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I preferred Eversolo. Thanks for this video and the other with A6 A6ME and A8. You put an amazing efgort into producing these. Your qualio speakers are also shown off to great effect. They sound wonderful!!
Just want to throw a quick thanks your way for taking the time to make these videos. So few of the “reviews” on UA-cam do anything more than tell you one person’s opinion. With these videos we get to draw our own conclusions, which is super cool.
I believe there is a big market out there for an affordable and quality music streamer transport with user friendly interface and great OS like the Ultra or Eversolo without DAC. Focus on clean power, noised filtered ethernet input and etc to make it a killer product.
Question is as transport alone for streamer? As you can see, your audience is focused on the streaming focus as many use an external DAC of their choice. Great channel but was surprised not to hear about this.
Yes, tired of all these reviews that are basically reviewing dac chips and their implementation. I'm starting to think that all reviewers a avoiding the subject because a Raspberry Pi with a mid tier DAC will trounce these all in one boxes.
@@tedtimmis8135 i have the wiim pro plus and the software on it is very good. the functionality of it is said to be better than the eversolo. although if you like the bigger touch screen then thats better on the eversolo. i dont think there's a difference in sound quality.
realistically they both sound very good the Wiim is incredible value for money and i don't think anyone will be disappointed if they buy one nothing can touch it in that price bracket. for me its the A8 for the main system even over the hifi rose but the wiim all day for the garage/outdoor deck space, i used to just stream bluetooth from my phone around there and it was quite annoying if i went out of range, the wiim solves that and is a big leap in quality from that setup.
This was a streamer DAC shootout, not a "Streamer" shootout. I would hope the DAC in the EverSolo sounded better, as it should. But, how about a streamer comparison? Sure, the Ultra is not a $1000 streamer, but for the money, as a streamer, it is going to be very hard to beat. Then the room correction, PEQ and EQ capabilities of the Wiim software, another major selling point. And yes I own one, along with a much better Volumio Rivo bridge streamer, using a Farad Super 3 LPS along with a Roon Nucleus One with the Sbooster LPS. And yes, it sounds better than the Ultra as a streamer. But not $2000 better.
they ultra and eversolo have the same DAC, just the eversolo has two of them.. i doubt it would make a discernible difference. i agree the software on the wiim is great. i have the wiim pro plus and it's great. although i use an external cambridge Audio DACMAGIC 200m
a dac shootout? what do you mean? how do you isolate the effect of a dac when there are two additional dacs you're hearing not even mentioned in the video; the one the microphones are plugged into, and the one you're using to listen to this video? lol
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In the U.S the Eversolo is about 2.5 times the price of the Wiim. I wish I could hear it from the same distance from the speakers as you. Perhaps I would then understand the benefit of $520 more. Part of the higher price is definitely for the additional connections. I listened to the demo three times and I when I thought I was hearing extra detail from the Eversolo and when it switched to the Wiim the differences didn't pan out. At one time I thought I was hearing a very thin veil lifted when switched to the Wiim but I am not sure. Thank you for comparison.
I listened to the video twice. Through my highly revealing system and through my friends $1,500 iem's and there was about a 2% (completely random number😮) difference between the Wiim and the Eversolo. I run my Ultra through a Nad M51 dac and it sounds incredible. I had a Lumin t1 and it just wasn't worth the price. As long as it can be used as a Roon endpoint, it's good for me😊
There would unlikely be any audible difference. The implementation of that DAC is why there is a sound difference not the bit perfect streaming that can both do. Unless of course there was a major flaw in the design.
16:26 I have my WiiM Ultra hooked up to the Marantz mm9000 and using the sub out on the ultra to run my Klipsch RSW-12 dual fire subwoofer. Marantz amp is running Klipsch rp-600m ii it's very good. And using the equalizer it will perform even better.
Great A and B comparison. Are you using an external DAC? The Eversolo sounds slightly better (over youtube). I just purchased the WiiM Ultra and am very happy with it. I would not spend the extra money on the Eversolo
Manufacturers should add ´streamers only´ to their range. Less parts but better quality and more digital outputs, no need for build in dacs, BT, screens (for me personal)...🙏
You asked for it, so I did it. $80 vs $8000 streamer with digital output only compared. very little difference in sound quality between them in $30000 system. I was extremely surprised.
@@dennisyi9038 I have no doubt but in fact this is not 100% my point. I´m saying it would be nice to have more ´streamers only´ with: sufficient digital outputs ( EBU + coax + optimale + usb + I2s) to match the most possible dacs, plug and play with a stable and easy to use app for IOS and Android, a nice form factor with metal housing (silver + black) finish, high quality power supply (smps or lps), price point between 500 and 1000$. This would thik many boxes but please name one 😅
@@pyntzer - I do with a RME ADI-2 and it's very good but I prefer optical glass toslink cable from a WiiM Pro which is better. When I don't use USB and play streaming the WiiM Pro is very good with some additions: external 5v power supply, optical fiber with Cisco boxes. Very nice results via Audirvana.
