Our website: www.justandsinner.org Patreon: / justandsinner This video is from a Q&A podcast in which I give my thoughts on the growing Neopaganism in the Western world.
Turns out when you don’t violently enforce Christianity onto people some of them go back to what they were doing before that. Monotheistic religions have only ever existed in an environment where the state picks the religion and enforced it. People naturally don’t all have one major religion like Christianity or Islam. It’s been a deviation brought on by empires trying to unite the people they conquered under one god instead of their native and local gods.
@beeswillinherittheearth5084 - Christianity has NEVER been as you state "violently enforced" - Roman Catholicism enforced conversations - what a travesty - Roman Catholicism is not Christianity - Christianity is not a religion - it is a fact based faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ - and the word of God in the true manuscripts ( The Received Text) No religion - it is a reconciled relationship with our Creator through His provision.
This is historically false. Christianity was not "violently enforced" in Europe. Europe became Christian in two phases: 1. Inside the Roman Empire, when it was ILLEGAL! So how could you say it was enforced, when in fact it was the opposite, they were persecuted! Yet they still became the majority, while it was illegal to be a Christian! 2. The rest of Europe, after the Fall of the Roman Empire: when the pagan barbarians were winning battle after battle against the crumbling and collapsing Roman empire, how could the Romans force those barbarians to convert to Christianity? Maybe you should stop and think a little, if you imagine that early Medieval Europe was "forced" to convert to Christianity. Think about it again: how could the losers of a war, a collapsing empire, "force" the victors into converting to their religion?
@@praevasc4299 Christianity was not the dominant religion in Rome before Emperor Constantine made it the state religion. It became the majority after the Emperor forced it onto the citizens. Between Constantine’s conversion to Christianity and the invasion of the “pagan barbarians” was 200+ years. If you read anything about European history it’s full of kings, tiny dictators, forcing their people to convert en mass. Right up till the enlightenment they did this. It’s why the United States adopted separation of church and state. You’re full of shit, maybe read something informative.
@@praevasc4299 before Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity the majority of Rome was not Christian. After his conversion he forced people to convert by making it the state religion. Between Constantine’s conversion and the fall of the Roman Empire was hundreds of years. All throughout European history kings, tiny dictators, would change their state religions and convert all their subjects en mass right up until the enlightenment, like the 1700s. It’s why the United States adopted separation of church and state. You’re ignorant inform yourself. This “just asking questions” approach doesn’t work when you’re actually being honest with information, yes I am implying you’re dishonest.
@@beeswillinherittheearth5084 No, it's you who is being dishonest. Christianity did not appear from a vacuum, and except a few rare exceptions, it was not forced from top to bottom. I know it's alluring to think of Christianity as something being made up by the ruling class to control the population, but this is absurd. Why would they make up a religion which teaches that all humans are equal in front of God, and the last will become the first? In fact the religions before Christianity were designed by the ruling class, where your status in this life affected your position in the afterlife and you'll be serving your earthly lords in the afterlife. Christianity, as opposed to other religions in that place and time, was the religion of the oppressed, the religion of the commoners. When rulers adapted Christianity it was because a substantial portion of the population was already Christian.
Paganism is way more nuanced then you know. Just simply labeling it all as demonic shows how much you don’t know. You are right in saying we as humans are inherently spiritual beings seeking truth. Just because it’s not your belief doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I would consider myself pagan and think Jesus is a good example for anyone to live by, but so is Buddha, so is Krishna…. Etc. You can find truth in all beliefs. All one can do is be a good person, find truth in your own way, and ONLY the creator can judge what all they have created. Many blessings friend!
You've neglected to mention the racial aspect of this. As mainstream society doubles-down on the notion that "there never was a white culture" peoples of European heritage are returning to their ancestral religions.
@@turnipsociety706 there were MANY white cultures. Indo-European people's developed their own unique ways of being which are every bit as valid and every other ethnic group. We, Ethno-nationalists, don't care at all about the opinions of those who refuse to recognise us as the guardians of our own destiny. You can make any claim you like about the accuracy or semantics of certain words, but everyone know what "White" means and whites most definitely have their own unique cultures. We don't owe anyone an explanation or apologies for doing things our way. Don't like it? Fuck off.
They want some traditional belief. But at the same time don’t want Christianity because that would mean that they would have to repent and stop their sinful lifestyles.
@@gch8810 christianity is not traditional to anything, not even judaism because it purposely broke that tradition. Its just an artificial faith, like mormonism or scientology.
Its really reawakening of the west to its true self in the age of empires the state told you how you must live your life what you can and can not believe in this intolerant atmosphere Christianity thrived. However people are awakening to the fat this attitude does not work in the modern world and people a re realizing this and now that there is no official state religion that can discriminate against you based on faith people are returning to their true selves.
An interesting view. You say the powers that pagans appeal to are demonic, but of course most pagans don't see it that way. Wiccans for instance see themselves as worshiping or working with the God and Goddess, and followers of Asatru or Norse paganism see themselves worshiping the ancient Germanic gods. From the way you described things it sounds like you're saying the worship of any god other than the Abrahamic and Christian god is demonic, which would then include other religions like Shinto and Hinduism.
Paganisms are worships of fallen Angels who deceive people into thinking they are gods. Demons are fallen Angels, Demons aren't evil by design ( they weren't created to do evil ) but they need humans to sins for them to gain power so the evil they create is simply a byproduct of them wanting their powers back so they can go back to heaven. The thing is they CHOSE to rebel against God in heaven and to wage war against him in this world too. So we're just collateral damage in a battle between entities beyond our understanding, what we as humans have to choose is which side do we think is gonna win, now one side is lying to win and the other is telling the truth to win. which one is which seems clear to me.
@@jaihummel5057 By the same token, Christians like to label anything they don't like, or don't agree with, or don't understand, as demonic. Such as slightly overdone toast, or cold, firm butter.
@princessfartsparkles6681 - Correct ! All religion springs from the minds of men - Christianity is not a religion - it is a fact based, historically proven reconciled relationship to our Creator via His provision - in the Person and work of Jesus Christ - and the word of God via the accurate manuscripts.
@methodius--9405you clearly haven't studied enough, the fact you have to repeat it like a parrot every time, indicates that in fact, you HAVE NOT studied it enough.
@methodius--9405 The original traditions are lost, but the source material aka the gods, are still there. The rituals an early Iron Age druid performed would be interesting to know, but not terribly useful. The rituals, the priesthood etc. are all just methods of interface that served a particular people in a particular time and place. Today's people can and are reconnecting with the gods and spirits of the land in ways that are relevant today. To say Pagan religion cannot work because old traditions are lost is like saying that we can never learn how to navigate a ship on the ocean because we don't know exactly how the Phoenicians did it.
I am an atheist, but I think Richard Dawkins is a bit over the top to put it mildly. Atheism for me doesn't mean that I think everyone should have my opinion or that I have the moral high ground or whatever. Believing in a higher being is just not my cup of tea. That's all. Peace.
@asper373 I don't believe in the same God that you don't believe in either. God created time, space, and matter and is therefore outside of those things.
Your religion is influenced by the polytheist philosophies of Plato and Aristotle. You owe the Canaan polytheists for the deity named Yahweh. Nothing is wrong with Paganism.
"Jewish artisans and Jewish fisher¬ men are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you" -Marcus Eli Ravage
@leeandrew8987 - Have you researched what Christianity really is? I am curious, because most people assume that Roman Catholicism is Christianity - Christianity is not a religion - it is a fact based, historically proven reconciled relationship to our Creator via His provision - Jesus Christ and the word of God in the accurate manuscripts -
@@KarmaKraftttt People want to follow the tradition and worship of their ancestors, and find meaning and purpose. There’s nothing “disgusting” about it.
@@uptown_rider8078 It is ! Old religions were much more barbaric plus I don't know why would anyone with a right mind wants to worship gods of some ancient fairytales.
When faced with the decision of a personal, spiritual path, why would anyone choose the religion that states 'you are guilty for being born'. Such a psychologically damaging statement to tell people, especially children. Religions that claim they are the only way, including Christianity, are extremely dangerous and innately psychologically abusive.
@@orion7675 No the first Christians were not gnostic - Gnosticism has nothing to do with Christianity - Gnosticism is the opposite and was introduced as an early set of heresies.
Wow. I am a Pagan and never would have watched this video if I knew it was from a holier than thou Christian point of view. To defend my spirituality here among those who think their way is the one and only way, would be completely pointless.
@@ekslycooper to claim you have a faith would require a certain set of beliefs you follow. Pagans can't have it since paganism was either an oral tradition, or had their books destroyed by Christians. Neopagans today have no connection to the original pagans in neither theory nor practice. Thus it's a game of pretend at best.
@@tedmitten8832 I didn’t use the word faith. You did. I don’t blame you. You don’t really have a choice by believing in the Bible. These beliefs aren’t even your own. You’ve taken on the beliefs of other people without even knowing what you believe is the truth . I really feel sorry for you and other people like you. Putting down my spirituality must make you feel really good and powerful. You have no idea what I believe other than I’m not a Christian. That’s really all you have to know though isn’t it to make your judgments. As a Christian, isn’t your job to make other Christians? to try and convince me that I am on the road paved to hell? well you are doing a very poor job of that.
No,I didn't get much out of this at all. Shallow & rambling. You come from a place where there is paganism all around you? Watseka, IL? I'm from Ill. I've never heard of that.
The rise in Paganism is a right-wing reaction to modernism and mass immigration. Many Modern European people have this visceral reaction to the hollow and unfulfilling nature of modernity, so they are turning to spirituality. Christianity is a universalist religion and wants to make the whole world Christian, it is also a foreign religion from outside our ancestral homeland (Europe). Pagan holidays are celebrated across where I live in England, things like mayday. There are local traditions that have carried on since before the arrival of Christianity. Paganism is indigenous, it is of the Land and it runs in the blood of kith and kin. That’s why ancestor worship is an extremely important part of paganism. Hail Great Woden, the All-Father.
Paganism is not left or right leaning, there are pagans of all sides of the political spectrum, socialists, progressives, wokes, liberals, conservatives, fascists, tradcons, etc. That's not what defines paganism. The Gods don't interfer in politics, thats an entirely human affair.
This video is talking about this topic from a Christian perspective of a black and white world view that completely misses the point of these modern movements. As a polytheist and a Norse Heathen myself, this idea that there is ONE way for humans to live, that we must be worshipers of a god and that we must spread our religion is false. Two distinct things can be true at the same time. We can live secularly, while also individually honoring the gods, and those do not need to contradict. Christians always talk about what is or isn't natural, when their religion is anything but natural itself. Paganism is growing because the gods are reaching out to people again, individually, and are seeking RECIPROCITY!!! Not because the atheists' are just so miserable not being shackled to a god. Atheists can live happy and healthy lives, with fulfillment and joy just like any religious person can. Take it from a believer, you don't need the gods to be happy... nor do they need YOU for that matter.
Do you lean toward the interpretatio romana, according to wich norse and greco-romans gods are the same entities under different names, or do you believe them to believe different entities with separate regions of influence?
