These Tactical Marines and how versatile they could be really remind me how much better it would be if Primaris were just a model range refresh rather than Aspect Marines....
@@nakenmil "Hey we have too many units that do the same thing in the codex and too many marine boxes as stock keeping units, what should we do?" "Let's make a squad with all flamethrowers now."
Oh yeah. This is what I'm about. As much as I appreciate how much detail and artistry goes into modern GW sculpts, I really like the look of 2nd/3rd ed minis where they are as much game pieces as they are sculptures, and made with that emphasis on silhouettes that looked at home on a power metal album. I miss the banners. My first ever kit that I bought was a Tactical Squad, on the recommendation of a GW store employee. I was interested in Marines, and the guy pointed out that it's a universally useful unit due to being a 10-man kit with a good heavy weapon that works as anti-tank or anti-infantry, and a special weapon that is almost always useful.
I came back to the hobby 2 years ago and have a lot of first born. I made my first five Primaris marines ready and the Sergeant has a banner, every thing else is heresy! ;)
As someone of a similar vintage, I’ve been really enjoying your videos. It really takes me back to my youth, a simpler time without responsibilities. Back then I collected Eldar and boy do I regret getting rid of them!
@@keiosthat’s very true. They aged really well too. Though I miss the old War Walkers, Dreadnoughts and the classic Avatar which came on a square base. There is something charming about the old metal miniatures.
I bought the Dark Angels Tactical Squad in 1995. My friend got the Blood Angels Death Company. And i am 99% sure that i had at least one beaky-marine in my box, even though there is none on the box art.
Combat squads were a god send to child me, i never received pocket money so I'd often save up change from school lunch money to buy the occasional combat squad. I also miss those blister boxes, i don't know what it was but those metal models have so much character and charm to them
Wonderful video, there’s nothing more nostalgic for me than putting down terribly painted 3rd Edition Dark Angels on a green felt mat to play. It was a simpler time.
I keep the banner tradition alive with my primaris marines. The Sergeant will always have a banner! It just looks cool and it helps to see what they are from far away, helps with Apocalypse games
In response to your query on knives, I must admit they cause me more consternation than perhaps they ought. I know in the wargear book it discusses how all combatants (and indeed most non-combatants) are considered to carry at least a knife, but I don’t believe this is backed up by the profiles now how people played in 2nd. It only got worse in later editions, with the proud tactical marine’s knife continuing to be overlooked. I really feel the tactical marine’s load out should have been boltgun and knife, with a possibility of a bolt pistol. This would have much better aligned with the models and lore. I know many would consider the additional close combat weapon to be overpowered (especially in 3rd where a chainsword is no better than a knife), but come one! These are the emperor’s finest!
If you remember, CSM in the glorious 3.5ed dex had the option to be armed with boltpistol, chainsword AND/OR boltgun. This did not break the game, it just allowed CSM to field true all-rounders. You could save points be fielding either/or. but having both allowed them to perform decently as they advanced to combat, or made charging them a riskier proposition. It felt very marine-ey!
Those Marine masters got so much use. Not only are they used for the metal and plastic Tactical Marines for 2nd Ed, but they were clearly the basis for most of the 2nd ed Chaos Marine sculpts as well.
The humble tactical marines, how i miss their simple aesthetic. My favorite metals of the time were the Blood Angels death company. I myself am looking for the classic Deathwing so I can make the original space hulk squad. Thanks for the vid.
I desperately want those “Space Marines, Warriors of the imperium”. I love their poses, I love that they look like the metal marines, but are just plastic. They’re my dream marines.
My favorite unit ever. When they finally go I will be sad. I love having one squad that can possibly specialize itself or be more general, and that is the opposite of where marines eventually have ended up
I much prefer the older names for spacemarine squads, tactical squads being adaptable and "tactical" on the battlefield, scouts being scouts, devastators devastating the battlefield, Land Raiders raiding the land, and Land Speeders speeding across the land 😉 etc I really can't get my head around the primaris names, what's the role of intercessors? To intercede on the battlefield? What does that even mean?
Random, but my favorite blister pack memory: In 2nd Ed, I was playing a friend at a local gaming store. My Imperial Guard vs his Marines. He used to write his army lists at the store, so it wasn’t until we were both there that he realized he would need to play 50pts or so either short or over due to what he brought. I’d been wanting an extra command squad anyways, so I bought a Tallarn officer blister, a Tallarn special weapons blister, and a regular Tallarn blister. They were all one-piece metals, and if the metal tabs weren’t thick enough to stay snug in the slottabase, you could use pliers, snips (without snipping), or a table edge to bend the tab to make it fit snug. IE, no need for clippers or glue to assemble them. Just popped them out of the blister, table edge to bend tabs as needed, and I had an unpainted squad ready to go. I’ll always find one-piece and few-piece metals superior to the modern plastic kits. As much as I love the current Bloodletter kit, 8 parts per model is just soul killing (the new Mechanicum thralls at 12-ish parts each are even worse!).
