LOW ELO players don't get WHY K'SANTE IS BROKEN 🙄
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Fundamentals: play K'sante if youre good
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K'sante is an easy champ to play. Just play him even if you're bad and I promise your winrate will increase.
@@dazeen9591my 0-5-0 kda against Olaf: 🫥
@@ruutjormun2262k'sante is bad in low elo for the same reason champs like ryze and shen are. He can't play 1/3rd or 2/3rds of his playstyle/kit because of his teammates not understanding how to play around him.
For example. The low elo adc who hard shoves all game on the immobile adc with a leona support vs a blitzcrank.
Cool bro. Let me just tower dive blitzcrank level 2/3 as leona when we KNOW our jg is top and theres is bot.
Then the adc complains about you not doing anything. Meanwhile, you leave enemy tower for .2 seconds to ward the river bush and his screen turns grey.
Those are why champs like K'Sante aren't good in low elo. Theres tons of champs that can crush him, he is just rewarded for building defensive items. 😊
Wanna hear funny story? After K’sante nerfs, somewhere few months ago. I had this really “fun” game with ksante. I played with Pantheon
My main problem with K'sante is that he doesn't feel like a tank when you play him. So yeah sure he has really tankt stats but you end up playing him like a fighter
its because he is a fighter. in all out form, he loses 45% max hp and 85% of bonous resistances.
@@samshav6576 sure but during the rest of the game you’re still a tank. He only _truly_ becomes a fighter in is R form. Even THEN he _always_ feels like a fighter to play because of his rythm.
@@samshav6576notice how you said in form, and scaling off of resistances.
So first, your stats differ yes, but your items are still tank items. Like you still go stoneplate, frozen/jak/Sunfire etc. Which effects how you play.
Also, tanks still do a lot of dmg. Take mumu, Zac, Tahm, even Maokai can kill squishes. But more importantly the reason they are tanks, is theirs ability to crowd control, on top of having an ability that makes them tanky. Rammaus as example, has W. He's not that tanky without it.
Ksante has the ability to shield himself constantly, multiple forms of cc, and unstoppable.
So its like yeah he trades that off but his kit without it, or with it, isn't necessarily better. Its just different. So yeah, just like Ornn can one shot combo an Irelia or even Darius with full health. Ksante does take a more mechanical approach, and he's not as straight forward as Amumu hits Q ult I did what I did. Which mumi even takes conq but that doesn't make them more fighters just because they can.
Because Ksante has all the tools of a tank and strengths are centered around it it's jusr his value isn't as straight forward as Ornn pressing R into E for a pick or cc
That is good
@@samshav6576 When to use his all out form?
He just unironically explained why so many players hate riven
that would mean riven has only matchups where she goes even :D
the part with low elo dosent know how to pilot her and high elo she is broken is true
but she is garbage in pro play and she has a lot of hard counters where she cant play at all.
try to play vs a equaly good renekton/malphite/poppy
other hard matchups could be kennen/quinn/pantheon/urgot
Another thing is, if Riven falls behind, the game is realistically over for her. You have to get ahead on Riven since your base numbers are ass, so you need items to be useful
K'sante will always be useful by virtue of being a tank with high mobility and better cc than riven. Even if he gets dicked down in lane, he can stun a target for more than Riven's 1.5 from q3 and w. That, and he'll live longer.
Ah yes cause Riven can totally play the game into Poppy, Olaf, Pantheon, Warwick & Kennen.
And she’s totally not a dog shit champ from behind at all!
Copium. Tanks fundamentally cannot fall behind because their items are cheaper and much more stat heavy.
Plus their kits are also different;
Riven is a mixup oriented champ, if you are predictable with her it’s easy to counter.
K’sante is a disrupter, he just does Riven things because he can.
Eg.) Riven has to dodge while fighting. K’sante? Unstoppable!
Rivens CC is determined by her position and use of her Q and W timings in a small AOE. K’sante? YASOU TORNADO! ZERI WALL RIDE!
