CBTC - Which Lines Should Get It Next?
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- CBTC is the key to better service in the NYC Subway System. Flawless service, without delays can only be achieved if the new CBTC Signaling System is more widely installed across the network.
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From what I hear about the CBTC, hopefully it will come quickly on the IRT division especially the 2:and 5 lines which I travel on mostly, to improve headways.
As a train operator in the IRT that would be great, I hate working the 2 and I tolerate the 5 since it’s express in brooklyn
@@strek357 I always considered
the 5 line worst than the 2 line especially dealing with those 20 minute or more headways when the 4,5, and 6 lines share tracks during construction on some weekends. No other lines in the system does this but the 5 line which doesn't make sense.
@@tombarzey7964 And the 5 is always underlooked. For instance on Late Nights, instead of running Lex and WPR, it only runs what I call the Dyre Shuttle
@@Axz_yyyysince I've been living near this line now for over 43 years, it's always been under looked.
The cars will need upgrades to R 188 technology on many of the cars same as the 7 cars got.
As a Bronx resident, I think the Concourse, Jerome, Broadway, White Plains, Dyre Branch, and Pelham Lines should get CBTC because:
1: The 4 needs to fix its overnight timing and same being said for all the other lines except for the 6
And 2: Not knowing what time those trains might come, you know it will be a 15-20 min gap. Sometimes you might get lucky and catch a 5 minute train.
@@CR1CreativeI have a real spriital feeling that the 6 Pelham line is definitely gonna have the R142As from the Jerome Ave 4 line 50% 50%R262As 50% R142s from the 2 5 trains. Another thing is definitely gonna happen is the Thrid Avenue Elevated line. Maybe they will bring the R62AS on the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line. Probably the R142s from the 2 5 lines or the R262s open gangways. I have a serious question I want to ask you did you ever look at the rolling signs on the R262s on you tube?
6th, 7th, 8th Aves a must, anything running exp/local tracks in Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, and The Bronx. Im sure the bottlenecking that Mystic mentioned should also be improved for more train traffic.
Nice! I’m surprised that you didn’t mention that CBTC is currently being Installed on 8th Avenue, and Lexington CBTC is also already planned anyways so that’s a start.
8th CBTC is still in it's early stages, and we don't know much about it. I mentioned QBL, as that is the project most currently know about.
@@MysticTransit They are currently working on CBTC on QBL (almost done I think), Culver (south of Church Avenue is also almost done I believe) and 8th Avenue (they are currently installing it but I think it hasn't been even tested yet). Next is the northern portion of Culver and the IND Crosstown line.
I always thought they couldn’t get the Lexington and 7th Ave lines onto the CBTC due to the fact that the R62’s are not in compliance with the CBTC and that the MTA was putting it off until the deliveries of the R262’s
@@enarush1 the next a division line to get cbtc is the skittles train
@@enarush1 7th av is on hold until R262's. Lexington on the other hand might have CBTC but lexington local would be on hold.
The lines I want to see CBTC be installed on (in order):
IND Crosstown Line (G Line)
IRT Lexington Avenue Line (4, 5, and 6 Lines)
IRT Eastern Parkway Line (2, 3, 4, and 5 Lines)
IND Grand Concourse Line (B and D Lines)
BMT 4th Avenue Line (D, N, and R Lines)
BMT Jamaica Line (J and M lines [discontinuation of Z service])
Here are all of the confirmed/planned CBTC Corridors:
CBTC Projects (2020-2024 Capital Plan):
8th Avenue (South of 59th Street-Columbus Circle to High Street) - In Progress
63rd Street (21st Street-Queensbridge to 57th Street-6th Avenue)
Astoria (Ditmars Boulevard to 57th Street-7th Avenue)
Crosstown (Court Square to Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets) - Planning stage
Fulton Street (Jay Street-MetroTech to Euclid Avenue)
Lexington Avenue (3rd Avenue-138th Steet/149th Street-Grand Concourse to Nevins Street)
Queens Boulevard East (Kew Gardens-Union Turnpike to Jamaica-179th Street/Jamaica Center) - Union Turnpike to 179th Street is slated for 2026 completion
Future CBTC Projects:
6th Avenue (59th Street-Columbus Circle to DeKalb Avenue/Jay Street-MetroTech)
Broadway/7th Avenue (Jackson Avenue to South Ferry/Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center)
Broadway (57th Street-7th Avenue to DeKalb Avenue VIA Bridge/Tunnel)
Fulton Street (Jay Street-MetroTech to Ozone Park-Lefferts Boulevard)
Rockways (Rockaway Boulevard to Mott Avenue-Far Rockaway/Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street)
I'll continually mention this. The R262 order is for the (4) (5) (6) and 42nd Street Shuttle. The Option Order I and II R211 have not been finalized. When the (B) and (D) receive NTT's as a result of the R211 order, travel times will improved because of the equipment used and decreased dwell times.