@@arx3516 I'm a hard polytheist, so I believe each god is an individual, just like each human is an individual. With that said though, obviously many of the gods share qualities with one another, or have names that are cognate with each other, and honestly I just take this as human interpretations of forces which cannot rightly be understood from our point of view. The Romans weren't wrong in their approach, but neither where the Norse for insisting that their gods where distinct. Ultimately the nature of the gods is a mystery, and unlike some religious folk, I'm fine with that
@@jaihummel5057 If my gods are demons then I beg of your god to actually work a miracle in my life like I have asked him to do many times in the past. He never has and the only time he ever DID appear to me he simply threatened me and made me fearful. Thor saved me that day as well and with his hammer he scared yhwh with his overwhelming power. Always remember that of all the gods it is THOR who is the strongest
No she didn't. As usual none of you guys could see this coming just like you're a cold book Bible which has been proven wrong bajillion times already is exposed as anti God unholy and evil is proved wrong endlessly like.
I do believe that metaphysic idealism is winning ground from materialism thinking, so then mind as the basis of reality comes forward again, namely God.
@02sweden - Yes God, our Creator is the basis of reality. I have been in some of that metaphysic mumbo jumbo - so glad I got out of all that - God is good and I would not trade Him, His provision and His word for idealism, ideologies musings and the miriad of false paths and the mix of macro and micro falsehoods and deceptions. The Truth wins in the end - everyone will meet Jesus as their Saviour or as their judge - more info on my playlists - via the green circle top left. Best Wishes.
Modern man has been around for approx 300,000 years, thats 298,000 years without christianity, im sure they lived just fine without it, just like we'll do when christianity has disappeared
NT Wright raised a similar point about secularism emerging from the Enlightenment (so-called- my editorial not his) period. He points to it as the time in which western thinkers, mainly responding to things like the Lisbon earthquake on All Saints Day (I forget the year) and radical French thinkers who were attacking the corrupt Roman church in France but threw the baby out with the bathwater. He argues that the West has tried to say that this period is the turning point in history for the world. This therefore is a usurpation of the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ Jesus and the resulting tide of "secularism" filtered through Christian values but lacking any rumor of God in the public space. Would it be safe to say that you and he agree in this regard? Re: pagan area- on my way to church, I drive past a place with a wagon and a cauldron outside it; they do palm and tarot readings, etc., and all I can gratefully say is that I go to receive something vastly better in Christ's word and sacrament.
@@DrJordanBCooper Nice! Since I too find the argument compelling, I'll happily enjoy being in the agreement of two tremendous minds. God be with you, Pastor!
I think the Hindus have it figured out. Like white light being scattered through a prism, all the colours are parts of the original, and all the colours together create the white light. In this analogy, Jesus would thus be the prism, or the ego in a sense. A healthy, purified ego can experience the totality. In my case, I'm so damaged that all the colours are dimmed, unable to be brought into alignment. I feel dead inside, and I yearn for what I've lost. Thus my pursuit of Paganism is my attempt to connect with the raw, primal elements of my consciousness.
@PsychicAlchemy - while I appreciate your angle - having explored religion and Eastern Mysticism - Jesus is no prisim - and Hindus worship millions of nameless gods -what a confusion and there Shiva ( the destroyer ) etc is a hideous darkness - all it takes is humble application researching the facts and not all the endless musings - Jesus is Lord God Almighty - No wonder you are dead inside - Jesus is life and all the other stuff is death - beleive me, I have been there and in exploring that stuff - In Him ( Jesus ) is life and the life is the light of men and the Light shines in the darkness, but the darkness comprehends it not - it would be a blessing to you to explore The Truth - Lutheranism is not it - Luthernism is another sets of heresies and religious rules and rites - Jesus came to set us free - men create religions and put other people into bondage. Best Wishes. More info on my playlists - accessible by clicking on the green circle on the top left here.
No i am practicing hindu. There is only one god all other gods are his forms. Our religion has brought peace. Your god father despite being called loving is barely loving and jealous our god will let u to heaven if u dont pray him and lead a good life only thing is you will be born back again in the material plane.
I’m a pagan guy from England it’s true most of my friends are pagans and it’s growing across Europe Mother Earth rules getting back to are ancestors roots
It seems to me, in a world that is moving so fast people are looking for grounding. I see the pagan move and the Orthodox move as a similar move. A seeking for a old tradition in an age of novelty. At least the Orthodox have Christ.
Happened to be in Wittenberg in 2017 for a Luther festival. With the Schlosskirche in sight, I ran into a street vendor peddling pagan trinkets. When I asked if she had crosses, she said no, "Is a cross not hideous? How about a fish, or a sun?" Really disturbing how rationalism, totalitarianism, et cetera have led to this kind of regression--and not even to actual pre-Christian paganism, but to the silly filtered version!
Returning to pre-christian paganism would be impossible, given that Christianity completely wiped out those belief systems in the previous centuries. Reconstructionism is the only option.
I personally do not get the cross thing. that's like the last thing Jesus would've wanted his followers to wear, stick to the fish instead or maybe something to do with his craft like woodwork tools.
@@ciggystardust Christianity has nothing to do with paganism - too many people confuse Roman Catholicism with Christianity, because the Roman religion calls itself Christian as one of it's many lies and guises. Christianity is not a religion, it is a fact based, historically proven reconciled relationship to our Creator via His provision - Jesus Christ and the word of God.
@@paulread7113 Luther is not the leader of Christianity - Jesus Christ is. Christianity is not a religion - it is a fact based, historically proven reconciled relationship to our Creator via the Person and work of Jesus Christ. We do not follow Luther. Luther had many things incorrect. The are Lutherans - but their organisation has returned to it's roots in the Vatican.
Not exactly. The concept of Logos is in Judaism, but simply by a different term; this known as the Dabar YHWH (The Word of the Lord). This motif can be seen all the way through the OT.
@@axderka Saint Augustine flat out admitted to adding Platonism. If you are referring to the burning bush and that “I am” bit that’s still appropriating concepts from neo platonism and Greek thought and re interpreting the OT. The original has the name of god and it seems as though the “I am that I am” line is a pun in Hebrew about god’s name. But it’s all lost when it gets translated and then people filled in the blanks with Platonism. Even the translation of the Septuagint was done through a Greek lens so it sort of taints the original meaning. This sort of reinterpretation was done constantly with the OT depending on what empire was in power at the time. When Persia ruled that area you get all these concepts from Zoroastrianism showing up in Hebrew Scriptures. That’s where you get, new heaven, new earth, the devil, the final judgment and the resurrection. Then the more Greek interpretation of an immortal soul and heaven and hell being reward or punishment of the dead. Even if you go back you can find parallels with Mesopotamian and Egyptian religion, that’s where you get Noah and circumcision. Even YHWH is the name of a specific god in the Canaanite pantheon. There is almost nothing original in the Bible when you start looking enough at sources and influences
We need proper temples in this country. A million and a half different churches on every corner and even though there are so many of us you don't see a pagan temple anywhere.
@@TheRiddleSpinner We need a far stronger community first before we have temples. The vast majority of worship was done in the home. While it would be nice to have temples, having them be properly run and used would need a lot more work than most people are willing or able to commit. Especially with the fact that in some traditions like in Hellenic Polytheism the average person wasn't even supposed to enter the actual temple. They were restricted to the courtyard where worship by the common people would happen outside during festivals. Only the priests could enter. Shrines on the other hand are far more accessible and far easier to maintain. If we built a lot of those then that might actually get something going. But of course it all depends on the people. Reach out to your fellow Polytheists (regardless of tradition) and worship alongside them. Encourage each other to grow in faith and virtue. Way too many of us are introverts. We need to actively come together if we want anything done. May the Gods and spirits guide us!
It's so stupid to judge people's beliefs when they not harming others and just doing what makes em happy... I feel like we all christians, atheists, wiccans, neo-pagans we should all love each other. At the end of the day that's what really matters, not who holds a dumb truth or who's more special. This is dumb.
@@kylemckinney_22 Whats the solution? You forcing your religion on everyone else because you better than everyone and your opinions are the only ones that are valid? No thanks. I prefer respecting religious freedom and living in harmony with everyone. Bye
I know Pegans but no Neo Pegans,i know a few Buddhists and Hindus and a bunch who identify as Spiritual but not religious and their spirituality seems to mostly come from Buddhism and Hinduism sometimes with some reform Judaism mixed in, I'm Jewish myself but i've converted to Christisnity
Do you want an example of neo paganism? In Mexico there is a demonic entity called, Santa Muerte. “Saint” death. It uses Catholicism’s Sainthood to label their modern “Saint/god” In contrary to real Catholicism, a Saint is not God. A Saint is a man or woman who knew the real God, loved God, and did God’s will in their life.
Has there really been much a growth in Norse paganism and the like? They do exist, of course, but are still a tiny fringe group. Compare that to the rise of the nones. I also hear lots of pagan groups complaining about how they can't hold on to their kids just like Christians. The fall of Christian hegemony certainly has opened up space for paganism to return, but only a very few seem interested. If we ever get a religious revival, people will likely just go back to being Christian.
Well, currently norse paganism has become the largest non-christian religion in Iceland and is still one of the fastest growing religions there. There has been similar growth in other nordic countries like Sweden, Norway and Denmark although not on the same level as in Iceland since they have larger populations.
Why? It's simple. It has a coolness factor. It feels like being a rebel. And it's not even risky. You get all the attention for being a cool rebel, without any of the associated risks.
@OnBelayClimbOn - Lutheranism is another set of heresies - Jesus Christ is the head of Christianity, not Luther - Lutheranism is another religion - Jesus abolished religion - Christianity is not a religion. It is a fact based, historically proven provision by our Creator via the Person and work of Jesus Christ and the word of God in the accurate manuscripts.
4:20 but stoicism, scholasticism, 10 commandments, many dates of holidays and form of holidays, social, culture, traditions. its all from prechristianity, premodern
Paganism is earthy. It doesn't condemn earthly life but embraces it. Christianity teaches that the world is a dirty and wicked place and should be avoided. Christianity is negative. Paganism is optimistic. Some people also see Christianity as too cerebral, bland, and other-worldly. Judaism was much more earthy. The three festivals were tied to the harvest (sowing, firstfruits, harvest) with an added spiritual significance. Christianity is not tied to any earthly thing and hence it needs to condemn the world.
Christianity came from judaism under the rule of jesus, he was sometimes considered by some people as a rabbi and he attended to synagogues in judea, all the first christians that jesus interacted were all jews. With this in mind when the first setlers to the roman empire tried to christianize europe the emperor himself embraced christianity without any act of war or violence they accepted this new religion and most europeans incorporated their pagan traditions into Christianity and now we call these traditions "christians traditions" but in reality they were pagan. The christian faith in antiquity was highly wielded as a political tool for empire interests than a religion In antiquity Paganism was never been executed as an organized religion and pagans didnt called themselves "pagans" by those societies themselves, they just used their metaphysical interpetation as an abstract way of life that that they believe this have them "power" and that in the earth there is always a constant war by the gods because all of them are keeping us alive in this moment, fire, wind, water, ice, thunder, earth, grass, rock etc. in paganism we humans we are the center of everything in the exact middle of the universe and all the deities are in the great beyond unreachable by humans. Theres no eternal heaven, and theres no eternal hell in paganism life was seen as a cycle and continuity pagans before christianity didnt feared on "whats going to happend after death" more likely the fear is about the process of dying and not on whats coming next, dearh was an honor to serve the existence to your relatives and the pagan temples was all about to preserve those who died and they mostly worshipped their ancestors to awaken their consciousness of them but inside of your head because is often believed that we are who carry the same brain with generations.
if you mean postmodernism is that you’re teaching people that there is no truth, that’s a complete misinterpretation of the postmodernism. derrida and foucault asserted that there is a multiplicity of truth, not “no truth.” truth still exists. its just there are multiple forms of it.