I'm getting flashbacks to the bashed up polystyrene slide out tray that inevitably got made into terrible terrain shortly afterwards. Those were the days indeed.
Greetings and Salutations! Always a pleasure to get another blast from the past. Or the present, as I am still building and painting this generation of Space Marines. I had the Strike Force and the Devastators, probably the first metal/plastic hybrids; also the Blood Angels, Ultramarines and the Blood Claws plus quite a few blister packs. Thank you and all the best, Billi.
Love your videos. I’m a 2nd ed veteran too. I’ve recently bought the 1990s blood bowl, the sculpts are far more characterful and the lore far more entertaining
I'm just finishing painting my noise marines. The video came out just in time. While I'm waiting for the paint to dry, I'm watching the video and filled with nostalgia. Speaking of nostalgia; not long ago I dug up some photos of vintage all-metal noise marines (1996). And only after seeing them in that old rocker style did I finally realize that the three versions of the Noise Marine's outfit are a kind of imitation of a rock band's lineup. Like, a bass player (Blastmaster), a guitarist (Sonic Blaster), and a vocalist (Doom Siren). Now I have to live with this... And wait for more chaos paintings on the channel. If it's the will of the Dark Gods, we'll see Noise Marines too.
Since finding your channel, I think i know what I will be doing now. I was looking at 10th edition and getting back into that, but I think i will start to slowly collect the 2nd edition stuff and take my time to paint them. Maybe one day find something to play with. lol.
@@Miniscape-wh40k I moved to an acreage near a new city, so I got no friends and lots to do out here, lol. I got no time to paint or build models, so this would be a good way to do a indoor hobby when it is winter out and have cool classic model.
I love these videos. I’m in my late 50s and also have a lot of these classic minis,funnily enough in imperial fists and emperors children armies.good job once again and the songs at the end always get a chuckle from me.
13:55 yes ultramarine 5 man squads could be lead by a Sargeant with terminator armour. It was legal and I even played it in the shop. With the rule of closest target I used to send him out front to absorb all the fire for his brother marines. The reason in lore is a sad tale because the first company got wiped out completely by the tyranids they had spare terminator armour.
Could combat squads be lead by terminator sergeants too? Seems like a good way to increase the terminator density of your army while including some specials and/or heavies
That song was your best work yet 🤣🤣🤣 fantastic paintjob too mate. I’ve got a 2nd edition marine in the post who will be getting the Imperial Fists treatment, and this video may have convinced me to pick up a tactical squad for the first time in… 15 years? Before GW gets a chance to discontinue them…
By His angels, we are saved! I am elated to see, kind sir, you have turned aside from the ruinous path and no longer tamper with the dilution of Contrast paints. Praise the Emperor! May you hold fast and not stray from the light. P.S. another exquisite song, maestro. Bravo!
You know, you're right. I still have my rulebooks, and the models. I just need more people willing to give the older editions a go. A lot of people I play with treat each "update" as if it means the very latest edition is the definitive version, yet I can show them a "Pivot Movement Table" that shows that that isn't the case. Mind you if I'm being very truthful, I'd love to take 9th, worm out the psychic phase, put the BS skill on the weapon profiles, reconstruct the current "out of twenty" strength/toughness system, and see how that makes the game look with some tweaking.
I find these older marines to be so much more interesting to look then the primaries. Maybe its due to nostalgia or that the older sculpts have so much more variety to them.
I actually just bought a tactical squad job lot form eBay recently. It's a mix of firstborn sculpts from the 90s and 2000s. One of which is the 2nd edition rocket launcher marine with the detonator in his left hand. Most of the guns are in incorrect positions, there's thick paint and super glue all over that is obscuring detail, and mold lines are still visible. I hope to restore them to their former glory and use them in games of 10th with my friend as blood angels. Let's hope the IPA bath they'll eventually receive is kind.
That was my very first Warhammer squad. Painted them up as Dark Angels. My last Warhammer army was painted as Dark Angels too, in a similar scheme to my childhood. I do believe the box was "standard" - I can't remember having beakies or Errant Armor in my squad.
