In India, it's not about the perfection/realism of the scene. It is about the emotion of the scene, that's all we care. We are trained to see a movie just as a movie and completely escape into it. Bahubali is set in the time period between the Gods and Humans, hence the superhuman strength of these characters.
It´s like "Tiger and Dragon". The bamboo forest scene is Waay over the top, but it really accurately depicts what it FEELS like being in that situation.
4:15 I read in a metallurgy book that the main/only reason Indian crucible steel (which was exported and is basically all Dark Age and medieval crucible steel) was so good, or any good, was because the ore from a couple of Indian mines happened to have vanadium in it. The crucible process distributed that vanadium evenly, making steel comparable to some modern steels. Not that figuring out the crucible process wasn't crucial, I don't want to belittle that. It was just not much use without the right ore, which is why no one else used it until the late 1800s and why India _stopped_ using it after a while. The vanadium-rich ore ran out. IIRC, the author said something like "It must have been extremely frustrating for Indian smiths at the time. They were using the exact same processes, but unable to get the same results because the ore simply lacked the same composition." Before the 20th century, controlling the trace metals alloyed into steel was very difficult, if not impossible. Before the 17th-18th century, people had no way of even knowing that those trace metals existed. All they could do was work with a given ore and figure out how good it happened to be and what process to use--how much coke to add, what temperatures to use (not that they could accurately measure temperature, they had to judge it based on time in a given forge and/or the exact shade the metal glowed). There was a similar thing with Spanish steel. Several Spanish iron mines had tungsten in the ore, making blades that held an edge better with any given forging and tempering process. It was just better ore. This is, by the way, why the Japanese had to use their complicated forging process. They had no iron mines, so they had to import from China, who would only export iron sand, pretty much the worst possible source of iron. The Japanese had to melt the sand down in a way that added carbon but also removed the non-metallic parts, which they did by dumping the sand into the top of a tall furnace. As it melted, the iron ran across the charcoal, picking up (way too much) carbon and filtering out some of the lighter slag. Then the iron settled at the bottom with the rest of the slag and ash on top of it. Knocking a hole in bottom of the furnace let the iron flow out, leaving most of the slag behind. Then the smiths had to separate the high-carbon bits of hardened iron form the _really_ high-carbon bits and layer and fold them, then differentially harden them to make swords that wouldn't shatter _too_ easily. This has been my TED talk.
I have learned several fascinating things today. I especially find the vanadium and tungsten in the iron ore interesting since I'm a little bit of an amateur metallurgy nerd.
I don't know why he is making fun of palm trees . I mean he have zero knowledge about them . There are so many west reviewer I have seen so far , they are dumb totally dumb . If you are making a video about such things , you should have to be sure that what are saying is on the fact . He is pretending like he know so much about physics and strength of phloem and xylem fiber of palm trees but in reality he have no idea about the flexibility and strength of palm trees . And if he think he is so smart and knowledge full man (not intelligent) , your sweet welcome in India and here you have access to show your infinite fact and question about those scenes and I bet you there is full explanation with detailed data as well as practical .
@@amtheaudience2457 Your right about what he said about the palm trees, but what he said about the battlefield tactics and weapons and stuff like that comes from knowledge that applies to any battlefield, not just one in India.
Regarding the palm trees, I heard a story from a tanker who served in Iraq that when bored tankers like to see what stuff they can run over in their tanks. Well, the only thing that this tanker was not able to crush with their 60-70 ton tank was a palm tree. The tree bent over from the tank driving over it but did not break, causing the tank to get stuck high centered on the tree. After being towed off, the tree sprang back up and looked as if nothing had happened.
My mom grows palms for a living. They do break. The tall and thin Washingtonias will bend pretty nicely with WIND, but a tank would break it or uproot it. The same as a tractor. And the Fenix palms, the normal ones, these do break for sure.
Maybe, they could feed lots of baked beans to the elephants. Then light the farts, of said elephants, and watch them fly forth and punch holes through the walls of the castle. The rest of the army, would there upon, pour through the holes and win the day.
This movie is PERFECTLY in line with India's mythology as well. I mean in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana they had things that could be compared to freaken "giant flying UFO castles with death lasers" and arrows that flew like cruise missiles for goodness sake. Their entire history and culture has just some of the most epic stuff EVER. lol.
@@rexxbailey2764 Well yeah, I mean I'm being a bit hyperbolic about it, but yeah. In ancient Hindu texts they talk about the Vimana, essentially flying castles decorated with gold that they even have sketches of what they looked like and everything. They talk about "bow and arrows" that when shit fired heat and flames. I mean it's all up for interpretation, but that sure sounds a lot like UFOs with Lasers to me
@@chrislaws4785 @Chris L No you haven't read the original texts. You have watched televised versions of it or read Highly shortened versions. If you read original texts, you will find very detailed descriptions of the vimanas with the structure, fuel , shape , capacity etc. A lot of studies have been done on this and the structures of vimanas have been found to be aerodynamically stable. Also if you see detailed descriptions of the weapons mentioned, you will find eerie similarities with the kind of WMDs and missiles we have today.
@@exponentialcomplexity3051 That is LITERALLY what I was just trying to say. That they describe flying machines that are just like what people think of when they think of UFOs and they also describe things that sound a lot like lasers and missiles, with "Bows" that could fire "arrows" that would go through multiple trees or even explode into a ball of fire. They describe things both in text and drawings that are basically relatively primitive people trying to describe modern day technologies with the vocabulary they had at the time. They read like a science fiction movel...lol. And OF COURSE I haven't read the original text, I don't speak or read Sanskrit. I've read the english translations of them.
6:05 It's a lot cooler than a training scene. What he is lifting is a temple idol of Lord Shiva. You offer prayer by pouring water over it. The MC's old mum wanted her disobedient son to stop being adventurous and had to pour 10000 bowls of water as prayer. The MC didn't want his old mother risking the slippery rocks, so he removed the idol from its foundation and moved the entire temple to be under a waterfall. In short, our boy just bench pressed God for his mum.
If there's ever a live action Dynasty Warriors movie, they need to get these guys to make it. The scenes of melee fighting I can practically see the kill count reaching the triple digits with every swing.
6:17 The praise to Lord Shiva scene is this: In India trying to raise the Lingam (which is a representation of Lord Shiva) is extremely difficult. It'd be like multiple swords in the rock and trying to push it out. As far I understand our hero removing the Shiva Lingam is a miracle. Think of Captain America trying to pull Thor's Hammer - this is a more magical/supernatural thing.
@@MedjayofFaiyum that is the fun I had with this movie. I love other films like the Chinese "Hero" too, you can almost hear how a medieval author would describe the deeds of mythical heroes and gods when watching these
I think if your going to go crazy and be unrealistic, just fully embrace it. As long as people hold onto the idea of realism in your movie its going to detract them with every little detail if they want to nitpick it, but if you just make a clear statement you don't care and just get creative with it it becomes far more fun and it's not going to bother people as much if at all.
To me it was realistic, or rather not overbearing on my suspension ofdisbelief , since the action was fitting these demigod guys. It was a really fun and awesome film, despite the whacky storytelling
There is also an Indian terminator movie. It's as crazy as this one, but with modern weapons. It's called Endhiran, there is a second film but I haven't seen it translated yet.
@@KäptnKrückschwank so does it specifically call them demi gods or men of extraordinary strength and agility where you can go sure, realistic i can see that? or is it just normal dudes that are skilled fighters? and if it is superhumans, is it the entire army, cause all them are doing crazy stuff. cause unless it SPECIFICALLY says they are demi god or superhumans, then I'm not quite sure how you can call it realistic to any measure(aka, you cant).
@@scorpionlord9175 You can see in the first film only some character does ridiculous stuff, so i t fit the lore. In the second film on the other hand, they go full bonker
@@scorpionlord9175 No, it doesn't, but Indian mythology refers to these "old times" warriors as demi-gods, so they don't have to specify it. This is pretty much the same as those revered Chinese warriors that could jump over houses and do all kinds of gravity defying actions. You only have to believe in the mythology to have it all make sense.
Medieval India did have some of the most inventive weapons ever. I do wonder how effective some of them are though. Not just the whip sword, but also the chakram.
Chakram was more of a fantastical weapon than real life war weapon. What I mean is in Inddian epics and myths and folklore its alawys some God/goddess (like Vishnu or Durga)or Demigod who is sporting a Chakram.
@@roninforge On Deadliest Warrior they showed the chakram as a sharp edged frisbee. Like a medium ranged weapon. It was actually decent. But yea, it was not the same as the fantasy chakram you are referring to. It was like a ring of sharp edged steel that could have moderate airtime.
@@zephyrhash Chakram has both versions . Even logically, neither versions of chakram are really war weapons..may be as personal defence/stealth attacks weapon.
What do you think about hollywood? Do they make logical movies? Become spiderman by spider sting, overpowered superman, aliens like thanos talks in english, etc. Does this seems logical? Actually this movie Bahubali is from South Indian Industries called Tollywood, not bollywood. Tollywood makes everything over, over-action, over-drama, over-expressions etc. Because they make movies for entertainment purpose, not to clear the exams of physics and laws.
Dude, this is so great! Baahubali 1 & 2 are my favorite movies and permanently changed my view on Indian films forever. I'm so glad you finally discovered the movies. They are meant to be over-the-top. Full of action, romance, comedy, drama, and most of all pure epic fun.
@@Ariastyr You also need to check out movies from Malayalam and Tamil industries from Southern India,,, known for more grounded, content driven and performance oriented ones...
I will Recommend you Kumblangi Nights,Super deluxe, Drishyam, Tumbbad,3 idiots,Pk,Sardar Udham, jallikattu You will love it these are Great movies ❤️❤️❤️ Not action movies but belive me you wont Regret watching them
Never in my wildest dreams would I think that Shad would check out Bahubali but I am so glad he did lmao. I would also like to point out a tiny bit of misunderstanding from Shad's part about the mindset of the filmmakers of Bollywood and especially their Tollywood movies, its not that the actors, directors and producers are "acting" to keep everything seem serious and genuine, they are ALWAYS serious and genuine in the portrayal of the characters and setting no matter how ridiculous, stupid or over-the-top the actual plot and story might be and Bahubali being one of the biggest examples of this and I just absolutely love it. I have always said it and I will say it again, Bollywood and Tollywood movies are anime live-action adaptations done right lol.
^THIS^ It's one of the main reasons the Discworld books work so well: no matter how ludicrous the situation, the characters involved always treat it *completely seriously.* Because to them, it is.
"If its such a defensive weakness, WHY leave the trees there?" Very good question, because you think someone would have figured that out before. But it is really funny.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER He didn't say 'black race', he said 'black face' - as in the old practice of having white actors use make-up, etc to darken their skin. The director of this movie clearly decided he wanted all the bad guys to be black skinned and used this method. You can see on some of them where the dye has come off or not been applied properly.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER you don't say which youtuber & hence come off as lazy or incompetent either you are unable to look up to which channel you are watching or you mean a different youtuber in which case all points are invalid due to there being no context. As stated above Shad said "'black face" not "black race" except possibly as a joking way to point out how the in black face actors are portraying the bad guys also making all other "points" you made invalid. Unlike you i was not barking i had asked you to clarify what you meant as you left out so much needed to really understand your point, you seem to not have understood what a question mark means.
Indian history was always my FAVORITE, I was laughing so hard in history class and no one could understand why. I remember I was reading how they had these spears, but they looked at them and were like... "what if we put rockets on them?" So they tied fireworks to them, but that's not all, they then looked at them and were like, "What if we made them even worse?" And so they added, like, forks or some sort of shrapnel in them. So they ended up winning against this fortress because they caused absolute MAYHEM with these shrapnel, firework exploding spears of megadeath! The people came out the fortress screaming surrender, I mean, I would too! Damn! And just... so much crazy shit like that, where they stopped, looked at what they had, built a crazy Frankenstein weapon of random shit, and WON. India is just... awesome and overlooked. And their movies and ingenuity of adapting and creating something new is just amazing.
@@aasamspb967 heck no, hahaha. India makes all sorts of movies where the fight scenes are insanely genius in the same absurd way that's unique to them just as all regions have their own cultural fighting style that bleeds into their cinema. It's no surprise India STILL makes battle scenes as genius yet absurd as these as this is basically how they combatted war their entire history and it turns out... that was quite effective. They always looked outside the box, and it's beautiful in it's own way. We're not laughing at India when we make these types of videos showcasing their ingenuity, we're laughing at ourselves because we're too afraid to even dare to make movies this bold and cool. India is a total beast to bravely make movies like this. Movies also don't have to make real world sense, and It's refreshing to see battlescenes where that is actually kept in mind. All the respect
@@thesheeark2818 no when you said all those things I thought that you were talking about the real life history of India. I didn't knew that you were talking about the cinema.
@@aasamspb967 Oh sorry, no that was real. I can't remember which battle as I tried to link, as they certainly had... M a n y... but that was 100% real. The exploding shrapnel spears, surrender, and all. There's even a cool painting(s) of that battle, but I can't find it in google so far as again, there was so many fortress battles. You'd think "exploding spears" would narrow it down, but nope (it's mixing modern battles with historical ones so that's made the search worse)
22:18 that "ridiculously oversized mace" is called A 'Goda' . Its wielded basically by Indian Demigods. Yes its ridonculus. But there actually was a battle version of this weapon : called A "Mudgar". Even today traditional Indian wrestlers use Mudgars to train their muscles. P.S This movie version is clearly inspired from Goda and European Flail. Edit : thanks 100 likes
To note, the devices at 11:00 bear a passing resemblance to the Korean(?) "Hwacha", which was a rocket-propelled-arrow launching platform. Mythbusters actually tested out the idea, and while their test was lacking enough numbers to make proper data points, it was absolutely a plausible weapon.
When I was bartending in the French Quarter, I watched a guy rip his shirt off and throw it in his aggressors face as a distraction before bowling him over. I think that was the first time I ever heard "If it looks stupid but it w3orks, it ain't stupid."
hey man so who are the barbarians that are painted with darker skin than the india people with lighter skin, supposed to be? And why do you think they did that ?