Have you even read about the brutality, cruelty, genocide, committed by Christianity??? Plus forced conversations… Or do u just choose to ignore all that evil at the hands of Christianity?
The rise of paganism is sadly very simple: it allows people to have their cake and eat it too. It is a worldview that promotes acceptance and normalization of the fallen world, and fallen human nature. Thus, a pagan can experience a facsimile of having the spiritual hole in their soul filled via supernatural beliefs, rituals and aesthetics, while on a fundamental heart and conduct level, not having to change one bit. All the warm fuzzies of spirituality and religion, without the dogma and commitment. A lot of this comes from the pluralistic and relativistic nature inherent to neo-paganism due to it's lack of legitimate authority figures to codify and define the modern reconstruction of these religious systems. With some exceptions, paganism is mostly individuals and small groups cobbling together a patchwork of beliefs based on mythology, archeology, real pagan worldviews mixed with modern worldviews that practitioners take for granted, as well as a heaping helping of subjective unverifiable personal gnosis (in other words, their charismatic/enthusiastic experiences.) A great example of this is demonstrated when you ask five neo-pagans the precise nature of their "gods": you'll get five completely different answers. Whether it be literal "gods", personifications of natural forces and concepts, Jungian archetypes, or deified ancestors. Speaking from personal experience as a former neo-pagan who repented and returned to Christ.
There is nothing wrong with a personalized view of the supernatural. If you believe in a vengeful god and someone else doesn't, there is no harm done unless one of you try to impose by force your personal viewpoint on those who do not agree with your brand of superstition.
Paganism =/= immoral hedonism, armchair philosophers often make that mistake. Much of if not most Christian arguments for truth and morality were directly subsumed from Pagan philosophers. In particular, Hindu schools of moral asceticism predate even Judaism by millenia. No, rather the embrace of non-JC theology and philosophy in the West is due to the failings of contemporary Christianity in preserving and disseminating the process of theosis, in favor of propitiatory atonement theology which is logically and morally bankrupt.
@Macross DYRL With all due respect, your comment says rise of paganism, which now you move the goalposts to call it neopaganism (presumably what you really mean is the revival of shamanic or polytheistic folk religious practices by peoples with socially liberal views). But let me remind you that pagan is a Latin term meaning 'of the country or rural' coined as a insult by early Christendom for any non-christian philosophies or religions, and the Greek teachers were in serious question even up into the Middle Ages, so much so Augustine and Aquinas (among others) along the way would rewrite philosophical proofs within Christian theological terms (talk about having your cake and eating it too) Anyway the point is you paint with a wide brush using low IQ arguments that assert man as inherently depraved and neopaganism as an empty cobbling of ideas but only reflect your lack of grasp on the subject matter, as the terms chosen don't fit your assertions and secondly even "neopaganism" still covers the full of the political and moral spectrum (ie there exist morally conservative neopagans) So really what you mean to say is that liberal people bad and however they express that liberal ideology bad because inherently morally bad. Whereas you, you! are just so wonderful because of all the self-restraint and knowing the right way you can just look down on them and feel morally superior. Which, as a conservative Catholic philosopher, I find sad and precisely telling why people turned away from the Church as it lost its transcendence to wrestle about over the material. People aren't finding metaphysics in the church so they go elsewhere. All metaphysics derive from the concept of the Absolute Truth, which is what the Greeks did and later co-opted by Aquinas et al, then discarded outside of seminaries, and even then it's no longer the real core anymore.
I think Zahl's book "Seculousity" makes a great argument for the rise of secular paganism absent of traditional pagan trappings of temple/priest/deity with proxies taking the place of those trappings in a duplicitous way. I would argue that secular paganism via this path is more dangerous to society than traditional paganism because it collapses the wall between the numinous nature of worship and the reality of living in a physical world in which items in the physical world have real value mixed with religious value. Take Neil Tyson Degrasse's accidental Twitter slip where he announced that Science is truth and got taken to task for mixing a tool that helps determine facts (science) with absolute truth (faith). What are the folks fighting against masks and vaccines really responding to? Fear? Maybe some. Concern about governmental overreach? Some. But I think many are simply reacting instinctually as Christians against the way that science has been treated as objective truth...ie religion. I say this as a person with both a vaccine and a booster. But, I had to disentangle the faith of the messengers with the physical object of the vaccine. We're back to sacrificed meat, thus Secular Paganism.
No... we all are aware of the technology behind this and that it was never approved because too many animals died during testing. And of the risks of heart damage, and that it's not such a good idea to put things inside one's body with no long term safety data, and that there are concerns about it causing greater susceptibility to the thing it tries to protect against, and that big pharma is concerned about its profits and not about anyone's health and safety. And that there's 100 years of studies saying cloth doesn't stop viruses, and that metastudies also show they do nothing, and that all the current medical "experts" were saying even in 2019 that masks don't stop spread, and that it's not good to restrict people's oxygen, and that children need to see faces in order to properly develop social and linguistic skills, and that maybe dehumanising everybody by erasing our faces isn't good for society and mental health, and that the issue became a mechanism of political control and tribalism, and that a Christian shouldn't wear a lie on his face and promote the cult behind such. Many more of us are aware of personal bodily autonomy and the detrimental effect of giving the government the right to overwrite a person's ownership of his own body. Not so reactionary as your ill-thought little analysis portrays, is it? So don't place yourself on the pedestal of virtue and clairvoyance here for being the only one to see past the messengers, because you completely bought what they sold. This is in no way analogous to meat sacrificed to idols.
Hey Rus, which company has the most civil suits in history? One .ore question: which company provides the highest ad revenue for the Big 3 news networks?
Religious claims have to deal with magical ones by definition wanting to promote a idea that is not a magical one does not make it religious or magic. A valid reason to pursue truth is not wanting to live a life where you are tricked into believing a false claim on no good evidence thereby when Atheists want to push truth it is not the same as religion. *Scientism doesn't work* Millions of people seem to deal with it fine and again science is not a religion, religion has magical claims on God, the afterlife and all sorts of claims relating to the supernatural and even an obsession does not grant it religious status. You know religion has a bad reputation thereby shove it onto those who don't share your ideas (accusing everyone else of being religious). *When the Christian foundation falls people jump to Paganism* Paganism is actually the original foundation of the west you silly goose, now i don't believe in Pagan claims either but the fact is the ancient society of Rome, Greece Aztec, Maryan and all of Europe alongside the Native Americans all had Paganism as their foundation. The Christian religion was forced onto all Europeans by threat of torture and death who then centuries after being forced decided to force it onto everyone else. *Christianity or Paganism* Id go to the one that is most accurate claim wise but again as for the appeal Paganism wins in that regard as it was the faith of my ancestors that they actually developed. It was not some cult that developed out of Judaism in Palestine but rather was created in Europe and Latin America (as for all my ancestry as i am mixed). *It gives people power* You mean how pastors become large mega church pastors and cardinals become popes and people fight for leadership and money all throughout Christianity? It is false that only the Pagans try to get power. *Till Jesus returns* Good luck as that ain't gonna happen, Jesus was a false messiah, he predicted he would return in the lifetime of his followers yet bailed on that promise (1900 years overdo) so he ain't coming back. Besides Pagans could argue that the return of Paganism is the natural order and that people are finally returning to the true faith after 1700 years of being tricked by Christians
Major Premise: Amoralism is the only rational atheism. Minor Premise 1: You believe in being rational. (e.g. "A valid reason to pursue truth") Minor Premise 3: You reject amoralism. (e.g. "forced onto all Europeans by threat of torture and death") Conclusion: You reject atheism.
@stilxfound3813 - no one is stopping people from that - unfortunately most people are deceived and do not even know what they are wishing for - most have no idea what Christianity is - it is not a religion and is certainly not the Roman Catholic organisation or it's many offshoots and creations. There is a way that seems right unto men, but the end thereof is the way of death. Our Creator is good and has provided many things for us which many people misunderstand and also fail to research thoroughly or accurately.
Dr Jordan Cooper Another enlighten content for today and yet more thought provoking material to think about. By the way I really like your jumper ❤️🙏✝️God bless you brother and your noble work ❤️🙏✝️
Quit your whining and bollockings. Wake up, all you can “change” is yourself via your mind, heart, and actions. But, we can change you and all you do. Undo all your wicked actions and thoughts and views and heart. Just get over yourself. We are here to help you see the light and turn your head towards Facts and Light. Of which you are qducking away from.
I think there is room for both to coexist and reshape each other as they have for a very long time. Christ may be the son of God, he may not be, but I have reverence for his story. It's the greatest story ever told. But at the same time, the old ways and beliefs shouldn't be done away with completely. It seems foolish to condemn all of our ancestors and pridefully proclaim that we finally have it right over them.
I'm curious Dr. Cooper who are your ancestors? I'm pretty sure your ancestors worship the gods as well, until more recently of course a few thousand years. Just because your ancestors over the last 2000 years have worshiped a semitic deity doesn't mean that you have to, or that you should ignore the tens of thousands of years of ancestry that honored the gods. The gods you see are our progenitors, they are our ancestors. Hail The Gods! Hail The Ancestors! Hail The Folk! Folk Kom Hem!
@Methodius ☦️many of them converted to Christianity, but still practiced their traditional beliefs at home. Many were converted at the edge of the sword, It wasn't a true conversion. We cannot possibly know exactly how they did it, but much can be recreated if you read the lore and the Edda's etc. But this is 2023 and some things that our ancestors did then we cannot do now, but things can be adopted for the 21st century.
@Methodius ☦️ They were forced to “convert” to Christianity, on pain of death. Which is why they practiced their beliefs In secret. Many European traditions and holidays have pagan origins
@Methodius ☦️ The oral traditions were passed down through generations, and kept sacred in several European communities. It’s part of the culture, traditions, and identity of the people. Do you have to be a priest to be a Christian?
Its really interesting I once jumped on to a pagan Facebook group and asked the ones that believe in a god how do they account for the difficult problems atheists put forth like the problem of evil etc, surprisingly it almost felt like they were borrowing from Christian arguments. But at least they are searching for something ancient in paganism as then they will most likely find the truth of Eastern orthodoxy (as have quite a few of them already done). God will lead them into the real truth of Christianity (not Lutheranism but E.O) so that every man can proved a liar and God be true
@@Victor_aeternus002 Well an uncaring God/gods is really a deistic god, of course when I asked them it was specifically to those who believed in a personal God/gods.
@@ThruTheUnknown the problem of evil doesn't work in paganism, because we don't fall into the nonsense incoherence of "omnipotence", the question would be why are you pretending to label Gods under human moral categories?
Speaking as a former Norse Pagan I would say that a lot of it had to do with a confusion of cultural identity in the West. I now understand Christianity to be a world religion for everyone but at the time it felt as it was more of a middle eastern or even Southern European religion where as I could find identity in being a Northern European descended Norse Pagan and worshiping the same gods my ancestors did. Another reason it was appealing was due to the demasculinization and pacification culture of the West and Protestant Christianity, where as I felt like I could truly embrace my masculinity and competitive drive in Norse Paganism but I had to always “turn the other cheek” or love my frustrating neighbor in Christianity.
@@xiuhcoatl4830 Christianity built the West, not Norse paganism or any other type of paganism. Christianity is a world religion and not just an Eastern Mediterranean religion.
