THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES #77 - The Kind Mother

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  • MAG077 - Case #9941509 - Lucy Cooper
    Statement regarding a supposed stranger claiming to be a close relative.
    The Magnus Archives tells the tale of an estranged child who believes that an impostor posing as their mother now resides in their family home.
    Starring: Gertrude Robinson - Sue Sims; The Archivist - Jonathan Sims
    Writer: Jonathan Sims
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  • @emilyneff3168
    @emilyneff3168 4 роки тому +2603

    My soul left my body when Jon's voice dies: "- how it works, how it ki...."

    • @charliem.1368
      @charliem.1368 4 роки тому +181

      johns soul left his body too

    • @b-blythe6763
      @b-blythe6763 3 роки тому +128

      i legit thought he'd gotten stabbed midway through

    • @frogonthebikeheh
      @frogonthebikeheh 2 роки тому +12

      @@charliem.1368 I choked on my tea 😂🍵

    • @moonlight_scribe
      @moonlight_scribe 8 місяців тому +12

      It was definitely a legit bit of voice acting

  • @voidmatic
    @voidmatic 4 роки тому +2383

    the "how it kil-" part is so well done since it's not only a moment where he realizes he's going to have to kill it, but also that Sasha has been gone for a while without him even realizing ... oOF

  • @cawareyoudoin7379
    @cawareyoudoin7379 4 роки тому +1883

    Oh no.... The terrible realization... The grief... I cannot...

    • @cawareyoudoin7379
      @cawareyoudoin7379 4 роки тому +36

      @past me, it's gonna get so much worse.
      But still, this was the moment that hit me the most in the series, along with "the Librarian". At the end of season 4, as a defense mechanism, I've desensitized myself, I think. Or it's just that the scale of the threat is so big that it's not felt anymore (overly sarcastic productions did a great video on this, how threats too big, especially not likely to happen (like the end of the world) don't really affect the audience that much, because we still can't really comprehend this scale of destruction. But, to their credit, they did what not many stories actually do- (SPOILERS)
      they did the apocalypse. It's cool, but I'm just like eh. What can you threaten me with now? Killing the characters? lol. Making them suffer? Been there done that. There's honestly nothing I can think of that could actually emotionally wreck me as the episodes in the first seasons did. But, Jonny Sims, feel free to surprise me. What you gonna do with that bat? You gonna hit me? Better make it count! Better make it *hurt* ! Better kill me in one shot!)

    • @lilaboxx
      @lilaboxx 3 роки тому +14

      I read half of your spoilery comment and not gonna lie, usually anything in english affects me less emotionally because it's not my first language and i have to focus so much on understanding what's going on that I'm rarely affected but that voice acting felt like a punch

  • @mjamin9124
    @mjamin9124 3 роки тому +1344

    the creepiest thing about this is that it mirrors reality. there is mental disorder where someone _firmly_ believes that someone they know has been replaced by a complete stranger-- but nobody else seems to have noticed. hopefully, it _is_ just a disorder, and not something. else.
    it's called capgras syndrome

    • @allie_678
      @allie_678 2 роки тому +69

      Omg… yeah. Hopefully it’s just a disorder 😳

    • @bebeth8468
      @bebeth8468 2 роки тому +130

      Women seem to be more affected by the capgras syndrome than men
      funny, since, as far I can remember, the only two people that noticed the not-them were female

    • @alexs1954
      @alexs1954 2 роки тому +141

      @@bebeth8468 Three. The window watching woman, the woman from this statement, and the ghost hunter.

    • @radiofyre13
      @radiofyre13 Рік тому +16

      I was wondering if anyone would point that out

    • @leafloaf3232
      @leafloaf3232 Рік тому +20

      @@alexs1954 and basira

  • @BunnyLove5763
    @BunnyLove5763 4 роки тому +2059

    Jon sounded like he was on the brink of tears :(

    • @michellemaloney2839
      @michellemaloney2839 3 роки тому +117

      I may be reading too much into it, but I think Jon loved Sasha, too, and he just realized she was gone. It wasn't romantic, but he's still devastated by her loss.

    • @Falcon-doing-doodles
      @Falcon-doing-doodles Рік тому +63

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the main difference between Jon and Gertrude is how they feel about their assistants. Jon may not be the nicest boss, but he still does care about them and does so much to try and prevent them from dying.

    • @Vi_Vi_1
      @Vi_Vi_1 Рік тому +40

      @@michellemaloney2839 i definitely got this vibe too. Not romantic, just...she was a friend, he respected her, he cared for her, he trusted her, and realizing she's been lost genuinely hurts :(

    • @hamburgerdog25
      @hamburgerdog25 Рік тому +29

      ​@@Vi_Vi_1 i was picking up that they definitely confided in one another. Jon would vent to her sometimes on tapes in season one and he seemed to trust her opinion a bit more than Martin's when she gave her statement. And he was always nicer to her compared to the others. They just seemed to be on the same wavelength, you know? They were good friends. I knew it was going to be sad when Jon realized that that isn't his friend and I figured he'd feel guilty (back to last episode, when he says "why Melanie..." as in why did she figure it out, and my guess, why he didn't even realize something was wrong).
      Excuse me, I'm preparing for the real feels hours now

    • @Vi_Vi_1
      @Vi_Vi_1 Рік тому +8

      @@hamburgerdog25 Absolutely! It's what made this episode hit so damn hard, knowing they were good friends 😭 the idea of not only losing a close friend, but not REALIZING it for months?? Yeah that would fuck me up

  • @snoopdelarge
    @snoopdelarge 4 роки тому +792

    "You're not Jim. Jim is not Asian"

    • @waitingwarrior4203
      @waitingwarrior4203 4 роки тому +62

      NotJim... O_O

    • @gymsbeansent
      @gymsbeansent 4 роки тому +126

      Jim be like "You seriously never noticed? Hey, hands off to you for not seeing race."