@@raidermaxx2324 well I am not completely sure about it but if I have to make a speculation . Bahubali is hugely inspired from Ramayana , mahabharata & ancient Indian history where the Aryans were at war with the natives & Aryans eventually won. So my guess is that the light skinned people shown here (the heroes) are supposed to be aryans while the army of blackface are the natives of the land who are attacking these invaders (probably) who have settled on this land & made this monster sized town called "mahismati"
@BHARTIYA MAPPER Native Indians had a darker complexion than the invading Aryans . Invading Aryans won the war & became the rulers of this land (they established their own discriminatory system of casteism) .As they lived in India with the natives for thousands of years the two separate anthropological races have mixed with each other .(reason why India is multi-ethnic country) But this does not mean they were not two separate race once. You can still see the evidence of that in the skin colours of people from different parts of India . South Indian people usually have a darker skin colour than Indians in east India . The time period in which this movie is based on was a time period when the two races were not merged with each other . The barbarian hoards here are representing the native Indians which did infact have dark skin & the people of this kingdom is shown to have white skin (representing aryan rulers )
Shad keeps pointing out about the mustaches so I'm just gonna say this: In India (and to some extent, Pakistan and also Bangladesh), a mustache is seen as a status symbol for men. The more impressive your stache is, the more "noble" you're seen in your community. That's why junior policemen in India are regularly seen clean-shaven but the higher-ranked police officers have some crazy handlebars.
That may have been the case, but it's barely true now. True moustache is seen as good, but I don't know about "regularly seeing differences" man. It's a historical movie.
The crazy killing machine 25:01 is actually based on a design by the one and only Leonardo DaVinci. A show on Discovery where they build some of DaVinci's inventions did a full-scale version of it -and it was horrifying.
I also like how some of the palmtree-fired bundles of people hit the walls or just fly over them (hitting the arrow artillery or not). Nice touch of "realism" in that insanely fun craziness.
@@Spiceodog then again given they servl the landing i could totall see the ones shot over the wall just landing normally inside the city and causing chaos while the one who bound off just run back to the palm tress to do it again "i'll get in this time toss me again!"
@BHARTIYA MAPPER I thought he said 'Blackface' a paint that actors used to make themselves look darker and play darker skinned characters, which was much more common decades ago when ultra racist casting didn't allow African descent people to act. Not 'Black Race. Nowadays using skin darkening paint is offensive because it implies that the casting crew was racist and refused to hire black actors for black roles.
So fun fact. Depending on the type of palm, some can bend to the point that they can arch completely over without breaking. Some do it on their own during violent storms to prevent from blowing over. Obviously not as fast or as violently as these. But hey, it's possible.
This is what I love about Indian action movies, they’re hilariously over the top and make no attempt to try to convince you that it’s somehow supposed to be realistic, allowing them to go wild with creative and gratuitously badass scenes.
Chinese wuxia are the same. I just love when they totally ignore laws of physics (and the logic of combat) to make them fly and stand on the ends of opponents swords. And the only explanation they need is - my kung fu is just this good :D
@@agiksf.8998 Well, the masters of Kung Fu also have a knowledge of Taoist magic and they can bend the flow of Qi!!!! it is in fact magic. If you read the "Heroes of the Water Margin", a novel from the XI Century, you will already find description of over-the-top stuff done by Taoist priests. Is an awesome reading, not dull or boring at all. Highly recommended. And nice stuff for a film too!! (there was a Japanese series, I know)
Just to note, there's a far clearer way of looking at the realism equation: you set the boundaries of the realism within which you invite an audience to watch the story play out. This is a large part of drama and artistic story telling e.g. you can play a story out with shadow puppets and, if done well, completely immerse the audience in the universe of the story... Or, you can try to make a perfectly realistic CGI presentation... HOWEVER, the funny thing is, if you set the bar at perfect realism... And almost do it, but, at one point there's s tiny outline around someone from green-screening - the viewer will say: "that looks fake!" ...Whereas they would happily watch the same story played by shadow puppets and never say: "that's unrealistic, it I can see the sticks holding up the bits of paper you're pretending are people." ...In other words, realism is only required if you set the parametres of the universe you create as realistic. The important factor is making those parameters clear to the viewer so they go along with you, it can be surprising what we will believe, if this is done well. One of my favorite films, Troll Hunter, does this fantastically, its shot like a fly on the wall documentary with handheld cameras - real life - but then you get plasticene model trolls rampaging about, blatantly - while the actors play perfectly straight - and you completely believe their fear because "that's what these trolls look like." ...They would have been no more beliebable as perfectly rendered CGI models either... Because story telling immersion is not about perfect realism, its about conveying an atmosphere, drama, tensiob, a story etc.
I'm one of the very few westerners who list Baahubali as one (well, okay, technically two) of my favourite films of all time. Yes, the battles are completely unrealistic. But honestly, this entire film is utterly epic. I had the pleasure of seeing the second half in the cinema when it released, and my *Gods* is that last battle impressive when seen on a full-screen!
I liked them as well, kinda pissed that he didn't see it tbh lol. They are good movies. First film better imo. Second one is kinda dragging when they go to that weird country for half the film, although that battle is also epic.
These kind of action scenes are exactly how I used to write and draw epic fantasy battles, when I was 12. I can't believe someone actually put them on screen.
@@scratchy996 They aren't retard movies either lol. If you love the goofy action there is a serious plot in there also. AND if you can withstand the SINGING. It's Indian lore he is Vishnu incarnate and the brother is Shiva lol it's no joke great movies! Vishnus previous avatar fails and his son has to reclaim the kingdom, I'm serious it's badass!
The scene which you are saying radiculous is one of the best scene in this movie : His mother prays lord Shiva , in order to complete her wish she pours river water on shivling , by doing this process she was getting exhausted His son lift that shivling which is very very heavy and puts it inside the river , so by this , his mother don't have to travel between shivling & river
That chariot with the whirling blade in front of it is cutting edge technology ! Plus its got a beautiful lion head piece in the front. I think the producers of this film may have seen 300 and said to themselves, " We can do better." Sometimes over the top is the best way to go.
This reminds of the game "Sunless Sea" and the special weapon you can build called "Icarus in Black" that can kill most monsters in one shot (and only damages monsters, not ships) where the ammo is "doomed monster hunters." Basically you're firing some guy out of a cannon with a harpoon in each hand probably screaming "WITNESS ME".
Now this reminds Jets'n'Guns and its SuperHero launcher. Basically a weapon that uses a Superman-like hero (and after a few upgrades his Arch-Nemesis) by cloning him and then firing him at the enemy.
The Bahubali films are some of my favorite films. They're actually really great movies that establish this sort of modern myth akin to Hercules. They're just super creative and genuine.
@@necroticneurons9555 he believes the stare should be in control of the economy and is obsessed with race outside of comics and stuff. Rekeita law actually did a pretty good job explaining it.
Well, it seems you've reached the point you have dissenters everywhere you go, JSG. Double down and go nuts? Or step back and figure out what's gone wrong? Your choice.
1:53 If you watch the director's commentary for "Final Fantasy: Advent Children", the direction for the choreography was (and I quote) "We didn't care if it was possible, as much as if it was cool". This is a great way to do video game, fantasy, and anime movies, and this movie qualifies as all 3.
I love fantasy with hard rules the characters follow personally but if you're not going to do that Bollywood is way better than a Hollywood action movie pretending to be serious and logical
Both movies are awesome. They are on Netflix here in America. By the way the antagonist is the same in both movies. The while "black face" army was just a minor battle for them. They are not the main bad guy. The first move sets up the conflict and the second one ends it.
11:01 The Koreans have a similar 15th Century artillery called Hwacha. If my memory serves me right, it fires a barrage about 100 arrows or more. They only difference is that they were using fireworks. Here's the link for more detail: ua-cam.com/video/UImDMIKEFgQ/v-deo.html
I never heard of these movies before seeing this review so I thought I'd give it a try. I was hooked quickly in the first one and immediately watched the second part the next day. I'll admit it might seem to be over the top at times, but it's meant to be that way. These aren't just normal humans we're talking about. Not just the men but even the women in this movie have seemingly superhuman strengths. If you take away the parts of the movie that defy physics its underlying themes are ones that have been part of practically every culture and used to be highly valued. Some of these themes being the role of a man, chivalry, respecting your parents and ancestors, how men and women are expected to treat each other, the duty and character of a king, duty and loyalty of servants (yes, there are slaves in this movie, but I'm not condoning slavery), the relationship between God and Man, how men can become like God without being a god by becoming the right kind of man, encouraging masculinity and femininity in the right context, leaders inspiring people through their faith in them and their actions, as well as sacrifice to name a few at the surface level. Take the beginning of one battle scene. The prince's army was going to sacrifice an animal so that God would bless them in the battle. The prince stopped this and said something along the lines of "Don't spill the blood of this innocent animal, my blood should be sacrifice enough for god.". His brother (in the same army) didn't mind spilling the blood of his own soldiers or civilians if they were between him and the savage army king (death blade chariot for example). As for the backstabbing scene, one could make the argument that this slave could have disobeyed the kill order (he probably should have and recognized that later), but his ancestors made a pledge to always obey and protect the king. He thought he was honoring his ancestors and his people by fulfilling his duty despite being morally opposed to the orders. For centuries civilizations have been built on people's loyalty and sense of duty. Everyone has a role to fulfill to their family and to their country and civilizations have fallen when people abandon principles such as these. There is a point at which you need to decide if what your people expect of you is the moral or just thing to do, and are you willing to accept the consequences of stepping away. The prince who should have been king was exiled because he made promises he wouldn't break, principles he wouldn't abandon. He was also not in a position to stand up against the corruption within the state and thought that by yielding temporarily things might work out. The people would not accept his yielding and he ultimately had to be killed by the false king because of the threat he represented. Then the redemption arc of the prince's son throughout both movies. He thought he was on a journey to get a girlfriend, which he did and they hooked up in a kid friendly way (we get it, she lost her virginity to him the waterfall of red flowers was a bit silly). Really he was on a journey to save his father (figuratively), destroy the corrupt regime, ascend the throne and restore order. It's a classic story told a million time over, but it's an important one that most men go through in life. It's a beautiful, goofy, epic with serious themes weaved throughout that men should have been taught but seem to be forgetting now. Unfortunately, Netflix plans to make its own prequel series.
A man being a good man, a hero, are what legends such as these are made of. Overtime through retelling of the story some events and circumstances suffer a little embellishment. This movie certainly embellished some things and, like you, I enjoyed the embellishments. Note: I've read some ancient Indian epics, but I've never come across this story. I don't know if it's a more modern creation or is it loosely based on some of the old stories. If anyone knows I'd be interested in reading it.
To be fair to Gimili and Aragorn, historically there are instances on one or two men holding off an army. For example, the three romans who held the bridge over the Tiber while the Roman army destroyed it (I forget their names) or the legendary Centurion Marcus Cornelius Scaeva. So that isn't too rediculous.
Or the lone, nameless, axe-wielding Viking on Stamford bridge in 1066, holding off the English Army of Harold Godwinson and buying precious minutes for his comrades.
@@Hermandari Exactly. And the angle of the walkway makes it so the Uruk-Hai archers wouldn't be able to hit them from the ground. The ones on the walkway also didn't have their pikes. So while incredible, it's not really that unrealistic. The two doing it are both legendary warriors, Aragorn being near superhuman Dunedain and being a notoriously excellent warrior, and Gimili being also a renowned warrior and a Dwarf to boot. In the book, Eomer is there with them, adding a third legendarily skilled warrior to the group, and the whole time both in the book and movie Legolas and the Rohan archers are laying down fire from the keep, keeping the orks pinned down and occasionally sniping them when they start getting too close to landing a hit. All in all... I think it's a reasonably well done fight that isn't all that unrealistic. Crazier things have happened irl.
@@huntclanhunt9697 In the books, Aragorn's sword also glowed very brightly, which probably had three benefits: it's hard to fight when you can't see; orcs don't like bright lights with the possible exception of fire; glowing weapons are magical and built by Elves or possibly ancient Numenorians, who were really good at making swords and using them to kill lots of orcs, and most of them didn't shine nearly as bright as his, meaning his was probably more powerful and dangerous.
Without seeing the movie, I actually do think launching humans at the enemy could be devastatingly effective. Especially of said humans are enemy combatants (or civilians, if you're an evil sod), preferably ones that are still alive. Having your still living countrymen or fellow soldiers hurled at you via catapult would be tremendously demoralizing and shake up the nerves quite a lot.
@@Dudldom or just any time that was done irl. Ppl have catapulted plague ridden corpses into besieged fortresses/towns etc. Decapitated heads is nothing :)
that was actually done around the mediterranean and europe between ancient and medieval times. POWs, heads, sick, plague victims, dead bodies, cattle, you name it. And yes, it did work. And was abso fricking lutely SICK.
Okay, Telugu fella here, allow me to shed a bit of light. It’s been years since I’ve seen this movie, so I’ll try my best. 7:16 Context here is that idol is part of a ritual being performed, where at some point it needed to be showered in water (to be cleansed, I believe). At some point, bringing water to cleanse it becomes impossible, so Shiva (being played by Prabhas here) decides “screw it, I’ll bring the idol to the waterfall instead”. 8:06 This battle that is about to occur is actually a test for the two brothers, to see which should have a claim over the kingdom. The current king has a bias towards Bahubali’s brother, and so provided with all the modern and fancy technology at the time, while Bahubali was stuck with spears, arrows and grunts. Even the grunts realised they might not survive, hence the rousing speech. 8:55 Honestly, I’ve got nothing for this. Savage tribes were definitely a thing in Ancient India, but surely the director (SS Rajamouli) knew what he was doing, right? At the very least, the “savage tribe” here is actually really smart, and use all sorts of tactics (best one being lining the front line with enemy hostages) to mess with their opposition. 29:59 More context. The assignment here is to bring the leader of the opposition ALIVE. The reward is, of course, the throne to the kingdom. 31:31 Shad, I need to explain this a bit. On-screen right now is Shiva, who’s the SON of Bahubali. Shiva here, is trying to rescue his biological mother, who’s been held captive ever since Bahubali was assassinated. In Indian movies, I have something called the BBP (Bollywood Breaking Point), where if a movie gets too ridiculous, I don’t feel inclined to take it seriously. 32:49 was that breaking point in this film for me. With all that being said and done, both movies had a combined budget of $50 million USD, so they actually accomplished quite a lot with that limited budget. These two movies, despite their shenanigans, are basically GOATed Indian movies. Practically EVERY INDIAN currently living has either seen this movie or know about it, which is no small feat. With all intents and purposes, most Indian ACTION movies are like this. If you want grounded movies with interesting characters, those exist too, my favourites being 3 Idiots, Dangal and Bomarillu.