Another interesting test. Preferred the Eversolo but difference is not huge. Not sure if I could pick up on it doing a blind test. Wiim Ultra delivers tremendous value
In my mind the big advantage of Eversolo is native Apple Music with hi-res, no muss no fuss. If you use other services the WiiM is probably good enough. If you want better performance from the Wiim you can always go down the external DAC rabbit hole.
wiim renders voices in a more acceptable way and that is for me the ultimate decision because it's obsolete to have no matter how great unit if you can't listen your favourite vocal tracks because of excessive brightness
Listening with good headphones and there is most definitely a difference but it is slim for sure. I think the WiiM is fantastic value and sounds excellent, holds up VERY well against the A6 of which I would like to try on my system at home
@@RAMIRO61FERNANDES I have not even used the WiiM correction, this is likely because I am always in the near field with the size of my room. Yes I use the WiiM EQ, but I have not run the built in correction, might do that tomorrow 🎼🎼🔊🔊
I think the Eversolo enhances the low frequencies a bit, which is more suitable for me. I have a Wiim Pro Plus which has room correction and does the same thing but boosts the low frequencies too much. So I listen to music without any correction.
Hello, Thanks for this video 👍 Is there a difference between the two devices with an external dac ? Which one is better because I would like to use it as a pure streamer with my dac? Thanks in advance for your answer.
Nice test. The Wiim is at least halve the price and almost the same. Also has usb to use the clock from the dac. Now try the Wiim with a the Mojo 2 or the FX Glass tube dac or Hiby RS6 or Powerdac BX or even the Cyan 2 as more expensive dac 🤔
With decent headphones, i really can not tell any difference, wich is a compliment for both devices. The eversolo wins on looks for me, also due to the xlr connections.
Eversolo DMP A6 se escucha ligeramente mejor q el Wimm Ultra. Entiendo q el Wimm Ultra Usa un Solo DAC para salida estereo Mientras el Eversolo usa el Mismo DAC pero por Cada Canal
99.5% of “audiophile” sound comparisons on UA-cam are utter contrived nonsense. You cannot hear a real difference because there is no real difference to hear. Both of these devices test to meet the transparency standard for DACS and that means by definition you cannot hear any difference that is real. You simply imagine nonsense and then try to justify it with meaningless terms like “warm” and “detailed”.
The differences where so subtle between the two that I could hardly tell much difference they where subtle for me listening on youtube. Normaly I can tell A-B clearly on your channel. Maybe I will put on some headphones and listen again!
I havent and eversolo or Wiim streamer. Only a rose RB130 and I can’t hear any noticeable difference between booth DACs. Are the same dac inside this devices?? No matter what choice you do. Anyway always cheaper one! 😅
the fact that this guy literally lies to you and tells you that the eversolo actually has a wider soundstage than the wiim?? seriously? THESE UNITS HAVE NO EFFECT ON SOUNDSTAGE!! he's likely being paid by the company behind eversolo.
Most of audiophiles already got DAC as good as Eversolo A6 or better. How about USB digital out sound quality comparison as pure streamer? Is Eversolo A6 still 3 times better or about same?
For me USB output from Ultra was better than DMP-a6. As well from RCA output. I paired it with Fosi v3 mono as dac/preamp. App In ultra is more stable and user friendly. Ultra has an auto standby and auto on when we want to play from Tidal Connect. Eversolo a6 sounds more digital comparing to little bit warm Ultra. Of course dac in Eversolo is better with higher resolution and imaging but still a way worse than external Topping d70s Dac. If Ultra would cost the same as Ultra I would still pick the Wiim Ultra. For stable Application more ears friendly sound and better functionality for my expectations.
I have the eversolo, simply because it appealed more, used as a transport only the eversolo has better usb, the wiim has better coax and optical connection, As a device to use, the eversolo far better touch screen and display, ease of use everything is just easy to read and operate when using the machine itself . Both apps are good. For dac use there is advantage of balanced on eversolo, with arguably better pre amp use . The internal storage works great for ripping cd and is a breeze to use . For actual sound quality the eversolo edges the wiim .. At twice the price the choice is yours .
When you do sound comparisons try to do them without knowing 1. The brand 2. The price 3. What it looks like/feels like Do them completely blind and just listen and evaluate what you think about their sound. Then have someone reveal the products to you AFTER you've listened. Once you know price and brand etc it adds too much bias.
@@ronjetten6535 Yep, but I'm sure you'd know 1 other person. I know audiophiles are strange little people who live their lives in the sweet spot by themselves but surely they have 1 friend.
These comments of owners of either device are so tiring.... all subjective. And no guys a test of a streamer dac solely as a transport only makes no sense 🙄
Sonically they are nearly identical. The eversolo has a small bit more bass extension. The eversolo is less forward than the wiim. Both are pleasing to my ears and with the connectivity and updates schedule for Wiim that's where the eversolo just can't compete. Wiim room correction works wonderfully and the subwoofer recalibration is very good as well. Xlr connection are overrated if you don't have ground loop issues. Hard to beat the wiim at 329usd.
The Wiim output is thinner …the difference is there …better test both streamers outputting to one DAC ..truly assessing the streaming quality. I personally run a Wiim Pro into a Denafrips Ares 12-1 DAC ..and it’s pretty damn nice ..am I going to get BETTER sound using a different streamer (more expensive) …that’s the question. Have a great weekend.
Scrolling through these comments with these 2 playing, and into some pretty nice headphones, I heard absolutely no difference when they were switching back and forth.
Only thing ok about the Wiim is it’s a floating earth design so if you have earthing issues and sensitive speakers it will have a noise benefit. The Eversolo models output earth noise, that’s my only issue with them though I’m sticking with my 8 despite that because it’s pros out way that 1 con.