@@gch8810 hahahaha you wish... If something, christianity has only contributed to the destruction of the west. Pagans were the ones who stopped eastern invasions and settled the foundation of western civilization, that decisive moment was precisely the battle of Marathon who made all the greek polis join Athens and expulse the persians. You know what the athenians screamed in that battle after their victory? It wasn't any thanks to Yahweh or Jesus, thats for sure...
You sought paganism with the wrong motivation in your heart. First of all, true paganism honors the divine feminine as much as the divine masculine. The modern reconstruction of Norse paganism is heavily biased towards patriarchal values and it usually casts aside the female deities, just like abrahamic religions did. True paganism has space for healthy masculinity (unlike abrahamic religions), but it goes hand in hand with accepting and honoring the divine feminine. Because all of us are made of both energies and focusing on one more than the other never ends well.
Do you believe that Satan has been loosed? And that’s why we are seeing a rise in paganism? He was bound so he could no longer deceive the nations, but according to Revelation 20:3 at the end of the 1000 years he must be released for a little while. Is the 1000 years coming to an end?
Its just a sign of a regression of humanity. From an enlightened species that wanted to allign itself with the one true perfect God to a species that wants to regress back to their primitive destructive roots.
@@thejoshuaproject3809 because is reflects the immensity of the religious spirit. It reveals that people for nd spiritual solace in various approaches. Imagine if only one flower existed, just how boring that would be.
@@jupiterinaries6150 There is only ONE God. Any other beliefs are false. Not good. The freedom to believe what you believe is true is good. If you are not free to believe your fasle religion then I am not free to believe the truth.
Most of them are into it just for the cool aesthetic, not any actual deep spirituality or the religious teachings. Majority of religious rituals exist as allegories conveying occult truths, moral teachings and truths about the workings of the world. You need to investigate into those, consider how relevant they are nowadays and how you can refashion them to suit the modern times while still fulfilling the need for spirituality. A lot of the pagan ones were very focused on the circle of nature stuff, the passing of seasons and especially their relation to agriculture. The holidays basically signified key times during the year: beginning of harvest, leading the cattle out of the fields for the first time in year etc. Those were also symbolically connected to the circle of life, or to literal interpretations of the long dead mythologies. But nowadays majority of society has nothing do to with agriculture and usually the seasons hardly affect their life and work any more, meaning that for most modern pagans those rituals are just cool social exercises, their meaning pointless, or the metaphorical truths of their lessons defunct if realized at all. This however doesn't mean you can't repurpose them, as circle of nature is still a very actual symbol that lots of folks even subconsciously resonate with, for example by being more active and happy during spring. Cycles and connection to nature are a part of who we are, regardless of technology and a "modernised" paganism could likely help people in re-establishing this bond and bringing some order into their life. For example, I remember some pagan artist's post on 4chan who described how he uses the pagan circle of life and holidays as a basis for his creative work. For example the spring equinox (symbolising birth, beginning of new life etc.) was when he began working on new projects, while the winter solstice (death, reflection, end of cycle) was when he recapped and reviewed the work he did in the ending year.
So does that mean all Christians are strictly in it to pat themselves on the back and for political power? If you are gonna lob broad generalizations that have no factual basis, expect it to be thrown right back in your face
This is dude really knows what he is talking about with secularism and modern paganism being based on Christian principles. This is coming from a non Christian btw.
@@bezoticallyyours83 Pagan societies are incredibly hierarchical and have very little empathy. If you look at neopagans the majority of them are extremely non hierarchical and empathetic. The reason they left Christianity is because it was too hierarchical and unemphatic. Nature is brutal and so is animism. Thinking a neopagan is like a traditional ancient pagan is like saying the goth girl on tiktok is a goth girl of 400ad comical since theirs no connection.
@@mrfren2115 Modern pagans are like other modern day practitioners of most religions, but paganism in of itself is far older historically. That is what I meant. 🙄 you said we took too much from Christianity, which doesn't make a lick of sense. You also don't need to be any particular religion to be a sympathetic and caring person, or a heartless shitbag. Something brainwashed zealots refuse to wrap their narrow-minded, fragile egos around. Most of us are somewhere in the middle of those ethics anyway. But yes we are very decentralized and mostly far more laid back then monotheists.
@@bezoticallyyours83 People have always cared about others but if you ever look into pagan societies you will see a level of callousness that is appalling to virtually all westerners. That is because to pagans, not neopagans, being nice is not very important. Look at the Romans, Germanic tribes, Mongolians, and even modern day Indians and you can see a pervasive lack of empathy for strangers. This is not a moral judgment but an absolute fact and is why the guy in the video said neopagans are not like pagans morally. Neopagans have morals more similar to Christianity than that of classic pagans which is not surprising since neopagans come from Christian societies. I have even noticed that neopagans seem to be even more likely than the general public to have attended Sunday school or church growing up. Most neopagans do not care for Christianity once they become neopagan but the Christian thumbprint is blatant to anyone who has ever studied religion unbiasedly.
Let's hope not. I find it interesting that after only two thousand years of Christianity we have evolved in science and technology. But paganism was like ten thousands years old and it didn't get very far. So let's hope we stay in the Judeo-Christian orb.
Pagan Rome had massive engineering, roads and bridges that stand even today, running water and sewers, central heating. For centuries after conversion, Christian Europe was living in squalid mud huts on par with the homeless camps in Seattle.
@@kenofken9458 That's impressive but not as impressive as what we do now. And we lived that way because the people who sacked Rome, some might call them barbarians, destroyed a lot of the knowledge they held. But by that time both groups Romans and their enemies were largely Christian. And they were newly Christian. Which makes a big difference because they didn't have the centuries of studying the Christian religion and coming to know it's full potential. The reason I say this is because I'm wondering if paganism some how curbed the way they thought about life and science and technology. The most important scientists have been deeply religious Christians.
You can't know that because Christians went from being persecuted to erradicate entire cultures, and all the good things you claim we have now, historically speaking are from yesterday, Christianity kept europe in the dark for millenia, Christians did not invented everything, not algebra, not paper, not powder not many many many things, actually they burned alive the astronomer Giordano Bruno for example for speaking the truth about the sun etcetera, so who the fuck are you trying to fool with that bullshit? Paganism is the true root of europe and some day the disgusting imported god of the desert who shouts "love me or else..." will be sent back to the desert from where it shouldn't had put a foot outside of it in the first place.
O Holy Baphomet, Gleaming in the eastern sky, Sign of righteousness in all the earth, And hieroglyph of the arcana of the invisible world: Exalt our minds and hearts with the light of wisdom, Abide with us in the deepest darkness, Enlighten us when we walk in the shadow of death, And us mortals elevate on high: Glory and eternal praises to thee, O Baphomet most strong, Baphomet most mighty, Baphomet most wise. Blessed be 🙌
Lol not even 1% of the population, Christianity has only grown since it began, eradicated your silly religion and is now numbering over 2.5 billion with a 'B', and you think Paganism will rise again? A joke.
I really think you lack research on the topic here. Paganism exists with fundamentally different tenets than Christianity.
Turns out when you don’t violently enforce Christianity onto people some of them go back to what they were doing before that. Monotheistic religions have only ever existed in an environment where the state picks the religion and enforced it. People naturally don’t all have one major religion like Christianity or Islam. It’s been a deviation brought on by empires trying to unite the people they conquered under one god instead of their native and local gods.
@beeswillinherittheearth5084 - Christianity has NEVER been as you state "violently enforced" -
Roman Catholicism enforced conversations - what a travesty - Roman Catholicism is not
Christianity - Christianity is not a religion - it is a fact based faith in the Person and
work of Jesus Christ - and the word of God in the true manuscripts ( The Received Text)
No religion - it is a reconciled relationship with our Creator through His provision.
This is historically false. Christianity was not "violently enforced" in Europe. Europe became Christian in two phases:
1. Inside the Roman Empire, when it was ILLEGAL! So how could you say it was enforced, when in fact it was the opposite, they were persecuted! Yet they still became the majority, while it was illegal to be a Christian!
2. The rest of Europe, after the Fall of the Roman Empire: when the pagan barbarians were winning battle after battle against the crumbling and collapsing Roman empire, how could the Romans force those barbarians to convert to Christianity? Maybe you should stop and think a little, if you imagine that early Medieval Europe was "forced" to convert to Christianity. Think about it again: how could the losers of a war, a collapsing empire, "force" the victors into converting to their religion?
@@praevasc4299 Christianity was not the dominant religion in Rome before Emperor Constantine made it the state religion. It became the majority after the Emperor forced it onto the citizens.
Between Constantine’s conversion to Christianity and the invasion of the “pagan barbarians” was 200+ years. If you read anything about European history it’s full of kings, tiny dictators, forcing their people to convert en mass. Right up till the enlightenment they did this. It’s why the United States adopted separation of church and state.
You’re full of shit, maybe read something informative.
@@praevasc4299 before Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity the majority of Rome was not Christian. After his conversion he forced people to convert by making it the state religion.
Between Constantine’s conversion and the fall of the Roman Empire was hundreds of years. All throughout European history kings, tiny dictators, would change their state religions and convert all their subjects en mass right up until the enlightenment, like the 1700s. It’s why the United States adopted separation of church and state.
You’re ignorant inform yourself. This “just asking questions” approach doesn’t work when you’re actually being honest with information, yes I am implying you’re dishonest.
@@beeswillinherittheearth5084 No, it's you who is being dishonest. Christianity did not appear from a vacuum, and except a few rare exceptions, it was not forced from top to bottom. I know it's alluring to think of Christianity as something being made up by the ruling class to control the population, but this is absurd. Why would they make up a religion which teaches that all humans are equal in front of God, and the last will become the first? In fact the religions before Christianity were designed by the ruling class, where your status in this life affected your position in the afterlife and you'll be serving your earthly lords in the afterlife.
Christianity, as opposed to other religions in that place and time, was the religion of the oppressed, the religion of the commoners. When rulers adapted Christianity it was because a substantial portion of the population was already Christian.
Paganism is way more nuanced then you know. Just simply labeling it all as demonic shows how much you don’t know. You are right in saying we as humans are inherently spiritual beings seeking truth. Just because it’s not your belief doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I would consider myself pagan and think Jesus is a good example for anyone to live by, but so is Buddha, so is Krishna…. Etc. You can find truth in all beliefs. All one can do is be a good person, find truth in your own way, and ONLY the creator can judge what all they have created. Many blessings friend!
Stick to one way. Respect the rest orelse ypur progress will slow down.
You've neglected to mention the racial aspect of this. As mainstream society doubles-down on the notion that "there never was a white culture" peoples of European heritage are returning to their ancestral religions.
THIS!
But there never was a white culture
@@turnipsociety706 But THERE IS a white culture.
@@turnipsociety706 there were MANY white cultures. Indo-European people's developed their own unique ways of being which are every bit as valid and every other ethnic group.
We, Ethno-nationalists, don't care at all about the opinions of those who refuse to recognise us as the guardians of our own destiny.
You can make any claim you like about the accuracy or semantics of certain words, but everyone know what "White" means and whites most definitely have their own unique cultures.
We don't owe anyone an explanation or apologies for doing things our way. Don't like it? Fuck off.
@@turnipsociety706 Yes, there is a white culture, and we’re proud of it
Most the European pagans, seem to want to return to their pre-Christian roots.
They want some traditional belief. But at the same time don’t want Christianity because that would mean that they would have to repent and stop their sinful lifestyles.
@@gch8810 good point
@@gch8810 christianity is not traditional to anything, not even judaism because it purposely broke that tradition. Its just an artificial faith, like mormonism or scientology.
