CIG needs to look at what happened in Elite with Engineering (their version of crafting). All upgrades were significant, in return for a long grind finding materials. It meant that anybody that wasn't in a highly engineered PvP specific ship was just meat for the grinder in a PvP encounter. It absolutely murdered any sense of balance in the game, and almost everyone fucked off to private group and solo modes to avoid PvP.
This was exactly the problem that should ensure the type of crafting CIG wants never enters the game. Elite's engineering was the perfect example of why this should never be allowed. Engineering was great for the solo player or non-combat gameplay but awful for any sort of balanced combat. To Frontier's credit, they did try to add tangible negatives to engineered components. For every positive you would also get a negative. Of course, the positives always greatly outweighed the negatives. Aand with the right combo of traits and player persistence you could engineer an upgrade that hardly had negatives at all. IF we do a real crafting upgrade system for SC, there need to be real negatives. Upgrading performance should be a risk. Like hot-rodding a car or overclocking a computer. You might be able to squeeze a little extra performance out of the system, but at great risk of just detonating the whole thing if you got it wrong. Upgrades need to add weight or extra resource draw (power, cooling, etc), or be prone to breaking down, lower the component HP, etc. Yeah you can upgrade, but you have to be careful. Maybe those upgraded thrusters require an extra tick of power and 2 extra for cooling and now you don't have as much headroom for guns or shields. That sort of thing.
That's 100% what I heard when they mentioned the crafting to improve ship stats. And having the industrial ship force to take down its shields on top of that is hilarious. That's the main reason people don't play in open in ED, and there's not even this option here...
@2:40 When Jared says "We want to talk about what our plan is, what our vision is..." that's pretty much the main problem with star citizen in the 13th year of development. They are still mostly talk. Will backers give them another 0.8 Billion to play with? Seems like at this rate they are going to need it to deliver a functional game.
Yes! The vision should've been locked in for 5 years already but they still treat it like they were still in the kickstarter phase spitballing ideas. Infuriating!
Yes the backers will xD And thats the sad part, its basically still a scam citizen, but its like a religion. They will defend their dream game against everything, even if its obviously wrong
@@SolarWindsRider This sort of thing happens all the time in game development, but we're in a unique position to see 'behind the curtain' on SC, but aims and directions are constantly in change, just as Jared's set/ship is called 'the only constant is change' in game development. It's not being clueless, it's just an extremely complex system whose scope was never even conceived of 10 years ago.
I never wanted to admit this, but this is what being clueless looks like. They know how individual systems work but not how the collective interacts, and they seem to have never been designing the game with that in mind...
This sort of thing happens all the time in game development, but we're in a unique position to see 'behind the curtain' on SC, but aims and directions are constantly in change, just as Jared's set/ship is called 'the only constant is change' in game development. It's not being clueless, it's just an extremely complex system whose scope was never even conceived of 10 years ago.
@@explorer47422 I'm a software developer myself, granted not a game dev, but we typically know how things will workout most of the time, this is because we don't have the luxury of rolling back stuff because it breaks the user experience, I think this is what CIG lacks, they think they can keep on trying, but it's not the case anymore.
@@explorer47422it is being clueless about game development, actually. It is like a child designing a game with a long bullet point list of features thinking they're a genius because nobody else thought of a realistic looking minecraft universe before. Thinking it up like that is the easy part the hard part is to both make it work and be enjoyable to play. You can add acorns that grow to trees all you want into a game but thats not actually what matters in the slightest
@@explorer47422 No, these sort of things happen to a degree in game development. But no milestone would be greenlit or passed if this happened as constantly and frequently as it happens in over 10y at CIG. It's a company full of noobies in all departments except coding and art. And the leadership / management is still making games like it's 1999.
@@explorer47422 No this doesn't happen all the time in game development.. Only to extremely incompetent dev teams.. Does it happen ocassionally when a few things get overlooked? Sure. Are there moments where you try to figure out how to get mechanics to function together? Absolutely. Is there ever a moment after 5 iterations of a game mechanic, 10 years into development, and you still have F all no clue how its going to work, how its going to interact with other mechanics, and having no sense of any idea wtf you're doing? Absolutely not for any team that isn't brain rotted incompetent.... Unfortunately for us.. CIG is apparently brain rotted incompetent to a very high extreme.
It’s super simple. No more nav mode, you’re always in SCM with SCM flight speeds. If you turn off your shields and turn on your QDrive (still in SCM!), you get the ability to quantum boost and quantum travel while still in SCM. That’s the whole thing. It’s all just changing which component is powered on using engineering/power management.
@@janschmid281tier one ships have bower speeds like scm and tier 5 ships get nav mode speeds as their default. This takes away the pay to win advantage
Remember the objective was to have combat at closer ranges? Higher speeds increases the engagement distance. I do wonder if the pushback is forcing them to acknowledge they cannot have knife distance combat in star system sized play spaces....
Just throwing new ideas out to see what sticks. Start working on a new feature, sell a ship related to said feature, abandon that feature for the next thing just in time for CitCon.
@@senn4237 You forgot the part where they cut features to see if they can get away with it. They didn't with trying to remove base building from the Galaxy but they seem to be getting away with it when removing repair functionality from the hangar on the polaris.
@@RN1441They aren’t removing features, they’re delaying them until the tech is mature, aka in 2000 years. There’s a difference between removing and delaying features. Plus, IAE Show has always been about describing far off concepts through the 3 episodes, why are people expecting something different?
My first and favorite learning experience with flight was in the old flight model. crashed straight into an asteroid around Grim Hex, was kind of embarrassed but i laughed real hard about it. But that taught me that i need to more more in control of the speeds i was traveling. This current flight model feels like im being hand held to much.
I see this expensive studio, expensive custom props, slick lighting, custom puppets for a 60 second bit... I no longer wonder where nearly a billion dollars in funding has gone
@matteobarbarini3120 I've yet to get on a server without 10 people asking if the Idris is spawning. The number of Phase 3 completed for me is 2. The number of "abandoned" is 10. I didn't manually abandon them either. All this is documented in the mobiglass contracts tab. Quit sqawking "lies after lies" because you had a different experience.
could be, its at least 5 away. If Sq42 doesn't make them 100s of millions we can wave bye bye to 1.0. They might not even have the fund to make it to Sq42 realise, we will find out after IAE. The game is in real trouble man.
Like I said after Kickstarter and switch to AAA+ = 2026-2027 release quality and a few years after Kickstarter I added 2025-2026 for sq42. This is why I ignored every release date estimate, CIG and Chris new when it switched to AAA+ focus there was no way to do it within a decade as Dev costs to release quality and Labor hours as I said back then approx ONE BILLION USD / 10+ years / for a MMO at AAA+ quality. this is why I didn't back originally as I was wondering how they were going to get the rest of the millions and 10+ years + quality Devs + gamers are stupid, impatient and have almost no understanding on game Dev outside fiction and dis-info folks like EA, friends and shills BS consumers with so they can sell them less while pretending it's more. I just made an estimate based on the facts at the time, my Dev knowledge etc, that's why nothing is a surprise for me or even other developers and why I haven't changed my estimate in 10 years.
@@Garris_Shrike you understand that balance changes happen over the course of a games life and this is essentially a balance change to address the skill gap problem they had in the previous flight model between expert players and average players. Don’t get me wrong, this flight model sucks and the old one was 100 times better. I’m just not that mad with them implementing drastic balance changes while they figure out the optimal system. 1.0 won’t be waiting on balance changes which only really effect the outcome of PvP fights. If everything else was ready the game would ship today while they continue to balance and adapt the flight model post 1.0.
I am now on my 4th day of not doing anything in IAE Day 1, I barely got to get the ship rented, elevators where bugged so could not leave the station Day 2, could not rent a ship .. for 3 hours I just looked at ships. Day 3, I finally rented at ship, and after 2 hours of trying to get elevators to work, logged. Day 4, most exciting day "Drake" I finally got to my hangar, but the hangar bay doors didn't open - after 3 hours I gave up. These are the exact same issues I had last IAE, and the IAE before that, - something as simple as "just playing the game" is still not possible, why would I care about crafting and new ships, when it's still the same issues as the last 3 years...
Really strange. I didn't had a single issue. The performance of servers were a bit worse than usual. but still much better than last year. Played many hours without crash or gamebreaking bugs. Visited IAE, killed many Idris, did all the cargo-missions... no problem, really! ... Anyhow, some ppl. complained. Eventually, the region was bad? (EU was broadly fine)
I've played around 8 hours a day every day this IAE without issue. Honestly from speaking with my org. Some people just get the issue bug. We have a few like that. But the majority of us have been doing ship testing, stanton events, and other activities just fine. I do think though if you play during the top of the peak hours at the evening you are more likely to find them due to server congestion if I had to guess.
Think you guys got lucky. The lifts of micro tech feed on many people. Week day early morning the servers where fine. By evening most I joined where crashing or just didn't have thing working. mostly lifts or hostile spawns.
I'm so fucking tired of CIG putting the cart before the horse. Why are we even worried about any of this shit like engineering, crafting, and ship customization/outfitting when we don't even have a working BASIC ship component system? Half the stats on the modules are meaningless and don't even function. It's an illusion of variety, and none of it matters yet. I don't even understand why we have all these options when 90% don't matter? Make basic outfitting do SOMETHING before you even start worrying about engineering/overclocking, crafting, etc. Jesus christ...
There IS somebody "for" master modes: CIG. The reason isn't that it helps game play. The reason is somewhat that it reduces required physics frame rates, but mainly because it reduces network requirements. The "requirements" include not only bandwidth, but the quality of how the code reacts to problems. Recovering from poor handling of errors on a slow network is easier than doing so when things must recover faster.