@@dannyb5874 I've had my hearing tested, and it's one of the best they tested, they said. There is no way I can hear any difference here. It's total audiophile BS, they make things up in their head and then believe in it!
I would normally agree with you but I did hear a difference on some tracks and it was the same difference. The eversolo seem to have more of a warmth...so slight in upper midrange while the Wiim seem more to be more airy and ever so slightly detailed in the upper frequencies. I would not even say one is better than the other either...just slightly different without engaging in the specifications of each brand. my .02
The sound quality is very similar, so the higher price of the Eversolo A6 is not justified over the Wiim Ultra. Always go for the cheaper option. Within 5 year time these products becomes worthless, like Sonos Connect a decade ago
Video is misleading. There is no the same functionality in case of wiim and eversolo. There is no lfe connection with bass management in eversolo, there is also no analog in, arc in, DDC, and Chromecast - all this is crucial. Wiim is much better in case of functionality. Regarding audio quality - if price difference would be spent for external, much better dac (both wiim and eversolo are using ESS Sigma type), also audio quality would be better in case of wiim within the same price.I personally changed eversolo for much better wiim.
@SvenfromKiel They ere the same type. Both are simple cheap Delta Sigmas, nothing more. And even in fact the same chip. Air play should be removed from all audio equipment and whole market due to non acceptable low quality. Chromecast is non comparable better and more useful. And in case of eversolo a lot more important is android os and native apple music integration. But even more - functions of both are not comparable. Ssd is not needed in case of usb port. Display is beautiful, but nothing more.
@@trekkis this is not correct! Each channel using a DAC is more information getting through. This is the reason the DMP sounds more detailed and more open. Apple Airplay is losless and not 100% Hifi but more option here for many apple user. 2nd point is the integrated m2ssd which is quicker access than on a connected usb device because of the bus system. Regarding the display you can see easily the difference here. The only point for the Wiim is the good price here and the more compact size.
@@SvenfromKiel1 As before, and once again, Its a lot less important how many chips there are, still they are delta sigma and sound like delta sigma (and two chips even are not the reason of difference - there is no such difference in case of Topping dacs with one or two chips version - in direct comparison). Even if would be 10 of them, sill would be DS. Nothing more. 2. Air play is not lossles, it's aac about 256kbit. Not usable in any way. Both eversolo and wiim are directly informing how bad airplay is. BT even has a lot better quality than air play. And even Apple user can and should use tidal or other connect option. It would be totally absurd even speak about dac quality, using only aac. If you want to use better dac, better source is required. Aac is not enough. 3. Time of access to storage do not have any meaning, especially when application itself, and os itself are slow. Android has its pros, but also has a cons - os is slower, standby is a lot worse, connection with connect services is not fully stable. Large library management is slow and bad. Wiim with light Linux is working much better, faster, with better standby, connection and even library management. 4. Again, reading with understanding. I changed eversolo for wiim, and wiim is totally incomparable better due to bass management (and this in fact directly raises sound to different level), arc, and possibility to use far better dac in the same price (fpga or r2r, or allow to invest more for tube preamp, amp, sub, speakers or acoustic adaptation) But even in case of using internal dac, is simply not possible to achieve the same level of sound quality without bass management. It tried with eversolo long time - not possible. There must be sub in chain, and there must be digital cross management (analog within sub itself is useless) with proper low and high filters. Other methods or lack of sub are not acceptable. Unless of course if such bass management with proper cross is present in different chain component, but this is rare and not so universal.
@@trekkis don‘t agree here. 2 channels having each a DAC sounds different and has more details. This is simple logic and physic. Depends of course on your ears to get this or prefer a more muffled soft sound.. 2) my mistake as I have written this and here I see the same: not losless (sorry, my mistake). By the way airplay is not an option for me…I actually prefer toslink and use .flac + wav directly. 3) time access and disk management for my .flacs in folders is an important point for me and many other oldschool user which don‘t use tidal etc. For example if you switch to spotify and back to disk…would Wiim remember the last played song or folder? 4) reading and understanding…look in the mirror and please try to avoid arrogance. I mentioned also the larger display and the possibility to implement a internal SSD! a: good for older eye and b: This is always quicker access than an external solution which runs through another controller. Nice points you ignored. The other point is the bass management and understanding about indiv. expectations to a device in a hifi aspect. If I need more bass I would change speaker or cables to get the sound I need or use an external dac or use the integrated equalizer. From the „good price point“ I am with you. 5) At the end I came to the point that both devices are not what I want because there are too many compromises for me…I will first buy an external DAC like the SMSL SU-1 with the AKM 4493SEQ which sounds „for me“ significantly better. I listened also to a „Wiim Pro Plus“ in a short session and I was also impressed…same DAC by the way ..
Thank you for the AB test. I am still trying to make a decision between buying one of these. What I heard is difficult to distinguish unless you’re hearing it live in that room. I love the A 6 for the sound, look, and screen ( which I think is redundant if one has an iPad ) My pocket says WIIM ultra but my heart says A6 😢😢😢😢
I use the eversolo in my main system, as a transport . Looks great and works without flaws, wish it had sub out .. Wiim bought for second system great sub out, screen why bother it's awful quality, constant glitches some updates worked some did not, in the end sent back . Overall in sound the eversolo just had my vote, so no twice the price on sound wiim wins . Usability and for my requirements Eversolo wins ..
