I've been in construction for about 8 years. I wish this video was around back when I got started would have saved me a ton of trial and error. Great job making it simple for people just starting out.
Thank you and your daughter for your help. I am a 66 years old (woman) and I just finished half of my tool sheds roof, wish we hadn't built it so high, seven ft. would have been easier. Climbing on top was scary. Hip roof is not the best way to go for a 6 x 8 building. I prayed the whole time I was up there lol , was glad when I ran out of shingles , I needed the break ! . But believe I will complete it !
I used to do an upside down shingle for the first row, but I've found that Start-a-roll shingle starter is cheaper, so I use it now. Also, I always do the 6-nail pattern, not the 4-nail pattern shown here. This is one of the reasons I love construction so much, 1,001 ways to correctly do a job. Great job!!
This is Awesome, Thanks for posting, In Ireland I never learned how to do this cause we didn't use shingles, You just saved me a ton of money, now I can do this on my own house :) , I will pay it forward. Your daughter did a great job with the camera.
Kevin Donohoe Thanks Kevin. Always like to hear when we are able to help. It's great having my daughter as my videographer on some of my videos, thank you for the compliment. We appreciate you watching and commenting. Have a great day!
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Thanks from subscriber 288,783. This has helped me a lot,, Does this make me a roofer?, no but it's good to have some wisdom from someone that knows... Thanks again.
There are also slots on every 3-tab shingle that will tell you exactly where next should sit both vertically and horizontally. These "slots" are located on the perimeter of the shingle. The slots that tell you where your 6" mark is are located at the top(6' from each end). The "slots" that tell you how high the shingle should sit on the one beneath it are located on each end of the shingle slightly above the tar line.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. You and your daughter make good working partners. Many years ago in his youth my husband helped a roofer. Your instruction was very clear, her pictures right on, and the grand kids will have a roof on the play house thanks to you! Cheers
Heya i am for the first time here. I found this video and I find it truly useful & it helped me out much. I hope to provide one thing back and aid others such as you helped me.
Thank you very much. I work at Home Depot and have done handyman work on the side. Roofing has always been a puzzle because customers ask how many shingles they need. I have a problem calculating because I know there is an overlap, so calculating the sq ft of a shingle will not really help calculating how many shingles is needed to cover a roof. But now seeing you place the shingles and how cutting half a tab is necessary and how to align the shingles, I can see I would have given the wrong estimate. Now I feel I can make a calculating software that will tell you how many shingles based on what I've seen. Thanks for the video.
In some states including mine it is ok to shingle over a three tab roof one time. I dont recommend it because most houses have some sort of plywood damage underneath and if its an insurance job they wont cover it unless there is a tear off. If you do shingle over make sure you use atleast a 1 1/4 nail or longer. hope this helps! Take care!
Just want to say thanks for the post. I know how to put them on , BUT because of three major back surgery's ,I can't even pick up a single bundle .SO my son and his two friends are going to do it this weekend . I will be getting them started . Mainly marking the lines and getting them going . PRAY for me ( ha ha )
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Your presentation is beautiful. I would like to point out that according to all the roofing manufactures you're supposed to remove the three tab from the starter shingle and nail approximately four nails to secure the shingle. Next, according to them, you're not supposed to nail on the tar line but in between the tar line and above the slit. No disrespect intended.
Watching you was far better than reading and looking at pictures. You stopped all the confusion and now, I'm going to do my first roof with 3 tab shingles. Thanks a million. Oh, and thanks to your girl for doing such a fine filming job.
I am doing this method in your video. Great video BTW. I have a question, I am going to have a drip edge and a gutter. What would my measurement numbers be? Yours are 12, 30 and 36. With gutters what would they be?
Thank You!!!!!! You have no idea how many videos I’ve watched trying to get the snap line measurements. Everyone took the time to show how to lay the shingles but without the snap line info what is the use of their not going to be straight.
Thank you for your help. I hired a couple of Mexican guys to do my patio roof and they did not over-hang the shingles. Now rain-water is leaking between the gutters and the edge of the roof. A very sloppy job. One tip for everyone: IF YOU WANT THE JOB DONE RIGHT, DO IT YOURSELF!!
I may have missed it in the video but why are the starter rows placed vertically up the gable end? I have seen this done before but don't know why. I'm about to start shingling my pub shack with engineered shingles.
