The most mysterious star in the universe | Tabetha Boyajian
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2016
- Something massive, with roughly 1,000 times the area of Earth, is blocking the light coming from a distant star known as KIC 8462852, and nobody is quite sure what it is. As astronomer Tabetha Boyajian investigated this perplexing celestial object, a colleague suggested something unusual: Could it be an alien-built megastructure? Such an extraordinary idea would require extraordinary evidence. In this talk, Boyajian gives us a look at how scientists search for and test hypotheses when faced with the unknown.
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I am one of those volunteers and I am really proud. Seeing eclipsing binaries and possible exo planets is beyond fascinating.
And so u should be
@@stevegrimes21 :) it is very kind of you. Thanks.
You know your looking at wormwood forming right?
@@FireofGod7 wormwood or wormhole? :)
Keep up the good work. The results of the volunteers have been impressive.
Actual scientist, speaking with precision: "one of the most mysterious stars in our galaxy." Marketing person working for TED: "The most mysterious star in the universe".
Madeleine Dacey I think glashoppah was addressing the difference between “one of” and “the most” nothing beyond that.
@@yotube1ful Yes, but also the incomprehensibly huge difference between our galaxy and the universe.
Have you not thought about ignoring that what obscures the planet lies at a greater distance to the planet or closer to us watching the event
glashoppah I thought the same thing
indeed. sound like they know all the stars in the universe...theyre not even seen each and every in our galaxy
And she is too humble to mention that this star is named after her: Tabby's star. There are not many stars named after people, maybe a hundred in total (and I'm not one of them 😁)
Dude, You are on the bloody periodic table !!!!
@@akibmahmud19 And a carcinogen!
@@akibmahmud19 Lmao
@@ArghyadeepPal 😂
That's friggin cute
After watching this, I feel like earth might be the group project of alien students somewhere up there
And...those students failed.
@@axlnightmareYep, they will come back next year because of their crappy project!
alien chef commander : " Bring me this Tabetha snitch "
Maze nice
😂😂😂
😆
alien chef? what, are they gonna eat her?
explain this boyyyyy : "alien chef" hahahahahhahahahahaha
I really love what she ended on.
"What will it mean if we find another star like this? And what will it mean if we don't?"
If we don't find anything like this again it could possibly rule out natural phenomena,
and lean towards a more alien hypothesis.
The idea of dysonspheres actually existing is...its beyond fiction. Using it as an explanation for this phenomenon is absurd. Most likely it's a body, or bodies, that are oddly shaped with an odd orbit due to a collision.
The sphere would be a myth using our own perception of energy use. Considering we are 100 years removed from the use of fire as our primary source of energy, we are so far from reaching the ultimate sustainable source of energy that we have no idea what will and what will not be useful even on our planet in the next 100 years.
The problem with that is it is quite literally physically impossible to observe every possible star/star system that might imitate conditions similar to those displayed in the video. There are quadrillions of planets in our universe.
So sadly, unless the cosmos throws a stroke of pure, absolute luck at us, ruling in extraterrestrial possibilities is and will remain something to strive for
I get where your coming from though, it's always exciting when things like these pop up.
@@johnfillmore why would it not be a sad or unfortunate thing?
discovering something trivial (comparatively speaking) like an exoplanet is exciting in the astronomical world. If intelligent life is found elsewhere it would break the internet 💀.
She is very good in her presenation. She is believably direct without being arrogant. Her voice moves and pulls you along.
Good job.
For her, the audience, the viewers:
Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year
Merry Christmas Daniel!
That was a total letdown, she should have called this video the Most Clickbaitiest Title in the Universe
Watching this tin foil collaboration , it was a preposterous Christmas.
This is the worst presentation I've ever seen in TED, and frankly, I think, even on UA-cam in general. Her frame thesis is that "computers can't find this," but that's simply a lie. Computers can easily find things like this, if programmed to look. The REAL question isn't about the star, it's about what in the heck the NASA programmers were doing that their software didn't note these huge anomalies? Instead she peppers the talk with Star Wars-based theories that could have been shot down the second they were raised.
@@CaesarCassiusshe's not in charge of giving titles on this video. Are u dumb?
Between October 2019 and December 2019, at least seven separate dips were observed, the deepest of which had a depth of 2%. By the end of the observing season in early January 2020, the star had once again recovered in brightness. The total combined depth of the dips in 2019 was 11%, comparable to that seen in 2011 and 2013, but spread over a long time interval.
