AMD's New Ryzen 7 5700X3D & More AM4 CPUs, APU 8700G, 8600G, 8500G, & 8300G Specs
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
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AMD today announced its new Ryzen 7 5700X3D CPU, following-up the prior 5800X3D and 5600X3D on the AM4 platform. They also announced the 5600GT and 5500GT for AM4, plus a slew of new desktop APUs for AM5. Those include the 8600G, 8700G, 8500G, and 8300G. AMD also spent some time discussing its improved NPU on the mobile 8040 CPUs.
Note: AMD has sent a media notice out indicating two errors AMD made in its graphics. AMD did not catch its errors until about 10 hours after the company lifted the news embargo. AMD indicated that its errors were: The 8000G APUs stop at PCIe Gen4 support, not PCIe Gen5 and the 5500GT is 6C/12T, not 4C/8T. You can learn more here: • HW News - New AMD RX 7... (also contains 7600 XT news).
AMD also had news of its RX 7600 XT. We'll cover that in a separate news round-up.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - AMD's CPU Announcements
01:23 - AM4 Is Still Alive
02:57 - 5700X3D Specs & Price
05:10 - AMD R7 5700 Specs
06:10 - 5600GT & 5500GT
08:05 - AM5 APUs: 8700G & More
11:46 - Mobile 8040 CPUs
12:53 - Conclusion
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AMD has sent a media notice out indicating two errors AMD made in its graphics. AMD did not catch its errors until about 10 hours after the company lifted the news embargo. AMD indicated that its errors were: The 8000G APUs stop at PCIe Gen4 support, not PCIe Gen5 and the 5500GT is 6C/12T, not 4C/8T. You can learn more here: ua-cam.com/video/xK9eLcW9crc/v-deo.html
There'll be a lot of videos this week as we cover all the new announcements in hardware. AMD also had news of its RX 7600 XT - that'll be in a separate video coming up shortly. NVIDIA's keynote coverage is next on our list as well! Also, in case you missed it, check out our tour of a cool overclocking lab: ua-cam.com/video/dhEQkb6uqzw/v-deo.html
@gamersnexus Do you think that AMD releasing a 5700X3D is just another way to stick it to intel? I.e why would you upgrade to intel if you are a consumer that just wants a bit of a cpu boost? With prices being what they are I can see the Asia market jump on CPUs like these. Make it an APU that won't suck and you'd get a good number of consumers buying them. Also it's a good way to get rid of subpar silicon to am4.
Any chance they're going to put out a 5900X3D, or 5950X3D?
Instead of making fun of how long AMD IS STILL SUPPORTING AM4 with new products, understand for 90% of people its more than acceptable performance for in many cases HALF THE PRICE of Intel and AM5 when looking at the cost of new MB's. And the MB manufacturers LOVE AM4 not dislike it. It's more profitable to have long runs on assembly lines than retrain/retool. Do you honestly think most people that are going to upgrade are buying these products? It's mostly new systems. For most people, 5000 series games very well and you can spend an extra $100 on a better processor/gpu.
Hey, please check exactly if the 5600GT supports PBO2 and if it can boost to 4800 all cores, which would make it even bester school/office, "home class" APU! xD Imo it's just a 5600G with +200 Mhz PBO2 and -15 CO and +200mhz "OC" on the igpu out of the box, which "everyone" does anyway LOLOLOL GG AMD
I would bet that these two models WON'T get PBO2 in the BIOS ever, officially, LOL!
I love AMD but we have been stuck on 8 core r7 since 2017 we are now in the same boat with them as we were with 4 cores is enough for gaming 2016 Intel
Imagine 2025 coming with new AM4 CPUs. This socket is eternal.
I kinda hope they would do a end of the line CPU in 2-3 years time. The last AM4 mobos are around 1-2 years old. So a final upgrade would probably get the motherboards down to their last usefull life. Reducing E-waste. I really hope amd does the same to AM5 when it is close to the end.
The 5999X3D is 2028 is gonna be fire 🔥
The GOAT socket and it's not even close.
Cockroaches and AM4 will survive the apocalypse
@@usleadershipareliars xD. A giant mutant AM4 socket
What AMD is doing with AM4 is fantastic and bodes well for AM5! I just helped a guy build a system and we went AMD for because of the track record AMD has for supporting and extending the life of their platforms.
The way they're supporting AM4 I'm not going to have to upgrade till AM6. 😂
That's crazy! It makes me even happier with my Ryzen 7 7800x3d purchase. AMD is killing it on longevity and quality on the CPU front.
@@aerrae5608I am still doing fine with a 5800x3d just have not really needed to upgrade paired with a 7900xt.
@vladchenkov9215 Why wouldn't you be OK with a top end CPU from Q2 2022? "I bought a 2022 Ferrari, and I'm still good with it"
@@aerrae5608 i still have the 3700x ryzen since mid 2019 , amazing cpu
I was set to go to AM5 but instead just upgraded my 3600 to a 5800X3D and got a great deal on a 6950xt. From a 3600 and a RTX 2080S this is like 3 times faster and allowed me to easily move to Debian for gaming with little to no hassle.
