I’m in withdrawal now and I’m in tears. Kinda feel alone but it helps a bit to know that there are other people out there that went through the same thing
Great presentation Jacki Hillios! Stigma and shame; my two closest companions. As a nurse for more than 30 years, returning to the clinical setting after earning my license back was incredibly difficult and shameful, hoping that my journey remain a secret. Now 3 years sober, I am eager to share my story and if revealing myself helps one colleague, it is all worth it. I wrote an e-book, lecture at nursing schools and face those from my past, who are shocked and speechless. It is no longer about the shame of my addiction, but rather the pride of my recovery.
Mark, are you still here on you tube? I'd love to hear from you and how you are doing, of all the comments I read thru (not all-but quite a few) yours grabbed my attention. I'd just like to know that you're still happy today and still able to help others that could use your help. God Bless You!
I've seen it a million times. Someone will get up and say they were addicted to one thing or the other, but they courageously kicked the habit, went through rehab and they are now clean and sober and have been for 3 years. The next thing that happens is that everyone in the room stands up and applauds to show their support. Where were these people when they were looking for help? When their picture is published in the paper because they got caught with a dime bag or a joint. Where were they when the addict was on rock bottom,...and trust me, even the bottom has a little give to it. So many people see the addict at their worst and they just want them out of their neighborhoods, off the streets, they don't care, just throw them in jail and throw away the key. All addicts are on a journey. They have to get through this disease. They don't need people or organizations throwing stones in their passway. They need help. Let's help them.
right- is it editing? lapse of memory? wot about babysitting her niece..(replaced the cough syrup w/aunt jemima and zzzzquil)...Christmas morning, doing shots in the guest bathroom at Granny CiCi's, between presents...and when she hooked just for fun of it? uhuh...BUT her voice does have those nice..dramatic pauses...cuz she got high and practiced that shit over & over. youreontedtalkbitchyoureontedtalkbitchyouGOTthis. i'm just kidding. really.
Mark Duwe well said!! So many people wish to throw away the addicts and say "who cares if another junkie died" this is appalling behavior and completely unacceptable behavior and its become way to acceptable in society. Treatment needs to be more easily accessed and financial obtainable
The one sentence that brought me to tears..."it is valued". Trying to fit in with people who have no clue what addiction is gives you the clear knowing that your struggles and pride in yourself has no value to them. We must hang with other people we who know what we feel and value our strength.
This was an incredibly enlightening video. I was sober for almost 2 years in AA but I became anti AA soon after and am searching for alternate recovery, This is a welcome sight for me. The fact that this talk was 8 years ago is even more interesting to me. Kinda wish I'd found this then, or even 3 yrs ago when I decided to get sober, yet happy I found it today! Ty Dr. Jacki!
The number one roadblock to recovery, is people fixated on "not drinking". I tried 500 times to "not drink", and failed every time. I was convinced that my intellectual prowess, would eventually save me from going over the cliff. It didn't! When I came to, I discovered that I had been granted the gifts of desperation, and the willingness to "live differently". That was more than 27 years ago, and in all that time I have not fixated on alcohol once. My focus has been, and continues to be "taking action". My sobriety today begins and ends with my feet. It's not about what I think, or feel, it's about what I do. Period!
Having a place to go and something to do with people with people who will support you is the desire of almost all people. If we had a society that focused on offering these things to begin with, maybe we could halt drug seeking behavior before it became addiction.
That's EXACTLY it!! Connection and Communication, I truly believe, are the keys to unlocking the Addicted Souls. We, in recovery here in East Tennessee, feel that very same way and I have made it my sole mission to find a new route to helping those addicted persons and that feel alone and isolated in the first place. Be Well 💚
I have been there before, I have been clean and sober for 34yrs, Changed gender when I was 24yrs clean and sober, and currently in my 3rd yr of college to become a Social worker,Trauma Therapist, and the nueroscience of it all. It has really been a process of feeling, and learning how to live in the reality of reality. Sobriety has been just a small gift, doing the feelings and grief work with a therapist has been the biggest gift of all to myself. Never give up on yourself. I got clean and sober at 24 yrs old, Iam now 58yrs old and have a very good life.
I watched this and I cried. I haven't done drugs in a long time, but I'm still addicted to video games and other sources of instant gratification. I recently went on a powerkiting and wakeboarding weekend retreat and what you say meshes so well with my experience! When you have a healthy source of enjoyment, camaraderie, you don't need instant gratification. Thank you for putting what I felt into words.
Making addiction recovery treatment more available is something that is greatly needed. That is part of my mission through the Online Mindfulness Therapy Service that I offer.
Wow, after reading the many comments below I'm not sure it's even appropriate to respond. So many opinions from people that treat addiction but haven't endured addiction themselves. I'm left to wonder if my being in recovery after 30 years of drinking and using qualifies me to offer up an opinion or is this just a shouting match. In any case, addiction is much too serious for foolish banter and careless insults. This is exactly why I shunned traditional treatment for a holistic approach to healing myself, for myself and by myself. And so far its working. Knock on wood.
Served Up Sober May I ask what specific type of holistic approach you chose? I'm 2 months sober, on my own. Recently attended a few outpatient treatment meetings as a guest. Now they have approved me to begin as a patient. I'm really not sure whether it's right for me. I'm definitely interested in a holistic approach
i was just notating things i want and a holistic approach and dual diagnois is very important to me. I take medications that stem from a real illness , and want to detach from all of it
@@sherry2156 a good holistic approach is the Te whare tapa wha model, it's used a lot in New Zealand, it consists of mental health, physical health, family and spirituality, look it up it is a very popular approach and works well for everyone, it is a Maori model that works for all 🙏🙏
I kinda liked what she had to say about recovery. I went to AA for 11 years but never really found any fun, hope and joy. I did however start doing a lot of voluntary work within the community & local schools and that brought me more fun, hope and joy than any AA meeting did. It was actually doing something with my time instead of boozing that worked for me I believe. Any AA meetings I've been to always focuses on the negative, the illness and stuff like that - you're just sitting around talking about it. For me, cos I suffer with depression too, I need to actually feel I'm doing something.
find a new meeting, AA is about helping others, it is an action program, if anyone's debating 12 step try different meetings until you find one that works. it gives you back your life so you CAN do healthy things. Meetings are a small part of the program, working the program, connection, and serving your community in or outside of AA are what it is about. AA isn't for everyone, lots of people get sober without 12 step but it certainly is WAY more than sitting in a church basement and talking about your drunkin stories
Thank you for all you are doing through The Phoenix. I have had some exposure to your program through my work and was very impressed. More resources like this are needed. People in recovery have so much to offer the world - They are the people with the light in their eyes that seem to be operating at a higher vibration than the rest of the world. Eager, optimistic and helping others - Let's continue to attack the stigma, find and encourage people getting the help they need and watch a big part of the world improve. Recovery is Beautiful!!!
recovery is an individualized process. You fight for yourself. You use the same skills that worked to pay for and find drugs and apply them to paying for and finding help. Finally realizing and accepting that you're worth the effort to get clean is a MIRACLE unto itself, but that's just the beginning. But just like it took time to get yourself into that bad spot, it takes time to get out of it. I think Jacki Hillios is moving in the right direction for sure. We just need MORE options, accessible options to low income ppl, and how do we provide services without the funds to pay for everything needed to support them??? Change how society views addicts, so they're seen as being worth the investment...idk I'm just thinking out loud now. I'm 8 years clean....I just wanted to share I guess...in ten mins I'll come back and erase this anyway..Thank you
What a kind, empathic woman. She very clearly cares deeply for these people. I think it's fantastic and I totally admire her and the organisation's work
Idk why but i loved her from the beginning before she really said anything! This was amazing! Such a love/hate relationship with TED talks...lol i always go to watch just one then add a zillion to my watch later list...ill neverrrr get through this
What a beautiful amazing thing you are doing. You are one strong amazingly well spoken woman who is right on the pulse. Thank goodness for people like you in the world. You are truly an inspiration.
Love this talk. Am an opiate addict on a program (for 19 yrs, and yes, I know it’s insane. Haven’t touched H for 14 yrs., but still on the methadone)....and getting into sports, or getting a job can be a saving grace. And that thing about seeing the future in multicolours instead of just grey...that matters a lot. Thank you.