What does that mean ? Lol
@@AzazeIlI consistency, a pattern.
@@francineg2758 Exciting, isnt it!? 😳🫢
@@AzazeIlI absolutely!😊
@@francineg2758 how do you find info about this? I wanna keep up with this star and what ever comes out about the planets relatively close to it, but always have a hard time actually finding recent info
I got in trouble watching this in class, but then I showed my teacher and since it was science class, she let us watch it on the projector. #lucky
Astrophysics is also my dream career
Nice! That's a rad teacher
+Breanna Thompson same
+Breanna Thompson It is a win-win pursuit. If it didn't work out you could always crunch numbers for some corporation.
lol nice
Thought Christopher Walken was the most mysterious star in the universe
Christopher Walken is TERRIFYING.
@@BrookeSingleton He's a psycho lookalike 🤣🤣
BAHAHAHA made my day.
He is
Dude watch your mouth put some respect on his name seriously
Mars is currently very visible at night from the UK, and on late night walks with my dog, I often find myself just staring up at it and the stars surrounding it. The word awesome is used far too easily these days, but the sky at night is, truly awesome.
The older I get the more I realise my own ignorance. But, for me the biggest mystery is that of time and time alone must be properly understood before we can get anywhere with understanding anything else.
This lady is gentle with us dummies, for which I am grateful; well done!
“Gentle with us dummies” ugh - she’s not pandering.
Great, if we find aliens and they look into our history of extra terrestrial movies, they would see that 90% of the time, we kill them.
Yeah not a good welcome sign
:))))))))
fortunately, they won't receive the transmissions for another 1400 years or so.
usually only if they attack 1st,Iam all for intergalactic peace, but whilst your dashing out there-calling ETs in for lunch-a good probing via SETI,many are prepared for other potential evantualities.
"How to Serve Man"
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Take notes, flat earthers.
•Tristanrylan•
Lol
rrrrriiiiiiigggghhhhttt
Ummm...round earthers might wanna take notes
what exactly was the "extraordinary evidence" for a spinning waterball when it was first *made up* (or as you call it "discovered")?? Start with just 1.
@@viktorvasilik5477 We don't need extraordinary evidence if it's been proven for thousands of years...
@@tristanrylan that's what I thought your answer was going to be...sad because you don't have one...
I can't express enough how grateful I am for your channel. Your videos have helped me understand complex scientific concepts in an easily digestible way
thank you Tabetha, so interesting to hear of this
Sounds like it wasn't the star that was mysterious but the "thing" that passed in front of it!
Dyson sphere lvl 3 civilation hundreds of millions or billions or years old
This is absolutely fascinating! I had read a bit about it, but the way she breaks it down. As soon as i saw that 15% dip in light my jaw hit the ground!
EQOAnostalgia she said there was a 20% drop 1 thousand times the area of the earth..... damm
I don't get it, what if its an mis-shapen asteroid that is closer to us and just seems big and its blocking it. I think they are just riding the hype train.
+KNO a planet can't be this big and you're saying asteroid??
there is alot of things bigger than you could conceive. like suns several times and than the entire solarsystem. Millions of miles wide.
KNO because certainly none of the thousands of citizen enthusiasts or the teams of highly trained scientists who have looked at these data thought of that. You'd better write them. You may have cracked the case wide open!
I'm here from a book where I've read about tabetha and I thought tabetha is a male person but she is 'she' 🥰🥰🥰And of course sooo much proud of you🥰
(I'm a bagladeshi so I couldn't catch the name)
The kind of TED Talks we need more
This is frankly the worst I've ever seen. Her main idea is that "computers can't find this," but that's not true. Computers can easily find things like this, if programmed to look. The real question isn't about the star, it's about what in the heck the NASA programmers were doing that their software didn't note these huge anomalies? So: the entire thesis of the talk is incorrect. Why the heck do you think we need more such talks?
Imagine hundreds of years from today maybe this clip will be seen as: "This was the first time we noticed them".....
Jivan Moulandi scary
Definitely watching too many movies.
"It was happy times, before they attacked us..."
@@bassinblue It's possible although somewhat unlikely. But still possible.
At 2:39 she says " . . . one of the most mysterious stars in our galaxy." That's a far more modest claim than the video's title promises.
+aperson22222 i noticed that too
At a little after the 6 minute mark. She says "We checked the data, but the data were good." There, I contributed.