Smsl AO200 and HO200 ,wiim pro and SU-1 dac....now were talking great sound..Smsl su-1 dac is only $120 (Can) with akm chip..cant beat it for the price
I have the Ultra, still deciding…Anyone have hesitation or interruption, streaming Tidal? TV and Radio Paradise are not affected. Disabled Google dns per WiiM but still happening. Mostly pleased otherwise but thinking about the dnp8.
Hi, I had a similar issue with Bluesound Node. The issue was too weak wifi signal. are you using lan cable or wifi? if wifi buys even a cheap lan cable and checks if it drops connection
I may have to agree Just got the Wiim Ultra today, I use it to replace my Sonos who really screwed up their apps lately. Very happy that the Wiim can play dsd, however, instantly, I noticed it does not sound as good as the 8 yrs old sonos. It's a little disappointing, not sure if it's the "break in" problem or what, I'll let it run for a few days to see They are both connected to the same ext. dac then to an integrated amp Anyone feels the same?
Hi!! , so any change in sound quality after let it run with the Ultra ? I just order the Ultra 2 days ago, still waiting and the same as you replacing a Sonos1 connect. I will connect it to a NAD 356bee integranted amplifier.
Thanks for the audio review…helped me a lot. The evernote must be also better from the specs, because it uses for each channel the sabre dac. Wiim uses one sabre for both and has also less options..(no ssd integration, smaller display, no airplay). This is the 400€ difference maybe ;)
io in tutta sincerità non ho percepito nessuna differenza. Nel caso Avesse un leggerissimo miglioramento ( dell'eversolo, non sarebbe mai da costare 3 volite tanto..
If I need a streamer for transport because I have an external DAC (Chord Qutest), so I assume the Wiim will be enough, correct? The main difference between those two is the internal DAC (Eversolo has two) and the software which I guess helps reach the higher sound quality.
Main difference is that eversolo does not have ddc, so it is worthless for external dacs. Wiim far batter. And wiim has uncomparably better software and connections.
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Pretty impressed how so many people can pick up these fine and subtle differences thru the dac in there computer. Respect,
I preferred Eversolo. Thanks for this video and the other with A6 A6ME and A8. You put an amazing efgort into producing these. Your qualio speakers are also shown off to great effect. They sound wonderful!!
Just want to throw a quick thanks your way for taking the time to make these videos. So few of the “reviews” on UA-cam do anything more than tell you one person’s opinion. With these videos we get to draw our own conclusions, which is super cool.
I have the WiiM ultra and it sounds great, I love the EQ function.
I believe there is a big market out there for an affordable and quality music streamer transport with user friendly interface and great OS like the Ultra or Eversolo without DAC. Focus on clean power, noised filtered ethernet input and etc to make it a killer product.
Oh, god yes!!! Drives me crazy that have to pay of integrated DAC/output that I'll never use. Waste of resources.
Can’t tell the difference, I like the wiim having a subwoofer output with bass management and room EQ 👍
The soundstage on those speakers is phanominal!
The Wiim might be just slightly veiled, but I don’t really hear $5 worth of difference.
What i hear from this..Wiim is better for very,very,little !Great job for Wiim company !!!❤
Question is as transport alone for streamer? As you can see, your audience is focused on the streaming focus as many use an external DAC of their choice. Great channel but was surprised not to hear about this.
Yes, tired of all these reviews that are basically reviewing dac chips and their implementation. I'm starting to think that all reviewers a avoiding the subject because a Raspberry Pi with a mid tier DAC will trounce these all in one boxes.
I have both. They sound the same.
Which do you prefer for functionality?
They sound 99.9% the same on these samples
@@tedtimmis8135 i have the wiim pro plus and the software on it is very good. the functionality of it is said to be better than the eversolo. although if you like the bigger touch screen then thats better on the eversolo. i dont think there's a difference in sound quality.
sounds the same here too.
@@mainlymusicman Which do you prefer for functionality?
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The recording is beautiful🎉
realistically they both sound very good the Wiim is incredible value for money and i don't think anyone will be disappointed if they buy one nothing can touch it in that price bracket. for me its the A8 for the main system even over the hifi rose but the wiim all day for the garage/outdoor deck space, i used to just stream bluetooth from my phone around there and it was quite annoying if i went out of range, the wiim solves that and is a big leap in quality from that setup.
The Wiim has a more relaxed presentation with less presence, some will prefer that. Great review 👌
This was a streamer DAC shootout, not a "Streamer" shootout. I would hope the DAC in the EverSolo sounded better, as it should. But, how about a streamer comparison? Sure, the Ultra is not a $1000 streamer, but for the money, as a streamer, it is going to be very hard to beat. Then the room correction, PEQ and EQ capabilities of the Wiim software, another major selling point. And yes I own one, along with a much better Volumio Rivo bridge streamer, using a Farad Super 3 LPS along with a Roon Nucleus One with the Sbooster LPS. And yes, it sounds better than the Ultra as a streamer. But not $2000 better.
Exactly . The reviewer missed the entire point
@@alexkane84 Agreed!!!