    • @TheJuliana0901
      @TheJuliana0901 4 роки тому +37

      goddamn. best comment. it's exactly right

    • @summerjuarez2322
      @summerjuarez2322 3 роки тому +68

      Identity theft is not a joke, Jim!

    • @Vi_Vi_1
      @Vi_Vi_1 3 роки тому +2

      HAHAHAHAHA

  • @ZaphodJan
    @ZaphodJan Рік тому +297

    This lady hated her mother so much that no paranormal monstrosities could rewrite her memories

  • @Vi_Vi_1
    @Vi_Vi_1 3 роки тому +564

    "I don't know what this-....I know exactly what this means" and "how it works, how it ki-" both just wrecked me. The voice acting in this series is TOO GOOD

  • @jadynnkotch1833
    @jadynnkotch1833 4 роки тому +1208

    nope. i refuse to believe sasha is dead. i love her too much to accept that.

    • @b-blythe6763
      @b-blythe6763 3 роки тому +116

      I remember at the end of last season i was so prepared for the characters to realize the fake and go find the real Sasha ;-;

    • @namaschu9418
      @namaschu9418 3 роки тому +20

      I hope she is, I don't think the alternative would be something I want for her

    • @nikonikoknees4488
      @nikonikoknees4488 3 роки тому +20

      who knows, maybe she wasn't real all along... just kidding :p! I'm sure she's out there somewhere

    • @neroquin
      @neroquin 2 роки тому +26

      Way beyond that fam. She's been gone for a long time.

    • @mistydevillier2197
      @mistydevillier2197 2 роки тому +1

      Well, sucks to be you!!🤫

  • @ironbarsjack7977
    @ironbarsjack7977 4 роки тому +863

    Realizing Sasha is actually probably like dead and not mind controlled like I originally assumed

    • @Iquey
      @Iquey 3 роки тому +29

      I'm wondering if she was eaten by all the worms and something took her place, like a Michael type or a not Graham that was inside the white and blue vase and climbed out!??

    • @artimessnow3950
      @artimessnow3950 3 роки тому +70

      I kind of figured something stole her identity when we heard the bit of her screaming and then something trying to sound more and more like her, copying the last words she said.
      "I see you"

    • @august7493
      @august7493 3 роки тому +35

      I thought she was trapped inside the table or something, I just realized how stupid that is

  • @tearez13
    @tearez13 3 роки тому +773

    _"There is a stranger claiming to be my mother"_ Coraline? Is that you?
    Also: I really like the mention of changelings.

    • @citra1885
      @citra1885 9 місяців тому +7

      Omg I just realized Coraline's story would fit this series without a doubt!

  • @Companion92
    @Companion92 4 роки тому +717

    Poor Jon. This is not gonna help with his paranoia

    • @happygilmore2778
      @happygilmore2778 Рік тому +15

      It's not paranoia if he's right!

    • @ElForrest-Okey
      @ElForrest-Okey 7 місяців тому +5

      Its not paranoia if theyre really out to get you

  • @ironbarsjack7977
    @ironbarsjack7977 4 роки тому +927

    Two minutes in and I realize what Jon meant when he said he knew where to start at the end of the last episode. Finally he’s catching on!

  • @mustard_96
    @mustard_96 3 роки тому +636

    I always thought that the Not!People had some sort of magic that prevents the people that the originals closely and consistently associated with from noticing a difference, but it doesn’t affect people who only know them from occasional interaction. It kinda is confirmed in this statement, where the dad who is constantly around his wife wouldn’t notice, but the daughter (who has been estranged for a while) noticed immediately.

    • @angryjelly7025
      @angryjelly7025 2 роки тому +70

      At the same time, neighbors of this person's mother and all the people, who knew Graham before the change, except for a single girl who gave the statement, seem to also be affected, even though Graham didn't have any real friends or relatives among them. I think it just affects the whole world except for a very few

    • @audacioustabby2774
      @audacioustabby2774 Рік тому +36

      I'm not 100% on how The Fears work but I would assume this specific one would need a conscious victim or two to feel the fear. If it just replaced people and killed others for the lolz, then the only fear emitted would be betrayal or just plain death.

    • @hamburgerdog25
      @hamburgerdog25 Рік тому

      I thought it was telepathic. Just sort of taps into your brain and re-wires it a bit. Of course if that were case, it would never get detected. Unless maybe the only people it doesnt work on just have this sort of brain or mental makeup that it can't jack

    • @suneee_
      @suneee_ 3 місяці тому

      SO THAT'S WHY MELANIE NOTICED NOT!SASHA WHILE THE OTHERS DIDNT!! i kept wondering how she managed to do that !