It is also possible for the (2) to get R262's. The (2/5) would most likely get the base order of R262, because they share their trains.
@@iNevaan The only way I can see the (2) using the R262's is they MUST retrofit the R142's for CBTC. If not, the R262's will only be for the (5) line.
IRT will still be messed up until Rogers Junction gets uncluttered. CBTC doesn’t look like it will fix the mess down there. And I think any CBTC on the main line IRT (1,2,3,4,5,6) will require a full wholesale change to R262 for the three borough lines and the 1 and 6 getting the R142 fitted with CBTC, unless it’s too far down the line then it might be more beneficial to retire the R142’s as well with R262’s replacing the entire old fleet.
The (6) is getting R262's. The (1) line all depends on where R262 Option Order II goes to. The R262's is strictly for the Lexington Avenue Line.
Not all the A-Division (formerly IRT) lines will receive the R262 railcars. There are some R142 & R142A cars on the 2 Train, the 4 Train, the 5 Train, and very few on the 6 Train.
The IRT was the first to start somewhat of a computer system with ATS automatic train supervision that works with the clocks and signals and turn outs but more trains would be hard being they don't have the rolling stock yet I guess they could add a few more an hour but not much until they get the R262s order running
That was known as "SAM", and operated the 42nd street shuttle without a motorman or conductor. Union saboteurs set fire to the equipment, and the project was quickly scrapped.
Been Waiting for this One. 🤟
Great Video! I especially agree with adding it to the 6th avenue line as it can take upwards of 10-15 minutes and the platforms and trains are very crowded
I doubt that signals are the reason trains are *this* infrequent though. Maybe it has to do with the DeKalb interlocking? But if so, how come N and Q lines aren't as bad?
I know the express track is CBTC central because they run back to back same with the 6 trains
Ps: congratulations on 9K subs
You should be a train dispatcher you remind me of Walter Garber (Denzel Washington) in the movie taking of Pelham 123
Heh, thanks for that.
Or how about ZACHARY Garber (Walter Matthau) from the original movie?!
Finish off the BMT Jamaica Line, since it has the equipment and transponders going all the way down to Kosciusko Street already, and parts of the BMT Jamaica Line up to Crescent Street already has it as well, just in case the (L) train gets sent there.
I feel like Concourse, CPWL, 6th Ave, and 8th av/Fulton needs CBTC next since those are lines that provides alot of ridership in manhatten most of the time on concourse you could see an R68 D express in any rush direction going 15-20 MPH on the express which is slow compeard to the 30-50 (I might be wrong) Speed Limit on QBL but until the R211's come concourse is on hold for CBTC as of now.
Concourse Express is disgustingly slow in both directions.
@@Bombardier2199 Facts
@@Bombardier2199 why?
@@qjtvaddict From 145th Street to Bedford Park Blvd on the express track, it’s slow. The downward slope from 145th to 155th is monitoring speed by Grade Timers. Then, what MTA decided to do was have D Trains switch local to make a stop at 161. Then another upward grade from 161st to 167th. Then there’s the switch after 167th, proceeding express to Tremont, which is a slow ride for an “express” service. After tremont is another upward grade from Tremont to 182-183 Sts. Fordham Road to Kingsbridge Road is another upward grade which is pretty steep so it’s pretty slow. Then from Kingsbridge to Bedford, it’s a 20 MPH speed limit due to the divergence of track in between Bedford and Kingsbridge. And this is just the northbound direction
@@Bombardier2199 That's only during days that the Yankees have a game. When that's not the case, the D does in fact go express from 145 to Tremont
i agree 100% with this video. 6th Avenue needs to be next in the B division and Lexington in the A division.