They fucked up with MM introducction and keep fucking it up. Fuck crafting, how or why do i have the knowledge to craft a better thruster than a Spaceship manufacturer??? why wouldn't that manufacturer offer me a higher level thruster? A solo combat pilot can craft it but a whole spaceship manufacturer can't? wtf?
The way i envision it is a solo pilot will go to a player or org who specializes in developing that better thruster and you purchase from a player instead of AI, driving a player driven economy? Idk man im try to be hopeful lol
These videos are always such a beautiful encapsulation of why CIG will never be held to account. 0:36: "I did not complete a single mission." 0:42: "I am so happy they started with this ship, because this ship makes me happy."
Account for what? A game still in development? If you think you can design one faster or better, definitely throw up a link when you have it out. Otherwise, these things take time and responses like this are why 100% of every other studio keeps their development behind closed doors.
They have just been throwing shit at a wall for years now and hoping something sticks. It's a full loot pvp hardcore mmo with out the net code to support that experience in the slightest and its no where close to being anything other than a techdemo.
@@mattvmalone I mean we're 10 years after the first implementation of a Flight Model in SC, 3rd lead developper to work on this atrocious mess, and that trainwreck is still not figured out YET. So yeah, it's fair to say they don't know what they are doing.
The only thing Elite Dangerous got right was the flight model. Two modes - flying in 6 degrees of movement in normal space - easily balanced and then the Intra-System Frame Shift space. Sounds like they're describing the ability to manually fly longer distances quickly, than ever before. Currently we are spending more time stuck in QT where there's nothing to do and we can't get out of the chair or it drops out of QT, so the engineering game play won't be an option either, unless they change it. Will Star Citizen be fun? When?
On the first patch where master modes was implemented, I logged in excited about the new patch, played for a few hours, logged out, and simply never had a desire to log in again since then. Wasn't angry or anything, just a general disinterest. I would describe the feeling is like if you were listening to an audiophile system for 10 years, and then one day someone came through and said you can only use a bluetooth source on that system from now on. Just never turned the system back on from a calm lack of interest... Still watch the videos though :)
I haven't really played since MM either. It's just not fun, and it took me 2 days MAX to realize that. The only reason MM has lasted this long is because the devs are working on a different game.
With all the bugs and low tier features, at least flying felt rewarding. I forced myself playing for longer hoping that MM would grow on me but I just logged in less and less until I just don't anymore.
Well at least you know how your money is wasted.... This company could not organize a BJ in a whoooorehouse with a mit full of fifties.... Cig is utterly pathetic anymore. I've never played E.D. But Jesus it almost seems like at least those devs aren't lavishly soaking up crowd funds
4:50 It sounds like they got utterly hammered. Avenger (and us similarly-aligned folks) are not "getting what we want" - They are making flight less of an obnoxious pain, but nothing about this presentation has implied that they are solving the underlying, fundamental geometric problem that allows fighters to engage larger ships at ranges that larger ships cannot engage fighters.
@@triforcecorgis1209 Interceptors and many fighters actually _can_ solo larger ships with relative ease and have been able to since before Master Modes' introduction: The Geometric Issue. Master Modes itself just makes flying ships generally, big and small, unintuitive and obnoxious and unresponsive and not at all the physics-based experience we used to have with Pritchett's flight model.
I don't think that issue can be addressed without physicalized damage and armor, and essentially "turning off" the ability for fighter size weapons to damage large/capital ships in meaningful ways. Fighters will be fending off enemy fighters to protect their large ships and bombers, and peppering down the shields and pdc's of the other large ships in groups so that the bombers and heavier weapon ships can come in and do the actual significant damage. The ranges won't matter if the smaller weapons just don't penetrate from long range, or at all. And I think the current issues mostly only exist (after removing nav/master modes ofc) because right now we just have a gamified HP system that doesn't take anything into account except for raw damage numbers of weapons up to an arbitrary total that soft deaths or destroys a ship
@@st0rm4g3dd0n What you're talking about is effectively what they've been talking about, and I think it's very lame to make large ships _fully_ immune to swarms of smaller ships. The triangle should be gunships < bombers < fighters < gunships, with gunships and defensive turrets being effective against fighters but not so effective against bombers. PDCs are probably _too_ effective right now for what they need to be. Armor doesn't need to be physicalized to be effective; applying a system of damage reduction in addition to the already-existing damage resistances (currently broadly used to apply a 50% ballistic resistance across the board) would suit the goals quite fine, making larger ships more resilient against small ship repeaters and making cannons more attractive for attacking large ships. If Armor is instead going to be "Make Me Immune to anything smaller than Size X," I can guarantee there are single or dual seaters that have those weapons, or else that makes it so that large ships can't even engage other large ships, which is bonkers. Making it a game of attacking shield emitters might help a little, requiring fighters to get in closer to try to disable them, but that feels to star-warsy and presents an incongruity with small ships not having physical shield emitters. Physical components still won't solve the problem, either, because the ships will drop into a disabled state instead of a dead state...but that just means it becomes a target to destroy or board with impunity and doesn't change anything in the greater tactical situation. The geometric problem is, simply stated, small ships are able to engage large ships at ranges at which large ships are not able to engage small ships. Because they use the same or very similar weapons, small ships are much more able to evade effective fire at ranges they can apply effective fire onto larger ships, and their speed and acceleration allows them to control those ranges with a far greater efficacy, especially with the low combat speeds and crippled performance characteristics of large ships that came with Master Modes. The solution is not simple but can be highlighted by the following bullet points: 1) reduce, slightly, the performance of small ships, and increase the performance of large ships somewhat, reducing the massive disparity (something like 12g nonboost for the best-performing ships and 4g nonboost for the worst-performing ships), 2) increase the combat speed walls to around 600-900 m/s for the largest/smallest ships, respectively, 3) reduce the nominal range of smaller guns (S1 and S2, 1500m and 2000m respectively), 4) increase the nominal range of bigger guns (S4+), 5) reduce the sizes of weapons on S1 and S2 ships such that almost no S2 ship carries S4 guns and no S1 ship carries S3 guns, 6) implement a damage reduction system for larger shields and ships to make small repeaters less able to apply effective damage, and 7) radically rework the power management system to allow larger ships to have much larger capacitors and apply extra power to their weapons in order to increase their velocity, up to double their nominal values.
a friend of mine who doesnt play star citizen often has a huge problem getting into the game anymore. He says before it was way more intutive and clear but this whole Modes and Operator modes is confusing him so much.
As someone who drops in and out following the development when something tickles your fancy it's the same feeling. Can't even stand playing this shit as a tech demo now days.
I understand the CIG devs treat Elite as a dirty word in their studio, but like Elite has such an elegent and simple solution to combat speed, and travel speed which is: when your weapons are deployed you ships speed output is reduced because the power is diverted from your main engines, to maneuvering thrusters, and weapons, when they are stowed your ship flys a lot faster, and the difference between those two feels a million times less arbitrary. While i do understand they have two very different design philosophies, its gettinf so frustrating watching CIG try to reinvent the wheel on literally everything, when half of these design problems have been solved in pretty simple and ingenious ways in other games!
Elite isn't perfect... small ships are virtually useless because they aren't much more agile than mediums and lack the necessary dps to do any real damage to anything but other smalls. I'm pretty sure there isn't a speed penalty for having hard points deployed either...
At this point it seems they would rather steer into dangerous waters than accept a life like from elite dangerous foundations. Greedy mindset at the cost of our dollars
For what I gathered it is not about combat speeds they been talking about fully I noticed that they talk about it once by putting more power into your engines will give you more speed so you can flee from battle but you then loose power to other sysmtems. To me there talking about Quantum travel and how to make it faster to me tier 5 should only give you 20 percent advantage in that. For me is the Fuel Usage that is frustrating having to refuel halfway travelling cross a system. Only having Hydrogen to last 30 Minutes in a combat zone. That to me needs to be changed.
This is essentially what they are doing but it's based in the power management and engineering mechanics, as well as the crafting/upgrade mechanics. They're effectively creating a "gameplay" mode (SCM) and a "travel" mode when it comes to speed. The travel mode is just switching power from your QD to your shields, which hopefully will require no more steps than turning on your QD. The weird in between step of nav is going away. And most of the balancing is going to be in the base stats of the ships + the player choice in upgrades and tuning. But it's based in the fundamental systems, so they don't need to make gamified arbitrary "modes". Which is how it should have been all along IMO, they just don't have all the tech implemented that's needed still....physicalized damage and armor, engineering, crafting, etc. So this doesn't feel to me like a redesign or a reconcept, master modes is what felt like a fever dream that was a complete departure from what they always talked about for the end goal
@@Lazuralusthe most fun I had in Elite Dangerous was in an Imperial Eagle that I engineered specifically to wreck larger ships. I was on the bleeding edge of what my ship was capable of, if I fired my railguns and PA canon too much I would cook myself to death as the Engineered Engines ran very hot, but the Railguns and PA were the only way to get the DPS necessary to kill larger ships. I also had to remove my shield completely in order to have enough power for everything else. Which meant I had a very small margin for error and it was a blast Small fighters became the bane of my existence tho as railguns and PA canons are hard to hit on small targets.
@@markcritic2409 Speed is irrelevant in that scenario. A fighter WILL always catch an industrial ship regardless of speed. You will get caught, it's a choice of whether you fight or negotiate. Airbus A320 versus F15, you are not winning any battle or escaping.
@@SkintAlot yeah... and that's where Starlumper's got a decent chance. So long as her shields are up, she's actually pretty nimble to turn and keep on target.