Like come on 😂 comparing K’sante to any other champ is borderline insane. Only other champ that even comes close to his versatility is…. *drum rollllll* JAX!! Wow who would of guessed! The other 1v9 champion! NO WAYYY!!!!
@@dripapproved1582You just had a mental breakdown because of a videogame
@@shtwayft6448 classic league moment
“This is K'Sante, a champion with 4,700 HP, 329 Armor, and 201 MR, has Unstoppable, a Shield, and goes over walls. Has Airborne, and the cooldown is only 1 second too. It costs 15 Mana. The W CD is even refreshed when he transforms. He has true damage on his passive. Then, when he stacks Armor and MR, he gets Ability Haste too, Ability Haste to his Q, and his spell casting speeds up. Then, he has an AD ratio, so his W..."
And also the worst champ in the game
He has mana costs?
@@Digger-Nickit doesn’t make him the worst champ in the game if you repeat it under every comment btw
@@cristianoyagmurdzhy9535 Good thing your redundant statement isn't factual right?
Nice I got this reference 😂
So basically, K'Sante is the opposite of Malphite: you actually need to turn your computer on to play him
My boy Malphite catching strays, atleast he exists to make those range top matches not a living hell.
@@sako2239yea yknow what as much as I hate malphite Q-comet poke it does keep the ranged tops on their toes I appreciate y’all for that no cap
@@Crona_Gowther_Kanato Yeah malpth Q/comet and Susan E/comet makes range top especially against Vane viable for low elo players like XD.
@@sako2239who the hell is Susan
@@regulardudeguy Nasus but backwards
only thing i remember about k'sante is showmaker being extremely tilted and starts ranting about him whenever he's fighting one.
When I started playing K’sante I had a 42% wr on my first 30 games with him. It’s now 63%. Wish I could play league more before they gut this guy. He is so good at everything.
Low key wukong top does pretty well against him. Still isn’t like a hard counter but doesn’t feel oppressive.
there was a reason why he is banned often on high elo
Wu is one of the strongest early game champs, he beats everyone early
See I just never had a problem against ksante as garen. Ever trues to ult you, yeah just ultimately back and fights done.
@@erikschaeffer8419 the hardest counter, beside that i barely see a good sante lose lane
@khietnguyen9505 renekton also deals with him pretty well too. I just dont see good kesantes I guess
As a master Gwen onetrick player, I can confidently say that Gwen is a nightmare for Ksante (43% winrate against Gwen lol). I literally always win lane while not being that tryhard, even against the really good ones!
the problem is gwen cant play lane if ksante has brain
drututt is a really really good gwen and she even got a kill early againts ksante but after he bought the 50mr item he straight up won the 1v1s
obv your better in mid/late game but your not winning lane againts a ksante who is really really good which i dont expect anyone except high chal
@@Rangerxz Gwen vs Ksante is actually a skill matchup. Even though Gwen has the kit to beat him, it's not an auto win. You have to hit Q sweetspot consistently, so if he's better and dodges the Qs he can win trades and eventually kill you cuz his damage is bs.
@@fidyy_ you are not landing q sweetspots on a ksante thats really good
but i agree with everyrhing else you said
@@Rangerxzsend Q+E when he Q-s , he cant dash for 0,35 seconds of his Q animation
@@lkar4ikyou are asking him to use his brain?! Blasphemy
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I played against him twice once as teemo once as mordekaiser.
the teemo game was great I won lane and same for my team.
The Morde one I bullied him hard and won lane early on but my team was struggling and I was the only carry so we basically lost every teamfight lategame
Tanks are teamfight champs, not hypercarries. So even if you hardstomp lane and have the rest lose or be even, the tank can change the tide of teamfights drastically, all they need is to soak damage and CC.
@@pyroteknikk3127 Mordekaiser is Juggernaut tho...