Agreed.
I agree with Lexington ave. I think Hms line from Delaney st to middle village and broadway function. Most of jnz are isolated and it have cbtc equipment.
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The 4 line, especially the shared express track in Manhattan.
You might as well get CBTC on the Jerome line too because 5 trains must merge onto the Jerome line from the West Farms line.
cool video i support to cbtc on the one line from south ferry to 242 st in the bx
The 6th Avenue Line getting the CBTC is A Great Idea. It's One The Lines I Use The Most, along With Lexington Avenue. I feel like The B Train Should Definitely Come Back as A Full Time Train. It doesn't Make Sense that It Doesn't Run on Weekends Anymore. The CBTC Will Definitely Be a Great Improvement For The Subway. Great Video. I'm Getting More And More impressed With The Content You Create.
Same for the broadway line
For that option 2 r211 would need to run on the b train to allow it to run on full time or weekends,the r68 should take a nap at night
@@dariusharley5548 a full time w train isn’t needed,but 7 train riders sometimes forget what weekend that the 7 train doesn’t run to Manhattan,so adding weekends to the w train is a good idea=r211 w trains,more r68a on the n line.
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 yeah it's the 46s are the problem
The idea with the six Av line is is that the B and D trains aren’t in frequent because the service day provide it’s not because of sin signaling that’s why the Broadway lines should get CBC before the six Ave
I thought about since the R train wouldn't Q get it since some of the stations from Lexington av/63st to 96 st are relatively new
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The Culver & 8th Ave lines are getting it next, followed by the G.
So, that explains why 7 Trains are very closer to one another. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
The next lines that will get CBTC are the Culver Line (F) in Brooklyn and the Eighth Avenue Line (A, C, E) in Manhattan. But to allow CBTC to be activated on eighth avenue they need to get the R211 subway cars into service as quickly as possible. The R46’s aren’t compatible with CBTC.
Your are absolutely right the Lexington Avenue line should definitely get CBTC because it’s the busiest subway line not just in the city of New York but the busiest in North America and of course it congested even during rush hours so with cbtc it can speed those trains up without slowing down
Broadway and Lexington CBTC were both pushed back to 2025-2029 Capital Program. They have will have to wait for a while
CBTC F.and E lines away then the Queens Blvd line of the IRT of the 7 line of the IRT from the 6 line to the 2.and 3 lines from what number train
CBTC on Sixth Avenue should be why the MTA should exercise all options for the R211z
I completely agree. I think the entire system could get CBTC if possible, but if not, the lines mentioned definitely need it. Before that happens, however, the old tech trains must be retired first.
Especially The N and Q lines The R46 They Have Been using them for Years And Because of the switch over to the R G and F lines
The "old tech" trains don't hafta be retired; just RETROFITTED. All It'll take is two circuit boards per car, plus other items such as antennas on the trucks.
You should make the video of the Tales of the subway about the 36 street shooting
IND is the priority along with lexington ave. after those are done, Astoria will follow then the BMT broadway line. 7th ave will be the very last to get CBTC. By then the R142's would be replaced or up for replacement.
Not so fast. The R62 and R62A cars will be replaced. They are SMEE equipment. The R142, R142A, and R188 are likely to be around for a long time. This depends on the amount of rail cars purchased.
@@captainkeyboard1007 by the time cbtc is done on Lexington, the R142s would be at the age of replacement. They can retire the R62/R62A fleet first then do an additional option order to replace half of the r142 fleet just enough to make the 2/5 lines 100% R262 on top of the 4 and 6 being 100% R262 while leaving the remaining R142s and R142A's (if the R142As don't get converted) for the 1/3 lines. Why spend money converting a (by that time) 28-30 year old subway car that has a fleet of 1,000+ cars when you can just replace them with new subway cars. The R142A's would be much cheaper to convert since there are 200+ cars that are left that were not converted into R188s and it's much easier since Kawasaki is still around. Bombardier is now a part of Alstom and I doubt they would want to deal with the R142s. The R142s would have to be rebuilt from the ground up since they are their own problem (they are reliable) but it took them almost a decade to get them to work right. A conversion like the R188 would be like putting lipstick on a pig esp if someone like CRRC does the R142 conversion.