Actually no, that's not insane. Nobody has a right to tell somebody what works for them and their sobriety. I've been on methadone for 19 months and I definitely don't plan on stopping for a very very long time. I am happy, healthy, and clean. I can live life normally. Methadone helps with cravings and helps with other things day today. As well as block those opiate receptors... If anybody has anything to say about your recovery and I've heard plenty of people claim that somebody's not really sober if they're on methadone or suboxone, then don't waste your time with them, don't go to their programs, find different groups of people who do not judge how somebody defines sobriety ❤️ I've left many NA/AA groups for this exact reason.
@@tatertot4208 Love you and thank you! I'm on Buvidal nowadays (buprenorphine injection that you get once a week). It's really good. I have to start working on depression and that kind of stuff now. Fell badly off the wagon a year ago and am still struggling and very lonely. All the best to you!
Thank you for saying this. I used AA as a stepping stone to holistic recovery. There is a time and a place for all the steps we need to take to change our behaviors for real. Not just those 12. They are a great start.
Thank you for this brilliant information. Thank you for sharing it so openly - as we work together we can and do accomplish miracles. We are not our addictions or our problems - we are limitless beings awakening into our magnificence.
I love seeing UA-cam videos that talk about addiction and recovery. Although my channel is super new I am hoping to make a difference by sharing my experience. Addiction doesn't have to be the end. Recovery IS possible!
Usually people drawn to drugs and alcohol are hyper and need physical activity but we are drawn to the fun and excitement finding it in healthy activities... Thanks for the ideas I'm sober from opiates for 5 months now I've been busy getting done what I was not able to do its kept my mind off drugs... I've been sober from alcohol for 2 months and it's hard... But I will keep this exciting activity in mind
A very powerful talk about the struggles concerning addiction. It isn’t only the alcohol or the drugs that are the problem, it is the discrimination that goes with it. Addicts who are hated or shamed are less likely to recover than those who have been met with love and support, I hope more people begin to understand that.
I have a son who has ventured on this path he was once physically fit and athletic, started smoking weed to be accepted, withdrew from sports, could not make in 3 months in college, can't get past probation on a job, smokes probably every day-- I often see tremors--he sleeps a lot, food no longer tastes good to him unless he is smoking pot how ironic right? He has lost 30lbs., he says, "it is legal", he has lost all his friends, he is lonely, half the time his thought process is impaired so most people just dont want to deal with it--all the family, his father, siblings, they just as soon see him on the street and homeless. He is or was a very kind, happy, loving person and now he is only a fragment of who he was, today he is often outraged at how he is treated. When he lived in a dorm with other drug users one room mate stole his PS4, then another took the keys to his jeep ( all things his parents bought him). In order to keep him from being homeless I had to borrow money from my home. Now him being home and seemingly acting so dependent as if disabled, my other children now despise drug users and wont bring friends to our home they are so embarrassed. So I guess he brings shame on our family. It is a culture of drugs and sadly the culture tells kids drugs are ok. 1-5 kids will end up with some kind of drug problem. We are running out of options. He has only been homeless once and it looks like he may be again, who knows what happens then? escalating drug use because then the only ones who accept him are other drug users? Goes to prison for stealing food or drugs? How can our culture accept this for our children? If we know 1-50 turn homeless and into addicts due to the rewiring of the brain pathway..... how can we let this go on??
Wonderful! I live far from Boulder but am grateful to have the same type of fellowship in the local 12 step community. FUN is key. Mentorship (ie, sponsorship) is key. Shame reduction is essential. Sharing with others who have the same experiences is also necessary. However it happens--supporting human beings in recovery AND those still suffering is a compassionate, worthy enterprise.
Hi! This video is filled with answers to my ample questions. I am in the midst of starting my journey and this video will be a bookmark for my future reference. Thanks for sharing this informative video.
WONDERFUL! I was blown away by this talk, one of the best recovery talks I have ever sees - and I have seen lot. Hits all the nails on the head. Thank you Jacki and Scott and all your colleagues.
This program needs to expand, I'm willing to help. Phoenix Multisport, Los Angeles...Chicago, New York, every major city. Several locations in each state. This program will expand.
This video is changing my life. I'm moving from Florida to Denver because it inspired me so much. I'm already a member and I hope to one day work for them. I have so much passion in my heart to help others and myself at the same time. I will make a difference. Thank You!!!
Beautiful impressive amazing soul . Pray more n more amazing souls multiply to bring the massive change in humanity. Thank you, bless you. All your dreams come true.
Community (people matter), hope, and joy! These are things that were known for recovery 80 years ago. People propagating the idea that this is somehow simply a matter of will continue the cycle of stigmatization and that is counter productive.
her voice was super lame haha.. talking like we are all little junkie babies... i am a junky baby but i dont need someones condescending voice to tell me to go rock climbing to end my addiciton
Solid Advice, go to a Therapeutic Community and get real help. There one will not only get Sober but will learn new behaviors and habits. That is the best I can offer, but it is also a piece of gold! All the best.
This is terrific. It's amazing what we do in our addiction. Have you seen Dr. KJ Foster's stories of resilience? She has great methods for therapists to help them reintroduce into society after treatment.
I went to a rehab in AZ that was like this. Except instead of mountain climbing we did cross fit. It was also a matrix system, which is super good for stimulant addicts, but hardly implemented. The dest sobriety I had and the best my recovery ever was
6 years clean from h addiction used iv. Lost alot. Trafficked by rehab owners and employees in South Florida. Drugged and assaulted. Abusive relationships. Crimes. Deaths of my sister, best friends and family members. Became a nurse while in drug court, probation dropped when I was facing 15 felonies put into 1. Graduated number 6 in my class. Raising my daughter and little son, tried to open a peer center, spoke on a conference w people from the white house and traveled the country to share our stories. Started ths channel breaking chains the Whitney Project. It's been an amazing ride.
@11:50 she says [sic]"You can't tell someone they are an addict or a junkie" Dr. Drew has stated before that the fact the new DSM-5 says they shouldn't call people addicts anymore is bullshit. It's not to say you are calling them their disease, it's just that these people need to own up to it and admit it. No denial, being honest with themselves and others. That's part of recovery.
Being honest is fine. But no addict needs a non-addict telling them what they need to own up for or what they should be called. All addicts have a life replete with consequences of their addiction that they cannot escape. They will be dealing for the rest of their lives with issues that the non-addict cannot even begin to understand. Any approach to addiction that begins or focuses on beating a sense of responsibility into the addict is ignorance-based and downright violent. Shaming, belittling, and other "techniques" that use a negative, punitive feedback loop are disgusting and in clear violation of modern ethical standards. Addiction is not caused by too little responsibility, or too little love, or too little of some third thing. (Sorry. Inappropriate humor.) Addiction is NOT a disease. But we will all be better off if we agree to treat it like one. We need to stop forcing the addiction == disease LIE on folks who aren't buying it. Then maybe we can get them to agree that it works to treat it as if it were one.
ka7znm Addiction is a genetic disorder of the reward system part of the brain. It is hereditary. How is that not a disease? Also what I said had nothing to do with the first 5 sentences you rambled on about.