The primary reason master modes exist is because of the console port. CIG is banking on the console port to fill their coffers. Just imagine the look on their faces when they realize that they have completely bled dry this genre.
The puppet sequence had some fantastic chat comments. "there goes 2 million" and "the money they spent of this skit they could have fixed the reclaimer" those had me rolling.
You can tell that server meshing might actually be here soon because they're already talking about the new savior Jesus tech, crafting. Get ready to spend the next 5 years being told that they're not fixing or improving stuff because it'll magically get better with crafting, or the real fix requires crafting, etc etc etc.
In 3.14 the equalized all weapons and equipment and it took the until 3.23 to start the work again. Tells you everything how they manage the backer money.
It seems like when this idea for Master Modes comes to fruition shields are going to be for new players and for flying around POIs, everyone else is going to fight fast and depend their survivability on their armour
Master Modes is terrible. I'm not entirely convinced this new solution is better - but they were being super vague and unclear about how this will all work. I suspect that is because they put together this presentation a few weeks ago.
I bought 150scu packs of 4scu of copper titanium and whatever the last one was in my c2 and did the same mission over and over 6 times its all in the same station
I did this with the Helium, Hydrogen, Bexalite mission as well. Bought 30 of each to cover what I'd need for the missions, parked at the station and turned it in one after the other. Sold off the leftovers at TDD. Bex was the only one I had to wait for, and it was like 10-15 min for restock.
I like how they've discussed Master modes this round as currently it's missing quantum boost which is the middle mode between Quantum and SCM which we've only seen on one show and Squadron 42's video which looked very ideal, I've been waiting for quantum boost for a while. And I like that they've made ship upgrades matter in some way, being able to upgrade past basic SCM with tunings, research and so on. I'm certain the Travel mode we have currently was just a bandaid for Quantum boost
They seem to say as much. It kinda makes sense with the way that you can immediately step down your speed when flicking from NAV to SCM - it seems to be intended to replicate how it'll be turning off your quantum drive to drop out of boost, ie different rules of physics applying.
I don't think I have ever seen people as clueless to solve a problem they already solved years ago but didn't realize it but fired the one person with a clue. This is just hilarious.
I like the new MM changes. I personally like the new QT boost, and then being able to upgrade the stats of my ships through better components. Its starting to feel like a long term video game to play
We have NONE of the things you say you like other than MM changes. You THINK you will like QTB, upgrading components, etc. You like the IDEA of them happening. They don't exist. They probably won't exist until mid/late next year. You can't like them yet. Curb your enthusiasm. They will F that up too, probably to sell a ship.
@@randomuserame That is your opinion. Im personally glad to see an upgrade to the flight model and I am able to understand CIG vision and the why for the changes. Since its all opinion based, it sucks to be you. I wouldn't want to be in your situation.
Why does it feel like this game is being developed by the same 10-20 people? What exactly are the other 1200+ people doing? Is there a breakdown of how many of each job title they currently have? Which yes I know SQ42, but even MM came out of that so what exactly is being worked on?
Ah yes.... the "Elon" line of questioning. "What have you got done this week." and "What is your role and why is it important?; Essay on my desk by end of day."
EDIT: Mike, what is that at 21:36? Is it something UA-cam did, or a glitch in the edit? That just stabbed the shit out of my right ear. 🤕 CIG: We actually want you to spend LESS time in your ship, in this game. Also CIG: We want you to buy this brand new ship and continue using this as a funding model. MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS! XD
The future of this game is very worrying. The 1.0 dream may not be a reality. SC is operating as a ship with holes and people using buckets to deal with the flooding.
8:46 Internal telemetry (fyi that is the system within a video game that automatically collects data about player actions, game events, and system performance) is thier primary source of feedback.
What if instead of having binary modes (slow shielded vs. fast unshielded) each ship was given a "shield strength range" contingent on speed, e.g. a Polaris might have 100% shield strength at
I think the Jalopy is the first ship that falls apart while you fly it, out of combat and away from anything to run into, based on some kind of low chance calculation. Falls apart faster if you try to make sudden moves in combat. Something about that sounds fun to me.
The modes were never the problem, its the anemic ass speeds while in SCM, and the overall complete gutting of available force our ships used to implement because of tri-chording. All they had to fucking do was increase SCM speeds by 1.5-2x there current speeds, so we could actually dodge shots flying at us at 1000+m/s. And increase overall initial impulse thrust of ships while decreasing their later acceleration so people can manuver a better.
How about this: Start in SCM mode. As you gain speed you reach the maximum SCM speed for THAT particular ship, and the ship automatically transitions SEAMLESSLY, with perhaps an audible hum and crackle, into Quantum Boost, accelerating up to the maximum Boost speed, for THAT particular ship. (~5-10% of Quantum Travel speed) Weapons and shields automatically power down at 1500m/s. (for example) In order to travel beyond 10% of Quantum Travel speed, YOU must manually switch into Quantum Travel Mode and select a target as your destination. There should be no selection of Boost Mode required, just fluid acceleration. No need to turn off weapons, shields, life support, or anything; Just a steady acceleration curve. Each ship's SCM and Boost curves can be predictably enhanced thru component choice. Why take something so simple, and complicate it beyond reason. No need to defy all logic, or ignore the known laws of physics. No weapons or shields beyond 1500m/s for anyone. Simple.
I did copper/titanium/tungsten for P4, was pretty easy and there was tons of stock. The worst part was having to manually load the titanium/tungsten at Lathan, I loaded up the copper at Magnus Gate because I was originally looking for bexalite and realized it was never going to be in stock and pivoted to the copper mission. Loaded up 12x8SCU, 6x4SCU, 6x2SCU and 6x1SCU crates per commodity and then knocked out the 6 missions at Pyro gate. I used the Taurus with it's tractor beam turret and made 3 trips to Pyro gate.
2:26 False. I am for it. Master Modes allows me to approach a statin at an insane speed and unrealistically slow down immediately by holding B. Just like backspace, never change this. I don't care about the suffering otherwise caused by mm.
Went back dogfighting for first time in ages for save stanton phases, caveat, only against buggy npcs, but when they worked I found myself manouvering and barrel rolling and evading and really enjoyed the fight over-all. I did a lot pre-master modes and can say without doubt my brief experience was much better with MM than without.
2029: "We know many of you don't like the flight model yet. But we want you to share Chris' vision, which we've all been trying to reach. To that end, we've mailed everyone the same strain of Mary Jane that Chris smokes. We ask that you light up a doobie and try flying again. This will help you experience Chris' vision for Star Citizen."
I love how they have all these ships from way back when that will only come out after 1.0 while all these new ships and varients we didnt ask for are getting made every month.
This just made QT dampening ships way more valuable now. If you fly with a squadron and have a Mantis or Scorpius Antares, you can pin the enemy down while you pounce on them with other ships.
it's because they 100% dont. they listen to their own feedback and the feedback of their fascist level players (most of whom seem to be griefers) and pretend they're doing what's best for the players. MM was a failure to begin with, we all know this. and the only people who seem to want MM are those who go after players with cargo ships in small fighters and claim they're "pirating."
How is literally the simplest gameplay loop the most fucked up right now? I would like to see CIG release fixes with these event missions to make them at least somewhat playable.
This is what happens when u have alpha plastered everywhere while at the same time treating the game like a live service 😂 If they'd focus on bugs over events maybe we would be happier
I think that is all going to be adjusted as they start bring hull and shields online. They also said they are increasing weights and all that. I think they want to get that portion in to then figure out how the flight model changes and all that. So no point in reiterating on the system until it is all in place and then fix it as a whole unit.
I like what they are doing. They clearly are listening and we know MM is not complete. Trying to figure what the everybody starting experience will be and how to personalize flying to be tailored and have effects on the economy is interesting and I am for it. We may not like the current mode but them telling us where they want to go with it is always appreciated.
I think they are addressing how master modes was meant to dumb flight down a bit for newbies but now we can customize our way back to something approaching the old model.
@@jrsydvl7218 A solution for that would be to have specific zone ‘levels’, where one zone would be heavily guarded and be more for noobs, while other zones are for high level players. I think what they are trying to do is to reduce or smooth out the difficulty curve.
@@jrsydvl7218 what's even worse even if noob upgrade his ship he will still fail miserabely the whole idea of yooo guys we have crafting now you can Craft-Anti-MM Module is biggest BS I've heard this month... with such an opinions like those how they are even allowed to talk publicly on camera it's embarasing
I understand their solutions not tenable, and hopefully they get feedback on this and make adjustments, but I just... (rant incoming) If A1 quits, it just proves how out of touch, arrogant, and self centered he is. Ive seen his pre-MM snub/light fighter gameplay, the average speeds during combat manouvers were like 300m/s, maybe at most 500 on the absolute fastest ship speeds. BUT, when MM came around, all he could talk about was how MM needed its flight speeds set to around 400, 500 preboost... which is the maximum flight speeds he was fighting at before MM. His ENTIRE argument was predicated on lies; he JUST does not want his pedestal as a top combat pilot even remotely rocked. And any truth that came out of his stance came about after the fact when he had to double down and think really hard about how to defend his stance (of which solutions are on the table he just ignored them). -MM is not bad and doesn't need to be increased in terms of speeds? Well, what about combat geometry and large ships? (flack, point defence turrets, ship armor) -Well, boosting feels slow. (FEELS, it isnt, its super snappy and doubles the speeds at which you can fight and effectively doesn't change how combat is as opposed to over 2 years ago. Best I would want is perhaps faster boost recharge at base. The real issue here is perspective, not master modes) -Ship armor will just change the meta to the smallest ship with the largest guns (which typically means slower ships, and is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT) -And big shields+armor just means you die longer (unless you disable the components completely, in which case a well stocked multicrew ship can outlast the fighter... and will be dealt with appropriately through PDTs and flak turrets anyways) -But ship geometry at these speeds (flak. Anti fighter armaments, which was always the plan. Sure, though, non flak turrets should absolutely get a base projectile speed increase by virtue of being a turret, thats not a bad fix but that has nothing to do with MM... and you want MM to be faster, which would just exacerbate this issue anyways) -But But combat is just two people pointing their noses at each other and mag dumping. (Jesus fucking christ, thats just how combat IS. The most optimal firing solution is to be behind your opponent mag dumping into his butt cheeks, which applies to both fighters and means, generally speaking in a 1v1 you are both turning figure 8s trying to get behind each other, WHICH MEANS that like 50, 60% of the time your pointing your nose at each other and mag dumping. Fancy lingo does NOT mean you aren't doing this... Ive seen the footage). I'm not happy with a lot of what MM has done (no shields in nav was a bad choice and a lot of the old component lists don't work with the current flight model), but its not about the changes itself, it was never the changes for these people. They were upset that the skill floor was raised and more people were being allowed to compete, because this means that their eliteness wasn't as special anymore. In any case, sorry for the rant. A1 wont leave over this, he's too full of shit and disingenuous and its his entire career. He will just bitch and moan and make another video saying master modes is bad because he's so smart and skilled and the game wont let him be so smart and skilled any more.