    • @melissaharris3389
      @melissaharris3389 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@audacioustabby2774Exactly. Someone needs to know or there isn't any fear.

  • @josef3475
    @josef3475 3 роки тому +367

    For your information, St Peter's Church was designed by Thomas Graham Jackson, a pupil of Sir Gilbert Scott, who was the architect mentioned in "Foundation" as the pupil of Robert Smirke.

    • @aliyinn3186
      @aliyinn3186 3 роки тому +12

      Woah. Thanks for the info

    • @mimkyodar
      @mimkyodar 3 роки тому +19

      SMIIRRRRKKKKEEEEEE

    • @albuseisenhorn3385
      @albuseisenhorn3385 Рік тому +8

      OH THAT IS TOO FKING GOOD, well done Simms

    • @fevre_dream8542
      @fevre_dream8542 Рік тому +13

      At this point I'm just gonna assume that any spooky building mentioned has Smirke etc to blame

  • @jaykatara5467
    @jaykatara5467 3 роки тому +617

    I don't think we've ever heard Jon more terrified and upset than in this tape.

  • @kilogramate
    @kilogramate 4 роки тому +706

    THE VOICEACTING OF THIS SERIES IS SO GOOD

    • @kilogramate
      @kilogramate 4 роки тому +14

      JON HOW?? GIV ME YOUR SECRET

    • @takeoats
      @takeoats Рік тому +2

      @@kilogramate simple: act with your voice

  • @wakipaki7381
    @wakipaki7381 4 роки тому +485

    Well at least this answer my constant screams of why Not!Sasha went undetected for so long. It's in-universe magic, not incompetence. That's alright, I suppose

    • @spensirmclife6549
      @spensirmclife6549 2 роки тому +14

      Or your just like me who forgot that scene that happened at the end of episode 39 and just forgot what the original sounded like

    • @IanNya73
      @IanNya73 6 місяців тому +2

      they all did say that they thought it was jane prentiss screaming

  • @TheXeno10
    @TheXeno10 3 роки тому +278

    dammit Jon trust martin already
    he is your sam in this horrifying adventure to mount literal doom
    your sam in the nights watch

    • @DJsonnet141
      @DJsonnet141 3 роки тому +15

      Your Sam on the road so far!

    • @tearez13
      @tearez13 3 роки тому +12

      @@DJsonnet141 ON THE ROAD SO FAAAAAAARRR!!!!!!!!

  • @XerxesTexasToast
    @XerxesTexasToast 4 роки тому +421

    Being too much like your mom, to the point of friction, hit close to home for me.

    • @nanahuatli2144
      @nanahuatli2144 4 роки тому +42

      I love how real the statement givers are. Personally I don't have this type of relationship, fortunately, but I've seen it happen to other people too often.

  • @kohtea
    @kohtea 2 роки тому +109

    i was already spoiled for what happened to sasha, but when jon's voice dies at "how it ki--" my heart just DROPPED

  • @atiredweeb8551
    @atiredweeb8551 Рік тому +44

    The way Jon's voice dies in his throat is just- 🤌🤌🤌
    HE FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT LETS GOOOOO
    But also holy crap his paranoia probably just jumped from "everyone is a suspect for Gerteude's murder" to "Everyone could be a shape shifting liar that killed Gertrude and can kill me too and no one would know. *I* wouldn't know "

  • @simavolodina
    @simavolodina 3 роки тому +186

    congrats, that's the first episode to really get under my skin and what did it wasn't even the supernatural part, just the real mom's stellar parenting

  • @nanahuatli2144
    @nanahuatli2144 4 роки тому +122

    Not!Them and Stranger namedrop! But he still hasn't recalled Not!Graham. And yeah, I guess it just likes replacing people to fuck with their acquaintances, nothing more organized than that.
    Poor Jon... :( I guess she really isn't coming back.

    • @b-blythe6763
      @b-blythe6763 3 роки тому +27

      It's odd that Not!Graham seemed to know something was coming for him though.

  • @late_prince8945
    @late_prince8945 4 роки тому +297

    But not Sasha, I liked her so much. I had this tiny hope she would come back, but that's a thing from kid's cartoons

    • @yourdadisastoner
      @yourdadisastoner 3 роки тому +6

      Are you from Poland?? I mean, your yt name surely is :D

    • @late_prince8945
      @late_prince8945 3 роки тому +10

      @@yourdadisastoner Yes, unfortunately.

    • @squesrobertson1881
      @squesrobertson1881 2 роки тому

      I like your mother.

    • @kehlcassidy9562
      @kehlcassidy9562 3 місяці тому

      I also hope she's just trapped somewhere, not dead, but... *sigh

  • @Stormada14
    @Stormada14 Рік тому +24

    Jon’s paranoia turned him into the boy who cried wolf
    Edit: Also fun fact there’s a psychological condition called capgras syndrome where someone believes that a person they know has been replaced by an impostor who looks like them

  • @samschmidt8772
    @samschmidt8772 3 роки тому +102

    I feel like this is the moment where things really became real for Jon. The worms were scary but they found out how to deal with them and while they had several brushes with danger then, they all made it out alive, at least that's what everyone thought. The fact that this whole time Sasha hasn't been Sasha and all of the realization that as safe as the archives has felt, they're not all that safe. That one of his people, one of his team, one of his friends, has died. I don't know what that's going to do to Jon. Frankly I'm scared for him. He's been through so much. I don't know how much more till he breaks.