Addiction is not a genetic disorder. Addiction can happen with or without a genetic predisposition. Addiction certainly can "hijack" the brain's reward system, but a disorder that exists before introduction to a drug need not exist for addiction to begin. Addiction may very well qualify as a disease, especially when using the medical definition. (There are also many other conditions that fit that definition that we do not call diseases.) The trouble is that the medical definition and the definition that the non-medical world uses are not the same. We could say that this is just a lag in education... that the world will catch up eventually. But that is not it. The problem is that addiction does not fit the definition of disease that many people use and understand, and this includes doctors and other health care professionals. This cannot be addressed with education because the lesson that addiction == disease strikes many as a LIE. It comes off as a deception that seeks to excuse inexcusable behavior. This is a perfectly valid point of view on the topic, and it persists dispite lessons seeking to change it. If everyone was buying the addiction == disease idea, then this would not be such a big issue. I have talked to numerous doctors and other clinicians that clearly do not accept the concept, whether they will admit it or not. When you have professionals, who are in the business of knowing diseases, that do not accept your [whatever] == disease, then you have a big problem. And that is to say nothing of the rest of the general public that do not buy it, which I assure you includes many folks with advanced educations. And it also includes me. I do not want to launch a debate on how/why it is or isn't a disease. To get lost in that will be to completely miss my point. There is no doubt that the definition can be applied. The bigger point is that many people will never buy it, and we really need them to get past that hang-up, because I still say that it makes sense to treat addiction as if it were a disease. Yes, that's right. I want to see addiction treated as if it were a disease. I want EVERYONE to do it... not just those that buy the lie. I believe that we should apply the disease model in every way that we can. When we do, then we do not debate what to call an addict. When we treat a disease, the person who has it is called a PATIENT. Healthcare professionals treat all PATIENTS with an appropriate, common respect. Maybe that is why debate is still ongoing regarding what to call the addict. Many of us cannot bring ourselves to treat an addict with common respect. We reserve common respect and instead offer only what is necessary to avoid conflict. So we, at least in far-too many places, reserve the title of "patient" for those that have REAL diseases. It may seem like I am way over the top in my response to your post. I do not mean to be beating you down with my lengthy commentary. You simply have the bad luck of posting some otherwise benign words that set me off... but not in an angry way. I just feel that this stuff is really quite important. And I have been mixing up this opinion cocktail for some time now, but have not had anyone order one. You unwittingly ordered a double. So if addiction is really a disease, why is there debate over what to call the addict? I really like Dr. Drew, but he has a few ideas that I would like to see him let go of. Don't forget that he is NOT an addict/former addict/recovering addict. This is clearly reflected by some of the flawed concepts he continues to hold onto. Addiction is defined by, triggered by, and treated/cured by BEHAVIOR. I defy you to tell me another "disease" that has these traits. (Bulimia does not count, as I consider it to be addiction.) I expect some psychiatric responses, but even those will not fit my model: a disease that does not exist until a behavior starts it.... continues with the same behavior as the primary symptom, and is in remission when the behavior ceases. Some will add the status of "cured" when remission has lasted long enough. Of course there are the pathological component and the physiological effects, but those fit easily into the disease model. It is the behavior that is the snag. It is the behavior that, for many of us, disqualifies addiction from admission to the disease club. Nothing will change that..not for me, anyway. I will be delighted if someone shoots me out of the sky here... please take your best shot.
Spore4006 TL'DR? My point is simply that addiction is not a disease... by the definition that most of us use. And I love Dr. Drew. But he is not an addict and it shows. Apologies for rambling. I do tend to be verbose on my pet topics.
People are not their disease. You are not an addict as in 12 step. You are struggling with the disease of addiction. I believe it's unhealthy to label oneself as an addict, you suffer from addiction, you are not an addict.
+brian holcomb Semantics are pretty fucking important when it comes to overcoming addiction. Are you denying that words like "junkie" and "drunk" have an overwhelmingly negative connotation? These words are very powerful, in that they produce an instant image in the minds of literally everyone that hears them spoken. Shame is at the core of addiction, and accepting that these words describe oneself is an ENORMOUS source of it. Reducing such an important concept to "just semantics" makes me think that you have no understanding of addiction and have no business critiquing anyone's recovery. Fuck off.
I'm an addict and proud. Nothing to be ashamed of. Be proud of what you are, accept it and recover. Love what you are💗Xxx My names Dan and I'm an addict, a human and part of the human race. That and ten years sober. My sponsors 26 years sober, his sponsor is 32 years sober. We are all proud addicts and alcoholics. Here to help and Recovered.
+motchka In other words, it's a disease of boredom, what to do with your time. At least in my experience. As an addict. Funny someone with the name depths of boredom disagrees. LOL. The insurance companies aren't big on paying for rehab either. But my vision is that some day, addiction will be treated as a disease, and insurance companies will pay for whatever type of intervention is needed. 12 Steps/Traditional for some, Recreational Therapy for others. Check this out. Phoenix MultiSport. Someone stole my idea already.
Yeah man, the 12 steps aren't for everyone, and they do have a monopoly on the industry. Art is definitely a substitute, and so is physical exercise, or martial arts in my case. Religious indoctrination, isn't that what 12 steps is? No but I'd rather follow the Buddhist 8 fold path along with the martial arts. Guess it's a Zen thing. Anyways, Thanks for sharing.
+Instructor Evan "Addiction is a disease of RECREATION." Nonsense. is that what it says in the video? It's a disease of inappropriate environment and social isolation. Not that what you intend to pursue is a waste of time. Just to point out that engaging in certain activities improve environment and social situations. It's a matter of understanding what's really going on. The healthy environment isn't a "distraction" so much as a motivation. See the difference? Yeah, we've been told a lot of bull in school over the last 50 to 100 years.
Proof that addicts who mentor addicts are 90% more successful not only to get clean but stay clean and go onto lead a productive life. But it all starts from that spark to a raging when the the addict finally belives in his or herself x god bless xxx
Curious what others think about the fact that people often trade up their addictions for high risk behaviors that are more acceptable (and less consequences). Afaik, many addicts have genetic predisposition for highly arousing activities. This manifests in a number of ways, being the first to run into a burning house to save a person, ready to jump into a fight without a thought, etc. Arguably addicts have better instincts and other great qualities. However, since they can manifest in many ways, we can see addicts get on the wagon and they take up skydiving, motorcycle racing, freestyle rock climbing, etc. Stuff that is relatively safe, but still caries pretty big risks if things go wrong (namely death and serious permanent injury). As a matter of a philosophical question, is that any different? Could we teach addicts about these kinds of behaviors? Should we teach them about avoiding them? Is it ok just because it's acceptable for current culture? Is it better just because, anything is better than the drugs? What do you guys think?
If you can't imagine what it is like to struggle with addiction, try not eating your favorite foods for a year. Instead, eat only bland, room temperature meals with little or no variety, and choke some down that are dry, stale, chewy, etc. That might give you some idea of what it feels like from time to time for as long as several years after you stop using. Try stopping any compulsion you can't control.
I enjoyed this podcast. This concept to me could be applied as a supplemental behavior modification to treat my addiction. AA still imo has the most versatility to treat people.
first of all.. getting off meth DOES NOT HURT. It is not physically addictive. Mentally, YES. But physically, no. And i can say this, because i was strung out on meth (i shot it through needles) for over 10 yrs back in my teens and 20's.. and i NEVER ONCE had any "pain" when i stopped using it (and i stopped SEVERAL TIMES before i finally got clean for good). Also i did heroin for over 10 yrs (ive been clean for 4 yrs now) and detoxing from heroin HURTS. So does detoxing from Methadone. Ive done it all. Im just grateful i got sober.
*****... im 60 days methadone free, and ALL drugs/pills/substance free, lol. My 3 sisters have been methadone free for 7 yrs now. They are clean, have kids, like me, and dont pop pills, accept for the occasional asprin. Its all in a persons attitude and inner will-power if they are gonna get and stay clean.
*****... no, ive never been a 12 step program person, lol. I just lean on my faith in God, and i make the choice everyday to put myself and my family first. Plus i just feel better in general, physically and emotionally when im clean. But, i know a lot of ppl who DO go to 12 step meetings and programs, and they seem to help them a lot.. so im not saying that they dont work, lol. I just know for me personally, im not into sitting around and listening to everyone go in depth about how "high they got on Saturday night" and blah blah blah. Ive been to a few NA meetings in my 20's, and the first thing i wanted to do was get loaded (or kill myself, cause the meetings were so depressing, hearing everyone belly-ache about how bad theyd fucked their lives up)...!!!!!!!! But some ppl seem to enjoy those meetings, and so i say whatever works for them, lol. For me, i just make the choice to stay clean, simple as that.
I just need someone who loves me right here besides me all the time , and I’m good to go But when I look at people all I feel is hatred, repellent behavior , looking down on me.
I am 7 years in recovery and trying to help a dear friend get there. He struggled to get sober for a hip replacement but ended up addicted to both pain killers and alcohol. Now close to death the hospital admitted him for de tox. How do I start something like this in my community?
I would love to send a message out so that people can get a better understanding of addiction because it is a disease. Being a recovering person myself, and going back to school at 54 getting me BA, and now working on my masters. I work with recovering people as a Recovery Coach, and CPRM (IC & RC) here in Michigan. Being in recovery takes work, it hard but simply. I am in a documentary here in Michigan "Sigmatic" through Mclaren Hospital, Bay City, MI.
Not a single doctor alive today who hasn’t experienced opiate withdrawal truly understands how to properly treat a patient. This reflects what actually happens in the hospital. They never properly taper you, and tell you withdrawals are non existent after a slow taper.
I got out of prison in August. I then went to rehab here in Winfield KS. I recently got out and am doing good. So I just wanted to say thank you for the information on addiction!