I mean, why wouldn't you? You had the option to only need to change the CPU to get similar performance to current gen CPUs. That's pretty good imo if it let's you get a better gpu.
I went with AM5 straight away because it was a brand new SFF build. 7800X3D is awesome for efficiency.
Upgraded my 2700 to a 5700x and my 5700xt with a 6700xt I got for 280 at BestBuy. So happy to hear others gaming on Linux too.
@@CephDigital I'd really like to do an SFF APU build for my next system. What case did you use? I had my eye on something like the Fractal Terra, but even that is a bit large. My current system is a mid tower and getting too bulky/heavy for me.
Holy guacamole I just went from a 3600x to a 5800x3d! Still on my 2060 tho, but I’m aiming to upgrade soon.
Linux🐧 🤝 🐧
An 8 year socket lifespan. That's amazing. No unnecessary planned obsolescence.
AMD could not kill AM4 if they wanted. It will be the platform of choice for budget and low power builds for a long time.
@@WaterZer0 and not only that, its also last gen so its probably sharing next to no fab capacity with their current designs!
@@WaterZer0 They could've done that. But they need money and this is the smartest move.
@@MirelRC They could have killed it before, but they can't now. Even if they "shut it down" last year, it would live on.
@@MirelRC As far as I remember AMD tried to limit compatibility within AM4 chipset generations and changed that later.
AMD releasing more AM4 cpus is a new trend I hope continues.
Creates (a lot of) extra sales for people who have gen 1/2 zen. Kicking myself that I went with a 8600k.
Ah yes, release on a dead and dated platform. That's like Intel releasing another chip for PGA478.
@AlfaPro1337 dead platform? Lol, more people are on AM4 than any single intel platform. This is nice for people with 2000/3000 ryzen cpus who don't want to or can't afford a new mobo with a cpu.
Can you even get a decent am4 motherboard?
@@AlfaPro1337 Bait or mental retardation. Call it
Man, I'm about to get my first AM5 CPU and I hope it gets a lifetime at least close to what AM4 had.
in what way does it help that they release a new cpu much later for older platform when its not better?
5800x3d was the last upgrade, but it was overpriced anyways and its always going to be overpriced second hand as well.
dude, thats what i did. a nice b650 board with a 7600, knowing the platform will hopefully warrent 1 real upgrade in 4-5 years :)
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j???? More CPUs avaiable in the market, lower prices?????
@@user-wq9mw2xz3jYou're kidding right? with the same board I bought 5 years ago with an 1700x I upgraded to. 5600x and now a 5800x3d (now that my graphics card outperforms my processor again). I'd call that a resounding success on AMD's part.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j Because Ryzen 2000 was better than 1000, 3000 was better than 2000 and 5000 was better than 3000. All were built on the same old AM4 platform, and still got better with every gen.
AM4 has been one of the most interesting platforms in a long time. Hopefully this gives us a look at what they’ll do with AM5 and up too. Nothing better than squeezing every last drop of flexibility out of a platform to keep your customers happy. I’m no intel or AMD fanboy, but it does make AMD look more appealing in comparison. AMD has done a great job with Lisa at the helm.
I hope Lisa will be eternal‚ like AM4.
I bought my B450 PCB in late October 2019 based on the promise that it would support all future AM4 chips. Needless to say I am satisfied that AMD have fulfilled that assurance, in fact I'd say they've more than fulfilled it beyond what I expected. Coming from an Intel platform (z70) that was dead and had no upgrades after a couple of years this really impresses me. 4 and a bit years with still plenty of gaming upgrades plus when the platform truly dies the capacity to pick up a (then) cheap fast 12 or 16 core chip to repurpose the board into a budget workstation makes it an absolute bargain for the hundred Quid it cost me new.
@@darthwiizius Agreed! I started on AM4 with an MSI B350 with a 2600 and a 1070, then moved on to a 3600 with a 2060S, then finally a 5700x. I got so much use out of that machine before upgrading to AM5 late last year with a B650 and a 3080. The platform being supported for so long is what made me go with AM5 over a 13 series Intel chip. Both are great choices, but that support appealed to me.
@@Boodoo4You
I'm currently using an R5 5500 (I started with an R7 1700 I picked up for £80 in 2019) and a 2060S, basically the same as your old 3600 build. It's still all I need ATM. I'll upgrade the system in a year or two but I'm in no hurry, I play at 1080P so as long as I can get 60FPS I'm fine because I play single player games. I'm erring toward AM5 but I'm not a brand person so I'll see how evolution goes, I think the AM4 longevity is probably a lightning in a bottle moment that will probably never be seen again. Still, if AMD give AM3 3 gens again then who knows, this might be a new normal. BTW, my B450 is also MSi, it's a Tomahawk Max board, very good build quality IMO.
If only the CPU guys could work their magic on the GPUs. AMD always seemed to be the underdog, but they have since beaten Intel at their game, Nvidia is the only one still giving them trouble.
