Camera Sensor Neutral Density Filter // STC Optics Clip-in ND Filter Update

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  • Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
  • In today's video on camera sensor neutral density filters, I give an update on using the STC Optics Clip-in ND filter.
    I briefly stopping using the ND filter in February when I bought the Sony A7RIV. Sony changed the cabin size surrounding the sensor, which means the STC Optics filters that I made a video on last year no longer fit. I unfortunately discovered this when one got stuck inside my A7RIV, requiring me to yang it out with pliers, which broke the ground glass while over my sensor. Truly a nightmare as I though I had destroyed the sensor on my brand new camera. Thankfully I was able to safely clean it off.
    Now, STC Optics has released updated filters to fit the A7RIV and A9II, and they have a number of improvements.
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  • @mikeyfl
    @mikeyfl 3 роки тому +7

    Curious, have you tried KASE clip in filters and how they compare to STCs? I know KASE is not magnetic for starters, but I wonder about performance and quality.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  2 роки тому +1

      STC Optical developed the system first, and I bought them as soon as they were launched. I've enjoyed the products so I haven't tried or compared to Kase.

  • @Jwitherow1964
    @Jwitherow1964 3 роки тому +1

    I have mine but haven’t use it yet thanks for turning us on to them Robert u Rock

  • @ralphtime
    @ralphtime 4 роки тому +3

    I just my 6 stop last week. It’s awesome for my sigma 35 1.2

  • @DethronerX
    @DethronerX Рік тому

    Definitely would make sense to get this version. Thanks!

  • @67MACdaddy
    @67MACdaddy 4 роки тому +3

    Robert, have you tried using one of these filters along with a VND for fine tuning?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +3

      I actually did exactly that for video once. Paired the 4 stop on sensor with a light VND for shooting 24 fps video in the afternoon.

    • @67MACdaddy
      @67MACdaddy 4 роки тому

      @@robhallphoto Thanks buddy!

  • @TheRealHarrypm
    @TheRealHarrypm 3 роки тому +1

    Its the shutter shield that was damaged not the sensor/ibis module Sony have a 4 layer build with the gen 4 style bodys IO-ports/Cooling/Core/Shutter with a 3 piece shell back diels/screen, top EVF/command diles/ Core mount/frount. the biggest thing is that its only a couple screws to get at the 3.5mm audio ports that die under any real tension and can be replaced for 10Usd a pop.

  • @alexmarchesini96
    @alexmarchesini96 4 роки тому +2

    You should make a video about freeIng action with hss as you said at the end!

  • @GerardoM_com
    @GerardoM_com 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks for all the informative content! These filters aren't on Amazon. Is it safe/reliable to order directly from STC? Their site has been saying "Available on backorder" for weeks.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +3

      Anyone who has purchased them got them directly from STC, so I'd say it's safe!

    • @GerardoM_com
      @GerardoM_com 4 роки тому +1

      @@robhallphoto Super! Thank you so much!

  • @RawGreySun
    @RawGreySun 4 роки тому

    Will magnet work with older versions of ND filters? I have them for my Fuji X-T3. Still not sure if I am to use those little cushion tabs on ND filter?

  • @FastAkira
    @FastAkira 4 роки тому +1

    Noob question. I'm looking into their website to see if I can buy one of this ND filters for my Fuji GFX 50R. They have several options to chose from. Is the "IR-CUT ND64" the same thing you're using?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +3

      Yes, all the NDs are called IR cut. 64 is the 6 stop and the one I guggest if you want max apertures of 1.4 in bright daylight

    • @FastAkira
      @FastAkira 4 роки тому

      @@robhallphoto thanks man. I'll get this then. Im glad you shared this

  • @ST-fl5fy
    @ST-fl5fy 3 роки тому

    So I heard you can change settings to avoid the dark filter and focus clearly. Can this be done with Z6 also?

  • @azmarineinoki
    @azmarineinoki 4 роки тому

    I remember you saying at WPPI it was not working well on the new camera. Still waiting on the Z 6/7 model.

  • @MladenBorisovPhoto
    @MladenBorisovPhoto 2 роки тому

    Hello and thank you for all your videos!