I’ve been trying to get help since November 2021, if your not coming out of jail, pregnant or completely crazy , forget it , my aunt tried so hard too. If you don’t have money and your state health insurance forget it.
Thank you for your great words I wish more people were like you im struggling in addiction sober now and in fighting everyday to spead the word of addicrion mental health to stop turning your eyes on addiction ir time more people start changing the way people judge others we have the power to make change because the government wont do it
Speaking from experience, “struggling” is living in the problem. Sobriety is achieved by living in the solution. The solution being the willingness to move your feet differently. Nobody “thinks” their way sober, it requires action! All the best to you Mike!
Yes the steps save lives no question about it. AND YOU CAN DO IT. I know because if I can anyone can. I heard that from other people but I thought I was different. Listen I shot dope for 24 years straight and drank everyday for longer. I was hopeless. I just finally gave up and took all the suggestions from the people in the fellowship. But u have to be fully ready. If u aren't willing to put some work in . Then you will not STAY clean. You might get clean for a while but that's it.. GIVE IT A TRY YOUR WORTH IT. 😁😁
wonderful for younger people in recovery, but can the program address those who are older? Many seniors suffer with addiction, can they climb mountains? W hat can we do for them, the lonliest of all?
Climbing mountains or comradeship doesn't get to the root of why someone became an addict. That can only be achieved through honest self inquiry which is what a 12 step program focuses on. Once the issues are understood, they can be rectified and a new way of life can ensue. Reading most of the comments it's obvious very few of you are in recovery. There is no shame in recovery, I am 5 years sober and proud of it. This presentation sounds like a business plug. And also addiction is not hereditary, look up epigenetics for an understanding.
I am sure that as people are engaging, hiking, etc., as they start to connect and physically feel better, they probably do some introspection in a way that is safe for them. Our minds have a way to cover up over the pain, or loss, or what have you until the moments seem safe to pull back the cover and look underneath. Being outdoors, with others who are connecting with you and maybe being so much less direct, this probably reaches a lot of people.
The biggest problem that fuels addiction is the fact that drugs are illegal. If we change the definition of what drugs are, we therefore redefine what an addict is, and literally liberate all addicts by giving them a legal door out of their state of being.
This is great information. Have you seen Dr. KJ Foster and Fostering Resilience? She also has great info on sobriety, recovery, mental health, meditation, etc.
Thank you!!! Feeling as if I being an addict was exactly the definition of ME, and this was so nice to hear, cause I am an addict, but first of I, ME, I am JARROD!!! i.e. the Nirvana shirt I am wearing...doea not make me Kurt Cobain....as much as I'd love to be. U get my point tho... I think the first step we have to take its finding a state, county, small city, some place understanding, and compassionate. And change some state or local laws to EXPERIMENT, In ways that these news AMAZING and almost obvious new research and understanding of addiction can be implemented
jacki hillios presenter some fail recovery due to the lack of determnation when the program gets good we think its a set up and go back to doing what we thought we did best get high am I resilient yes was able to bounce back although I failed many time but rose again out of the ashes again 14 years sober and than one day and here I am again .alcohol cost me the lost of my privilage to drive freely and I worked hard to get that back and embrassement among my peers. this was for Angelo Strong
Anyone have tips for plantar fasciatis? I am struggling with recovery and love to run but have been avoiding running for months because of the pain in my feet when I first get out of bed. I can hardly walk to go to the bathroom when I wake up in the middle of the night, but once I've been moving for a while, my feet feel fine. My brain is going crazy without the endorphins once a week at least.
You need to want to be clean more than you want to live in the gutter. That's the truth. I'm a fentanyl addict. Arguably the hardest habit to kick. And I did. It's the hardest thing ever. Most people can't comprehend it.
Not a word about the twelve strep rooms??- AA, NA, Al Anon... these rooms are noncommercial, nonhierarchial- peer to peer. Phoenix multisport is a cool thing, for certain. Period. But, 8000 people is nothing compared to the tens of millions that the 12 step rooms have helped. The fact that the speaker only mentions her program and medical drug treatment is a huge glaring omission and disservice to those other vastly more common and equally successful programs of recovery.
You are spot on My friend..I Respect all of the opinions about recovery programs,. But lately i've been seeing a lot of negativity against the 12 step program.. and i think that people who are or where not able to recover or understand a 12 step program are people who could not understand and accept why they became a drug addict or alcoholic in the first place.. It is very difficult to see accept and admit why and all of the hardship that we go and drag all the people who surround us thru.. But to my belief it is there where recovery lies..
Gabriel Alvarez thanks- yes- 12step recovery is not option for some people it seems and for that reason it takes a village of recovery and rehab programs to meet people where theyre at makes me feel lucky i made it in at all that i eas able to get in the door and stay in the rooms long enough to see what a great resource the Anonymous Fellowships are
Kissing Bandit I am a drug addict been haven't used drugs or alcohol in 18 yrs thanks to AA.. I would suggest you try to identify why NA didn't work for you, maybe looking at other people's flaws or defects is not a good thing for the addict, to me alcohol is a liquid drug.. and I used any substance I could get my hands on to escape a reality I couldn't accept..
My area could use something like this. Right now my city has a safe injection site (in the parking lot) a harm reduction site aka Arches Al and they have addiction counsellors. And it seems that it is creating more problems as more used needles are being found in the downtown area. I've been told that it's possible that they planned this site for majority of users, criminals, or any trouble makers to be conveniently in one area for the city police to keep tabs on. I'm talking about Lethbridge Alberta but I'm sure this is happening in a lot of cities. Methbridge is now what its called by many
Addiction is giving up everything for one thing.
Recovery is giving up one thing for everything.
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How would you like your brains smashed in?
Thank you
I mean at least credit the author of The quote, don't act like you made it up LOL
In recovery . And this brought me to tears. Thank u for advocating for our community.
I’m in withdrawal now and I’m in tears. Kinda feel alone but it helps a bit to know that there are other people out there that went through the same thing
rehab is for quilters
What community are you in?
@@АлисаАлиса-р2д the recovery community in general is a community
Great presentation Jacki Hillios! Stigma and shame; my two closest companions. As a nurse for more than 30 years, returning to the clinical setting after earning my license back was incredibly difficult and shameful, hoping that my journey remain a secret. Now 3 years sober, I am eager to share my story and if revealing myself helps one colleague, it is all worth it. I wrote an e-book, lecture at nursing schools and face those from my past, who are shocked and speechless. It is no longer about the shame of my addiction, but rather the pride of my recovery.
Mark Mastroianni I hope you are continuing to do good.
Thank you; I am blessed to say I remain sober now for 5 years and work very hard to maintain my simple and joyous life.
Mark Mastroianni-how do I find your e-books? Also is there a way a way to message you? I would love to hear your story, I am a nurse also.
Mark, are you still here on you tube? I'd love to hear from you and how you are doing, of all the comments I read thru (not all-but quite a few) yours grabbed my attention. I'd just like to know that you're still happy today and still able to help others that could use your help. God Bless You!
I would love to read your book or see your lecture. Where can I find?
I've seen it a million times. Someone will get up and say they were addicted to one thing or the other, but they courageously kicked the habit, went through rehab and they are now clean and sober and have been for 3 years. The next thing that happens is that everyone in the room stands up and applauds to show their support.
Where were these people when they were looking for help? When their picture is published in the paper because they got caught with a dime bag or a joint. Where were they when the addict was on rock bottom,...and trust me, even the bottom has a little give to it.
So many people see the addict at their worst and they just want them out of their neighborhoods, off the streets, they don't care, just throw them in jail and throw away the key. All addicts are on a journey. They have to get through this disease. They don't need people or organizations throwing stones in their passway. They need help. Let's help them.
right- is it editing? lapse of memory? wot about babysitting her niece..(replaced the cough syrup w/aunt jemima and zzzzquil)...Christmas morning, doing shots in the guest bathroom at Granny CiCi's, between presents...and when she hooked just for fun of it? uhuh...BUT her voice does have those nice..dramatic pauses...cuz she got high and practiced that shit over & over. youreontedtalkbitchyoureontedtalkbitchyouGOTthis.
i'm just kidding. really.
Bravo Mike agreed I and my late brother were a part of that
Why wouldn't society respond like that?
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Mark Duwe well said!! So many people wish to throw away the addicts and say "who cares if another junkie died" this is appalling behavior and completely unacceptable behavior and its become way to acceptable in society. Treatment needs to be more easily accessed and financial obtainable
The one sentence that brought me to tears..."it is valued". Trying to fit in with people who have no clue what addiction is gives you the clear knowing that your struggles and pride in yourself has no value to them. We must hang with other people we who know what we feel and value our strength.