@@socratesliriano9852 To me, it is sounds 2000 dollars better than the Wiim Ultra./
they ultra and eversolo have the same DAC, just the eversolo has two of them.. i doubt it would make a discernible difference. i agree the software on the wiim is great. i have the wiim pro plus and it's great. although i use an external cambridge Audio DACMAGIC 200m
a dac shootout?
what do you mean?
how do you isolate the effect of a dac when there are two additional dacs you're hearing not even mentioned in the video; the one the microphones are plugged into, and the one you're using to listen to this video?
lol
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In the U.S the Eversolo is about 2.5 times the price of the Wiim. I wish I could hear it from the same distance from the speakers as you. Perhaps I would then understand the benefit of $520 more. Part of the higher price is definitely for the additional connections. I listened to the demo three times and I when I thought I was hearing extra detail from the Eversolo and when it switched to the Wiim the differences didn't pan out. At one time I thought I was hearing a very thin veil lifted when switched to the Wiim but I am not sure. Thank you for comparison.
The Wiim is quite good overall. just slightly softer on the leading edge. While the Eversolo is more solid presenting the instruments.
stop it. there's zero audible difference.
@@mainlymusicman 😂😂😂 That'll depends what you listening through of course...
The difference is as obvious as it is predictable. It would be more interesting to use the same external DAC on both.
in which parts is obvious ??
The difference is hardly noticable. For this price gap the Eversolo should sound way better.
I listened to the video twice. Through my highly revealing system and through my friends $1,500 iem's and there was about a 2% (completely random number😮) difference between the Wiim and the Eversolo. I run my Ultra through a Nad M51 dac and it sounds incredible. I had a Lumin t1 and it just wasn't worth the price. As long as it can be used as a Roon endpoint, it's good for me😊
There would unlikely be any audible difference. The implementation of that DAC is why there is a sound difference not the bit perfect streaming that can both do. Unless of course there was a major flaw in the design.
@@joecharpentier6636great comment, the differences can often be overplayed.
16:26 I have my WiiM Ultra hooked up to the Marantz mm9000 and using the sub out on the ultra to run my Klipsch RSW-12 dual fire subwoofer. Marantz amp is running Klipsch rp-600m ii it's very good. And using the equalizer it will perform even better.
Great A and B comparison. Are you using an external DAC? The Eversolo sounds slightly better (over youtube). I just purchased the WiiM Ultra and am very happy with it. I would not spend the extra money on the Eversolo
lol there's no difference here in sound.
Manufacturers should add ´streamers only´ to their range. Less parts but better quality and more digital outputs, no need for build in dacs, BT, screens (for me personal)...🙏
You asked for it, so I did it. $80 vs $8000 streamer with digital output only compared. very little difference in sound quality between them in $30000 system. I was extremely surprised.
@@dennisyi9038 I have no doubt but in fact this is not 100% my point. I´m saying it would be nice to have more ´streamers only´ with: sufficient digital outputs ( EBU + coax + optimale + usb + I2s) to match the most possible dacs, plug and play with a stable and easy to use app for IOS and Android, a nice form factor with metal housing (silver + black) finish, high quality power supply (smps or lps), price point between 500 and 1000$.
This would thik many boxes but please name one 😅
what do you think about using wiim pro and coax out?
@@pyntzer - I do with a RME ADI-2 and it's very good but I prefer optical glass toslink cable from a WiiM Pro which is better.
When I don't use USB and play streaming the WiiM Pro is very good with some additions: external 5v power supply, optical fiber with Cisco boxes. Very nice results via Audirvana.
I agree wholeheartedly!!! 🙌
Another interesting test. Preferred the Eversolo but difference is not huge. Not sure if I could pick up on it doing a blind test. Wiim Ultra delivers tremendous value
Great review. Thanks for sharing.
In my mind the big advantage of Eversolo is native Apple Music with hi-res, no muss no fuss. If you use other services the WiiM is probably good enough. If you want better performance from the Wiim you can always go down the external DAC rabbit hole.
This is the review I’ve been looking for, thank you! And I agree, I definitely prefer the sound of the A6 in these samples.
Good video ! Have you also compared these streamers with an external DAC?
wiim renders voices in a more acceptable way and that is for me the ultimate decision because it's obsolete to have no matter how great unit if you can't listen your favourite vocal tracks because of excessive brightness
Listening with good headphones and there is most definitely a difference but it is slim for sure.
I think the WiiM is fantastic value and sounds excellent, holds up VERY well against the A6 of which I would like to try on my system at home
Thank you for the AB comparison. From this recording it sounds the same. I'm not sure how much different they are in person.
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I am team WiiM and at $329.00 US in my 10'x10' room thru Fosi V3Monos into Klipsch 600m ii (used at $150.00) is sublime. Currently without a sub.
Not dissing the Wiim (own a pro plus) but have found that the SMSL DO 100 pro elevates it a couple of notches YMMV
What filter Dac you use?
Do you use equalization or room correction?
@@RAMIRO61FERNANDES I have not even used the WiiM correction, this is likely because I am always in the near field with the size of my room. Yes I use the WiiM EQ, but I have not run the built in correction, might do that tomorrow 🎼🎼🔊🔊
Good demonstration
Very good job again! Keep do it. BR
I think the Eversolo enhances the low frequencies a bit, which is more suitable for me. I have a Wiim Pro Plus which has room correction and does the same thing but boosts the low frequencies too much. So I listen to music without any correction.