@gch8810
Ooorrrrrrr maybe they want a return to their native roots?
@@gch8810or we think the concept of sin is stupid
Paganism and ancient culture of western civilization I like most love from India 😊☺️❤️🥰
Its really reawakening of the west to its true self in the age of empires the state told you how you must live your life what you can and can not believe in this intolerant atmosphere Christianity thrived. However people are awakening to the fat this attitude does not work in the modern world and people a re realizing this and now that there is no official state religion that can discriminate against you based on faith people are returning to their true selves.
Much appreciated. Thanks brother.
@@gringopapi8058 ❤️🥰☺️😊💪👌🙂
Most of our European Gods also have roots going back to India as well.
@@cultofthevoid5677 😊😌🥰
An interesting view. You say the powers that pagans appeal to are demonic, but of course most pagans don't see it that way. Wiccans for instance see themselves as worshiping or working with the God and Goddess, and followers of Asatru or Norse paganism see themselves worshiping the ancient Germanic gods. From the way you described things it sounds like you're saying the worship of any god other than the Abrahamic and Christian god is demonic, which would then include other religions like Shinto and Hinduism.
That’s exactly what he’s saying. Intolerance and elitism is the Abrahamic MO.
Paganisms are worships of fallen Angels who deceive people into thinking they are gods. Demons are fallen Angels, Demons aren't evil by design ( they weren't created to do evil ) but they need humans to sins for them to gain power so the evil they create is simply a byproduct of them wanting their powers back so they can go back to heaven. The thing is they CHOSE to rebel against God in heaven and to wage war against him in this world too. So we're just collateral damage in a battle between entities beyond our understanding, what we as humans have to choose is which side do we think is gonna win, now one side is lying to win and the other is telling the truth to win. which one is which seems clear to me.
Yes. It is. First commandment. Most important moral command. Breaking such a command is evil and therefore demonic. Thou shalt have no Gods before me.
@@jaihummel5057 By the same token, Christians like to label anything they don't like, or don't agree with, or don't understand, as demonic. Such as slightly overdone toast, or cold, firm butter.
@princessfartsparkles6681 - Correct ! All religion springs from the minds of men - Christianity
is not a religion - it is a fact based, historically proven reconciled relationship to our
Creator via His provision - in the Person and work of Jesus Christ - and the word of God
via the accurate manuscripts.
Hippe/new age paganism is not the real paganism of our ancestors. Just for clarification.
Who says it is? New age is just hippie abrahamism.
@methodius--9405you clearly haven't studied enough, the fact you have to repeat it like a parrot every time, indicates that in fact, you HAVE NOT studied it enough.
@methodius--9405 yeah sure you are hahaha
@methodius--9405 Thanks for admitting you don't work looking for actual truth, but for mere peer pressure... Typical abrahamic
@methodius--9405 The original traditions are lost, but the source material aka the gods, are still there. The rituals an early Iron Age druid performed would be interesting to know, but not terribly useful. The rituals, the priesthood etc. are all just methods of interface that served a particular people in a particular time and place. Today's people can and are reconnecting with the gods and spirits of the land in ways that are relevant today.
To say Pagan religion cannot work because old traditions are lost is like saying that we can never learn how to navigate a ship on the ocean because we don't know exactly how the Phoenicians did it.
"It's not my chosen religion so it must be evil and a result of social rot"
The mental gymnastics is unreal
I am an atheist, but I think Richard Dawkins is a bit over the top to put it mildly. Atheism for me doesn't mean that I think everyone should have my opinion or that I have the moral high ground or whatever. Believing in a higher being is just not my cup of tea. That's all. Peace.
Everything came from nothing?
@asper373 I don't believe in the same God that you don't believe in either. God created time, space, and matter and is therefore outside of those things.
@asper373 Your depth of thought is ... quite engaging.
Your religion is influenced by the polytheist philosophies of Plato and Aristotle. You owe the Canaan polytheists for the deity named Yahweh. Nothing is wrong with Paganism.
"Jewish artisans and Jewish fisher¬
men are your teachers and your
saints, with countless statues carved
in their image and innumerable
cathedrals raised to their memories.
A Jewish maiden is your ideal of
motherhood and womanhood. A
Jewish rebel-prophet is the central
figure in your religious worship.
We have pulled down your idols, cast
aside your racial inheritance, and
substituted for them our God and
our traditions. No conquest in
history can even remotely compare
with this clean sweep of our conquest
over you"
-Marcus Eli Ravage
I'm from england a Englishman a pagan guy love to the pagan community across Europe and worldwide
@leeandrew8987 - Have you researched what Christianity really is? I am curious, because most
people assume that Roman Catholicism is Christianity - Christianity is not a religion - it is a
fact based, historically proven reconciled relationship to our Creator via His provision -
Jesus Christ and the word of God in the accurate manuscripts -
😂😂😂 a desert religion. Fuck God
Because they are discovering their ancestral roots. Christianity is a middle eastern religion, alien to the sensibilities of Europe.
I'm atheist and I don't understand how anyone want to follow weird religions of the ancient world
Totally disgusting
@@KarmaKraftttt You have an alternative? Because you sound like a child refusing to eat his greens.
@@KarmaKraftttt People want to follow the tradition and worship of their ancestors, and find meaning and purpose. There’s nothing “disgusting” about it.
@@uptown_rider8078
It is ! Old religions were much more barbaric plus I don't know why would anyone with a right mind wants to worship gods of some ancient fairytales.
@@KarmaKraftttt And what is your definition of “barbaric”?
When faced with the decision of a personal, spiritual path, why would anyone choose the religion that states 'you are guilty for being born'. Such a psychologically damaging statement to tell people, especially children. Religions that claim they are the only way, including Christianity, are extremely dangerous and innately psychologically abusive.
I would love to see a video by you on modern Gnosticism and what you think of it, it’s definitely a strange and eyebrow raising sect of Christianity
Gnosticism goes against scripture and tradition
@@nikolaj3783 There is gnostic scripture. The early church just didn't make it canon
It makes more sense than mainstream Christianity. It explains why your evil god claims to be perfect.
@@orion7675 No the first Christians were not gnostic - Gnosticism has nothing to do
with Christianity - Gnosticism is the opposite and was introduced as an early
set of heresies.
Do you drive a Subaru?
Hopefully one day it will. As we can see: abrahamic religions are slowly becoming irrelevant.
Wow. I am a Pagan and never would have watched this video if I knew it was from a holier than thou Christian point of view. To defend my spirituality here among those who think their way is the one and only way, would be completely pointless.
Proud Heathen that converted from Christianity… I must thank Christians for my conversation… the judgmental and hypocritical ones that is.
Your faith is literally a larp
Ted mitten … Like I said
@@ekslycooper to claim you have a faith would require a certain set of beliefs you follow. Pagans can't have it since paganism was either an oral tradition, or had their books destroyed by Christians. Neopagans today have no connection to the original pagans in neither theory nor practice. Thus it's a game of pretend at best.
@@tedmitten8832 I didn’t use the word faith. You did. I don’t blame you. You don’t really have a choice by believing in the Bible. These beliefs aren’t even your own. You’ve taken on the beliefs of other people without even knowing what you believe is the truth . I really feel sorry for you and other people like you. Putting down my spirituality must make you feel really good and powerful. You have no idea what I believe other than I’m not a Christian. That’s really all you have to know though isn’t it to make your judgments. As a Christian, isn’t your job to make other Christians? to try and convince me that I am on the road paved to hell? well you are doing a very poor job of that.
No,I didn't get much out of this at all. Shallow & rambling. You come from a place where there is paganism all around you? Watseka, IL? I'm from Ill. I've never heard of that.
I'm from Massachusetts
The rise in Paganism is a right-wing reaction to modernism and mass immigration. Many Modern European people have this visceral reaction to the hollow and unfulfilling nature of modernity, so they are turning to spirituality. Christianity is a universalist religion and wants to make the whole world Christian, it is also a foreign religion from outside our ancestral homeland (Europe). Pagan holidays are celebrated across where I live in England, things like mayday. There are local traditions that have carried on since before the arrival of Christianity. Paganism is indigenous, it is of the Land and it runs in the blood of kith and kin. That’s why ancestor worship is an extremely important part of paganism. Hail Great Woden, the All-Father.
Then all the pagans that are left wing...oh...oh...imagine...
Paganism is not left or right leaning, there are pagans of all sides of the political spectrum, socialists, progressives, wokes, liberals, conservatives, fascists, tradcons, etc. That's not what defines paganism. The Gods don't interfer in politics, thats an entirely human affair.
Well said.
Hail the old gods.
Hail the ancestors.
Hail our folk.
Hail the Folk
Hail the Gods
Hail Odin and Thor
This video is talking about this topic from a Christian perspective of a black and white world view that completely misses the point of these modern movements. As a polytheist and a Norse Heathen myself, this idea that there is ONE way for humans to live, that we must be worshipers of a god and that we must spread our religion is false. Two distinct things can be true at the same time. We can live secularly, while also individually honoring the gods, and those do not need to contradict. Christians always talk about what is or isn't natural, when their religion is anything but natural itself. Paganism is growing because the gods are reaching out to people again, individually, and are seeking RECIPROCITY!!! Not because the atheists' are just so miserable not being shackled to a god. Atheists can live happy and healthy lives, with fulfillment and joy just like any religious person can. Take it from a believer, you don't need the gods to be happy... nor do they need YOU for that matter.
Do you lean toward the interpretatio romana, according to wich norse and greco-romans gods are the same entities under different names, or do you believe them to believe different entities with separate regions of influence?
@@arx3516 I'm a hard polytheist, so I believe each god is an individual, just like each human is an individual. With that said though, obviously many of the gods share qualities with one another, or have names that are cognate with each other, and honestly I just take this as human interpretations of forces which cannot rightly be understood from our point of view.
The Romans weren't wrong in their approach, but neither where the Norse for insisting that their gods where distinct. Ultimately the nature of the gods is a mystery, and unlike some religious folk, I'm fine with that
Yahweh is supreme over your demon worship. Repent and come to him for true life before judgement comes.
@@jaihummel5057 If my gods are demons then I beg of your god to actually work a miracle in my life like I have asked him to do many times in the past. He never has and the only time he ever DID appear to me he simply threatened me and made me fearful. Thor saved me that day as well and with his hammer he scared yhwh with his overwhelming power. Always remember that of all the gods it is THOR who is the strongest
one of the only normal comments on this video
Seraphim Rose predicted this transition 60 years ago. I’d love to see you comment on some of his works!
Based ☦
No she didn't.
As usual none of you guys could see this coming just like you're a cold book Bible which has been proven wrong bajillion times already is exposed as anti God unholy and evil is proved wrong endlessly like.
Well… like the saying goes… I’d rather be a wolf than a lamb…
Please tell me what actions you did to become a wolf.
@@tedmitten8832Easy buy a fur suit say owo and fk animals
I do believe that metaphysic idealism is winning ground from materialism thinking, so then mind as the basis of reality comes forward again, namely God.
But i must also comment, that we cannot now what this really is, and what it means.
@02sweden - Yes God, our Creator is the basis of reality. I have been in some of that
metaphysic mumbo jumbo - so glad I got out of all that -
God is good and I would not trade Him, His provision and His word for idealism, ideologies
musings and the miriad of false paths and the mix of macro and micro falsehoods and
deceptions. The Truth wins in the end - everyone will meet Jesus as their Saviour or as
their judge - more info on my playlists - via the green circle top left. Best Wishes.
