I disagree with the interviewer's claim that we had so little information. We had an abundance of information gleaned from centuries of experience and study of viruses, economics, best medical practices, etc. And we had pandemic emergency preparedness plans built on that accumulated knowledge. Virtually any country, had they followed their plan, would have had a response similar to Sweden's. Instead, we experimented with interventions made up in a state of hysteria. We imposed these interventions on our children. It was a clear violation of the most fundamental maxim of medicine: do no harm.
Every vaccine tested the last 100 years was stopped if people in the trials died. Not in covid trials with 10 times as many dying/ seriously injured, according to new stats..
Agreed ! I’m a history nerd and own about 10 books on various pandemics throughout history - some dating back 2400 years ago . But suddenly , in the year 2020 , pandemics were a challenging mystery 😂 We are living in 🤡 world
in New York City you couldn't get a job, including private businesses, if you were unvaxed, and that's a fact. we should never forget what happened during those years.
It was awful! I was so glad that I moved to Florida from NYS after college. It was bad enough in Florida, which handled Covid better than almost any other US state...
So was the sensoring by the media and platforms like youtube and facebook. However if the so called vax protected those who were vulnerable then why did double vaxed people end up in hospital dying?
And yet, The Spectator was completely asleep at the wheel when it happened. Even Douglas Murray, who famously declared that : "pandemics aren't in my wheelhouse".
If there's any consolation, the plandemic exposed everyone and every organization for who they really were. Sadly, only a tiny fraction did the virtuous thing. I never felt so lonely in my life.
Dr. Jay Battacharya is a true hero. Thank you for giving this single, 60 year old working class woman a voice. I will never recover economically from the lockdown and will now work until I die.
I remember snotty glorified newsreaders being incredibly rude to Dr Sunetra Gupta during the pandemic for her very valid views. The pandemic hysteria was madness and we'll be paying the price for years to come.
Exactly. I'll never forget the abuse that the un-vaccinated took for just trying to warn people that they were nervous and sceptical of an experimental jab. The government and media were like hyenas. Now they want to forget the part they played in this.
Posterity will not look kindly upon our time. But Jay among a few others will be remembered for their truth, honest and courage. Well done man! You certainly set an example for me to follow. Hopefully others too.
Check mark!! Natural doubter here. Did not even know that the devil was in that vaccine early on. Refused it anyway. In my small city area, the homeless seemed to stay healthy. They did not get vacc'ed. Did not get Covid, or had light symptoms.
There is no field of science that does not have some disagreeing with the orthodox view. When they publish in peer reviewed journals they can overturn the orthodoxy. It is not whistle blowing.
@@julianshepherd2038 But when you have a situation where the peer review system is broken because all of the peer reviewers have conflicts of interest, then there is a crisis in science.
The inventor of mRNA was silenced and 'Big Bird' from sesame street was exulted as an 'expert' instead. Dr Peter McCullough too! He's only the most cited heart specialist in the world today. He must have been replaced by George Clooney or someone like that.
And that data was available so early on!!! The Great Barrington Declaration authors and signers certainly considered that data. Sweden appears to have as well. But American, British, German, Canadian and most of The West ignored it. And they continue to dig in deeper and refuse to acknowledge their mistakes/horrible decisions.
Perhaps she thinks we won't hold her responsible for genocide if she keeps on lying. Sadly not enough jabbed will admit to hysterically making perhaps the biggest mistake of their lives. Irrational fear exposed the weak.
Wait, if you have very little information, then you have no right whatsoever to mandate anything to anybody. Secondly, knowing they have very little information, it is incumbent upon them to declare it, not doing so and saying "I am the science, disagreeing with me is disagreeing with the science" is morally repugnant. Thirdly, in a democracy, dictatorship for any reason and by any means are still dictatorships.
I recall that the Spectator was pretty sceptical at the time - arguing at least for some kind of cost-benefit analysis of lockdown. Quite a few of their writers seemed against lockdown.
For many the chapter isn't ever going to be closed. People need holding to account for this fiasco. The chapter won't be closed because the fallout from this fiasco will go on for years. So glad we never took the shot.
Let's start by bringing back the days when you could post a theory of a conspiracy, and it would not be censored online, and other people could read it.
"Trickle-down epidemiology" in the US was hindered when the Supreme Court ruled Biden's vaccine mandate for workers as unconstitutional. The U.S. military is dealing with a shortage of military personnel because thousands of people were denied religious exemption and so they quit. The military is currently bribing veterans to come back. I was forced into early retirement because I refused to go along with the program and had to shut down my business. An entire generation of school-age children have been traumatized by the lockdowns and I'm told by teachers I know that first-graders through 4th graders are now behind in their grade level. They're not passing basic proficiency. Middle and high schoolers faired okay academically, but emotionally and socially not so much. So when I hear someone say the medical intervention saved lives I have to ask whose lives did it save? Because I don't see it. People I know who have taken the interventions keep getting sick, and I also know people in my age group who dropped dead from heart attacks after getting the intervention. There are no coincidences.