I'm using the Ultra as a streamer only, USB out to SU-6 DDC then to Weiss 205 DAC. Sounds great for the money until I can upgrade.
Hello,
Thanks for this video 👍
Is there a difference between the two devices with an external dac ?
Which one is better because I would like to use it as a pure streamer with my dac?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
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On Wiin Ultra there is 6 Dac filters. What filter do you use? Equalization?
Now the Eversolo Dmp A8 makes quite a discernable difference 😮😊
Nice test. The Wiim is at least halve the price and almost the same. Also has usb to use the clock from the dac. Now try the Wiim with a the Mojo 2 or the FX Glass tube dac or Hiby RS6 or Powerdac BX or even the Cyan 2 as more expensive dac 🤔
With decent headphones, i really can not tell any difference, wich is a compliment for both devices. The eversolo wins on looks for me, also due to the xlr connections.
Do you know if the Wiim sounds better than the Bluesound Node 130N? I can't decide between the two. Thank you in advance🙏🏼🎼🎵🎶
Eversolo DMP A6 se escucha ligeramente mejor q el Wimm Ultra. Entiendo q el Wimm Ultra Usa un Solo DAC para salida estereo Mientras el Eversolo usa el Mismo DAC pero por Cada Canal
For me the WiiM wins . Thx for this really helped me decide. ❤
99.5% of “audiophile” sound comparisons on UA-cam are utter contrived nonsense.
You cannot hear a real difference because there is no real difference to hear.
Both of these devices test to meet the transparency standard for DACS and that means by definition you cannot hear any difference that is real.
You simply imagine nonsense and then try to justify it with meaningless terms like “warm” and “detailed”.
False.
The differences where so subtle between the two that I could hardly tell much difference they where subtle for me listening on youtube. Normaly I can tell A-B clearly on your channel. Maybe I will put on some headphones and listen again!
I havent and eversolo or Wiim streamer. Only a rose RB130 and I can’t hear any noticeable difference between booth DACs. Are the same dac inside this devices?? No matter what choice you do. Anyway always cheaper one! 😅
How is this being recorded?
It's impossibile to ear difference between sources on youtube.
Wiim ultra is a great value for price/quality.
If there is a minimal difference it may depend on the DAC, if you use a quality external DAC I think the differences do not exist.
How about the transport only??
hell no for 3x the price for 0.05% better
En mi opinión el A6 suena más que ese porcentaje que comentas. Sobre todo en la zona baja, la zona baja es más limpia.
To me the Ultra seemed to hit the notes well.Better pitch
I wonder why Wiim Ultra music streamer has not supported Airplay 2 connectivity for the best sound quality through wifi
Air play2 is the worst possible sound quality.
Loving my Wiim Ultra connected to my old Technics hifi amp I don't hear any difference on this test btw
the fact that this guy literally lies to you and tells you that the eversolo actually has a wider soundstage than the wiim?? seriously?
THESE UNITS HAVE NO EFFECT ON SOUNDSTAGE!!
he's likely being paid by the company behind eversolo.
Most of audiophiles already got DAC as good as Eversolo A6 or better. How about USB digital out sound quality comparison as pure streamer? Is Eversolo A6 still 3 times better or about same?
For me USB output from Ultra was better than DMP-a6. As well from RCA output. I paired it with Fosi v3 mono as dac/preamp. App In ultra is more stable and user friendly. Ultra has an auto standby and auto on when we want to play from Tidal Connect. Eversolo a6 sounds more digital comparing to little bit warm Ultra. Of course dac in Eversolo is better with higher resolution and imaging but still a way worse than external Topping d70s
Dac. If Ultra would cost the same as Ultra I would still pick the Wiim Ultra. For stable Application more ears friendly sound and better functionality for my expectations.
I have the eversolo, simply because it appealed more, used as a transport only the eversolo has better usb, the wiim has better coax and optical connection, As a device to use, the eversolo far better touch screen and display, ease of use everything is just easy to read and operate when using the machine itself . Both apps are good. For dac use there is advantage of balanced on eversolo, with arguably better pre amp use . The internal storage works great for ripping cd and is a breeze to use . For actual sound quality the eversolo edges the wiim .. At twice the price the choice is yours .
I really want to try a dmp-A6 and put it up against ifi Zen One signature, which I believe has a DAC that is way above its price point.
16:22 that's why I suscribed, I just want to learn, can't differenciate your demos with my eversolo + k7 + Arya Stealth tho, maybe eventually!
When you do sound comparisons try to do them without knowing
1. The brand
2. The price
3. What it looks like/feels like
Do them completely blind and just listen and evaluate what you think about their sound.
Then have someone reveal the products to you AFTER you've listened.
Once you know price and brand etc it adds too much bias.
Kinda tough when you’re a solo reviewer, isn’t it?
@@ronjetten6535
Yep, but I'm sure you'd know 1 other person.
I know audiophiles are strange little people who live their lives in the sweet spot by themselves but surely they have 1 friend.
These comments of owners of either device are so tiring.... all subjective. And no guys a test of a streamer dac solely as a transport only makes no sense 🙄
Sonically they are nearly identical. The eversolo has a small bit more bass extension. The eversolo is less forward than the wiim. Both are pleasing to my ears and with the connectivity and updates schedule for Wiim that's where the eversolo just can't compete. Wiim room correction works wonderfully and the subwoofer recalibration is very good as well. Xlr connection are overrated if you don't have ground loop issues. Hard to beat the wiim at 329usd.