When you guys do the review for the 5700X3D can you include the 5800X (non 3D (2D?)) in the charts? I'm trying to figure out if I should get one of these X3D parts and keep my AM4 platform for a while or wait for the new ryzens this year sometime and jump to that, and it'd be helpful to see my 5800X in there to compare.
Definitely will do that!
The consensus pretty much everywhere is that moving from something like a 5800X to a 5800X3D is overall a lateral move... unless you ONLY care about gaming. Even if the slight bump in gaming performance is what you're after, the increase is still not worth the investment. Instead, you may as well put it towards the AM5 platform.
That I dont think will be an upgrade. Its below the 5800x3d in gaming. With an even lower clock speed its going to be really close to a 5800x. Eg not a worthwhile buy from a 5800x. I have a 5600x and a 5800x and the 5800x3d isn't a worthwhile upgrade so no way the 5700x3d is worth it unless its cheaper than a 5800 non x which i just don't see happening.
@@Bryan46162x3D notable performance is more visible on a CPU bottlenecked configuration, such as a 1080p gaming rig. On 1440p and 4k, the impact is much lesser.
I like the retro-naming of the 5800X as the 5800X2D
LGA 775 was hot around when I first started paying attention to PC hardware.
It seemed like that socket lasted forever, which it did (7 years of processor releases). AM4 lasting as long as it has, and getting decent processors at a mix of prices, is wild.
LGA 775 had a lot of processors but the chipsets were segmented. There wasn't one chipset that supported all Pentium 4/D/Core 2 processors that were LGA 775
I recently bought a ryzen 5600 I had 1700x and I am so happy with it after overclocking it .... Amd makes the best stuff
For now!
You did a great buy, and I'm loving my own AMD CPU, but never be too loyal, if they end up no longer making the best in the future don't feel bad about trying something else ;)
Best Price/Performance CPU for AM4, rocking it myself at 4650MHz all core with 1.25V (Curve Optimizer)
I love that AMD is selling all these AM4 chips that would normally just wind up in landfills.
You're loving that a multi billion dollar company is selling their stock to make profit instead of scraping it? Also the 5700x3d is nothing more but a 5800x3d that didn't meet the higher specifications.
@@skylinefx049 What part of these sorts of chips routinely go into landfills were you unaware of?
@@skylinefx049I'm with you dude, all these idiots fan boying for multi billion dollar companies has me rofl'ing, as if AMD cares about landfill. They just care about their brand as the "underdog" who has long socket support. Honestly, AMD dosent care about landfill or e-waste 🙄 people are so willing to flock like sheep to a perceived "good guy'.
@@wumpusmcgrumpusesquire6965it's simply praising good business practice of amd
Thanks Steve! I remember AMD Stating that they would build further on the AM4 platform, with the presentation of the AM5 platform, they kept their word.
I have a total of 4 AM4 systems right now, so it's pretty obvious I've loved the platform. Three of those are now in use as home lab servers, and I really like the idea of upgrading my old 1700X file server and 3900X VM host to more modern processors, but only if the pricing is low enough and if they have enough PCIe lanes.
Thanks for the coverage, looking forward to your testing of the new apu
Amd show ends and a few seconds later GN video is out😂
It was pre recorded to release after embargo, they said as much
Because the NDA lifted afterwards
The 5700x 3d sounds like a good upgrade from my 3700x, I was thinking of getting a 5700x but it seems like a good time to wait.
Well, the 5700X is gonna be 50-70$ cheaper if that matters.
5800X3d is faster and only $100 more.
The 5700x is faster than the 5700x3d, atleast get the speeds and cache for your dollar.
That's what I'd do I'd bypass the 5700x3d and go straight for the 5800x3d, the ol vet is still strong.
@@usleadershipareliars "only 100$ more"
40% price increase, and it will not get you 40% more performance.
@WaterZer0 why mess around about it though? I own a 5700x and wish I would've gotten a 5800x3d.
I was wromg it's $150 more. I'd still grab it. Can't now, if I could change it, I would.
Spend the $150 more and grab it.
@@usleadershipareliars At that point you could consider going AM5 and getting superior performance in everything not just games.
Yes the 5800X3D is faster than say a 7600 in several games, but you're setting yourself up to get like a 8800X3D or 9800X3D or hell even just a 9600 in the future.
I'm really excited for the new APUs. I loved the A10 7850k back in the day and was able to play almost all games I wanted to play with it, until I bought a dedicated GPU. Depending on the prices and performance this might actually be a decent upgrade plan again.
Plus looking at the insane AM4 life support going AM5 might be great for future updates down the line. Really looking forward for the benchmarks.
Excited for the new APUs. Looking to make a small emulation rig with just an APU
I upgraded from a 2600x and a 1070TI, to a 5800X3D and a 7800XT. Its honestly amazing how much an improvement in performance I gained with my existing motherboard!
Did you have to upgrade memory? I'm curious what you were using and if you needed to change it. AM4 is amazing.