MM should be a POWER PRESET that you can apply, as in the devs ensure NO ship (or only very special ones) can have full shields, weapons, mobility AND spool quantum at the same time
no shields? Everyone's guns will now be 75% distortion and shut down your shield-less opponents Hey Mike, I've been trying to sell this idea on spectrum: Energy sapping. QT = no shields. OK. SO, in "shield mode", you can travel as fast as your want - BUT the tradeoff is everything only charges at your set rates up to the SCM maximum. Speed up into what used to be RED on the speedometer, the energy system starts sapping the recharge/pool from gun/shield/boost automatically. The faster into the red you go, the more energy is sapped and sent to the engines. You'll still have SOME shield and SOME guns, even at 50-100% more speed than base SCM. (Particularly handy for the sluggish Starlancer!)
From a balancing perspective it's a lot easier than what they have now. If all ships are at a set maximum speed for their current ship class, they only ever have to tweak that one number, as the crafting stuff adds to it. Every now and then they might have to move the % number the crafting adds as they include them in the game. But nerfing/buffing that initial max speed will then carry on to the upgrades if the upgrades are % based and not flat numbers themselves. Hope that makes sense. Like WoW an ability does flat damage based on your level, +% based on your item level, and then +talent bonus damage. Sounds complicated, but all they need to do is move that base damage up or down and the rest of those enhancements change with it. So a patch note will only read "X weapon now does 20% less damage" or "X ship now moves 10% slower" and that carries onto the other movement systems attached to it. It makes balancing a hell of a lot easier, and if that doesn't solve the issue, they can then dive into the component % to see if the speed issue lies there. A faster process overall.
This might be great especially if there is a smooth transition between SCM and Nav... The way I see that change, shields will be on only up to SCM speed, as that could be justifiable in some sci-fi science-ish way and in a way keeping most of combat slower, but weapons and countermeasures would stay on up to nav-mode (and there could also be some targeting limitation when you go over SCM speeds, be it for gimballed weapons or overall). Quantum boost and jump would of course force you to lose weapons.
There is very little Spacefight-feeling in this Spaceflight-Game. Actually i expect in Space to have fights in distances up to 80 or even 100km. Especially the bigger ships should see farther and also fire farther. Those 2000 to 3000m fights with the guns is actually hillariously silly. And regarding 17:01: In EVE people pay other people to attack enemy corporations for example to disrupt their business/their mining operations.
Kicking it down the road - they are doing the same with the Carrack Cargo pods. They added doors but didn't make it lower to the ground like with the original concept.
The Redhead has always talked and acted with a God Complex and I can tell he hates admitting he is completely off base. After we have paid all this money to support, this is OUR vision Chris Roberts, not yours anymore. If you wanted it to stay your vision you should not have asked us for money...
@saltemikereacts True, he could be super nice outside of CIG, but patterns are there and he is one of the faces of CIG so unfortunately perception is a key component here.
jeeeeezzzs... I can't do this BS anymore... i'm only on 3:29 and they are BS that MM will be saved by crafting and Qboost... I GIVE UP... i give up... i literaly only watch here and there mike's react videos to see if it's getting better but i'm only triggered more and more how useless iresponsible things they are doing ... and even thinks they are doing good... i can't listen to whatever lies they say after all those 12 years i've developed some kind of allergic reaction whenever they start talking anything i know it will be shit... and they can prove me wrong any time, any day, at this second they can say HEX codes are in game... but nooo noooo... overpriced idris skin that all looks the same... trigered again... i give up... i can't do this anymore...
yes CIG ... go ahead... crafting will fix MM... that's even bigger BS then player-connected-space-station that are 50 years away from being even developed... I will take a 5 min break to cool down and will give a try to watch it at least first 10 minutes to see if it gets better and logical but so far it can't get worse...
I hope that crafting different tiers of ship is rather refitting sections of a ship in order to install bigger components and/or weapons, at the cost of lifespan AND requirement of operator skills. For instance a bigger weapon can only be charged every so often without doing damage to the ship structure/ blowing out a fuse / damaging components. So an "upgrade" is not just crafting the better item, but you also got to know that the operator of that component got the experience to handle it.
There was a flight model they had about 10 years ago that was some of the most fun I ever had, truly the fighting was about the skill of the pilot. Smaller ships had a chance in combat IF you could fly. Nowadays I try to avoid combat because it's just not fun.
CIG needs to look at what happened in Elite with Engineering (their version of crafting). All upgrades were significant, in return for a long grind finding materials. It meant that anybody that wasn't in a highly engineered PvP specific ship was just meat for the grinder in a PvP encounter. It absolutely murdered any sense of balance in the game, and almost everyone fucked off to private group and solo modes to avoid PvP.
☝yep. that's a risk they seem to get dangerously close to with crafting.
A genuine 16,500 hours spent in ED I know why it broke.
This was exactly the problem that should ensure the type of crafting CIG wants never enters the game. Elite's engineering was the perfect example of why this should never be allowed. Engineering was great for the solo player or non-combat gameplay but awful for any sort of balanced combat. To Frontier's credit, they did try to add tangible negatives to engineered components. For every positive you would also get a negative. Of course, the positives always greatly outweighed the negatives. Aand with the right combo of traits and player persistence you could engineer an upgrade that hardly had negatives at all. IF we do a real crafting upgrade system for SC, there need to be real negatives. Upgrading performance should be a risk. Like hot-rodding a car or overclocking a computer. You might be able to squeeze a little extra performance out of the system, but at great risk of just detonating the whole thing if you got it wrong. Upgrades need to add weight or extra resource draw (power, cooling, etc), or be prone to breaking down, lower the component HP, etc. Yeah you can upgrade, but you have to be careful. Maybe those upgraded thrusters require an extra tick of power and 2 extra for cooling and now you don't have as much headroom for guns or shields. That sort of thing.
That's 100% what I heard when they mentioned the crafting to improve ship stats. And having the industrial ship force to take down its shields on top of that is hilarious.
That's the main reason people don't play in open in ED, and there's not even this option here...
elite dangerous is way to complex for the indie devs at CIG to understand.
They did master modes dirty so people would spam discussions with "MM" to obstruct searches for the *Banu *MM**
Facts
I have one. It has lost my interest (so BIG!), but I bought mine for next to nothing so I can't force myself to melt it lol.
@2:40 When Jared says "We want to talk about what our plan is, what our vision is..." that's pretty much the main problem with star citizen in the 13th year of development. They are still mostly talk. Will backers give them another 0.8 Billion to play with? Seems like at this rate they are going to need it to deliver a functional game.
Yes! The vision should've been locked in for 5 years already but they still treat it like they were still in the kickstarter phase spitballing ideas. Infuriating!
C'mon, this level of plan and vision "has never been done before". Just give them 12 more years to decide what their grand vision is.
Jared is a hack
Yes the backers will xD And thats the sad part, its basically still a scam citizen, but its like a religion. They will defend their dream game against everything, even if its obviously wrong
@@SolarWindsRider This sort of thing happens all the time in game development, but we're in a unique position to see 'behind the curtain' on SC, but aims and directions are constantly in change, just as Jared's set/ship is called 'the only constant is change' in game development. It's not being clueless, it's just an extremely complex system whose scope was never even conceived of 10 years ago.
I never wanted to admit this, but this is what being clueless looks like.
They know how individual systems work but not how the collective interacts, and they seem to have never been designing the game with that in mind...
This sort of thing happens all the time in game development, but we're in a unique position to see 'behind the curtain' on SC, but aims and directions are constantly in change, just as Jared's set/ship is called 'the only constant is change' in game development. It's not being clueless, it's just an extremely complex system whose scope was never even conceived of 10 years ago.
@@explorer47422 I'm a software developer myself, granted not a game dev, but we typically know how things will workout most of the time, this is because we don't have the luxury of rolling back stuff because it breaks the user experience, I think this is what CIG lacks, they think they can keep on trying, but it's not the case anymore.
@@explorer47422it is being clueless about game development, actually.
It is like a child designing a game with a long bullet point list of features thinking they're a genius because nobody else thought of a realistic looking minecraft universe before.
Thinking it up like that is the easy part the hard part is to both make it work and be enjoyable to play.