When covid came up, I looked up how big a covid virus is. Turns out it's small, very very small. In fact stupidly small. I then thought, this can't be stopped! Took me 5 minutes 😂
'a covid virus' is not a very helpful analysis since we'd never had THIS covid virus and had no idea how it would work, how contagious or how dangerous it would be.
it's the same anywhere. It seems talking about Covid and the whole response is some taboo argument lol the truth was, is and will always be that everything was a plandemical orchestra and here, obviously, zero swabs and zero jabs
Any one who died was put down as a covid death, plus the spike lines up with all the Midazolam they dished out, plus most Hospitals closed most of their wards so the Nurses could have dancing lessons, plus the Nightingale hospitals never got used. So the plandemic happened where?
I live opposite an ambo station. There were dozens parked up, the paramedics were having picnics in the car park. Where were all the sick and dying people? There weren't any.
Bhattacharya and Gupta being so measured in their responses but the very fact that their suggested mode of handling the Covid 19 Pandemic would work better for us and have less damaging impact on us was the very reason they were attacked and shut down so summarily. China Flu, it’s handling, everything used to give us a thoroughly crushing, demoralising experience. We and our children still trying to come out from under. Some will never recover.
The response took a wrecking ball to my career. My kids developed depression and anxiety. I was full of anger at my family for rejecting me as a single woman with grown kids, luckily I had a housemate so I didn’t go mad.
Only duplicitous criminals who don't want to lose the power to repeat their murderous tyrannical actions would redact any information with regard to the COVID debacle. That would include ALL of our political leaders.
The need to be speak in guarded code will make true progress difficult.. Genuine courage is needed.. if we are to bring the corrupted regime to account
You can never say the open truth which is that the David Cameron gave knowingly bad advice whilst an agent for the CCP, in order to trick Europe into accepting deals with the CCP - who in my view virtually opened he gates for the plandemic for this reason.
But it’s not over yet - Belgium virologist Geert Vanden Bossche tells us the real misery is only just beginning and will be obvious and undeniable by end June
Nurse, watching dead babies born, daily codes for the adults and coworkers and families have their health continuously destroyed...there is no closing the chapter without justice and trust in healthcare from WITHIN is gone.
I disagree with the ‘truce’,the main problem in our world is the lack of accountability,too many of these idiots are failing upwards,where their idiocy can cause even more problems,they have had their chance,they failed…u turn required.
They haven't even articulated why they are sorry, so I can't take them seriously. I don't remember an apology. It's important to me that I understand why they are sorry. When they do that, I'll consider forgiveness, but until then I'm not listening. They want to skip A (the apology) and go straight to C (truce). The use of the word 'truce' is a Freudian slip. Are they admitting they were at war with us? What are they talking about? 🤷🏻♂️
@@Marstepolovsky I don’t think they ARE sorry,I reckon it’s embarrassment…but it’s nowhere near enough for me,we need lessons to be taught AND learned.
The suggestions on how to avoid mistakes like those from 2020-2023 in the future are sadly based on the assumption that politicians and bureaucrats have our best interest at heart, which they absolutely do not.
I remain SO glad to this day that I didn't succumb to the relentless state and social bullying that surrounded those untested jabs. It wasn't simply the untested novel jabs themselves that bothered me so much as the entire principle involved in forcing people to have them based on what most people are now only slowly waking up to were highly dodgy premises.
As someone who was working in a care home, I can tell you that not only did they take actions which made no sense, but they did everything possible to exacerbate infection rates. The hospitals were sending clients to us assuring us that they had 2 clear covid tests. When we checked the medical records there was no record of any test having been carried out.
I had a thriving business, a nice home and I was locked down, with the result of the loss of my business, loss of my home, loss of my savings and now at 66 I have to live in a van. I cannot on my pension afford to rent anything and are not eligible for a council property. My mp said there are no compensation funds. So I am expected to walk away with nothing due to no fault of my own.
How can you prove these novels injections saved millions? One look at stats from low uptake countries doesn't really show higher COVID deaths. But im pretty sure their post pandemic excess death stats are lower. Examples being Eastern European countries such as Bulgaria.
All cause mortality started to climb more significantly than so called covid deaths in the UK and the U.S. , for example, after the mrna injections had been widely pushed . Insurance companies have been sounding the alarm on these concerning developments. Covid deaths stats were skewed especially in the U.S. where doctors were instructed to attribute deaths to covid if the patient had covid at the time of death regardless. So if for example the patient was killed by a car accident, if they had covid that was indicated as cause of death. 🤔🤔Something very sinister has been going on! 😳😫
An elite boys' school in Melbourne Australia near where I live did not lockdown. They were secretly filmed at the height of the lockdown period having an open-air party. So, yes, social class seemed to be a factor.
The reason there is so much mudslinging is because in the US at least, even though people may not want to talk about it, they are still REALLY angry. It's a very bad thing for anger to smolder so long, but unfortunately we are still dealing with the effects of the utterly failed pandemic "response." And if you believe the predictions we will be dealing with those effects for 10-20 years. We keep hearing things like "we were trying to save lives" and "we were doing the best we could with what we knew." The first thing to understand is that people aren't stupid, even us lowly little people. It became very clear early THAT THE MITIGATION MEASURES, INCLUDING LOCKDOWN, DIDN'T WORK. No one would have minded doing the mitigation measures if they had worked, BUT THEY DID NOT. The second thing is that there has never been a bigger and clearer example of the old cliche, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." But even after it became clear the good intentions were not working they kept pushing the same failed measures AT GREAT EXPENSE TO ORDINARY PEOPLE. We, us ordinary people have already paid the price and are still paying the price. So yes, I am one of those who thinks there should be post WW2 style trials for crimes against humanity. The architects of the horrors we endured should also pay the price.