  • @frogwithknives3749
    @frogwithknives3749 3 роки тому +93

    Is no one going to talk about the fact that jon read the end credits this time?

    • @ot7biasedmashups
      @ot7biasedmashups Рік тому +16

      THANKS FOR NOTICING. Shit threw me off. I wonder if Martin took over for a bit because Jon was getting too unstable and he's doing it himself again because, even though this situation is tragic, he's finally able to catch on? And like be more grounded in what the actual problem is instead of looking for Gertrude's killer?

  • @maxskellington910
    @maxskellington910 3 роки тому +66

    That whole "How it ki-" part imo was Jon realizing that the real Sasha was dead, and it just sort of hit him. akHjdshj god his voice makes me so fucking depressed

  • @birbelle
    @birbelle 2 роки тому +74

    And!! This also explains why Melanie remembers! It’s interesting to note that so many statement-makers die sometime after visiting the Institute, but clearly the Entities(?) want there to be survivors to tell their tale?? Or something?? Like how that poor lady ‘escaped’ from Michael, only to be caught again as soon as she made her statement. Michael could have taken her back at any time, but it chose THAT moment to do it. But then, didn’t Prentiss or someone say that the worms hate the Archives because knowledge reduces fear of the Entities or something? They were even physically slower once they entered the Archives,,, aaaaaa the pieces are slowly coming together but I can’t see what picture it is yet

    • @jaxsonadros2066
      @jaxsonadros2066 Рік тому +10

      I have a theory that uses one tiny spoiler, so spoilers below
      My theory is that the Eye interferes in some statement givers fates so that they can collect and consume the fear they produce from having to relive it. The Eyes interference is never confirmed outright iirc, but there is a detail that gets revealed later that jon reading the statements causes the statement givers to relive the moment or have nightmares of him staring at them.

    • @birbelle
      @birbelle Рік тому +2

      @@jaxsonadros2066 true!! plus all of the entities would benefit from statement givers bc when they relive their fear, they have to deal with both the og trauma (eg spiral) and new trauma of Having Something Watching. also... they probably just enjoy playing with their food lmao

  • @conibal5045
    @conibal5045 3 роки тому +38

    sasha kinda sus, i saw her vent in electrical...

    • @anoninunen
      @anoninunen 3 роки тому +15

      John: "I can vouch for Sasha, I saw her in the vents and she didn't kill me"

  • @KemonoPriestessHazuki
    @KemonoPriestessHazuki 4 роки тому +181

    Jane Prentiss "The horde of worms, pestilence" = X
    People's church of the divine host, Maxwell Reiner = X
    NOT!Sasha = Next on the hit list : - 3

    • @roxasxiii4454
      @roxasxiii4454 2 роки тому +20

      John's paranoia = INTENCE THERAPY

  • @dannhoff6646
    @dannhoff6646 4 роки тому +134

    Noo, please, i hope sasha isn't dead, or that she is instead trapped in something at least. I really liked her :'(

    • @nanahuatli2144
      @nanahuatli2144 4 роки тому +10

      I was hoping she was sucked in by the table or something.

  • @PirateGondolier
    @PirateGondolier 3 роки тому +43

    "i was never enough for my mother and so now i doubt myself and my achievements" lmao we call that imposter syndrome 👉👉

  • @namaschu9418
    @namaschu9418 3 роки тому +58

    I would sell my soul to Crowley himself to give John a hug

    • @bebeth8468
      @bebeth8468 2 роки тому

      Which one?

    • @namaschu9418
      @namaschu9418 2 роки тому

      @@bebeth8468 John Magnus Archives

    • @bebeth8468
      @bebeth8468 2 роки тому +2

      Nono, I mean which Crowley

    • @namaschu9418
      @namaschu9418 2 роки тому

      @@bebeth8468 Supernatural Crowley lol

    • @bebeth8468
      @bebeth8468 2 роки тому

      @@namaschu9418 nice

  • @fluffsnake
    @fluffsnake 3 роки тому +98

    this actually brought tears in my eyes when Jon's voice broke off.......... T_____T I had actually hoped the table caused all this and that Sasha got somehow trapped in it(??) and replaced... Sasha being dead is hard to accept :(((

    • @Vi_Vi_1
      @Vi_Vi_1 Рік тому +2

      I know, this one really hurts 😭

  • @signin6233
    @signin6233 4 роки тому +120

    I love Gertrude!! Gosh, her voice is so fantastic

    • @someoneawesome8717
      @someoneawesome8717 3 роки тому +8

      In terms of voice actors they are mother and son

    • @Vi_Vi_1
      @Vi_Vi_1 Рік тому +6

      @@someoneawesome8717 i love so much that Jon's irl mother plays Gertrude. It's such a fun detail

    • @someoneawesome8717
      @someoneawesome8717 Рік тому +4

      @@Vi_Vi_1 Sue Sims is a delightful woman

    • @Vi_Vi_1
      @Vi_Vi_1 Рік тому +2

      @@someoneawesome8717 indeed! Also apparently having a great voice runs in the family lol

  • @HyacinthoIgnis
    @HyacinthoIgnis 4 роки тому +85

    the stranger huh 👀but oh god oh god the season end approaching holy shit
    poor jon :(

    • @Jas-ii2bi
      @Jas-ii2bi 4 роки тому +6

      I've been hearing about the stranger in the comments for a while, nice to finally actually get there in the series!