You can add acorns that grow to trees all you want into a game but thats not actually what matters in the slightest
@@explorer47422 No, these sort of things happen to a degree in game development. But no milestone would be greenlit or passed if this happened as constantly and frequently as it happens in over 10y at CIG. It's a company full of noobies in all departments except coding and art. And the leadership / management is still making games like it's 1999.
@@explorer47422 No this doesn't happen all the time in game development.. Only to extremely incompetent dev teams.. Does it happen ocassionally when a few things get overlooked? Sure. Are there moments where you try to figure out how to get mechanics to function together? Absolutely.
Is there ever a moment after 5 iterations of a game mechanic, 10 years into development, and you still have F all no clue how its going to work, how its going to interact with other mechanics, and having no sense of any idea wtf you're doing? Absolutely not for any team that isn't brain rotted incompetent....
Unfortunately for us.. CIG is apparently brain rotted incompetent to a very high extreme.
"do you ever feel like you're a soulless marketing puppet" lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo
Oh yeah
They all are.
Not even Chris oversees the game. Marketing does. Chris is a figurehead with no power or influence.
@@randomuseramei think chris mainly cares about SQ42, so he pretty much said marketing "do everything needed to keep the ship afloat"
It’s super simple.
No more nav mode, you’re always in SCM with SCM flight speeds.
If you turn off your shields and turn on your QDrive (still in SCM!), you get the ability to quantum boost and quantum travel while still in SCM.
That’s the whole thing. It’s all just changing which component is powered on using engineering/power management.
Yes, but not always scm with scm speed but scm with nav speed.
@@janschmid281tier one ships have bower speeds like scm and tier 5 ships get nav mode speeds as their default.
This takes away the pay to win advantage
@@janschmid281 Thought he said the opposite. That default speeds will be closer to current SCM.
Remember the objective was to have combat at closer ranges? Higher speeds increases the engagement distance. I do wonder if the pushback is forcing them to acknowledge they cannot have knife distance combat in star system sized play spaces....
@@janschmid281 no, default speed is close to SCM. It's what they said.
They seem to have a "concept of a plan" and nothing more.
What do you do when master modes are bad?
Correct, you rename them to "operator modes" and throw in crafting and another additional mode into the mix.
Just throwing new ideas out to see what sticks. Start working on a new feature, sell a ship related to said feature, abandon that feature for the next thing just in time for CitCon.
@@senn4237 You forgot the part where they cut features to see if they can get away with it. They didn't with trying to remove base building from the Galaxy but they seem to be getting away with it when removing repair functionality from the hangar on the polaris.
@@RN1441They aren’t removing features, they’re delaying them until the tech is mature, aka in 2000 years. There’s a difference between removing and delaying features. Plus, IAE Show has always been about describing far off concepts through the 3 episodes, why are people expecting something different?
there's never been a plan.. PU was always just a way to fund wannabe film director CR's cut scene games
My concierge pledge went towards paying John Crewe the bribe to sing on camera. You're welcome.
My first and favorite learning experience with flight was in the old flight model. crashed straight into an asteroid around Grim Hex, was kind of embarrassed but i laughed real hard about it. But that taught me that i need to more more in control of the speeds i was traveling. This current flight model feels like im being hand held to much.
I ran into space stations, asteroids, crashing on a planet while flying at night. I loved the old model!!
I see this expensive studio, expensive custom props, slick lighting, custom puppets for a 60 second bit... I no longer wonder where nearly a billion dollars in funding has gone
Listening this while trying to even complete 1 phase 4, since every elevator is broken and people are having a hard time just getting out of rooms.
i do not know what you are playint at. I did my 6 missions phase 4 super easy
@matteobarbarini3120 good for you buddy, if only one someone not having issues helped the rest of the community
The safe Stanton missions are broken
Couldn't deliver the boxes
Tried several server hops and restarted the game.
No success!
@@updrivedownthrow4557 lies over lies
@matteobarbarini3120 I've yet to get on a server without 10 people asking if the Idris is spawning. The number of Phase 3 completed for me is 2. The number of "abandoned" is 10. I didn't manually abandon them either. All this is documented in the mobiglass contracts tab. Quit sqawking "lies after lies" because you had a different experience.
All I hear is "we need 10 more years"
could be, its at least 5 away. If Sq42 doesn't make them 100s of millions we can wave bye bye to 1.0. They might not even have the fund to make it to Sq42 realise, we will find out after IAE. The game is in real trouble man.
12*
Like I said after Kickstarter and switch to AAA+ = 2026-2027 release quality and a few years after Kickstarter I added 2025-2026 for sq42.
This is why I ignored every release date estimate, CIG and Chris new when it switched to AAA+ focus there was no way to do it within a decade as Dev costs to release quality and Labor hours as I said back then approx ONE BILLION USD / 10+ years / for a MMO at AAA+ quality.
this is why I didn't back originally as I was wondering how they were going to get the rest of the millions and 10+ years + quality Devs + gamers are stupid, impatient and have almost no understanding on game Dev outside fiction and dis-info folks like EA, friends and shills BS consumers with so they can sell them less while pretending it's more.
I just made an estimate based on the facts at the time, my Dev knowledge etc, that's why nothing is a surprise for me or even other developers and why I haven't changed my estimate in 10 years.
@@Garris_Shrike you understand that balance changes happen over the course of a games life and this is essentially a balance change to address the skill gap problem they had in the previous flight model between expert players and average players.
Don’t get me wrong, this flight model sucks and the old one was 100 times better. I’m just not that mad with them implementing drastic balance changes while they figure out the optimal system.
1.0 won’t be waiting on balance changes which only really effect the outcome of PvP fights. If everything else was ready the game would ship today while they continue to balance and adapt the flight model post 1.0.
They don't even got SQ42 ready, People need to stop giving them money . . Like Holy fk . .
Only way they move is when they need money.
20yrs in development
"It wont take till 2030" - Mr CR
I remember when people who said release date 2020 were called haters.
I am now on my 4th day of not doing anything in IAE
Day 1, I barely got to get the ship rented, elevators where bugged so could not leave the station
Day 2, could not rent a ship .. for 3 hours I just looked at ships.
Day 3, I finally rented at ship, and after 2 hours of trying to get elevators to work, logged.
Day 4, most exciting day "Drake" I finally got to my hangar, but the hangar bay doors didn't open - after 3 hours I gave up.
These are the exact same issues I had last IAE, and the IAE before that, - something as simple as "just playing the game" is still not possible, why would I care about crafting and new ships, when it's still the same issues as the last 3 years...
So, did you buy any more ships?
Really strange. I didn't had a single issue. The performance of servers were a bit worse than usual. but still much better than last year. Played many hours without crash or gamebreaking bugs. Visited IAE, killed many Idris, did all the cargo-missions... no problem, really! ... Anyhow, some ppl. complained. Eventually, the region was bad? (EU was broadly fine)
I've played around 8 hours a day every day this IAE without issue. Honestly from speaking with my org. Some people just get the issue bug. We have a few like that. But the majority of us have been doing ship testing, stanton events, and other activities just fine. I do think though if you play during the top of the peak hours at the evening you are more likely to find them due to server congestion if I had to guess.
My experience has been completely opposite of yours.
Think you guys got lucky. The lifts of micro tech feed on many people. Week day early morning the servers where fine. By evening most I joined where crashing or just didn't have thing working. mostly lifts or hostile spawns.
I'm so fucking tired of CIG putting the cart before the horse. Why are we even worried about any of this shit like engineering, crafting, and ship customization/outfitting when we don't even have a working BASIC ship component system? Half the stats on the modules are meaningless and don't even function. It's an illusion of variety, and none of it matters yet. I don't even understand why we have all these options when 90% don't matter? Make basic outfitting do SOMETHING before you even start worrying about engineering/overclocking, crafting, etc. Jesus christ...
You do know the ship component system is directly tied to resource management, right?
The mastermode crap is what you say when you know you fucked up, but don't want to say you fucked up.
There IS somebody "for" master modes: CIG. The reason isn't that it helps game play. The reason is somewhat that it reduces required physics frame rates, but mainly because it reduces network requirements. The "requirements" include not only bandwidth, but the quality of how the code reacts to problems. Recovering from poor handling of errors on a slow network is easier than doing so when things must recover faster.
They fucked up with MM introducction and keep fucking it up. Fuck crafting, how or why do i have the knowledge to craft a better thruster than a Spaceship manufacturer??? why wouldn't that manufacturer offer me a higher level thruster? A solo combat pilot can craft it but a whole spaceship manufacturer can't? wtf?
直抒胸臆，言简意赅，love it.
The way i envision it is a solo pilot will go to a player or org who specializes in developing that better thruster and you purchase from a player instead of AI, driving a player driven economy? Idk man im try to be hopeful lol
These videos are always such a beautiful encapsulation of why CIG will never be held to account.
0:36: "I did not complete a single mission."
0:42: "I am so happy they started with this ship, because this ship makes me happy."
Account for what? A game still in development? If you think you can design one faster or better, definitely throw up a link when you have it out. Otherwise, these things take time and responses like this are why 100% of every other studio keeps their development behind closed doors.
@Billy-bc8pk 100% of other developers deliver actual games with 800,000,000 of funding and 16 years development time.
@@chris.harvey9274 Ubisoft hasn't delivered Beyond Good & Evil 2 after 16 years of development time and hundreds of millions of dollars.
Ubisoft hasn't delivered Beyond Good & Evil 2 after 16 years of development and hundreds of millions of dollars.
@@Billy-bc8pk Lol.
you know, seeing CIG employees as puppets... it all makes sense now...
The moment you realize they have no clue WTF they are doing. 😂
They have just been throwing shit at a wall for years now and hoping something sticks. It's a full loot pvp hardcore mmo with out the net code to support that experience in the slightest and its no where close to being anything other than a techdemo.