Does your motherboard support pcie gen4? if not there'll be even more perfirmance to unlock from one that does
@@user-nj8fy4px8x I started with 2x 8GB Ripjaws V at 3200MHz, But I bought another pair back in 2019, so no. I did not have to upgrade.
@@Estoc_Bestoc_ No, my current motherboard does not support PCI-e 4, But I noticed that with most games the added frames are very marginal. Especially at 1440p, which is the resolution I use most often.
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5600 supporting and 5700 not supporting PCIe GEN4 kinda sucks and might confuse customers quite a bit... Otherwise love how AMD keeps sockets/platforms alive!
In that case, I feel like the 5700 is being marketed more towards people with older chipsets, like B450 boards, since those boards can't support PCIe Gen4 anyways. Still a bit odd though.
Because 5700 is 5700G with iGP disabled, same as 5500 being 5600G without iGP. Considering how bad value they were even with iGP enabled even during mining, this is just AMD trying to ditch them on people who don't know much.
@@CrazySerbfor some people every buck count. In my country the 5500 is half the price of a 5600 while the difference in performance is much lower. Would you say people shouldn't have that option?
oh didnt know that
@@CrazySerb nowadays unless you get a 11500 or 12400 intel, you have to spend 100+ bucks on a dgpu like 1030. I not see how they can be bad value for budget non gamer builds.
For those that wonder why AM4 is going to be alive for at least another year, possibly 2? Server contracts. According to Moore's Law AMD signed server contracts supporting EPYC server chips which have Zen 3 CPUs so since they are going to have to continue making Zen 3 until the contracts expire they might as well take those that don't hit the speeds required for the EPYC chips and sell them as AM4. I'd say that's a smart move, keeps from trashing silicon while making AM4 a budget builder heaven.
I think AM4 is the longest running socket that i can remember. 2nd place is probably LGA775, introduced in 2004 and the last CPU made for it was a Pentium E5800, that i believe was released in 2011.
Thanks for the update.
Still happy with the drop in performance upgrade I got to my 5800X3D from the 3600. The AM4 platform just keeps on ticking, really impressed with AMD for this long term support when you look at what Intel has done over the last decade.
Same here, I had a 3700x/5700xt and upgraded to a 5800x3d/6950xt such a great upgrade
That NPU could be a purely-AI focused bonus, an attempt to hop on the AI hype train, or laying the ground for a sort of DL-FSR implementation. The last would be super cool, especially on handhelds
Microsoft push for the Co-Pilot feature being added to Windows.
AM4 is epic! So glad I chose it for my last build in 2020. I got a 5700x last year, it's a beast, I overclocked it and removed the power limit so it is basically just a 5800x now.
In AMD's slides I'm surprised to see the Linux support listed as "x86 64-bit" and not "amd64" which I think would be a bit of a flex
coz the x86-64 instruction set was made by amd with the first athlon64 cpus (intel was working on a full fledged 64bit itanium at the time), if you look into windows folders you'll see there are some amd64 folders as well.
@@kentahironoyou should re-read his comment. He said he is surprised AMD is NOT listing it as AMD64.
Long live AM4! (DDR5 compatibility would be amazing, but having still an upgrade route feels so freaking good!)
It's nice to see APUs being a thing again. I remember when I got into building PCs and could only grab an AMD a6 apu. Iirc it was a dual core with 4 GPU cores tho I may have that backwards. APUs especially near the launch of a new socket can be a great entry point into PC building. Storage Mobo PSU case ram CPU. Most people have a TV add a cheap mouse and your gaming.
If the 5700X3D ends up being a good CPU, I may have a reason to hang onto AM4 for a little bit longer!
why? there is 5800X3D and it has come down in price quite a bit too
@@LiLBitsDKagreed. I’m not sure who they are aiming to market this cpu to. The 5800x3d is still solid so why not spend a few extra. And if you run into an issue you won’t have trouble finding others who may have already posted a solution or at least that they are also having the same issue.
@@LiLBitsDK Mainly curious about thermals for SFF. Also, why not support another option?
@@mikezappulla4092 Well, eventually 5800X3D stock will run out, and these are probably failed 5800X3D chips that they want to sell rather than trash.
Same for me. Running an OG B0 stepping 5800X which runs warm and was debating getting 5800X3D but the prices are all ove ether place and it's an entire platform upgrade to go AM5 which is cost prohibitive anyway. 5700X3D may give me a little longer on AM4 as I only game which we know sees a big uplift with big cache.
while it's probably bad for profit margins for board manufactures it may also be good since they probably still have a surplus of boards left over.
That snake oil bottle has me questioning everything now.
That was subtle but pretty genius placement.
Really look forward to see how the 5700X3D stacks up and how well those new 8000APU graphics are in your reviews.
Dude I've been able to use the same am4 motherboard since 2017. It's amazing. With bios updates I've been able to run my 1st gen ryzen all the way to the r7 5800x I just upgraded to. Love amd.
