@@garrenbrooks4778probably around 10,000€-15,000€ for a basic harnischfechten set of armour (functional that is, hardened spring steel). He does some of the decor himself but yeah - I was about to comment that having full sets of armour + jousting attachments for them is waaaay mroe expensive
Nathaniel Garro mentioned! Also I've said it before but I'll say it again - his appreciation for the deeper themes and his ability to draw comparisons between, for example, Perturabo and a renaissance nobleman, is both endlessly fascinating and wonderful to see. 40k has a lot of sweaty little goblins for fans but the deeper appeal can be appreciated by a lot of people.
@@IrregularDave I don't know why, but I still just sit there thinking about that time when he casually exterminated an entire species, and he was stuck staring at the architecture like it was Thursday.. nobody's a good person in that universe.
I like that this guy was actually knowledgeable on 40k and could name primarchs and legions and whatnot. It not only helps his analysis but makes him more enjoyable to watch
His first video on 40k armor he knew nothing about it. He actually got really into and by the time they did a second video with him he knew about all the legions and names of things and lore 😂 dude is awesome
What makes these videos interesting isn't even that they're about 40k. It's that you have an expert that you can tell just with a few minutes of watching the video absolutely loves the subject matter that he spent his entire Professional life studying. If you get someone who really loves their subject matter , it's amazing how contagious it is. Really appreciate the time that he took out of his schedule to do this fun and educational video.
it's absurd how I just cannot stop smiling while watching this video. Just because his enthusiasm and passion for the subjects, and the different aspects of it, is so contagious.
@@argr4sh These videos are comfort food for the soul Seeing someone passionate speak about interesting things with enthusiasm, in an endlessly cynical world, it's rather therapeutic
My man is giving opinions on the upbringing of PERTURABO. Tobias fell down the rabbit hole, and he fell hard. We have to stop letting Dave convert people. At this rate, David Rawlings will be discussing the theoretical stance doctrine of Angron wielding two Chain Axes.
All 40K fans feels sad about the thousands sons, they haven’t done anything wrong. They made bad decisions, really bad decisions, but never have they betrayed the imperium till it was too late. Also being one of the strongest legion per unit, does make you feel sad they are not one of the loyal legion. The only other regret is white scars never got the love of GW.
@@bigdaddydzzzzzz fun fact. Night Haunter audiobook is narrated by Andrew Wincott, who also did the Night Lord voice in the PVP for Space Marine 2. He is best known for Raphael in Baldurs Gate 3. Guy is legendary.
The way that Warhammer squares that circle is that they had all the progress already and then regressed backwards from that golden era of progress. They know that putting these kinds of materials in one end of a massive STC makes boltguns pop out the other side, but not the inner workings of the machine that makes them. Maintenance of machines and equipment is a holy rite not some mundane task because the only ones who remember WHY they do it are long dead, the maintainers who don't fully understand the inner workings start to introduce superstition into the mix, and over generations their teachings are venerated as scripture.
The more modern lore for the Mechanicus even makes that seem plausible. The origins of the tech priests are with technicians and maintenance engineers, the guys who kept the life support systems required to live on Mars after its terraformed biosphere was ruined going. Not with scientists. I've worked in factories and workshops IRL where, for example, a plastic model owl intended for use as a bird scare was kept on top of one of the machines, because 'the machine likes it', and where if it was removed the machine broke. Obviously, that wasn't what actually happened, and it was confirmation bias; we all remember the time the machine broke and the owl wasn't there, and don't remember all the times it broke when the owl was present. But that's the exact sort of superstition the Mechanicus works on. If you get into a situation where all the people who actually understand the science behind the machines are dead and the only people who know anything at all are the guys doing the maintainance, those silly superstitions are going to get passed down and become more entrenched, especially as more and more stuff breaks. A few generations later you're burning an incense stick on top of your PC case to make the internet go faster. Of course, 40k being 40k, machine spirits appear to be actual things. They might be a religiously acceptable form of AI, or they might be actual spirits born out of human belief, it's not ever made clear.
@@mdt105 This happens more often than not, especially with computers and programs. Like governments used to order a program specifically made for them only to cater to a specific function. And then years and years went on and nobody can maintain those codes anymore. Or like in the game TF2, there's so much spaghetti code (code that are mish-mashed and unclear) that it's just hard for new employees to update the game at all.
@@mdt105 The religiously acceptable forms of AI is servitors: lobotomized humans that serve the purpose of automated robotic workers. Actual AI (known as 'abominable intelligence') is ruthlessly outlawed because one of the reasons for the end of the golden age of humanity and the dark age of technology was a skynet-style machine uprising. Machine spirits on the small scale feels like confirmation bias to me and on the larger scale, think ships and Knights and Titans which appear to have what is effectively an AI formed from the neural imprint of all of the past users, it's most certainly just 'AI by another name'. The original Castigator Titan was self-aware and named itself as such and proclaimed that all other titans were but mere mockeries of its glory. The Men of Iron appeared to be similar to Castelan Robots but were also self-aware machines. And the Dark Age of Technology ship the Spirit of Eternity possessed a self aware AI core and not only insulted a Mechanicum Magos, calling him a 'witch doctor mumbling incantations over holy oils'. but insulted all of humanity as a decaying senile shell of its former glory.
@@Beegrene i mean, if worshiping rotting corpses is your thing, go for it, although i'm pretty sure Jesus never signed off on that idea, but hey, pope over Jesus.