@Hugh-Janis-EMP unfortunately after 10 years I agree. ☹️
The moment you realize you have no idea what they're doing
@@mattvmalone I mean we're 10 years after the first implementation of a Flight Model in SC, 3rd lead developper to work on this atrocious mess, and that trainwreck is still not figured out YET. So yeah, it's fair to say they don't know what they are doing.
@@qenyaithandrill7848 When you're obviously clueless on anything regarding development, ya really shouldn't say anything about it.
The only thing Elite Dangerous got right was the flight model. Two modes - flying in 6 degrees of movement in normal space - easily balanced and then the Intra-System Frame Shift space. Sounds like they're describing the ability to manually fly longer distances quickly, than ever before.
Currently we are spending more time stuck in QT where there's nothing to do and we can't get out of the chair or it drops out of QT, so the engineering game play won't be an option either, unless they change it.
Will Star Citizen be fun? When?
On the first patch where master modes was implemented, I logged in excited about the new patch, played for a few hours, logged out, and simply never had a desire to log in again since then. Wasn't angry or anything, just a general disinterest. I would describe the feeling is like if you were listening to an audiophile system for 10 years, and then one day someone came through and said you can only use a bluetooth source on that system from now on. Just never turned the system back on from a calm lack of interest... Still watch the videos though :)
Remarkably similar to my thoughts. I wonder how manY people feel the same.
@@richardnicholls9569very many, why the player base is at 60% less than it was before MM.
😂😂
I haven't really played since MM either. It's just not fun, and it took me 2 days MAX to realize that. The only reason MM has lasted this long is because the devs are working on a different game.
With all the bugs and low tier features, at least flying felt rewarding. I forced myself playing for longer hoping that MM would grow on me but I just logged in less and less until I just don't anymore.
I appreciate CIG coming out with these videos telling me not to bother going back to the game on a regular basis
Well at least you know how your money is wasted.... This company could not organize a BJ in a whoooorehouse with a mit full of fifties....
Cig is utterly pathetic anymore. I've never played E.D. But Jesus it almost seems like at least those devs aren't lavishly soaking up crowd funds
@@SHMITGAMINGINC Given how fed up you are, why not just play ED and stop following Star Citizen?
4:50 It sounds like they got utterly hammered. Avenger (and us similarly-aligned folks) are not "getting what we want" - They are making flight less of an obnoxious pain, but nothing about this presentation has implied that they are solving the underlying, fundamental geometric problem that allows fighters to engage larger ships at ranges that larger ships cannot engage fighters.
My light fighter can also not solo everything now. This is outrageous!
@@triforcecorgis1209 Interceptors and many fighters actually _can_ solo larger ships with relative ease and have been able to since before Master Modes' introduction: The Geometric Issue. Master Modes itself just makes flying ships generally, big and small, unintuitive and obnoxious and unresponsive and not at all the physics-based experience we used to have with Pritchett's flight model.
I don't think that issue can be addressed without physicalized damage and armor, and essentially "turning off" the ability for fighter size weapons to damage large/capital ships in meaningful ways. Fighters will be fending off enemy fighters to protect their large ships and bombers, and peppering down the shields and pdc's of the other large ships in groups so that the bombers and heavier weapon ships can come in and do the actual significant damage. The ranges won't matter if the smaller weapons just don't penetrate from long range, or at all. And I think the current issues mostly only exist (after removing nav/master modes ofc) because right now we just have a gamified HP system that doesn't take anything into account except for raw damage numbers of weapons up to an arbitrary total that soft deaths or destroys a ship
@@triforcecorgis1209lol you guys are so uninformed, A1 made a video where he solos an Hammerhead with a Fury to prove how broken flight geometry is
@@st0rm4g3dd0n What you're talking about is effectively what they've been talking about, and I think it's very lame to make large ships _fully_ immune to swarms of smaller ships. The triangle should be gunships < bombers < fighters < gunships, with gunships and defensive turrets being effective against fighters but not so effective against bombers. PDCs are probably _too_ effective right now for what they need to be. Armor doesn't need to be physicalized to be effective; applying a system of damage reduction in addition to the already-existing damage resistances (currently broadly used to apply a 50% ballistic resistance across the board) would suit the goals quite fine, making larger ships more resilient against small ship repeaters and making cannons more attractive for attacking large ships. If Armor is instead going to be "Make Me Immune to anything smaller than Size X," I can guarantee there are single or dual seaters that have those weapons, or else that makes it so that large ships can't even engage other large ships, which is bonkers. Making it a game of attacking shield emitters might help a little, requiring fighters to get in closer to try to disable them, but that feels to star-warsy and presents an incongruity with small ships not having physical shield emitters. Physical components still won't solve the problem, either, because the ships will drop into a disabled state instead of a dead state...but that just means it becomes a target to destroy or board with impunity and doesn't change anything in the greater tactical situation.
The geometric problem is, simply stated, small ships are able to engage large ships at ranges at which large ships are not able to engage small ships. Because they use the same or very similar weapons, small ships are much more able to evade effective fire at ranges they can apply effective fire onto larger ships, and their speed and acceleration allows them to control those ranges with a far greater efficacy, especially with the low combat speeds and crippled performance characteristics of large ships that came with Master Modes.
The solution is not simple but can be highlighted by the following bullet points: 1) reduce, slightly, the performance of small ships, and increase the performance of large ships somewhat, reducing the massive disparity (something like 12g nonboost for the best-performing ships and 4g nonboost for the worst-performing ships), 2) increase the combat speed walls to around 600-900 m/s for the largest/smallest ships, respectively, 3) reduce the nominal range of smaller guns (S1 and S2, 1500m and 2000m respectively), 4) increase the nominal range of bigger guns (S4+), 5) reduce the sizes of weapons on S1 and S2 ships such that almost no S2 ship carries S4 guns and no S1 ship carries S3 guns, 6) implement a damage reduction system for larger shields and ships to make small repeaters less able to apply effective damage, and 7) radically rework the power management system to allow larger ships to have much larger capacitors and apply extra power to their weapons in order to increase their velocity, up to double their nominal values.
"We are trying to execute Chris' vision" tells the whole problem ...
as the meme goes: "There's your Problem."
@@wakirk i know whats wrong with it, aint got no gas in it.
This was always the reality. Why do you even follow this game then?
Chris will sink his own ship like he did last time if he doesn't start producing for the people. Selfish he is
a friend of mine who doesnt play star citizen often has a huge problem getting into the game anymore.
He says before it was way more intutive and clear but this whole Modes and Operator modes is confusing him so much.
As someone who drops in and out following the development when something tickles your fancy it's the same feeling.
Can't even stand playing this shit as a tech demo now days.
I understand the CIG devs treat Elite as a dirty word in their studio, but like Elite has such an elegent and simple solution to combat speed, and travel speed which is: when your weapons are deployed you ships speed output is reduced because the power is diverted from your main engines, to maneuvering thrusters, and weapons, when they are stowed your ship flys a lot faster, and the difference between those two feels a million times less arbitrary. While i do understand they have two very different design philosophies, its gettinf so frustrating watching CIG try to reinvent the wheel on literally everything, when half of these design problems have been solved in pretty simple and ingenious ways in other games!
Elite isn't perfect... small ships are virtually useless because they aren't much more agile than mediums and lack the necessary dps to do any real damage to anything but other smalls.
I'm pretty sure there isn't a speed penalty for having hard points deployed either...
At this point it seems they would rather steer into dangerous waters than accept a life like from elite dangerous foundations. Greedy mindset at the cost of our dollars
For what I gathered it is not about combat speeds they been talking about fully I noticed that they talk about it once by putting more power into your engines will give you more speed so you can flee from battle but you then loose power to other sysmtems. To me there talking about Quantum travel and how to make it faster to me tier 5 should only give you 20 percent advantage in that. For me is the Fuel Usage that is frustrating having to refuel halfway travelling cross a system. Only having Hydrogen to last 30 Minutes in a combat zone. That to me needs to be changed.
This is essentially what they are doing but it's based in the power management and engineering mechanics, as well as the crafting/upgrade mechanics. They're effectively creating a "gameplay" mode (SCM) and a "travel" mode when it comes to speed. The travel mode is just switching power from your QD to your shields, which hopefully will require no more steps than turning on your QD. The weird in between step of nav is going away. And most of the balancing is going to be in the base stats of the ships + the player choice in upgrades and tuning. But it's based in the fundamental systems, so they don't need to make gamified arbitrary "modes". Which is how it should have been all along IMO, they just don't have all the tech implemented that's needed still....physicalized damage and armor, engineering, crafting, etc. So this doesn't feel to me like a redesign or a reconcept, master modes is what felt like a fever dream that was a complete departure from what they always talked about for the end goal
@@Lazuralusthe most fun I had in Elite Dangerous was in an Imperial Eagle that I engineered specifically to wreck larger ships.
I was on the bleeding edge of what my ship was capable of, if I fired my railguns and PA canon too much I would cook myself to death as the Engineered Engines ran very hot, but the Railguns and PA were the only way to get the DPS necessary to kill larger ships.
I also had to remove my shield completely in order to have enough power for everything else. Which meant I had a very small margin for error and it was a blast
Small fighters became the bane of my existence tho as railguns and PA canons are hard to hit on small targets.
"So we take away nav speed from Nav mode and call it quantum boost. This will solve all issues."
Its not about fast combat, its about agility in combat.
try the Starlugger Max @ 115.... it's about speed too.
@@markcritic2409 Speed is irrelevant in that scenario. A fighter WILL always catch an industrial ship regardless of speed. You will get caught, it's a choice of whether you fight or negotiate.