Ive been having bad thoughts about stripping my 500 pts of retro style primaris ultramarines and make them imperial fists thank you for making me continue to have bad thoughts
For the anecdote of the tactical marine outsold all of warhammer fantasy battle from conversations I have had with people who ran GW stores not only was that true, but also that rattle can chaos black oursold all of WFB before the launch of AoS.
You can definitely do some cheeky things with a veteran sergeant upgrade for a squad, given they get access to the equipment list to equip them appropriately for the squad. Doesn't even need to use wargear cards, just pick up that flamer/melta/plasma gun. Same goes for techmarines as another character that could us a decent gun now and again. Or a jump pack maybe. Still, less cheeky than Rogue Trader and its space marine characters commonly armed with heavy weapons, seen even in a white dwarf battle report if I remember right.
Dear God, I've bought so many tactical squads over the years- so many different chapters, so many variations... I don't even want to think about just how much money I've spent on this plastic crack since 1993. Oh, and with the combat knives? I tended to use them as bayonets for the bolters with a bit of strategic trimming. The sheer nostalgia of seeing your work on these beautiful miniatures is realling helping me get through these hard times I find myself in. Though I'm currently working on a custom Primaris chapter, my side project is collecting 1st edition beakies and vehicles, and eventually paint them as Dark Angels from the Piscina 4 campaign.
The tactical marines were the best selling. Only due to the 3 sets shown plus including the 2nd ed starter box. Considering how long second was around for its not surprising.
Personally for my yellow, I like to use wraith one (any bleached honey color), followed with a dry brush of a bright pink color, and then using either Iyanden Yellow or Imperial Fist yellow. The pink helps with near instant highlights.
The colour of those Imperial Fists reminds me of that vivid sunny yellow from my childhood found on popular ice lollies. I'm pretty sure GW had a plan to sell every customer a tactical squad, even if they played fantasy battle. This was probably after the sluggish mail order trolls were replaced with efficient retail servitors, not sure they could tell the game systems apart, just identified the word warhammer and selected tactical squad. With the success of retail servitors, ineffectual design team members were replaced with servitors too, their obsession with tactical squads manfested with the Horus Heresy game, tactical squads vs tactical squads, the perfect servitor game solution. And so the servitors took over and rebranded games workshop with the only logical name .. Warhammer.
@@Miniscape-wh40k If you spill a pot of contrast yellow, it probably has the appearance of a melted lolly. Pretty yellow but potentially traumatic to those who were clumsy children, forever dropping lollies.
If nothing else, even if in modern 40K GW finally consigns the Tactical Squad to Legends, these old models can still be broken up into their component parts and subbed in for Primaris squads. Bolter boys go to the Intercessors. Sergeants team up as Assault Intercessors on foot. Special and Heavy weapon squads get teamed up together to form various units (so long as they all have the same loadout). I think we can all agree that a bunch of classic Rocket Launcher marines look better than a Desolation Squad. They actually look like they're hauling real weapons, instead of Nerf toys. Never let anyone tell you the old marines need to be retired, just because GW allowed its greed to drive it to madness.
Former MO troll here and retail muppet. From memory there was no variation in the tactical marine armour, they were all MKVII. If you wanted MKVI or MKVIII then you needed to buy the blister packs.
Memories. My first 40K purchase was when I was about 11. My folks were so-so on the matter considering how "graphic" some of the art was, and how expensive this plastic crack always has been, but they generally let me do what I wanted to do with my allowance. First purchase was the OG Space Wolf Blood Claw team - which I butchered with my amazing, non-existent painting skills. I would become a Smurf-lover later on in my hobby journey, but I'll always remember how cool the Wolves looked on that box
idk why while watching this video i had the sudden idea of "deprimarisize" the new units, adapt 2e space marines to suppressors or inceptor squads. maybe someone already did
2nd edition is where WH40k peaked for me. The range of miniatures and the Dark Millenium rules all hung together really well. Even the Ork clans worked well together, and made for some fantastic battles. I haven't been able to get back into it since, despite several attempts.
Hi Miniscapes... the original mk7 armour marines came in a boxed set in the late 80' early 90's using those funky bolters with butt stock. There was a couple of poses blisters brought out the "walking body in two pieces torso and legs for better pose-ability.. there was an un helmeted marine.. have a look at the sole of the boots.. the really early mk7 ones had a boot tread pattern moulded into them.
Those Marines look fantastic! Well done. I dig them. I also like the Tactical Marine song. I think I'll sing it on Kareoke night at the bowling ally next week. 😂❤👍
I wish GW had a permanent facility to just press off any number of old minis on a made to order basis. You order what individual minis you want from the website, with a catalogue going back to the early 90s, and it might take a couple of weeks or whatever to make and send. But much better than trying to scour eBay for what you want. They clearly have the moulds for lots of old minis, they just need to set something up that can receive these and pump out an old mini on demand. I’m sure it’s possible! Might cost a bit to set up but I’m sure it’ll payback over a year. I’d love it! It’d be like the old school mail order days, flicking through a citadel catalogue picking which minis you want.