Most mysterious would the methulesa star. It is or at least was believed to be older than the universe itself (which is absolutely retarded).
+CaseOfSpaides data is a plural word - she is correct as she is referring to countable data
+Shourya Mehta "than the universe itself" is that the observable? ;-)
Thanks Summer, Rick is proud
I never thought the photometer would be able to detect this so accurately, I thought that it would be interfered with with all types of stray space signals and everything but it works perfectly
FINALLY. Something actually rooted in science
Obviously a new death star weapon being developed by the empire.
Yeah, and we want to make contact.
Is it just me or does that sound like a really bad idea?
Maybe this time they'll cover the exhaust ports. I'm not holding out much hope though...
@@Snoogen11 Nah. When you develop the most powerful weapon in the galaxy you always would want to also build in an easy way to destroy it. LoL!
Maybe Disney can kill it just like the franchise?
Would it be helpful to have the Webb telescope train its sights on the star for a while?
Her remarks at the end of the video about citizen astronomers put a smile on my face, as no one astronomer is less worthy than another; irregardless of credentials - because anyone can make an observation and anyone can hypothesize a theory.
Alex Carreon irregardless is not a word
Yes! I believe technology, meaning... easy to use/learn, affordable, cutting-edge at home technology is the future method in which experts in various fields will be made. Already this is happening! Our society is the problem though! Experts are only recognized as true professionals if they have one, or multiple very expensive pieces of paper! I don't think technical colleges, and internships will ever go away. Airline pilots, lawyers, judges, doctors, dentists, surgeons, etc... All professions that require hands on training, and is regulated by government agencies to keep us all safe; will always fully require a certification from an accredited school/corporation.
REGARDLESS* 🙄
The fact that the main mission had to move on and they had to rely on data from backyard astronomers is a vindication of the unsung scientists.
Regardless
I really appreciate that this star was found by amateurs.
This is the sort of thing that I'd kinda like to hear a follow up on, but never expect to.
What is an “amateur”?
@Super Fan
generally, those that do things for fun rather than add a profession.
I watched this video 6 years ago and don't remember it.
8:52 that was awkward 😅
Lol yeaa
I laughed, then realised nobody else did. It was awkward for me too
I felt sad for her
Her mind is as clear as crystal. She knew each and every thing she was saying, even though i am a not a native english speaker, i understood her words very easily and clearly. I envy her🥺
I think I may have an answer to this problem.
Imagine a system with three or four Jupiter sized planets. During their orbits there will be times when they align and as a result, the outermost will be over time, pulled inward toward its star.
The orbit of this outermost Jupiter becomes increasingly elliptical and in the process, it disturbs the orbits of the other Jupiters.
Eventually the orbit of the outermost Jupiter becomes highly elliptical where it plunges towards its star, passing very close, then speeds away. If the angle of its ellipse is just right from the view point of the Earth, we see the planet plunging toward its star followed by it speeding away behind its star. This orbit would match up with the long, slow period where the light from the sun is being slowly dimmed as the Jupiter plunges toward its star. At maximum star dimness, this Jupiter may be within the equivalent orbit of Mercury, which would explain the 20% drop in light. It then speeds away from its star, passing behind it from Earth's point of view, which results in the sudden increase in luminosity.
As far as the double dip in the data, followed by another dip, that can be explained by the outermost Jupiter towing the inner Jupiters into highly elliptical orbits, so that the closest passing Jupiter is rapidly preceded or followed by a second one, then more slowly followed by a third.
We should be able to prove this hypothesis via super computer, or by continued observation of the star when this behaviour begins to repeat. We could also see a very pronounced wobble produced by the gravitational tug of the planets as they speed by in their elliptical orbit.
In this case, you can create models to recreate the orbits that would have resulted in this phenomenon and then accurately predict the next time any number of orbit related events should occur. I think what she was trying to say was that they exhausted all of the possibilities in naturally occurring phenomenon because of the behavior of the object.
hooked4lifeca the final conclusion was it’s just a massive gas cloud.. 🤷🏻♂️
here is another scientist trying to figure this out. man you have to understand something that it is really important to have the right tool to solve the mystery of the universe and right now you don't have that kind of tool. it is like a doctor cannot do surgery without having a surgical tool.so instead of solving the mystery, you need to make an invention that allows you to see behind the star as the star is right in front of you. by the way amen to that.
@Tabatha Tuszynski you are right. my comment was kind of toxic that I posted four years ago. 1st step is always very important even if it is a small step.
they will have to rename it hooked4lifeca 1 if you are correct !