Love this program I'm a case manager at DOC Idaho and when offenders and addicts are about to leave I encourage them to join this program.
This was an incredibly enlightening video. I was sober for almost 2 years in AA but I became anti AA soon after and am searching for alternate recovery, This is a welcome sight for me. The fact that this talk was 8 years ago is even more interesting to me. Kinda wish I'd found this then, or even 3 yrs ago when I decided to get sober, yet happy I found it today! Ty Dr. Jacki!
The number one roadblock to recovery, is people fixated on "not drinking". I tried 500 times to "not drink", and failed every time. I was convinced that my intellectual prowess, would eventually save me from going over the cliff. It didn't! When I came to, I discovered that I had been granted the gifts of desperation, and the willingness to "live differently".
That was more than 27 years ago, and in all that time I have not fixated on alcohol once. My focus has been, and continues to be "taking action". My sobriety today begins and ends with my feet. It's not about what I think, or feel, it's about what I do. Period!
Having a place to go and something to do with people with people who will support you is the desire of almost all people. If we had a society that focused on offering these things to begin with, maybe we could halt drug seeking behavior before it became addiction.
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That's EXACTLY it!! Connection and Communication, I truly believe, are the keys to unlocking the Addicted Souls. We, in recovery here in East Tennessee, feel that very same way and I have made it my sole mission to find a new route to helping those addicted persons and that feel alone and isolated in the first place. Be Well 💚
I have been there before, I have been clean and sober for 34yrs, Changed gender when I was 24yrs clean and sober, and currently in my 3rd yr of college to become a Social worker,Trauma Therapist, and the nueroscience of it all. It has really been a process of feeling, and learning how to live in the reality of reality. Sobriety has been just a small gift, doing the feelings and grief work with a therapist has been the biggest gift of all to myself. Never give up on yourself. I got clean and sober at 24 yrs old, Iam now 58yrs old and have a very good life.
I watched this and I cried.
I haven't done drugs in a long time, but I'm still addicted to video games and other sources of instant gratification.
I recently went on a powerkiting and wakeboarding weekend retreat and what you say meshes so well with my experience! When you have a healthy source of enjoyment, camaraderie, you don't need instant gratification.
Thank you for putting what I felt into words.
Me too, mate.....I love knocking one our....just can't stop!
Making addiction recovery treatment more available is something that is greatly needed. That is part of my mission through the Online Mindfulness Therapy Service that I offer.
Wow, after reading the many comments below I'm not sure it's even appropriate to respond. So many opinions from people that treat addiction but haven't endured addiction themselves. I'm left to wonder if my being in recovery after 30 years of drinking and using qualifies me to offer up an opinion or is this just a shouting match. In any case, addiction is much too serious for foolish banter and careless insults.
This is exactly why I shunned traditional treatment for a holistic approach to healing myself, for myself and by myself. And so far its working. Knock on wood.
Served Up Sober May I ask what specific type of holistic approach you chose? I'm 2 months sober, on my own. Recently attended a few outpatient treatment meetings as a guest. Now they have approved me to begin as a patient. I'm really not sure whether it's right for me. I'm definitely interested in a holistic approach
i was just notating things i want and a holistic approach and dual diagnois is very important to me. I take medications that stem from a real illness , and want to detach from all of it
Thanks for that sweetie! Way to serious to act foolish 15 years of using for me 5 months sober
Doing the same I'm addicted to sobriety now I wont be quitting that anytime soon though lol
@@sherry2156 a good holistic approach is the Te whare tapa wha model, it's used a lot in New Zealand, it consists of mental health, physical health, family and spirituality, look it up it is a very popular approach and works well for everyone, it is a Maori model that works for all 🙏🙏
I kinda liked what she had to say about recovery. I went to AA for 11 years but never really found any fun, hope and joy. I did however start doing a lot of voluntary work within the community & local schools and that brought me more fun, hope and joy than any AA meeting did. It was actually doing something with my time instead of boozing that worked for me I believe. Any AA meetings I've been to always focuses on the negative, the illness and stuff like that - you're just sitting around talking about it. For me, cos I suffer with depression too, I need to actually feel I'm doing something.
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find a new meeting, AA is about helping others, it is an action program, if anyone's debating 12 step try different meetings until you find one that works. it gives you back your life so you CAN do healthy things. Meetings are a small part of the program, working the program, connection, and serving your community in or outside of AA are what it is about. AA isn't for everyone, lots of people get sober without 12 step but it certainly is WAY more than sitting in a church basement and talking about your drunkin stories
Totally agree
Thank you for all you are doing through The Phoenix. I have had some exposure to your program through my work and was very impressed. More resources like this are needed. People in recovery have so much to offer the world - They are the people with the light in their eyes that seem to be operating at a higher vibration than the rest of the world. Eager, optimistic and helping others - Let's continue to attack the stigma, find and encourage people getting the help they need and watch a big part of the world improve. Recovery is Beautiful!!!
as someone in recovery, i can see the huge benefits to this program...my hats off to them for being creative
recovery is an individualized process. You fight for yourself. You use the same skills that worked to pay for and find drugs and apply them to paying for and finding help. Finally realizing and accepting that you're worth the effort to get clean is a MIRACLE unto itself, but that's just the beginning. But just like it took time to get yourself into that bad spot, it takes time to get out of it. I think Jacki Hillios is moving in the right direction for sure. We just need MORE options, accessible options to low income ppl, and how do we provide services without the funds to pay for everything needed to support them??? Change how society views addicts, so they're seen as being worth the investment...idk I'm just thinking out loud now. I'm 8 years clean....I just wanted to share I guess...in ten mins I'll come back and erase this anyway..Thank you
Been feeling so down and trying my best not to fall listening to this helps so much thank you
What a kind, empathic woman. She very clearly cares deeply for these people. I think it's fantastic and I totally admire her and the organisation's work
She cares. Lol for these people lmao. You must be a alien
Idk why but i loved her from the beginning before she really said anything! This was amazing! Such a love/hate relationship with TED talks...lol i always go to watch just one then add a zillion to my watch later list...ill neverrrr get through this
I really enjoyed Dr. Hillios treatment approach and her loving description of people who struggle with overusing substances.
What a beautiful amazing thing you are doing. You are one strong amazingly well spoken woman who is right on the pulse. Thank goodness for people like you in the world. You are truly an inspiration.
Love this talk. Am an opiate addict on a program (for 19 yrs, and yes, I know it’s insane. Haven’t touched H for 14 yrs., but still on the methadone)....and getting into sports, or getting a job can be a saving grace. And that thing about seeing the future in multicolours instead of just grey...that matters a lot. Thank you.
Actually no, that's not insane. Nobody has a right to tell somebody what works for them and their sobriety. I've been on methadone for 19 months and I definitely don't plan on stopping for a very very long time. I am happy, healthy, and clean. I can live life normally. Methadone helps with cravings and helps with other things day today. As well as block those opiate receptors... If anybody has anything to say about your recovery and I've heard plenty of people claim that somebody's not really sober if they're on methadone or suboxone, then don't waste your time with them, don't go to their programs, find different groups of people who do not judge how somebody defines sobriety ❤️ I've left many NA/AA groups for this exact reason.
@@tatertot4208 Love you and thank you! I'm on Buvidal nowadays (buprenorphine injection that you get once a week). It's really good. I have to start working on depression and that kind of stuff now. Fell badly off the wagon a year ago and am still struggling and very lonely. All the best to you!
She is taking away stigma which is much needed to all the naysayers. I got sober in AA but it is not for everyone and this is a very good alternative!
Rick fulton Hello Sir, How are you ? I’m doing AA steps too 😀 it’s amazing 👍🏼
Thank you for saying this. I used AA as a stepping stone to holistic recovery. There is a time and a place for all the steps we need to take to change our behaviors for real. Not just those 12. They are a great start.
Rick fulton after 33.5 years of “professional “ therapy N.A. Changed my life and it actually worked for me.
I truly felt accepted and understood
Why are drugs and alcohol always separated? Alcohol is a drug!!
You are so right. Booze messed me up so much worse than any drug.
yeah this gives me the shits.
@@barb7124 Alcoholism destroys families especially adding in mental illnesses. My father quit drinking 30 years ago and regrets it every day since.