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  2 роки тому

      usa.stcoptics.com/products/copy-of-astrophotography-clip-filter-series-for-sony-a1-a7siii-a9ii-a7r4-fx3-cameras

  • @AndresMartinez-rg5ky
    @AndresMartinez-rg5ky 3 роки тому +1

    Can i clean this like a regular sensor?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  3 роки тому

      It’s not a sensor, it’s a filter, so clean it like you would a filter.

  • @michaelballance1893
    @michaelballance1893 4 роки тому +1

    The ND filters also require more power from the flash. 4 stops more for an ND4 etc. How many stops do you save using HSS instead of ND filters?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +8

      No, they don't. People constantly misunderstand this.
      Imagine you're outdoors, shooting ambient exposure settings of
      1/250 F/5.6 ISO 100. Flash at 1/4 power. Image is perfect brightness but you want shallow depth of field .
      Option 1)
      add 4 stop ND
      settings are now
      1/250 F/1.4 ISO 100
      Flash loses 4 stops from ND, but gains 4 stops from aperture opening up 4 stops. They cancel each other out, flash is still at 1/4 power to make the same brightness as original settings.
      Adding an ND filter will always mean the flash has the exact same relationship to the ambient light and camera settings (provided power level and position stay the same). Yes you darken the entire image, but there's no "loss" of flash power, relatively speaking.
      Option 2)
      Change settings to
      1/4000 F/1.4 ISO 100
      Flash loses 2 (depends on flash) stops of light going into HSS.
      Flash loses 4 stops of light due to shutter speed increase beyond sync speed. Flash gains 4 stops of light due to aperture opening up. The aperture and shutter speed changes cancel one another out, but the flash lost 2 stops because of repeated pulses of HSS.
      So, in order to match brightness of original settings, flash needs to be brightened 2 stops from 1/4 to 1/1.
      HSS is ALWAYS less efficient than ND + standard sync for equivalent exposures, and the difference in how much is ALWAYS based on the efficiency loss of the strobe entering HSS. This can be anywhere from 1 stop to over 3 stops, depending on the lighting product and power setting.

  • @terrenceturner7073
    @terrenceturner7073 4 роки тому

    Clip fit for the win

  • @emoboi311
    @emoboi311 2 роки тому

    Hey Robert, would my Sony a55 SLR work with any of these clip filter products? It has the APS-C sensor, I know they make the clip filters for those sensors but it doesn’t say if it’s compatible with the a55…?

    • @Lucy-dk5cz
      @Lucy-dk5cz 2 роки тому

      Maybe contact them? Just an idea

  • @zgravity00
    @zgravity00 3 роки тому

    Hi Rob if you haven’t already please please consider making a video about using hss for freezing action being hit with strong ambient light. As you can see from my avatar, that’s what I do for majority of my work.

  • @josipbatic868
    @josipbatic868 4 роки тому

    Any info when nd would be available for a7rIV? Thank you :)

  • @jcmx2222
    @jcmx2222 2 роки тому

    Any code to have discount with stc optics man? Shipping is 35 usd to my country

  • @fdemarqui
    @fdemarqui 4 роки тому +1

    what is the difference between using ND filters on the sensor and on the lens ND filters?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +1

      There are no visual differences. Just the practical aspects, like lens ND filters require different sizes, step up rings, or square mounts to accommodate various thread sizes. Also there are some ultra wide angle lenses that cant have a filter at all.

  • @Dartheomus
    @Dartheomus 2 роки тому

    Do you still like using the clip in filters? I bought the Kase ones and sent them back. I found that the filters being so close to the sensor meant that even a tiny spec of dust would show up clear as day in my images. Combine that with the fact that the case for the Kase filters was ungodly dirty right out of the box, and man what a bad experience. I also didn't like their suction cup tool for removal. I ended up having one glass fall out of the frame before I even mounted it, and I had another case where the frame got stuck in my R5 similar to what you described. Yeahhhh... No more clip in filters for me.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  2 роки тому +1

      Still use them all the time. I can count on one hand how many times I’ve used HSS since getting them. That’s absurd that the Kase case is dirty when new. I do double check my filters for dust before using them but I just keep them in a small plastic case and there’s never been an issue.