I'm thrilled you gave this Ted talk. I've participated in various Zooniverse research efforts since my time in college Astronomy class. I hadn't heard any follow ups until this. Awesome. Thanks.
Observation 1 . There is an unimaginable actual tangible distance between us and this star with countless objects ,smaller than the resolution and sampling in the analogue /digital optical lens processor of Kepler. The aggregate of these objects can eventually create random clean and noisy transition signatures.
Observation 2 . Remember that we are looking at a tiny, less than a fraction of space , and so this pattern will be repeated else where just by statistical calculation .
Observation 3 : Large bodies orbiting other stars can create transition shadows as Kepler can not digitally distinguish the x.y,z axis profile of that space block at that distance using 'one axis 'of reference and relative observation. Even with Kepler orbit, this reference positioning for data acquisition needs to be extended by distance factor of x100 in all x,y,z planes to get more accurate data.
Although its good to recognise a pattern its impossible to link any assumptions of Alien existence at this stage. We observe an anomaly to the 'typical' we can say.
Is it possible that multiple planets crossed the field of vision at that particular time?
Multiple planets could cause the asymmetric dip.
That's more likely than aliens.
Way too big and way too irregular.
@Umanfly Yeah, or space dust, an asteroid field, a part of a comet, Joy Behar, anything could obstruct the view.
If multiple planets were involved to don’t think it would be repeatable.
@@revan3841 Like brown dwarfs in a highly elliptical orbit? Like the one that has been hypothesized to orbit outside of our heliosphere?
She's not saying Aliens but... Aliens.
It's never aliens. It just might be aliens though.
+Mark William eh, she did say Alien Megastructures and Aliens
+Mark William The A word
+Grizz Frank Dude. Pour yourself a glass of water. Is the surface (away from the edges of the glass) perfectly flat? I think you would find that it is. Blow on the water. It ripples, but does the average height of the water remain the same? It does. Try these things with a pail of water, then a tub. Do the properties remain the same? Look at a lake. Again, the surface, on average, is completely level. So why do ships on the ocean vanish over the horizon? They are still perfectly visible, yet they appear to be sinking down into the water. (All ships do this and this is easily verifiable if you are willing to spend a clear day at a port.) A flat earth would have flat water and you'd be able to see the ships until they were out of sight.
+Grizz Frank Um, no you can't do that. The ship actually appears to be sinking. As in, from the your position, the deck appears to lower into the water at a steady progression. Vanishing perspective is a linear phenomenon, mapped with straight lines. A straight line could not cause an object's position to move out of plane. Plus, on a clear day, you can totally see things up to 10 miles away.
We probably live in an alternate universe where those poor sods got selected to be terminated to make room for a new hyperspace express route.
And they probably didn't even bother reading the plans that had been on display for 50 years. Apathetic bloody planet. I have no sympathy at all.
+Cate Vogons! P.S Thanks for the poetry.
+shayne g And all the fish!
Now that's poetry. I can just hear the readers dropping like flies from the internal hemorrhaging you caused them. Just marvelous.
My left side suddenly went numb after reading the first line.. and I seem to be missing my spleen. Oh?! I din't know I had this much blood...
I think it’s the result of a stray solar system merging with this star’s system and causing multiple alignments from our perspective. With the second star appearing from behind KIC and the stray planets merging orbits in some binary system sort of way. Some planets collide with others, create debris, etc.
Per Wikipedia, in January 2021, a distant stellar-mass companion was reported, making Tabby's Star a binary stellar system.
I thought Tabetha Boyajian was the name of the star
Osiris I did too until I read your comment.
😂😂😂😂😂
Well, in a way you are correct. It is colloquially known as Tabby's Star.
hahahahha bruh i died
Osiris...dittos and kudos...
I find it funny that this video is very simple and easy to understand yet many people in the comment section seem to disagree.
I loved how she seemed to be defending the alien theory and leaning towards the end when bang she took the opposite route
@@JonatasAdoM Well it's kinda fun....
(And it gets her clicks ;) )
When is part 2 coming to us.
So nice !
regardless of aliens or not I think the best takeaway here is citizen science. Citizen science isn't restricted by religion, politics, or whatever. It would also be much more difficult to control or filter a thousand backyard scientists rather than just a few recognized scientific establishments. The possibilities could be endless as technology brings more ability to the citizen scientist.
