@@ryanhamstra49 Garak: "It's insidious!" Quark: "Just like the Federat--I mean, just like Apple." (MA is at least in part responsible for me owning ~6 Apple products now)
AFAIK there is no evidence to suggest that after retrobriting plastic yellows any faster. It may continue to yellow at the same rate as before, and the sunlight or heat that caused the yellowing can make the plastic brittle, but it I've found no evidence that it speeds up at all. I'd love to see a study on this in more depth, but sadly I've not found any. Thanks for doing something retro Mac Address team ♥️
@@BEdmonson85 people's experiences of retrobriting varies. I've done an Amiga 600 that went yellow again within a year. Others have done theirs and it's stayed white. Nobody really knows why!
A lot of the issue is just different variables... the kind of plastic, the age of the plastic, the environment it sits in afterwards and then you get comments based on multiple people's different experiences and you get a game of telephone.
Same. My Amiga 1200 was retrobrited maybe 4 years ago and looks exactly the same right now. I have a Amiga 500 that was also done around the same time and has a little bit of new yellowing. Every Mac I've done is fine. Some plastics will continue to yellow, yes, but it's not the doom and gloom grenade Tanner lobbed (and then left. LOL).
Dream collab is 8-Bit Guy and Techmoan. It's technically already happened, but I want to see one where Techmoan attempts to break into 8-Bit Guy's house like that one meme video
I actually think this is my favorite LMG channel, the slow-paced editing, relaxed host and great takes on tech-focused content make it for me. Perhaps this is a hot take, but I don't mind we don't get uploads very frequently, the ones we get are plenty good and feel... hard to put it into words, but from the very first one they all feel like they are from the same "family", as if the style was already in place from the get-go
@UnjustifiedRecs LTT tends to be going for the widest tech-enthusuast audience, SC/MA/TL tend to be for more dedicated fans of the content, and TQ goes after search results. Often LTT starts with the high energy to draw people in, but mellows out after the first sponsor spot, especially on reviews and "let's take a look at this cool thing" videos (the former being fully scripted, the latter being less scripted than the average video)
This is actually not the first time The 8-Bit guy has been in a video from LMG. The first time was when Linus was trying to run two gtx 1080 shaped usb drives in raid. The only way he could do so was by using a MAC.
I have 4 of those. Unlike other bags, these hold up pretty well. The only one that's in bad shape is the oldest one I got with my 128k, the ring around the top is starting to fall apart
Something that wasn't mentioned is that you need to be careful with CRT based monitors when working around them. They retain charge after the computer is switched off. My first job was as a Mac engineer and we used to have to discharge the screens before working on them. Also, the tiny hole to the right hand side of the floppy disk drive is a disk release. If you find a long pin and push it into the hole far enough it will release the disk. But there defo should be a warning about the CRT thing. Also they are vacuum tubes, if you break of the nipple on the end they can implode. rare to happen. But still worth being careful.
Happy to see the Mac up and running again! 👍 I've fixed dozens of similarly aged Apples, it's nice to see this one was able to be saved for future generations to come. Especially when the case is in pretty good shape. Just a small note, the image on the CRT is stretched quite a bit outside of the factory settings. There should be a solid thick border around the image on the display. That's why the image in the corners is cut off behind the plastic. Books like "Dead Mac Scrolls" give you measurements to help resolve this.
my grandma worked at apple in the 80s and i remember in like 2014 going to her storage garage and she has like 100 of them stacked floor to ceiling in there, god i wish i knew what she did with them, and that she was still alive lol. miss u grandma
I loved this style of video. The editing and directing style seemed like I was watching an NPR show on "How you over came your fear of fixing a childhood memory". And it's great seeing David being able to help, too!
Maybe add a warning about discharging the CRT to avoid shocks? Also the initial basic steps: check and replace the battery, check if the capacitors have leaked?
Watching you resting the front of the Mac directly onto a hard worktop was the first wince. The screen protrudes proud of the frame and you can see the Mac rocking a little as all the weight is placed on the cathode ray tube. You should have placed a thick towel or soft pad underneath the screen to spread the weight around and reduce pressure on the tube.
Its crazy how fast we move as a society that this feels like ancient alien tecnology that we have to translate from, and this actually was top notch tech to my parents. CRAZY
Honestly, looking at the final result, the keyboard didn't need retrobrighting at all, especially if its at risk of making it worse over time - take it from someone who is OCD about color and cleaning electronics. Awesome collab, two of my favorite channels together for the best time!
That's not the original MacIntosh! The original only had 128K of memory. At 0:25 you can see it's got 512K of memory making it a "Fat Mac". I think I still have the tools to open the case - a super long allen key and a spring loaded seam spreader. Let me know if you want to add them to your collection. (I live a few blocks from your studio)
I noticed the same error. I don't watch LMG content for accuracy though, they fail at that, especially when going with systems that are probably older than most of their staff. Linus Sebastian wasn't born until 1986. Alas, they seem to be ageists, so they're not exactly bringing on elders in their field to fact check them, at all.
I have a nice collection of Compact Macs myself, some I've even owned since the 90s. I do have a Mac 512k, a color classic with a LC520 board, and an original 128k manufactured in August 1984 if I remember right. Unfortunately, it has a sad Mac which seems to be from a bad RAM chip. Due to the soldered in chips, its a bit hard to troubleshoot. I might be able to try piggybacking chips until it shows a disk icon, and then replace that chip, but not 100% sure if that would actually work.