Modern man has been around for approx 300,000 years, thats 298,000 years without christianity, im sure they lived just fine without it, just like we'll do when christianity has disappeared
Jesus Christ died to redeem you from your sins.
@@jaihummel5057 but god can't die 🤷♂️
Jesus Christ must be a weak god that he died
Nobody asked him to and he was an loony who went mess with armed soldiers and himself killed.Be realistic.
NT Wright raised a similar point about secularism emerging from the Enlightenment (so-called- my editorial not his) period. He points to it as the time in which western thinkers, mainly responding to things like the Lisbon earthquake on All Saints Day (I forget the year) and radical French thinkers who were attacking the corrupt Roman church in France but threw the baby out with the bathwater. He argues that the West has tried to say that this period is the turning point in history for the world. This therefore is a usurpation of the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ Jesus and the resulting tide of "secularism" filtered through Christian values but lacking any rumor of God in the public space.
Would it be safe to say that you and he agree in this regard?
Re: pagan area- on my way to church, I drive past a place with a wagon and a cauldron outside it; they do palm and tarot readings, etc., and all I can gratefully say is that I go to receive something vastly better in Christ's word and sacrament.
Yes. Agreed.
@@DrJordanBCooper Nice! Since I too find the argument compelling, I'll happily enjoy being in the agreement of two tremendous minds. God be with you, Pastor!
I think the Hindus have it figured out. Like white light being scattered through a prism, all the colours are parts of the original, and all the colours together create the white light.
In this analogy, Jesus would thus be the prism, or the ego in a sense. A healthy, purified ego can experience the totality.
In my case, I'm so damaged that all the colours are dimmed, unable to be brought into alignment. I feel dead inside, and I yearn for what I've lost. Thus my pursuit of Paganism is my attempt to connect with the raw, primal elements of my consciousness.
@PsychicAlchemy - while I appreciate your angle - having explored religion and Eastern Mysticism
- Jesus is no prisim - and Hindus worship millions of nameless gods -what a confusion and
there Shiva ( the destroyer ) etc is a hideous darkness - all it takes is humble application
researching the facts and not all the endless musings - Jesus is Lord God Almighty -
No wonder you are dead inside - Jesus is life and all the other stuff is death - beleive me, I have
been there and in exploring that stuff - In Him ( Jesus ) is life and the life is the light of men
and the Light shines in the darkness, but the darkness comprehends it not - it would be a
blessing to you to explore The Truth - Lutheranism is not it - Luthernism is another sets of
heresies and religious rules and rites - Jesus came to set us free - men create religions
and put other people into bondage. Best Wishes. More info on my playlists - accessible
by clicking on the green circle on the top left here.
No i am practicing hindu. There is only one god all other gods are his forms. Our religion has brought peace. Your god father despite being called loving is barely loving and jealous our god will let u to heaven if u dont pray him and lead a good life only thing is you will be born back again in the material plane.
@@Agastyakv_108 I said the same thing in different words.
Also I'm not a Christian. Unless you were replying to the other commentor?
@@PsychicAlchemy replying to the other commenter bro
@@Agastyakv_108 My bad.
I’m a pagan guy from England it’s true most of my friends are pagans and it’s growing across Europe Mother Earth rules getting back to are ancestors roots
The funniest thing is when neo-paganism is mixed with concepts like vegetarianism, environmentalism, etc. It always cracks me up😃
why is that funny for you?
@@Digu you think Vikings were vegan bro?
@@nikolaj3783 So what? Society changes. Religions change.
@@Digu Orthodoxy hasn't changed
@@nikolaj3783 I don't know what's that. But if you say so, ok.
Isn't it annoying when your topic takes two minutes to get out there but you are compelled to fill space? Right there with ya.
Hail the old gods! Hail the Æsir and the Vanir!
Relax bro
@@ahmetderdiyok6973 ........no
@@norsecelticpagan978 you wil go to the hellllllllll
@@ahmetderdiyok6973Typical christianity shit 😂😂
Br9 what even is this thumbnail? It won't overtake it. Its gonna take it BACK
It seems to me, in a world that is moving so fast people are looking for grounding. I see the pagan move and the Orthodox move as a similar move. A seeking for a old tradition in an age of novelty. At least the Orthodox have Christ.
At least the Orthodox are the True Church*
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Happened to be in Wittenberg in 2017 for a Luther festival. With the Schlosskirche in sight, I ran into a street vendor peddling pagan trinkets. When I asked if she had crosses, she said no, "Is a cross not hideous? How about a fish, or a sun?"
Really disturbing how rationalism, totalitarianism, et cetera have led to this kind of regression--and not even to actual pre-Christian paganism, but to the silly filtered version!
Not half as disturbing as the sheer evil stuff that Luther said about the Jews.
Returning to pre-christian paganism would be impossible, given that Christianity completely wiped out those belief systems in the previous centuries. Reconstructionism is the only option.
I personally do not get the cross thing. that's like the last thing Jesus would've wanted his followers to wear, stick to the fish instead or maybe something to do with his craft like woodwork tools.
@@ciggystardust Christianity has nothing to do with paganism - too many people confuse
Roman Catholicism with Christianity, because the Roman religion calls itself Christian as
one of it's many lies and guises. Christianity is not a religion, it is a fact based, historically
proven reconciled relationship to our Creator via His provision - Jesus Christ and
the word of God.
@@paulread7113 Luther is not the leader of Christianity - Jesus Christ is. Christianity
is not a religion - it is a fact based, historically proven reconciled relationship to
our Creator via the Person and work of Jesus Christ. We do not follow Luther.
Luther had many things incorrect. The are Lutherans - but their organisation has
returned to it's roots in the Vatican.
Christianity was interpreted through the lenses of Platonism before it caught on in Europe. “In the beginning was the word” that’s Platonism
Not exactly.
The concept of Logos is in Judaism, but simply by a different term; this known as the Dabar YHWH (The Word of the Lord). This motif can be seen all the way through the OT.
@@axderka Saint Augustine flat out admitted to adding Platonism. If you are referring to the burning bush and that “I am” bit that’s still appropriating concepts from neo platonism and Greek thought and re interpreting the OT. The original has the name of god and it seems as though the “I am that I am” line is a pun in Hebrew about god’s name. But it’s all lost when it gets translated and then people filled in the blanks with Platonism. Even the translation of the Septuagint was done through a Greek lens so it sort of taints the original meaning. This sort of reinterpretation was done constantly with the OT depending on what empire was in power at the time. When Persia ruled that area you get all these concepts from Zoroastrianism showing up in Hebrew Scriptures. That’s where you get, new heaven, new earth, the devil, the final judgment and the resurrection. Then the more Greek interpretation of an immortal soul and heaven and hell being reward or punishment of the dead. Even if you go back you can find parallels with Mesopotamian and Egyptian religion, that’s where you get Noah and circumcision. Even YHWH is the name of a specific god in the Canaanite pantheon. There is almost nothing original in the Bible when you start looking enough at sources and influences
Hail to the Pagan Gods!
Which ones?
@@tedmitten8832 All of Them! :D
May Mother Venus always bless us. 🙏🏽
We need proper temples in this country. A million and a half different churches on every corner and even though there are so many of us you don't see a pagan temple anywhere.
@@TheRiddleSpinner We need a far stronger community first before we have temples. The vast majority of worship was done in the home. While it would be nice to have temples, having them be properly run and used would need a lot more work than most people are willing or able to commit. Especially with the fact that in some traditions like in Hellenic Polytheism the average person wasn't even supposed to enter the actual temple. They were restricted to the courtyard where worship by the common people would happen outside during festivals. Only the priests could enter. Shrines on the other hand are far more accessible and far easier to maintain. If we built a lot of those then that might actually get something going. But of course it all depends on the people. Reach out to your fellow Polytheists (regardless of tradition) and worship alongside them. Encourage each other to grow in faith and virtue. Way too many of us are introverts. We need to actively come together if we want anything done.
May the Gods and spirits guide us!
It's so stupid to judge people's beliefs when they not harming others and just doing what makes em happy... I feel like we all christians, atheists, wiccans, neo-pagans we should all love each other. At the end of the day that's what really matters, not who holds a dumb truth or who's more special. This is dumb.
It is not stupid. What is stupid is thinking that not harming someone makes something morally good.
Tolerance is not the solution (which you wrongly phrased as love)
@@gch8810 What is very stupid is thinking that harming a group of people is not morally bad.
@@kylemckinney_22 Whats the solution? You forcing your religion on everyone else because you better than everyone and your opinions are the only ones that are valid? No thanks. I prefer respecting religious freedom and living in harmony with everyone. Bye
I know Pegans but no Neo Pegans,i know a few Buddhists and Hindus and a bunch who identify as Spiritual but not religious and their spirituality seems to mostly come from Buddhism and Hinduism sometimes with some reform Judaism mixed in, I'm Jewish myself but i've converted to Christisnity
Do you want an example of neo paganism?
In Mexico there is a demonic entity called, Santa Muerte. “Saint” death. It uses Catholicism’s Sainthood to label their modern “Saint/god”
In contrary to real Catholicism, a Saint is not God.
A Saint is a man or woman who knew the real God, loved God, and did God’s will in their life.
Im not sure you know what Pagan means.
Means nothing as all nowadays
usually anything non-abrahamic. depends on the context.
Of course he doesn't. He just regurgitates what everyone else already spewed into his mouth.
Romans 1 is becoming such a reality today
Has there really been much a growth in Norse paganism and the like? They do exist, of course, but are still a tiny fringe group. Compare that to the rise of the nones. I also hear lots of pagan groups complaining about how they can't hold on to their kids just like Christians. The fall of Christian hegemony certainly has opened up space for paganism to return, but only a very few seem interested. If we ever get a religious revival, people will likely just go back to being Christian.
Well, currently norse paganism has become the largest non-christian religion in Iceland and is still one of the fastest growing religions there. There has been similar growth in other nordic countries like Sweden, Norway and Denmark although not on the same level as in Iceland since they have larger populations.
@@Victor_aeternus002 Small percentage of small nations. Meh.
@@thursdaythursday5884 Still better than American jokers who's culture is sex lol
@@Victor_aeternus002 Let me guess, you are a pagan yourself? Christ is King!
@@thursdaythursday5884 Iceland used to be heathen. It might be small but it's returning to where it originally came.
good man, doesnt rationalism hold the word rational at it's heart?
Hello i am a practitioner of vodoun and have nothing against other religions, Blessed Be.
Why? It's simple. It has a coolness factor. It feels like being a rebel. And it's not even risky. You get all the attention for being a cool rebel, without any of the associated risks.
People are leaving behind stodgy, oppressive, and boring Christianity to reconnect with the faiths of their ancestors. I say it's a good thing.
Dr. Cooper you look like you just came off the grass courts at Wimbledon! Keep up the great work. I am learning the Lutheran ways from you.
Gay
@OnBelayClimbOn - Lutheranism is another set of heresies - Jesus Christ is the head of
Christianity, not Luther - Lutheranism is another religion - Jesus abolished religion -
Christianity is not a religion. It is a fact based, historically proven provision by our Creator
via the Person and work of Jesus Christ and the word of God in the accurate manuscripts.