I recently acquired a bunch of Marine bits from a friend and discovered that the Primaris Incursor hands and bolters are roughly the same size as the 2nd ed Marine hands and bolters, particularly the ones with both hands holding the weapon. Though not the same as the classic bolter, with some slight modifications to the wrist joints they make suitable substitutes if one is missing a bunch of bolters for the monopose marines. This could work if one is building an Iron Hands army, or are adding a couple of veteran squads to their existing army from another chapter.
Don't think I ever bought a tactical squad but I did own the 2nd ed box which came with 2 flamer/missile launcher tactical squads. I also remember buying a 3rd edition 5 man all plastic box but they were just regular boltgun marines, I was a broke teen trying to pay for the hobby through paper round money so not that bad for a fiver!
Nothing will ever be more quintessentially 40k than a classic Tactical Squad.
And a Brit Fella Painting it
@@franciscoambrosio6311that!
@@franciscoambrosio6311and American kids like me being fascinated by it.
These Tactical Marines and how versatile they could be really remind me how much better it would be if Primaris were just a model range refresh rather than Aspect Marines....
Big agree
The Aspect Marine design logic just fucking boggles the mind.
@@nakenmil "Hey we have too many units that do the same thing in the codex and too many marine boxes as stock keeping units, what should we do?"
"Let's make a squad with all flamethrowers now."
hence why lore wise my custom chapter runs their primaris the same as their first born squads
Fully agree. The Primaris are somehow a downgrade to the classic Marines.
Oh yeah. This is what I'm about. As much as I appreciate how much detail and artistry goes into modern GW sculpts, I really like the look of 2nd/3rd ed minis where they are as much game pieces as they are sculptures, and made with that emphasis on silhouettes that looked at home on a power metal album. I miss the banners. My first ever kit that I bought was a Tactical Squad, on the recommendation of a GW store employee. I was interested in Marines, and the guy pointed out that it's a universally useful unit due to being a 10-man kit with a good heavy weapon that works as anti-tank or anti-infantry, and a special weapon that is almost always useful.
I came back to the hobby 2 years ago and have a lot of first born. I made my first five Primaris marines ready and the Sergeant has a banner, every thing else is heresy! ;)
Not now babe, Miniscape just uploaded.
Who's "Babe"?
@@darvinzoinks9336 in the grim dark future of 40k players, there are no babes, only dudes
The Babe with the power.@@darvinzoinks9336
The babe with the power.@@darvinzoinks9336
The Babe with the power?!
As someone of a similar vintage, I’ve been really enjoying your videos. It really takes me back to my youth, a simpler time without responsibilities.
Back then I collected Eldar and boy do I regret getting rid of them!
Yeah I know the feeling. Thanks buddy.
The good thing about being an old-school Eldar player is that most of those models are still available from GW because they've never been refreshed!
@@keiosthat’s very true. They aged really well too. Though I miss the old War Walkers, Dreadnoughts and the classic Avatar which came on a square base. There is something charming about the old metal miniatures.
Back in 2005 or 2006 that squad was my very first Warhammer purchase. Still got em, still love em. Great vid
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I travelled back in to the early 90's seeing this...
Not many people know this but they’re called tactical squads because they were discovered by Arkhan Tactical.
"Get off my garden!" lol! loved that sergeant. My memories fuzzy of it these days but I had this box and recall getting random metals for the scrubs.
I bought the Dark Angels Tactical Squad in 1995. My friend got the Blood Angels Death Company. And i am 99% sure that i had at least one beaky-marine in my box, even though there is none on the box art.
Combat squads were a god send to child me, i never received pocket money so I'd often save up change from school lunch money to buy the occasional combat squad.
I also miss those blister boxes, i don't know what it was but those metal models have so much character and charm to them
Wonderful video, there’s nothing more nostalgic for me than putting down terribly painted 3rd Edition Dark Angels on a green felt mat to play.
It was a simpler time.
Thank you 😊
I keep the banner tradition alive with my primaris marines. The Sergeant will always have a banner!
It just looks cool and it helps to see what they are from far away, helps with Apocalypse games
In response to your query on knives, I must admit they cause me more consternation than perhaps they ought.
I know in the wargear book it discusses how all combatants (and indeed most non-combatants) are considered to carry at least a knife, but I don’t believe this is backed up by the profiles now how people played in 2nd.