Because alcohol is legal
Lmao, no it's not
Thank you for this brilliant information. Thank you for sharing it so openly - as we work together we can and do accomplish miracles. We are not our addictions or our problems - we are limitless beings awakening into our magnificence.
I love seeing UA-cam videos that talk about addiction and recovery. Although my channel is super new I am hoping to make a difference by sharing my experience. Addiction doesn't have to be the end. Recovery IS possible!
Usually people drawn to drugs and alcohol are hyper and need physical activity but we are drawn to the fun and excitement finding it in healthy activities... Thanks for the ideas I'm sober from opiates for 5 months now I've been busy getting done what I was not able to do its kept my mind off drugs... I've been sober from alcohol for 2 months and it's hard... But I will keep this exciting activity in mind
A very powerful talk about the struggles concerning addiction. It isn’t only the alcohol or the drugs that are the problem, it is the discrimination that goes with it. Addicts who are hated or shamed are less likely to recover than those who have been met with love and support, I hope more people begin to understand that.
I have a son who has ventured on this path he was once physically fit and athletic, started smoking weed to be accepted, withdrew from sports, could not make in 3 months in college, can't get past probation on a job, smokes probably every day-- I often see tremors--he sleeps a lot, food no longer tastes good to him unless he is smoking pot how ironic right? He has lost 30lbs., he says, "it is legal", he has lost all his friends, he is lonely, half the time his thought process is impaired so most people just dont want to deal with it--all the family, his father, siblings, they just as soon see him on the street and homeless. He is or was a very kind, happy, loving person and now he is only a fragment of who he was, today he is often outraged at how he is treated. When he lived in a dorm with other drug users one room mate stole his PS4, then another took the keys to his jeep ( all things his parents bought him). In order to keep him from being homeless I had to borrow money from my home. Now him being home and seemingly acting so dependent as if disabled, my other children now despise drug users and wont bring friends to our home they are so embarrassed. So I guess he brings shame on our family. It is a culture of drugs and sadly the culture tells kids drugs are ok. 1-5 kids will end up with some kind of drug problem. We are running out of options. He has only been homeless once and it looks like he may be again, who knows what happens then? escalating drug use because then the only ones who accept him are other drug users? Goes to prison for stealing food or drugs? How can our culture accept this for our children? If we know 1-50 turn homeless and into addicts due to the rewiring of the brain pathway..... how can we let this go on??
Thank you for not shaming me....9 yrs clean 😎
Lisa McGhee -McGraw you go girl 🎉
This made me cry. We need this in Indiana and every other state! Thank you for sharing so much hope!
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Thank you for doing your part to de stigmatize and re humanize the people suffering from addiction.
Wonderful! I live far from Boulder but am grateful to have the same type of fellowship in the local 12 step community. FUN is key. Mentorship (ie, sponsorship) is key. Shame reduction is essential. Sharing with others who have the same experiences is also necessary. However it happens--supporting human beings in recovery AND those still suffering is a compassionate, worthy enterprise.
Thank you so much. This gave me a little bit of hope. 🙏🏼
Hi! This video is filled with answers to my ample questions. I am in the midst of starting my journey and this video will be a bookmark for my future reference. Thanks for sharing this informative video.
This is a good talk. I like Ted talks, I am not familiar with this woman, but this is insightful. I am glad she has spoken about the programs.
This woman is amazing. .
WONDERFUL! I was blown away by this talk, one of the best recovery talks I have ever sees - and I have seen lot. Hits all the nails on the head. Thank you Jacki and Scott and all your colleagues.
This program needs to expand, I'm willing to help. Phoenix Multisport, Los Angeles...Chicago, New York, every major city. Several locations in each state. This program will expand.
This video is changing my life. I'm moving from Florida to Denver because it inspired me so much. I'm already a member and I hope to one day work for them. I have so much passion in my heart to help others and myself at the same time. I will make a difference. Thank You!!!
Deep respect for that decision! i really hope you had succes with your rehab journy. Best regards from an fellow addict!
It's in Boulder
Inspiring talk, and what a wonderful thing it is you're doing. Keep being a ray of hope!
Beautiful impressive amazing soul . Pray more n more amazing souls multiply to bring the massive change in humanity. Thank you, bless you. All your dreams come true.
Community (people matter), hope, and joy! These are things that were known for recovery 80 years ago. People propagating the idea that this is somehow simply a matter of will continue the cycle of stigmatization and that is counter productive.
WOW, I think the gym saved my life! & was thinking to should be persbribed to addicts like me who are not bad people, well done!!!!!
this video wasn't what I was searching for at all. I don't want sappy whinny advice on recovery, I want legit solid guidance and advice
her voice was super lame haha.. talking like we are all little junkie babies... i am a junky baby but i dont need someones condescending voice to tell me to go rock climbing to end my addiciton
Solid Advice, go to a Therapeutic Community and get real help. There one will not only get Sober but will learn new behaviors and habits. That is the best I can offer, but it is also a piece of gold! All the best.
This is terrific. It's amazing what we do in our addiction. Have you seen Dr. KJ Foster's stories of resilience? She has great methods for therapists to help them reintroduce into society after treatment.
I went to a rehab in AZ that was like this. Except instead of mountain climbing we did cross fit. It was also a matrix system, which is super good for stimulant addicts, but hardly implemented. The dest sobriety I had and the best my recovery ever was
6 years clean from h addiction used iv. Lost alot. Trafficked by rehab owners and employees in South Florida. Drugged and assaulted. Abusive relationships. Crimes. Deaths of my sister, best friends and family members. Became a nurse while in drug court, probation dropped when I was facing 15 felonies put into 1. Graduated number 6 in my class. Raising my daughter and little son, tried to open a peer center, spoke on a conference w people from the white house and traveled the country to share our stories. Started ths channel breaking chains the Whitney Project. It's been an amazing ride.
@11:50 she says [sic]"You can't tell someone they are an addict or a junkie" Dr. Drew has stated before that the fact the new DSM-5 says they shouldn't call people addicts anymore is bullshit. It's not to say you are calling them their disease, it's just that these people need to own up to it and admit it. No denial, being honest with themselves and others. That's part of recovery.
Being honest is fine. But no addict needs a non-addict telling them what they need to own up for or what they should be called. All addicts have a life replete with consequences of their addiction that they cannot escape. They will be dealing for the rest of their lives with issues that the non-addict cannot even begin to understand. Any approach to addiction that begins or focuses on beating a sense of responsibility into the addict is ignorance-based and downright violent. Shaming, belittling, and other "techniques" that use a negative, punitive feedback loop are disgusting and in clear violation of modern ethical standards. Addiction is not caused by too little responsibility, or too little love, or too little of some third thing. (Sorry. Inappropriate humor.) Addiction is NOT a disease. But we will all be better off if we agree to treat it like one. We need to stop forcing the addiction == disease LIE on folks who aren't buying it. Then maybe we can get them to agree that it works to treat it as if it were one.
ka7znm Addiction is a genetic disorder of the reward system part of the brain. It is hereditary. How is that not a disease? Also what I said had nothing to do with the first 5 sentences you rambled on about.
Addiction is not a genetic disorder. Addiction can happen with or without a genetic predisposition. Addiction certainly can "hijack" the brain's reward system, but a disorder that exists before introduction to a drug need not exist for addiction to begin.
Addiction may very well qualify as a disease, especially when using the medical definition. (There are also many other conditions that fit that definition that we do not call diseases.) The trouble is that the medical definition and the definition that the non-medical world uses are not the same. We could say that this is just a lag in education... that the world will catch up eventually. But that is not it. The problem is that addiction does not fit the definition of disease that many people use and understand, and this includes doctors and other health care professionals. This cannot be addressed with education because the lesson that addiction == disease strikes many as a LIE. It comes off as a deception that seeks to excuse inexcusable behavior. This is a perfectly valid point of view on the topic, and it persists dispite lessons seeking to change it.
If everyone was buying the addiction == disease idea, then this would not be such a big issue. I have talked to numerous doctors and other clinicians that clearly do not accept the concept, whether they will admit it or not. When you have professionals, who are in the business of knowing diseases, that do not accept your [whatever] == disease, then you have a big problem. And that is to say nothing of the rest of the general public that do not buy it, which I assure you includes many folks with advanced educations. And it also includes me.