It's not allen, it's TORX. Those long-handled torx drivers were very hard to get (deliberately) and highly prized. The case spreaders were needed the first few times you opened a (production) case. Pre-production units didn't have as good an internal case coating and weren't assembled using a press! I was one of the folks that visited pre-announcement Macintosh developers to upgrade EPROMs, and carried one of these torx drivers with me.
@@mattcintosh2 A number of companies made 512k boards by "acquiring" and upgrading 128k boards. Easiest way was to cut out the old chips and use a vacuum assist solder sucker to remove the pins.
@@artiem5262 my first Mac torx driver was custom made in metal shop in 1998ish. We took a cheap flat head screwdriver, cut the tip off and brazed one of those 1 inch bits to the end. I still have it, but now also have 2 or 3 official Mac drivers with the flat side on the other.
What fun! I have an old PowerBook 520 "Blackbird" that my wife found on eBay. It needed some repair so she found another one for parts. It's the model we always wanted because the design was so groundbreaking at the time and it could hold TWO batteries for extended time away from a plug. It was also the very first laptop with a trackpad! I got it to play with the Macintosh Programmer's Workshop to learn C++. This is not the color version of this laptop, that would be the 540. I just needed it for text so color wasn't so important. It kinda harkens back to the original Macintosh, except this one has 16 shades of gray instead of the simple binary black and white of the original screen. I haven't done anything with it for more than 12 years, but you've encouraged me to get it out and see what I need to get it running again. Thanks! I really enjoyed this one!
I was in the engineering part of Bandley 3 (The Apple building that held the Macintosh team) on the day a contingent from Sony Japan delivered the first of these disk drives. It was presented, with formality, to Steve Jobs and George Crow (Hardware lead), who received it with much gratitude. It was presented in a beautiful wooden box. George and Sony really bailed out the Macintosh with this drive!
As a hobbyist, I've serviced and upgraded plenty of vintage Macs over the years. There have been some casualties, of course, but I now have several beloved vintage Macs that run as well or better than when they were new. I upgraded my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro with 64 GB of RAM and a 2 TB NVMe drive. I upgraded basically every major part of my 2010 cheesegrater Mac Pro: the CPU (a 3.46 GHz six-core), GPU (an RX 580), RAM (48 GB) and storage (1 TB NVMe in a glowing PCIe adapter), and I installed a Blu-Ray drive, a USB-C card and a FireWire 400 card. My mid-2012 MacBook Pros both have SSDs and 16 GB of RAM. My Pismo PowerBook G3 from 2000 has a 120 GB mSATA SSD, 1 GB of RAM, a USB 2.0 card and a slot-loading optical drive. I fully restored my early 2008 MacBook Pro with parts from other first-gen MacBook Pros.
I love the editing... I can't imagine how difficult this was especially since it's not your typical collab wherein the youtuber visits the LMG studios, and instead has to give all the instructions via video call...
I love retrobriting but Tanner is right. Once you start you're going to be taking it apart every couple of years to redo because it will also speed up the yellowing process
Love to see some retro Mac adventures on this channel, and I hope you all get to do more stuff like this down the line. Linus shouldn’t get to have all the fun with an Apple Newton. As always, your style of videos is top notch
Random tip: You can "convert" HD floppies to DD floppies by simply taping up the extra hole opposite the write protect hole. They're perfectly compatible, the extra hole just signifies to the drive that it's HD.
Would love seeing these kind of collabs whenever they look at retro/obscure systems on the main LTT channel. People like LGR, MVG and so on would serve as a nice source of insight for the broader LMG public.
"Shufflepuck Café" was my favorite game to play on these older machines. Biff Raunch was a bastard but his laugh and growl made me lol nearly everytime. Man I loved that game.
I still have my original Apple Iic that I coincidentally restored following Dave's video -on the same model- down to the retro-brightening and all. It's proudly displayed with my newer Macs AND IT STILL WORKS!
"Hey, Moms Demand Action? Look! I'm out shopping with my rifle. You know, I get a perverse pleasure out of this because it makes steam come out of Shannon Watt's ears. See y'all later!"
I get this and it's why I don't watch him, I hope he has learned but I can't get over him justifying the murder of children. Till he apologizes publicly I can't support him.
"Perverse pleasure" is what gets me about this quote of his. I used to really enjoy David's content, then I realized how just out of touch he is with reality and the world. A rare miss for MA.
The first time I worked on an Apple computer was in 1990 when I learned "Advanced" Desktop Publishing at a printing school. Fortunately, I did not have to take the Typewriting course, because I had the typewriting skill under my belt. I used Microsoft Word while the rest of my classmates were using Adobe Illustrator, even Adobe Pagemaker. I used that desktop publishing program myself. It complemented the Microsoft Word documents, too. I like your workshop and your operations alike. I relish watching people use the microcomputer. Today, I am using a Microsoft Windows-based Dell Windows-based keyboard. I enjoy typing on it, and I do not need the speed, because a slower keyboarding speed, featuring accuracy, get the job done. 💙
My favorite relic is my mother's old Apple IIe. I now have it, programmed on it when I was a kid in the 90s, and it needs some new key stems because the escape key, well, escaped. It also needs some parts for the DuoDisk drive. It was the only computer we never got rid of after we got it back from my grandparents until we got our iMacs (a 2001 and 2006 one). All three are still kicking around, last I checked.
FDD - the small hole in the front fascia allows the "Disk Ejection Device (TM)" to be inserted. Apple actually produced an item just for this task. A paper-clip will serve quite well. Similar to the same hole on CD/DVD drives.