Whether incompetence / ineptitude or malice, why would those who led the CV-19 folly want to be transparent. And to discuss what was wrong with the policies without examining what was missing, such as a discipline tracking system, gene therapy quality control,,,,, Lockdowns were a confounder but/and there is so much more evidence that the policies more generally were destructive, so much so that they killed rather than protected.
And of course we need to remember that the average age of a UK covid death to this day remains at roughly the same as UK average death at over 80 years old.
Anyone with professional, historical, data driven objections or questions were instantly hammered down by the hysterical media. Calm conversations did not have a place during the covid circus.
We need both understanding and justice. We don't come across a crash by the roadside and assume it was an accident if we are wise. We would refer to it as a collision. Same logic must apply to those sending sickly men and women among the most vulnerable. It's not wise to call it a mistake or accident until that has been well established. It's a poor descision, very possibly a deliberate and callous act of cost cutting the pension bills. These same countries are looking at or have already legalized doctors killing patients with their "consent". In quotes because it's just a box to tick, won't need to be properly assessed, any more than murdering the unborn needs proper assessment.
This whole situation is a joke. My personal belief is that we are stuck In progressive way of thinking about issues, even the conservatives are locked in. How we feel emotionally about something is more important than facts and instinct that are at play in the situation.
Her comment was ironic. The way it fades to the theatrical jolly piano roll just highlights what a s**tshow it was. What amuses me is the theatrical BS of covid inquiry. The lot of them point fingers at each other and name call while pretending they were lacked the foresight to act in the interest of the collective/nation. Of course this is far from the truth given they all did very well out of the crisis. Rishi timed his Moderna stock purchases perfectly and they all had a plan given were following the script dictated by the BBC4 "Contagion" program a year before and the Event 201 exercises just months before. I've watched too much Bremner Bird and Fortune to realise the primary role of government is to pretend to fail.
Why all the secrets… don’t they want to know the truth and learn from mistakes? I don’t understand how key players can have immunity from sharing information and from being transparent.
Thank you to a the courageous doctors, scientists, scientists who treated early, and looked deeply into the data, Dr Raoult, Dr Zelenko, Dr Gold, Dr Lawrie, Dr Mccoulach, Dr Urso, Dr Chetty, Dr Hazan, Dr Urso, Dr Malik, Dr Kory, Dr Marik, Dr Stone, Dr Atlas, Dr Ladapo, Nick Hudson,
I want those responsible held accountable. Otherwise they will just do it again or whoever is in charge will. I want to see the evidence that the jab lowered hospitalization. They did not tell the truth about other aspects why not that one too.
Here is the TRUTH> This is Donald Trump's 2016 Financial Disclosure Report. He turned this in when he was a Presidential Candidate. Look at all those gas companies that he's invested in! There's Chevron, Valero, Phillip's66, Conoco Phillips, Shell, Exxon, Halliburton, Seadrill, Transocean, TransCanada Pipeline(Keystone Pipeline) Energy Transfer Partners(Dakota Access Pipeline) and NextEra-EV charging stations, solar energy, wind turbines, nuclear energy, renewable fuels, green energy. And Big Pharma and vaccines companies Pfizer, Merck, J&J, Amgen, Regeneron, Gilead, GlaxoSmithKline, Bristol Myers Squibb, Thermo Fisher Scientific, SANOFI(vaccines and insulin) and McKesson-provider of PPE medical gloves, gowns, medical supplies and MASKS-the masks that his followers wouldn't wear. www.documentcloud.org/documents/2838696-Trump-2016-Financial-Disclosure.html
As the world seeks to close it chapter on coof - yer right, some people for sure. What is the point in debating what worked and what didnt when WHO gets to decide next time around?
I must agree with “rareby “ , we had the Gibraltar affair with huge covid deaths regardless of the 98%”vaccination”. That took place in 2020. Then consider PNG which had an overall minus death rate with a 2% vaccinated population and using ivermectin and similar. If you talkers have so much influence etc etc why didn’t you stand up to the coercion. We have five doctors in Australia who lost their licenses because they asked questions. What would have happened if all doctors had spoken rather than remain cowards. Cheers Mike
From the beginning onwards, in early March 2020 I asked myself how the whole world followed a paper by a no-name-blogger? Who stood behind Tomas Pueyo? Why did nobody ever ask this? How can sb. whose interest is "star wars" just write within a few days on which measures governments should take? He initiated "the hammer and the dance". He was never challenged, how he put his puzzle together? Is there anybody in the world who questioned this as well?
Truth was the Casualty in this charade.....A.F. should be another. Sweden spoke of 4000 students who willingly were "chipped" for ease of entering a snack room and vending machines. Unreal!
Why aren't we now asking why Bulgaria, Africa, and PNG don't have excess mortality rates? The subject being revealed in this video is at least three years old.
Yes let's have a discussion about it . . . that is always the best way to kick it into the long grass. Exactily what one has come to expect from the spectator.