Gentlemans, today you like to say that we must respect all cultures,
(except traditional prechristians)😹
4:20 but stoicism, scholasticism, 10 commandments, many dates of holidays and form of holidays, social, culture, traditions. its all from prechristianity, premodern
Paganism is earthy. It doesn't condemn earthly life but embraces it. Christianity teaches that the world is a dirty and wicked place and should be avoided. Christianity is negative. Paganism is optimistic. Some people also see Christianity as too cerebral, bland, and other-worldly. Judaism was much more earthy. The three festivals were tied to the harvest (sowing, firstfruits, harvest) with an added spiritual significance. Christianity is not tied to any earthly thing and hence it needs to condemn the world.
Christianity came from judaism under the rule of jesus, he was sometimes considered by some people as a rabbi and he attended to synagogues in judea, all the first christians that jesus interacted were all jews.
With this in mind when the first setlers to the roman empire tried to christianize europe the emperor himself embraced christianity without any act of war or violence they accepted this new religion and most europeans incorporated their pagan traditions into Christianity and now we call these traditions "christians traditions" but in reality they were pagan.
The christian faith in antiquity was highly wielded as a political tool for empire interests than a religion
In antiquity Paganism was never been executed as an organized religion and pagans didnt called themselves "pagans" by those societies themselves, they just used their metaphysical interpetation as an abstract way of life that that they believe this have them "power" and that in the earth there is always a constant war by the gods because all of them are keeping us alive in this moment, fire, wind, water, ice, thunder, earth, grass, rock etc. in paganism we humans we are the center of everything in the exact middle of the universe and all the deities are in the great beyond unreachable by humans. Theres no eternal heaven, and theres no eternal hell in paganism life was seen as a cycle and continuity pagans before christianity didnt feared on "whats going to happend after death" more likely the fear is about the process of dying and not on whats coming next, dearh was an honor to serve the existence to your relatives and the pagan temples was all about to preserve those who died and they mostly worshipped their ancestors to awaken their consciousness of them but inside of your head because is often believed that we are who carry the same brain with generations.
if you mean postmodernism is that you’re teaching people that there is no truth, that’s a complete misinterpretation of the postmodernism. derrida and foucault asserted that there is a multiplicity of truth, not “no truth.” truth still exists. its just there are multiple forms of it.
Have you even read about the brutality, cruelty, genocide, committed by Christianity??? Plus forced conversations…
Or do u just choose to ignore all that evil at the hands of Christianity?
Have you ever heard of what pagans would do to their sacrificial victims?
Painting a statue for lady Hel and laughing like Gol D. Roger at videos like these.
How about you don't speak about things you don't understand...
The rise of paganism is sadly very simple: it allows people to have their cake and eat it too. It is a worldview that promotes acceptance and normalization of the fallen world, and fallen human nature. Thus, a pagan can experience a facsimile of having the spiritual hole in their soul filled via supernatural beliefs, rituals and aesthetics, while on a fundamental heart and conduct level, not having to change one bit. All the warm fuzzies of spirituality and religion, without the dogma and commitment.
A lot of this comes from the pluralistic and relativistic nature inherent to neo-paganism due to it's lack of legitimate authority figures to codify and define the modern reconstruction of these religious systems. With some exceptions, paganism is mostly individuals and small groups cobbling together a patchwork of beliefs based on mythology, archeology, real pagan worldviews mixed with modern worldviews that practitioners take for granted, as well as a heaping helping of subjective unverifiable personal gnosis (in other words, their charismatic/enthusiastic experiences.)
A great example of this is demonstrated when you ask five neo-pagans the precise nature of their "gods": you'll get five completely different answers. Whether it be literal "gods", personifications of natural forces and concepts, Jungian archetypes, or deified ancestors.
Speaking from personal experience as a former neo-pagan who repented and returned to Christ.
Very good points and explanation. You articulated well the truths which many of us feel, see or know, yet are not able to convey.
There is nothing wrong with a personalized view of the supernatural. If you believe in a vengeful god and someone else doesn't, there is no harm done unless one of you try to impose by force your personal viewpoint on those who do not agree with your brand of superstition.
Paganism =/= immoral hedonism, armchair philosophers often make that mistake. Much of if not most Christian arguments for truth and morality were directly subsumed from Pagan philosophers. In particular, Hindu schools of moral asceticism predate even Judaism by millenia.
No, rather the embrace of non-JC theology and philosophy in the West is due to the failings of contemporary Christianity in preserving and disseminating the process of theosis, in favor of propitiatory atonement theology which is logically and morally bankrupt.
@@RobAgrees With all due respect, there is an enormous chasm of difference between modern Neopagans, and the likes of Plato and Aristotle.
@Macross DYRL With all due respect, your comment says rise of paganism, which now you move the goalposts to call it neopaganism (presumably what you really mean is the revival of shamanic or polytheistic folk religious practices by peoples with socially liberal views). But let me remind you that pagan is a Latin term meaning 'of the country or rural' coined as a insult by early Christendom for any non-christian philosophies or religions, and the Greek teachers were in serious question even up into the Middle Ages, so much so Augustine and Aquinas (among others) along the way would rewrite philosophical proofs within Christian theological terms (talk about having your cake and eating it too)
Anyway the point is you paint with a wide brush using low IQ arguments that assert man as inherently depraved and neopaganism as an empty cobbling of ideas but only reflect your lack of grasp on the subject matter, as the terms chosen don't fit your assertions and secondly even "neopaganism" still covers the full of the political and moral spectrum (ie there exist morally conservative neopagans)
So really what you mean to say is that liberal people bad and however they express that liberal ideology bad because inherently morally bad. Whereas you, you! are just so wonderful because of all the self-restraint and knowing the right way you can just look down on them and feel morally superior.
Which, as a conservative Catholic philosopher, I find sad and precisely telling why people turned away from the Church as it lost its transcendence to wrestle about over the material. People aren't finding metaphysics in the church so they go elsewhere. All metaphysics derive from the concept of the Absolute Truth, which is what the Greeks did and later co-opted by Aquinas et al, then discarded outside of seminaries, and even then it's no longer the real core anymore.
Jesus returning..lol ..over 2000 years and he still hasn't appeared.. talk about delusional.
It's still a very fringe movement, the ones who are really growing are non religious people like me.
I think Zahl's book "Seculousity" makes a great argument for the rise of secular paganism absent of traditional pagan trappings of temple/priest/deity with proxies taking the place of those trappings in a duplicitous way. I would argue that secular paganism via this path is more dangerous to society than traditional paganism because it collapses the wall between the numinous nature of worship and the reality of living in a physical world in which items in the physical world have real value mixed with religious value. Take Neil Tyson Degrasse's accidental Twitter slip where he announced that Science is truth and got taken to task for mixing a tool that helps determine facts (science) with absolute truth (faith). What are the folks fighting against masks and vaccines really responding to? Fear? Maybe some. Concern about governmental overreach? Some. But I think many are simply reacting instinctually as Christians against the way that science has been treated as objective truth...ie religion. I say this as a person with both a vaccine and a booster. But, I had to disentangle the faith of the messengers with the physical object of the vaccine. We're back to sacrificed meat, thus Secular Paganism.
No... we all are aware of the technology behind this and that it was never approved because too many animals died during testing. And of the risks of heart damage, and that it's not such a good idea to put things inside one's body with no long term safety data, and that there are concerns about it causing greater susceptibility to the thing it tries to protect against, and that big pharma is concerned about its profits and not about anyone's health and safety. And that there's 100 years of studies saying cloth doesn't stop viruses, and that metastudies also show they do nothing, and that all the current medical "experts" were saying even in 2019 that masks don't stop spread, and that it's not good to restrict people's oxygen, and that children need to see faces in order to properly develop social and linguistic skills, and that maybe dehumanising everybody by erasing our faces isn't good for society and mental health, and that the issue became a mechanism of political control and tribalism, and that a Christian shouldn't wear a lie on his face and promote the cult behind such. Many more of us are aware of personal bodily autonomy and the detrimental effect of giving the government the right to overwrite a person's ownership of his own body.
Not so reactionary as your ill-thought little analysis portrays, is it? So don't place yourself on the pedestal of virtue and clairvoyance here for being the only one to see past the messengers, because you completely bought what they sold. This is in no way analogous to meat sacrificed to idols.
Hey Rus, which company has the most civil suits in history? One .ore question: which company provides the highest ad revenue for the Big 3 news networks?
I don’t find anything with a ground in what you said, it’s just a dogmatic statement
Religious claims have to deal with magical ones by definition wanting to promote a idea that is not a magical one does not make it religious or magic. A valid reason to pursue truth is not wanting to live a life where you are tricked into believing a false claim on no good evidence thereby when Atheists want to push truth it is not the same as religion.
*Scientism doesn't work*
Millions of people seem to deal with it fine and again science is not a religion, religion has magical claims on God, the afterlife and all sorts of claims relating to the supernatural and even an obsession does not grant it religious status. You know religion has a bad reputation thereby shove it onto those who don't share your ideas (accusing everyone else of being religious).
*When the Christian foundation falls people jump to Paganism*
Paganism is actually the original foundation of the west you silly goose, now i don't believe in Pagan claims either but the fact is the ancient society of Rome, Greece Aztec, Maryan and all of Europe alongside the Native Americans all had Paganism as their foundation. The Christian religion was forced onto all Europeans by threat of torture and death who then centuries after being forced decided to force it onto everyone else.
*Christianity or Paganism*
Id go to the one that is most accurate claim wise but again as for the appeal Paganism wins in that regard as it was the faith of my ancestors that they actually developed. It was not some cult that developed out of Judaism in Palestine but rather was created in Europe and Latin America (as for all my ancestry as i am mixed).
*It gives people power*
You mean how pastors become large mega church pastors and cardinals become popes and people fight for leadership and money all throughout Christianity? It is false that only the Pagans try to get power.
*Till Jesus returns*
Good luck as that ain't gonna happen, Jesus was a false messiah, he predicted he would return in the lifetime of his followers yet bailed on that promise (1900 years overdo) so he ain't coming back. Besides Pagans could argue that the return of Paganism is the natural order and that people are finally returning to the true faith after 1700 years of being tricked by Christians
Major Premise: Amoralism is the only rational atheism.
Minor Premise 1: You believe in being rational. (e.g. "A valid reason to pursue truth")
Minor Premise 3: You reject amoralism. (e.g. "forced onto all Europeans by threat of torture and death")
Conclusion: You reject atheism.
This will take the doomers to self improvement ❤
Har Har Mahadev 🔱
Har Har Mahadev! My pagan brother... I'm with you, from Bharat(or India). I completely support your pre abrahemic culture!
paganism is “postmodernism.” how??? lol
We want Paganism back..
@stilxfound3813 - no one is stopping people from that - unfortunately most people are
deceived and do not even know what they are wishing for - most have no idea what
Christianity is - it is not a religion and is certainly not the Roman Catholic organisation
or it's many offshoots and creations. There is a way that seems right unto men, but the
end thereof is the way of death. Our Creator is good and has provided many things for us
which many people misunderstand and also fail to research thoroughly or accurately.
Dr Jordan Cooper Another enlighten content for today and yet more thought provoking material to think about. By the way I really like your jumper ❤️🙏✝️God bless you brother and your noble work ❤️🙏✝️
Your god was served on a stick
Quit your whining and bollockings. Wake up, all you can “change” is yourself via your mind, heart, and actions. But, we can change you and all you do. Undo all your wicked actions and thoughts and views and heart. Just get over yourself. We are here to help you see the light and turn your head towards Facts and Light. Of which you are qducking away from.