I have a White Nintendo DS Lite from my childhood that has a broken hinge, the bottom touch screen is filled with scratches, the L and R buttons dont work, and the stylus is missing in action I really want to do a shell swap, replace the screens, and fix the L and R buttons. :D
The dust bunnies! I probably wouldn’t have caught this Dolores Claiborne reference if i hadn’t just finished reading it last week. i love Dave and i love this video
"If your big on decorating your home with antique computers" when the iPod touch was discontinued I went out and bought one to keep sealed in the box. It is currently on my desk as a decoration. Lol! I also have a Macintosh classic that used to work but now it seems to turn on but there is no picture in the CRT.
Tech tipp. When turning in screws back into plastics. Before you start, turn it COUNTER CLOCKWISE, you should feel a minor drop of the screw. If done correctly you are now back in the original groove and wont damage anything.
I found my old Commodore 64 after 30 years. Turned out it was sitting in a box and suitcase at my grandmothers house. Did an “unboxing” video on it. Haven’t had the courage to turn it on or try out the floppy drive. I also got my old printer and a sound sampler. Sadly no joysticks. Also I would need something go convert the video signal as I have no tv that will show the signal. Oh well one day. I also have some of my floppy discs with my programs on them. Note sure that can be read.
I have a macintosh plus that used to work. But now doesn’t, I’m in need of repairing it and I love these age of apple and love for the 8 bit guy for many years!
Restored a Macintosh XL my dad bought back in 1986, 5 MHz 68000, 1 MB of memory, 10 MB HD. Had to use a stepper gauge on the widget HD to get it to recognize the disk was spinning and allow the head/heads to move over the platter. Also the keyboard is capacitance with foam for springs which fully disintegrated so I had to makeup new foam circles with heavy mylar glued to them. Hey, it works and I showed it to my dad who was amazed it was working again. Fun story is that I inherited this from him in 1990 and used it beside the C-64. It broke. My dad bought my brother and I a Macintosh LC. Weeks later I figured out how to fix the Macintosh XL so we had 3 computers to play with. I wrote my HS papers on the C-64 in Easy Script, college papers on the XL in Word 3.0 which I brought to my dad's Mac II to have him print on his laser printer. Also, about 18 years ago, I used a USB connected PC floppy drive and special software to image all of my C-64 disks on which I had written many programs and a few games so I can run those in an emulator today.
This was an unexpected surprise! Nice episode. Typically on these old computers, they just need a good cleaning inside and out to work well. Good job keeping the retrobrite to a minimum. I’ve done 20+ full machines with retrobrite now, and I always hit them with 303 Aerospace Protectant. No re-yellowing on the machines I’ve treated yet! I do disagree with David about these being “nightmares”, I find compact B&W Macs to be very fun to work on, once you get to know their quirks. I simultaneously love David’s channel and work, I’m very glad that you reached out to him!
I was hoping for something like this to happen! If only the LTT intro music was still around, it would sound great if it was made in the 8-bit guy's style for a crossover like this. We need AE Jensen on this!
Well, sometimes you are just lucky... A few months ago I found an old Macintosh Se on the side of the road... Not believing anyone would throw away such a thing, I took it in, thinking I'd probably would need to fix it... Plugged it in, and after making a boot floppy disk for it found that it worked perfectly!
I have an original Macintosh, built in February 1984, and I've repaired a dozen or so from that era through the mid 90's, I'd hardly call them a nightmare, but frequently require a complete re-cap and thorough cleaning. The Quantum SCSI drives on the later ones have a basically 100% failure rate. 5:05 You can use a paperclip inserted into the little pinhole to eject a disk manually.
This whole experience brings back memories. I had the upgrade to this the Macintosh Plus with a whopping 1 meg of ram. Ah the curse or the TORX screws, that's something i'm glad to forget. Back in the day I was an engineering major. So working with PC and Macs was never easy but understanable. So to upgrade the memory I had to take it apart also. Yes don't touch the charged CTR gun in front of you. Oh and watch out for the OPEN power supply on the side too. After all that I had to disconnect the mainboard and find a specfic resistor and clip it so that it ould accept the new memory. All that for it to go from 1 meg to 1.5 meg of ram. Then I got to really styling when I purchased my SCSI external hard drive. NO MORE DISK DANCING FOR ME! Now I had an 80MB (not GB) disk. Was king of the world back then. Good times, good times.
Great collaboration! I have my family's old Commodore 64, originally bought around 1983, with a (not original) disk drive and CRT Commodore 1701 monitor. I still drag it out every now and then and play with it. I would love to give them all a good retrobrite-ing, but there is that fear of pulling everything apart and hoping I don't have any spare pieces left over once reassembly is done.
Looks like you have an Apple carrying case for the original Mac. That is cool. Mine was aftermarket. When you open the case with the extra long Torx driver, you will find the names of the Mac developers inside molded into the plastic. I upgraded my 128k over the years so it became a Mac plus and could boot off of a hard drive. Yours should be able to boot off the external floppy drive, if that one is working - if I remember correctly. Good luck.
I bought those gears (and a bunch of other stuff) from Retro ShopBox, and they were a great vendor to deal with. Their gears did work for me, although I am also in Australia, so it might not be worth it if there's a more local vendor that sells those gears. As for fixing vintage Macs, I did fix the drive in my Classic II, which basically also just needed cleaning and re-lubricating, besides the eject gear. I also recapped it, which was more of a preventative measure since it worked anyway. I also bought an SE/30 which "just works", but I did recap it and replaced the battery holder with a CR2032 holder, since there were signs of corrosion beginning from the dodgy old caps and battery. They probably could use a good scrubbing, but I was too impatient to get them back together after working on them, so perhaps that's a job for next time I get some time off work.