Looking forward to the complete x3d comparison charts
Slight correction. In Bergarmo the Zen4c cores have less L3 cache per core but in the mobile lineup the L3 per core is the same as you can see in the chart at 10:03 where the 8600G and 8500G both have 22MB of cache, 6MB of that will be L2 and 16MB is L3.
AM4 is proof you don't need the "latest and greatest". I am glad AMD is still investing in the platform, since prices for "last-gen" parts are dropping through the roof; great way to get a banger system on a tight budget.
Not the first time in their life they've done this. But this time they've even exceeded the lifespan of the venerated Socket 7/Super 7.
How is this "investment" or new products when they are just releasing bad bins (bins that did not pass quality control during manufacturing) of old products with new product names?
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa How is it not? They are handing out even more options to everyone who is on AM4. They clean out stock, create less landfill, make more money, and gain positive reputation for supporting 8 year old platforms.
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa It still an upgrade for anyone on ryzen, ryzen+ or ryzen 2. And way cheaper at that, moving to AM5 would require a new motherboard and DDR5 memory, not just the CPU.
@@kahaneck worse than what has already been released. We agree on that, right? This is a dead socket.
I'd love to see a performance per cubic liter chart. That's a space where AGPUs can really shine. And yes, depending on the use case that really does matter.
man i have 5600 but i have upgrad options for many years with my B550 board...love AMD...My 2700k/Z68 combo served me a decade, feel like this time its gonna be at least the same if not more years.
Honestly I really love that AMD is supporting AM4 for so long, it works so well and i really love long-terming my builds. This means mine and my partner's am4 machines will last several more years. Which means less bullshit to buy, and less e-waste. And considering my 5700xt died over a year ago and i haven't been able to replace the GPU until last week (6800xt!), anything i can do to get as much life out of this system as possible is highly welcome.
Sad to hear about the fallen brother 5700xt ... which model was it? (I would like to speculate about a possible cause of failure)
I still rock a reference 5700(non XT) since release. I use it daily for office and 3h+ Gaming. Still works like day one :)
@@zerozeroone001 was a powercolor red dragon
i have a ryzen 9 3900x and in a couple of years i'll update it to a ryzen 9 5950x... really the AM4 platform has life enough for now.
Same here
definitely worth getting the 5950x.. went from 1600x to 3600 to 5600x to 5900x, the performance difference between each generation/cpu has been insane. don't really have a need for PCIE 5.0 and DDR5 so i'll probably stick with the 5900x for a few more years unless something drastic changes.
@@sirmonkey1985 i use my PC for 3d modeling and it goes so well, with 64 gb of Ddr4 3200mhz and a rtx 3090 i have pc for years... inclusive you can uprise this with 128 Gb of DDR and it will go fine for 5 or 6 years more
frame gen on Apu is gonna be crazy... hope they gonna release it for the 5000 series too..
I'm looking forward to seeing some benchmarks for these CPUs. I've been running a Ryzen 5 5600/7900XT system with the intention of going AM5 this year, but now I'm second-guessing myself; the CPU is definitely bottlenecking newer games, but I'm not sure if it would be worth dropping a newer one into the same motherboard or if I should just bite the bullet and build a next-gen machine.
Would be nice if you guys could benchmark emulator performance, I'm particularly interested in seeing how the Zen 3 3D CPUs compare to Zen 4 Non-3D in a heavy load like RPCS3.
the 3D cache will not make any difference for emus like RPCS3. RPCS3 needs straight up high IPC and 8+ cores and Zen4 runs circles around Zen 3 in that regard. What helps RPCS3 also is the instruction set. The AVX 512 in the Zen4 chips helps performance significantly. Do a search for the term "rpcs3 cpu tier list" and study that list. It is informative..
RPCS3 just loves more threads basically, the upped cache would not do anything
My 3700X is starting to struggle in some games, so I hope the 5700X3D actually launches not only in the US this time, like they been doing with the 5600X3D.. Could be a worthy upgrade as the 5800X3D is too expansive for me
It will be interesting to compare an AM4 based mid level or older processor plus rx 7600 vs the new integrated APUs on the AM5 platform. Especially for photo or blender use.
one thing i get from all these updates on cpus is that im glad i adopted 5800x3d when they first came out.
AM4 is the shounen anime protagonist that doesn't know how to give up.
They are simply getting rid of all 5700Gs with defective graphics (R7 5700) and 5800x3ds that for some reason don't keep up with default clock freequencies (5700x3d)
So, i mean, its fine and understandable and i love this. Where I live there's stilla decent gap between DDR4 vs DDR5 and Am4/Am5 motherboard cost so having all these option on a more affordable and still very capable platform is amazing
Basically, it's bad silicon lottery defects being refreshed under a different name and with some tweaks.
I learned my lesson after buying a 10850k not to make that mistake again. Not saying AMD will be the same experience but these chips that didn’t make the cut might have other quirks too them also
Could you elaborate on your experience with the 10850k?@@mikezappulla4092
The last fime a socket lived this long was socket 3 - thr 486 socket from 1989. Overdrive and upgrade proxessors were coning out as late as 1996 for this socket.