Compared to 2020-23 this is huge progress. These 2 doctors would not have been touched by the spectator and this conversation would never have happened. We have to take the small wins in the hope they will create momentum for larger ones. But never forget the Spectator was complicit.
During 2020, Sunetra Gupta's words fit perfectly with the situation and made the best sense to me. Even Sunetra Gupta's prediction that half of us would have immunity before vaccines came along turned out to be absolutely correct, according to the official UK immunity testing program. It's time for the government to stop using Professor Panicky, Neil Ferguson. He's good for corporate beneficiaries, not so good for the public
Any government that refuses to be transparent shouldn't be allowed to continue governing or to govern again. Admit what you got wrong and perhaps we can move on and not have the same mistakes repeated.
It's called triage and you live far too sheltered a life and haven't read enough exciting books if you're not comfortable with the concept. Sacrifice the aged and sick to save the children? I don't consider that a difficult decision. For most aged and sick people it's not a difficult decision. On the personal level its tragic, but decisions made with emotion is what landed us in this mess.
I disagree with the interviewer's claim that we had so little information. We had an abundance of information gleaned from centuries of experience and study of viruses, economics, best medical practices, etc. And we had pandemic emergency preparedness plans built on that accumulated knowledge. Virtually any country, had they followed their plan, would have had a response similar to Sweden's. Instead, we experimented with interventions made up in a state of hysteria. We imposed these interventions on our children. It was a clear violation of the most fundamental maxim of medicine: do no harm.
And constitutionnal rights, abbeas corpus etc
Every vaccine tested the last 100 years was stopped if people in the trials died. Not in covid trials with 10 times as many dying/ seriously injured, according to new stats..
It wasn't done to protect us,it was an experiment that will be used again because it worked so well.
I KNEW IT ALL ALONG FROM 2008from certain website and a substance made in your skin when in direct szun light
Agreed !
I’m a history nerd and own about 10 books on various pandemics throughout history - some dating back 2400 years ago .
But suddenly , in the year 2020 , pandemics were a challenging mystery 😂
We are living in 🤡 world
in New York City you couldn't get a job, including private businesses, if you were unvaxed, and that's a fact. we should never forget what happened during those years.
They certainly chose the merciless way with people.
Incompetence at the top .
And ordinary aware thinking people pushed aside and ruined.
It was awful! I was so glad that I moved to Florida from NYS after college. It was bad enough in Florida, which handled Covid better than almost any other US state...
Never forget, never forgive.
Biggest scandal of all time. Slowly waking up.
Planned depopulation. If you look at the Fusion weapons deployed by TfL they are still planning the extermination.
So was the sensoring by the media and platforms like youtube and facebook. However if the so called vax protected those who were vulnerable then why did double vaxed people end up in hospital dying?
And yet, The Spectator was completely asleep at the wheel when it happened. Even Douglas Murray, who famously declared that : "pandemics aren't in my wheelhouse".
I see it more in terms of being one of the biggest crimes against humanity, when coupled with the mandatory experimental jab.
If there's any consolation, the plandemic exposed everyone and every organization for who they really were. Sadly, only a tiny fraction did the virtuous thing. I never felt so lonely in my life.
Dr. Jay Battacharya is a true hero. Thank you for giving this single, 60 year old working class woman a voice. I will never recover economically from the lockdown and will now work until I die.
Maybe you should just stop working....
that's the american economic model, work until you drop
@@Jannette-mw7fgAnd then?
@@whoolawoop6817 Welfare?
I remember snotty glorified newsreaders being incredibly rude to Dr Sunetra Gupta during the pandemic for her very valid views. The pandemic hysteria was madness and we'll be paying the price for years to come.
For decades.
❤
Exactly. I'll never forget the abuse that the un-vaccinated took for just trying to warn people that they were nervous and sceptical of an experimental jab. The government and media were like hyenas. Now they want to forget the part they played in this.
Posterity will not look kindly upon our time. But Jay among a few others will be remembered for their truth, honest and courage. Well done man! You certainly set an example for me to follow. Hopefully others too.
possibly.... but we are still in a battle against the same evil forces that directed the covid attack. IF we defeat them, then yes you will be right.
The interviewer states "the vaccines saved millions of lives" , citation needed
*Correction "The vaccines made millions of dollars". Citation available lol.
Lives were not saved from the biologicL,genetic injections.
I didn't rate the interviewer very highly TBH
@@DailyCorvid Billion$
Substitute 'ended' for 'saved'.
I didn’t take the jab because I didn’t need it. And I said lockdowns would be a disaster. Spoiler alert… It wasn’t difficult to work out.
Unvaccinated and never had Covid.
Unvaccinated but had covid twice .... but I'm OK and now I have natural immunity.😊
By the way - I was 64 the first time and then at 65. I'm 68 now, and thank the Lord, I still have my health and strength. Praise the Lord!
You do not have to be a meteorologist to know it is raining. A control group is something every 2nd grader learns about.
Check mark!!
Natural doubter here. Did not even know that the devil was in that vaccine early on. Refused it anyway.
In my small city area, the homeless seemed to stay healthy. They did not get vacc'ed. Did not get Covid, or had light symptoms.
Two Scientists ignored and sidelined if not ridiculed by the orthodoxy at the Height of the UK Covid hysteria.