Wish you could get more people like The8BitGuy! Especially people like ThisDoesNotCompute, Duraga1, LGR, and Micheal MJD (lots more at the top of my head but all fantastic people you guys should work with!)
Got an old Sinclair ZX81 that needs a lot of clean up. It is the one that I first played games on, but wasn't mine, I came into it's possession because my friends dad, who owned it, gifted it to me after Sir Clive Sinclair passed away two years ago. It's in pretty rough shape and needs some love, but still works flawlessly. Looking to mod 16k RAM into it and replacing the RF-signal adapter to a Composite out. My friends dad added a piezo speaker to it so that every time you push a button on the membrane keyboard it beeps, might get rid of that, not sure yet though.
We had one of these back when I was a kid. I killed it by accidental boredom. My brother was playing on it and I was impatiently waiting my turn as we do as kids. While waiting, I found a bunch of BBQ utensils sitting nearby to a powerpoint with a cable not fully seated in it. And like a curious moron, I stuck the spatula across the live and neutral pins. This was way back before Australia sheathed their pins so it popped really loud and the surge forever killed the old Mac.
I am an apple collector myself. So far i have a Macintosh Classic II and a Macintosh Performa 5250 Series. Im looking to collect an original Macintosh next! Thanks for the video!
I've heard that retrobrighted cases re-yellow, that just makes sense - the fundamental flaw in the plastic is still there. This is the first time I've ever heard about it being /worse/ than before, though.
I still have my Tandy Color Computer 2 and my Tandy 1000TL from back when I was young. I bought the 1000 in 1989 when I was 15 and the CoCo was given to me by my parents a few years before that. Both are still really neat to play with. The 1000 is set up in my office as sort of a 'retro corner'.
Where's this "retrobrighted things are even worse after a couple years" coming from? I have mutliple keyboards that I retrobrighted and that are still nice even after a couple years, this is the first time I'm hearing about this.
I actually have a relative's 1998 Tray-loading, Bondi-blue iMac G3. Sadly when powering it up again in 2015 *something* went and the only way I could get it functional was by replacing almost the entire thing by scavenging the logic board, display a d power supply from a slightly later 1999 model, before they switched to the slot-loading models. The drives are still the original ones, though. Sadly this means that it's not quite in original condition since it's a hardware revision later and e.g. the IR port is no longer functional since it was removed after the first year.
Thanks for having me on the show!
David!! It's good to see you on... wait.. LMG video of all places.
can i hold 30 bucks
Love your channel and seeing a LMG / Mac Address collab was unexpectedly cool!
Love your channel! Much love!
8bit guy on lmg video is the collab we didnt know we needed until it happened
I'm no Apple / Mac guy but Jonathan Horst is always able to bring me in. The calm atomosphere is charming and, somehow, addictive.
Just like Apple….
me neither, i just love the vibe
i dont like apple but i like the vibe of this show
@@ryanhamstra49 Garak: "It's insidious!" Quark: "Just like the Federat--I mean, just like Apple." (MA is at least in part responsible for me owning ~6 Apple products now)
DS9, so good.@@SoyElDiabloRojo
A collab I’d never thought I’d see. 8 bit guy and LTT is very unexpected but a very welcome collab
What's next? Tailosive Tech and DankPods?
Mac Address actually. LTT is not related to this channel
@@JeskidoYT huh? this channel was created and is run by LMG, similar to shortCircuit and techLinked.
@JeskidoYT it's all under the LMG company tho, so technically it is related to LTT
It’s not LTT, though it is under the LMG umbrella
AFAIK there is no evidence to suggest that after retrobriting plastic yellows any faster. It may continue to yellow at the same rate as before, and the sunlight or heat that caused the yellowing can make the plastic brittle, but it I've found no evidence that it speeds up at all. I'd love to see a study on this in more depth, but sadly I've not found any. Thanks for doing something retro Mac Address team ♥️
Yeah, it's statements like that guy made, that got LMG in so much hot water recently.
@@BEdmonson85 people's experiences of retrobriting varies. I've done an Amiga 600 that went yellow again within a year. Others have done theirs and it's stayed white. Nobody really knows why!
A lot of the issue is just different variables... the kind of plastic, the age of the plastic, the environment it sits in afterwards and then you get comments based on multiple people's different experiences and you get a game of telephone.
There's a superb @heybirt video on the subject of retrobrighting that separates fact from fiction
Same. My Amiga 1200 was retrobrited maybe 4 years ago and looks exactly the same right now. I have a Amiga 500 that was also done around the same time and has a little bit of new yellowing. Every Mac I've done is fine. Some plastics will continue to yellow, yes, but it's not the doom and gloom grenade Tanner lobbed (and then left. LOL).
No Way, I didn’t think that this collaboration could exist, but this is awesome!!!❤
Bro I was waiting for the 8 bit guy to show up in a LTT video for AGES
This is quite good! wish he would of retrobrite'd it and gotten alex to fab a uv rig though haha
You just steal these words from my mouth!
No way this exists!
Remember, when it’s in the shuttle bag, it’s a Packintosh.
I’ll show myself out.
To say this is my dream collaboration is an understatement. I’ve watched the 8 bit guy since he was the iBook guy, and LMG content for even longer
Same! I used to be really into collecting the Snow White G3 iBook and the iBook Clamshell and I have the 8 Bit Guy to thank :D
Same I think I found him originally from his video on if the iBook g4's were obsolete
1000000% agreed
Same here! I've been following the 8 bit guy for 7 years now and it's super cool to see him collaborate with LMG.