Well said dude
What if they are sending us a message using the light fluctuations...... 🤔
Good evening show I would like to see you are connected 2 more than you know and they will never understand the disagreeable they understand the 666 year it's up the whole solar system it's rotating and changing have you not notice how the Earth within 20 years have changed and the flickering of light that they see it is not something getting in the way it is your ancestors am I nice who are on their way here thank you
@@davidtyson6869 Proper use of punctuation in a sentence or paragraph is the key to convey a meaningful message.
Big brain time =-O
@@michaelkochalka3251 man, I thought I was just trippin fam. Lmfao
Morse code
I would really love to see an update on where thinking about this star is today. What new evidence is there and what is the current thinking?
That was Thor at Nidavellier 😂
"Dyson: we don't just do vacuum cleaners"
we do spheres
KGT UserCast actually, they are working on batteries and cars now too I believe. Who knows if they'll do spheres in the future too.
Crack up
this is good
It really is a advanced vacuum cleaner...
makes sense of why Stephen Hawking recently said 'don't make contact'.
I had her for a class. Great professor. Learned a lot in her class.
I spent over a thousand hours on this project and was happy to be able to contribute data
Ever notice how all the instruments looking for intelligent life are pointed AWAY from Earth.
"Ever notice how all the instruments looking for planets are pointed AWAY from Earth."
Wow, you are really witty!
on earth we can talk and listen, you may need a hearing aid...
@@jerryslater3447 do they also make "Thinking Aides"? Because I'm pretty sure you missed the joke.
That's so cool. And I would point out that we also point our microscopes inward looking for intelligent life too.
Whatever this is........it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
the "galaxy far far away" is the Milky Way, KIC 8462852 is located in the Milky Way
@@miasma529
I wasnt trying to be scientifically correct.
But you are correct.
@Furrowed Brow That was just a movie.
@@Insane3OB
Thats what they want you to think.
It was actually a documentary.
@Furrowed Brow I never made a Documentary it was Art.
If my Scan button on my car stereo can miss a station than a super computer can miss a signal.
This was my boyfriends professor last semester😭 Literally the most badass woman in existence and he didn’t even attend her office hours
KIC 8462852 is 1,480 light years away. *We are seeing what it looked like 1,480 years ago.*
I copied someone from 1,480 years ago?
No bro
Didnt they teach you science on school?
Fire Nation Files what? No bro 🤦♂️
No the expanse of space in the universe what means is that it is 3 times more distance
Again, turns out it was another moth. Just a moth.
Hahaha
The Bell Curve by Charles Murray.... read it.
We found the bug
Would you like to know more?
when you look at something far away with a binocular and a closer object is trespassing your sight very close to your binocular , you will see that the object or person is blocking a lot from your view sight making it to look huge and endless. What if these blocking sunlight cuts off are caused by some random (closer to us) huge asteroids tresspassing the sight of the telescope sensor ? Is it possible ?
Yeah but what would it be orbiting around? It can’t be our sun otherwise you would see similar fluctuations around other stars as well in that deep field. The trouble with that explanation is how periodic that dimming signal is. I also thought the same btw.
Exactly.
I would say it could be the planets that are orbiting that star might have a similar orbiting time cycle and align every few years thus making it appear like the graph the scientist are presenting.
Maybe, it requires extended period of observation to prove this..
But, just imagine even planets in our Solar system align every 1000 years in the same plane. If the star is young and the planetary system has just formed they may be circling the star faster and hence align more frequently.. Just a theory..
@@ashokkemp1793 hypothesis
P0o.
It's a spanner that fell off the Hubble telescope slowly spinning infront of the position in space when it looks at that star.
You're probably close. I think the best fit is an opaque interstellar dust cloud slowly drifting between us and that star.
The astronomer in me is so happy i clicked on this video
On god
If I lived in a sufficiently advanced society wishing to send a message across the galaxy I would use my local star to send a message. We can see the light from stars thousands of light years away. I would use a flotilla of satellites stretching Mylar like sheets broad enough to block star light alternately.
+Edward Owens still bounded by the speed of light and the delays therof
Deviantfulness
Of course. To communicate faster than the speed of light you might use quantum entanglement which is seemingly instantaneous. Problem with that is finding the right quanta being manipulated, figuring out how it is being manipulated, and then decoding it. Kind of like a quadrillion strings stretched for great distances and short distances and in no particular direction and plucking one or two and then finding the end of those particular strings. Unless an advanced society has figured out how to find quanta in the vicinity of another civilization or to listen in or eavesdrop on quanta from all over the universe.