Bullied like all whistle blowers
There is no field of science that does not have some disagreeing with the orthodox view.
When they publish in peer reviewed journals they can overturn the orthodoxy.
It is not whistle blowing.
@@julianshepherd2038 But when you have a situation where the peer review system is broken because all of the peer reviewers have conflicts of interest, then there is a crisis in science.
@@theresearcher253 Science is done,it’s all about the money,like everything else.
The inventor of mRNA was silenced and 'Big Bird' from sesame street was exulted as an 'expert' instead.
Dr Peter McCullough too!
He's only the most cited heart specialist in the world today.
He must have been replaced by George Clooney or someone like that.
Policymakers who ignored the data from the Diamond Princess cannot claim they did not know enough to do anything different than they did.
And that data was available so early on!!! The Great Barrington Declaration authors and signers certainly considered that data. Sweden appears to have as well. But American, British, German, Canadian and most of The West ignored it. And they continue to dig in deeper and refuse to acknowledge their mistakes/horrible decisions.
She thinks the “vaccines” saved millions of lives??!! 😂
Kate Andrews😂😂😂😂😂disgracing herself. Again.
Her SSRIs/benzodiazepines prevent critical thinking
Not the brightest bulb.
Perhaps she thinks we won't hold her responsible for genocide if she keeps on lying. Sadly not enough jabbed will admit to hysterically making perhaps the biggest mistake of their lives. Irrational fear exposed the weak.
Wait till they switch up the 5G WBAN weapon.. Its already killed 21 million.
Wait, if you have very little information, then you have no right whatsoever to mandate anything to anybody. Secondly, knowing they have very little information, it is incumbent upon them to declare it, not doing so and saying "I am the science, disagreeing with me is disagreeing with the science" is morally repugnant. Thirdly, in a democracy, dictatorship for any reason and by any means are still dictatorships.
Yes again. As for her claim that we had so little information I would ask-“ Did somebody burn all the immunology textbooks in March 2020?”
@@livialaurenzano4081 🤣 Mic drop. 💯💯💯
4 years to late. Well done "The Spectator", you should of spoke out at the time but you didn't for SOME reason.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
And still think lock-downs were the right thing to do.
Like so many.
I recall that the Spectator was pretty sceptical at the time - arguing at least for some kind of cost-benefit analysis of lockdown. Quite a few of their writers seemed against lockdown.
@@martinbaum5354 They jumped in line like all MSM, PAL. Nether forgive or forget.
@@mikeaugust747Unfortunately! And new media is being regulated and censored more and more ...
For many the chapter isn't ever going to be closed. People need holding to account for this fiasco. The chapter won't be closed because the fallout from this fiasco will go on for years. So glad we never took the shot.
Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent
Let's start by bringing back the days when you could post a theory of a conspiracy, and it would not be censored online, and other people could read it.
"Trickle-down epidemiology" in the US was hindered when the Supreme Court ruled Biden's vaccine mandate for workers as unconstitutional. The U.S. military is dealing with a shortage of military personnel because thousands of people were denied religious exemption and so they quit. The military is currently bribing veterans to come back. I was forced into early retirement because I refused to go along with the program and had to shut down my business. An entire generation of school-age children have been traumatized by the lockdowns and I'm told by teachers I know that first-graders through 4th graders are now behind in their grade level. They're not passing basic proficiency. Middle and high schoolers faired okay academically, but emotionally and socially not so much. So when I hear someone say the medical intervention saved lives I have to ask whose lives did it save? Because I don't see it. People I know who have taken the interventions keep getting sick, and I also know people in my age group who dropped dead from heart attacks after getting the intervention. There are no coincidences.
When covid came up, I looked up how big a covid virus is. Turns out it's small, very very small. In fact stupidly small. I then thought, this can't be stopped! Took me 5 minutes 😂
It’s not the size that made it unstoppable, but that it was the most highly contagious virus I have ever seen.
Goes through any mask easily.
'a covid virus' is not a very helpful analysis since we'd never had THIS covid virus and had no idea how it would work, how contagious or how dangerous it would be.
Clearly, whoever runs the country does not want the whole picture subject to scrutiny. The question is, wno is pulling the strings?
WEF/WHO/GATES/DAVOS/GAVI
it's the same anywhere. It seems talking about Covid and the whole response is some taboo argument lol the truth was, is and will always be that everything was a plandemical orchestra and here, obviously, zero swabs and zero jabs
Little hats
Who
Soros also.
Any one who died was put down as a covid death, plus the spike lines up with all the Midazolam they dished out, plus most Hospitals closed most of their wards so the Nurses could have dancing lessons, plus the Nightingale hospitals never got used. So the plandemic happened where?
I live opposite an ambo station. There were dozens parked up, the paramedics were having picnics in the car park. Where were all the sick and dying people? There weren't any.
“Wards closed so nurses could have dancing lessons”
I’ve never heard such shit in all my life.
@@niriop So you haven't seen the dancing nurses on empty wards? Check it out, there's loads of videos
@@niriop So the Nurses danced for what? they had nothing to do and they was probably just about to shout Hoax.
@@spex357 I don’t believe you.
You couldn’t possibly cite a source.
"Group think"? Puppets don't think.