I love this guy. He's an expert in his craft but also understands that things have to have an aesthetic appeal in entertainment media. Its great that he takes reality and entertainment into account when looking at this kind of stuff.
My god those 2 (armor and firearms guy) are so serious about their work they start to bloom talking about the logic of scifi armors and weapons it is just beautiful to watch And watching Armor-Master turning slowly into a warhammer fan just fills me with joy, dropping some knowledge here and there about warhamer I just love it! This is one-of-a-kind-content ! Sorry that I am not good with names but I will never forget those friendly faces
Interesting note - there is a Chapter called the Hospitaliers. White armour with red trim a red maltese cross as the chapter icon. They're fleet-based like the Templars, but as well as working as a crusading force, they also act as escorts and protectors for the pilgrims moving around the Imperium.
The two chapters' colors are also inverted from their real life inspirations. The Knights Templars wore white and red while the Knights Hospitallers wore black and white.
How about Mr. Fergusson and Dr. Capwell together analyzing the gear together in a slightly longer video? If these two fine gentlemen had the time for it, I think it'd be a very interesting discussion they could have reflecting on the blend of old and new tech in the 40k universe. Maybe even looking at the gear of the Guardsmen you encounter throughout the story.
I would like to see a few more experts in there too. Ian from forgotten weapons, Iseral Wright and Cameron Fath from Gamology, and maybe even Shadiversity.
@@wigligigly3375 Capwell is a highly regarded academic with literally decades of physical experience. A scholar and a warrior. Shad is just a ragebait amateur with not a single pedigree in any of this conversation bar his architectural knowledge. He is not intellectual, his approach to topics is uncritical, unacademic and unreflected. Even aside from being a religious extremist and misanthrope, he's just unfit to enter intellectual dialogue on a very basic level. It's like putting your weird uncle Steve who takes bird pictures (pun intended) in his free time next to David Attenborough.
I adore how crazy deep into the lore Toby got. like, discussing PERTURABO's inclinations, that's a level of obscure that I, someone who played up to/during 3rd/4th edition and have all the old codexes, don't even know. lol
The Night Lords in the omnibus are horrible war criminals but they had a very humanizing relationship with their human allies. “The only people allowed to bully and terrorize our human slaves are us!”
@@ThePigKnight Night Lords come in two flavors. Chaos hating, Imperium hating, warcrime loving lunatics or Chaos hating, Imperium hating, honorable and stoic warcrime lovers. Sevetar absolutely only tortured and terrorized those he believed deserved it. Had more honor than a hundred Dark Angels.
@15:30 I've been a larper for decades, i am 6ft tall and wear a full metal plate armour. I can confirm yes you can sneak in full plate... if you are very careful, if anything the chain is the hardest part and the plates help to keep it from moving too much.
There are texts as well showing how some armors would be stuffed with leaves, padding, even sand, in the nooks and crannys to make it quieter. Its fascinating. Ive worn full plate (not to youe extent just got lucky knowing a museum curator and it wasnt made for me) but i could move way quieter than i thought was possible. Just have to be fit enough and practiced enough and id imagine some knights could be deadly silent
@@dylanpiazza6358 Brigandine might be a better option than plate for that. Muffled by default owing to the construction. Definitely would be interesting to see/hear many effectively muffled small plates vs fewer, larger ones.
I’m assuming that thick, quality gambeson, hose, and cap help you stay more quiet? I do resent how high/late medieval and early modern armor is portrayed in modern media
PerturbedTurboman is major reason Horus Heresy even works for Horus as much as it did, Iron Legion is cool... Man just wanted recognition for his achievements he never got
I believe he's talking about Nathaniel Garro at 14:10 but he doesn't actually found the Grey Knights. He works with the prototypical organization Knights Errant that later splits and one half becomes the Grey Knights. Garro isn't part of that splinter though. He goes on his own mission instead.
Nathaniel Garro never actually became a Gray knight, he was instrumental in recruiting those who would eventually form the gray knights under Malcador's service, but when it was time to form the gray knights Malcador was like, your place is on terra. There were 8 original grayknights though their were supposed be 9 with Garviel Loken, though Garro was not one of them.
A neat thing I like is that the Imperium sees these things from history, and applies them to their society and military without really knowing what it means or what its actual purpose is, since so much of human history was forgotten
12:20 In one of your earlier videos you pointed out that the head spike alludes to the Prussen Pickelhelm, and here you see them changing the design a little, making it sleeker, but the reference is still evident.
What i find exteremely fun in this particular video is that mr. Capwell is actually passionate about his field (medieval armor and stuff), knows enough about the specific product he talks about (Warhammer), offers some interesting insights & personal opinions, but at the same time does not delve too deep into nuanced details to create kind of "whatever" moments. Perfect balance of knowledge and knowing what is just enough for popular entertainment. He does not try to "dump" actual historical knowledge about a thing, but actually discusses in detail how fiction is connected to RL. Oh, also very well spoken. That combination of things makes the video very enjoyable. Personally, probably one of the two best expert on the channel in terms of video presence at the very least. The other best being, obviously, Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries in the UK.
To add to the point you mentioned about the veneration of saints bodies, blood specifically, The wax of the purity seals is supposed to contain the Emperor's blood. There is some homeopathy like practices to make sure there is enough to go around IIRC.