I do not want to launch a debate on how/why it is or isn't a disease. To get lost in that will be to completely miss my point. There is no doubt that the definition can be applied. The bigger point is that many people will never buy it, and we really need them to get past that hang-up, because I still say that it makes sense to treat addiction as if it were a disease. Yes, that's right. I want to see addiction treated as if it were a disease. I want EVERYONE to do it... not just those that buy the lie.
I believe that we should apply the disease model in every way that we can. When we do, then we do not debate what to call an addict. When we treat a disease, the person who has it is called a PATIENT. Healthcare professionals treat all PATIENTS with an appropriate, common respect. Maybe that is why debate is still ongoing regarding what to call the addict. Many of us cannot bring ourselves to treat an addict with common respect. We reserve common respect and instead offer only what is necessary to avoid conflict. So we, at least in far-too many places, reserve the title of "patient" for those that have REAL diseases.
It may seem like I am way over the top in my response to your post. I do not mean to be beating you down with my lengthy commentary. You simply have the bad luck of posting some otherwise benign words that set me off... but not in an angry way. I just feel that this stuff is really quite important. And I have been mixing up this opinion cocktail for some time now, but have not had anyone order one. You unwittingly ordered a double.
So if addiction is really a disease, why is there debate over what to call the addict? I really like Dr. Drew, but he has a few ideas that I would like to see him let go of. Don't forget that he is NOT an addict/former addict/recovering addict. This is clearly reflected by some of the flawed concepts he continues to hold onto.
Addiction is defined by, triggered by, and treated/cured by BEHAVIOR. I defy you to tell me another "disease" that has these traits. (Bulimia does not count, as I consider it to be addiction.) I expect some psychiatric responses, but even those will not fit my model: a disease that does not exist until a behavior starts it.... continues with the same behavior as the primary symptom, and is in remission when the behavior ceases. Some will add the status of "cured" when remission has lasted long enough. Of course there are the pathological component and the physiological effects, but those fit easily into the disease model. It is the behavior that is the snag. It is the behavior that, for many of us, disqualifies addiction from admission to the disease club. Nothing will change that..not for me, anyway.
I will be delighted if someone shoots me out of the sky here... please take your best shot.
ka7znm Addiction is defined by consequences. I'm not reading the 10 paragraphs you wrote. You ramble too much. Gimme the TL'DR version
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TL'DR? My point is simply that addiction is not a disease... by the definition that most of us use. And I love Dr. Drew. But he is not an addict and it shows.
Apologies for rambling. I do tend to be verbose on my pet topics.
People are not their disease. You are not an addict as in 12 step. You are struggling with the disease of addiction. I believe it's unhealthy to label oneself as an addict, you suffer from addiction, you are not an addict.
+Instructor Evan arguing semantics
+brian holcomb I am not bipolar. I have bipolar disorder. see the difference? It's about thinking positively not semantics.
+brian holcomb Semantics are pretty fucking important when it comes to overcoming addiction. Are you denying that words like "junkie" and "drunk" have an overwhelmingly negative connotation? These words are very powerful, in that they produce an instant image in the minds of literally everyone that hears them spoken. Shame is at the core of addiction, and accepting that these words describe oneself is an ENORMOUS source of it.
Reducing such an important concept to "just semantics" makes me think that you have no understanding of addiction and have no business critiquing anyone's recovery. Fuck off.
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I'm an addict and proud. Nothing to be ashamed of. Be proud of what you are, accept it and recover. Love what you are💗Xxx
My names Dan and I'm an addict, a human and part of the human race.
That and ten years sober. My sponsors 26 years sober, his sponsor is 32 years sober.
We are all proud addicts and alcoholics.
Here to help and Recovered.
One of my favourite TED talks this, lovely lady
Addiction is a disease of RECREATION. So then, let's recreate ourselves. That's why I'm majoring in Recreational Therapy, for addicts.
+Instructor Evan keep studying because thats not what it is.
+motchka In other words, it's a disease of boredom, what to do with your time. At least in my experience. As an addict. Funny someone with the name depths of boredom disagrees. LOL. The insurance companies aren't big on paying for rehab either. But my vision is that some day, addiction will be treated as a disease, and insurance companies will pay for whatever type of intervention is needed. 12 Steps/Traditional for some, Recreational Therapy for others. Check this out. Phoenix MultiSport. Someone stole my idea already.
Yeah man, the 12 steps aren't for everyone, and they do have a monopoly on the industry. Art is definitely a substitute, and so is physical exercise, or martial arts in my case. Religious indoctrination, isn't that what 12 steps is? No but I'd rather follow the Buddhist 8 fold path along with the martial arts. Guess it's a Zen thing. Anyways, Thanks for sharing.
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"Addiction is a disease of RECREATION." Nonsense. is that what it says in the video? It's a disease of inappropriate environment and social isolation.
Not that what you intend to pursue is a waste of time. Just to point out that engaging in certain activities improve environment and social situations. It's a matter of understanding what's really going on. The healthy environment isn't a "distraction" so much as a motivation. See the difference?
Yeah, we've been told a lot of bull in school over the last 50 to 100 years.
Instructor Evan 11years sober, psych grad and no clue wtf you are blathering on about.
I participate in the Phoenix programs nearly everyday. I wouldn’t be sober without it.
Proof that addicts who mentor addicts are 90% more successful not only to get clean but stay clean and go onto lead a productive life. But it all starts from that spark to a raging when the the addict finally belives in his or herself x god bless xxx
Thank you so much! "They are so much more..." I agree!
Curious what others think about the fact that people often trade up their addictions for high risk behaviors that are more acceptable (and less consequences).
Afaik, many addicts have genetic predisposition for highly arousing activities. This manifests in a number of ways, being the first to run into a burning house to save a person, ready to jump into a fight without a thought, etc. Arguably addicts have better instincts and other great qualities.
However, since they can manifest in many ways, we can see addicts get on the wagon and they take up skydiving, motorcycle racing, freestyle rock climbing, etc. Stuff that is relatively safe, but still caries pretty big risks if things go wrong (namely death and serious permanent injury).
As a matter of a philosophical question, is that any different? Could we teach addicts about these kinds of behaviors? Should we teach them about avoiding them? Is it ok just because it's acceptable for current culture? Is it better just because, anything is better than the drugs?
What do you guys think?
Beautiful & well said! Love ❤️ this message. Wish many lives would be saved.
she took the long way around but she eventually talked down on the ONE process that actually KEEPS people clean and sober.
+BOOM twelve step programs. all this other shit is theory. no track record over a long period of time.
+gcornelius308 wtf are you babbling about? 12 step programs have a horrible track record, with absolutely zero scientific backing.
amazing speech, so motivational, it awakens the need for change
If you can't imagine what it is like to struggle with addiction, try not eating your favorite foods for a year. Instead, eat only bland, room temperature meals with little or no variety, and choke some down that are dry, stale, chewy, etc. That might give you some idea of what it feels like from time to time for as long as several years after you stop using. Try stopping any compulsion you can't control.
so amazing! I wish there was a program like this in Toronto
That was really powerful. Thank you Jacki.
If your struggling with addiction NA is a great place to make some changes. We need this in England!!! Id love to start something like this up
I enjoyed this podcast. This concept to me could be applied as a supplemental behavior modification to treat my addiction. AA still imo has the most versatility to treat people.
Thank you very much. God bless you. Amen.
Inspirational thank you for the work you do!
Keep this healing for kids forever I hope u are happy .
first of all.. getting off meth DOES NOT HURT. It is not physically addictive. Mentally, YES. But physically, no. And i can say this, because i was strung out on meth (i shot it through needles) for over 10 yrs back in my teens and 20's.. and i NEVER ONCE had any "pain" when i stopped using it (and i stopped SEVERAL TIMES before i finally got clean for good). Also i did heroin for over 10 yrs (ive been clean for 4 yrs now) and detoxing from heroin HURTS. So does detoxing from Methadone. Ive done it all. Im just grateful i got sober.
*****... im 60 days methadone free, and ALL drugs/pills/substance free, lol. My 3 sisters have been methadone free for 7 yrs now. They are clean, have kids, like me, and dont pop pills, accept for the occasional asprin. Its all in a persons attitude and inner will-power if they are gonna get and stay clean.