This movie is awesome. Indian stories are wonderful and some of their myths are just kinda proto-anime. Two early examples from the Mahabharata: there's a warrior early on who is dropped as a baby and subsequently crushes the mountain under him then at some point later a king of some variety is bitten by approximately a googolplex snakes and lives. Lord of the Rings gets away with a bit of nonsense by being mostly grounded fantasy and the fact that Legolas has been doing this for like 3000 years. If a Skyrim movie were ever made, this would be the best way to capture its (lack of) physics.
There's a bit of realism in the palm tree catapult scene; one of the shield groups hits below the top of the wall and it breaks apart and the soldiers fall (33:22). Looks like even Indian movies acknowledge the fact that weapons can't be 100 accurate all the time!
How aren't the solders being catapulted like that not end up like rotten tomatoes on the wall of a bad comedy show? I cant find how that is possible I mean you have to be superhuman just to survive landing with out breaking every bone in your body and turning your brain into mush as it bounces inside your skull.
Red cliff is brilliant. Particularly how the prince gets the arrows he promised and comes up short by ten. His head is on the line. Then someone saves the day.
I saw the first movie in the theater in California. Amazing movie. Totally Lord of rings level. A truly great story as well. Back stabbing, self sacrifice to do what is right, honor, what makes one a good king, the themes go on and on. Couldn’t recommend enough.
Shad, I wouldn’t have called the Urumi, the whip sword, a “dumb weapon” as per your words. The urumi is good for individual combat, it is a specialized weapon that takes years of training to master. But a skilled individual could fight multiple opponents off, especially so when you can also wield two of them. They can be designed with one blade to used as a belt for concealment and be used in an emergency should it arise, such as an ambush or failed assassination when you don’t want to have a clearly visible weapon on you. Given its design, you could use it to go around shields and still hit a target. If you want to go more extravagant, there are urumi that have many blades on them, as much as twenty if I recall, I could be wrong, but there are some with many blades on them. It is just one of those weapons that are so specialized that it requires good training to use them efficiently, so if we were to say give the weapon to someone like you who has a wider range of knowledge and training in other weapons (though you may not be a master of these weapons) you aren’t going to use such weapons well, so it is useless to you. It is like Asian weapons such as Chinese weapons, some of which are so specialized in their use and how they are used that they require some time to train with in order to at least be proficient in using it, not even being a master of it yet. It is like the nunchaku, it requires a little bit of training to be proficient at it, but given its simple design, you can use it with some simple attacks, just don’t try anything stupid with it, given you aren’t trained to use it well, nor use it fast. Think about it, you have gangs, western ethnic gangs that use nunchaku that use them fairly well since they have practiced using them for some time that newer members get that founded knowledge and practices to better be proficient in its use, and given it is a small weapon that can be folded, it makes for a decent concealed weapon during the time of its heavier use by some western gangs. Shad, I hope that when you call a weapon dumb, you point out that it is dumb to use it for someone not trained in it, nor someone who has more general training with many other weapons, using a specialized weapon is much more difficult unless how it is used is more conventional and simple, such being the rapier and katana, both being designed to be the best at what they are designed to do, and I am sure you know what I mean, but those who don’t get it, the rapier is really good at thrusting and fairly good at piercing, while the katana is really good at slashing and making really good cuts. If isn’t the case of you calling it dumb just because you think so, but more rather you are using sarcasm and have similar thoughts as to an earlier text in my comment, then please be more literal, many people today may not get your sarcasm which is why some arguments still occur in the world over some topics. Topics that were already covered and ended get brought up again because people are too literal and may not understand other factors involved, and so forth. Such topics such as the argument of the long sword vs the katana, which you made a video on them not being a fairly comparable weapons, so the argument topic isn’t really a good topic to argue about. I still find people who are clueless and don’t understand, that still argue such a topic when something better could be compared and argued about… (Note for others, I hope this is liked enough for shad to see, I want to find out his thoughts so that I can better understand shad more so that should other factors come in for videos and topics to be discussed, less can be said since there is already an understanding of thinking, covering a topic or conversation faster…) Edit: the arrow thing, I think is suppose to reference something like the Hwacha, but it isn’t using rockets to propel the arrows.
It can only fend off several opponents if those opponents have no armor or other protection and are afraid of getting a bad cut. Urumi can't inflict really serious wounds like broken bones or cut through metal armor or shields. It's like a long razor blade, all sharpness, no mass. It also can't be used to parry or thrust. Its only advantages are length and concealability. And since it only flexes sideways (if it flexed both ways, it wouldn't cut) then even if you did cut deeply enough to require more than some stitches, you'd have a hard time recovering your weapon in time to fend off the person you wounded, let alone another opponent, because the blade would be all floppy. It requires centripetal force to be straight enough to be useful, but can't curl around an enemy's weapon or shield. All the disadvantages of a flail without any of the advantages. Considering the amount of time it takes to master--or even use effectively--and its _severe_ limitations, it's a pretty stupid weapon when you could just become a master (or even above-average) swordsman or something and be much more effective. Heck, if you need concealability, even a knife or a Chinese "meteor hammer" would be better, and the meteor hammer is pretty dubious itself.
@@Bacteriophagebs Plenty of cotton balls can explode modern tanks. If you accelerate them to 1c. The minor issue are, that 1 the cotton balls are not going to survive that and 2 no one can accelerate them that much with his arms. So - invulnerable to cuts? yes. invulnerable to stabs or to cutting into gaps?Almost and no. Swords are nimble their balance is usually towards the handle. They are obivously not meant to cut metal armor. They are meant to be used against the gaps.
@@szarekhthesilent2047 Excuse me while I facepalm. From Sword Buyer's Guide: "Actually, a lot of swords can cut chain mail on a good hit. Chain mail would have stopped the limb from being severed outright, and would have worked perfectly on a glancing blow (that would otherwise have you bleeding all over the place) - but it was hardly impenetrable." There are also _numerous_ videos of people cutting maille with swords on UA-cam, with exactly the results described in that quote. Even one-handed cutting blades like Viking longswords and gladii could cut maille. Most maille was soft iron or mild steel (think coat-hanger metal). A decent sword could cut that, it just couldn't cut nearly as deeply after doing so. The urumi would do nothing to maille.
I actually watched this movie a couple years ago somewhat by accident, and aside from the exagerated scenes, it has a great story and plot development. it connects the ordinary and mystical extremely well in my opinion
The hwacha was a real functional weapon based on the idea of launching an entire volley of arrows at once, but it used rocket-powered arrows. In my book, that makes things even more cool.
I have seen a few recreations and I always thought they were pointless. Like 80% of the arrows just end up burying themselves in the ground and not hitting anything . And while it might frighten conscripts I can't really see it scaring anyone with an ounce of experience.
"The Indian Space Program..." ??? I honestly laughed so hard I couldn't breathe for more seconds than I thought I could last without air. Holy, er, cow! (no pun intended). This was absolutely amazing - both movies were epic on levels I never knew existed. Thanks, Shad!
To be fair, ISRO, the Indian Space agency is just fantastic. They have done some mad missions to the moon and mars for like 1/10 the money of NASA. India will get people into space before ESA (Europe).
My most favorite part of the movie : How Bahubali dies, like a King sitting like he's sitting on his throne and his hand resting on his sword. . My most favorite dialogue : When Bahubali says, ''If anyone advances towards Devsena(his pregnant wife), that means they're touching Bahubali's sword''
The multi-arrow contraption they use reminds me of the hwacha that Mythbusters tested out, using rocket-powered arrows. They found it plausible, mostly effective as an intimidation rather than true killing weapon but it could kill at range.
Both that arrow thing and the lawnmower chariot were based on antique drawings for weapons; The arrow thing is from early medieval period. The chariot is from Leonardo da Vinci.
@@writerPiCryO hwacha is Korean and yes it use gunpowder. By both Japanese and Korean war records of the Imjin War, we know the hwacha was an effective weapon although, the ultimate victory of Korea has more to do with Admiral Yi sinking the Japanese fleet on repeat, while being MASSIVELY out numbered and out guned. You know when 12 ships destroy a 140 ship fleet, the Admiral is a true badass.
@@nathanc939 it was an effective weapon because the Japanese had dense infantry formations with a distinct lack of shields. Against European armies it night not have had as big of an effect. "Sinking the Japanese fleet on repeat" is utterly hilarious because not only is it true, but also because it was on such a scale that it actually halted the advance of the Japanese army.
@@inventor121 Shields were very much on the way out in Europe, at least in mainland Europe. Also the Japanese actualy used shields, but it is true that it was not as proeminent as in other regions of the world. As for what I said about Europe, shield had been on the decline since the 14th century as armor got better and better. Levies mostly used it still, but not pike formations, which were taking over. You see, while the richer people were being covered in more and more plates, the wealth of everyone was drastically increasing in Europe, meaning peasants could not usually afford decent fabric armour. Brigandine even began being used by commoners (to some extent), so shields were not nearly as necessary, plus heavy cavalry and pike formations were dominating more and more. A shield does not really help against a charging knight on his horse and pikes became so proeminent because the cavalry was and using a shield with a pike does not work so well. In anycase, close to 1600, in Europe it was pike and shot formations and heavy cavalry dominating the fields, so shields were not really common, at least not personnal shields (stationary ones were used, but that is also very much true for Japan). The difference is that Europe used cannons MUCH MUCH more than Japan, which did out range hwacha, but so did the Korean, except Korea mostly used it for navies (which plays a big part in Yi stomping on the Japanese, as the Japanese did not have cannons on their boats and were thus massively out ranged). In anycases, a hwacha would likely have been less effective against an European army, not because of shields, which were out of usage, but because of the more proeminent use of artillery and artillery barrages, which plays the same role as the Hwacha did in battles, but from a longer range (with a lower density of projectiles). This does not mean the hwacha would not have been effective though, as it still likely had a better shock value when used well, due to the ammount of projectiles comming down.
We watched this movie at my friend's bachelor party. It was glorious. There was much amusement and amazement at how over-the-top it was, as well as some head-scratching (mostly due to unfamiliarity with many of the cultural and mythical references). Nevertheless, it was the first Bollywood movie I've watched, start-to-finish, and it was glorious. It's also very long.
@@vigneshkr7072 I do not. I figured that there was one large multi-cultural multi-linguistic film industry, not multiple large separate film industries.
Fact : Actually these fight sequences seems soo good if you are watching it with context instead of nonsenly critisizing it , it is fantansy film dude , they never said maheshmati is on earth . by your logic even ironman is illogical , he literally have booster on legs and he fly horizontaly !
Indian soap operas: allow us to introduce ourselves. Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE Indian soap operas: allow us to introduce ourselves. Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but in slow motion Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but zoomed in Indian soap operas: allow us to introduce ourselves. Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but with a camera pan and zoom in Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but with a camera pan from the other direction and zoom in Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but with colour inversion Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE and the screen shatters Indian soap operas: allow us... Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but rapidly zooming in and out Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but in black and white Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but panning and zooming in while the camera rotates and colour inverts and the screen shatters
"It's so interesting that back in the day, we didn't have the concept of war crimes." I think there were rules about different Christian countries fighting other Christian countries and different Muslim countries fighting other Muslim countries and also fighting peoples of the book. I don't think there were many generalized, humanistic rules though.
War crimes definitely did exist and were frowned upon e.g. killing the prisoners at Agincourt, massacring a garrison or populace when they surrendered at the start. It was just that certain things were acceptable for example killing or looting troops and civilians of a city or castle that refused to surrender and needed to be taken by storm. If you get taken by assault quarter is optional. Burning churches or breaching sanctuary areas such as churches was also strongly frowned upon in Christian Europe.
@@nath9091 The bombing of the cathedral at Tours, France was a huge propaganda plus in WWI, for both sides. The German army accused the French of using it as a military base and storage, making it a legitimate target. Meanwhile, the French accused the Germans of reckless historical vandalism.
You missed the part where the hero and villan fight 1v1 in the end, they tumble all around the city resulting in the fall of a 200 - 300 feet tall statue. It's like Hulk vs thor but more damage less power.
12:10 About the arrow throwing machine. Today i went to visit the Almodovar Castle in Córdoba (Spain) and there was a picture at the museum that showed a replica of a warmachine similiar to the one seen on the move. However, there were significant differences: -It only had capacity for 3 arrows -The spring mechanism was made of rope (like the roman ballista) -The arm that hits the arrows was slightly curved
@BHARTIYA MAPPER there's a social-political weirdness happening in several Western countries at the moment. People who aren't white-European are not allowed to be presented as anything but perfect angels. This has led to newspapers stopping reporting the race of criminals committing violent crimes, but also means that showing non-whites as antagonists is frowned upon. We also get weird, historical dramas with tons of black and asian people in them, even when there weren't any in that time and place (there was even one where a Queen of England was played by a black actress, though that may have been because her husband was the director, iirc).
@@Senbei01 Judging by Bhartiya's literal copy and paste posts, you're responding to either a bot, or somebody with too much time and outrage. But you made a good post anyway.
I stumbled upon these movies on Netflix, and basically had the exact same reaction as you. Throughout the entire movie I was thinking "This is AMAZING. This shouldn't be so good. Why is this so AMAZING??!" Haha.
Actually, I made a Haggis Madrasa few months back. It was the best Madras I've ever tasted, and instead of Keema Naan, I've done a Haggis Naan, which is also absolutely epic!
@BHARTIYA MAPPER That literally has no relevance to my comment. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend. Perhaps your comment should be posted on the main comment section, where it would make some kind of sense.
At the 24:27 mark, The double-sided lance is historical. At Gaugamela, Alexander's Companion Cavalry used lances with a spear head and a counterweight on the other end for balance. If the spear was broken or damaged, the counterweight which also had a spear head could be used.