I think there is room for both to coexist and reshape each other as they have for a very long time. Christ may be the son of God, he may not be, but I have reverence for his story. It's the greatest story ever told. But at the same time, the old ways and beliefs shouldn't be done away with completely. It seems foolish to condemn all of our ancestors and pridefully proclaim that we finally have it right over them.
When accusing other religions as "demonic", know that it might be you who's worshipping demon.
Yes, and its a wonderful thing.
I'm curious Dr. Cooper who are your ancestors? I'm pretty sure your ancestors worship the gods as well, until more recently of course a few thousand years. Just because your ancestors over the last 2000 years have worshiped a semitic deity doesn't mean that you have to, or that you should ignore the tens of thousands of years of ancestry that honored the gods. The gods you see are our progenitors, they are our ancestors.
Hail The Gods!
Hail The Ancestors!
Hail The Folk!
Folk Kom Hem!
@Methodius ☦️many of them converted to Christianity, but still practiced their traditional beliefs at home. Many were converted at the edge of the sword, It wasn't a true conversion. We cannot possibly know exactly how they did it, but much can be recreated if you read the lore and the Edda's etc. But this is 2023 and some things that our ancestors did then we cannot do now, but things can be adopted for the 21st century.
@Methodius ☦️ That's your opinion, which your entitled to.
@Methodius ☦️ Again your opinion. Have a great day.
@Methodius ☦️ They were forced to “convert” to Christianity, on pain of death. Which is why they practiced their beliefs In secret. Many European traditions and holidays have pagan origins
@Methodius ☦️ The oral traditions were passed down through generations, and kept sacred in several European communities. It’s part of the culture, traditions, and identity of the people. Do you have to be a priest to be a Christian?
yes but no but yes
Ad hominem
Its really interesting I once jumped on to a pagan Facebook group and asked the ones that believe in a god how do they account for the difficult problems atheists put forth like the problem of evil etc, surprisingly it almost felt like they were borrowing from Christian arguments.
But at least they are searching for something ancient in paganism as then they will most likely find the truth of Eastern orthodoxy (as have quite a few of them already done). God will lead them into the real truth of Christianity (not Lutheranism but E.O) so that every man can proved a liar and God be true
Most pagan religions don't have to worry about the problem of evil, since they don't view their dieties as omnipotent or all-loving.
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Well an uncaring God/gods is really a deistic god, of course when I asked them it was specifically to those who believed in a personal God/gods.
@@ThruTheUnknown the problem of evil doesn't work in paganism, because we don't fall into the nonsense incoherence of "omnipotence", the question would be why are you pretending to label Gods under human moral categories?
christians borrowed from pagans like Plato in the first place.
You make some pretty extreme claims and lack any evidence.
Speaking as a former Norse Pagan I would say that a lot of it had to do with a confusion of cultural identity in the West. I now understand Christianity to be a world religion for everyone but at the time it felt as it was more of a middle eastern or even Southern European religion where as I could find identity in being a Northern European descended Norse Pagan and worshiping the same gods my ancestors did. Another reason it was appealing was due to the demasculinization and pacification culture of the West and Protestant Christianity, where as I felt like I could truly embrace my masculinity and competitive drive in Norse Paganism but I had to always “turn the other cheek” or love my frustrating neighbor in Christianity.
Because it is. Pretending that christianity is somehow western is laughable at this point.
@@xiuhcoatl4830 Christianity built the West, not Norse paganism or any other type of paganism. Christianity is a world religion and not just an Eastern Mediterranean religion.
@@gch8810 hahahaha you wish... If something, christianity has only contributed to the destruction of the west. Pagans were the ones who stopped eastern invasions and settled the foundation of western civilization, that decisive moment was precisely the battle of Marathon who made all the greek polis join Athens and expulse the persians.
You know what the athenians screamed in that battle after their victory? It wasn't any thanks to Yahweh or Jesus, thats for sure...
@@gch8810 built the secular degenerate west.
You sought paganism with the wrong motivation in your heart. First of all, true paganism honors the divine feminine as much as the divine masculine. The modern reconstruction of Norse paganism is heavily biased towards patriarchal values and it usually casts aside the female deities, just like abrahamic religions did. True paganism has space for healthy masculinity (unlike abrahamic religions), but it goes hand in hand with accepting and honoring the divine feminine. Because all of us are made of both energies and focusing on one more than the other never ends well.
I escaped the sirens call of the New Atheists with the help of good men like you. In my late 30s now.
say your believ that Yaweh your god creted the world.
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Love the sweater!
Do you believe that Satan has been loosed? And that’s why we are seeing a rise in paganism? He was bound so he could no longer deceive the nations, but according to Revelation 20:3 at the end of the 1000 years he must be released for a little while. Is the 1000 years coming to an end?
Forget rationalism and the bright pagan agenda, I just feel compelled to play cricket with this guy. And I hate sports
Its just a sign of a regression of humanity. From an enlightened species that wanted to allign itself with the one true perfect God to a species that wants to regress back to their primitive destructive roots.
Science is equipped to give value. There is value in life accordance to nature. You’re so off the mark.
Religious diversity is always nice.
@@thejoshuaproject3809 because is reflects the immensity of the religious spirit. It reveals that people for nd spiritual solace in various approaches. Imagine if only one flower existed, just how boring that would be.
@@jupiterinaries6150 Absolutely brother! And the return of Paganism is still better than Protestantism.
@@jupiterinaries6150 There is only ONE God. Any other beliefs are false. Not good.
The freedom to believe what you believe is true is good. If you are not free to believe your fasle religion then I am not free to believe the truth.
@@markhorton3994 that's what Islam teaches. Are you Muslim?
No.
Most of them are into it just for the cool aesthetic, not any actual deep spirituality or the religious teachings.
Majority of religious rituals exist as allegories conveying occult truths, moral teachings and truths about the workings of the world. You need to investigate into those, consider how relevant they are nowadays and how you can refashion them to suit the modern times while still fulfilling the need for spirituality.
A lot of the pagan ones were very focused on the circle of nature stuff, the passing of seasons and especially their relation to agriculture. The holidays basically signified key times during the year: beginning of harvest, leading the cattle out of the fields for the first time in year etc. Those were also symbolically connected to the circle of life, or to literal interpretations of the long dead mythologies.
But nowadays majority of society has nothing do to with agriculture and usually the seasons hardly affect their life and work any more, meaning that for most modern pagans those rituals are just cool social exercises, their meaning pointless, or the metaphorical truths of their lessons defunct if realized at all. This however doesn't mean you can't repurpose them, as circle of nature is still a very actual symbol that lots of folks even subconsciously resonate with, for example by being more active and happy during spring. Cycles and connection to nature are a part of who we are, regardless of technology and a "modernised" paganism could likely help people in re-establishing this bond and bringing some order into their life. For example, I remember some pagan artist's post on 4chan who described how he uses the pagan circle of life and holidays as a basis for his creative work. For example the spring equinox (symbolising birth, beginning of new life etc.) was when he began working on new projects, while the winter solstice (death, reflection, end of cycle) was when he recapped and reviewed the work he did in the ending year.
So does that mean all Christians are strictly in it to pat themselves on the back and for political power? If you are gonna lob broad generalizations that have no factual basis, expect it to be thrown right back in your face
If they believe in the demonic, maybe there's a chance they'll believe in something more divine. This could be a blessing in disguise.
I hope so but doubt it, the word is out there. I get the feeling they've chosen the demonic specifically so they dont have to choose Christ
This is dude really knows what he is talking about with secularism and modern paganism being based on Christian principles. This is coming from a non Christian btw.
What "Christian principles" are modern paganism based on?
How can they be based on something that predates it?
@@bezoticallyyours83 Pagan societies are incredibly hierarchical and have very little empathy. If you look at neopagans the majority of them are extremely non hierarchical and empathetic. The reason they left Christianity is because it was too hierarchical and unemphatic. Nature is brutal and so is animism. Thinking a neopagan is like a traditional ancient pagan is like saying the goth girl on tiktok is a goth girl of 400ad comical since theirs no connection.
@@mrfren2115 Modern pagans are like other modern day practitioners of most religions, but paganism in of itself is far older historically. That is what I meant. 🙄 you said we took too much from Christianity, which doesn't make a lick of sense. You also don't need to be any particular religion to be a sympathetic and caring person, or a heartless shitbag. Something brainwashed zealots refuse to wrap their narrow-minded, fragile egos around. Most of us are somewhere in the middle of those ethics anyway. But yes we are very decentralized and mostly far more laid back then monotheists.
@@bezoticallyyours83 People have always cared about others but if you ever look into pagan societies you will see a level of callousness that is appalling to virtually all westerners. That is because to pagans, not neopagans, being nice is not very important. Look at the Romans, Germanic tribes, Mongolians, and even modern day Indians and you can see a pervasive lack of empathy for strangers. This is not a moral judgment but an absolute fact and is why the guy in the video said neopagans are not like pagans morally. Neopagans have morals more similar to Christianity than that of classic pagans which is not surprising since neopagans come from Christian societies. I have even noticed that neopagans seem to be even more likely than the general public to have attended Sunday school or church growing up. Most neopagans do not care for Christianity once they become neopagan but the Christian thumbprint is blatant to anyone who has ever studied religion unbiasedly.
Let's hope not. I find it interesting that after only two thousand years of Christianity we have evolved in science and technology. But paganism was like ten thousands years old and it didn't get very far. So let's hope we stay in the Judeo-Christian orb.
Pagan Rome had massive engineering, roads and bridges that stand even today, running water and sewers, central heating.
For centuries after conversion, Christian Europe was living in squalid mud huts on par with the homeless camps in Seattle.
@@kenofken9458 That's impressive but not as impressive as what we do now. And we lived that way because the people who sacked Rome, some might call them barbarians, destroyed a lot of the knowledge they held. But by that time both groups Romans and their enemies were largely Christian. And they were newly Christian. Which makes a big difference because they didn't have the centuries of studying the Christian religion and coming to know it's full potential. The reason I say this is because I'm wondering if paganism some how curbed the way they thought about life and science and technology. The most important scientists have been deeply religious Christians.
@@stuartday1330 Yes, Stephen Hawking was known for his deep Christian faith.🤣
You can't know that because Christians went from being persecuted to erradicate entire cultures, and all the good things you claim we have now, historically speaking are from yesterday, Christianity kept europe in the dark for millenia, Christians did not invented everything, not algebra, not paper, not powder not many many many things, actually they burned alive the astronomer Giordano Bruno for example for speaking the truth about the sun etcetera, so who the fuck are you trying to fool with that bullshit? Paganism is the true root of europe and some day the disgusting imported god of the desert who shouts "love me or else..." will be sent back to the desert from where it shouldn't had put a foot outside of it in the first place.
@@stuartday1330 Why would I want to worship a foreign jewish idol?
O Holy Baphomet,
Gleaming in the eastern sky,
Sign of righteousness in all the earth,
And hieroglyph of the arcana of the invisible world:
Exalt our minds and hearts with the light of wisdom,
Abide with us in the deepest darkness,
Enlighten us when we walk in the shadow of death,
And us mortals elevate on high:
Glory and eternal praises to thee,
O Baphomet most strong,
Baphomet most mighty,
Baphomet most wise.
Blessed be 🙌
YUP!!! PAGANISM WILL RETURN!!!
Lol not even 1% of the population, Christianity has only grown since it began, eradicated your silly religion and is now numbering over 2.5 billion with a 'B', and you think Paganism will rise again? A joke.
If this dude only knew that Abrahamic religions came from polytheism...