We will probably be extinct before we get that smart.
So you are telling me we were getting a message in some type of giant star light Morse code, and right when communication was getting chatty Kepler stop and we will never get the message?
MrTreebeard420 I'm saying that would be one of the best ways to send a message a good distance across a galaxy. Star light travels thousands of light years. It wouldn't have to even be a coherent message no more than waving your arms and jumping up and down is anything more than calling attention to yourself when stranded on a desert island and you spot a ship. When you think about it planets are islands in the cosmos.
Also if you subscribe to the Rampaging Nano Bot Swarm Theory then then even if you had the technology to build a Dyson Sphere or more likely a ring, given the amount of material involved, is to invite attack. So even if you had the technology would you not use it for fear of drawing unwanted attention.
Another possibility is shepherding masses of large asteroids and dwarf planets into close proximity to each other to produce the effect of alternately dimming star light and draw attention that way.
Maybe it's a last ditch effort to draw attention to a dying world.
Thanks TED
Blows my mind!
It blows my mind that she made such a bad talk. Her thesis is incorrect. Her point is "computers can't find this" but of COURSE they can. The talk should have been about: who at NASA managed to write software that didn't find this signal.
Morty is messing around that star.
+moniker127 Nobody exist on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die.
I felt a great disturbance in the Forrce. As if millions of flat-earthers cried out in horror and we're suddenly silenced.
Harpo Django Rose good one...🤣🌎
Yes you were
Grammar and spelling. If you are going to go after flat earthers I recommend spelling skills.
Is earth flat?
Harpo,... You believe a human being can see something that is said to be 1,480 light years away? lmfao - that is absolutely ridiculous.
Great presenter, very well put!
Kepler just detects the planets lined up in the earth’s direction. Imagine how many planets there really are.
Hopefully the James Webb Space Telescope will give us more insight about this star in 2018.
Launch reported.
James space telescope will not measure flux
2020🤐
Did it?
Jacob - it's been delayed. JWST won't launch until 2021 now.
I know this will get lost in the comments but when I'm alone I like to go in my garden cover myself with dirt and pretend I'm a carrot....
Lol
Best comment
Yeah, yeah okay, and?
So what’s eating you , man ?
love it
I read that old photographic, astronomical plates taken in the last 100 years from the same area of the sky, including this star show gradual dimming of this star. That implies that if it's really an alien mega structure, the building of a Dyson Sphere is in progress for a long time!
Me encantó. Esa sinceridad a flor de piel. Mucha suerte en tu campo, y más aún con esta red de colaboradores...🪐🌏🌙🌠
“The Great Void”. It’s very eerie that the blocking of the stars light coincides with the time people are viewing it on earth.
“Someone or something” doesn’t want to be seen.
This is so cool
I really really enjoyed spending time in my evenings as a planet hunter. Thank you for putting it out there! ❤️
Last line given me goosebumps
Imagine a civilization so much more advanced than ours that they just might be able to solve their energy needs by a means a little more practical than a colossal super megastructure Dyson Sphere.
Those mf's look at us like we're a bunch of ants
Remember they exhausted their resources.
Zero point energy would make all of this obsolete
Yeah Ben, easy to imagine. Dyson was the first to imagine it. But she's really misinforming the audience to bring up the subject. The change in the spectrum shows it's dust. It's not a Dyson Sphere. Just a red herring.
Olaf stapledon invented the Dyson sphere. Even Dyson credited him.
It's not a star, its the blinking eye of a giant cosmic space hamster.
nailed it
+zerospin If it would be, we would see the same U shape dim. Just sayin'...
+Alexandru Gheorghe It just has a weird blink. Clearly it got something in its eye, proven by the erratic blinking toward the end of the data pool.
+zerospin thank you for making me spit my tea put while laughing!
Hihihi :-) so much fun!
Maybe what we are witnessing is not something orbiting that star, but something orbiting us. Now who's to say it is not.
great new idea!
It's amazing how with all the stuff out there that nobody knows anything about but we have found the most mysterious star.
Now we know that this wasn't a Dyson sphere but it's still so freaking cool!