Lances/spears with a spike at the "bottom" end were quite common. They were used as counterweights, to stabilize a dug-in spear, and, most crucially, to stab at fallen, yet still alive enemies below your feet while advancing with your troops. War is brutal, and that goes doubly for armed melee.
Because it's just something completely different for a change. And in these cases, 'ridiculous' is meant affectionately, not as an insult. I, personally, genuinely enjoy the approach to action this film (and Indian action movies in general) take. It's fun and creative, that's all we're saying.
18:00 Can you imagine how many hours they spent chiseling those catapult stones into that perfectly smooth stone kettlebell shape with the indent for the handle and everything? Each one of those would be like a priceless artifact for the time (which I _presume_ is pre industrial given the weapons and armor).
Back then, labor was cheap, it was materials that were expensive. There's not much more labor required to shape one of those balls than to shape the stones used in some fortifications like the walls of Constantinople, and there were _thousands_ of stones in those walls. Would it be worth it for a projectile? No, but it would be far from a priceless artifact.
I saw the group that ate the side of the wall too. Poor guys. Judging by how everyone lands though they might just get up again and give it another go.
This was an epic movie. I remember my mom showing it to me because she was watching a lot of Indian movies at the time. I loved this and the movie Rowdy Rathore.
Oh boy, I remember when I first saw clips of that movie. I was conflicted; it felt both absolutely preposterous and genius. Perhaps a person with a bit of tact would be able to get some of the less outlandish things in this movie and make them work on a more realistic and serious scenario.
@@B..B. Imagine how cool it would be to deconstruct and find ways to make it more realistic tho. I feel like that would be really cool if applied in such a manner to a different work that isn't as Theologically esoteric. So cool
@@UXMetalVTuber well since first time I have seen I hope someone take inspiration in this movie and make something realistic with that level of epic. But realism in movies don't make great scenes. The sad truth but the idea is cool indeed
@@B..B. the charge off the rohirrim in lotr isn't too unrealistic and it still is one of the best scenes I've experienced. I think a good story could be made by taking baahubali ad making it more realistic. But do I want it? No because it would take away what's so great about it and make it more generic
The oversized mace was sort of a real thing. Its name (which I don't know) translates to "mellon-hammer", and the head was hollow; usually with a couple small (think golf ball size) metal balls inside it; like a bell / giant baby rattle. No idea if it was ever used in actual battles. But, while they would have been rare, they did exist. I've read that there were bodyguards who carried them. So, likely they were more for intimidation and symbology, than actual function. As for hidden flail-like mechanisms; that was an entirely different historical mace; which I think only diagrams-of still exist; don't know if there is a surviving physical example. Both were of Chinese origin, not Indian.
Funny you mentioned "Final Fantasy Advent Children." I watched that with my niece years ago. She marveled at the insane action. I explained to her, "If you're awesome, Physics doesn't apply to you." I love this sort of movie.
As someone with Indian family members who've talked about this sort of thing... the Blackface is kinda deliberate racism. As a culture they consider lighter skin tones as more attractive (especially for women) and more civilized, less rural, where as darker skin is considered primitive, bumpkin and barbaric. So the bad guys being blacker than black is on purpose.
@@mayankbisht7691 It's blatant racism, nothing subtle about it at all and I'm extremely disappointed of Shad to just dismiss it as Indians not being political correct.
The movie is an excellent introduction to Indian Mytho-History. It's unadulterated fun and so far over the top that it requires a telescope to see this movie on a clear night from the peak of the top.
That movie directed by most fameous Turkish director Umit Ozdag. He got %5 of total votes at Traditional Turkish Corraption Festival (seçim) and earn Golden Canislipus Award. Now he retired and administering tours to Syria with his own Middle Eastern tour company that named as Zafer Turizm.
oh hell yeah, I love this duology so damn much, even though it's completely outlandish and stylized. Sometimes, realism can take a back seat for Rule of Cool, and Baahubali is perhaps the definitive example.
I love your analysis Shad, and I love grounded war films. I also do love my Indian films. While some films of West get labeled as a thematic mess, Indian films solve that by going over the top and stitching the story well enough to be coherent and emotionally resonant. I knew perfectly well how stupid Indian fight scenes can be from a objective standpoint, but it's ridiculousness automatically lends it a pass and you start to vibe with it. I watched Bahubali movies(2nd one in theatre) and I shed a few tears - and they weren't tears of laughter. In my opinion it's a very good film. I have watched this movie probably a dozen times and haven't laughed at it this hard as your analysis made me. Cheers!
I remember when the second baahubali movie came out. It completely took Nigeria by storm🤣. The absolute ridiculousness of it all appealled so well to me and my friends😹
This is a great movie. You need to actually read. One confusing thing when you only watch is that one actor plays two roles. Half of the movie is in flashback and he is playing his father for that half. That also is why some of the characters shift to having white mustaches and beards.
The white hair is one way to tell, but Baahubali Sr also has a full beard while Junior (Shivudu) has just the mustache. It was a keen thing to include.
This is so outrageous; I Love it! It actually shows real creativity showing combat in such a crazy way, and most of the time, that is what movies are for: escapism at it's finest! I need to find these 2 movies for myself.
Baahubali 1 and 2 are both unironically my most favourite movies of all time, they’re just so much fun to watch yknow like its just hard to not have fun watching it, its so over the top and “anime” with a surprising amount of really hype badass moments where i genuinely jaw dropped and just screamed “lEtS fUcKinG gOoOOo” in my head
The arrow launcher thing might have been based on Korean Hwacha: "a multiple rocket launcher and an organ gun of similar design which were developed in fifteenth century Korea. The former variant fired one or two hundred rocket-powered arrows while the latter fired several dozen iron-headed arrows or bolts out of gun barrels." *edit - also if you're looking for another stupid cool movie, might wanna check out Red Cliff!
The Hwacha(known as 一窝蜂 for the chinese) is a gunpowder based weapon, not something that was shown like this. The multi-shot-crossbow also doesn't operate like this.
@@raynightshade8317 The level which the film depics, obliviously, but comparing to the Hwacha, the two are actually quite comparable.(people get the idea that they are not is that one is depicted as a military construct whilst the other is a weapon. )But the "Swap of Bees" had versions which requires many soldiers to use, possibly influencing the later Hwacha
Shad X Baahubali Triology, the crossover I never knew I wanted. I'm all for it. As a viewer of your channel for quite some time, I'd say you'd enjoy this movie coz it's a pretty good fantasy film, ridiculous battle sequences aside, speaking of which, you missed an even more insane battle scene from the second movie. Oh wait, it's just two movies, I guess that makes it a Biology.
I love Indian movies, man. You have movies in the west explaining why a guy could fight foreign military personnel because he has superhuman superpowers given to him by aliens. While they have multiple waves of heavily-armed mafia gang members being decimated by a registered accountant.
India tends to take the “if it’s worth doing, it’s worth overdoing” approach to filmmaking and I love them for it.
This is technically Tollywood
This is not from Bollywood. India has hundreds of languages and most of them have their own movie industries.
... and I love them for this!
@@sleepyboi2232 Tollywood?
@@IamBlackToast It is not Hindi, it is instead filmed with the primary dilect of Telgu. My friend Vishnu had us watch this movie, and it slaps
In India, it's not about the perfection/realism of the scene. It is about the emotion of the scene, that's all we care. We are trained to see a movie just as a movie and completely escape into it. Bahubali is set in the time period between the Gods and Humans, hence the superhuman strength of these characters.
It´s like "Tiger and Dragon". The bamboo forest scene is Waay over the top, but it really accurately depicts what it FEELS like being in that situation.
Wait till these guys see KGF, Bahubali has some plot at-least, KGF is nothing but a graphic novel made into a film.
So kinda like Fate lol. Were Mystery boosted your attributes before the gods completely left Earth.
Good Ramayana/Bhagavad Gita movie when??
Also any good movies involving Shiva?
@@paavobergmann4920 crouching tiger hidden dragon
4:15 I read in a metallurgy book that the main/only reason Indian crucible steel (which was exported and is basically all Dark Age and medieval crucible steel) was so good, or any good, was because the ore from a couple of Indian mines happened to have vanadium in it. The crucible process distributed that vanadium evenly, making steel comparable to some modern steels.
Not that figuring out the crucible process wasn't crucial, I don't want to belittle that. It was just not much use without the right ore, which is why no one else used it until the late 1800s and why India _stopped_ using it after a while. The vanadium-rich ore ran out.
IIRC, the author said something like "It must have been extremely frustrating for Indian smiths at the time. They were using the exact same processes, but unable to get the same results because the ore simply lacked the same composition."
Before the 20th century, controlling the trace metals alloyed into steel was very difficult, if not impossible. Before the 17th-18th century, people had no way of even knowing that those trace metals existed. All they could do was work with a given ore and figure out how good it happened to be and what process to use--how much coke to add, what temperatures to use (not that they could accurately measure temperature, they had to judge it based on time in a given forge and/or the exact shade the metal glowed).
There was a similar thing with Spanish steel. Several Spanish iron mines had tungsten in the ore, making blades that held an edge better with any given forging and tempering process. It was just better ore.
This is, by the way, why the Japanese had to use their complicated forging process. They had no iron mines, so they had to import from China, who would only export iron sand, pretty much the worst possible source of iron. The Japanese had to melt the sand down in a way that added carbon but also removed the non-metallic parts, which they did by dumping the sand into the top of a tall furnace. As it melted, the iron ran across the charcoal, picking up (way too much) carbon and filtering out some of the lighter slag. Then the iron settled at the bottom with the rest of the slag and ash on top of it. Knocking a hole in bottom of the furnace let the iron flow out, leaving most of the slag behind. Then the smiths had to separate the high-carbon bits of hardened iron form the _really_ high-carbon bits and layer and fold them, then differentially harden them to make swords that wouldn't shatter _too_ easily.
This has been my TED talk.
Oooooooooo
I have learned several fascinating things today. I especially find the vanadium and tungsten in the iron ore interesting since I'm a little bit of an amateur metallurgy nerd.
Damascus steel is basically indian
I don't know why he is making fun of palm trees . I mean he have zero knowledge about them . There are so many west reviewer I have seen so far , they are dumb totally dumb . If you are making a video about such things , you should have to be sure that what are saying is on the fact . He is pretending like he know so much about physics and strength of phloem and xylem fiber of palm trees but in reality he have no idea about the flexibility and strength of palm trees . And if he think he is so smart and knowledge full man (not intelligent) , your sweet welcome in India and here you have access to show your infinite fact and question about those scenes and I bet you there is full explanation with detailed data as well as practical .
@@amtheaudience2457 Your right about what he said about the palm trees, but what he said about the battlefield tactics and weapons and stuff like that comes from knowledge that applies to any battlefield, not just one in India.
Regarding the palm trees, I heard a story from a tanker who served in Iraq that when bored tankers like to see what stuff they can run over in their tanks. Well, the only thing that this tanker was not able to crush with their 60-70 ton tank was a palm tree. The tree bent over from the tank driving over it but did not break, causing the tank to get stuck high centered on the tree. After being towed off, the tree sprang back up and looked as if nothing had happened.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER yes, but why are you writing that here, in response to a totally unrelated comment?
@@darthnihilusthebestsith it is related though. They used the palm trees for the human catapult.
Never doubt the power of Tree.
@@demoulius1529 precisely. That's got nothing to do with skin color, which what the guy I answered to was talking about
My mom grows palms for a living.
They do break.
The tall and thin Washingtonias will bend pretty nicely with WIND, but a tank would break it or uproot it. The same as a tractor. And the Fenix palms, the normal ones, these do break for sure.
"Quickly! Bring the Elephant Catapults!"
"You mean the catapults positioned over the elephant backs?"
"No, that one capable of lauching elephants!"
No, get the catapults that launch the elephants with catapults on their back!
Maybe, they could feed lots of baked beans to the elephants. Then light the farts, of said elephants, and watch them fly forth and punch holes through the walls of the castle. The rest of the army, would there upon, pour through the holes and win the day.
Legend said this weapon will later evolve into the Tankapult. A catapult that throws tanks.
@@florians9949 that fire smaller tanks!
Elephant catapults would have been a FANTASTIC idea for this over the top approach
This movie is PERFECTLY in line with India's mythology as well. I mean in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana they had things that could be compared to freaken "giant flying UFO castles with death lasers" and arrows that flew like cruise missiles for goodness sake. Their entire history and culture has just some of the most epic stuff EVER. lol.
SO YOU SAYING YOU ACTUALLY READ THAT STUFF THAT YOU SO QUOTING ABOUT !???😑😒
@@rexxbailey2764 Well yeah, I mean I'm being a bit hyperbolic about it, but yeah. In ancient Hindu texts they talk about the Vimana, essentially flying castles decorated with gold that they even have sketches of what they looked like and everything. They talk about "bow and arrows" that when shit fired heat and flames. I mean it's all up for interpretation, but that sure sounds a lot like UFOs with Lasers to me
@@chrislaws4785 @Chris L No you haven't read the original texts. You have watched televised versions of it or read Highly shortened versions.
If you read original texts, you will find very detailed descriptions of the vimanas with the structure, fuel , shape , capacity etc. A lot of studies have been done on this and the structures of vimanas have been found to be aerodynamically stable.
Also if you see detailed descriptions of the weapons mentioned, you will find eerie similarities with the kind of WMDs and missiles we have today.
@@exponentialcomplexity3051 That is LITERALLY what I was just trying to say. That they describe flying machines that are just like what people think of when they think of UFOs and they also describe things that sound a lot like lasers and missiles, with "Bows" that could fire "arrows" that would go through multiple trees or even explode into a ball of fire. They describe things both in text and drawings that are basically relatively primitive people trying to describe modern day technologies with the vocabulary they had at the time. They read like a science fiction movel...lol. And OF COURSE I haven't read the original text, I don't speak or read Sanskrit. I've read the english translations of them.
I used to watch the mahabharata series asa kid and it was epic like an old school indian superhero series
6:05 It's a lot cooler than a training scene. What he is lifting is a temple idol of Lord Shiva. You offer prayer by pouring water over it. The MC's old mum wanted her disobedient son to stop being adventurous and had to pour 10000 bowls of water as prayer. The MC didn't want his old mother risking the slippery rocks, so he removed the idol from its foundation and moved the entire temple to be under a waterfall.
In short, our boy just bench pressed God for his mum.