Airbus A320 versus F15, you are not winning any battle or escaping.
@@SkintAlot yeah... and that's where Starlumper's got a decent chance. So long as her shields are up, she's actually pretty nimble to turn and keep on target.
So, this is what no mans sky does.
You have travel speeds, and pulse jump.
lol
The primary reason master modes exist is because of the console port. CIG is banking on the console port to fill their coffers. Just imagine the look on their faces when they realize that they have completely bled dry this genre.
I appreciate the Q&A, we actually learnt more than the rest of the year in these couple of minutes.
The puppet sequence had some fantastic chat comments. "there goes 2 million" and "the money they spent of this skit they could have fixed the reclaimer" those had me rolling.
It's always the cart before the horse with SC lol
I can't even lie to you, the "Do you ever feel like a soulless marketing puppet?" got a genuine laugh out of me.
You know they know we hate it and Yogi when they have two folks talk about it that are not connected to it...
You can tell that server meshing might actually be here soon because they're already talking about the new savior Jesus tech, crafting. Get ready to spend the next 5 years being told that they're not fixing or improving stuff because it'll magically get better with crafting, or the real fix requires crafting, etc etc etc.
If they want quantum boost to be out primary mode of fast transportation then it NEEDS to be STEERABLE. This is a MUST.
And they've shown off Quantum boost before it is absolutely steerable
That's the goal of quantum boosting--whether it's going to be what we end up getting is another thing entirely.
The ship is sinking
They will sell you a MK2 of it.
@@mariopenulli1395 It better have LTI
In 3.14 the equalized all weapons and equipment and it took the until 3.23 to start the work again. Tells you everything how they manage the backer money.
It seems like when this idea for Master Modes comes to fruition shields are going to be for new players and for flying around POIs, everyone else is going to fight fast and depend their survivability on their armour
Chris is ordering his muppets around doing this and that. and the result is a ever changing circus that never end
We have a lot of disagreements but one thing we can agree on is that mastermodes suck ass
You're just bad. It's OK.
Master Modes is terrible. I'm not entirely convinced this new solution is better - but they were being super vague and unclear about how this will all work. I suspect that is because they put together this presentation a few weeks ago.
At Boeing they said: Clowns supervised by monkeys... or was it the other way round?
I bought 150scu packs of 4scu of copper titanium and whatever the last one was in my c2 and did the same mission over and over 6 times its all in the same station
I did this with the Helium, Hydrogen, Bexalite mission as well. Bought 30 of each to cover what I'd need for the missions, parked at the station and turned it in one after the other. Sold off the leftovers at TDD. Bex was the only one I had to wait for, and it was like 10-15 min for restock.
I like how they've discussed Master modes this round as currently it's missing quantum boost which is the middle mode between Quantum and SCM which we've only seen on one show and Squadron 42's video which looked very ideal, I've been waiting for quantum boost for a while. And I like that they've made ship upgrades matter in some way, being able to upgrade past basic SCM with tunings, research and so on. I'm certain the Travel mode we have currently was just a bandaid for Quantum boost
They seem to say as much. It kinda makes sense with the way that you can immediately step down your speed when flicking from NAV to SCM - it seems to be intended to replicate how it'll be turning off your quantum drive to drop out of boost, ie different rules of physics applying.
i think that an answer to shitty SC experince is SQ42 and until they finish it we won't get any major changes in PU
I keep hearing that Squadron will reflect the PU. If that's the case, I don't want either.
@@jrsydvl7218 it will work better since it's not an mmo but when they release it is a big question 😀
Jared looks like his eyes were glazed over when the vision for the new approach was being explained...
So now it's gonna be turtle speed or literal quantum speed? What the hell LMAO
no. you'll have a faster and much broader range of speed in NAV, up to 0.1 of quantum speed.
CIG is a joke. They never finish anything, then there’s backlash, so they come back and half finish it again.
have you ever thought that's their strategy?
Master modes just needs to go completely
I don't think I have ever seen people as clueless to solve a problem they already solved years ago but didn't realize it but fired the one person with a clue. This is just hilarious.
Who did they fire? Is Yogi gone?
I like the new MM changes. I personally like the new QT boost, and then being able to upgrade the stats of my ships through better components. Its starting to feel like a long term video game to play
We have NONE of the things you say you like other than MM changes.
You THINK you will like QTB, upgrading components, etc. You like the IDEA of them happening. They don't exist. They probably won't exist until mid/late next year. You can't like them yet. Curb your enthusiasm. They will F that up too, probably to sell a ship.
@@randomuserame That is your opinion. Im personally glad to see an upgrade to the flight model and I am able to understand CIG vision and the why for the changes.
Since its all opinion based, it sucks to be you. I wouldn't want to be in your situation.
PvP and component tiers is a recipe for complete and utter BS.
"We will modify the master modes into operator modes where you craft a thing that will make you go more faster."
Why does it feel like this game is being developed by the same 10-20 people? What exactly are the other 1200+ people doing? Is there a breakdown of how many of each job title they currently have? Which yes I know SQ42, but even MM came out of that so what exactly is being worked on?
Ah yes.... the "Elon" line of questioning.
"What have you got done this week." and "What is your role and why is it important?; Essay on my desk by end of day."
EDIT: Mike, what is that at 21:36? Is it something UA-cam did, or a glitch in the edit? That just stabbed the shit out of my right ear. 🤕
CIG: We actually want you to spend LESS time in your ship, in this game.
Also CIG: We want you to buy this brand new ship and continue using this as a funding model.
MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS! XD
The future of this game is very worrying. The 1.0 dream may not be a reality.
SC is operating as a ship with holes and people using buckets to deal with the flooding.
8:46 Internal telemetry (fyi that is the system within a video game that automatically collects data about player actions, game events, and system performance) is thier primary source of feedback.
Statistically speaking they should have gotten it right by now 😂
What if instead of having binary modes (slow shielded vs. fast unshielded) each ship was given a "shield strength range" contingent on speed, e.g. a Polaris might have 100% shield strength at
I think the Jalopy is the first ship that falls apart while you fly it, out of combat and away from anything to run into, based on some kind of low chance calculation. Falls apart faster if you try to make sudden moves in combat. Something about that sounds fun to me.
The modes were never the problem, its the anemic ass speeds while in SCM, and the overall complete gutting of available force our ships used to implement because of tri-chording. All they had to fucking do was increase SCM speeds by 1.5-2x there current speeds, so we could actually dodge shots flying at us at 1000+m/s. And increase overall initial impulse thrust of ships while decreasing their later acceleration so people can manuver a better.
How about this: Start in SCM mode. As you gain speed you reach the maximum SCM speed for THAT particular ship, and the ship automatically transitions SEAMLESSLY, with perhaps an audible hum and crackle, into Quantum Boost, accelerating up to the maximum Boost speed, for THAT particular ship. (~5-10% of Quantum Travel speed) Weapons and shields automatically power down at 1500m/s. (for example) In order to travel beyond 10% of Quantum Travel speed, YOU must manually switch into Quantum Travel Mode and select a target as your destination. There should be no selection of Boost Mode required, just fluid acceleration. No need to turn off weapons, shields, life support, or anything; Just a steady acceleration curve. Each ship's SCM and Boost curves can be predictably enhanced thru component choice. Why take something so simple, and complicate it beyond reason. No need to defy all logic, or ignore the known laws of physics. No weapons or shields beyond 1500m/s for anyone. Simple.
Soon those SCL and other episodes will be called The Jared Show. Putting production time and staff to good use !
The moment you realise your backer money paid for these puppets
Holy ship Jared is out of control
JC is just savage, can't believe they managed to make him sing🤣
I did copper/titanium/tungsten for P4, was pretty easy and there was tons of stock. The worst part was having to manually load the titanium/tungsten at Lathan, I loaded up the copper at Magnus Gate because I was originally looking for bexalite and realized it was never going to be in stock and pivoted to the copper mission. Loaded up 12x8SCU, 6x4SCU, 6x2SCU and 6x1SCU crates per commodity and then knocked out the 6 missions at Pyro gate. I used the Taurus with it's tractor beam turret and made 3 trips to Pyro gate.
2:26 False. I am for it. Master Modes allows me to approach a statin at an insane speed and unrealistically slow down immediately by holding B. Just like backspace, never change this. I don't care about the suffering otherwise caused by mm.
I quite like it, feels like engine-braking lol
But you will be able to do exactly the same with Quantum Boosting
@@Silverhawk-u2f I'll have an opinion on quantum boosting when they actually put it in the game, but it's a fair point that you make.
Went back dogfighting for first time in ages for save stanton phases, caveat, only against buggy npcs, but when they worked I found myself manouvering and barrel rolling and evading and really enjoyed the fight over-all. I did a lot pre-master modes and can say without doubt my brief experience was much better with MM than without.
2029: "We know many of you don't like the flight model yet. But we want you to share Chris' vision, which we've all been trying to reach. To that end, we've mailed everyone the same strain of Mary Jane that Chris smokes. We ask that you light up a doobie and try flying again. This will help you experience Chris' vision for Star Citizen."
Man, where's the money going to develop this game? :Watches this and sees hand puppets: Yup. There it is.
that display hornet at CitCon was easily $250k
I love how they have all these ships from way back when that will only come out after 1.0 while all these new ships and varients we didnt ask for are getting made every month.
This just made QT dampening ships way more valuable now. If you fly with a squadron and have a Mantis or Scorpius Antares, you can pin the enemy down while you pounce on them with other ships.
That's...what they already did.