@@walkelftexasranger yeah, he hardstomped as mordekaiser but K'sante had a better team and was able to utilize his kit better with said better team. If it was the opposite and Morde lost while K'sante stomped with a worse team, then him stomping lane wouldn't have made a difference either
Mr.K'sante 😂
But low elo players being bad doesn't explain K'sante's numbers at all. There are lots of champion that are good in pro play and bad in low elo cause they're hard, and none of them have a winrate disparity like K'sante. The theory only works if you think K'sante is by far the hardest champ in the game. It's not just low elo, he is 46% winrate in masters+, under 48% in challenger, but he's broken in pro play. It has to be something to do with what he provides being more valuable in a pro game than it is in a solo q game
Cus in pro scene they understand what to do when ksente become fighter mode
His numbers seem pretty similar to Akali
In a teamfight of a pro play team, you can perfectly prepare who take take away, who to knock up and who to shield. I think it's pretty similar to the Sejuani situation where her kit is very strong but can only really shine with top tier team coordination.
With perfect coordination, K'sante just becomes a Yasuo with 200+ armor and MR
I mean K'Sante a couple months after release actually was the champion who gained the most winrate by champ mastery out of every champ in the game according to Phreak, before K'Santes release that was nidalee
Would say it's similar to renekton. He's not played in pro for any single reason he's played in solo.
He's only picked in pro because he's impossible to counter and dive and can be blinded. Also gas very easy jungle set up
I SWEAR SINGED AGGINST K'SANTE
ITS A HARD COUNTER
Pinkward: Oh no Mr K'sante!
Meanwhile I play Nasus vs Ksante, i get camped most of the time, Ksante doesnt let me stack early in game and harasses me in lane for me not to be able to get any cs. But somehow, I still manage to scale and win the game for my team. This is Grandmaster tier
One big thing is when to use his Ult and on who.
Perma ult adc or jungler eliminate the strongest champ they have and pray it's not lovers Q
Nah, its not that he doesnt get "counteted", its that hes so effective with such little gold that even WHILE countered, he still performs his job very well. Shyvana, fiora, vayne, rumble all do exceptionally well into ksante laning
your info is literally mint every single time
k'sante is insanely fun. been playing him and riven a lot recently.
From an adc's perspective, ksante feels useless, because he can never touch me without flash or doing a predictable r through one of my teammates that I can generally avoid. I've never understood why there's a problem with him in pro play where I'd think this would be abused
What elo are you?
@@Rivencrck masters
try playing anything in top against him, its impossible to win lane
@@tomasguerra5675 right but I'm not talking about Laning phase. If we consider that ksante goes even or ahead as a team fighting tank, where is his team fight utility when he seems to have 0 way of affecting ranged champs without having a flash advantage. Granted, trading 1f1 flash against an enemy carry could be worth, but malphite can get a flash without using his, and he can also go even in almost every lane. So what makes ksante any better than malphite?
@@lord_of_cheddar9695 the fact that he is tanky as malphite and can turn into an assasin on command
I'll be burned at the stake for this but I think K'sante requires much more mechanical knowledge than Riven.
I kind of agree but ksante is infinitely more forgiving of a champ to play even if you are mediocre. If you dont know what youre doing with riven you get ass blasted
@@Bp-mg1qkI do agree that the skill floor is higher, but honestly it’s not by a huge amount. All you really *need* to learn on her is the faster auto weaving and how to do her basic combos.
The real difference is that when you hit ksante’s skill floor he just becomes really annoying to punish, but he only really gets threatening when he hits 6, whereas when you hit Riven’s skill floor she instantly becomes super oppressive in a lot of matchups from level 1
its not just that you can at worst go even its that he is probably one of the best scaling viable tops
Definetly gonna miss the old version of riven😢
There is also that snowballing with K'sante is far more powerfull than any other tank
Dude these songs, so good, Tieduprightnow - Parcels
Ksante Vs Olaf is really hard. U take a lot of damage, can't apply any c..