It only got worse in later editions, with the proud tactical marine’s knife continuing to be overlooked.
I really feel the tactical marine’s load out should have been boltgun and knife, with a possibility of a bolt pistol. This would have much better aligned with the models and lore.
I know many would consider the additional close combat weapon to be overpowered (especially in 3rd where a chainsword is no better than a knife), but come one! These are the emperor’s finest!
If you remember, CSM in the glorious 3.5ed dex had the option to be armed with boltpistol, chainsword AND/OR boltgun.
This did not break the game, it just allowed CSM to field true all-rounders. You could save points be fielding either/or. but having both allowed them to perform decently as they advanced to combat, or made charging them a riskier proposition.
It felt very marine-ey!
Those Marine masters got so much use. Not only are they used for the metal and plastic Tactical Marines for 2nd Ed, but they were clearly the basis for most of the 2nd ed Chaos Marine sculpts as well.
The humble tactical marines, how i miss their simple aesthetic. My favorite metals of the time were the Blood Angels death company. I myself am looking for the classic Deathwing so I can make the original space hulk squad. Thanks for the vid.
I desperately want those “Space Marines, Warriors of the imperium”.
I love their poses, I love that they look like the metal marines, but are just plastic.
They’re my dream marines.
My favorite unit ever. When they finally go I will be sad. I love having one squad that can possibly specialize itself or be more general, and that is the opposite of where marines eventually have ended up
I much prefer the older names for spacemarine squads, tactical squads being adaptable and "tactical" on the battlefield, scouts being scouts, devastators devastating the battlefield, Land Raiders raiding the land, and Land Speeders speeding across the land 😉 etc
I really can't get my head around the primaris names, what's the role of intercessors? To intercede on the battlefield? What does that even mean?
I wholeheartedly agree
100% agree. It was clear and easy to understand.
Bike squad eh? Huh, wonder whats in that
@@anthonyshannon7559 not sure, must be the squad led by Arhkan Bike
Hate every aspect of primaris marines...
Wow. In 2001 this was my first purchase. I was so happy to be introduced to miniatures back then when it was alot less common
Random, but my favorite blister pack memory:
In 2nd Ed, I was playing a friend at a local gaming store. My Imperial Guard vs his Marines. He used to write his army lists at the store, so it wasn’t until we were both there that he realized he would need to play 50pts or so either short or over due to what he brought.
I’d been wanting an extra command squad anyways, so I bought a Tallarn officer blister, a Tallarn special weapons blister, and a regular Tallarn blister.
They were all one-piece metals, and if the metal tabs weren’t thick enough to stay snug in the slottabase, you could use pliers, snips (without snipping), or a table edge to bend the tab to make it fit snug.
IE, no need for clippers or glue to assemble them. Just popped them out of the blister, table edge to bend tabs as needed, and I had an unpainted squad ready to go.
I’ll always find one-piece and few-piece metals superior to the modern plastic kits. As much as I love the current Bloodletter kit, 8 parts per model is just soul killing (the new Mechanicum thralls at 12-ish parts each are even worse!).
The old plastic tactical squad was probably in my top 5 fave kits
I used to use fresh kitty litter on the bases I made back in the day. It was available, and it gave a nice rocky look to the base.
Great idea
took me straight back to the 90s. Ahhh, simpler times yet even adjusted for inflation still bloody expensive 😂
I'm getting flashbacks to the bashed up polystyrene slide out tray that inevitably got made into terrible terrain shortly afterwards.
Those were the days indeed.
Greetings and Salutations! Always a pleasure to get another blast from the past. Or the present, as I am still building and painting this generation of Space Marines. I had the Strike Force and the Devastators, probably the first metal/plastic hybrids; also the Blood Angels, Ultramarines and the Blood Claws plus quite a few blister packs. Thank you and all the best, Billi.
Love the ever reliable Tactical Sqwad, the backbone of any 40k Astartes army ! ! !
So many tactics within that squad. The Sergeant has that calculator to work out the odds of their tactics paying off.
He does 😂
Oh god no, the nostalgia!!!
I was watching this video in bed and my wife said “are you watching toys?”. I thoroughly enjoyed this one, Matthew. I thoroughly enjoy them all.
Thank you sir. I am glad you do.
Love your videos. I’m a 2nd ed veteran too. I’ve recently bought the 1990s blood bowl, the sculpts are far more characterful and the lore far more entertaining
I'm just finishing painting my noise marines. The video came out just in time. While I'm waiting for the paint to dry, I'm watching the video and filled with nostalgia.