Is there a particular reason why they don't seem to be suspecting the star itself? They did consider whether it was young and surrounded by a cloud left over from formation, but aren't there a lot of possibilities like the star having recently ingested something large (planet scale or larger), and still roiling and irregular due to that? I'm no astrophysicist, and don't know if perhaps something like what I suggested might have a characteristic signature that is missing, but given the almost total lack of consideration of irregularities in the stars output itself (rather than output being blocked) makes me think that maybe there is some evidence that establishes fairly clearly that the star is regular enough that it couldn't be any oddity with the star, but must be something between it and our detector.
+Dustin Rodriguez this was my thought as well. I guarantee there is a "natural" reason for this data.
watch 6:30
They said they took all that into consideration
Bearded Bard Taking into account what we already know about stars is not sufficient to rule out things we don't know about stars. Before scientists start looking to more outlandish possibilities, they always consider what sort of thing COULD cause what they see. If they discovered an explanation of why it is definitely NOT something unknown about star behavior, they did not mention it.
"Outlandish possibilities" being the possibility of there being other intelligent life in the universe?
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I suppose I will worry about that more when they start censoring anti-flat-Earth content. Or perhaps when they take over government, media, and banking and create every problem worldwide--or even some problems. If they become a bunch of pseudointellectual tryhards afraid of debate like the typical college-goer, then I will be 100% in favor of going to war with them.
Until then, they remain mistaken, but relatively harmless.
I was going to say that too, If they are going to fake something they have to make up data so well it would be not seen as fakery from others.
As long as you mention the disk is supported on the backs of 4 giant elephants which stand atop the great A'Tuin you have covered all the bases then :)
lol at foil-hatters gone full Lizard- Earth's a toroid, wise-up!
americans be warned trump is most probably a flat earth idiot, he believes in conspiracy theories and ufo's are alien ships. lmfao.
Always stick with the most rational explanation. It's another star nearby messing with the light using it's gravitational field. And sometimes their astroids collide making dust clouds. They are now called KIC8462852A and KIC8462852B.
There's no such thing as Gravitational Field, even better Gravity is a myth
@@rayagoldendropofsun397 You can't even write 'gravity' correctly. 'Gravity' is a proper name, so who cares.
@@DexterHaven
Proper grammar is important, keep it up !
Is that all U got in defense of your beloved Gravity ?
@@rayagoldendropofsun397 You sound like an idiot and are stuck on stupid. You still can't spell it in lower case. And you are the one dodging your burden of proof, since you asserted that Gravity is a myth at the outset. On what grounds do you base that thesis, dummy?
@@rayagoldendropofsun397 look how disgustingly ad hominem and aggressive you are, typical for conspiracy theorists who have nothing to back up their feverdreams
There were multiple structures passing in front of the star that moved from sync to un-sync to sync
... Carl Sagan was paraphrasing Steven Weinberg - the originator of the quote: "Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary evidence".
Or was it David Hume, or Pierre-Simon de Laplace, or Marcello Truzzi...or does it matter? One has to be quite famous and well know and published to have famous quotes
A debris field of two collided celestial bodies (two large solid planets now shattered into pieces) in an elliptical shape trapped orbiting the star would create such a light diminishing pattern. As far as the time period. The closer the object is to the sun, the longer it blocks light. The further the object, the shorter the duration. I don't feel like doing the math to give exact times and sizes, but you get the idea, and using some calculations you could recreate the hypothetical cloud of debris. So, two planets collided and created a large debris field around what remains of their cores so that gravity keeps them and their debris dancing around each other in a tight elliptical orbit (think rings of Saturn on a massive debris scale and angled in such a way as to create this light pattern to observers here). Highly plausible considering there's a high probability of many rogue planets drifting between solar systems, ejected by larger bodies in their host systems to drift alone through space until a sun draws them in (an event that may have very well occurred in our own solar system to give our current planetary alignments to the sun). If aliens were sufficiently advanced to build a structure so large, they'd be more likely to build a Dyson sphere and you wouldn't see the star at all because they'd be absorbing most of it's energy.
Or its a GIANT planet being formed from an asteroid belt which would eliminate the dust issue. These scientists are rather dim today.
@@sliceofchee Also highly plausible. Not all scientists jump immediately to fantastic conclusions. However, far too often 'experts' allow imaginations to override logical deduction. Eventually however they backtrack (once someone states the obvious) and begin thinking like scientists again. So there's always hope lol
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@@ernerwerkhardt9789 No, ... " it's ". i.e. a contraction of " it is ".