My friend is main Ksante and he always tells us how Garen can Kill Ksante with ult as soon as Ksante ults
the thing is why would you ult on ksante against a garen in the first place? he doesnt really have any kill pressure on you, his E doesnt do enough damage. in mid to late game teamfights i can see garen countering ksante ult but i dont see how garen can beat a ksante early game. its another neutralised lane
Ap matchups like rumble counter ksante very hard. Ksante is only broken when he can build iceborne, and guarantees landing his Qs while he slows you to oblivion. Not being able to build iceborne makes him alot harder to play. Also, laning phase is where you can really shut him down. His mana costs are really high now, and there are some champs that can outsustain him.
Ok but after laning phase you just lose no? How do you play out team fights?
Tank Cho into ksante is great if you go even with heartsteel by like late mid game you’re gonna be crushing him so easily
What do you think about a good Olaf matchup ive seen its hard for ksante
Spacing issue as Alois said. While the True Damage from Olaf E is annoying, you do have a shield to help mitigate that, and the Olaf Q run-it-down isn't super bad because K'sante's Q also slows down or even knocks up/stuns. The real problem is that Olaf becomes unkillable at level 6 unless the Olaf player makes the mistakes because they can simply hold R until you use your own R, cancelling the kidnap. Thing is as Alois said, you don't lose to him with proper trading/spacing, you would just go even instead.
Olaf will never touch you if you play the match up well.
@@walkelftexasrangerthat matchup is even insanely Olaf favored in pro play lmao
I mean I think the main issue is just the fact that he has the ability to stop being a tank whenever he wants and turn on skirmisher mode meaning he can overcome the low damage and high HP (higher HP only being a problem into some matchups however in those matchups it can be quite detrimental as it allows the other player to heal WAY more champs like Gwen mord etc who have lots of pen and %HP damage that heals or shields them) problem tanks have and convert into a nimble and very annoying skirmisher while retaining tank tools like CC damage resistance unstoppability and shielding. Also the kit allowing him to have 3 dashes, a pseudo hook/knock displacement ability, (with almost no CD or mana cost) great AOE waveclear with no items, a perma slow, shielding, very high damage resistance for a significant duration, another displacement with a stun attached, shielding, ally shielding, mobility through walls (sometimes), a point and click long duration displacement/kidnapping ability, and a transformer mode with a critical ability reset attached and a massive amount of extra damage is not very healthy as it means he is good into poke champs, all in champs, CC champs, high mobility champs, and even high durability champs using his passive. Due to all these things being tied to only 4 abilities though and some of them having somewhat egregious cooldowns he is a bit harder to play because despite having all these crazy tools if you don’t know when you need to use each one and don’t have the reaction time to use them optimally (blocking CC or shielding a projectile or something) then the champ loses all these crazy features because you locked yourself behind CDs without getting the crazy utility the spells offered. It makes the champ have a crazy power difference between skill levels
So? You think he becomes an unkillable murder machine just by pressing R? You think he should always just use R at the very start of a fight?
@@pyroteknikk3127 remember where I said using the tools optimally you should read that part it shows that I understand that you have to time each ability correctly and use them to properly evade damage CC or whatever else and I also understand that using his ult requires the correct situation and timing I am not stupid and if you read the comment you would have noticed that
Ksante problem in a nutshell: Imagine a tank that's as fast as a bullet train and shoots mini nukes.
does poppy hard counter??
The problem of ksante is the distrobution of his power budget, he has almost everything u need in a champion but every champion is better than him at some things, a good ksante player will know when to use every ability and how depending on the circumstances
Ornn is actually a decent pick against Ksante. I am bronze who was placed against a gold ksante and ksante just kept losing until he turns the fight around with a blunder i make.
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I won lane as a yorick playing vs a k sante the jungler was perma ganking
Explain it like this. He just got a mini rework with 46 changes to his kit.... how many champions even have 46 changeable parts of their kit in the first place
Warwick: u sure about that?