Dream collab is 8-Bit Guy and Techmoan. It's technically already happened, but I want to see one where Techmoan attempts to break into 8-Bit Guy's house like that one meme video
I actually think this is my favorite LMG channel, the slow-paced editing, relaxed host and great takes on tech-focused content make it for me. Perhaps this is a hot take, but I don't mind we don't get uploads very frequently, the ones we get are plenty good and feel... hard to put it into words, but from the very first one they all feel like they are from the same "family", as if the style was already in place from the get-go
LTT needs to bring this style to the rest of their UA-cam channels
Exactly, instead of Linus breaking vintage machines and giggling, which boils my blood every time @@ethanmenzel
@@racheeeedsome who understandz. No comedy sketches necessary. Quality over quantity.
@UnjustifiedRecs LTT tends to be going for the widest tech-enthusuast audience, SC/MA/TL tend to be for more dedicated fans of the content, and TQ goes after search results.
Often LTT starts with the high energy to draw people in, but mellows out after the first sponsor spot, especially on reviews and "let's take a look at this cool thing" videos (the former being fully scripted, the latter being less scripted than the average video)
@UnjustifiedRecsadhd and rushed
8-Bit Guy on Mac Address???? I clicked instantly. He's awesome.
Agreed
This is actually not the first time The 8-Bit guy has been in a video from LMG. The first time was when Linus was trying to run two gtx 1080 shaped usb drives in raid. The only way he could do so was by using a MAC.
Whats the link to the video
@@ethanmenzel this site tends to delete comments with links in them in my experience.
@@ethanmenzel video title: "The TINIEST Nvidia SLI Setup EVER?". Video id wHfV41SZnXM. At around the 5:00 mark, the 8-bit guy video appears.
@@MartinPaoloni He just references the 8-bit guy. I thought he actually made an appearance
he didnt try using windows
Mac Address is what the entire LMG team needs to be on UA-cam.
Its crazy to me that the watch on his wrist has far more power than the computer he's putting back together.
I am acutally most impressed that the carrying bag is in such good shape!
I have 4 of those. Unlike other bags, these hold up pretty well. The only one that's in bad shape is the oldest one I got with my 128k, the ring around the top is starting to fall apart
Something that wasn't mentioned is that you need to be careful with CRT based monitors when working around them. They retain charge after the computer is switched off. My first job was as a Mac engineer and we used to have to discharge the screens before working on them. Also, the tiny hole to the right hand side of the floppy disk drive is a disk release. If you find a long pin and push it into the hole far enough it will release the disk. But there defo should be a warning about the CRT thing. Also they are vacuum tubes, if you break of the nipple on the end they can implode. rare to happen. But still worth being careful.
I was an Apple Genius when some of the last CRTs were still serviceable (Education models) and we had to go through BOBSMEDS training.
Breaking them at the nipple on the end of the neck is the one of the most reliable ways to NOT have them implode.
wow jonathan really pulling through with the quality content/collabs
Happy to see the Mac up and running again! 👍
I've fixed dozens of similarly aged Apples, it's nice to see this one was able to be saved for future generations to come. Especially when the case is in pretty good shape.
Just a small note, the image on the CRT is stretched quite a bit outside of the factory settings. There should be a solid thick border around the image on the display. That's why the image in the corners is cut off behind the plastic. Books like "Dead Mac Scrolls" give you measurements to help resolve this.
I can't wait for the retro bright space bar followup in 2 years.
my grandma worked at apple in the 80s and i remember in like 2014 going to her storage garage and she has like 100 of them stacked floor to ceiling in there, god i wish i knew what she did with them, and that she was still alive lol. miss u grandma
I loved this style of video. The editing and directing style seemed like I was watching an NPR show on "How you over came your fear of fixing a childhood memory". And it's great seeing David being able to help, too!
I love it whenever an old machine is saved. To me its no different than a classic car or piece of artwork. You're preserving history!!
Maybe add a warning about discharging the CRT to avoid shocks?
Also the initial basic steps: check and replace the battery, check if the capacitors have leaked?
Watching you resting the front of the Mac directly onto a hard worktop was the first wince. The screen protrudes proud of the frame and you can see the Mac rocking a little as all the weight is placed on the cathode ray tube. You should have placed a thick towel or soft pad underneath the screen to spread the weight around and reduce pressure on the tube.
I watched both channels and I am so happy to watch them collaborate on this, my heart is filled with joy!
Love the 8bit guy and this episode of MA was very fun to watch! This channel needs more retro tech every now and then
Its crazy how fast we move as a society that this feels like ancient alien tecnology that we have to translate from, and this actually was top notch tech to my parents. CRAZY
One of the channels I frequently visit.. What a marvelous trip down the memory lane.. Thanks 8bitguy!!!
Honestly, looking at the final result, the keyboard didn't need retrobrighting at all, especially if its at risk of making it worse over time - take it from someone who is OCD about color and cleaning electronics. Awesome collab, two of my favorite channels together for the best time!
That's not the original MacIntosh! The original only had 128K of memory. At 0:25 you can see it's got 512K of memory making it a "Fat Mac".
I think I still have the tools to open the case - a super long allen key and a spring loaded seam spreader. Let me know if you want to add them to your collection. (I live a few blocks from your studio)
I noticed the same error. I don't watch LMG content for accuracy though, they fail at that, especially when going with systems that are probably older than most of their staff. Linus Sebastian wasn't born until 1986. Alas, they seem to be ageists, so they're not exactly bringing on elders in their field to fact check them, at all.
I have a nice collection of Compact Macs myself, some I've even owned since the 90s. I do have a Mac 512k, a color classic with a LC520 board, and an original 128k manufactured in August 1984 if I remember right. Unfortunately, it has a sad Mac which seems to be from a bad RAM chip. Due to the soldered in chips, its a bit hard to troubleshoot. I might be able to try piggybacking chips until it shows a disk icon, and then replace that chip, but not 100% sure if that would actually work.