Haven't watched it yet so short after upload but I already know that this will be an ejoyable video because Tobi is for me personally a very welcome guest for the series.
It is so much fun watching Tobias nerd out over the details of the armor and design, and then spend five minutes discussing the Medieval practices that influenced said design. The man knows his stuff. It's also been really fun watching him go from not knowing much about Warhammer a few years back to know being able to discuss obscure pieces of lore.
So something he might need to consider is that Space Marines themselves often serve as a "tribal subunit" within the larger Imperium. In addition, while weapons might often be made to a pattern, there is a large amount of "craft" weapons made as one-offs that are based on that pattern but highly customized. They aren't made on the same production line as a default bolter, you can have both.
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about.
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about
I want to see Dr. Capwell look at the armor of The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind. The game goes through great efforts to contrast the fairly familiar looking mass produced export armor (many of which even have proper waist placement!) with the unusual designs of the native population. The sub-factions of the native population even have their own armor variants.
I love how toby says that the boxes with bones that space marines carry are referencing the idea of reliquaries, when in reality, they literally refer to them as reliquaries.
15:15 to add to the whole sneaking in armour thing, apparently the ravenguard chapter/legion (who specialises in stealth) was inspired by certain ninjitsu techniques around wearing your armour in a way that allows for stealth.
If anyone at Focus Entertainment sees this, please add a white Consuls chapter icon, it would work for Black Consuls and Raptors as well, and White Consuls actually have a miniature in the tabletop
They're on record saying they want to add all official successor chapters eventually. So you need only sit and wait (for a long time, let's be honest lol)
I habitually watch any video this man is in: I love the way he can truly educate about real history while being able to appreciate the mythological and fantastical aspects of the source material. Big fan of his style of teaching
It's like second or third video I see here with that gentleman and I cannot pinpoint what is going on with him. I never was interested in history, after middle school I actually despised the subject and never got along with it, but that man... I can listen to him non stop and he just sounds like a teacher I wished I had. He's so casual and interesting it's like he's planting embers to ignite the interest in history but not making anything big out of it.
the problem you have is your teacher did as rote. there was no effort to point out interesting things. History can be very macabre, and often depressing and horrifying but also interesting in how things can advance then fall. also you learn that history does have patterns. there is so much history hence why people often specialize in an era or region or have an interest in a certain topic such as weapons, medical techinuqes, construction, language etc.
Also Dave, though some of the footage will be harder to come by, surely, but I'd really REALLY appreciate hearing Toby's historical background on the armour of the Imperial Guard, Sororitas, The Oblivion Knight's of the Silent Sisterhood, The Emperor's personal armour, the Inquisitions retrofitted power armour, and, if possible, his ideas regarding the Armours of the Officio Assassinorum's main temples. I'm itching to know, from an expert, where the inspiration truly lies.
Having Toby take a look at the armors and weapons from Conqueror's Blade would be a fun video since the game spans across multiple eras and civilizations from units based on the Greeks all the way to the Swedish Empire. Actually getting the units would take a while but I'd be more than happy to help if you ever do decide to make a video on the game as I have pretty much everything unlocked on my end.
Oh my god, I’ve already loved listening to hours of Toby talking about real historical armor, but this… now that he’s in deep… I wanna hear his opinion on every last thing 40k related I love it
This is a man who truely appreciates his craft. I would of imagained that most historians would be quite snobby about warhammer, bagging on it for its over exagerrated armours; but this guy can detach himself enough from his studies to appreciate things that would not normaly fit into your standard militaries. I love how instead of saying "thats wrong, thats wrong" he instead says, "I can see the influence and what they were trying to achive". Cudos to you good sir !
8:37 Pakistan and China would disagree on that. Pattern welding can use almost any two alloys of steel and they don't typically perform as well as a mono steel blade.
Absolutely loving his lore accurate comments and mentioning of fondness for the franchise, he treats it all with respect even if it does seem a little silly.
We just need a giant collab of all the experts together in one massive video. dont know how they could go about it, but i feel like it would be very interesting. Especially if they were all together in person
It's interesting that light infantry has almost completely prevailed on the ground, so the concept of the 'knightly' combatant moved into the air, navy, and armoured units. Modern "heavy infantry" exists, but operates at scales and with tactics more akin to infantry work in centuries past. The director of the German tank museum Munster, Ralf Raths, had an interesting presentation on this topic which he named along the lines of 'The Tank as a Hero Generator" (der Panzer als Heldenautomat), in which he compared the 'hero' status as examplified by the 3rd Reich's Ritterkreuz between different arms. This was largely a parallel development to the roles of nobility in military affairs. Especially in WW1, air combat was filled with wealthy men... until it turned into a gruesome battle of attrition.
i do have a request. recently robinswords commented on the practicality of standard helldiver armor, so, well, the game has way more than the standard set, so, show him the whole lot of them.
5:25 - it's not strange. It's your inner child begging you to be edgy. That's part of the fun of 40k, you get to stimulate parts of your brain that don't usually get much attention.
on the topic of the cloth covering over armor, 19th century military sabers sometimes has leather cover on hilts and scabbards on sabers, like Mexican cavalry sabers often have them, as does French and British ones from the African campaigns etc.