@@2011Azure not that one, this one: "they'd be more likely to build a Dyson sphere and you wouldn't see the star at all because they'd be absorbing most of it's energy" Not "it's" but "its", the possessive form of it. The most common grammatical error in the English language. Made worse by autocorrect in all of today's smart phones, who will always autocorrect "its" with "it's".
If they just decode the signals they'll find a specific pattern which contains a message from them:
*We come in peace.*
Would something like this be how a planet being accepted into a new system would look like?
Sorry, no. Early in planet formation the star's surrounded by dust, and would be dim all the time, not bright mostly but sometimes super-dim. Later as the planet formed (which takes 100k-millions of years) it'd become denser and denser and more like a normal planet, just passing by very regularly every few years. This is actually just a dust cloud between us and the star, drifting along. Nothing special
This is one of the best TED talks I've heard in some time. :)
literally the worst I've ever heard. The entire talk is framed with the thesis that "computers can't find this signal" which is an absolute lie. The real question is why the software wasn't programmed to look for such a strong signal.
I love how they named a paper WTF XD
What if it's just one or more blackholes that are floating around in the "vicinity" and they are redirecting the light at a different angle for random periods of time?
Wouldn't you see a gravitational lense effect rather than just a dip in the light from the star?
I think you're half-right. It's probably just dust clouds floating between us and that star. Black holes absorb all energy equally, but this one is affecting different parts of the spectrum in exactly the way dust would. So, it's dust. We KNOW it's dust.
maybe a double star, or even triple star. of course the radiation from one star is blocked totally if it's behind the other; or it blocks the first star's light if it is in front of the other.
"Planets are circular"
Flatearthers TRIGGERED
Riddle me this. Mickey,
Why is it when I do a time lapse of stars the line I get from each and every star is the exact same length be them close or far away as if they are all in the same distance away?
When a closer star should have a longer trail than a far star would.
Yet my observation is always the same distance of trails.
When the further star away should have a visibly shorter star trail on a circular pattern, if you follow what I'm saying. Should it not?
call me a stick in the mud but why do people seem to mix "circular" with 3 Dimensional? I mean a flat circle is not at the peak of impossible things is it? Or is that not what you meant?
@@CMDAO Flatearther, triggered!!!
@@spruxo Lol typical reply. And here I was actually hoping you'd clarify your point so maybe it all finally makes sense. But I'll have to keep being a triggered flatearther instead I guess. Thanks for taking the time to give your 2 cents though. Definitely glad we got to have that intelligent discussion.
Okay, ill entertain you. I should've said spherical rather than circular. There ya go bud@@CMDAO
Don't remember where I heard this, but what if there is a civilization out there more advanced than us, by 20 minutes? -g-
+Jere616 whatever we think of, they would have thought of it 20 minutes earlier? that's scary...
Then they probably have the next iPhone
+jotoenatehaaen it sure is scary they even know what I did last summer
+kicsimoe Yes, but it was just a joke.
Brilliant!!!
"Alien hypothesizes should always be a last resort..." until the US Dept of Defense confirmed their existence in 2021. So much for that line of thinking.
have they ruled out an object blocking the light in a much much closer distance to us? Since then it wouldn't have to be anything as big in comparison
An object large enough like this would have already been detected and would cause giant anomalies
could you elaborate?
It might be, but that alone doesn't account for the irregular (non-'u'-shaped transitions) they observed - which is the crux of the problem.
since then size can be smaller, probability for objects not being round is higher, which easier fits the shape required to make the dents in the graph.
I'm not saying that is the case here, just trying to wrap my head around the video I randomly stumbled upon, and looking forward to hearing of someone knowing the space basics telling me why that can't be
"Earth is 11 times smaller than Jupiter." This sounded off to me, but she means by diameter not by volume, which is where most people's minds go to. By volume, Earth is actually 1300 times smaller.
@Android Galaxy I wish that if people claim to be an authority, they got their facts straight before posting.
Nascent.That is where we are in the speculative knowledge department.Although the minds of humans have led to discoveries and inventions,( The automobile, planes, rockets, satellites,) and an expanded understanding of technology,( computers, digital realm, etc., ) our intelligence is embryonic in the grand scheme of things. But curiosity and passion drives us forward...
10:11 How and where would they find all the materials and energies needed to construct such a thing when they just happen to have no ressource and energy left for themself?
just as we are able to build nuclear power plants which give us more energy before using the last bit of our current energy reserves, they could easily have applied the same principal to get energy from their sun. Nobody is that stupid as to deplete all resources without ensuring more will come.