*****... no, ive never been a 12 step program person, lol. I just lean on my faith in God, and i make the choice everyday to put myself and my family first. Plus i just feel better in general, physically and emotionally when im clean. But, i know a lot of ppl who DO go to 12 step meetings and programs, and they seem to help them a lot.. so im not saying that they dont work, lol. I just know for me personally, im not into sitting around and listening to everyone go in depth about how "high they got on Saturday night" and blah blah blah. Ive been to a few NA meetings in my 20's, and the first thing i wanted to do was get loaded (or kill myself, cause the meetings were so depressing, hearing everyone belly-ache about how bad theyd fucked their lives up)...!!!!!!!! But some ppl seem to enjoy those meetings, and so i say whatever works for them, lol. For me, i just make the choice to stay clean, simple as that.
Stacey from NY area?
Congratulations on getting sober! So happy for you :D
Kissing Bandit i got off 160mg methadone cold turkey and here i am 18 months later sober.....sorry, it is difficult but not impossible
I just need someone who loves me right here besides me all the time , and I’m good to go
But when I look at people all I feel is hatred, repellent behavior , looking down on me.
I get that. I feel that way alot myself.
i promise you having someone who loves you beside you won't fix your addiction.
What other options did Anna have?
I am 7 years in recovery and trying to help a dear friend get there. He struggled to get sober for a hip replacement but ended up addicted to both pain killers and alcohol. Now close to death the hospital admitted him for de tox. How do I start something like this in my community?
This is a powerful video and wonderful parable. Thank you for sharing.
I would love to send a message out so that people can get a better understanding of addiction because it is a disease. Being a recovering person myself, and going back to school at 54 getting me BA, and now working on my masters. I work with recovering people as a Recovery Coach, and CPRM (IC & RC) here in Michigan. Being in recovery takes work, it hard but simply. I am in a documentary here in Michigan "Sigmatic" through Mclaren Hospital, Bay City, MI.
Not a single doctor alive today who hasn’t experienced opiate withdrawal truly understands how to properly treat a patient. This reflects what actually happens in the hospital. They never properly taper you, and tell you withdrawals are non existent after a slow taper.
I got out of prison in August. I then went to rehab here in Winfield KS. I recently got out and am doing good. So I just wanted to say thank you for the information on addiction!
Hope you are still doing well.
You are doing right thing. Best of luck to you.
I’ve been trying to get help since November 2021, if your not coming out of jail, pregnant or completely crazy , forget it , my aunt tried so hard too. If you don’t have money and your state health insurance forget it.
Bravo ! This did make me cry
Thank you for your great words I wish more people were like you im struggling in addiction sober now and in fighting everyday to spead the word of addicrion mental health to stop turning your eyes on addiction ir time more people start changing the way people judge others we have the power to make change because the government wont do it
Speaking from experience, “struggling” is living in the problem. Sobriety is achieved by living in the solution. The solution being the willingness to move your feet differently. Nobody “thinks” their way sober, it requires action! All the best to you Mike!
What a lovely inspiring talk! I'm working on stopping. Its hard. This might be a great idea.
12 steps. Helps millions. Try it x
Snake Diet Bodybuilding helps a lot but did not help me
Praying for you. Hope you are doing well.
Yes the steps save lives no question about it. AND YOU CAN DO IT. I know because if I can anyone can. I heard that from other people but I thought I was different. Listen I shot dope for 24 years straight and drank everyday for longer. I was hopeless. I just finally gave up and took all the suggestions from the people in the fellowship. But u have to be fully ready. If u aren't willing to put some work in . Then you will not STAY clean. You might get clean for a while but that's it.. GIVE IT A TRY YOUR WORTH IT. 😁😁
Community. Is. Everything.
Wow!!🎉🎉🎉🎉Thank you!
wonderful for younger people in recovery, but can the program address those who are older? Many seniors suffer with addiction, can they climb mountains? W hat can we do for them, the lonliest of all?
This woman is wonderful
Making a difference and saving lives
Climbing mountains or comradeship doesn't get to the root of why someone became an addict. That can only be achieved through honest self inquiry which is what a 12 step program focuses on. Once the issues are understood, they can be rectified and a new way of life can ensue. Reading most of the comments it's obvious very few of you are in recovery. There is no shame in recovery, I am 5 years sober and proud of it. This presentation sounds like a business plug. And also addiction is not hereditary, look up epigenetics for an understanding.
I am sure that as people are engaging, hiking, etc., as they start to connect and physically feel better, they probably do some introspection in a way that is safe for them. Our minds have a way to cover up over the pain, or loss, or what have you until the moments seem safe to pull back the cover and look underneath. Being outdoors, with others who are connecting with you and maybe being so much less direct, this probably reaches a lot of people.
The biggest problem that fuels addiction is the fact that drugs are illegal. If we change the definition of what drugs are, we therefore redefine what an addict is, and literally liberate all addicts by giving them a legal door out of their state of being.
So what happens when they get injured?
This is great information. Have you seen Dr. KJ Foster and Fostering Resilience? She also has great info on sobriety, recovery, mental health, meditation, etc.
Thank you!!!
Feeling as if I being an addict was exactly the definition of ME, and this was so nice to hear, cause I am an addict, but first of I, ME, I am JARROD!!!
i.e. the Nirvana shirt I am wearing...doea not make me Kurt Cobain....as much as I'd love to be.
U get my point tho...
I think the first step we have to take its finding a state, county, small city, some place understanding, and compassionate. And change some state or local laws to EXPERIMENT, In ways that these news AMAZING and almost obvious new research and understanding of addiction can be implemented
You got me at ”Nirvana shirt”...😉😄
This is incredible. God bless her.
jacki hillios presenter some fail recovery due to the lack of determnation when the program gets good we think its a set up and go back to doing what we thought we did best get high am I resilient yes was able to bounce back although I failed many time but rose again out of the ashes again 14 years sober and than one day and here I am again .alcohol cost me the lost of my privilage to drive freely and I worked hard to get that back and embrassement among my peers. this was for Angelo Strong
Anyone have tips for plantar fasciatis? I am struggling with recovery and love to run but have been avoiding running for months because of the pain in my feet when I first get out of bed. I can hardly walk to go to the bathroom when I wake up in the middle of the night, but once I've been moving for a while, my feet feel fine. My brain is going crazy without the endorphins once a week at least.
I agree, we should give young minds great lessons to live life happily
Please come to NJ
You need to want to be clean more than you want to live in the gutter. That's the truth. I'm a fentanyl addict. Arguably the hardest habit to kick. And I did. It's the hardest thing ever. Most people can't comprehend it.
Thank you
does the phoenix philosphy exist in any rehab program exist anywhere in Quebec Canada?
my friend is currently shooting up heroin. what if she never reaches out to me?
Not a word about the twelve strep rooms??- AA, NA, Al Anon... these rooms are noncommercial, nonhierarchial- peer to peer. Phoenix multisport is a cool thing, for certain. Period. But, 8000 people is nothing compared to the tens of millions that the 12 step rooms have helped. The fact that the speaker only mentions her program and medical drug treatment is a huge glaring omission and disservice to those other vastly more common and equally successful programs of recovery.
You are spot on My friend..I Respect all of the opinions about recovery programs,. But lately i've been seeing a lot of negativity against the 12 step program.. and i think that people who are or where not able to recover or understand a 12 step program are people who could not understand and accept why they became a drug addict or alcoholic in the first place.. It is very difficult to see accept and admit why and all of the hardship that we go and drag all the people who surround us thru.. But to my belief it is there where recovery lies..
Gabriel Alvarez thanks- yes- 12step recovery is not option for some people it seems and for that reason it takes a village of recovery and rehab programs to meet people where theyre at makes me feel lucky i made it in at all that i eas able to get in the door and stay in the rooms long enough to see what a great resource the Anonymous Fellowships are
Kissing Bandit I am a drug addict been haven't used drugs or alcohol in 18 yrs thanks to AA.. I would suggest you try to identify why NA didn't work for you, maybe looking at other people's flaws or defects is not a good thing for the addict, to me alcohol is a liquid drug.. and I used any substance I could get my hands on to escape a reality I couldn't accept..
She's talking about helping people recover. Period. Why is that a problem with people???
Agreed
My area could use something like this. Right now my city has a safe injection site (in the parking lot) a harm reduction site aka Arches Al and they have addiction counsellors. And it seems that it is creating more problems as more used needles are being found in the downtown area. I've been told that it's possible that they planned this site for majority of users, criminals, or any trouble makers to be conveniently in one area for the city police to keep tabs on. I'm talking about Lethbridge Alberta but I'm sure this is happening in a lot of cities. Methbridge is now what its called by many
Excellent gives me hope
Thank You for this video!!!!!