I think the Eversolo sounds better but I have the WiiM ultra and use the DAC in my pre amp instead. sounds better that way
First audio based UA-cam video I've actually heard a difference. Through my studio monitors everything seems to have more air and depth on the A6.
I wish they come out with a pure streamer with storage hd port, cool screen, dab radio and usb for cd player. I2s would be also accepted 😅
I would love to see a test with the Topping B200 to see/hear a comparison with the Fosi's you use
The Wiim output is thinner …the difference is there …better test both streamers outputting to one DAC ..truly assessing the streaming quality.
I personally run a Wiim Pro into a Denafrips Ares 12-1 DAC ..and it’s pretty damn nice ..am I going to get BETTER sound using a different streamer (more expensive) …that’s the question.
Have a great weekend.
When using USB connection to the DAC I doubt it…
Napisy po arabsku to są ale po polsku to już nie łaska..Do żici z wami.
szczególnie że to rodak
Test it with a 500€ DAC 😊
Anyone earing any differences in any track is having hallucinations...
If there were no labels on which one is being used, they won't be able to tell which one is better.
Scrolling through these comments with these 2 playing, and into some pretty nice headphones, I heard absolutely no difference when they were switching back and forth.
Would somebody please do a comparison how these sound as a transport into a good dac. nobody is using built in dacs
Only thing ok about the Wiim is it’s a floating earth design so if you have earthing issues and sensitive speakers it will have a noise benefit. The Eversolo models output earth noise, that’s my only issue with them though I’m sticking with my 8 despite that because it’s pros out way that 1 con.
They sound identical! There's no one that could tell those apart in a blind test.
I can't hear a freaking difference :) people must have bats ears :D
@@dannyb5874 I've had my hearing tested, and it's one of the best they tested, they said. There is no way I can hear any difference here. It's total audiophile BS, they make things up in their head and then believe in it!
@@dannyb5874 there's no way people could reliably tell those apart, uninformed to them.
@@dannyb5874I absolutely agree from what I heard too
I would normally agree with you but I did hear a difference on some tracks and it was the same difference. The eversolo seem to have more of a warmth...so slight in upper midrange while the Wiim seem more to be more airy and ever so slightly detailed in the upper frequencies. I would not even say one is better than the other either...just slightly different without engaging in the specifications of each brand. my .02
The sound quality is very similar, so the higher price of the Eversolo A6 is not justified over the Wiim Ultra. Always go for the cheaper option. Within 5 year time these products becomes worthless, like Sonos Connect a decade ago
Buy the Wiim Ultra and spend your money on the best Dac you can afford.
I’m very curious how they compare just as streamers
Video is misleading. There is no the same functionality in case of wiim and eversolo. There is no lfe connection with bass management in eversolo, there is also no analog in, arc in, DDC, and Chromecast - all this is crucial. Wiim is much better in case of functionality. Regarding audio quality - if price difference would be spent for external, much better dac (both wiim and eversolo are using ESS Sigma type), also audio quality would be better in case of wiim within the same price.I personally changed eversolo for much better wiim.
Not the same..Wiim uses the sabre dac for both Channel…Evernote one for each channel…with also bigger display and ssd integration, airplay.
@SvenfromKiel They ere the same type. Both are simple cheap Delta Sigmas, nothing more. And even in fact the same chip. Air play should be removed from all audio equipment and whole market due to non acceptable low quality. Chromecast is non comparable better and more useful. And in case of eversolo a lot more important is android os and native apple music integration. But even more - functions of both are not comparable.
Ssd is not needed in case of usb port. Display is beautiful, but nothing more.
@@trekkis this is not correct! Each channel using a DAC is more information getting through. This is the reason the DMP sounds more detailed and more open. Apple Airplay is losless and not 100% Hifi but more option here for many apple user. 2nd point is the integrated m2ssd which is quicker access than on a connected usb device because of the bus system. Regarding the display you can see easily the difference here. The only point for the Wiim is the good price here and the more compact size.
@@SvenfromKiel1 As before, and once again, Its a lot less important how many chips there are, still they are delta sigma and sound like delta sigma (and two chips even are not the reason of difference - there is no such difference in case of Topping dacs with one or two chips version - in direct comparison). Even if would be 10 of them, sill would be DS. Nothing more.
2. Air play is not lossles, it's aac about 256kbit. Not usable in any way. Both eversolo and wiim are directly informing how bad airplay is. BT even has a lot better quality than air play. And even Apple user can and should use tidal or other connect option. It would be totally absurd even speak about dac quality, using only aac. If you want to use better dac, better source is required. Aac is not enough.
3. Time of access to storage do not have any meaning, especially when application itself, and os itself are slow. Android has its pros, but also has a cons - os is slower, standby is a lot worse, connection with connect services is not fully stable. Large library management is slow and bad. Wiim with light Linux is working much better, faster, with better standby, connection and even library management.