I recommend having him (or anyone else who's an expert on historical armor and weaponry) react to Vermintide's weapons and armor, I think it'd be an interesting thing to see
I will note two things, one many astartes chapters weapons are handmade especially the special mastercraft ones like the ones seen at 3:53. Two in the Warhammer universe the Astartes and Mechanicus both put great pride in there weapons so even those that are mass produced are still artisanal weapons and not mass produced on a scale of even modern day military weapons.
it's fascinating how the same design question - how to protect a human shaped body while still letting them move and fight - created the same answers and ideas throughout history and will keep having the same answers out into 40k as technology and materials change. So artists, designers and animators for warhammer draw on real world ideas, turn the badassness up to 11 and come up with some really cool stuff
Imagine a loyalist nightlord successor chapter with tactical cloaks. They use said cloaks to hide their movements in melee, hide where they're looking at and even hide their weapons before firing. Their terror tactics are them dropping said cheap cloaks everywhere to foster a sense of always being watched and hunted. Their chapter secret is that Conrad Curze also had a warp based stealth power. If Corvus Corax could hides by literally erasing your cognition of him while directly staring at him, Conrad Kurze could stealth by making you see him where he isn't. So instead of being invisible, the chapter's gifted astartes can drop in as a lone wolf and through a combination of terror tactics and warp shenanigans, make the enemy forces fire at the scattered cloaks.
Y’all remember when Toby didn’t know a lick of Warhammer stuff but now he’s a full on fan. Pour one out for his wallet.
He's making dr. Money.
Indeed, all our wallets 😢
😂
@@WhiteCollarCrimeDNBuh wrong kinda doctor for that
@@TomTasker He's had nearly a dozen armors worth tens of thousands of dollar each built. I think he's doing alright lol
@@garrenbrooks4778probably around 10,000€-15,000€ for a basic harnischfechten set of armour (functional that is, hardened spring steel). He does some of the decor himself but yeah - I was about to comment that having full sets of armour + jousting attachments for them is waaaay mroe expensive
Might as well add "full time 40K enjoyer" to his introduction from now on
*30k, bro is a historian even in the 41st millennium.
@wolfie54321 we found an IRL Remembrancer
@@wolfie54321a Remembrancer
📝📝📝
Agreed, absolute Chad
Nathaniel Garro mentioned!
Also I've said it before but I'll say it again - his appreciation for the deeper themes and his ability to draw comparisons between, for example, Perturabo and a renaissance nobleman, is both endlessly fascinating and wonderful to see. 40k has a lot of sweaty little goblins for fans but the deeper appeal can be appreciated by a lot of people.
Nathaniel Garro is THE BEST LAD
The straight arrow @@IrregularDave
Garro, Loken, Tarvitz, Torgaddon, Dantioch - all GOATS.
Extremely based, all of them@@sweatyfootenjoyer
@@IrregularDave I don't know why, but I still just sit there thinking about that time when he casually exterminated an entire species, and he was stuck staring at the architecture like it was Thursday.. nobody's a good person in that universe.
I like that this guy was actually knowledgeable on 40k and could name primarchs and legions and whatnot. It not only helps his analysis but makes him more enjoyable to watch
Yeah i nodded when he said that he likes night lords when get to know them... so good. He clearly read the soulhunter series.
I like it even better apparently he used to not be into it but got into it because of his kid
His first video on 40k armor he knew nothing about it. He actually got really into and by the time they did a second video with him he knew about all the legions and names of things and lore 😂 dude is awesome
What makes these videos interesting isn't even that they're about 40k.
It's that you have an expert that you can tell just with a few minutes of watching the video absolutely loves the subject matter that he spent his entire Professional life studying.
If you get someone who really loves their subject matter , it's amazing how contagious it is.
Really appreciate the time that he took out of his schedule to do this fun and educational video.
it's absurd how I just cannot stop smiling while watching this video. Just because his enthusiasm and passion for the subjects, and the different aspects of it, is so contagious.
@@argr4sh These videos are comfort food for the soul
Seeing someone passionate speak about interesting things with enthusiasm, in an endlessly cynical world, it's rather therapeutic
Dude has so much passion in the subject i could listen to him rating kid made cardboard armors.
"I really like the Iron Warriors, actually"
EXTREMELY BASED. IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
FORTIFY.
SIEGE.
"I am very bitter and you are the reason!"
"I know... and I don't care."
From Iron cometh Strength.
@@bjwist3rror From strength cometh will!
My man is giving opinions on the upbringing of PERTURABO. Tobias fell down the rabbit hole, and he fell hard. We have to stop letting Dave convert people. At this rate, David Rawlings will be discussing the theoretical stance doctrine of Angron wielding two Chain Axes.
We have dave converting Scholars.
We have briky converting Vtubers.
What a time to be alive!
Im here for it lol
Well now hold on... That could be a good video
We need to get the ditch man in on this!
Imagine if Luetin had Dave on for a special episode…
my man just drops lore left and right
he is so deep in
i love it
and he likes the 8th
what could i ask more for
"he is so deep in
i love it"
Phrasing
@@steelbear2063 oh la la
We need a video on Primarch armor specifically. Lion El' Johnson's 40k model is a masterclass in armor design.
This just reminded me I have yet to paint mine...
@@IrregularDave😂😂😂
I need the full breakdown on Magnus' horn nips
@@IrregularDaveDon't remind me, my unpainted Angron stares at me since 2 months now 😅
He is why I went with Dark Angels and never changed , in all my 20 years enjoying Warhammer
"Even armor can be quiet"
This man Raven Guards
Victorus aut Mortis!