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He has an offmeta hardcounter but its priveledged info.
Ooo, Parcels. Nice music taste.
K’Sante is just bad game design. Riot does this often: release a champ with broken mechanics and never change or rework them because that doesn’t equate to sales, only the game being better and more fun, which we know riot thinks is meaningless
I might be low elo, but when I first tried this champion I started to question every word in his kit. Why does he have so many max hp scaling dmg? Even in his tank form? Was is that hard to just give him flat values that are kinda meh and focus more on his ability to zone and cc? Then in his dps form. Why true dmg? Why not just magic damage, like the types of champs you gonna focus with it are not tanks, and then even, it would just be better in a fight to kidnap them and then fuck off back to your team. That was when he came out, idk how it is today. I do t like his play style, he’s everything I hate about tanks, too much dmg for no reason
Try playing k Sante into rumble :)
Oh god
Winrate rlly doesn’t mean much when majority of players suck ass at the game. A champ could literally be the best character in game but require actual skill. And will still lose 90% of time. It’s why we say “skill diff”
This is how I feel with Azir when it comes to mid
Me laughing as AP Yorick 🤭
K'Sante has a low wr even in challenger. But you know what champion for almost every patch for years has had above a 50% wr in plat+ always sitting at a 51-53.5% wr in Diamond plus+ oh yea Riven. Used to main her back in the day but ever since they changed cdr to ability haste the champion has become so forgiving that majority of the time a mistake doesn't even matter so even the 5-10 games on Riven players have been popping off. And facing the actual mediocre or good Riven player is just simply unfair now. Every ranked game I play (100 lp masters) I got against a Riven player who are 20x worse than the Rivens I played vs years ago but they are just so much harder to beat now because they just ruined the difficulty of the champ.
Sounds like a good champ. I fucking hate counterpicks. Which is why I only play aatrox atm.
Very fun to play pantheon and then enemy picks malphite
Doesn't aatrox lose to gwen and pantheon?
@@ryle2814 He has hard matchups, but not unplayable ones.
Pantheon is good vs him like till level 5, after that aatrox is doing fine. Have to play super safe till then. Definetely a harder one to play around, similar to fiora.
I think I never played vs gwen as aatrox lol, so idk
Ksante after over a year only has one counter in pro: mordekaiser kidnapping him to Brazil. And teams will just ban morde and first pick ksante if they really want him.
so going even in lane as ksante means u lost in higher elo ?
Ksante gets hard countered by tryndamere. I've been on both sides of that laning phase and all tryn has to do is stick to ksante and bash him. Ksante doesnt have much of an escape, most of his tools are for sticking to the enemy which tryndamere appreciates.
I've never lost to Trynd as K'sante, I know how to pilot him and a Trynd lane is so free as I rush frozen heart or randuins.
@@pyroteknikk3127just survive his cheese attempts until gauntlet and you are good
why? it feels like ksante should be insane into trynd since he can buy alot of time with his double W and shields and mobility. not to mention trynd being generally squishy outside of ulti
I'm confused. Is this not good high skill ceiling design? Bad pilots are bad, and good pilots are impressive. If he's the hardest tank champ to play, and if you get good enough that you can win/go even with any character, it sounds like anyone complaining need to reconsider your skill 🤷♂️
If they gotta do the most to beat you/ go even and you're just running your own thing then I don't think many people have much room to complain
Up in high elo lol bro
Yea if your skill is top notch level, and the enemy K'sante's skill is also top notch level, then he automatically shits on you despite both of your skill are just as high as eachother.
How fair is that?
@@geffi3077 yep
@@geffi3077 if he shits on you, then you weren't on the same level
@@geffi3077You just described riven in high elo if rene or malphite wasnt picked into her my guy.
I can see why ksante is so cancer even in gold. You NEVER see him down there, but once in a blue moon a good ksante gets in your game and you don’t know wtf to do. The character is the best tank without R, and the best fighter with R. Dude is overloaded.