Putting the entire temple under a waterfall sounds like the best offering ever for this idol
This man is what everyone wants to be
@@yocats9974 You’ve heard of failing successfully? Now try blaspheming successfully!
@@MrMaradok There's no concept of 'blasphemy' in Hinduism. That's the preserve of judeo-abrahamic cults.
I'm damn sure Shiva approves of this act, piety within or without
If there's ever a live action Dynasty Warriors movie, they need to get these guys to make it. The scenes of melee fighting I can practically see the kill count reaching the triple digits with every swing.
That's what I was thinking of. Same energy.
It was already made and it's on netflix.
Red cliff is basically that
It's apparently on Netflix. ua-cam.com/video/K8pyNXNtZBM/v-deo.html
THEY MADE IT. And it is almost a perfect movie adaptation of a game. Like, it's exactly what the game would be in movie form.
33:22 Shad is so caught up in his ranting and laughing, he misses the soldier-catapult fail as a group of them just slams into the wall.
I just saw that. Well win some lose some
ua-cam.com/video/DehK_Y0TUbE/v-deo.htmlsi=R4AH2QIrDJv3FWZR
Lol, I wish he did see that
6:17 The praise to Lord Shiva scene is this: In India trying to raise the Lingam (which is a representation of Lord Shiva) is extremely difficult. It'd be like multiple swords in the rock and trying to push it out. As far I understand our hero removing the Shiva Lingam is a miracle. Think of Captain America trying to pull Thor's Hammer - this is a more magical/supernatural thing.
I read Lingam Ligma and burst out laughing
The main character is the literal avatar of a god, the whole thing is like a fairy tale or epic. Nothing makes really sense but that is not the point
@@ryuk9414 lool
@@anonymusincognito7956 exactly it was never meant to be realistic in the first place
@@MedjayofFaiyum that is the fun I had with this movie. I love other films like the Chinese "Hero" too, you can almost hear how a medieval author would describe the deeds of mythical heroes and gods when watching these
I think if your going to go crazy and be unrealistic, just fully embrace it. As long as people hold onto the idea of realism in your movie its going to detract them with every little detail if they want to nitpick it, but if you just make a clear statement you don't care and just get creative with it it becomes far more fun and it's not going to bother people as much if at all.
To me it was realistic, or rather not overbearing on my suspension ofdisbelief , since the action was fitting these demigod guys. It was a really fun and awesome film, despite the whacky storytelling
There is also an Indian terminator movie. It's as crazy as this one, but with modern weapons. It's called Endhiran, there is a second film but I haven't seen it translated yet.
@@KäptnKrückschwank so does it specifically call them demi gods or men of extraordinary strength and agility where you can go sure, realistic i can see that?
or is it just normal dudes that are skilled fighters?
and if it is superhumans, is it the entire army, cause all them are doing crazy stuff.
cause unless it SPECIFICALLY says they are demi god or superhumans, then I'm not quite sure how you can call it realistic to any measure(aka, you cant).
@@scorpionlord9175 You can see in the first film only some character does ridiculous stuff, so i t fit the lore. In the second film on the other hand, they go full bonker
@@scorpionlord9175 No, it doesn't, but Indian mythology refers to these "old times" warriors as demi-gods, so they don't have to specify it.
This is pretty much the same as those revered Chinese warriors that could jump over houses and do all kinds of gravity defying actions.
You only have to believe in the mythology to have it all make sense.
Indian action movies
Physics: 0%
Awesomeness: 100%
You dont need reality to making films, you need entertainment
What is physics?
Fast & Furious, Spiderman, Mission Impossible these are physics newton have died listening this, haha 😂 !!!!
Ever heard of fast and furious?
Ff is laughing in the corner
Marvel, DC, F&F and tons of Hollywood movies 😂.. Even that scene in Spiderman 2 where hero stops train with threads from hands 😂
Medieval India did have some of the most inventive weapons ever. I do wonder how effective some of them are though. Not just the whip sword, but also the chakram.
Both types would act like daggers: handheld ones like a cqc weapon but with more blade, and thown ones like the name says.
Chakram was more of a fantastical weapon than real life war weapon. What I mean is in Inddian epics and myths and folklore its alawys some God/goddess (like Vishnu or Durga)or Demigod who is sporting a Chakram.
@@roninforge On Deadliest Warrior they showed the chakram as a sharp edged frisbee. Like a medium ranged weapon. It was actually decent. But yea, it was not the same as the fantasy chakram you are referring to. It was like a ring of sharp edged steel that could have moderate airtime.
@@zephyrhash Chakram has both versions . Even logically, neither versions of chakram are really war weapons..may be as personal defence/stealth attacks weapon.
Chakrams were like flying dish pummels. ;)
War darts were better, but lacked the embarrassment factor.
Cinematically it's a *masterpiece.*
Logically it's a _fever dream._
*_I love it._*
Fever dream masterpiece?
emotionally, I love it.
What do you think about hollywood? Do they make logical movies?
Become spiderman by spider sting, overpowered superman, aliens like thanos talks in english, etc. Does this seems logical?
Actually this movie Bahubali is from South Indian Industries called Tollywood, not bollywood. Tollywood makes everything over, over-action, over-drama, over-expressions etc. Because they make movies for entertainment purpose, not to clear the exams of physics and laws.
Shad needs to watch Kung Fury here on youtube. Even though it's (mostly) not historical weapons.
@@nareshkumar3526 my guy those are sci fi movies they are supposed to be ridiculous
Dude, this is so great! Baahubali 1 & 2 are my favorite movies and permanently changed my view on Indian films forever. I'm so glad you finally discovered the movies. They are meant to be over-the-top. Full of action, romance, comedy, drama, and most of all pure epic fun.
Now watch RRR, bahubali team's latest work. Its on netflix
@@riseroarrevolt4212 I'll check it out! I've heard of it, but haven't seen it.
@@Ariastyr it’s actually better shot than bahubali..rrr is a phenomenon
@@Ariastyr You also need to check out movies from Malayalam and Tamil industries from Southern India,,, known for more grounded, content driven and performance oriented ones...
I will Recommend you
Kumblangi Nights,Super deluxe, Drishyam, Tumbbad,3 idiots,Pk,Sardar Udham, jallikattu
You will love it these are Great movies ❤️❤️❤️
Not action movies but belive me you wont Regret watching them
Never in my wildest dreams would I think that Shad would check out Bahubali but I am so glad he did lmao. I would also like to point out a tiny bit of misunderstanding from Shad's part about the mindset of the filmmakers of Bollywood and especially their Tollywood movies, its not that the actors, directors and producers are "acting" to keep everything seem serious and genuine, they are ALWAYS serious and genuine in the portrayal of the characters and setting no matter how ridiculous, stupid or over-the-top the actual plot and story might be and Bahubali being one of the biggest examples of this and I just absolutely love it. I have always said it and I will say it again, Bollywood and Tollywood movies are anime live-action adaptations done right lol.
^THIS^
It's one of the main reasons the Discworld books work so well: no matter how ludicrous the situation, the characters involved always treat it *completely seriously.* Because to them, it is.
"If its such a defensive weakness, WHY leave the trees there?"
Very good question, because you think someone would have figured that out before. But it is really funny.
"Throne Of Blood" (Japanese version of Hamlet) the heroes cut down the nearby trees, carries them to the fort, well...
@BHARTIYA MAPPER what?
@BHARTIYA MAPPER He didn't say 'black race', he said 'black face' - as in the old practice of having white actors use make-up, etc to darken their skin. The director of this movie clearly decided he wanted all the bad guys to be black skinned and used this method. You can see on some of them where the dye has come off or not been applied properly.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER Define hypocritical.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER you don't say which youtuber & hence come off as lazy or incompetent either you are unable to look up to which channel you are watching or you mean a different youtuber in which case all points are invalid due to there being no context.
As stated above Shad said "'black face" not "black race" except possibly as a joking way to point out how the in black face actors are portraying the bad guys also making all other "points" you made invalid.
Unlike you i was not barking i had asked you to clarify what you meant as you left out so much needed to really understand your point, you seem to not have understood what a question mark means.
Indian history was always my FAVORITE, I was laughing so hard in history class and no one could understand why. I remember I was reading how they had these spears, but they looked at them and were like... "what if we put rockets on them?" So they tied fireworks to them, but that's not all, they then looked at them and were like, "What if we made them even worse?" And so they added, like, forks or some sort of shrapnel in them. So they ended up winning against this fortress because they caused absolute MAYHEM with these shrapnel, firework exploding spears of megadeath! The people came out the fortress screaming surrender, I mean, I would too! Damn! And just... so much crazy shit like that, where they stopped, looked at what they had, built a crazy Frankenstein weapon of random shit, and WON. India is just... awesome and overlooked. And their movies and ingenuity of adapting and creating something new is just amazing.
You're joking, right?
@@aasamspb967 heck no, hahaha. India makes all sorts of movies where the fight scenes are insanely genius in the same absurd way that's unique to them just as all regions have their own cultural fighting style that bleeds into their cinema. It's no surprise India STILL makes battle scenes as genius yet absurd as these as this is basically how they combatted war their entire history and it turns out... that was quite effective. They always looked outside the box, and it's beautiful in it's own way.
We're not laughing at India when we make these types of videos showcasing their ingenuity, we're laughing at ourselves because we're too afraid to even dare to make movies this bold and cool. India is a total beast to bravely make movies like this. Movies also don't have to make real world sense, and It's refreshing to see battlescenes where that is actually kept in mind. All the respect
@@thesheeark2818 no when you said all those things I thought that you were talking about the real life history of India. I didn't knew that you were talking about the cinema.
@@aasamspb967 Oh sorry, no that was real. I can't remember which battle as I tried to link, as they certainly had... M a n y... but that was 100% real. The exploding shrapnel spears, surrender, and all. There's even a cool painting(s) of that battle, but I can't find it in google so far as again, there was so many fortress battles. You'd think "exploding spears" would narrow it down, but nope (it's mixing modern battles with historical ones so that's made the search worse)
@@thesheeark2818 hmm
22:18 that "ridiculously oversized mace" is called A 'Goda' . Its wielded basically by Indian Demigods. Yes its ridonculus. But there actually was a battle version of this weapon : called A "Mudgar". Even today traditional Indian wrestlers use Mudgars to train their muscles.
P.S This movie version is clearly inspired from Goda and European Flail.
Edit : thanks 100 likes
Not to mention,it was also a favorite weapons of the Mughals who adopted an iron spike version of it .
@@patriotenfield3276 really? You sure not talking about morning stars?
Iron Sheik had those!
One of those was used by the French guy in Onimusha 3.
there were several Devine based weapon designs, (Leader of Black-faced army), wielded Shiva's spear, or Trident
These guys could make a 40K show. They'd perfectly capture the insanity of the Orks.
XD
To note, the devices at 11:00 bear a passing resemblance to the Korean(?) "Hwacha", which was a rocket-propelled-arrow launching platform. Mythbusters actually tested out the idea, and while their test was lacking enough numbers to make proper data points, it was absolutely a plausible weapon.
well those still were rocket propelled not slapped out so not even close to the same thing...
I can't believe I saw the childhood tactic of "throw a blanket over their face" used in an actual battle scene. I absolutely love this.
Perfectly valid tactic! ;)
Heh!, "throw a blanket over their face" nice 😂👍.
When I was bartending in the French Quarter, I watched a guy rip his shirt off and throw it in his aggressors face as a distraction before bowling him over. I think that was the first time I ever heard "If it looks stupid but it w3orks, it ain't stupid."
@@tbromwell actually that is a good and great tactic, distracting your enemy then go for the killing blow.
For real though, it's been in fencing manuals for cloak and rapier, either to hide your blade or to blind the enemy temporarily.
As an Indian , I was waiting literal years for this video . I actually ended up watching this movie in a theatre when I was young .
hey man so who are the barbarians that are painted with darker skin than the india people with lighter skin, supposed to be? And why do you think they did that ?
@@raidermaxx2324 well I am not completely sure about it but if I have to make a speculation . Bahubali is hugely inspired from Ramayana , mahabharata & ancient Indian history where the Aryans were at war with the natives & Aryans eventually won. So my guess is that the light skinned people shown here (the heroes) are supposed to be aryans while the army of blackface are the natives of the land who are attacking these invaders (probably) who have settled on this land & made this monster sized town called "mahismati"
@BHARTIYA MAPPER Native Indians had a darker complexion than the invading Aryans . Invading Aryans won the war & became the rulers of this land (they established their own discriminatory system of casteism) .As they lived in India with the natives for thousands of years the two separate anthropological races have mixed with each other .(reason why India is multi-ethnic country) But this does not mean they were not two separate race once. You can still see the evidence of that in the skin colours of people from different parts of India . South Indian people usually have a darker skin colour than Indians in east India . The time period in which this movie is based on was a time period when the two races were not merged with each other . The barbarian hoards here are representing the native Indians which did infact have dark skin & the people of this kingdom is shown to have white skin (representing aryan rulers )
@BHARTIYA MAPPER in modern India a lot of people are descendants of aryans . They ruled here for thousands of years .
@@shibalikchakraborty5344 thank you for the insight this was very informative.
Shad keeps pointing out about the mustaches so I'm just gonna say this:
In India (and to some extent, Pakistan and also Bangladesh), a mustache is seen as a status symbol for men. The more impressive your stache is, the more "noble" you're seen in your community. That's why junior policemen in India are regularly seen clean-shaven but the higher-ranked police officers have some crazy handlebars.
That may have been the case, but it's barely true now. True moustache is seen as good, but I don't know about "regularly seeing differences" man.
It's a historical movie.
Seems like a battle from a D&D game where everyone is playing a home-brew class & the DM goes all in with the "rule of cool".
"I'll allow it"
Me, the drunk DM
It's kind of like a live action anime with all the glorious over-the-topness you expect from it.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER yes, but why are you writing that here, in response to a totally unrelated comment?
Netflix live adaptations done right
Eh man, even anime is more logical then throwing ppl with catapults
@@robbagel54 Eh, depends on the anime.
@@robbagel54 yes because cutting buildings in half is "logical"
The crazy killing machine 25:01 is actually based on a design by the one and only Leonardo DaVinci. A show on Discovery where they build some of DaVinci's inventions did a full-scale version of it -and it was horrifying.