  • @Carolina57685
    @Carolina57685 4 роки тому +155

    i knew theyd mention changelings when lucy talked about folklore, love it!! (even if thats not exactly what the creatures are exactly in this universe)

    • @justinjacobs1501
      @justinjacobs1501 4 роки тому +14

      Folklore is often the attempt to explain the unexplainable...

    • @Carolina57685
      @Carolina57685 4 роки тому +2

      @@justinjacobs1501 yeah, i know?

  • @hermazingbartels2377
    @hermazingbartels2377 3 роки тому +30

    It was a shock to hear Jon’s voice doing the outro! Now I’m used to Martin!

  • @pree381
    @pree381 3 роки тому +100

    I had just the strangest sense of deja vu this entire episode. This is my first listen through of this podcast but I could have sworn I'd heard this story before.

    • @yanshero42
      @yanshero42 3 роки тому +8

      That's so strange, I felt the same O_O

    • @americantoastman7296
      @americantoastman7296 3 роки тому +15

      In case anyone reads these and starts to feel spooked about "weird coincidences" - i didnt get that feeling. At all.
      Sorry :

    • @saurabhsharma6939
      @saurabhsharma6939 3 роки тому +4

      I think the reason being you pretty much knew what was going to happen in the statement and jon's realization

    • @spud2576
      @spud2576 3 роки тому +18

      You did.
      Unfortunately I don’t have the episode number but we’ve heard a similar story about something like this before.
      It was a man instead, he was a bit weird beforehand and made the protagonist uncomfortable, and towards the end he started to act very paranoid. The protagonist notices that a creature with long arms was reaching out of the guys window and in the morning the protagonist notices that the guy isn’t quite the same, and the Not!creepy guy says something vaguely threatening to him.
      Again, I don’t have all the details memorised, but this isn’t the only story like this.

    • @saurabhsharma6939
      @saurabhsharma6939 3 роки тому +21

      @@spud2576 that should be our episode 3 "Across the street" with amy patel and Not Graham

  • @golesh-ow5dp
    @golesh-ow5dp Рік тому +7

    Sometime ago someone left a comment along the lines of"dif you know - when the recording is truly abnormal you can hear static " i thought that it couldn't be right . This time i turned the volume up. There. It. Was . Literally shivers . TMA has such amazing attention to details .

    • @PedroKing19
      @PedroKing19 6 місяців тому +2

      I hope you know it's been this way since the very first episode! It's worth a re-listen lol!

  • @maddyc2025
    @maddyc2025 4 роки тому +50

    Hearing Jon s o so upset hurts...

  • @catch5145
    @catch5145 2 роки тому +21

    i really love Gertrude's delivery on statements! it's a bit more matter of fact and it sounds like she's discovering the information as we are, and i like that about it

  • @dark-harvet4897
    @dark-harvet4897 Рік тому +14

    When I first listened to TMA I barely noticed that Sasha was replaced, so I was honestly in the same mental spot as Jon when the pieces were put together

  • @vX-ter_
    @vX-ter_ 3 роки тому +30

    I feel bad for jon in this episode, i mean, he found out that the sasha at thats now working at the archives is a fake, he reaslised that the real sasha could be and he cant tell anyone about it without risking gertrudes case going up in flames. All that stress is really going to damage his mental health more than it already is, i feel bad ya know :(

  • @molol44
    @molol44 Рік тому +9

    This is probably the scariest episode so far next to the underwater cave for me. Being killed and having your very existence erased to be replaced by someone else is horrifying. Plus Jon finally having that lightbulb moment about Sasha. The grief and guilt in his voice is palpable.

  • @bluehairychair4885
    @bluehairychair4885 2 роки тому +14

    My mommy issues throughout this episode: strap in bae, we are in for a rollercoaster 🎢

  • @tamaralso
    @tamaralso 3 роки тому +26

    Oh! I thought re-listening would make it less heartbreaking! I was wrong!

    • @bunny4732
      @bunny4732 3 місяці тому

      I’m also here on a relisten and everyone’s comments on every ep are so good
      but this has become my new favorite comment on all the eps I’ve listened to so far because same 🥲

  • @RoseMultiverse
    @RoseMultiverse 4 роки тому +66

    Jon take some time to grieve man

  • @Glamiers
    @Glamiers 11 місяців тому +4

    He’s finally putting it together! Also I think he should definitely tell Martin, I feel like Martin would be the only one to understand