Speaking of nostalgia; not long ago I dug up some photos of vintage all-metal noise marines (1996). And only after seeing them in that old rocker style did I finally realize that the three versions of the Noise Marine's outfit are a kind of imitation of a rock band's lineup. Like, a bass player (Blastmaster), a guitarist (Sonic Blaster), and a vocalist (Doom Siren). Now I have to live with this... And wait for more chaos paintings on the channel. If it's the will of the Dark Gods, we'll see Noise Marines too.
I never noticed that. Awesome.
Since finding your channel, I think i know what I will be doing now. I was looking at 10th edition and getting back into that, but I think i will start to slowly collect the 2nd edition stuff and take my time to paint them. Maybe one day find something to play with. lol.
Good plan. I find 10th joyless. Maybe you and a friend could try some older rules or one page rules.
@@Miniscape-wh40k I moved to an acreage near a new city, so I got no friends and lots to do out here, lol. I got no time to paint or build models, so this would be a good way to do a indoor hobby when it is winter out and have cool classic model.
I'll leave a like and watch this later. Thanks, Matthew. This will make my thursday a little easier.
Thank you for the like
I love these videos. I’m in my late 50s and also have a lot of these classic minis,funnily enough in imperial fists and emperors children armies.good job once again and the songs at the end always get a chuckle from me.
Glad you like them!
13:55 yes ultramarine 5 man squads could be lead by a Sargeant with terminator armour. It was legal and I even played it in the shop. With the rule of closest target I used to send him out front to absorb all the fire for his brother marines. The reason in lore is a sad tale because the first company got wiped out completely by the tyranids they had spare terminator armour.
Could combat squads be lead by terminator sergeants too? Seems like a good way to increase the terminator density of your army while including some specials and/or heavies
"Taking what's battered, and restoring it to Glory"
Miniscape, I think you might be the Emperor of Mankind. Leading the Great Second Edition Crusade.
I try my best
A beautiful tale told well.
Thank you so much
What a jam. A song and video worthy of the raw unbridled awesomeness that is the tactical squad.
That song was your best work yet 🤣🤣🤣 fantastic paintjob too mate. I’ve got a 2nd edition marine in the post who will be getting the Imperial Fists treatment, and this video may have convinced me to pick up a tactical squad for the first time in… 15 years? Before GW gets a chance to discontinue them…
Those one piece special weapons sculpts are truly a thing of beauty!
They really are
By His angels, we are saved! I am elated to see, kind sir, you have turned aside from the ruinous path and no longer tamper with the dilution of Contrast paints. Praise the Emperor! May you hold fast and not stray from the light.
P.S. another exquisite song, maestro. Bravo!
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I WAS THERE GANDALF
*_Three thousand years ago..._*
Warhammer dies when Tactical Marines go away. And given how 10th is being handled, that could be as soon as next year...
Warhammer is never dead as long as we keep playing it. And we can play any edition we like.
You know, you're right. I still have my rulebooks, and the models. I just need more people willing to give the older editions a go.
A lot of people I play with treat each "update" as if it means the very latest edition is the definitive version, yet I can show them a "Pivot Movement Table" that shows that that isn't the case.
Mind you if I'm being very truthful, I'd love to take 9th, worm out the psychic phase, put the BS skill on the weapon profiles, reconstruct the current "out of twenty" strength/toughness system, and see how that makes the game look with some tweaking.
@@DeathInTheSnow that's the real snag, getting the folks to play
You don't know how wholesome your content is mate, you're right up there with Attenborough in my book.
Aw, so kind
another banger.
Thank you mate
Was about to go to bed because I got a very early morning ahead of me. Guess I'm staying up for another 31 minutes.
Guess you are 😅
These are awesome! I was transported back to my childhood for a while there
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nostalgia hitting hard on this one. reminding me of my plague marines from late 90s early 2000s. great vid
Great minis and great painting! Nothing can destroy the metal!
I find these older marines to be so much more interesting to look then the primaries. Maybe its due to nostalgia or that the older sculpts have so much more variety to them.
I know what you mean
"Old man yells at cloud" amazing video as always brother ❤️
Thanks 😊
I actually just bought a tactical squad job lot form eBay recently. It's a mix of firstborn sculpts from the 90s and 2000s. One of which is the 2nd edition rocket launcher marine with the detonator in his left hand. Most of the guns are in incorrect positions, there's thick paint and super glue all over that is obscuring detail, and mold lines are still visible. I hope to restore them to their former glory and use them in games of 10th with my friend as blood angels. Let's hope the IPA bath they'll eventually receive is kind.
That was my very first Warhammer squad. Painted them up as Dark Angels. My last Warhammer army was painted as Dark Angels too, in a similar scheme to my childhood.