That machine is inspired from a real life bladed chariot used by indian king ajatsatru in vajji sang warr
I also like how some of the palmtree-fired bundles of people hit the walls or just fly over them (hitting the arrow artillery or not). Nice touch of "realism" in that insanely fun craziness.
yp i loved that like sure some land and kick ass but what 30% just die
Exactly! They go over the top to look cool, not solely to serve the plot
@@Spiceodog then again given they servl the landing i could totall see the ones shot over the wall just landing normally inside the city and causing chaos while the one who bound off just run back to the palm tress to do it again "i'll get in this time toss me again!"
@BHARTIYA MAPPER I thought he said 'Blackface' a paint that actors used to make themselves look darker and play darker skinned characters, which was much more common decades ago when ultra racist casting didn't allow African descent people to act.
Not 'Black Race.
Nowadays using skin darkening paint is offensive because it implies that the casting crew was racist and refused to hire black actors for black roles.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER why are you copypasting this on several comments
This is unironically the most glorious thing I have ever seen.
So fun fact. Depending on the type of palm, some can bend to the point that they can arch completely over without breaking. Some do it on their own during violent storms to prevent from blowing over. Obviously not as fast or as violently as these. But hey, it's possible.
This is what I love about Indian action movies, they’re hilariously over the top and make no attempt to try to convince you that it’s somehow supposed to be realistic, allowing them to go wild with creative and gratuitously badass scenes.
Chinese wuxia are the same. I just love when they totally ignore laws of physics (and the logic of combat) to make them fly and stand on the ends of opponents swords. And the only explanation they need is - my kung fu is just this good :D
@@agiksf.8998 Well, the masters of Kung Fu also have a knowledge of Taoist magic and they can bend the flow of Qi!!!! it is in fact magic. If you read the "Heroes of the Water Margin", a novel from the XI Century, you will already find description of over-the-top stuff done by Taoist priests. Is an awesome reading, not dull or boring at all. Highly recommended.
And nice stuff for a film too!! (there was a Japanese series, I know)
I can't help but respect that dedication to fun, sometimes it's great to have a movie that goes totally bonkers
@BHARTIYA MAPPER he said blackFace though... not black Race
Just to note, there's a far clearer way of looking at the realism equation: you set the boundaries of the realism within which you invite an audience to watch the story play out.
This is a large part of drama and artistic story telling e.g. you can play a story out with shadow puppets and, if done well, completely immerse the audience in the universe of the story... Or, you can try to make a perfectly realistic CGI presentation... HOWEVER, the funny thing is, if you set the bar at perfect realism... And almost do it, but, at one point there's s tiny outline around someone from green-screening - the viewer will say: "that looks fake!" ...Whereas they would happily watch the same story played by shadow puppets and never say: "that's unrealistic, it I can see the sticks holding up the bits of paper you're pretending are people."
...In other words, realism is only required if you set the parametres of the universe you create as realistic.
The important factor is making those parameters clear to the viewer so they go along with you, it can be surprising what we will believe, if this is done well.
One of my favorite films, Troll Hunter, does this fantastically, its shot like a fly on the wall documentary with handheld cameras - real life - but then you get plasticene model trolls rampaging about, blatantly - while the actors play perfectly straight - and you completely believe their fear because "that's what these trolls look like." ...They would have been no more beliebable as perfectly rendered CGI models either... Because story telling immersion is not about perfect realism, its about conveying an atmosphere, drama, tensiob, a story etc.
I'm one of the very few westerners who list Baahubali as one (well, okay, technically two) of my favourite films of all time. Yes, the battles are completely unrealistic. But honestly, this entire film is utterly epic. I had the pleasure of seeing the second half in the cinema when it released, and my *Gods* is that last battle impressive when seen on a full-screen!
I liked them as well, kinda pissed that he didn't see it tbh lol. They are good movies. First film better imo. Second one is kinda dragging when they go to that weird country for half the film, although that battle is also epic.
Dude yes. This movie I can watch repeatedly. It is outrageously good. It feels like your reading ancient myth
These kind of action scenes are exactly how I used to write and draw epic fantasy battles, when I was 12. I can't believe someone actually put them on screen.
*tips fedora*
@@scratchy996 They aren't retard movies either lol. If you love the goofy action there is a serious plot in there also. AND if you can withstand the SINGING. It's Indian lore he is Vishnu incarnate and the brother is Shiva lol it's no joke great movies! Vishnus previous avatar fails and his son has to reclaim the kingdom, I'm serious it's badass!
The scene which you are saying radiculous is one of the best scene in this movie :
His mother prays lord Shiva , in order to complete her wish she pours river water on shivling , by doing this process she was getting exhausted
His son lift that shivling which is very very heavy and puts it inside the river , so by this , his mother don't have to travel between shivling & river
That chariot with the whirling blade in front of it is cutting edge technology ! Plus its got a beautiful lion head piece in the front. I think the producers of this film may have seen 300 and said to themselves, " We can do better." Sometimes over the top is the best way to go.
Of course it’s cutting edge! Have you ever heard of a blunt whirling blade?
Definitely an Army of Darkness feel with that one.
I think Leonardo Da Vinci designed chariot just like the one in this film
@@robertbodell55 wasn't as fancy, but definitely a similar concept.
At least Shad cut-out (pun intended) the scene were that general, used the chariot on the human shields
This reminds of the game "Sunless Sea" and the special weapon you can build called "Icarus in Black" that can kill most monsters in one shot (and only damages monsters, not ships) where the ammo is "doomed monster hunters." Basically you're firing some guy out of a cannon with a harpoon in each hand probably screaming "WITNESS ME".
That's my headcanon for what those rounds are now.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER I'm not sure what that has to do with what we're talking about here.
Now this reminds Jets'n'Guns and its SuperHero launcher. Basically a weapon that uses a Superman-like hero (and after a few upgrades his Arch-Nemesis) by cloning him and then firing him at the enemy.
The Bahubali films are some of my favorite films. They're actually really great movies that establish this sort of modern myth akin to Hercules. They're just super creative and genuine.
You don't know how much joy it brings me that Shad finally discovered Baahubali. It's almost as much as watching the film.
Literally cannot trust anything you say.
This would be agreeable but you've proven yourself to be woke bud.
@@jchoneandonly care to elaborate?
@@necroticneurons9555 he believes the stare should be in control of the economy and is obsessed with race outside of comics and stuff.
Rekeita law actually did a pretty good job explaining it.
Well, it seems you've reached the point you have dissenters everywhere you go, JSG. Double down and go nuts? Or step back and figure out what's gone wrong? Your choice.
1:53 If you watch the director's commentary for "Final Fantasy: Advent Children", the direction for the choreography was (and I quote) "We didn't care if it was possible, as much as if it was cool". This is a great way to do video game, fantasy, and anime movies, and this movie qualifies as all 3.
why would you ever do something like watch the commentary for advent children? were you being tortured?
The best way to approach something that’s unrealistic by design
I love fantasy with hard rules the characters follow personally but if you're not going to do that Bollywood is way better than a Hollywood action movie pretending to be serious and logical
As they call it in ttrpg circles: The rule of cool.
This films feel like the "rule of cool" in pen&paper games: "If it looks cool, I'll allow it." And it makes the whole game so much better.
Both movies are awesome. They are on Netflix here in America.
By the way the antagonist is the same in both movies. The while "black face" army was just a minor battle for them. They are not the main bad guy.
The first move sets up the conflict and the second one ends it.
@@boomknight1015 your history is very whack. The berbers never invaded the subcontinent. They are literally on the other end of the islamic world.
11:01 The Koreans have a similar 15th Century artillery called Hwacha. If my memory serves me right, it fires a barrage about 100 arrows or more. They only difference is that they were using fireworks.
Here's the link for more detail: ua-cam.com/video/UImDMIKEFgQ/v-deo.html
sick
With a gunpowder a grandma can do it
I think mythbusters tried making one
I never heard of these movies before seeing this review so I thought I'd give it a try. I was hooked quickly in the first one and immediately watched the second part the next day. I'll admit it might seem to be over the top at times, but it's meant to be that way. These aren't just normal humans we're talking about. Not just the men but even the women in this movie have seemingly superhuman strengths. If you take away the parts of the movie that defy physics its underlying themes are ones that have been part of practically every culture and used to be highly valued. Some of these themes being the role of a man, chivalry, respecting your parents and ancestors, how men and women are expected to treat each other, the duty and character of a king, duty and loyalty of servants (yes, there are slaves in this movie, but I'm not condoning slavery), the relationship between God and Man, how men can become like God without being a god by becoming the right kind of man, encouraging masculinity and femininity in the right context, leaders inspiring people through their faith in them and their actions, as well as sacrifice to name a few at the surface level.
Take the beginning of one battle scene. The prince's army was going to sacrifice an animal so that God would bless them in the battle. The prince stopped this and said something along the lines of "Don't spill the blood of this innocent animal, my blood should be sacrifice enough for god.". His brother (in the same army) didn't mind spilling the blood of his own soldiers or civilians if they were between him and the savage army king (death blade chariot for example).
As for the backstabbing scene, one could make the argument that this slave could have disobeyed the kill order (he probably should have and recognized that later), but his ancestors made a pledge to always obey and protect the king. He thought he was honoring his ancestors and his people by fulfilling his duty despite being morally opposed to the orders. For centuries civilizations have been built on people's loyalty and sense of duty. Everyone has a role to fulfill to their family and to their country and civilizations have fallen when people abandon principles such as these. There is a point at which you need to decide if what your people expect of you is the moral or just thing to do, and are you willing to accept the consequences of stepping away.
The prince who should have been king was exiled because he made promises he wouldn't break, principles he wouldn't abandon. He was also not in a position to stand up against the corruption within the state and thought that by yielding temporarily things might work out. The people would not accept his yielding and he ultimately had to be killed by the false king because of the threat he represented.
Then the redemption arc of the prince's son throughout both movies. He thought he was on a journey to get a girlfriend, which he did and they hooked up in a kid friendly way (we get it, she lost her virginity to him the waterfall of red flowers was a bit silly). Really he was on a journey to save his father (figuratively), destroy the corrupt regime, ascend the throne and restore order. It's a classic story told a million time over, but it's an important one that most men go through in life.
It's a beautiful, goofy, epic with serious themes weaved throughout that men should have been taught but seem to be forgetting now.
Unfortunately, Netflix plans to make its own prequel series.
A man being a good man, a hero, are what legends such as these are made of. Overtime through retelling of the story some events and circumstances suffer a little embellishment. This movie certainly embellished some things and, like you, I enjoyed the embellishments.
Note: I've read some ancient Indian epics, but I've never come across this story. I don't know if it's a more modern creation or is it loosely based on some of the old stories. If anyone knows I'd be interested in reading it.
@@BasedCrusades it's inspired from our Bharat epics
@@sanathanadharmama thank you. I'll look it up.
Dude watch RRR from the same director and crew of bahubali
To be fair to Gimili and Aragorn, historically there are instances on one or two men holding off an army. For example, the three romans who held the bridge over the Tiber while the Roman army destroyed it (I forget their names) or the legendary Centurion Marcus Cornelius Scaeva.
So that isn't too rediculous.
ridiculous*
@@AgeRestrictTheInternet No
Or the lone, nameless, axe-wielding Viking on Stamford bridge in 1066, holding off the English Army of Harold Godwinson and buying precious minutes for his comrades.
@@Hermandari Exactly. And the angle of the walkway makes it so the Uruk-Hai archers wouldn't be able to hit them from the ground. The ones on the walkway also didn't have their pikes.
So while incredible, it's not really that unrealistic. The two doing it are both legendary warriors, Aragorn being near superhuman Dunedain and being a notoriously excellent warrior, and Gimili being also a renowned warrior and a Dwarf to boot.
In the book, Eomer is there with them, adding a third legendarily skilled warrior to the group, and the whole time both in the book and movie Legolas and the Rohan archers are laying down fire from the keep, keeping the orks pinned down and occasionally sniping them when they start getting too close to landing a hit.
All in all... I think it's a reasonably well done fight that isn't all that unrealistic. Crazier things have happened irl.
@@huntclanhunt9697 In the books, Aragorn's sword also glowed very brightly, which probably had three benefits: it's hard to fight when you can't see; orcs don't like bright lights with the possible exception of fire; glowing weapons are magical and built by Elves or possibly ancient Numenorians, who were really good at making swords and using them to kill lots of orcs, and most of them didn't shine nearly as bright as his, meaning his was probably more powerful and dangerous.
Shad: The armour is over the top and they're leaning into it
That.... that armour looks more realistic than some 'historical' movies ive seen
Exactly
Multi-arrow launchers were actually a thing in Korea. Called "Hwatcha" if I recall correctly. But they used gunpowder to launch arrows.
Without seeing the movie, I actually do think launching humans at the enemy could be devastatingly effective. Especially of said humans are enemy combatants (or civilians, if you're an evil sod), preferably ones that are still alive. Having your still living countrymen or fellow soldiers hurled at you via catapult would be tremendously demoralizing and shake up the nerves quite a lot.
E.G. the scene in Lord of the Rings when they fire the heads onto Gondor.
@@Dudldom or just any time that was done irl. Ppl have catapulted plague ridden corpses into besieged fortresses/towns etc. Decapitated heads is nothing :)
It was a well-known tactic in ancient times to launch animal and human corpses into the enemy castles to spread disease.
And the Mongols did just that.
that was actually done around the mediterranean and europe between ancient and medieval times. POWs, heads, sick, plague victims, dead bodies, cattle, you name it. And yes, it did work.
And was abso fricking lutely SICK.
Okay, Telugu fella here, allow me to shed a bit of light. It’s been years since I’ve seen this movie, so I’ll try my best.
7:16 Context here is that idol is part of a ritual being performed, where at some point it needed to be showered in water (to be cleansed, I believe). At some point, bringing water to cleanse it becomes impossible, so Shiva (being played by Prabhas here) decides “screw it, I’ll bring the idol to the waterfall instead”.
8:06 This battle that is about to occur is actually a test for the two brothers, to see which should have a claim over the kingdom. The current king has a bias towards Bahubali’s brother, and so provided with all the modern and fancy technology at the time, while Bahubali was stuck with spears, arrows and grunts. Even the grunts realised they might not survive, hence the rousing speech.