I'm puzzled by this. I thought one of the reasons for using a starter course was to have the adhesive tar strips close to the leading edge of the roof, so as to assist in keeping the front of the shingles "glued" down. You accomplish this by cutting the tabs off. Here, the whole shingle is being used, with the tar strips in the middle.
Your right. The way he is showing at one point at the starter you’ll have 4 layers of shingles. Which causes the shingles to dip down above the 4layer and collect water and rot your sheathing out. When he cut the tab off the bottom you have 3 layers plus the glue strip at the bottom.
Great vid. Just one question. Do you alternate every shingles 30 inch, and 36 inch all the way up? Also, do you complete each row across before starting next row. Thanks for the great vids
I'm in NC just south of Fort Bragg. So no added benefit, other than being quicker? Any thoughts on the aluminum roofing? Easy to install or would it be better to hire a crew?
Now your first course and your rake edges aren't sealed allowing it to be more susceptible to wind. Why not use real starter strip or cut the tabs off completely allowing the tar strip to be at the bottom. Your wind warranty is now void with any manufacture.
Thank you for posting. I am going to attempt to do my garage this summer. Can this same basic concept be used over the old shingles? (There is only one layer on there and I have already checked with our building codes.) Any advice will be helpful!
Some mistrusting viewers will say that roofing contractors only put that bead on their own roof. This way they secure a return job 15 years down the road. If you caulk, then it will hold up 25 years and then who will pay for the new pickup truck? Same thing when I learned shoe repair, I was taught if you use the proper glue and nails, then the customer will not be back until 7 years later for new soles. Putting fewer nails and less glue means you will get another job in 2 years.
I've never seen a roof run that way not saying it's wrong but we have always cut with a cross step ups at the top of the three tab shingles are little perforated lines and you use them with a 16 inch tri square and cut them them. 12 ''18 '' 24'' 30 inch step ups and that's what we used to stagger the shingles off the roof. the way you're doing that there's only 1 step back and forth the shingles are constantly always 6 inches zig zag going up the roof? interesting it seems to be a lot simpler the way you're doing it, probably a lot less waste as well
I mark horizontal lines every 10 inchs on three tabs and every 11 inchs on architectural type shingles. This will give you something to refer to every two rows. It helps keep the shingles running straight. You don't have to worry about vertical 30" and 36" lines with architectural shingles because there is no bond to follow. Hope this helps. Have a great day!
ok you flip you starters to seal to your first row but what seals your starters to the roof? wouldnt that create a wind flap and pocket to hold water and ice
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Oops, accidently hit the thumbs down but soon hit the thumbs up. This answers every question I had before starting my small gable end shed roof, thanks hillbilly!
Yes because the shingles are 12 inch's wide. That line going vertical is 12" from the point that you want it to hang past the facia board. I like to have the shingles hanging past the facia about 1 and 1/4 inch's. Hope this helps.
On the short shingles I noticed you did not put a nail at the short end. Can you explain why this is not needed? Also why do you need to high nail the ends of each full shingle?
i always cut the starter shingles progressively, full shingle, missing a half tab,missing a full tab, half a shingle, one tab and a half tab, when cutting the shingles i do it in advance and make a left hand and right hand pile of each size, than ill lay out one of each starter from the left hand and bring them all across with full shingles then finish with the appropriate right hand pile and cut any excess, maybe thats over thinking it but seems to have minimal waste
It's way easier laying rake edge first then cutting that 6 inches off the tab and butt up full shingle to the rake for your eave starter then full shingle over that. Either gauge your rows with your gun or chalk lines. To just lay the shingle to the top of that key way is more of a guessing game and inexact and of course slower
So I was taught the starter shingles are shingles with the tabs cut off so the sticky line is at the very bottom and will prevent wind from getting under your first row. Is that right?
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP !! I removed some shingles to replace some plywood....I just dont know how to put the new ones back on. Do I just follow the pattern from the botton up?
Chalk lines guarantee straight lines. Just because someone uses chalk lines doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing, they just prefer to do a better looking job than someone who does everything by eye. Obviously a bit of both is required but they definitely are a good thing to use.
THIS IS A VERY VERY GOOD TAPE SHOWING THE RIGHT WAY OF GETTING STARTED
Your daughter is a pro she did a very good job, I learnt quite a bit from your video; thanks
I've been in construction for about 8 years. I wish this video was around back when I got started would have saved me a ton of trial and error. Great job making it simple for people just starting out.
