Here's a legitimate challenge for you to tackle, preferably *BEFORE* 6 May, 2023, but will understand if you can't find the time or information: why is a "privy," or loo (or in Emoticon: 🚽), also called a "throne?" It's generally not on a raised platform, nor is it genuinely privileged to be seated there. I ask as an American follower, and someone who has an interest in history (if you call 2 PhDs in the subject interest). I also ask because we all have a 12 year old inside of us that has probably wondered if there was any "Royal connection," or whatever.
I keep hearing it's named the St Edward's Chair, and some as King Edward's chair. Although St Edward was actually a King too. Is there an official name for it?
Both are correct, they refer to the same person Edward the Confessor. After the Reformation when the saints where attacked, King Edward's chair became more common.
@@allanbarton Thank you for the clarification. Of note, our church in Texas is named for St Edward the Confessor. Yesterday after the Good Friday service, the deacon told me the altar has no relic of St Edward because when the church was built, no relics were available. I'm thinking about obtaining permission to ask for a "second class relic" of say an object placed in the presence of the St Edward's shrine altar in Westminster Abbey. It gets complicated. A request to His Majesty the King or to the Dean of Westminster Abbey might be in order here.
I just found your channel and find it very interesting. Could you possibly do a video on what exactly the king/queen and royal family do since they don't rule the country like in times past. Can you also explain what are dukes, earls, lords etc and how do they obtain those titles.
Very few seats are Thrones in their own right, fewer than (royal) chairs designated by their use.....the ultimate Thrones that come to mind are the (imperial) Throne of Charlemagne in Aachen, and the Peacock Throne....it may be a matter of Language as well, as for example in german language a Throne would be referred to any royal chair, of fancy decoration used in official royal representative function - whereas a Thronsessel (Throne Chair) would be lesser than an actual Königsthron or Kaiserthron (kings- or emperors Throne), there is also a distinction downscaled for a Princes chair (Prinzenthron). The piece of Furniture not used in representative function would be referred to as Thronsessel (but only if movable), this in distinction to the Charlemagne Throne which is (of Marble) immovable and somehow in its function perpetual, thus representing the perpetuity (of the roman empire itself). An then there ist the term Throne itself, circumstantial and regionally it was used equal to the term "the crown" as it still is in Britain. It is in most cases of representation very much correct to state that a throne is put on a platform and reachable via steps - deriving from the great halls and aulae regia (one roman example remaining in Trier/Augusta Treverorum) of the past, - I do think it is quite interesting though, to reflect on these things.
@allanbarton I think there are possibly 2 reasons for this: 1) The man's in his 70's, wearing a roughly 2.23 kg crown perched on his head that is at least what, 30 cm or so tall, enrobed in layers of heavy material, carrying the two scepters when he's expected to walk up a set of steps without the risk of falling over. 2) Ditto for Queen Camilla, who does have know back issues. You once mentioned that the coronation ceremony has evolved over the centuries and that is normal. And yet you seemed more than happy to throw this one under the bus. I can imagine you at the time bemoaning and mourning the end to the coronation feast after George VI's coronation.
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Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation.
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.
That old chair was built by Edward the first in 1297. To house the stone of scone
When a throne, like the one in Westminster is back in storage, is it then just a chair?
If It is no longer on the raised platform that makes it a chair by this definition because it's not lifted off the ground
These chairs all look uncomfortable. I would have thought thee cushions would be thicker n more decorative. The back rest in general looks hard.
I hope Camilla’s chair is especially uncomfortable.
Here's a legitimate challenge for you to tackle, preferably *BEFORE* 6 May, 2023, but will understand if you can't find the time or information: why is a "privy," or loo (or in Emoticon: 🚽), also called a "throne?" It's generally not on a raised platform, nor is it genuinely privileged to be seated there.
I ask as an American follower, and someone who has an interest in history (if you call 2 PhDs in the subject interest). I also ask because we all have a 12 year old inside of us that has probably wondered if there was any "Royal connection," or whatever.
Is Charles toilet therefore only a throne when he sits on it
@@pennydreadful5217 when he's done, is it a royal flush?
@@RealGJZig LOL 😁🚾
That is fascinating! But I noticed the Saint Edward's chair is on two steps so wouldn't that make it a throne going by your definition?
I keep hearing it's named the St Edward's Chair, and some as King Edward's chair. Although St Edward was actually a King too.
Is there an official name for it?
Both are correct, they refer to the same person Edward the Confessor. After the Reformation when the saints where attacked, King Edward's chair became more common.
@@allanbarton Thank you for the clarification. Of note, our church in Texas is named for St Edward the Confessor. Yesterday after the Good Friday service, the deacon told me the altar has no relic of St Edward because when the church was built, no relics were available. I'm thinking about obtaining permission to ask for a "second class relic" of say an object placed in the presence of the St Edward's shrine altar in Westminster Abbey. It gets complicated. A request to His Majesty the King or to the Dean of Westminster Abbey might be in order here.
God save the King.
I just found your channel and find it very interesting. Could you possibly do a video on what exactly the king/queen and royal family do since they don't rule the country like in times past. Can you also explain what are dukes, earls, lords etc and how do they obtain those titles.
thank you it is a wonderful chair I seen it in 2019
Very few seats are Thrones in their own right, fewer than (royal) chairs designated by their use.....the ultimate Thrones that come to mind are the (imperial) Throne of Charlemagne in Aachen, and the Peacock Throne....it may be a matter of Language as well, as for example in german language a Throne would be referred to any royal chair, of fancy decoration used in official royal representative function - whereas a Thronsessel (Throne Chair) would be lesser than an actual Königsthron or Kaiserthron (kings- or emperors Throne), there is also a distinction downscaled for a Princes chair (Prinzenthron). The piece of Furniture not used in representative function would be referred to as Thronsessel (but only if movable), this in distinction to the Charlemagne Throne which is (of Marble) immovable and somehow in its function perpetual, thus representing the perpetuity (of the roman empire itself). An then there ist the term Throne itself, circumstantial and regionally it was used equal to the term "the crown" as it still is in Britain. It is in most cases of representation very much correct to state that a throne is put on a platform and reachable via steps - deriving from the great halls and aulae regia (one roman example remaining in Trier/Augusta Treverorum) of the past, - I do think it is quite interesting though, to reflect on these things.
Did the king have a throne this time? I don’t recall the chair he sat on being raised.
On one step, it was barely a throne. A break with a thousand years and more of history.
@allanbarton I think there are possibly 2 reasons for this: 1) The man's in his 70's, wearing a roughly 2.23 kg crown perched on his head that is at least what, 30 cm or so tall, enrobed in layers of heavy material, carrying the two scepters when he's expected to walk up a set of steps without the risk of falling over. 2) Ditto for Queen Camilla, who does have know back issues.
You once mentioned that the coronation ceremony has evolved over the centuries and that is normal. And yet you seemed more than happy to throw this one under the bus. I can imagine you at the time bemoaning and mourning the end to the coronation feast after George VI's coronation.
All the nuances of being a King or Queen, how much different are other royal traditions in other countries or families?
或以άνω καθέδρα與σύνθρονος為一物，豈以其高而在上故耶？
Very interesting bit of history.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
You’re welcome! I’m an American who loves British history. I love my own as well,but we kind of level out at about 250 years or so ;)
But... they are both above floor level. It's on its own raised platform.
It's on a base that sits on the floor, not raised on steps.
Den Thron besteigen.
Steps