This looks like great stuff, i just bought myself a 5700x to upgrade from a 2700x and im really happy with it, plus i did it almost for free which is awesome too.
Ive heard it said before but am4 really was a gift to the world of pc building, the standard of competition moving forward is going to be really exciting, i just hope it keeps going upwards and onwards from here.
Thanks Steve.
Back to you Steve.
wish they made a x3d apu , i realy want to know how effective x3d will be in that scenario
Kinda like how the i7-5775c's "L4 cache" served as iGPU memory?
Definitely, Apu with "infinity cache" will be interesting, also what would happen if they allow more CUs up to 150W TDP
They're holding back on APUs because they know Intel can't compete. In the lab I'm sure they have 16 or 18 cu APUs clocked at 3000mhz with 3d-cache, they probably also have experimental custom APUs with on-board unified memory and even higher cu count. The APUs we're getting now are pretty much mobile scraps, which themselves are conservative on the APU front.
Imagine the name... "5600x3dg
@@RichardMontgomeryYTi was thinking more like 5750GTX3D 😂
I purchased my first AM4 board in December 2022, I was unaware that it was still current gen, even though it had already been superseded...
Such behavior is one of the reasons I am a fan and have been for nearly 30 years now 😬👴
Their work on APUs has been super fascinating to me over the years and I have tried to support such efforts when I can since they started in hopes they would keep it up, and they did! I got their unlocked A10-7850 Black Edition APU chip shortly after it came out and still have it. Ran hot, but is really cool! Especially with a mobo that has on board AMD video with "hybrid crossfire"... and some patience....and a water cooler lol.
Anyway, I'm glad they kept at even though they caught a lot of crap for trying to push them toward gaming at first. I personally believe they will be responsible for getting a capable PC down to the price that MS and Sony Consoles can not compete with(especially with the upgrade paths available from that initial price considered)and finally set us free!!!!!! No more developing for lower fixed specs(XB, PS) then porting "up" to PC for 10 years before any significant improvement can be made. Think about how long "AAA" game developers had to consider if their new engine/game could run on an Xbox360 or a PS4 without looking/playing "unacceptably" different.
For a nice little while it used to be(arguably 2000-2008±) that a high end game was usually developed for PC then ported down to a console if possible. Often, it would end up being so different they had to change the name. Like the FarCry games on Xbox and wii, etc. Or Battlefield 2 which was trimmed down to be BF2: Bad Company even though BF2 could play great on an 8XAGP GPU, and both XB360 and PS3 had PCIE. It wasnt the graphics capabilities holding it back. It was the comoute power. Consoles have to push nearly everything their hardware has to visuals leaving little for anything else. Otherwise, it would cost too much. That really hasnt changed, so as long as that is the case, much of our PC potential is being left on the table. And developers can not take advantage of it if they are forced to sell on consoles in order to get the funding to make the game and the licenses come with strings like not looking/playing too different from the PC version to maintain the illusion that there is parity at all.
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AMDs old Socket 462, or Socket A as it was also known, was released in 1999 and got a "new" CPU in 2007. That new CPU, the Geode 2001, was a relabeled Athlon Thoroughbred 2200+ from 2002.
amd keeping am4 alive like this is amazing. really hope they match it with am5.
Im so excited about the APUs, just for the fact of Im wondering how well the IMC works and if it has same ceiling as my 7700X doing max 6200 mhz easily with fairly tight timings. And if any IF oc is possible to see if it makes iGPU faster. As I would tune CPU down a smig to unleash the igpu as much as possible. Cheapest Minecraft gaming PC with least amount of parts with a great upgrade path!
So looking forward to an AM4 X3D comparison from you guys!
Am4 is just a great platform from budget to a higher end rig it got you covered
I really love that these AM4 CPUs are the latest but not the latest. Or maybe they're the latest and not the best. Anyway, that bottle of snake oil was hilarious, and I really love that AMD is still releasing CPUs for AM4. I'd love to see how the 5500GT and 5600GT compare to the 5600G and 5600 in 3rd party benchmarks.
For the 8000g review, could you please add ksp 2? I know it's a lot to ask for, but I really want to know.
That felt very dense, like way more packed than GN usually is. I don't mind though, I actually like the speed up. Covered a lot in less time.
It would be interesting to compare the GPU in the 8700G to the discrete GPUs. Probably against the 6600 or 7600.
Radeon 780m is mostly comparable to the Gtx 1050ti, So considering in the 8700g is Only getting Clock speeds Bump.
So I dont think It would be That Fast.
You'll be fine playing skyrim at 1080p at most
@@zalankhan5743According to Techpowerup 780m is a few percent ahead of A380, 1650 and 6400.
6600, 1080 non-Ti, 5700 and 2060 are about twice as fast.
Let's wait for more test results. Unfortunately the GPU gets much smaller in the lower 8000G.
RX6600 would wipe the floor with 780M/780. RX 6400 should be a closer match, or RX 480/580, since 6400 and 780M are closer to 470/480.