  • @evagrev7351
    @evagrev7351 2 роки тому +19

    My theory from this episode and what we know so far:
    At last, the realisation we've all been waiting for. John finally put it together in the last episode, finally the supernatural's try or, to be exact in this episode, Not!Sasha's powers of making him not notice all the weird things about her weren't stronger than his will to know, to find out the truth. And he now knows that all those feelings were right: Not!Sasha is not Sasha. I was kinda hoping that Sasha wouldn't actually be dead, but since in this case there hasn't been anyone claiming to be the mother after the father died means that either the real mother was never in the normal-dimension ever again or that she was but under a different identity (something like forgetting her past life and being given another one where someone else knows that she's not who she claims to be or having amnesia or something like that, I don't know). Gertrude's burning the tape sounds reasonable, I wouldn't want to attract that creature's attention either and if you don't know how it works then it's best not to risk it, but I don't know if her burning the tape was only just because of that reason. That and her neglect of investigating further because "it would be a waste of time" sounds to me more like she didn't want to go to the offense with that creature and only wanted to collect the info about it.
    We get two names, Not!Them and the Stranger, so these are the names of two creatures who may or may not be the same entity with different manifestations. I mean, a person you know being replaced by a stranger does sound like something that an entity called Stranger would do, but many of those entities are very similar with others though they're different, so we don't know yet.
    Gertrude's last remark, of it being a creature that just goes and replaces people at random for a short time each time and the damage it would do if it had a plan, makes me believe that Not!Sasha does indeed have a plan. Her long "dates" at the wax museum, her volunteering to go and check out the taxidermy shop, her staying as Not!Sasha for so long, the shreds of paper John found in her desk when he was "checking for files", her going to the tunnels again and again, it's clear that she has a plan, a plan that we don't know yet, and she's working with someone else outside the Institute. Hopefully her plan will be shown in this season's finale, I'd hate to see her being inside the Institute for another season and John having to pretend everything is okay when he sure as hell knows it's not.

    • @hiddenace1953
      @hiddenace1953 2 роки тому +4

      Thank you for always replying to these videos. Your conclusive theories are so interesting and these are always what I'm thinking. Honestly I just love them so I just wanted to say thank you.

    • @evagrev7351
      @evagrev7351 2 роки тому +3

      @@hiddenace1953 Thank you for your kind words :$ ^_^

  • @lizziejones2183
    @lizziejones2183 Рік тому +9

    The way the statement just starts "There is a stranger claiming to be my mother," made me want to throw up

  • @kimberlyalexandrae1
    @kimberlyalexandrae1 3 роки тому +33

    I just wanan cry man. I loved Sasha! How could this be done to a main character!!! ;_; I hope she's brought back somehow but its unlikely.

    • @TheNitpickChick
      @TheNitpickChick 3 роки тому +8

      Oh... no. Strap in my friend. 😔
      (Although this comment is a month old, so I’m sure you know by now what is to come... 😢)

  • @snugg1e143
    @snugg1e143 4 роки тому +62

    *cries*

  • @maggiem6209
    @maggiem6209 Рік тому +6

    Holy shit. I've been sitting here, listening to this while crocheting a reading shawl. I knew pretty early it was the Not!Them, but when the reporter mentioned the Changlings tape, and when Jon mentioned that Sasha's tapes were the only ones missing, EVERY HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STOOD ON END.
    That was such a terrifying and emotional delivery holy SHIT.

  • @jaredlucev2705
    @jaredlucev2705 2 роки тому +11

    "What confuses me is why one or two people can always see through it?"
    Me: "Well, we need something for the episode don't we?"

  • @macabrecitrus2127
    @macabrecitrus2127 2 роки тому +8

    This is so sad... The grief that it must cause to realize a loved one died months ago without you knowing...

  • @nikonikoknees4488
    @nikonikoknees4488 3 роки тому +10

    dude I can't even listen through the audio recording of Gertrude telling the story because it just sends so many chills down my spine.

  • @debbiebishop86
    @debbiebishop86 4 роки тому +57

    i love gertrude so much..................

  • @namaschu9418
    @namaschu9418 3 роки тому +16

    I was so afraid of how John would react and I was right to be

  • @coreacartoonist
    @coreacartoonist 4 роки тому +27

    I’m afraid for Jon :(

  • @aw3707
    @aw3707 3 роки тому +16

    hey outro jon is back

  • @Andrea-lu8fz
    @Andrea-lu8fz 3 роки тому +28

    OMgg this one hit me hard,, i love my mom so much so just thinking about this gives me Chills ;--; ,, also props to jonathan who probably is going to do a big dumb thing again for his trust issues :))) totally cool :)) also The Stranger (with block mayus) aparently the Not!Them is an "aspect" of it, so we can only asume the creatures we have seen before likely are an "aspect" of one other big thing behind them!!!!!! cant wait to find out where this leads T--T

  • @cezar3169
    @cezar3169 3 роки тому +8

    Jeez, this one really scared the crap out of me. I couldn't bear the thought of my mother dying and a Not!Them replacing her and my father ignorant about the woman he was kissing.

  • @late_prince8945
    @late_prince8945 4 роки тому +38

    Oh man, I know this one is gonna be good

  • @meilen2819
    @meilen2819 3 роки тому +22

    ok so I it threw me off when I heard Jon's voice at the credits and not Alexander's

  • @Alsarnia
    @Alsarnia 6 місяців тому +4

    Jon's been so bad at this spying thing so far so now I'm just imagining him forcefully wedging himself between Not!Sasha and the others while giving her suspicous glares and not explaining himself.
    You're not subtle, Jon. Go take a nap.

  • @cantaloupegodling352
    @cantaloupegodling352 4 місяці тому +2

    The way he trailed off saying "how it kills" in that second he properly realised the fact Sasha is actually dead.