8:55 Honestly, I’ve got nothing for this. Savage tribes were definitely a thing in Ancient India, but surely the director (SS Rajamouli) knew what he was doing, right? At the very least, the “savage tribe” here is actually really smart, and use all sorts of tactics (best one being lining the front line with enemy hostages) to mess with their opposition.
29:59 More context. The assignment here is to bring the leader of the opposition ALIVE. The reward is, of course, the throne to the kingdom.
31:31 Shad, I need to explain this a bit. On-screen right now is Shiva, who’s the SON of Bahubali. Shiva here, is trying to rescue his biological mother, who’s been held captive ever since Bahubali was assassinated.
In Indian movies, I have something called the BBP (Bollywood Breaking Point), where if a movie gets too ridiculous, I don’t feel inclined to take it seriously. 32:49 was that breaking point in this film for me.
With all that being said and done, both movies had a combined budget of $50 million USD, so they actually accomplished quite a lot with that limited budget. These two movies, despite their shenanigans, are basically GOATed Indian movies. Practically EVERY INDIAN currently living has either seen this movie or know about it, which is no small feat.
With all intents and purposes, most Indian ACTION movies are like this. If you want grounded movies with interesting characters, those exist too, my favourites being 3 Idiots, Dangal and Bomarillu.
the savage tribe is like a combination of the actual savages and the orcs of lord of the rings i think
These are ignorant people mate. No sense in presenting facts to them
@@bimalgarg95 chill
^THIS!!! ^
I watched this battle scene some time ago and it made me decide to watch the whole, two part movie...and it is AWESOME!
This movie is awesome. Indian stories are wonderful and some of their myths are just kinda proto-anime. Two early examples from the Mahabharata: there's a warrior early on who is dropped as a baby and subsequently crushes the mountain under him then at some point later a king of some variety is bitten by approximately a googolplex snakes and lives.
Lord of the Rings gets away with a bit of nonsense by being mostly grounded fantasy and the fact that Legolas has been doing this for like 3000 years.
If a Skyrim movie were ever made, this would be the best way to capture its (lack of) physics.
There's a bit of realism in the palm tree catapult scene; one of the shield groups hits below the top of the wall and it breaks apart and the soldiers fall (33:22).
Looks like even Indian movies acknowledge the fact that weapons can't be 100 accurate all the time!
I saw that too. But I am surprised that they did not break the wall instead.
Well in that case...
How aren't the solders being catapulted like that not end up like rotten tomatoes on the wall of a bad comedy show? I cant find how that is possible I mean you have to be superhuman just to survive landing with out breaking every bone in your body and turning your brain into mush as it bounces inside your skull.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER what those that have to do with resisting not becoming chunky salsa on the wall?
Red cliff is brilliant. Particularly how the prince gets the arrows he promised and comes up short by ten. His head is on the line. Then someone saves the day.
Okay. When I saw the chariot with the fan blades I genuinely laughed out loud. Thanks for sharing this film. That’s fantastic!
I saw the first movie in the theater in California. Amazing movie. Totally Lord of rings level. A truly great story as well. Back stabbing, self sacrifice to do what is right, honor, what makes one a good king, the themes go on and on. Couldn’t recommend enough.
Lord of the rings level😂😂😂,
You are very funny, thanks for LMAO
@@rahulpathakom Okay maybe Better than the Lord of rings.., it's total subjective
@@rahulpathakom Upsc pe focus karle bkl. Lord of the rings dekh ke nahi clear hora woh😂
Shad, I wouldn’t have called the Urumi, the whip sword, a “dumb weapon” as per your words. The urumi is good for individual combat, it is a specialized weapon that takes years of training to master. But a skilled individual could fight multiple opponents off, especially so when you can also wield two of them. They can be designed with one blade to used as a belt for concealment and be used in an emergency should it arise, such as an ambush or failed assassination when you don’t want to have a clearly visible weapon on you. Given its design, you could use it to go around shields and still hit a target. If you want to go more extravagant, there are urumi that have many blades on them, as much as twenty if I recall, I could be wrong, but there are some with many blades on them. It is just one of those weapons that are so specialized that it requires good training to use them efficiently, so if we were to say give the weapon to someone like you who has a wider range of knowledge and training in other weapons (though you may not be a master of these weapons) you aren’t going to use such weapons well, so it is useless to you. It is like Asian weapons such as Chinese weapons, some of which are so specialized in their use and how they are used that they require some time to train with in order to at least be proficient in using it, not even being a master of it yet. It is like the nunchaku, it requires a little bit of training to be proficient at it, but given its simple design, you can use it with some simple attacks, just don’t try anything stupid with it, given you aren’t trained to use it well, nor use it fast. Think about it, you have gangs, western ethnic gangs that use nunchaku that use them fairly well since they have practiced using them for some time that newer members get that founded knowledge and practices to better be proficient in its use, and given it is a small weapon that can be folded, it makes for a decent concealed weapon during the time of its heavier use by some western gangs. Shad, I hope that when you call a weapon dumb, you point out that it is dumb to use it for someone not trained in it, nor someone who has more general training with many other weapons, using a specialized weapon is much more difficult unless how it is used is more conventional and simple, such being the rapier and katana, both being designed to be the best at what they are designed to do, and I am sure you know what I mean, but those who don’t get it, the rapier is really good at thrusting and fairly good at piercing, while the katana is really good at slashing and making really good cuts. If isn’t the case of you calling it dumb just because you think so, but more rather you are using sarcasm and have similar thoughts as to an earlier text in my comment, then please be more literal, many people today may not get your sarcasm which is why some arguments still occur in the world over some topics. Topics that were already covered and ended get brought up again because people are too literal and may not understand other factors involved, and so forth. Such topics such as the argument of the long sword vs the katana, which you made a video on them not being a fairly comparable weapons, so the argument topic isn’t really a good topic to argue about. I still find people who are clueless and don’t understand, that still argue such a topic when something better could be compared and argued about…
(Note for others, I hope this is liked enough for shad to see, I want to find out his thoughts so that I can better understand shad more so that should other factors come in for videos and topics to be discussed, less can be said since there is already an understanding of thinking, covering a topic or conversation faster…)
Edit: the arrow thing, I think is suppose to reference something like the Hwacha, but it isn’t using rockets to propel the arrows.
It can only fend off several opponents if those opponents have no armor or other protection and are afraid of getting a bad cut. Urumi can't inflict really serious wounds like broken bones or cut through metal armor or shields. It's like a long razor blade, all sharpness, no mass. It also can't be used to parry or thrust. Its only advantages are length and concealability.
And since it only flexes sideways (if it flexed both ways, it wouldn't cut) then even if you did cut deeply enough to require more than some stitches, you'd have a hard time recovering your weapon in time to fend off the person you wounded, let alone another opponent, because the blade would be all floppy. It requires centripetal force to be straight enough to be useful, but can't curl around an enemy's weapon or shield. All the disadvantages of a flail without any of the advantages.
Considering the amount of time it takes to master--or even use effectively--and its _severe_ limitations, it's a pretty stupid weapon when you could just become a master (or even above-average) swordsman or something and be much more effective. Heck, if you need concealability, even a knife or a Chinese "meteor hammer" would be better, and the meteor hammer is pretty dubious itself.
@@Bacteriophagebs yeah. No sword actually is meant to cut through metal or shields.
@@szarekhthesilent2047 Plenty of swords can cut through metal armor, what are you talking about? You think all armor is invulnerable to all swords?
@@Bacteriophagebs Plenty of cotton balls can explode modern tanks. If you accelerate them to 1c.
The minor issue are, that 1 the cotton balls are not going to survive that and 2 no one can accelerate them that much with his arms.
So - invulnerable to cuts? yes. invulnerable to stabs or to cutting into gaps?Almost and no.
Swords are nimble their balance is usually towards the handle. They are obivously not meant to cut metal armor. They are meant to be used against the gaps.
@@szarekhthesilent2047 Excuse me while I facepalm.
From Sword Buyer's Guide: "Actually, a lot of swords can cut chain mail on a good hit. Chain mail would have stopped the limb from being severed outright, and would have worked perfectly on a glancing blow (that would otherwise have you bleeding all over the place) - but it was hardly impenetrable."
There are also _numerous_ videos of people cutting maille with swords on UA-cam, with exactly the results described in that quote. Even one-handed cutting blades like Viking longswords and gladii could cut maille.
Most maille was soft iron or mild steel (think coat-hanger metal). A decent sword could cut that, it just couldn't cut nearly as deeply after doing so.
The urumi would do nothing to maille.
This movie is legitimately fantastic. I'm so into it.
For all of the ludicrousness of the action, the story is actually pretty solid, I think.
I actually watched this movie a couple years ago somewhat by accident, and aside from the exagerated scenes, it has a great story and plot development. it connects the ordinary and mystical extremely well in my opinion
@@izakireemsi2783 you didn't like it?
@@rupestreviajante6664 English isn't my first language so i got confused with my own grammars. Hell yeah it's a cool movie
@BHARTIYA MAPPER hey hey chill man, I didn't say hateful stuff
well to clear the confusion imma just delete my own comments
I love how at 33:22 they have one group crash into the wall, like they thought "Oh we can't have everyone make it, that would be unrealistic!"
The hwacha was a real functional weapon based on the idea of launching an entire volley of arrows at once, but it used rocket-powered arrows. In my book, that makes things even more cool.
Mongolians were using it during the Battle of Legnica in 1241
I have seen a few recreations and I always thought they were pointless. Like 80% of the arrows just end up burying themselves in the ground and not hitting anything .
And while it might frighten conscripts I can't really see it scaring anyone with an ounce of experience.
a regular barrage also doesn't hit a whole lot, but a hwacha can be handled by like 5 guys
@@clothar23 you see, you can't miss if you hit everything
@@swordweaver9696 I would rather have a couple dozen archers. Since they'll actually hit something and go through far less arrows in the process.
"The Indian Space Program..." ??? I honestly laughed so hard I couldn't breathe for more seconds than I thought I could last without air. Holy, er, cow! (no pun intended). This was absolutely amazing - both movies were epic on levels I never knew existed. Thanks, Shad!
Indian Mythology literally talks about the Hindu Gods having winged 'airplanes'
So we do have a space program lol
To be fair, ISRO, the Indian Space agency is just fantastic. They have done some mad missions to the moon and mars for like 1/10 the money of NASA. India will get people into space before ESA (Europe).
Sending us to the cosmos to be one with the Universe for thousands of years.
@@Skunkwurx ESA has sent a total of 30 astronauts in space, the first one in 1983.
@@Spacemongerr Not on their own rockets. He is talking about a complete National Manned Space Mission. But yeah, its not as if ESA can't.
My most favorite part of the movie : How Bahubali dies, like a King sitting like he's sitting on his throne and his hand resting on his sword.
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My most favorite dialogue : When Bahubali says, ''If anyone advances towards Devsena(his pregnant wife), that means they're touching Bahubali's sword''
The multi-arrow contraption they use reminds me of the hwacha that Mythbusters tested out, using rocket-powered arrows. They found it plausible, mostly effective as an intimidation rather than true killing weapon but it could kill at range.
Both that arrow thing and the lawnmower chariot were based on antique drawings for weapons;
The arrow thing is from early medieval period.
The chariot is from Leonardo da Vinci.
Didn't the Chinese version of Hwacha also used gunpowder instead of the "slap" mechanics in this movie?
@@writerPiCryO hwacha is Korean and yes it use gunpowder.
By both Japanese and Korean war records of the Imjin War, we know the hwacha was an effective weapon although, the ultimate victory of Korea has more to do with Admiral Yi sinking the Japanese fleet on repeat, while being MASSIVELY out numbered and out guned. You know when 12 ships destroy a 140 ship fleet, the Admiral is a true badass.
@@nathanc939 it was an effective weapon because the Japanese had dense infantry formations with a distinct lack of shields. Against European armies it night not have had as big of an effect.
"Sinking the Japanese fleet on repeat" is utterly hilarious because not only is it true, but also because it was on such a scale that it actually halted the advance of the Japanese army.
@@inventor121 Shields were very much on the way out in Europe, at least in mainland Europe. Also the Japanese actualy used shields, but it is true that it was not as proeminent as in other regions of the world.
As for what I said about Europe, shield had been on the decline since the 14th century as armor got better and better. Levies mostly used it still, but not pike formations, which were taking over. You see, while the richer people were being covered in more and more plates, the wealth of everyone was drastically increasing in Europe, meaning peasants could not usually afford decent fabric armour. Brigandine even began being used by commoners (to some extent), so shields were not nearly as necessary, plus heavy cavalry and pike formations were dominating more and more. A shield does not really help against a charging knight on his horse and pikes became so proeminent because the cavalry was and using a shield with a pike does not work so well.
In anycase, close to 1600, in Europe it was pike and shot formations and heavy cavalry dominating the fields, so shields were not really common, at least not personnal shields (stationary ones were used, but that is also very much true for Japan).
The difference is that Europe used cannons MUCH MUCH more than Japan, which did out range hwacha, but so did the Korean, except Korea mostly used it for navies (which plays a big part in Yi stomping on the Japanese, as the Japanese did not have cannons on their boats and were thus massively out ranged).
In anycases, a hwacha would likely have been less effective against an European army, not because of shields, which were out of usage, but because of the more proeminent use of artillery and artillery barrages, which plays the same role as the Hwacha did in battles, but from a longer range (with a lower density of projectiles). This does not mean the hwacha would not have been effective though, as it still likely had a better shock value when used well, due to the ammount of projectiles comming down.
We watched this movie at my friend's bachelor party. It was glorious. There was much amusement and amazement at how over-the-top it was, as well as some head-scratching (mostly due to unfamiliarity with many of the cultural and mythical references). Nevertheless, it was the first Bollywood movie I've watched, start-to-finish, and it was glorious. It's also very long.
You still haven't watched any Bollywood movie cuz it was a Tollywood (Telugu language) movie.😁
@@user-vg3jz5yg1d Interesting. Well, it was a glorious Tollywood movie then!
@@Kargoneth you know India is home to numerous cultures and languages and hence have many movie industies like tollywood, Kollywood, Bollywood etc.