  • @AthenaCarey
    @AthenaCarey 3 роки тому

    Hi Rob - thank you for this video. I found it because I have an older STC filter stuck in an A7r4. I had no idea my filter is not the newest version! The website I bought it from says it's compatible with all A7 series cameras. ~sigh.
    Do you have any advice on how to remove the filter without damaging the camera?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  2 роки тому

      Hey Athena, I'm so sorry I just saw this because I know firsthand how frustrating the experience is. I used it in my RIV, and it got stuck, and it actually broke getting it out. This all stems from Sony changing the sensor box size without any formal announcement / explanation, which is why there was a period where it was assumed compatible but lead to this issue.
      I'm sure you've had some form of resolution by now (hopefully an easy one), but for anyone else who possibly runs into this:
      Keep the camera off. Mount your camera on a tripod or stand with the sensor facing down. If the glass does break, you want it to fall out of the sensor box, rather than onto the sensor. I suggest putting something (a silicone toothpick works well) on one side, and prying from the other. This way as you pry you maintain a small gap on the opposite side rather than it getting jammed in crooked.
      If it does break, don't freak out thinking your sensor is automatically destroyed. When it broke in mine my entire sensor was covered in ground glass. Blow as much out as possible, jostle the camera around lightly tapping the exterior to loosen it up from any hard to reach areas, blow again. Just keep using a rocket blow in close proximity until all evidence of ground glass is gone. Do not use compressed air and do not turn the camera on until you see no glass pieces. Only then should you clean the sensor with a sensor swab.

  • @jimdianajones2019
    @jimdianajones2019 4 роки тому

    I know this was for the Sony Mount, but are these available for canon RF mount? I wanting to get the Sigma 14-24 and there doesn’t seem to be much around in terms of rear ND filters. Any help would be greatly appreciated👍🏻

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +2

      Yup RF mount is already on their site. The website is linked in the description.

    • @jimdianajones2019
      @jimdianajones2019 4 роки тому

      Robert Hall Photography Dude: You Rock🤘🏻thanks heaps!

  • @ReelLightPictures
    @ReelLightPictures 4 роки тому

    How would these new filters fit with the A7s3? Is the a7s3 housing the same as the a7r4?

  • @ekphotography
    @ekphotography 2 роки тому

    Does anything exist like this but for behind the lens and not the camera sensor..?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  2 роки тому

      ND filters? Yeah they've been around forever.

    • @ekphotography
      @ekphotography 2 роки тому

      @@robhallphoto I meant behind the lens inside..

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  2 роки тому +1

      @@ekphotography oh, outside of drop-in systems built into lenses (Like Tamron 15-30mm), or drop-in filter adapters for Canon EF to RF - no, I'm not aware of any.

  • @curtisclement
    @curtisclement 4 роки тому

    How is focus effected? I also have the A7RIV. It doesn’t seem to be available yet on their site.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +1

      I have no issues with focus outdoors on the 6 stop, eye AF still accurate. I've never tried using the 10 stop for portraiture though as that's excessive.

    • @curtisclement
      @curtisclement 4 роки тому

      Robert Hall Photography is this an affiliate link? If so I’ll purchase through it as this couldn’t have come at a more perfect time.

  • @saskelee
    @saskelee 4 роки тому +1

    i see you shred the beard.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому

      Gotta get this neck some daylight

    • @saskelee
      @saskelee 4 роки тому

      @@robhallphoto lol i hear yo man

  • @misterlove7034
    @misterlove7034 4 роки тому

    So you personally don’t use any type of strobe if you have this nd filter on? How many stops do you prefer?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +2

      Huh? No I still use strobes for pretty much everything. I use the ND filter WITH strobes in traditional sync. The point of the ND filter is to avoid HSS.

    • @misterlove7034
      @misterlove7034 4 роки тому

      Robert Hall Photography oh! Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying that. Would you say 4 stop is enough? I don’t have the money to buy 4,6,10 so I just want to buy one.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому

      If I were buying 1 I'd buy the 6 stop because that will take sunny 16 conditions down to F/1.4. If that's too much, you can always raise your ISO a bit. But, if you don't tend to shoot wider than F/2, the 4 stop is fine.

    • @misterlove7034
      @misterlove7034 4 роки тому +1

      Robert Hall Photography thanks a lot brother! I’m getting the 6 stop nd

  • @zrowedaartistviews2278
    @zrowedaartistviews2278 3 роки тому

    What if you don’t need a 6 stops how do you adjust

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  3 роки тому

      raise your ISO, or get less than a 6 stop filter.