It's not allen, it's TORX. Those long-handled torx drivers were very hard to get (deliberately) and highly prized. The case spreaders were needed the first few times you opened a (production) case. Pre-production units didn't have as good an internal case coating and weren't assembled using a press! I was one of the folks that visited pre-announcement Macintosh developers to upgrade EPROMs, and carried one of these torx drivers with me.
@@mattcintosh2 A number of companies made 512k boards by "acquiring" and upgrading 128k boards. Easiest way was to cut out the old chips and use a vacuum assist solder sucker to remove the pins.
@@artiem5262 my first Mac torx driver was custom made in metal shop in 1998ish. We took a cheap flat head screwdriver, cut the tip off and brazed one of those 1 inch bits to the end. I still have it, but now also have 2 or 3 official Mac drivers with the flat side on the other.
What fun!
I have an old PowerBook 520 "Blackbird" that my wife found on eBay. It needed some repair so she found another one for parts.
It's the model we always wanted because the design was so groundbreaking at the time and it could hold TWO batteries for extended time away from a plug. It was also the very first laptop with a trackpad!
I got it to play with the Macintosh Programmer's Workshop to learn C++.
This is not the color version of this laptop, that would be the 540. I just needed it for text so color wasn't so important. It kinda harkens back to the original Macintosh, except this one has 16 shades of gray instead of the simple binary black and white of the original screen.
I haven't done anything with it for more than 12 years, but you've encouraged me to get it out and see what I need to get it running again.
Thanks! I really enjoyed this one!
I was in the engineering part of Bandley 3 (The Apple building that held the Macintosh team) on the day a contingent from Sony Japan delivered the first of these disk drives. It was presented, with formality, to Steve Jobs and George Crow (Hardware lead), who received it with much gratitude. It was presented in a beautiful wooden box. George and Sony really bailed out the Macintosh with this drive!
I loved the vibe and pacing of this video! Always excited when MA posts. Its great that you take your time to make this kind of videos.
You can get disks out with a paperclip. Stick it in the hole on the front of the drive, then push.
Yes. But the issue is always finding a paper clip!
As a hobbyist, I've serviced and upgraded plenty of vintage Macs over the years. There have been some casualties, of course, but I now have several beloved vintage Macs that run as well or better than when they were new.
I upgraded my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro with 64 GB of RAM and a 2 TB NVMe drive. I upgraded basically every major part of my 2010 cheesegrater Mac Pro: the CPU (a 3.46 GHz six-core), GPU (an RX 580), RAM (48 GB) and storage (1 TB NVMe in a glowing PCIe adapter), and I installed a Blu-Ray drive, a USB-C card and a FireWire 400 card. My mid-2012 MacBook Pros both have SSDs and 16 GB of RAM. My Pismo PowerBook G3 from 2000 has a 120 GB mSATA SSD, 1 GB of RAM, a USB 2.0 card and a slot-loading optical drive. I fully restored my early 2008 MacBook Pro with parts from other first-gen MacBook Pros.
i appreciate the focus on apple history rather than the more product review style videos
I'm a PC guy. I just finished repairing my friends MacBook and I could hear your voice guiding me the whole way.
I love the editing... I can't imagine how difficult this was especially since it's not your typical collab wherein the youtuber visits the LMG studios, and instead has to give all the instructions via video call...
The collab we didn't know we needed. David's one of the hidden gems on UA-cam; his very personal observations on tech are fun
I also have a Mac 512k, complete with case, disks, etc...I should dig it out of storage and clean it up sometime soon.
Do it!
I love retrobriting but Tanner is right. Once you start you're going to be taking it apart every couple of years to redo because it will also speed up the yellowing process
Love to see some retro Mac adventures on this channel, and I hope you all get to do more stuff like this down the line. Linus shouldn’t get to have all the fun with an Apple Newton. As always, your style of videos is top notch
So happy to see this collaboration and I have my childhood Tandy computer, definitely needs to be restored though
Random tip: You can "convert" HD floppies to DD floppies by simply taping up the extra hole opposite the write protect hole.
They're perfectly compatible, the extra hole just signifies to the drive that it's HD.
9:42 I didn’t know, these are called dust bunnies. In German we call them Wollmäuse - wool mice. 😂
Thanks for getting @The8BitGuy on the show. He's awesome!
Love the 8 bit guy!
Would love seeing these kind of collabs whenever they look at retro/obscure systems on the main LTT channel. People like LGR, MVG and so on would serve as a nice source of insight for the broader LMG public.
"Shufflepuck Café" was my favorite game to play on these older machines. Biff Raunch was a bastard but his laugh and growl made me lol nearly everytime.
Man I loved that game.
Those dithered graphics are still so cool. Great characters.
I still have my original Apple Iic that I coincidentally restored following Dave's video -on the same model- down to the retro-brightening and all. It's proudly displayed with my newer Macs AND IT STILL WORKS!
"Hey, Moms Demand Action? Look! I'm out shopping with my rifle. You know, I get a perverse pleasure out of this because it makes steam come out of Shannon Watt's ears. See y'all later!"
I get this and it's why I don't watch him, I hope he has learned but I can't get over him justifying the murder of children. Till he apologizes publicly I can't support him.
"I will destroy this rare piece of tech for absolutely no good reason!"
@@Lord_Reset as far as i know, he defended his actions, but dont quote me on that
"Perverse pleasure" is what gets me about this quote of his. I used to really enjoy David's content, then I realized how just out of touch he is with reality and the world. A rare miss for MA.