If the APU was any faster, they would've compared it to GTX 1060 or even 1660. If it turns out to be with some memory shenanigans and mild overclock, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Footprint and system power consumption are good reasons to pick the APU though!
@@TheCyberSpidey Actually, a companion to an RX 480 8GB would be very interesting too. That's currently what I game on, so it would be good to see if APUs can finally replace my GPU. I would need those comparisons at 4k, as that's what I game at (I reduce settings before resolution, play some older games or put up with stuttering in things like the original cities skylines).
Really hoping for a 5950X3D chip. I'll upgrade from my 3950X for that.
Only worth it if both CCDs have the 3D cache, if AMD did that it would be a insanely good CPU. I hope they do it!
8 years of socket life snd it still delivers a pretty dang high end chip with the 5700x3d. I hope am5 and am6 get the same love
4:57 *Dyling* Light 2, my favourite game. Really up there with Shadow *iof* the Tomb Raider and Rainbow Six *Seige*
AMD is trying to take the 7 year socket lifespan record from the lga 775 socket
Been at this hobby for almost 30 years and I've never seen anything as long-lived as AM4, but keeping ageing platforms alive and useful is textbook AMD, going at least as far back as their 40mhz 386DX (where Intel stopped at 33mhz).
8000g is gonna be great for diy servers for home use, especially when they start coming down in price a bit.
ECC Ram for stability and some decent transcoding performance in one power optimized package that due to it being closely related to their laptop apu, (probably) doesn't just burn 30 watts sitting at idle.
Even at launch prize I would probably go for it, if I was in need of a new server.
The thought that you could use one apu pc as a casual living room gaming machine that doubles as a plex server ect.
And could even do a decent job as a cloud gaming host... that's nuts. I love it.
I MEAN, I've been rocking AM4 since 2nd gen and it's still going strong with a 5900X and 32 GB DDR4 3200. I'm only just now starting to feel like a platform upgrade because of the lack of nVME slots on my motherboard. Makes me pretty happy that one platform has lasted as long as this one has.
Well for that extra NVME slots you can get a PCIE adapter for like $10 or so, just read your motherboard manual 1st, some boards may share lanes so when a certain slot is used there's another slot that will be turned off or run slower
ayo early watchers???
Nah
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You mean the single digit minute from release group?
Of course not.
Steve standing by waiting for that AMD video to pop off so he can SLAM the button on this video LOL! Good luck this week GN and friends covering. Remember to take time for fun to keep the creative engines running well.
Lowkey glad that they are coming out with new AM4 stuff
at what ram speeds did the APUs run in the benchmarks amd provided?
I can breath new life to my 2017 rig with the 1700 now
When you eventually review the 5700x3d can you also include a tiny comparison between the 5700x and the 5700 non-3d, since the 5700 is technically a lower cache model (different die altogether) it would be cool to see how much more gaming you can get from 5700 > 5700x > 5700x3d.
: I love those new AM4 drops but I gotta say, that I sometimes still get audio drop outs that force me to completely reboot the system. I'm on the newest bios and you would hope that they would have fixed this by now...
I've been eyeing for 5700x upgrade for some time. Now the 5700x3d announcement really tempting me to choose the later instead. Looking forward to the review on launch day
At 6:11 the 5500GT is listed as 6 core 12 thread but at 6:56 it's 4 core 8 thread? Looks like a mistake in the AMD slides, so which one is actually correct?
I'm so glad there is still am4 support. Built a new PC last year with a 5600x hoping for an easy upgrade to an am4 8 core CPU to squeeze a few more years out of my PC before starting again
I just got given an X370 board and have been scoping out a budget CPU for it, so can attest to older stuff still being in use outside NA/EU
Technically speaking, AM2 had a lot of support too, depending on the motherboard. Mine can run literally everything from AM2 to AM3. AM2 came out in 2006, and the last CPU for AM3 came out in December 2010. 4 years is not 8 years, but it's still not that bad. And it definitely keeps my AM2 platform going, even if I don't actually use it for day-to-day tasks.
Just recently made the very common shift from a 5600x to a 5800x3d and boy howdy is it insane to have a chip manu support a platform this long. Definitely won me over to team red for a good while. 6800 still running strong in there too
I have Gigabyte B550 Vision D motherboard with thunderbolt 3 ports, 5700 G, 64 gig of ram , and a intel arc 750. I added a USB3.2 2x2 C card as well. Not a gamer, but have been very happy with the system. The board has basically disappeared everywhere. I've been sitting on a asrock B650E riptide board for the last year and a half, may build a system on that after prices shake down. Glad the AM4 platform is getting processor upgrades!
What you touched on other markets for the 5700x3D and AM4 is super important. I see reviewers talk about platform longevity for the longest time, but I largely ignored it because, on my market segment, no one updates often enough you’d have 2 CPUs within the same platform life cycle. AM4 is really the first one that I’ve see that made me go, “uh, had I bought a first gen ryzen, I see myself upgrading to a 5th gen one and saving myself a motherboard swap”.