I do believe the box was "standard" - I can't remember having beakies or Errant Armor in my squad.
Ive been having bad thoughts about stripping my 500 pts of retro style primaris ultramarines and make them imperial fists thank you for making me continue to have bad thoughts
Maybe you could acquire some more and paint them imperial fists. Sorry.
And here I had a bad day, but at least it ends with another enjoyable video.
Thanks ;)
Hope the video helped
@@Miniscape-wh40k Indeed 😊
Miniscape video. A video of Miniscape.
For the anecdote of the tactical marine outsold all of warhammer fantasy battle from conversations I have had with people who ran GW stores not only was that true, but also that rattle can chaos black oursold all of WFB before the launch of AoS.
Thank you for that information
Another great vid. Loved the song too 😂. That Tactical Sqaud split me in two. Ooh ho ho. 😅
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They look amazing and such a brght yellow with nice deep shadows. Will ha e to catch up with the other vids now
Thank you
You can definitely do some cheeky things with a veteran sergeant upgrade for a squad, given they get access to the equipment list to equip them appropriately for the squad. Doesn't even need to use wargear cards, just pick up that flamer/melta/plasma gun. Same goes for techmarines as another character that could us a decent gun now and again. Or a jump pack maybe. Still, less cheeky than Rogue Trader and its space marine characters commonly armed with heavy weapons, seen even in a white dwarf battle report if I remember right.
Dear God, I've bought so many tactical squads over the years- so many different chapters, so many variations... I don't even want to think about just how much money I've spent on this plastic crack since 1993.
Oh, and with the combat knives? I tended to use them as bayonets for the bolters with a bit of strategic trimming.
The sheer nostalgia of seeing your work on these beautiful miniatures is realling helping me get through these hard times I find myself in.
Though I'm currently working on a custom Primaris chapter, my side project is collecting 1st edition beakies and vehicles, and eventually paint them as Dark Angels from the Piscina 4 campaign.
I'm glad the videos help. The dark angels project sounds delightful.
Great video as always and love the phone call skits! 😂
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Sir, your models and their yellow looks great. As an Iyanden Eldar player I salute you.
Thank you
The tactical marines were the best selling. Only due to the 3 sets shown plus including the 2nd ed starter box. Considering how long second was around for its not surprising.
Personally for my yellow, I like to use wraith one (any bleached honey color), followed with a dry brush of a bright pink color, and then using either Iyanden Yellow or Imperial Fist yellow. The pink helps with near instant highlights.
I tried pink and it didn't work for me. Not sure why. Possibly my incompetence or stubbornness to conform
The colour of those Imperial Fists reminds me of that vivid sunny yellow from my childhood found on popular ice lollies.
I'm pretty sure GW had a plan to sell every customer a tactical squad, even if they played fantasy battle. This was probably after the sluggish mail order trolls were replaced with efficient retail servitors, not sure they could tell the game systems apart, just identified the word warhammer and selected tactical squad. With the success of retail servitors, ineffectual design team members were replaced with servitors too, their obsession with tactical squads manfested with the Horus Heresy game, tactical squads vs tactical squads, the perfect servitor game solution. And so the servitors took over and rebranded games workshop with the only logical name .. Warhammer.
Brutal colour comparison
@@Miniscape-wh40k If you spill a pot of contrast yellow, it probably has the appearance of a melted lolly. Pretty yellow but potentially traumatic to those who were clumsy children, forever dropping lollies.
@@ellesse3862 well yeah lol
I’ve completed by 10th ed Salamanders list, but I feel the need to succumb to nostalgia. Thanks, pal!
You're welcome 🤗
If nothing else, even if in modern 40K GW finally consigns the Tactical Squad to Legends, these old models can still be broken up into their component parts and subbed in for Primaris squads. Bolter boys go to the Intercessors. Sergeants team up as Assault Intercessors on foot. Special and Heavy weapon squads get teamed up together to form various units (so long as they all have the same loadout). I think we can all agree that a bunch of classic Rocket Launcher marines look better than a Desolation Squad. They actually look like they're hauling real weapons, instead of Nerf toys.
Never let anyone tell you the old marines need to be retired, just because GW allowed its greed to drive it to madness.
You hit the nail on the head with the last statement
member when a basic squad of space marines was a good unit? I member.
Former MO troll here and retail muppet. From memory there was no variation in the tactical marine armour, they were all MKVII. If you wanted MKVI or MKVIII then you needed to buy the blister packs.
Oh cool thanks. What I meant was, was there a variation in the quantities of the different mkvii sculpts in the box?