Holy nostalgia. Typing in programs from a magazine. Something I hadn't thought about in decades, since my Apple II Plus.
9:47 -- I call that "fixing it until it's broken"
OH WOW! Ain't that the collab I never knew I needed.
The first time I worked on an Apple computer was in 1990 when I learned "Advanced" Desktop Publishing at a printing school. Fortunately, I did not have to take the Typewriting course, because I had the typewriting skill under my belt. I used Microsoft Word while the rest of my classmates were using Adobe Illustrator, even Adobe Pagemaker. I used that desktop publishing program myself. It complemented the Microsoft Word documents, too. I like your workshop and your operations alike. I relish watching people use the microcomputer. Today, I am using a Microsoft Windows-based Dell Windows-based keyboard. I enjoy typing on it, and I do not need the speed, because a slower keyboarding speed, featuring accuracy, get the job done. 💙
My favorite relic is my mother's old Apple IIe. I now have it, programmed on it when I was a kid in the 90s, and it needs some new key stems because the escape key, well, escaped. It also needs some parts for the DuoDisk drive.
It was the only computer we never got rid of after we got it back from my grandparents until we got our iMacs (a 2001 and 2006 one). All three are still kicking around, last I checked.
yooo, i've been waiting for a long time for this collab
FDD - the small hole in the front fascia allows the "Disk Ejection Device (TM)" to be inserted. Apple actually produced an item just for this task. A paper-clip will serve quite well. Similar to the same hole on CD/DVD drives.
I have a White Nintendo DS Lite from my childhood that has a broken hinge, the bottom touch screen is filled with scratches, the L and R buttons dont work, and the stylus is missing in action
I really want to do a shell swap, replace the screens, and fix the L and R buttons. :D
The dust bunnies! I probably wouldn’t have caught this Dolores Claiborne reference if i hadn’t just finished reading it last week. i love Dave and i love this video
"If your big on decorating your home with antique computers" when the iPod touch was discontinued I went out and bought one to keep sealed in the box. It is currently on my desk as a decoration. Lol! I also have a Macintosh classic that used to work but now it seems to turn on but there is no picture in the CRT.
Tech tipp. When turning in screws back into plastics. Before you start, turn it COUNTER CLOCKWISE, you should feel a minor drop of the screw. If done correctly you are now back in the original groove and wont damage anything.
I am always amazed by how many people are unaware of this simple trick that could prevent so much destruction.
Thanks for giving us a reliving moment with the Mac's of our youth!
I found my old Commodore 64 after 30 years. Turned out it was sitting in a box and suitcase at my grandmothers house. Did an “unboxing” video on it. Haven’t had the courage to turn it on or try out the floppy drive. I also got my old printer and a sound sampler. Sadly no joysticks. Also I would need something go convert the video signal as I have no tv that will show the signal. Oh well one day. I also have some of my floppy discs with my programs on them. Note sure that can be read.
"It's so new, it's in french" had me wheezing
Should have called Mac84. The louis rossmann of classic macs.
I'd happily watch Jonathon interview more people. Has he had a tech upgrade yet? I'd like to see what he does too.
I have a macintosh plus that used to work. But now doesn’t, I’m in need of repairing it and I love these age of apple and love for the 8 bit guy for many years!
Restored a Macintosh XL my dad bought back in 1986, 5 MHz 68000, 1 MB of memory, 10 MB HD. Had to use a stepper gauge on the widget HD to get it to recognize the disk was spinning and allow the head/heads to move over the platter. Also the keyboard is capacitance with foam for springs which fully disintegrated so I had to makeup new foam circles with heavy mylar glued to them. Hey, it works and I showed it to my dad who was amazed it was working again. Fun story is that I inherited this from him in 1990 and used it beside the C-64. It broke. My dad bought my brother and I a Macintosh LC. Weeks later I figured out how to fix the Macintosh XL so we had 3 computers to play with. I wrote my HS papers on the C-64 in Easy Script, college papers on the XL in Word 3.0 which I brought to my dad's Mac II to have him print on his laser printer. Also, about 18 years ago, I used a USB connected PC floppy drive and special software to image all of my C-64 disks on which I had written many programs and a few games so I can run those in an emulator today.
Jonathan is so hardcore Mac think different he didn’t even use LTT Screwdrivers
Man...many thank to show my first computer for college (CEGEP) ...very good memory
This was an unexpected surprise! Nice episode. Typically on these old computers, they just need a good cleaning inside and out to work well. Good job keeping the retrobrite to a minimum. I’ve done 20+ full machines with retrobrite now, and I always hit them with 303 Aerospace Protectant. No re-yellowing on the machines I’ve treated yet! I do disagree with David about these being “nightmares”, I find compact B&W Macs to be very fun to work on, once you get to know their quirks. I simultaneously love David’s channel and work, I’m very glad that you reached out to him!
FEATURING THE 8 BIT GUY!?!?!?
This is the coolest collab ever omg
i love the 8 bit guy, im quite excited for this collab
I was hoping for something like this to happen! If only the LTT intro music was still around, it would sound great if it was made in the 8-bit guy's style for a crossover like this. We need AE Jensen on this!
Well, sometimes you are just lucky... A few months ago I found an old Macintosh Se on the side of the road... Not believing anyone would throw away such a thing, I took it in, thinking I'd probably would need to fix it... Plugged it in, and after making a boot floppy disk for it found that it worked perfectly!