  • @nabibobetauu
    @nabibobetauu 2 роки тому +4

    I knew it, that’s why all of the tapes with Sasha voices disappeared - they’re the only thing that don’t get overwritten

  • @oldbeef8103
    @oldbeef8103 4 роки тому +59

    gertrude is so sessiiiiii

  • @Cthulhuer
    @Cthulhuer 3 роки тому +15

    This episode gave me literal chills

  • @f_mva
    @f_mva 3 роки тому +19

    this episode is amazing! but im VERY curious about the "aspect of the stranger" thing... i have some theories that i think are turning out to be correct

  • @tonio1377
    @tonio1377 4 роки тому +18

    HOLY FUCK
    Tho thinking about how this is going to mess up Jon even more is slightly terrifying ;_; someone helps my boy please

  • @epsyblue7714
    @epsyblue7714 3 роки тому +7

    Poor Jon. This revelation is really hurting him.

  • @tinytortoise1998
    @tinytortoise1998 9 місяців тому +3

    If the original Rose Cooper studied English and Irish folklore, she probably was familiar with changelings. I imagine that whatever replaced her found it funny to turn her into one of the myths she studied.

  • @pyrosianheir
    @pyrosianheir 3 роки тому +32

    Oh, thank god... Jon didn't go on to an entirely unrelated case. Good. Sad, since he's likely about to realize that Sasha's been gone for a while, but good.
    Edit: OH SNAP! I think this was the first mention of a name for one of the... source things for each fear source! And, sure enough, Jon's about to break down... Poor guy. He's not the emotionally stunted person that the rest of the cast seem to think he is....

    • @mimkyodar
      @mimkyodar 3 роки тому +5

      Mary Keay outright mentions The End though. and Trevor directly alludes to The Hunt

    • @pyrosianheir
      @pyrosianheir 2 роки тому

      @@mimkyodar I must have left off for a night between Mary's and this one the first time through.
      When did Trevor mention the Hunt, directly? I don't remember a proper name drop for it.

    • @alabaster_rox
      @alabaster_rox Рік тому +2

      There was also when Mike Crew used Ex Altiora and invoked The Vast!

    • @Idran
      @Idran Рік тому +4

      Back in the hospital episode, ep 12, Gerard namedropped the Beholding and the Desolation, I think that was the absolute earliest?

  • @Drak_buddy
    @Drak_buddy 8 місяців тому +3

    Everytime he realizes this means Sasha is dead the moment it sets in it always makes me wanna cry he cares so much

  • @midnights2631
    @midnights2631 Рік тому +3

    The pain in Jon's voice is sad, he had the realization his friend, Sasha, is dead. :(

  • @racoon_in_ankhmorpork
    @racoon_in_ankhmorpork Рік тому +2

    Poor Jon. The realisation that Sasha is likely dead… the voice acting broke my heart. Poor, poor Jon.

  • @robertj7414
    @robertj7414 11 місяців тому +5

    It feeds on fear, leaving one or two to feed itself. If no one notices at all there would be no one to fear it.

  • @LBNyoutube
    @LBNyoutube 4 роки тому +51

    The only problem is that I saw “not Sasha” in the credits and basically spoiled it myself. Other than that it was super good.

    • @Not_Lilly42
      @Not_Lilly42 4 роки тому +48

      It happened at the end of last season. We here her going though the artifact storage and when she gets to the table something happens. Since then her voice was different.

    • @coreacartoonist
      @coreacartoonist 4 роки тому +62

      You.. you were supposed to have known since literally episode 40. This isn’t a plot twist.

    • @charliem.1368
      @charliem.1368 4 роки тому +26

      i like to think that it was put there intentionally. knowing that the person (or thing) that appeared to be sasha was not her added a layer of suspense that at least i enjoyed

    • @allenl5960
      @allenl5960 3 роки тому +13

      I don't think it was meant to be hidden, being an open secret at best, but seeing how I couldn't tell not Sasha from Sasha myself, it did kind of feel like a spoiler when I first saw it.

    • @Fragmentsinfractals488
      @Fragmentsinfractals488 2 роки тому +12

      It is the Hitchcock technique. There is a bomb under the desk. The auidience sees the bomb. The characters don't. It builts dramatic tension. Who will slip, and what will happen when they do?

  • @nrpbrown
    @nrpbrown 3 роки тому +6

    Fun episode to have your mother narrate!

  • @toastghost9145
    @toastghost9145 5 років тому +58

    With Sims once again voicing the endcard, I can't shake the feeling that the previous voice this season was Not-John.

    • @cawareyoudoin7379
      @cawareyoudoin7379 4 роки тому +7

      WAIT A SECOND

    • @sophienah4654
      @sophienah4654 4 роки тому +25

      i thought it was martin?

    • @cawareyoudoin7379
      @cawareyoudoin7379 4 роки тому +13

      Yeah, I think it was Martin too. Curious why, though.

    • @emerson3323
      @emerson3323 4 роки тому +21

      @@cawareyoudoin7379 Martin's voice actor is the director and sounscaper for the show, so it makes sense that he does a lot of the announcements.

    • @cawareyoudoin7379
      @cawareyoudoin7379 4 роки тому +17

      @@emerson3323 My dear friend. It's been two months. I am a different person now. I know that, and much more now. Sometimes much more than I'd want to. I am awaiting the last season, and though I'm not up to date with all trivia, I DO now know that Alex is the director. I was quite immersed back then, and this was my first podcast ever, so I had no idea what was going on (didn't help that Jonathan Sims was played by Jonathan Sims. In Night Vale (the second podcast I'm listening to), they at least had the decency to give him a different surname. Oh, mr Sims...). I was listening to it on youtube, and wanted to have it on my phone without using the internet, so I went to do something else, played the episode on the computer, and tried recording on my phone. Fortunately it locked itself, and I did discover the podcasts app.
      I'm a different person now.