Brett Edmonds Thank you Brett, I appreciate the compliment. And thanks for watching and commenting. Have a great day.
Watched this for a minute as a quick refresher to start a roof in the next few days, haven't been on one in a while. Good video man.
Great tips man....spot on. Kudos to your daughter for being game to make the video.
Thank you and your daughter for your help. I am a 66 years old (woman) and I just finished half of my tool sheds roof, wish we hadn't built it so high, seven ft. would have been easier.
Climbing on top was scary. Hip roof is not the best way to go for a 6 x 8 building. I prayed the whole time I was up there lol , was glad when I ran out of shingles , I needed the break ! . But believe I will complete it !
I used to do an upside down shingle for the first row, but I've found that Start-a-roll shingle starter is cheaper, so I use it now. Also, I always do the 6-nail pattern, not the 4-nail pattern shown here. This is one of the reasons I love construction so much, 1,001 ways to correctly do a job. Great job!!
Technically 12 nail
For 3 tab
Building a new shed/chicken coop. Putting shingles on today. This really helped. Thanks!
This is Awesome, Thanks for posting, In Ireland I never learned how to do this cause we didn't use shingles, You just saved me a ton of money, now I can do this on my own house :) , I will pay it forward. Your daughter did a great job with the camera.
Kevin Donohoe Thanks Kevin. Always like to hear when we are able to help. It's great having my daughter as my videographer on some of my videos, thank you for the compliment. We appreciate you watching and commenting. Have a great day!
minthillbilly thanks for the video now I know,I repaired my roof right when I fixed a,rotten spot.
I would like to thank you for taking time out of your busy day for showing me this info. Have a great day, and be safe.
Thanks Bob! This gave me the confidence to put shingles on my chicken coop! I saved tons of money by doing it myself!
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Just what I needed. Thanks to you, (and your daughter) for the help.
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Just started 3 tab roofing after doing architectural shingles for many years and this was perfect for starting
Great video, That starter shingle got me. Never thought of cutting off the end and not nailing the end.
Thanks from subscriber 288,783. This has helped me a lot,, Does this make me a roofer?, no but it's good to have some wisdom from someone that knows... Thanks again.
There are also slots on every 3-tab shingle that will tell you exactly where next should sit both vertically and horizontally. These "slots" are located on the perimeter of the shingle. The slots that tell you where your 6" mark is are located at the top(6' from each end). The "slots" that tell you how high the shingle should sit on the one beneath it are located on each end of the shingle slightly above the tar line.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. You and your daughter make good working partners. Many years ago in his youth my husband helped a roofer. Your instruction was very clear, her pictures right on, and the grand kids will have a roof on the play house thanks to you! Cheers
Heya i am for the first time here. I found this video and I find it truly useful & it helped me out much. I hope to provide one thing back and aid others such as you helped me.
Thank you very much. I work at Home Depot and have done handyman work on the side. Roofing has always been a puzzle because customers ask how many shingles they need. I have a problem calculating because I know there is an overlap, so calculating the sq ft of a shingle will not really help calculating how many shingles is needed to cover a roof. But now seeing you place the shingles and how cutting half a tab is necessary and how to align the shingles, I can see I would have given the wrong estimate. Now I feel I can make a calculating software that will tell you how many shingles based on what I've seen. Thanks for the video.
Great video dude! Just what I needed for a refresher. Not too much info but also not missing any info. Perfect instructions, thank you.
this couldn't have been better. thanks for the help
thank You for taking the time out to make all of your videos. They are all so informative and look forward to watching them all eventually. God Bless
In some states including mine it is ok to shingle over a three tab roof one time. I dont recommend it because most houses have some sort of plywood damage underneath and if its an insurance job they wont cover it unless there is a tear off. If you do shingle over make sure you use atleast a 1 1/4 nail or longer. hope this helps! Take care!
Just want to say thanks for the post. I know how to put them on , BUT because of three major back surgery's ,I can't even pick up a single bundle .SO my son and his two friends are going to do it this weekend . I will be getting them started . Mainly marking the lines and getting them going . PRAY for me ( ha ha )
Yes! Someone who explains it up close.
thanks man. I have not done this since I was 14 and I forgot how to start.
Thank you. This video is super helpful. A real solid compact information video.