I have an original Macintosh, built in February 1984, and I've repaired a dozen or so from that era through the mid 90's, I'd hardly call them a nightmare, but frequently require a complete re-cap and thorough cleaning. The Quantum SCSI drives on the later ones have a basically 100% failure rate. 5:05 You can use a paperclip inserted into the little pinhole to eject a disk manually.
This whole experience brings back memories. I had the upgrade to this the Macintosh Plus with a whopping 1 meg of ram. Ah the curse or the TORX screws, that's something i'm glad to forget. Back in the day I was an engineering major. So working with PC and Macs was never easy but understanable. So to upgrade the memory I had to take it apart also. Yes don't touch the charged CTR gun in front of you. Oh and watch out for the OPEN power supply on the side too. After all that I had to disconnect the mainboard and find a specfic resistor and clip it so that it ould accept the new memory. All that for it to go from 1 meg to 1.5 meg of ram. Then I got to really styling when I purchased my SCSI external hard drive. NO MORE DISK DANCING FOR ME! Now I had an 80MB (not GB) disk. Was king of the world back then. Good times, good times.
Great collaboration!
I have my family's old Commodore 64, originally bought around 1983, with a (not original) disk drive and CRT Commodore 1701 monitor. I still drag it out every now and then and play with it. I would love to give them all a good retrobrite-ing, but there is that fear of pulling everything apart and hoping I don't have any spare pieces left over once reassembly is done.
Looks like you have an Apple carrying case for the original Mac. That is cool. Mine was aftermarket. When you open the case with the extra long Torx driver, you will find the names of the Mac developers inside molded into the plastic. I upgraded my 128k over the years so it became a Mac plus and could boot off of a hard drive. Yours should be able to boot off the external floppy drive, if that one is working - if I remember correctly. Good luck.
I LOVE this style of video. Trying some DIY project for the first time is nice to watch. It gives me the confidence to try DIY projects on my own.
Never expected this collab!
I bought those gears (and a bunch of other stuff) from Retro ShopBox, and they were a great vendor to deal with. Their gears did work for me, although I am also in Australia, so it might not be worth it if there's a more local vendor that sells those gears.
As for fixing vintage Macs, I did fix the drive in my Classic II, which basically also just needed cleaning and re-lubricating, besides the eject gear. I also recapped it, which was more of a preventative measure since it worked anyway. I also bought an SE/30 which "just works", but I did recap it and replaced the battery holder with a CR2032 holder, since there were signs of corrosion beginning from the dodgy old caps and battery. They probably could use a good scrubbing, but I was too impatient to get them back together after working on them, so perhaps that's a job for next time I get some time off work.
Still got my old Commodore 64, game consoles, etc. Retro night are a blast.
Wish you could get more people like The8BitGuy! Especially people like ThisDoesNotCompute, Duraga1, LGR, and Micheal MJD (lots more at the top of my head but all fantastic people you guys should work with!)
Got an old Sinclair ZX81 that needs a lot of clean up. It is the one that I first played games on, but wasn't mine, I came into it's possession because my friends dad, who owned it, gifted it to me after Sir Clive Sinclair passed away two years ago. It's in pretty rough shape and needs some love, but still works flawlessly. Looking to mod 16k RAM into it and replacing the RF-signal adapter to a Composite out. My friends dad added a piezo speaker to it so that every time you push a button on the membrane keyboard it beeps, might get rid of that, not sure yet though.
We had one of these back when I was a kid. I killed it by accidental boredom. My brother was playing on it and I was impatiently waiting my turn as we do as kids. While waiting, I found a bunch of BBQ utensils sitting nearby to a powerpoint with a cable not fully seated in it. And like a curious moron, I stuck the spatula across the live and neutral pins. This was way back before Australia sheathed their pins so it popped really loud and the surge forever killed the old Mac.
I would take that to a "genius" bar at an apple store just for laughs.
I've retrobrited a few things, and yes they can start to yellow again, but not darker than before in just a few years.
8 bit guy and LTT’s Mac Address.
A pairing I didn’t know I needed, but my GOD was it awesome!
As a D&D player I'd summon the wizard Anthony to help
Man, retro recipe would love to be a part of that kind of video.
I am an apple collector myself. So far i have a Macintosh Classic II and a Macintosh Performa 5250 Series. Im looking to collect an original Macintosh next! Thanks for the video!
Great colab. Would love to see more in the future.
Woz is the only Apple employee left who could probably repair that.
I've heard that retrobrighted cases re-yellow, that just makes sense - the fundamental flaw in the plastic is still there.
This is the first time I've ever heard about it being /worse/ than before, though.
I still have my Tandy Color Computer 2 and my Tandy 1000TL from back when I was young. I bought the 1000 in 1989 when I was 15 and the CoCo was given to me by my parents a few years before that. Both are still really neat to play with. The 1000 is set up in my office as sort of a 'retro corner'.
Am I the only person that prefers the yellowing on these retro Macs? I love a good patina. It shows that the item was loved and used.
Where's this "retrobrighted things are even worse after a couple years" coming from? I have mutliple keyboards that I retrobrighted and that are still nice even after a couple years, this is the first time I'm hearing about this.
what i liked most about seeing the old mac is the carrying case.
It looks so like a cool bag that I half expect Horst to take some beer out.
I actually have a relative's 1998 Tray-loading, Bondi-blue iMac G3.
Sadly when powering it up again in 2015 *something* went and the only way I could get it functional was by replacing almost the entire thing by scavenging the logic board, display a d power supply from a slightly later 1999 model, before they switched to the slot-loading models.
The drives are still the original ones, though.
Sadly this means that it's not quite in original condition since it's a hardware revision later and e.g. the IR port is no longer functional since it was removed after the first year.
"Over time, it would age".
Me too. Me too...