  • @lauraperic5596
    @lauraperic5596 2 роки тому +4

    this is the first ep in a while to have jon narrating the end(outro or whatever thats called)

  • @CamilleChauTempsDesCerises
    @CamilleChauTempsDesCerises 8 місяців тому +3

    Gertrude knows so much more than us and Jon, it's fascinating to listen to her

  • @Alsarnia
    @Alsarnia 6 місяців тому +2

    "I can't tell the others"
    Well, we all know how bad you are at lying so it won't be long until they figure out you know something anyway.

  • @matthewkisner5386
    @matthewkisner5386 2 роки тому +5

    I don't usually make comments. But I have no one to speculate with about this, so please humor me. But I believe that the reason for some people remembering and others not is that while it has to blend in, the fear has to come from somewhere. What would be scary or amiss if it simply changed everything?

    • @Piper_____
      @Piper_____ 2 роки тому +1

      That’s a really good theory! I also saw someone say that it only impacts those who know them really well, but I don’t know if that tracks given the neighbors’ altered recollections. This theory that you have makes a lot of sense, especially since the not!them seem to take joy in the terror they cause those that know

  • @sololad2423
    @sololad2423 3 роки тому +11

    We got a name for it!

  • @Spar10Leonidas
    @Spar10Leonidas 3 роки тому +5

    Looks like my comment on an earlier episode where I referred to this entity as a “changeling” was rather prescient, even if that isn’t the name that the characters in the series prefer to use.

  • @sheepgrass500
    @sheepgrass500 3 місяці тому +2

    I heard that this podcast has a fear for everybody and omg this is def my episode, one of my most common nightmares are where my mom isn't my mom, like it looks like her but 100% is not her, and all I do is scream or cry because I know it wants to hurt me but I can't just run away because I have to find my real mom if she isn't already dead. Ngl this episode is freakily specific to those nightmares lolll

  • @fauxclaws
    @fauxclaws 11 місяців тому +3

    dam, if he tries to tell anyone they might just think he's being overly paranoid again. Plus the brief silence were he's realizing sasha is probably dead. Up untill now i'v kinda been holding out hope that there's some way to bring her back, but his reaction makes it feel more like she's gone for good now.

  • @LunDruid
    @LunDruid 2 роки тому +4

    I don't know why this story kinda got to me a bit... went to give my mother a hug.

  • @uncreativeusername7148
    @uncreativeusername7148 3 роки тому +4

    George Cooper is also the name of Sheldon Coopers father and I pictured his face all the time they talked about the father lmao
    Also poor Jon :c
    I love this podcast so much and I'm glad they're finally catching on about Not!Sasha

  • @themaskedinc.786
    @themaskedinc.786 24 дні тому +1

    HO. LY. SHIIITTT. THE PLOT IS GETTING SO THICK I LOVE IT!!

  • @dpmjmun
    @dpmjmun 2 місяці тому +1

    I've been recording stories from my grandpa, got me right on the mood for this ep again

  • @anteyefolkz7777
    @anteyefolkz7777 3 роки тому +10

    That's nothing , when I was miraculously born , I was almost dead from the umbilical cord looped around my neck. Considering the terror of a life that has followed , I realise her own body was trying to kill me before I even knew it, how fuckin scary is that?

    • @mjamin9124
      @mjamin9124 3 роки тому +6

      the umbilical cord is actually made up of fetal cells- it was part of your body, not hers. imo that makes it even creepier in some ways

  • @bastardcoconut9785
    @bastardcoconut9785 3 роки тому +2

    "how it works, how it ki--" ouch that hurted

  • @juliankohler5086
    @juliankohler5086 Рік тому +3

    This is a big fear of mine. My mother being replaced by _something else_ pretending to be her. Also, my image in the mirror being unrecognizable or doing something I'm not doing. I don't fear stuff that's outside. They either don't exist (ghosts and such) or all you need is caution and respect for the danger (like heights, lions, etc). These things I fear are the corruption of myself.

    • @fevre_dream8542
      @fevre_dream8542 Рік тому +1

      Oh I have the EXACT SAME mirror fear. It's actually bad enough that I cover most of mine. Too scared I'll glance over and see my reflection grinning at me.

    • @juliankohler5086
      @juliankohler5086 Рік тому

      @@fevre_dream8542 My fear actually started from experiences I had during my childhood, when I just wouldn't recognize the person on the mirror as me all of a sudden. It doesn't happen anymore, but I take my precautions. I remember it was pretty disturbing.

    • @Badficwriter
      @Badficwriter 2 місяці тому

      @@fevre_dream8542 You guys are scaring me, and I've played the Bloody Mary game where you chant her name and go look in the bathroom mirror with the light off. Of course its just your own reflection looking spooky because its dark, but the discomfort is strong enough to not play the game again.

  • @laurenloertscher1319
    @laurenloertscher1319 9 місяців тому +1

    These ones, the spooky rather than the violent or disgusting, these ones are my favorite.