Imperial fists, fists of the imperium. Tactical Squads, squads of tactics.
Memories. My first 40K purchase was when I was about 11. My folks were so-so on the matter considering how "graphic" some of the art was, and how expensive this plastic crack always has been, but they generally let me do what I wanted to do with my allowance. First purchase was the OG Space Wolf Blood Claw team - which I butchered with my amazing, non-existent painting skills. I would become a Smurf-lover later on in my hobby journey, but I'll always remember how cool the Wolves looked on that box
Eat your veggies, paint your Tacticals. Then you can have Terminator dessert.
well loooks great like em glad got to do some the old hammer will see more as do it and say hay to miss miniscape
The olivia hale bit is chef's kiss perfection, much like the rest of your content.
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Nice, I was craving some more of that sweet oldhammer content.
The practical, hackitcal, never lacktical tactical squad.
I'll never not sing a long with your jingles, great video as always 👉👉
Thank you 😊
A shoulder mounted heavy bolter is wild to see!
Indeed!
Nice you said you were doing imperial fists I never imagined they'd look so cool👍
Thanks very much
The Dark Angels tactical squad from Dark Vengeance is my favorite. I bought another box of modern tactical marines for weapon options.
Today was like sticking my “ Hand “ into a bag of rusty fishing hooks. But, with this latest offering I feel at the least comfortable.
I don't get it
idk why while watching this video i had the sudden idea of "deprimarisize" the new units, adapt 2e space marines to suppressors or inceptor squads. maybe someone already did
2nd edition is where WH40k peaked for me. The range of miniatures and the Dark Millenium rules all hung together really well. Even the Ork clans worked well together, and made for some fantastic battles. I haven't been able to get back into it since, despite several attempts.
If you have a friend who is willing to try it with you, I recommend persevering. I think you could have a blast.
Just putting out there but i can't here the words yellow space marine that many times without hearing the beatles in my head.
That gives me an idea 💡😉
Ah yes, the Space Marine tactical squad: the miniature set that's been keeping the lights on at GW HQ since 1992.
Hi Miniscapes... the original mk7 armour marines came in a boxed set in the late 80' early 90's using those funky bolters with butt stock. There was a couple of poses blisters brought out the "walking body in two pieces torso and legs for better pose-ability.. there was an un helmeted marine.. have a look at the sole of the boots.. the really early mk7 ones had a boot tread pattern moulded into them.
I know the box you speak of
Oh! Gotta get my chocolate chip oatmeal bars going, Miniscape is on!
Wouldn't a gingerbread land raider be better? :3
@@DeathInTheSnow not for another two months at the very least. I have a few other holidays to worry about before it's gingerbread time.
I would be happy to try one 😁
Not to be confused with Tactical Squids, the SWAT teams of the sea.
Of course 🤣
Those Marines look fantastic! Well done. I dig them. I also like the Tactical Marine song. I think I'll sing it on Kareoke night at the bowling ally next week. 😂❤👍
Please record that for me
I wish GW had a permanent facility to just press off any number of old minis on a made to order basis. You order what individual minis you want from the website, with a catalogue going back to the early 90s, and it might take a couple of weeks or whatever to make and send. But much better than trying to scour eBay for what you want. They clearly have the moulds for lots of old minis, they just need to set something up that can receive these and pump out an old mini on demand. I’m sure it’s possible! Might cost a bit to set up but I’m sure it’ll payback over a year. I’d love it! It’d be like the old school mail order days, flicking through a citadel catalogue picking which minis you want.
That would be awesome if they did it
I recently acquired a bunch of Marine bits from a friend and discovered that the Primaris Incursor hands and bolters are roughly the same size as the 2nd ed Marine hands and bolters, particularly the ones with both hands holding the weapon. Though not the same as the classic bolter, with some slight modifications to the wrist joints they make suitable substitutes if one is missing a bunch of bolters for the monopose marines.
This could work if one is building an Iron Hands army, or are adding a couple of veteran squads to their existing army from another chapter.
That's very useful. Thanks!
Looks amazing
Thank you
Sand from Blyth beach really is the only sand to use.
Damn straight
Maybe this is just me, but that sergeant is clearly Sidney Poitier.
Don't think I ever bought a tactical squad but I did own the 2nd ed box which came with 2 flamer/missile launcher tactical squads. I also remember buying a 3rd edition 5 man all plastic box but they were just regular boltgun marines, I was a broke teen trying to pay for the hobby through paper round money so not that bad for a fiver!
I also enjoy cutting chaos trim off of bits and glueing them to loyalists
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Tactical squads are my favorite unit.
This one really made me feel my wargaming service studs 😂