Raven Guards are cool and get unfairly labeled as overtly edgy
Fondness for the Night Lords and in the previous video he finds the Thousand Sons as heroes...
Someone call the Inquisition.
I thought the NLs were a meme until I read the omnibus. Then I loved them. They might be war criminals but they're my war criminals. :)
All 40K fans feels sad about the thousands sons, they haven’t done anything wrong. They made bad decisions, really bad decisions, but never have they betrayed the imperium till it was too late. Also being one of the strongest legion per unit, does make you feel sad they are not one of the loyal legion. The only other regret is white scars never got the love of GW.
@@bigdaddydzzzzzz fun fact. Night Haunter audiobook is narrated by Andrew Wincott, who also did the Night Lord voice in the PVP for Space Marine 2. He is best known for Raphael in Baldurs Gate 3. Guy is legendary.
It's not the Dr's fault he knows heroism when he sees it; likes the Iron Warriors too
Actually means he's got good taste.
"Advanced technological society that's also primitive and tribal".
The way that Warhammer squares that circle is that they had all the progress already and then regressed backwards from that golden era of progress. They know that putting these kinds of materials in one end of a massive STC makes boltguns pop out the other side, but not the inner workings of the machine that makes them. Maintenance of machines and equipment is a holy rite not some mundane task because the only ones who remember WHY they do it are long dead, the maintainers who don't fully understand the inner workings start to introduce superstition into the mix, and over generations their teachings are venerated as scripture.
The more modern lore for the Mechanicus even makes that seem plausible. The origins of the tech priests are with technicians and maintenance engineers, the guys who kept the life support systems required to live on Mars after its terraformed biosphere was ruined going. Not with scientists.
I've worked in factories and workshops IRL where, for example, a plastic model owl intended for use as a bird scare was kept on top of one of the machines, because 'the machine likes it', and where if it was removed the machine broke.
Obviously, that wasn't what actually happened, and it was confirmation bias; we all remember the time the machine broke and the owl wasn't there, and don't remember all the times it broke when the owl was present. But that's the exact sort of superstition the Mechanicus works on.
If you get into a situation where all the people who actually understand the science behind the machines are dead and the only people who know anything at all are the guys doing the maintainance, those silly superstitions are going to get passed down and become more entrenched, especially as more and more stuff breaks. A few generations later you're burning an incense stick on top of your PC case to make the internet go faster.
Of course, 40k being 40k, machine spirits appear to be actual things. They might be a religiously acceptable form of AI, or they might be actual spirits born out of human belief, it's not ever made clear.
@@mdt105 This happens more often than not, especially with computers and programs. Like governments used to order a program specifically made for them only to cater to a specific function. And then years and years went on and nobody can maintain those codes anymore. Or like in the game TF2, there's so much spaghetti code (code that are mish-mashed and unclear) that it's just hard for new employees to update the game at all.
@@mdt105 The religiously acceptable forms of AI is servitors: lobotomized humans that serve the purpose of automated robotic workers. Actual AI (known as 'abominable intelligence') is ruthlessly outlawed because one of the reasons for the end of the golden age of humanity and the dark age of technology was a skynet-style machine uprising. Machine spirits on the small scale feels like confirmation bias to me and on the larger scale, think ships and Knights and Titans which appear to have what is effectively an AI formed from the neural imprint of all of the past users, it's most certainly just 'AI by another name'. The original Castigator Titan was self-aware and named itself as such and proclaimed that all other titans were but mere mockeries of its glory. The Men of Iron appeared to be similar to Castelan Robots but were also self-aware machines. And the Dark Age of Technology ship the Spirit of Eternity possessed a self aware AI core and not only insulted a Mechanicum Magos, calling him a 'witch doctor mumbling incantations over holy oils'. but insulted all of humanity as a decaying senile shell of its former glory.
@@HienNguyen-cs1md that reminds me that there is a jpeg of a coconut in TF2 files and if it is deleted the game won't start so nobody messes with it
"Maybe the Space Marines have forgotten about Martin Luther, I dunno" - haha, love this guy.
Luther was a heretic. We all know how the Space Marines feel about heretics.
Oh, something tells me the Dark Angels remember Luther...
@@Beegrene i mean, if worshiping rotting corpses is your thing, go for it, although i'm pretty sure Jesus never signed off on that idea, but hey, pope over Jesus.
@@stefthorman8548 Not much extrapolation needed from worshipping a ✝️.
One small critic for the channel, We need more Tobias Capwell !
How did you do that with the link? I've never seen hyperlinks in UA-cam comments
I love this guy. He's an expert in his craft but also understands that things have to have an aesthetic appeal in entertainment media. Its great that he takes reality and entertainment into account when looking at this kind of stuff.
My god those 2 (armor and firearms guy) are so serious about their work they start to bloom talking about the logic of scifi armors and weapons it is just beautiful to watch
And watching Armor-Master turning slowly into a warhammer fan just fills me with joy, dropping some knowledge here and there about warhamer
I just love it! This is one-of-a-kind-content !
Sorry that I am not good with names but I will never forget those friendly faces
I was pretty impressed that he recognized the 30k Worldeaters paint scheme so quickly.
Talk to medieval reenactors and you'll find there is significant overlap between nerdoms.