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Minthillbilly does a great job installing the starter course on this roof. Nice job. :-)
Your presentation is beautiful. I would like to point out that according to all the roofing manufactures you're supposed to remove the three tab from the starter shingle and nail approximately four nails to secure the shingle. Next, according to them, you're not supposed to nail on the tar line but in between the tar line and above the slit.
No disrespect intended.
You make this seem easy! Thanks to you both for such a good video.
Phu Q You're welcome. Thank you for watching and commenting. Have a great day.
Watching you was far better than reading and looking at pictures. You stopped all the confusion and now, I'm going to do my first roof with 3 tab shingles. Thanks a million. Oh, and thanks to your girl for doing such a fine filming job.
Thanks Bobby. Appreciate this posting
I am doing this method in your video. Great video BTW. I have a question, I am going to have a drip edge and a gutter. What would my measurement numbers be? Yours are 12, 30 and 36. With gutters what would they be?
Thank you Martha! Have a great day!
Thank you. Very clear and helpful.
Very useful,
Thanks for the video,
Harry
well. thank you and your daughter keep making vids.
now time for me to get burn tomorrow morning lol
Thanks Bobby,this is helpful.
Thank You!!!!!! You have no idea how many videos I’ve watched trying to get the snap line measurements. Everyone took the time to show how to lay the shingles but without the snap line info what is the use of their not going to be straight.
Do you have any videos on how to lay shingles in a valley? Would love to see one like that. Thanks for all your videos.
Great Video. Thanks for creating this.
Good detail, I watched several videos like this and they left out the small description like were to line them up and why
Perfect, exactly what I needed to know. Great vid, thanks for posting.
Thanks for the info. Very helpful !!!
thank you great help I got to do a small patio roof this helped thanks
I start with a tab and a half shingle, use the other half on the other side of the roof, prevent waste.
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Ya, thats not how you lay down a starter....your sapposed to cutt the shingle in half longways and nail the part with out the tabs....
Ur a real shingler I’ve said it once I will say it again
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for this!
great job guys
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Very nice work. Good explaining.
Great job man keep up the good work!
Thank you very much! Have a great day!
Thank you for your help. I hired a couple of Mexican guys to do my patio roof and they did not over-hang the shingles. Now rain-water is leaking between the gutters and the edge of the roof. A very sloppy job. One tip for everyone: IF YOU WANT THE JOB DONE RIGHT, DO IT YOURSELF!!
thank you this was very helpful!
yes it was very helpful thank you
Thank you! Glad you found the video helpful
very good viedio thanks for sharing
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yea, quite helpful! nice job!
I may have missed it in the video but why are the starter rows placed vertically up the gable end? I have seen this done before but don't know why. I'm about to start shingling my pub shack with engineered shingles.
Excellent short and informative video.
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Does this only apply to 3 tab shingle or can this be applied to Architectural asphalt shingles. Thank you
I'm puzzled by this. I thought one of the reasons for using a starter course was to have the adhesive tar strips close to the leading edge of the roof, so as to assist in keeping the front of the shingles "glued" down. You accomplish this by cutting the tabs off. Here, the whole shingle is being used, with the tar strips in the middle.
Your right. The way he is showing at one point at the starter you’ll have 4 layers of shingles. Which causes the shingles to dip down above the 4layer and collect water and rot your sheathing out. When he cut the tab off the bottom you have 3 layers plus the glue strip at the bottom.
Thanks so much that has made this really clear.
Your welcome! Glad you found the video helpful. Take care!
great video thank you
just wondering what is the difference on cutting the tab or not for starter strip?some do some not
bro I have learned a lot form your video I have a question how much psi show I but to my gun form compressor so I won't overdriven the shingles thanks
Thank you! Glad the video was helpful
Great vid. Just one question. Do you alternate every shingles 30 inch, and 36 inch all the way up? Also, do you complete each row across before starting next row. Thanks for the great vids
What's your thoughts on shingling over the existing roof. Is it a good idea or do you not recommend doing it.
your welcome! Have a great day!
I'm in NC just south of Fort Bragg. So no added benefit, other than being quicker? Any thoughts on the aluminum roofing? Easy to install or would it be better to hire a crew?
Hey I was wondering what your chalk line are measured out at, and if you would measure them out the same with architectural shingles. Thanks
Now your first course and your rake edges aren't sealed allowing it to be more susceptible to wind. Why not use real starter strip or cut the tabs off completely allowing the tar strip to be at the bottom. Your wind warranty is now void with any manufacture.