If u r a bruiser player and u wanna play a tank, this guy is legit it
*Laughs in Garen and Cho Gath* xD lmao
I’ve mastered how to use ksante against low elo. I use w to stun and a then run. They can’t do anything and if I keep doing it they loose cs and I win lane.
What is the song un the back
basically azir/ryze and kalista
A champion 👤 with 4700 HP 💪 329 Armor 🤷♂ and 201 MR 💦 has Unstoppable🚫, a Shield🛡, and goes over walls 🧱, has Airborne 🌪, and cooldown is only 1 second too🕐 It costs 15 Mana🧙 The W CD is even refreshed when he transforms 💫 He has true damage 🗡 on his Passive. Then, when he stacks 📈 Armor and MR 🥋 he gets Ability Haste too ⏰ Ability Haste to his Q ⏰ and his spell casting speeds up 🚀
Then, he has an AD ratio 🗡 so he has W... W is like eee 😡 aaaaaaaaaaaa 😱😱
~Showmaker
Isn't Garen basically an impossible matchup for K'sante becayse every time K'sante ults, Garen can just insta kill him with Q+R?
Yea I buy sterak cage ksqntw if I'm countered that hard
Gwen. Just gwen.
Every tank is the hardest tank to play when u have bad teamates. You made a promise to soak damage while they did it. Sometimes they don't and they flame you shit sucks.
"He doesnt have actual counter, he cant lose lane, thats why i dislike him" well, thats can be said about jax aatrox and rumble too, and they can actually carry 1v9
That Ornn thing, I wouldn't agree 🐢
even ksante can stomp gwen, but when gwen scale, ksante do nothing XDXDXDXDXD
In my opinion, he does have 1 hard counter for sure, being olaf.
My first time ksante game was me destroying enemy team
He literally is broken. You can literally build him pure tank and still do a lot of damage. He has so many kits in his arsenal that makes him overpowered.
A 7/0 irelia would still be in a bit of trouble if a 1/8 Ksante catches her midfight
thats the eqquals reason the old asol have winrate posiitve but is not broken
Bro what parcels on a league video is illegal
Where’s the ksante unranked to master btw?
Rumble seems to work well vs ksante
this would be true if rumble was a real champion
Well, he do have a Hard counter that you cannot win unless you are good and your oponnent is bad, and its call gwen
Ironically, Garen, the easiest to play tank, hard counters K'sante, the hardest to play tank
"Lower MMR" yeah tell that to the 48.25% win rate he has in challenger
Fair point
I just got destroyed by a ksante in flexqueue, he was diamond last season (im an platinum/emerald player, his spacing was so annoying and his dmg is so high for a tank
Bro towerdove me and my jgl at 1 0 0 KDA with his 0 0 0 jgl
0 MATCHUP THAT HARD COUNTER HIM. Ever heard of urgot k'sante just make his life from 100 to 50 litteraly kills himself for ya to ult
ksante is easy champ imo, sure he might look complicated compared to garen, but he is actually like a tank yasuo with a fat Q and cc immunity. the issue is he gets so many stats and damage for free despite being a hyper mobile tank that can also somewhat shred tanks.
he doesnt have any mechanically hard combo like azir or riven, doesnt have as many additional things to do like aphelios or Hwei, doesnt have obvious weaknesses such as poke, mobility, sustain, cds, etc that other champs have. he is literally a tanky yasuo, and yasuo's main weakness (aside from the player using yasuo) is cc and being squishy... both things that do not apply to ksante.
imagine thinking people are in low mmr because of their skill
Ive never lost to a ksante with my sett. But at the same time i am what you’d call «silver 3 jimmy» Worse than gold 3 Timmy😂 so ive never met anyone skilled with ksante. My biggest issue is suddenly feeling like im getting stat checked when im actually really just outskilled cus for some reason riot has determined me silver 3 Max should be facing emeralds, plats and diamonds
I had to face 2 good K'Sante from now on he is a Permabann xD
I hate that they have to make the most fun tank turn into the most gutted champ. Id rather more champs play like ksante rather than like garen and malphite.