  • @melancholyrain8408
    @melancholyrain8408 Рік тому

    Do you perfer kolari or stc?

  • @ivonahumpalot538
    @ivonahumpalot538 4 роки тому

    4 stop or 6 stop since summer is over and its not going to be as bright?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому

      I wouldn't base my decision on one season...

    • @ivonahumpalot538
      @ivonahumpalot538 4 роки тому

      @@robhallphoto ok I'm going with the 6 stop, do you think that's too much if its not super sunny or I just have to try it out

  • @pabluxmendex113
    @pabluxmendex113 2 роки тому

    I'd recommend not to buy STC.
    I bought 1 ND filter from them and it came with a lot of dust.
    I sent photos to them when I got it and they said:
    "We apologize for the filter condition, it shouldn't be like it. We will improve our QC process immediately.
    Very sorry for letting you receive the unclean filter, as apologized we like to make the filter become 20% discount and the adhesive for free."
    Since they were not gonna replace I decided to properly clean the filter and still has 3 small dusk-like marks.
    I don't recommend, a product that goes to your camera should come faultless from factory.

  • @FstopPicturesByAlunDavies
    @FstopPicturesByAlunDavies 4 роки тому +1

    I wish they had these for Nikon dslr

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому

      Yeah it's a little odd for dSLR's with the mirror. Probably for the best since it affects your visibility through the viewfinder and will likely significantly impact focusing.

    • @FstopPicturesByAlunDavies
      @FstopPicturesByAlunDavies 4 роки тому

      Robert Hall Photography A filter adapter like the z6 uses maybe thinner would be awesome esp for lens that can’t take a filter like the 14-24 Allowing for nd or polorizer filters

    • @BklynBorn81
      @BklynBorn81 4 роки тому

      @吳孟聰 any thoughts on a 13 stop ND filter or a hot mirror filter for full spectrum converted cameras?

    • @BklynBorn81
      @BklynBorn81 4 роки тому

      @吳孟聰 That's fine. I want it for longer exposures during the day so I can stretch out the clouds. Any chance on a hot mirror for full spectrum cameras?

    • @BklynBorn81
      @BklynBorn81 3 роки тому

      @吳孟聰 any update on the 13 stop ND?

  • @amarshah1666
    @amarshah1666 4 роки тому

    had seen a review of stc nd filter giving blurr image on yhe corners. please check it once for urself and make a video on that. in video mode too.thanks.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +2

      I shared that dissenting review in my first video. I don't experience that.

  • @paigecfrancis
    @paigecfrancis 4 роки тому

    While I like the filter, I prefer the vnd from polar pro. Luckily I only need the one for my lenses.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +3

      I still use VND's for video but these definitely affect my image quality way less than the extremes of a VND.

  • @kaydawgy1999
    @kaydawgy1999 11 місяців тому

    Did STC Optics go outta business?

  • @emoboi311
    @emoboi311 2 роки тому

    Okay

  • @BklynBorn81
    @BklynBorn81 4 роки тому

    If there is any way you can use your celebrity to suggest to them to create a 13 or 14 stop ND filter and a Hot Mirror filter, we would all be eternally grateful.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому

      They've checked my videos in the past for feedback, I imagine they'll do it with this one too.

    • @BklynBorn81
      @BklynBorn81 4 роки тому

      @@robhallphoto That's awesome. I usually use B+W filters until I got the Fuji 8-16. When I compared it to the STC filter, I did the math and found out the B+W 10 stop is more like a 12.5-13 stop and I liked how dark it was. It really helps get longer exposures during the day. A Clip Hot Mirror filter would turn full spectrum converted cameras to normal cameras that you can use circular filters with at the same time.

  • @RonBrownLightworkxStudio
    @RonBrownLightworkxStudio 4 роки тому

    Too expensive for me.

  • @galexyphoto5725
    @galexyphoto5725 4 роки тому +3

    I'm not sure I can take advice from somebody so skinny.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 роки тому +3

      The opinions in this video definitely carry less weight.

    • @galexyphoto5725
      @galexyphoto5725 4 роки тому +1

      @@robhallphoto Okay, Slim-Me, touche.