Interesting note - there is a Chapter called the Hospitaliers. White armour with red trim a red maltese cross as the chapter icon. They're fleet-based like the Templars, but as well as working as a crusading force, they also act as escorts and protectors for the pilgrims moving around the Imperium.
The two chapters' colors are also inverted from their real life inspirations. The Knights Templars wore white and red while the Knights Hospitallers wore black and white.
How about Mr. Fergusson and Dr. Capwell together analyzing the gear together in a slightly longer video? If these two fine gentlemen had the time for it, I think it'd be a very interesting discussion they could have reflecting on the blend of old and new tech in the 40k universe. Maybe even looking at the gear of the Guardsmen you encounter throughout the story.
I would like to see a few more experts in there too. Ian from forgotten weapons, Iseral Wright and Cameron Fath from Gamology, and maybe even Shadiversity.
@@kimbertactpro9maybe not shad after his homophobic rants on Knight's Watch.
@@blizzardgaming7070 I don't see why he should be excluded from intellectual conversations just because he said some things that might upset you
@@wigligigly3375 Being blatantly homophobic is much worse than just being a little offensive.
@@wigligigly3375 Capwell is a highly regarded academic with literally decades of physical experience. A scholar and a warrior. Shad is just a ragebait amateur with not a single pedigree in any of this conversation bar his architectural knowledge. He is not intellectual, his approach to topics is uncritical, unacademic and unreflected. Even aside from being a religious extremist and misanthrope, he's just unfit to enter intellectual dialogue on a very basic level.
It's like putting your weird uncle Steve who takes bird pictures (pun intended) in his free time next to David Attenborough.
“I hope this game is successful”
Oh it was…it was.
The Emperor protects
The Emperor protects, but having a loaded bolter never hurt either.
I adore how crazy deep into the lore Toby got. like, discussing PERTURABO's inclinations, that's a level of obscure that I, someone who played up to/during 3rd/4th edition and have all the old codexes, don't even know. lol
Weird fondness for night lords describes night lords perfectly
The Night Lords in the omnibus are horrible war criminals but they had a very humanizing relationship with their human allies. “The only people allowed to bully and terrorize our human slaves are us!”
@@ThePigKnight Night Lords come in two flavors.
Chaos hating, Imperium hating, warcrime loving lunatics
or
Chaos hating, Imperium hating, honorable and stoic warcrime lovers.
Sevetar absolutely only tortured and terrorized those he believed deserved it. Had more honor than a hundred Dark Angels.
@15:30 I've been a larper for decades, i am 6ft tall and wear a full metal plate armour. I can confirm yes you can sneak in full plate... if you are very careful, if anything the chain is the hardest part and the plates help to keep it from moving too much.
There are texts as well showing how some armors would be stuffed with leaves, padding, even sand, in the nooks and crannys to make it quieter. Its fascinating. Ive worn full plate (not to youe extent just got lucky knowing a museum curator and it wasnt made for me) but i could move way quieter than i thought was possible. Just have to be fit enough and practiced enough and id imagine some knights could be deadly silent
@@dylanpiazza6358 Brigandine might be a better option than plate for that. Muffled by default owing to the construction. Definitely would be interesting to see/hear many effectively muffled small plates vs fewer, larger ones.
I’m assuming that thick, quality gambeson, hose, and cap help you stay more quiet? I do resent how high/late medieval and early modern armor is portrayed in modern media
Night Lords AND Perturabo enjoyer?!
My man.
Tobias and Jonathan are the best content on gamespot by a mile. Amazing guys.
Toby's appreciation for the trendsetting hero that is Nathaniel Garro really got me smiling.
Hearing Toby nerd out over Nathanial Garro made my whole day.
PerturbedTurboman is major reason Horus Heresy even works for Horus as much as it did, Iron Legion is cool... Man just wanted recognition for his achievements he never got
I believe he's talking about Nathaniel Garro at 14:10 but he doesn't actually found the Grey Knights. He works with the prototypical organization Knights Errant that later splits and one half becomes the Grey Knights. Garro isn't part of that splinter though. He goes on his own mission instead.
Toby is such a stellar guest. I appreciate how he points out the subtleties of the adornments, but is able to explain it in universe.
Nathaniel Garro never actually became a Gray knight, he was instrumental in recruiting those who would eventually form the gray knights under Malcador's service, but when it was time to form the gray knights Malcador was like, your place is on terra.
There were 8 original grayknights though their were supposed be 9 with Garviel Loken, though Garro was not one of them.
Yup,he was a Knight Errant.
A neat thing I like is that the Imperium sees these things from history, and applies them to their society and military without really knowing what it means or what its actual purpose is, since so much of human history was forgotten
12:20 In one of your earlier videos you pointed out that the head spike alludes to the Prussen Pickelhelm, and here you see them changing the design a little, making it sleeker, but the reference is still evident.
What i find exteremely fun in this particular video is that mr. Capwell is actually passionate about his field (medieval armor and stuff), knows enough about the specific product he talks about (Warhammer), offers some interesting insights & personal opinions, but at the same time does not delve too deep into nuanced details to create kind of "whatever" moments. Perfect balance of knowledge and knowing what is just enough for popular entertainment. He does not try to "dump" actual historical knowledge about a thing, but actually discusses in detail how fiction is connected to RL. Oh, also very well spoken. That combination of things makes the video very enjoyable.