Kayle is the only champ I’ve had consistent success against KSante. And I main Camille who should in theory do super well against him
Both do well
Then Why isn't he high tear even in plat+ ?
Kayle counters ksante btw. Kayle can kite, but if she lets ksante touches her with iceborn gauntlet, then she's dead
Go Fiora with grasp against Ksante. So easy to stack grasp
I just went 1/5 against yasuo top on my 3rd time using Ksante on ranked. Then, I destroyed him with my jungler. We ended game on 9/6.
Yorick, Gwen are pretty hard matchups
yorick isnt
gwen maybe but yorick? in masters+? no way if a ksante can't dodge yorick e then he's just boosted
DISlike him? That's an odd take. I think we need MORE champions that are "fine" no matter whom they are up against. There needs to be more opportunities for skill expression and fewer "pick/ban phase loss" champions.
makes for a really boring and homogenous game then. At that point it would never matter who you pick and every laning phase would be the same. Shitty take imo
@@stairwaytoriven3823 That's... insane.
First off, it's a PvP game, and everyone plays differently, so every game experience is going to be different. This is LITERALLY the reason that LoL is so enduring.
Secondly, are you REALLY trying to say that characters that are fine into the vast majority of matchups have the same laning phase no matter which champion they are playing against and who is in control of that champion? You're not ACTUALLY making that argument, right?
I mean, the Four Horsewomen of Top are called what they are called because they don't really have any terrible matchups. They may have to play differently against certain champions, and they may have to adjust to how their opponent is playing, but if you are proficient on any of them and understand fundamentals and teamwork, you can come out just fine.
Despite this, you don't see serious calls to nerf them into the ground because of it. They are skill-expressive champions that are solid, relatively safe blind picks. We could use more of that in the game.
I don't know how long you have been playing LoL, but you don't seem to have a grasp of nuance.
@@Josh-99 if every character is even, Like K'sante is no matter how the laning phase goes it would be boring as fuck.
No, fuck that.
Those champions usually have strong neutral game and non-interactive gameplay (Pantheon, Aatrox, K'sante, Mundo, Jayce), which is extremely boring to play against.
@@walkelftexasranger I don't know about Mundo as I haven't really played him in years, but I don't think anyone would describe Aatrox, Jayce, and Pantheon as non-interactive. Unless they are up against a ranged top laner, such lanes are likely to be VERY active -- especially Jayce, who wants to use his strong neutral to poke down his opponent before committing to an all-in.
I'm confused as to why we wouldn't want more strong champions top lane. It's already a bit of an island and tends to get weaksided a lot because Herald is less valuable than Dragon. Having more champions that do well at all stages of the game encourages teams to start caring about top lane again.
Call me nostalgic, but I played during the initial release of the game when Nasus and Jax were popular picks that HAD to be controlled early in the game or they would dominate teamfights late in the game. People actually cared about top lane.
I never lost to a ksante with my yorick. He gets tanky a bit after jacksho, still he cant do shit even when he ults you away from maiden during laning phase. Basically the only thing he can do is sit quietly underturret while i slowly chop top turret down.
"no counter picks" camille darius garen...none at all...
Oh k'sante the tank fighter with every annoying mechanic in the game that makes it very hard to 1v1. He has 2 dashes 1 has unstoppable he has airborne and suspend both can't be clensed cc. His airborne is also a displacement and not just up and down so he can reposition the enemy. All while doing max%hp true damage passive cause every champ needs that. The only thing he is missing out of annoying mechanics is being manaless.... oh wait
Idk how ppl still dont understand how ksantes wr is what it is
I mean Olaf ? Pretty common Ksante counter pick even in pro play no?