Thank you for posting. I am going to attempt to do my garage this summer. Can this same basic concept be used over the old shingles? (There is only one layer on there and I have already checked with our building codes.) Any advice will be helpful!
I was wondering why you didn't put a bead of blackjack on the eave metal before the first shingle?
Some mistrusting viewers will say that roofing contractors only put that bead on their own roof. This way they secure a return job 15 years down the road. If you caulk, then it will hold up 25 years and then who will pay for the new pickup truck?
Same thing when I learned shoe repair, I was taught if you use the proper glue and nails, then the customer will not be back until 7 years later for new soles. Putting fewer nails and less glue means you will get another job in 2 years.
I've never seen a roof run that way not saying it's wrong but we have always cut with a cross step ups at the top of the three tab shingles are little perforated lines and you use them with a 16 inch tri square and cut them them. 12 ''18 '' 24'' 30 inch step ups and that's what we used to stagger the shingles off the roof. the way you're doing that there's only 1 step back and forth the shingles are constantly always 6 inches zig zag going up the roof? interesting it seems to be a lot simpler the way you're doing it, probably a lot less waste as well
I mark horizontal lines every 10 inchs on three tabs and every 11 inchs on architectural type shingles. This will give you something to refer to every two rows. It helps keep the shingles running straight. You don't have to worry about vertical 30" and 36" lines with architectural shingles because there is no bond to follow. Hope this helps. Have a great day!
Love it!
is it wrong to run the starter row all the way around then start after you have finished the starter row?
ok you flip you starters to seal to your first row but what seals your starters to the roof? wouldnt that create a wind flap and pocket to hold water and ice
Do I need to do a starter strip if there is a layer of shingles on the roof. That I’m going over? Thanks
Nice video thanks!
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Oops, accidently hit the thumbs down but soon hit the thumbs up. This answers every question I had before starting my small gable end shed roof, thanks hillbilly!
Great video , am I missing something You measure 10'" on the horizontal and 12" on the vertical for your starter strips .
Yes because the shingles are 12 inch's wide. That line going vertical is 12" from the point that you want it to hang past the facia board. I like to have the shingles hanging past the facia about 1 and 1/4 inch's. Hope this helps.
Thank you great video .
On the short shingles I noticed you did not put a nail at the short end. Can you explain why this is not needed? Also why do you need to high nail the ends of each full shingle?
Why even use starter strips on the gable? Won't a bead of adhesive on the membrane next to the cable (or rake) work just as well?
i always cut the starter shingles progressively, full shingle, missing a half tab,missing a full tab, half a shingle, one tab and a half tab, when cutting the shingles i do it in advance and make a left hand and right hand pile of each size, than ill lay out one of each starter from the left hand and bring them all across with full shingles then finish with the appropriate right hand pile and cut any excess, maybe thats over thinking it but seems to have minimal waste
Thx , this have help
Thanks
did you pre peel those or is the plastic still on them?
@@marionamewontwork2681 If you’re talking about the plastic on the back that keeps the tar from sticking while bundled, then I leave it on.
@@minthillbilly yeah thats what I meant. Thank you
Thank you!
It's way easier laying rake edge first then cutting that 6 inches off the tab and butt up full shingle to the rake for your eave starter then full shingle over that.
Either gauge your rows with your gun or chalk lines. To just lay the shingle to the top of that key way is more of a guessing game and inexact and of course slower
So I was taught the starter shingles are shingles with the tabs cut off so the sticky line is at the very bottom and will prevent wind from getting under your first row. Is that right?
You’re right.
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP !!
I removed some shingles to replace some plywood....I just dont know how to put the new ones back on. Do I just follow the pattern from the botton up?
Chalk lines guarantee straight lines. Just because someone uses chalk lines doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing, they just prefer to do a better looking job than someone who does everything by eye. Obviously a bit of both is required but they definitely are a good thing to use.
I'm glad the video was helpful for you and I thank you for the comment! Have a great day!
Incomprehensible
Should I start cutting shingles each time after I completed all 3 rows of layout ? .
Most often I see is cutting 6" off each row, for 6 rows, then go back to a full shingle.
Are they 39 5/8th inch shingles
Why are you nailing the nail closest to the drip edge so high?