I hope they keep up with this. This is cool and all, but being the first time it lasted this long, buying a more expensive motherboard for ryzen 1 on the hopes that this might happen would have been silly for cost control. But if this becomes a trend within AMD, buying a motherboard that WILL be supported for sure when new processors come out, even if that comes at a premium, will be very reasonable for us more cost aware.
So the stuff that got talked about here, was the low end, the mobile, the current gen and the last-gen with AI tacked on...
I was hoping to get some insight into the Zen 5 R9 ~ 16 core. I'm guessing that's going to be called the R9 8950X, but they haven't announced it yet.
AM4 is still alive and still getting new parts released for it, and I think that's good. I am not a potential customer for it, (I don't already have an AM4 platform) but I'm glad they're doing it.
The wildly enthusiastic take-up of AI for everything ... [sigh] I learned computers in the mid '90s, and we had buzz-words, and we had wild enthusiasm to use existing synergies to fully web enable significant success factors in order to leverage existing synergies to move EVERYTHING onto the cloud, because ... buzzwords! Hype is a buzz-word.
All of that guff from the PR focussed mission statement, it had meaning and it was right and we did move that way, but the hype was over the top and wildly misleading, and a lot of the people who leaned the hardest on it, didn't have any idea what they were talking about. It was mostly just PR type blood in the water.
I was doing a diploma course, in 1995, and while the pass mark was low for most things, you couldn't fail a module and still get your diploma. The two modules I had trouble with, one was programmable logic controllers, and the use of ladder diagram logic. The other, was Business Communication. Now what that meant, was basically how to inject a few sentences of buzz-words into everything. Think Lisa Su talks to investors, think these kinds of presentations ... I had a huge problem with saying something misleading that investors and accountants might like, which I viewed as lying. And I had a problem with assembling a hundred word sentence that didn't really say anything but sounded impressive and was heavy in buzz-words.
I bring this up because that's exactly where we are with sticking AI into everything.
AI is a remarkable and rapidly developing technology, but it's not the answer to all problems, and I don't need it to run my Linux desktop or surf the web ~ any more than I need a Trusted Computing Module. I'm not saying it should go away, I'm saying despite what we're being force-fed, it's not the answer to all problems, and I don't need it to run a Linux desktop.
You don't need a microprocessor to make an egg-timer, and you don't meed AI to run a desktop, or a simple text-editor.
Could you please do like 8700G vs Z1 Extreme and similar please. Thanks Steve.
Since the leaks I've been waiting for the upgrade, I got 1700 with 3080. Can't wait for them to arrive to stores.
It's really nice that YT has playback speed adjustment. Using 0.75x helps a lot. 😅
Actually, now that Steve mentions this, seems like motherboard vendors are, or better said, have been missing opportunities to relaunch or launch new AM4 motherboards for these price-sensitive, late-comer CPU options. The used am4 market has been high for a big while now and they could capture that market back. Of course if they have transitooned some of their production hardware to only be compatible with newer stuff, it's hard. It may also be due to a lack of parts by supply chain (including AMD/TSMC themselves for Chipsets...)
Man crazy my old x370 board I got years ago when Ryzen 1700 came out and can update it and slap in 5800x3d and beat a lot of cpus in gaming is kinda nutts.
As someone who’s been running an R5 3600 basically since it came out I’m really happy to see new AM4 CPUs. The prospect of buying a new motherboard and ram just for a cpu upgrade right now is not one I’m crazy about.
Thanks Steve!
The prices of old AM4 CPU's (5xxx) went up 30-100% overnight here in Canada a few days ago, not sure these new CPU's are going to be the godsend we hope for unless the prices go back to normal.
Same thing happened here in the US. Right between Christmas and New Years. More like 25-50%
The new 5700x3d is going to be close to the low price of the 5800x3d which is kinda a kick in the pants. I think they jacked stuff up to make room.
I'd love to see their margins on this silicon now that AM4 has been around since what, 2017? I bet they are getting a very nice ROI by now.
1:10 The video shows a case with 7 fans pulling air into the case, but only one pushing it out.
How is that balanced? Why is air not blown out of the top? That would allow more airflow.
2:17 when they introduced AM5 they did say there would be more AM4 CPUs, nothing surprising about that.
I`m really curious to see how the 8700G specifically performs compared to a low end dGPU considering GPU prices in my area are still pretty high (not to mention power usage of even a lower end dGPU vs an APU), but based on the claimed framerate on Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p low, I don`t think they`re quite where I`d want them to be based on my hopes of essentially making a gaming oriented pc with comperable size, cost, power usage and 1080p gaming performance in modern titles as the XBOX series X and PS5. I also wonder how the 8700G and it`s 780m performs compared to the Z1 extreme, since the GPU is the same, though I presume the desktop version of the GPU would perform significantly better due to higher power budget and better cooling, though if the improvement isn`t significant I`ll stick to my Ally and Acer laptop with a 10300h and 1650 ti mobile