Personally, probably one of the two best expert on the channel in terms of video presence at the very least.
The other best being, obviously, Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries in the UK.
Capwell is such a cool dude. Seems like a nice person to hangout with too. Bring him out whenever you can.
What can we do to have more Toby reacting to arms and armour? We would love to see more Toby reacts please and thank you
To add to the point you mentioned about the veneration of saints bodies, blood specifically, The wax of the purity seals is supposed to contain the Emperor's blood. There is some homeopathy like practices to make sure there is enough to go around IIRC.
Haven't watched it yet so short after upload but I already know that this will be an ejoyable video because Tobi is for me personally a very welcome guest for the series.
It is so cool seeing him get into the universe.
I love when your guests have a lot of knowledge and nuance to the source material you guys are breaking down.
A historian and armor expert, who also loves Warhammer. It makes it all the more fun when he shares his insights with us then!
It is so much fun watching Tobias nerd out over the details of the armor and design, and then spend five minutes discussing the Medieval practices that influenced said design. The man knows his stuff. It's also been really fun watching him go from not knowing much about Warhammer a few years back to know being able to discuss obscure pieces of lore.
Makes videos like these better when the expert is a fan of the setting/universe. Really enjoyable to watch.
So something he might need to consider is that Space Marines themselves often serve as a "tribal subunit" within the larger Imperium. In addition, while weapons might often be made to a pattern, there is a large amount of "craft" weapons made as one-offs that are based on that pattern but highly customized. They aren't made on the same production line as a default bolter, you can have both.
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about.
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about
Interesting point. Space Marines constitute an ethnic group and arguably their own nation. They have unique genetic markers, cultures, values, lands, and subjectively define themselves as separate. Very interesting to think about
I want to see Dr. Capwell look at the armor of The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind. The game goes through great efforts to contrast the fairly familiar looking mass produced export armor (many of which even have proper waist placement!) with the unusual designs of the native population. The sub-factions of the native population even have their own armor variants.
I love how toby says that the boxes with bones that space marines carry are referencing the idea of reliquaries, when in reality, they literally refer to them as reliquaries.
Doctor Capwell has always been a cool dude with his videos with HEMAtubers like Matt Easton. Not bad for a Thousand Sons sympathetizer. 😂
this man is a gem! absolutely love comparisons and depth he brings to the table
15:15 to add to the whole sneaking in armour thing, apparently the ravenguard chapter/legion (who specialises in stealth) was inspired by certain ninjitsu techniques around wearing your armour in a way that allows for stealth.
If anyone at Focus Entertainment sees this, please add a white Consuls chapter icon, it would work for Black Consuls and Raptors as well, and White Consuls actually have a miniature in the tabletop
They're on record saying they want to add all official successor chapters eventually. So you need only sit and wait (for a long time, let's be honest lol)
I habitually watch any video this man is in: I love the way he can truly educate about real history while being able to appreciate the mythological and fantastical aspects of the source material. Big fan of his style of teaching
It’s just cool seeing a medieval scholar be familiar and nerd out about Warhammer. Welcome to the imperium brother.
It's like second or third video I see here with that gentleman and I cannot pinpoint what is going on with him. I never was interested in history, after middle school I actually despised the subject and never got along with it, but that man... I can listen to him non stop and he just sounds like a teacher I wished I had. He's so casual and interesting it's like he's planting embers to ignite the interest in history but not making anything big out of it.
the problem you have is your teacher did as rote. there was no effort to point out interesting things. History can be very macabre, and often depressing and horrifying but also interesting in how things can advance then fall. also you learn that history does have patterns. there is so much history hence why people often specialize in an era or region or have an interest in a certain topic such as weapons, medical techinuqes, construction, language etc.
Those who teach not merely as a job but as a passion are a tragically rare breed.
The secret ingredient is Passion.
Doesn't matter how knowledgeable a person is, if they don't sound interested, you are not gonna be interested
Always more Toby! It would be cool to have a mash up episode with all the games that can't make a full episode. Sci fi and fantasy
Man I love these video, its been a treat to hear these perspectives and also love the lore knowledge. Would love to see more of these
"Maybe the Space marines have forgot about Martin Luther"
Pretty sure that the Dark Angels remember Luther
17:54 What a great conclusion !
cant wait for Tobias covering KCD2
14:09 I think he's talking about Janus here? but that was a Thousand Sons Marine (also a traitor legion) implanted with a shard of Magnus.
Also Dave, though some of the footage will be harder to come by, surely, but I'd really REALLY appreciate hearing Toby's historical background on the armour of the Imperial Guard, Sororitas, The Oblivion Knight's of the Silent Sisterhood, The Emperor's personal armour, the Inquisitions retrofitted power armour, and, if possible, his ideas regarding the Armours of the Officio Assassinorum's main temples.
I'm itching to know, from an expert, where the inspiration truly lies.
Use footage from Darktide, maybe?
Having Toby take a look at the armors and weapons from Conqueror's Blade would be a fun video since the game spans across multiple eras and civilizations from units based on the Greeks all the way to the Swedish Empire. Actually getting the units would take a while but I'd be more than happy to help if you ever do decide to make a video on the game as I have pretty much everything unlocked on my end.
When ever Tobias smiles I can't help but feel he looks like those smiling Titus pictures from the photo mode in Space marine 2.