@@vigneshkr7072 I do not. I figured that there was one large multi-cultural multi-linguistic film industry, not multiple large separate film industries.
Fact : Actually these fight sequences seems soo good if you are watching it with context instead of nonsenly critisizing it , it is fantansy film dude , they never said maheshmati is on earth . by your logic even ironman is illogical , he literally have booster on legs and he fly horizontaly !
^THIS!!
Exactly
@@angelinadai1260 correct.. These people dont need physics in white people's movies
Shad is praising it though?
When Shad calls Baahubali 'insane'...
Indian soap operas: allow us to introduce ourselves.
So are Telenovelas.
Look up Funny or Die’s “Telenovelas are Hell.”
Baahubali is legendary compared to the **** that is Indian Soap Operas.
@@Audiotrocious naaaahhh... Spanish telenovelas are no match to their indian counterparts.
*over-edits dramatic scene*
Indian soap operas: allow us to introduce ourselves.
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE
Indian soap operas: allow us to introduce ourselves.
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but in slow motion
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but zoomed in
Indian soap operas: allow us to introduce ourselves.
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but with a camera pan and zoom in
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but with a camera pan from the other direction and zoom in
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but with colour inversion
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE and the screen shatters
Indian soap operas: allow us...
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but rapidly zooming in and out
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but in black and white
Jump cut to SHOCKED FACE but panning and zooming in while the camera rotates and colour inverts and the screen shatters
18:27 These guys just brought an entire new meaning to the term "carpet bombing"
"It's so interesting that back in the day, we didn't have the concept of war crimes."
I think there were rules about different Christian countries fighting other Christian countries and different Muslim countries fighting other Muslim countries and also fighting peoples of the book. I don't think there were many generalized, humanistic rules though.
War crimes definitely did exist and were frowned upon e.g. killing the prisoners at Agincourt, massacring a garrison or populace when they surrendered at the start. It was just that certain things were acceptable for example killing or looting troops and civilians of a city or castle that refused to surrender and needed to be taken by storm. If you get taken by assault quarter is optional. Burning churches or breaching sanctuary areas such as churches was also strongly frowned upon in Christian Europe.
@@nath9091 The bombing of the cathedral at Tours, France was a huge propaganda plus in WWI, for both sides.
The German army accused the French of using it as a military base and storage, making it a legitimate target. Meanwhile, the French accused the Germans of reckless historical vandalism.
You missed the part where the hero and villan fight 1v1 in the end, they tumble all around the city resulting in the fall of a 200 - 300 feet tall statue.
It's like Hulk vs thor but more damage less power.
This movie looks awesome. Like the kind of fun action-adventure that Hollywood used to make before they lost whatever tiny minds they had left.
The old men trying to make Joke of this film so hard...but fans know how this movie was epic at that time and how successful this was...
This movie is epic! The men say it is! They are not trying to insult the movie
Come down buddy. This movie is epic but ridiculous at the same time
12:10 About the arrow throwing machine. Today i went to visit the Almodovar Castle in Córdoba (Spain) and there was a picture at the museum that showed a replica of a warmachine similiar to the one seen on the move. However, there were significant differences:
-It only had capacity for 3 arrows
-The spring mechanism was made of rope (like the roman ballista)
-The arm that hits the arrows was slightly curved
@BHARTIYA MAPPER there's a social-political weirdness happening in several Western countries at the moment. People who aren't white-European are not allowed to be presented as anything but perfect angels. This has led to newspapers stopping reporting the race of criminals committing violent crimes, but also means that showing non-whites as antagonists is frowned upon. We also get weird, historical dramas with tons of black and asian people in them, even when there weren't any in that time and place (there was even one where a Queen of England was played by a black actress, though that may have been because her husband was the director, iirc).
@@Senbei01 Judging by Bhartiya's literal copy and paste posts, you're responding to either a bot, or somebody with too much time and outrage.
But you made a good post anyway.
I stumbled upon these movies on Netflix, and basically had the exact same reaction as you. Throughout the entire movie I was thinking "This is AMAZING. This shouldn't be so good. Why is this so AMAZING??!" Haha.
Actually, I made a Haggis Madrasa few months back. It was the best Madras I've ever tasted, and instead of Keema Naan, I've done a Haggis Naan, which is also absolutely epic!
My absolute favorite line from the first film is when someone shouts "Two eyes are not enough!" as everyone is watching him carry the statue.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER That literally has no relevance to my comment. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend. Perhaps your comment should be posted on the main comment section, where it would make some kind of sense.
At the 24:27 mark, The double-sided lance is historical. At Gaugamela, Alexander's Companion Cavalry used lances with a spear head and a counterweight on the other end for balance. If the spear was broken or damaged, the counterweight which also had a spear head could be used.
When its life or death. You definitely want redundancy.
Lances/spears with a spike at the "bottom" end were quite common. They were used as counterweights, to stabilize a dug-in spear, and, most crucially, to stab at fallen, yet still alive enemies below your feet while advancing with your troops. War is brutal, and that goes doubly for armed melee.
Westerners for every Indian film: Ridiculous, let's make fun of it and just put a word "I love this" at the end so that they don't feel bad.
Because it's just something completely different for a change. And in these cases, 'ridiculous' is meant affectionately, not as an insult. I, personally, genuinely enjoy the approach to action this film (and Indian action movies in general) take. It's fun and creative, that's all we're saying.
18:00 Can you imagine how many hours they spent chiseling those catapult stones into that perfectly smooth stone kettlebell shape with the indent for the handle and everything? Each one of those would be like a priceless artifact for the time (which I _presume_ is pre industrial given the weapons and armor).
Back then, labor was cheap, it was materials that were expensive. There's not much more labor required to shape one of those balls than to shape the stones used in some fortifications like the walls of Constantinople, and there were _thousands_ of stones in those walls.
Would it be worth it for a projectile? No, but it would be far from a priceless artifact.
I lost it completely at the ridiculous palm tree human catapult shield-barrel launch. xD
edit: AND ALL OF THEM DO IT NOW! WHAT THE HELL! :D
The best part is that one of the groups barely doesn't clear the wall at the bottom of the frame!
I saw the group that ate the side of the wall too. Poor guys. Judging by how everyone lands though they might just get up again and give it another go.
I'd like to mention there are three parts to this movie and this is by far the most "normal" action scenes of all the three movies XD
@@amithabraham2224 you've got to be kidding me
@Telugu Boy just a question, since you know about it, is this a complete fantasy or are there elements based on mythology, etc?
a human catapult... every time i think ive seen it all, someone somewhere never fails to show me more.
This was an epic movie. I remember my mom showing it to me because she was watching a lot of Indian movies at the time. I loved this and the movie Rowdy Rathore.
try latest RRR or kgf series
Watch RRR and Vikram now..
Do not watch KGF as the other guy is suggesting. It has sloppy editing.
KGF is for Indian audience
@@sangeeth1083 kgf is for dumb audience
Rowdy Rathore was a remake of the telugu movie Vikramarkudu which was originally directed by the same director S.S.Rajamouli
Oh boy, I remember when I first saw clips of that movie. I was conflicted; it felt both absolutely preposterous and genius.
Perhaps a person with a bit of tact would be able to get some of the less outlandish things in this movie and make them work on a more realistic and serious scenario.
Well is a legend about a demigod, realism is not the point
@@B..B. Imagine how cool it would be to deconstruct and find ways to make it more realistic tho. I feel like that would be really cool if applied in such a manner to a different work that isn't as Theologically esoteric. So cool
@@B..B. Demigod films are less amazing than a human achieving godlike achievements with his limited capabilities.
@@UXMetalVTuber well since first time I have seen I hope someone take inspiration in this movie and make something realistic with that level of epic.
But realism in movies don't make great scenes. The sad truth but the idea is cool indeed
@@B..B. the charge off the rohirrim in lotr isn't too unrealistic and it still is one of the best scenes I've experienced. I think a good story could be made by taking baahubali ad making it more realistic. But do I want it? No because it would take away what's so great about it and make it more generic
The oversized mace was sort of a real thing. Its name (which I don't know) translates to "mellon-hammer", and the head was hollow; usually with a couple small (think golf ball size) metal balls inside it; like a bell / giant baby rattle. No idea if it was ever used in actual battles. But, while they would have been rare, they did exist. I've read that there were bodyguards who carried them. So, likely they were more for intimidation and symbology, than actual function. As for hidden flail-like mechanisms; that was an entirely different historical mace; which I think only diagrams-of still exist; don't know if there is a surviving physical example. Both were of Chinese origin, not Indian.
It doesn't take much to outdo Hollywood. This could be a a box office hit! 😉
It was; both movies were the highest grossing Indian films of all time at their release
This movie reminded me of how tame 300 was even at the time. Best thing about it was Gerald and the narrator playing it straight with a fine script.
I kind of expected Shad to be annoyed... But than again, the movie is incredible 😂
The music in the movie is amazing too.
That would be skall lol
Funny you mentioned "Final Fantasy Advent Children." I watched that with my niece years ago. She marveled at the insane action. I explained to her, "If you're awesome, Physics doesn't apply to you." I love this sort of movie.
As someone with Indian family members who've talked about this sort of thing... the Blackface is kinda deliberate racism. As a culture they consider lighter skin tones as more attractive (especially for women) and more civilized, less rural, where as darker skin is considered primitive, bumpkin and barbaric.
So the bad guys being blacker than black is on purpose.
Yes, I didn't realised it but it was subtitle racism
@@mayankbisht7691 boohoo
@@mayankbisht7691 It's blatant racism, nothing subtle about it at all and I'm extremely disappointed of Shad to just dismiss it as Indians not being political correct.
@@sevret313 is it though? By woke logic, POC people can't be racist, so that can't be it.
@@4Curses Please go back to Sargon of Akkad or whatever you're watching.
The movie is an excellent introduction to Indian Mytho-History.
It's unadulterated fun and so far over the top that it requires a telescope to see this movie on a clear night from the peak of the top.
That movie directed by most fameous Turkish director Umit Ozdag. He got %5 of total votes at Traditional Turkish Corraption Festival (seçim) and earn Golden Canislipus Award. Now he retired and administering tours to Syria with his own Middle Eastern tour company that named as Zafer Turizm.
which movie?
oh hell yeah, I love this duology so damn much, even though it's completely outlandish and stylized. Sometimes, realism can take a back seat for Rule of Cool, and Baahubali is perhaps the definitive example.
I love your analysis Shad, and I love grounded war films. I also do love my Indian films. While some films of West get labeled as a thematic mess, Indian films solve that by going over the top and stitching the story well enough to be coherent and emotionally resonant. I knew perfectly well how stupid Indian fight scenes can be from a objective standpoint, but it's ridiculousness automatically lends it a pass and you start to vibe with it. I watched Bahubali movies(2nd one in theatre) and I shed a few tears - and they weren't tears of laughter. In my opinion it's a very good film. I have watched this movie probably a dozen times and haven't laughed at it this hard as your analysis made me. Cheers!
I remember when the second baahubali movie came out. It completely took Nigeria by storm🤣. The absolute ridiculousness of it all appealled so well to me and my friends😹
This is a great movie. You need to actually read. One confusing thing when you only watch is that one actor plays two roles. Half of the movie is in flashback and he is playing his father for that half. That also is why some of the characters shift to having white mustaches and beards.
The white hair is one way to tell, but Baahubali Sr also has a full beard while Junior (Shivudu) has just the mustache. It was a keen thing to include.
@BHARTIYA MAPPER Why did you send this to me?
This is so outrageous; I Love it! It actually shows real creativity showing combat in such a crazy way, and most of the time, that is what movies are for: escapism at it's finest! I need to find these 2 movies for myself.
It's on Netflix. Watch part 1 first, then part 2 - they have a great story.
Baahubali 1 and 2 are both unironically my most favourite movies of all time, they’re just so much fun to watch yknow like its just hard to not have fun watching it, its so over the top and “anime” with a surprising amount of really hype badass moments where i genuinely jaw dropped and just screamed “lEtS fUcKinG gOoOOo” in my head
The arrow launcher thing might have been based on Korean Hwacha:
"a multiple rocket launcher and an organ gun of similar design which were developed in fifteenth century Korea. The former variant fired one or two hundred rocket-powered arrows while the latter fired several dozen iron-headed arrows or bolts out of gun barrels."
*edit - also if you're looking for another stupid cool movie, might wanna check out Red Cliff!
The Hwacha(known as 一窝蜂 for the chinese) is a gunpowder based weapon, not something that was shown like this. The multi-shot-crossbow also doesn't operate like this.
Red Cliffs is nowhere on this level
@@raynightshade8317 The level which the film depics, obliviously, but comparing to the Hwacha, the two are actually quite comparable.(people get the idea that they are not is that one is depicted as a military construct whilst the other is a weapon. )But the "Swap of Bees" had versions which requires many soldiers to use, possibly influencing the later Hwacha
@@ZinbaForLife Oh crap i replied to the wrong coment, i mean to reply to one about how if you want an over the top movie watch Red Cliffs
so the board that strikes the back is just to set off the propellant
This film is absolutely insane, is good, cultural different but amazing
just so you know, the cannon balls connected by chain were a real thing known as chain shot, and they were used in Naval Warfare against sailed ships
Shad X Baahubali Triology, the crossover I never knew I wanted. I'm all for it. As a viewer of your channel for quite some time, I'd say you'd enjoy this movie coz it's a pretty good fantasy film, ridiculous battle sequences aside, speaking of which, you missed an even more insane battle scene from the second movie.
Oh wait, it's just two movies, I guess that makes it a Biology.
Duology
I love Indian movies, man. You have movies in the west explaining why a guy could fight foreign military personnel because he has superhuman superpowers given to him by aliens. While they have multiple waves of heavily-armed mafia gang members being decimated by a registered accountant.
The Accountant. Love it.
WHAT MOVIE IS THAT WITH THE ACCOUNTANT!!!??? 🤔🤔
The "hero" didn't even get a single drop of sweat either.
25:05 I recognise this. It's based on a da Vinci sketch from what I recall. Never seen one adapted into film so that's metal as hell.
It's also mentioned in Ancient historical texts of India. If they are to be believed, it was actually a thing around the time of Buddha.
@@_UNISTAR_ Rathamusala