From the late 1950's on, we were pushed toward looking to the 'experts' .
Only dollarsigns in their brain.😂😂😂
Bhattacharya and Gupta being so measured in their responses but the very fact that their suggested mode of handling the Covid 19 Pandemic would work better for us and have less damaging impact on us was the very reason they were attacked and shut down so summarily. China Flu, it’s handling, everything used to give us a thoroughly crushing, demoralising experience. We and our children still trying to come out from under. Some will never recover.
The response took a wrecking ball to my career. My kids developed depression and anxiety. I was full of anger at my family for rejecting me as a single woman with grown kids, luckily I had a housemate so I didn’t go mad.
@@kathybrady4033 so sorry- I was newly bereaved and the isolation I found very very destructive
Given the undisciplined and unreliable testing tools and process, there is no way to know how many people died due to covid.
Only duplicitous criminals who don't want to lose the power to repeat their murderous tyrannical actions would redact any information with regard to the COVID debacle. That would include ALL of our political leaders.
Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent
Let alone it was not a vaccine
I agree now the proof is coming from all around the world.
still isn't
A bioweapon
GMO
The need to be speak in guarded code will make true progress difficult.. Genuine courage is needed.. if we are to bring the corrupted regime to account
You can never say the open truth which is that the David Cameron gave knowingly bad advice whilst an agent for the CCP, in order to trick Europe into accepting deals with the CCP - who in my view virtually opened he gates for the plandemic for this reason.
This was all planned. Everything went to plan. Buckle up for round 2. Its not far away.
Event201🤮
This time there will be V mandates as the only way to avoid lockdown. You will be a criminal if you refuse.
What went to plan?
What was the goal?
But it’s not over yet - Belgium virologist Geert Vanden Bossche tells us the real misery is only just beginning and will be obvious and undeniable by end June
That idiot made the same doomsday claims three years ago and it still hasn’t happened.
Nurse, watching dead babies born, daily codes for the adults and coworkers and families have their health continuously destroyed...there is no closing the chapter without justice and trust in healthcare from WITHIN is gone.
you are a nurse?
For covid, now read climate change
Dane wigington channel is very interesting
The Swedish government said from the start we do not have the power to restrict the people. What happened to UK.
I disagree with the ‘truce’,the main problem in our world is the lack of accountability,too many of these idiots are failing upwards,where their idiocy can cause even more problems,they have had their chance,they failed…u turn required.
I won't accept a truce either. I want justice - unconditionally.
I totally agree
They haven't even articulated why they are sorry, so I can't take them seriously. I don't remember an apology. It's important to me that I understand why they are sorry. When they do that, I'll consider forgiveness, but until then I'm not listening.
They want to skip A (the apology) and go straight to C (truce).
The use of the word 'truce' is a Freudian slip. Are they admitting they were at war with us?
What are they talking about? 🤷🏻♂️
@@Marstepolovsky I don’t think they ARE sorry,I reckon it’s embarrassment…but it’s nowhere near enough for me,we need lessons to be taught AND learned.
@@joelfildes5544 I'm afraid that you are most likely right about that.
P.S. Thank you for interviewing both these dignified scientists.
The suggestions on how to avoid mistakes like those from 2020-2023 in the future are sadly based on the assumption that politicians and bureaucrats have our best interest at heart, which they absolutely do not.
I remain SO glad to this day that I didn't succumb to the relentless state and social bullying that surrounded those untested jabs.
It wasn't simply the untested novel jabs themselves that bothered me so much as the entire principle involved in forcing people to have them based on what most people are now only slowly waking up to were highly dodgy premises.
it was not about „Covid.“ It was about control.
As someone who was working in a care home, I can tell you that not only did they take actions which made no sense, but they did everything possible to exacerbate infection rates. The hospitals were sending clients to us assuring us that they had 2 clear covid tests. When we checked the medical records there was no record of any test having been carried out.
Best quote from sunetre..," if you want to play silly mask games is up to you.
Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.
I had a thriving business, a nice home and I was locked down, with the result of the loss of my business, loss of my home, loss of my savings and now at 66 I have to live in a van. I cannot on my pension afford to rent anything and are not eligible for a council property. My mp said there are no compensation funds.
So I am expected to walk away with nothing due to no fault of my own.
How can you prove these novels injections saved millions? One look at stats from low uptake countries doesn't really show higher COVID deaths. But im pretty sure their post pandemic excess death stats are lower.
Examples being Eastern European countries such as Bulgaria.
All cause mortality started to climb more significantly than so called covid deaths in the UK and the U.S. , for example, after the mrna injections had been widely pushed . Insurance companies have been sounding the alarm on these concerning developments. Covid deaths stats were skewed especially in the U.S. where doctors were instructed to attribute deaths to covid if the patient had covid at the time of death regardless. So if for example the patient was killed by a car accident, if they had covid that was indicated as cause of death. 🤔🤔Something very sinister has been going on! 😳😫
Im unjabbed, went out when i had it and i broke all the rules nice.
An elite boys' school in Melbourne Australia near where I live did not lockdown. They were secretly filmed at the height of the lockdown period having an open-air party. So, yes, social class seemed to be a factor.