4. Again, reading with understanding. I changed eversolo for wiim, and wiim is totally incomparable better due to bass management (and this in fact directly raises sound to different level), arc, and possibility to use far better dac in the same price (fpga or r2r, or allow to invest more for tube preamp, amp, sub, speakers or acoustic adaptation) But even in case of using internal dac, is simply not possible to achieve the same level of sound quality without bass management. It tried with eversolo long time - not possible. There must be sub in chain, and there must be digital cross management (analog within sub itself is useless) with proper low and high filters. Other methods or lack of sub are not acceptable. Unless of course if such bass management with proper cross is present in different chain component, but this is rare and not so universal.
@@trekkis don‘t agree here. 2 channels having each a DAC sounds different and has more details. This is simple logic and physic. Depends of course on your ears to get this or prefer a more muffled soft sound..
2) my mistake as I have written this and here I see the same: not losless (sorry, my mistake). By the way airplay is not an option for me…I actually prefer toslink and use .flac + wav directly.
3) time access and disk management for my .flacs in folders is an important point for me and many other oldschool user which don‘t use tidal etc. For example if you switch to spotify and back to disk…would Wiim remember the last played song or folder?
4) reading and understanding…look in the mirror and please try to avoid arrogance. I mentioned also the larger display and the possibility to implement a internal SSD! a: good for older eye and b: This is always quicker access than an external solution which runs through another controller. Nice points you ignored. The other point is the bass management and understanding about indiv. expectations to a device in a hifi aspect. If I need more bass I would change speaker or cables to get the sound I need or use an external dac or use the integrated equalizer. From the „good price point“ I am with you.
5) At the end I came to the point that both devices are not what I want because there are too many compromises for me…I will first buy an external DAC like the SMSL SU-1 with the AKM 4493SEQ which sounds „for me“ significantly better. I listened also to a „Wiim Pro Plus“ in a short session and I was also impressed…same DAC by the way ..
Thank you for the AB test. I am still trying to make a decision between buying one of these.
What I heard is difficult to distinguish unless you’re hearing it live in that room.
I love the A 6 for the sound, look, and screen ( which I think is redundant if one has an iPad )
My pocket says WIIM ultra but my heart says A6
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You need the A6.....or you need to wait.
I use the eversolo in my main system, as a transport . Looks great and works without flaws, wish it had sub out ..
Wiim bought for second system great sub out, screen why bother it's awful quality, constant glitches some updates worked some did not, in the end sent back .
Overall in sound the eversolo just had my vote, so no twice the price on sound wiim wins . Usability and for my requirements Eversolo wins ..
The Wiim has more presence, slightly more high-mid range
Smsl AO200 and HO200 ,wiim pro and SU-1 dac....now were talking great sound..Smsl su-1 dac is only $120 (Can) with akm chip..cant beat it for the price
Good test. Thank you. I'll buy an Eversolo DMP-A8 or Gustard X30.
I have the Ultra, still deciding…Anyone have hesitation or interruption, streaming Tidal? TV and Radio Paradise are not affected. Disabled Google dns per WiiM but still happening. Mostly pleased otherwise but thinking about the dnp8.
Hi, I had a similar issue with Bluesound Node. The issue was too weak wifi signal. are you using lan cable or wifi?
if wifi buys even a cheap lan cable and checks if it drops connection
Οf you want to hear if there is any difference simply do not look the video only the sound .!!!!!! And take the results
I may have to agree
Just got the Wiim Ultra today, I use it to replace my Sonos who really screwed up their apps lately.
Very happy that the Wiim can play dsd, however, instantly, I noticed it does not sound as good as the 8 yrs old sonos.
It's a little disappointing, not sure if it's the "break in" problem or what, I'll let it run for a few days to see
They are both connected to the same ext. dac then to an integrated amp
Anyone feels the same?
Hi!! , so any change in sound quality after let it run with the Ultra ?
I just order the Ultra 2 days ago, still waiting and the same as you replacing a Sonos1 connect.
I will connect it to a NAD 356bee integranted amplifier.
Thanks for the audio review…helped me a lot. The evernote must be also better from the specs, because it uses for each channel the sabre dac. Wiim uses one sabre for both and has also less options..(no ssd integration, smaller display, no airplay). This is the 400€ difference maybe ;)
The DMP a6 is more like twice the price of the wiim ultra. You must have gotten the master edition.
The Wiim has a thinner sound and backdrop, than the Ever. Neither one compares to the Rose RS150B.
Eversolo a little wider sound stage, but not much, not worth 3 times the price.
Listening on my Dac, amp and loudspeakers (home made).
Bass response is way better with the ever solo. Better midrange as well. The wiim is a bit shallow but still a great bargain.
That's what I hear too, through studio monitors.
lol. are you serious , there's no way you can hear an audible difference. they're identical.
@@zamdrang you dont.
io in tutta sincerità non ho percepito nessuna differenza. Nel caso Avesse un leggerissimo miglioramento ( dell'eversolo, non sarebbe mai da costare 3 volite tanto..
Eversolo A6
If I need a streamer for transport because I have an external DAC (Chord Qutest), so I assume the Wiim will be enough, correct? The main difference between those two is the internal DAC (Eversolo has two) and the software which I guess helps reach the higher sound quality.
Main difference is that eversolo does not have ddc, so it is worthless for external dacs. Wiim far batter. And wiim has uncomparably better software and connections.
Świetny angielski akcent!
I couldn't tell the difference.
Learn how to use it. Has options to get better sound
Wiim has no airplay and no usb in for computers