That already exists. It existed before master modes
It feels like they dont listen to us
it's because they 100% dont. they listen to their own feedback and the feedback of their fascist level players (most of whom seem to be griefers) and pretend they're doing what's best for the players. MM was a failure to begin with, we all know this. and the only people who seem to want MM are those who go after players with cargo ships in small fighters and claim they're "pirating."
How is literally the simplest gameplay loop the most fucked up right now? I would like to see CIG release fixes with these event missions to make them at least somewhat playable.
This is what happens when u have alpha plastered everywhere while at the same time treating the game like a live service 😂
If they'd focus on bugs over events maybe we would be happier
Bruh they are just making it up at this point, MM failed and they are simply throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks
I think that is all going to be adjusted as they start bring hull and shields online. They also said they are increasing weights and all that. I think they want to get that portion in to then figure out how the flight model changes and all that. So no point in reiterating on the system until it is all in place and then fix it as a whole unit.
I like what they are doing. They clearly are listening and we know MM is not complete. Trying to figure what the everybody starting experience will be and how to personalize flying to be tailored and have effects on the economy is interesting and I am for it. We may not like the current mode but them telling us where they want to go with it is always appreciated.
we just need that billion dollars, then we can figure out how the ships fly in the video game we have been working on for 12 years.
I think they are addressing how master modes was meant to dumb flight down a bit for newbies but now we can customize our way back to something approaching the old model.
Then they'd be right back to where they started. A skilled pilot would still tear through a noob because the noob wouldn't have an upgraded ship.
@@jrsydvl7218 A solution for that would be to have specific zone ‘levels’, where one zone would be heavily guarded and be more for noobs, while other zones are for high level players. I think what they are trying to do is to reduce or smooth out the difficulty curve.
@@_Ker If they do implement zoned levels, we're still stuck with a broken flight model.
@@jrsydvl7218 what's even worse even if noob upgrade his ship he will still fail miserabely the whole idea of yooo guys we have crafting now you can Craft-Anti-MM Module is biggest BS I've heard this month... with such an opinions like those how they are even allowed to talk publicly on camera it's embarasing
@@jrsydvl7218 I doubt the flight model in sc 1.0 will be the same as it is now. At least I hope it won’t.
I understand their solutions not tenable, and hopefully they get feedback on this and make adjustments, but I just... (rant incoming)
If A1 quits, it just proves how out of touch, arrogant, and self centered he is.
Ive seen his pre-MM snub/light fighter gameplay, the average speeds during combat manouvers were like 300m/s, maybe at most 500 on the absolute fastest ship speeds. BUT, when MM came around, all he could talk about was how MM needed its flight speeds set to around 400, 500 preboost... which is the maximum flight speeds he was fighting at before MM. His ENTIRE argument was predicated on lies; he JUST does not want his pedestal as a top combat pilot even remotely rocked. And any truth that came out of his stance came about after the fact when he had to double down and think really hard about how to defend his stance (of which solutions are on the table he just ignored them).
-MM is not bad and doesn't need to be increased in terms of speeds? Well, what about combat geometry and large ships? (flack, point defence turrets, ship armor)
-Well, boosting feels slow. (FEELS, it isnt, its super snappy and doubles the speeds at which you can fight and effectively doesn't change how combat is as opposed to over 2 years ago. Best I would want is perhaps faster boost recharge at base. The real issue here is perspective, not master modes)
-Ship armor will just change the meta to the smallest ship with the largest guns (which typically means slower ships, and is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT)
-And big shields+armor just means you die longer (unless you disable the components completely, in which case a well stocked multicrew ship can outlast the fighter... and will be dealt with appropriately through PDTs and flak turrets anyways)
-But ship geometry at these speeds (flak. Anti fighter armaments, which was always the plan. Sure, though, non flak turrets should absolutely get a base projectile speed increase by virtue of being a turret, thats not a bad fix but that has nothing to do with MM... and you want MM to be faster, which would just exacerbate this issue anyways)
-But But combat is just two people pointing their noses at each other and mag dumping. (Jesus fucking christ, thats just how combat IS. The most optimal firing solution is to be behind your opponent mag dumping into his butt cheeks, which applies to both fighters and means, generally speaking in a 1v1 you are both turning figure 8s trying to get behind each other, WHICH MEANS that like 50, 60% of the time your pointing your nose at each other and mag dumping. Fancy lingo does NOT mean you aren't doing this... Ive seen the footage).
I'm not happy with a lot of what MM has done (no shields in nav was a bad choice and a lot of the old component lists don't work with the current flight model), but its not about the changes itself, it was never the changes for these people. They were upset that the skill floor was raised and more people were being allowed to compete, because this means that their eliteness wasn't as special anymore.
In any case, sorry for the rant. A1 wont leave over this, he's too full of shit and disingenuous and its his entire career. He will just bitch and moan and make another video saying master modes is bad because he's so smart and skilled and the game wont let him be so smart and skilled any more.
travel distance, agility , shield and weapons , powerbanks etcs is something that would be nice to upgrade over time :3
MM should be a POWER PRESET that you can apply, as in the devs ensure NO ship (or only very special ones) can have full shields, weapons, mobility AND spool quantum at the same time
19:31 Mike Next year..HAHAHA Could not say that with a straight face.
no shields? Everyone's guns will now be 75% distortion and shut down your shield-less opponents
Hey Mike, I've been trying to sell this idea on spectrum: Energy sapping. QT = no shields. OK. SO, in "shield mode", you can travel as fast as your want - BUT the tradeoff is everything only charges at your set rates up to the SCM maximum. Speed up into what used to be RED on the speedometer, the energy system starts sapping the recharge/pool from gun/shield/boost automatically. The faster into the red you go, the more energy is sapped and sent to the engines. You'll still have SOME shield and SOME guns, even at 50-100% more speed than base SCM. (Particularly handy for the sluggish Starlancer!)
From a balancing perspective it's a lot easier than what they have now. If all ships are at a set maximum speed for their current ship class, they only ever have to tweak that one number, as the crafting stuff adds to it. Every now and then they might have to move the % number the crafting adds as they include them in the game. But nerfing/buffing that initial max speed will then carry on to the upgrades if the upgrades are % based and not flat numbers themselves. Hope that makes sense. Like WoW an ability does flat damage based on your level, +% based on your item level, and then +talent bonus damage. Sounds complicated, but all they need to do is move that base damage up or down and the rest of those enhancements change with it. So a patch note will only read "X weapon now does 20% less damage" or "X ship now moves 10% slower" and that carries onto the other movement systems attached to it. It makes balancing a hell of a lot easier, and if that doesn't solve the issue, they can then dive into the component % to see if the speed issue lies there. A faster process overall.
This might be great especially if there is a smooth transition between SCM and Nav... The way I see that change, shields will be on only up to SCM speed, as that could be justifiable in some sci-fi science-ish way and in a way keeping most of combat slower, but weapons and countermeasures would stay on up to nav-mode (and there could also be some targeting limitation when you go over SCM speeds, be it for gimballed weapons or overall). Quantum boost and jump would of course force you to lose weapons.
As someone who owns a BMM I am excited for the idea of player trading and being able to craft and aell things to players and orga
There is very little Spacefight-feeling in this Spaceflight-Game.
Actually i expect in Space to have fights in distances up to 80 or even 100km.
Especially the bigger ships should see farther and also fire farther.
Those 2000 to 3000m fights with the guns is actually hillariously silly.
And regarding 17:01: In EVE people pay other people to attack enemy corporations for example to disrupt their business/their mining operations.
@saltemike "where do they get the money from? The website shop of course"
I too love the Drake Vulture
Kicking it down the road - they are doing the same with the Carrack Cargo pods. They added doors but didn't make it lower to the ground like with the original concept.
The Redhead has always talked and acted with a God Complex and I can tell he hates admitting he is completely off base. After we have paid all this money to support, this is OUR vision Chris Roberts, not yours anymore. If you wanted it to stay your vision you should not have asked us for money...
You are judging the book by its cover…not exactly fair.
@saltemikereacts True, he could be super nice outside of CIG, but patterns are there and he is one of the faces of CIG so unfortunately perception is a key component here.
jeeeeezzzs... I can't do this BS anymore... i'm only on 3:29 and they are BS that MM will be saved by crafting and Qboost... I GIVE UP... i give up... i literaly only watch here and there mike's react videos to see if it's getting better but i'm only triggered more and more how useless iresponsible things they are doing ... and even thinks they are doing good... i can't listen to whatever lies they say after all those 12 years i've developed some kind of allergic reaction whenever they start talking anything i know it will be shit... and they can prove me wrong any time, any day, at this second they can say HEX codes are in game... but nooo noooo... overpriced idris skin that all looks the same... trigered again... i give up... i can't do this anymore...
yes CIG ... go ahead... crafting will fix MM... that's even bigger BS then player-connected-space-station that are 50 years away from being even developed...
I will take a 5 min break to cool down and will give a try to watch it at least first 10 minutes to see if it gets better and logical but so far it can't get worse...
Quantum boost is a great idea, the changes to further choice are welcome
So the space anchor is a feature, not a mistake. Oh boi
They're putting in the ED engineering that if you don't have a fully upgraded ship, you just lose.
I hope that crafting different tiers of ship is rather refitting sections of a ship in order to install bigger components and/or weapons, at the cost of lifespan AND requirement of operator skills. For instance a bigger weapon can only be charged every so often without doing damage to the ship structure/ blowing out a fuse / damaging components. So an "upgrade" is not just crafting the better item, but you also got to know that the operator of that component got the experience to handle it.
There was a flight model they had about 10 years ago that was some of the most fun I ever had, truly the fighting was about the skill of the pilot. Smaller ships had a chance in combat IF you could fly. Nowadays I try to avoid combat because it's just not fun.
I just avoid the game because it's not fun.