The reason there is so much mudslinging is because in the US at least, even though people may not want to talk about it, they are still REALLY angry. It's a very bad thing for anger to smolder so long, but unfortunately we are still dealing with the effects of the utterly failed pandemic "response." And if you believe the predictions we will be dealing with those effects for 10-20 years.
We keep hearing things like "we were trying to save lives" and "we were doing the best we could with what we knew." The first thing to understand is that people aren't stupid, even us lowly little people. It became very clear early THAT THE MITIGATION MEASURES, INCLUDING LOCKDOWN, DIDN'T WORK. No one would have minded doing the mitigation measures if they had worked, BUT THEY DID NOT. The second thing is that there has never been a bigger and clearer example of the old cliche, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." But even after it became clear the good intentions were not working they kept pushing the same failed measures AT GREAT EXPENSE TO ORDINARY PEOPLE.
We, us ordinary people have already paid the price and are still paying the price. So yes, I am one of those who thinks there should be post WW2 style trials for crimes against humanity. The architects of the horrors we endured should also pay the price.
Friends and i had no vaccine's at all and we were all fine .I also have no spleen .
Whether incompetence / ineptitude or malice, why would those who led the CV-19 folly want to be transparent. And to discuss what was wrong with the policies without examining what was missing, such as a discipline tracking system, gene therapy quality control,,,,, Lockdowns were a confounder but/and there is so much more evidence that the policies more generally were destructive, so much so that they killed rather than protected.
I declared the medical system incompetent in 2007
And of course we need to remember that the average age of a UK covid death to this day remains at roughly the same as UK average death at over 80 years old.
Anyone with professional, historical, data driven objections or questions were instantly hammered down by the hysterical media. Calm conversations did not have a place during the covid circus.
Thank you for the great interview and thank you Dr. Jay Bhattacharya for everything you have been doing. From Australia ❤️❤️❤️
No Justice No Peace
I’m calling for justice to be applied over Covid until I die
If everyone wants to move on from the Pand, why is there still Cov advice notifications below this video?
Good point 😳
We need both understanding and justice.
We don't come across a crash by the roadside and assume it was an accident if we are wise. We would refer to it as a collision. Same logic must apply to those sending sickly men and women among the most vulnerable. It's not wise to call it a mistake or accident until that has been well established. It's a poor descision, very possibly a deliberate and callous act of cost cutting the pension bills. These same countries are looking at or have already legalized doctors killing patients with their "consent". In quotes because it's just a box to tick, won't need to be properly assessed, any more than murdering the unborn needs proper assessment.
This whole situation is a joke. My personal belief is that we are stuck
In progressive way of thinking about issues, even the conservatives are locked in. How we feel emotionally about something is more important than facts and instinct that are at play in the situation.
Health Care Professionals be honest with outsiders? Why? They stil get paid the same no matter what they say or do to Members of The Public.
The ending comment about locking down sooner with the closing piano roll nails it lol
She said the closest thing to an apology was when they said we should have locked down sooner ?? how is that an apology ? what am I missing ?
Her comment was ironic. The way it fades to the theatrical jolly piano roll just highlights what a s**tshow it was. What amuses me is the theatrical BS of covid inquiry. The lot of them point fingers at each other and name call while pretending they were lacked the foresight to act in the interest of the collective/nation. Of course this is far from the truth given they all did very well out of the crisis. Rishi timed his Moderna stock purchases perfectly and they all had a plan given were following the script dictated by the BBC4 "Contagion" program a year before and the Event 201 exercises just months before.
I've watched too much Bremner Bird and Fortune to realise the primary role of government is to pretend to fail.
Why all the secrets… don’t they want to know the truth and learn from mistakes? I don’t understand how key players can have immunity from sharing information and from being transparent.
Thank you Dr Batacharya, Dr Gupta, Dr Kulldorf..when the world and its elite went mad you stood tall and had courage.
Thank you to a the courageous doctors, scientists, scientists who treated early, and looked deeply into the data, Dr Raoult, Dr Zelenko, Dr Gold, Dr Lawrie, Dr Mccoulach, Dr Urso, Dr Chetty, Dr Hazan, Dr Urso, Dr Malik, Dr Kory, Dr Marik, Dr Stone, Dr Atlas, Dr Ladapo, Nick Hudson,
I want those responsible held accountable. Otherwise they will just do it again or whoever is in charge will. I want to see the evidence that the jab lowered hospitalization. They did not tell the truth about other aspects why not that one too.
8:23 - Sunetra's dog executes the perfect escape to cause likely pre-planned mischief while she is otherwise occupied. Brilliant.
Yes we do need to know who said what. Character matters.
They can't hide the truth forever
Here is the TRUTH> This is Donald Trump's 2016 Financial Disclosure Report. He turned this in when he was a Presidential Candidate. Look at all those gas companies that he's invested in! There's Chevron, Valero, Phillip's66, Conoco Phillips, Shell, Exxon, Halliburton, Seadrill, Transocean, TransCanada Pipeline(Keystone Pipeline) Energy Transfer Partners(Dakota Access Pipeline) and NextEra-EV charging stations, solar energy, wind turbines, nuclear energy, renewable fuels, green energy. And Big Pharma and vaccines companies Pfizer, Merck, J&J, Amgen, Regeneron, Gilead, GlaxoSmithKline, Bristol Myers Squibb, Thermo Fisher Scientific, SANOFI(vaccines and insulin) and McKesson-provider of PPE medical gloves, gowns, medical supplies and MASKS-the masks that his followers wouldn't wear. www.documentcloud.org/documents/2838696-Trump-2016-Financial-Disclosure.html
Truth in the authorities and government and health is gone for people that their eyes are open, will make my own judgements thank you lovely chat.