Oh my god, I’ve already loved listening to hours of Toby talking about real historical armor, but this… now that he’s in deep… I wanna hear his opinion on every last thing 40k related I love it
We need a Dr. Capwell Q&A, "Answering Questions from the Internet," type vid at some point.
I really hope the design team sees this!!
This is a man who truely appreciates his craft. I would of imagained that most historians would be quite snobby about warhammer, bagging on it for its over exagerrated armours; but this guy can detach himself enough from his studies to appreciate things that would not normaly fit into your standard militaries. I love how instead of saying "thats wrong, thats wrong" he instead says, "I can see the influence and what they were trying to achive".
Cudos to you good sir !
8:37 Pakistan and China would disagree on that. Pattern welding can use almost any two alloys of steel and they don't typically perform as well as a mono steel blade.
3:53 - jokes on you, technology is treated as divine in the Imperium
Props to the NIGHT LORDS shoutout! great stuff!
This is the kind of content that makes me glad we have UA-cam.
This is EXACTLY what i wanted to come home to to start the long weekend
Absolutely loving his lore accurate comments and mentioning of fondness for the franchise, he treats it all with respect even if it does seem a little silly.
Always great to listen to a guy with a passion for a subject.
Oh man I *really* want to hear Dr. Capwell's thoughts on the Raven Guard and Dark Angels. Both are terribly underrated.
will watch any video with Toby, guy is just a joy to watch
15:32 where can I find/watch these large scale medieval war games?
@Gamespot, love when you bring Toby on and the Firearms expert (apologies I forget his name off the top of my head but love the duo you bring on).
We just need a giant collab of all the experts together in one massive video. dont know how they could go about it, but i feel like it would be very interesting. Especially if they were all together in person
It's amazing to hear someone wrestle with these concepts when he's an expert on One
It's interesting that light infantry has almost completely prevailed on the ground, so the concept of the 'knightly' combatant moved into the air, navy, and armoured units.
Modern "heavy infantry" exists, but operates at scales and with tactics more akin to infantry work in centuries past.
The director of the German tank museum Munster, Ralf Raths, had an interesting presentation on this topic which he named along the lines of 'The Tank as a Hero Generator" (der Panzer als Heldenautomat), in which he compared the 'hero' status as examplified by the 3rd Reich's Ritterkreuz between different arms. This was largely a parallel development to the roles of nobility in military affairs. Especially in WW1, air combat was filled with wealthy men... until it turned into a gruesome battle of attrition.
16:30
Oh hes SPITTIN
i do have a request. recently robinswords commented on the practicality of standard helldiver armor, so, well, the game has way more than the standard set, so, show him the whole lot of them.
Toby: " Perturabo is a much more nuanced and interesting character than you might have thought"
That's all I needed to hear.
IRON WITHIN
IRON WITHOUT
5:25 - it's not strange. It's your inner child begging you to be edgy. That's part of the fun of 40k, you get to stimulate parts of your brain that don't usually get much attention.
on the topic of the cloth covering over armor, 19th century military sabers sometimes has leather cover on hilts and scabbards on sabers, like Mexican cavalry sabers often have them, as does French and British ones from the African campaigns etc.
Love this guy, i can feel a passion when he talks that is invigorating... in some way.
Can't get enough of Toby and Jonathan.
Love to hear him just talk about 40k stuff seems like he knows a lot about it
9:15 Deadpool's been sharing tips
2:57 "maybe the space marines have forgotten about Luther"
*Dark Angel intensifies*
I love the fact that he knows lore. Awesome vid.
This man knows his lore
Literally references Nathanial Garro's storyline, bro is a true warhammer fan XD
Literally.
Can we get an episode of Tony reacting to Chivalry 2 armor?? Personally I think armor in that game looks great
I recommend having him (or anyone else who's an expert on historical armor and weaponry) react to Vermintide's weapons and armor, I think it'd be an interesting thing to see
I will note two things, one many astartes chapters weapons are handmade especially the special mastercraft ones like the ones seen at 3:53. Two in the Warhammer universe the Astartes and Mechanicus both put great pride in there weapons so even those that are mass produced are still artisanal weapons and not mass produced on a scale of even modern day military weapons.
it's fascinating how the same design question - how to protect a human shaped body while still letting them move and fight - created the same answers and ideas throughout history and will keep having the same answers out into 40k as technology and materials change. So artists, designers and animators for warhammer draw on real world ideas, turn the badassness up to 11 and come up with some really cool stuff
Sir Tobias Capwell is my hero.
"Maybe the Space Marines have forgotten about Martin Luther I don't know." Loved that line, so funny.
Imagine a loyalist nightlord successor chapter with tactical cloaks. They use said cloaks to hide their movements in melee, hide where they're looking at and even hide their weapons before firing. Their terror tactics are them dropping said cheap cloaks everywhere to foster a sense of always being watched and hunted.
Their chapter secret is that Conrad Curze also had a warp based stealth power. If Corvus Corax could hides by literally erasing your cognition of him while directly staring at him, Conrad Kurze could stealth by making you see him where he isn't. So instead of being invisible, the chapter's gifted astartes can drop in as a lone wolf and through a combination of terror tactics and warp shenanigans, make the enemy forces fire at the scattered cloaks.
I feel slightly hesitant to ask him his opinion on Curze's ruling "policies"
The scowl on space marines armor is said to be made of anti psychic material.