I live in an affluent area where there are alot of private schools! It was business as usual throughout the lockdowns!
"Ancient history"???
So important! Public has to know why these destructive measures so authoritarian were taken
Bravo Dr. JAY..HERO
Thank you
As the world seeks to close it chapter on coof - yer right, some people for sure. What is the point in debating what worked and what didnt when WHO gets to decide next time around?
I must agree with “rareby “ , we had the Gibraltar affair with huge covid deaths regardless of the 98%”vaccination”. That took place in 2020. Then consider PNG which had an overall minus death rate with a 2% vaccinated population and using ivermectin and similar. If you talkers have so much influence etc etc why didn’t you stand up to the coercion. We have five doctors in Australia who lost their licenses because they asked questions. What would have happened if all doctors had spoken rather than remain cowards. Cheers Mike
From the beginning onwards, in early March 2020 I asked myself how the whole world followed a paper by a no-name-blogger? Who stood behind Tomas Pueyo? Why did nobody ever ask this? How can sb. whose interest is "star wars" just write within a few days on which measures governments should take? He initiated "the hammer and the dance". He was never challenged, how he put his puzzle together?
Is there anybody in the world who questioned this as well?
Truth was the Casualty in this charade.....A.F. should be another. Sweden spoke of 4000 students who willingly were "chipped" for ease of entering a snack room and vending machines. Unreal!
They will be the true slaves of the upcoming system!
Why aren't we now asking why Bulgaria, Africa, and PNG don't have excess mortality rates? The subject being revealed in this video is at least three years old.
Yes let's have a discussion about it . . . that is always the best way to kick it into the long grass. Exactily what one has come to expect from the spectator.
Spectator was enthusiastically promoting lockdowns and vaccines up until recently
Who are you kidding ?
Compared to 2020-23 this is huge progress. These 2 doctors would not have been touched by the spectator and this conversation would never have happened.
We have to take the small wins in the hope they will create momentum for larger ones.
But never forget the Spectator was complicit.
Dr John Campbell’s latest video on stats from UK & death from medications given people is horrendous
During 2020, Sunetra Gupta's words fit perfectly with the situation and made the best sense to me. Even Sunetra Gupta's prediction that half of us would have immunity before vaccines came along turned out to be absolutely correct, according to the official UK immunity testing program.
It's time for the government to stop using Professor Panicky, Neil Ferguson. He's good for corporate beneficiaries, not so good for the public
The health consequence is starting to unfold for millions. It cannot be undone.
These are two truly brave scientists who put their careers at risk by exposing what they knew to be the truth.
It's weird finding out what we're finding out. It's weird. If we can learn, we'll be great, until then, we're just treading water. Good show.
There will seriously have to be some major changes before you can think the next pandemic will be treated any different. 💲💉☠=💰🤑🇨🇦
The Devil was testing the waters for acceptance of his MOTB. He is clever......
People who worked fully remotely for NSW Govt were driven out of their jobs for refusing the poke.
At last😢. Too little too late Spectator
Ah yes, the Enquiry. The time honoured way of obscuring the truth and writing your preferred history.
Sweden didn't lockdown because they had carried out certain mandates previously
My mother dropped dead after the 4th shot.
100%
The privileged few working from home demanding that everyone stay away.
Living a country where there was NO support for wages, it was EVIL
You seem to be having a debate about having a debate
Any government that refuses to be transparent shouldn't be allowed to continue governing or to govern again. Admit what you got wrong and perhaps we can move on and not have the same mistakes repeated.
Perhaps the can’t be transparent because they had an agenda! 🤔😤
@@oliveoil7642I corrected my statement and changed "should" to "shouldn't". Your bang on. It's either that or total incompetence.
Practically the continent of Africa didn't lock down, so why is this discussion so Euro centric?
The largest transfer of wealth from the public purse straight into private hands in history.
This was a conspiracy and had little to do with public health policy.
Let the anchor talk a little more slowly, so that it will be easy for the hearer to understand her.
This was all known in 2020, I was watching it all being discussed on You Tube. Why only now is it considered news?
That was obvious
I dont think that adopting the language of the woke and calling it classist is helpful to our cause. I would simply call it evil.
Those wanting to close down investigations are people who know they have done evil or proved unfit to hold any responsibility.
Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent
Your willingness to sacrifice the sick and aged is chilling, Doctor. Brings to mind Nazi doctors, Vikings and ice floes.
It's called triage and you live far too sheltered a life and haven't read enough exciting books if you're not comfortable with the concept.
Sacrifice the aged and sick to save the children? I don't consider that a difficult decision. For most aged and sick people it's not a difficult decision.
On the personal level its tragic, but decisions made with emotion is what landed us in this mess.
My dad spent 4 years in a Japanese prison camp
The medical intervention made people more fornourable for c19 as I saw in my surrounding