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I am surprised Lexington wasn’t the first to get CBTC since they were the first to get fully NTT’s. Like the L
Yeah, but I assume the MTA didn't want to start with a line that has multiple different services on it.
The L was chosen because it was the most simple line - no interlining, no express service. The 7 was next, since it is also not interlining with other lines. This gave the MTA the option to fully explore the system and now they know what to expect.
Makes sense, single lines are easier to maneuver CBTC. Which is why Queens Blvd is a disaster during rush hours, the signaling system as they update is havoc
The reasons why Lexington Avenue wasn't first is for many reasons:
- The (4) still had a fleet of R62's well into 2009
- The (L) was chosen first because of its isolation
- The (6) line was planned to give up its R142A's to the (7) going back to the mid-00's.
@@BrIaNMeRcY1022 oh never knew R142A were already planned to be given up way before it’s actual time! #mtahistory
Queens Blvd, 8th Avenue, and Culver Lines CBTC are almost done. Crosstown CBTC is underway. Next up is the Fulton Line, 6th Avenue Line, Fulton Line, Jamaica/Myrtle Avenue Line would be next
A big price to pay for the retirements of older fleet but, hey, hope the CBTC is worth our time!!
It is. We just need to configure it properly.
@@MysticTransit in 2032 all lines will have active cbtc,the r268 contract must happen,r268 will have upgraded features from the r211 and 60 footer
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 Erm i think you mean the R262/A
@@BronXLimited r262/a isn’t going to be in the contract
@@MysticTransit I feel like the broadway line should get cbtc
The entire IRT should get CBTC and get in installed ASAP.
I agree, but we need the equipment for that.
@@MysticTransit I don’t want cbtc to be rushed
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 the R62/62A fleet will turn 40 very soon. They're obsolete and need to go. I keep in contact with some of my former student motormen and they're telling me the Lenox fleet is on their last legs.
@@MysticTransit ETCS is far better than CBTC because ETCS is a far more standardised than CBTC.
@@pbatommy mta has planned to re hab them to last until 2030
I agree. Our subway system having a 18 year gap between (L) CBTC & (7) CBTC is unacceptable. However due to Concourse Yard always wanting to put on a show with their R68 fettish, 6th probably wont see CBTC anytime soon sadly.
I fully agree with the gap being unacceptable. It is good to see them ramping up installation though.
I would't say concourse has an R68 fettish its that MTA is planning to retire the R46 just like the R44's R68's would be pushed off of concourse yard to bway to retire the R46's over there while concourse,207, and piktin yards gets the R211 this same thing happend to the R44's the R160's were sent to bway and pushed many R46's from bway to 8th av because of wheel crack issue on the R44's.
@@BronXLimited Yep. I hope they retire the R46s cause they be breaking down too much and are honestly an eye sore
@@BronXLimited Yea but that's the problem. Concourse is refusing to give up their 68's
@@BxRailfanJRP But the R211's aren't out yet concourse will still have to give up the 68/A's due to these changes that might happen.
It has to be Lexington Avenue line. The trains Need to run better and it is extremely busy
Is the R179s going to run on D line
The CPW line needs it Cuz The B train on CPW be slow as hell Plus C trains run mad slow on it
Yeah this should be done, and It will be good to see R262s, R142As and R142s
I have a real spriital feeling that they are gonna make the R262AS close gangways I'm telling you. They shouldn't never be taking down the Thrid Avenue Elevated subway line down. If they would of never taking down the Thrid Avenue Elevated line I garente you that you would definitely see the R62AS on the, Thrid Avenue Elevated line replacing all the R12 R14s on that line.
The old president Robert mosses and the president LaGuardia had fusted the TA workers to tair down all the extra elevated lines and the BMT IND lines and the iRT lines.
Low rider ships does not have nothing to do of taking down all these extra elevated lines down for nothing. They definitely were the courses of taking down these extra elevated lines down.
Why exactly is the city hall loop a limiting factor ? I would think since the 6 is essentially isolated from the express line, having a loop track instead of terminating tail tracks *cough* south ferry *cough* would mean you can push more trains thru.
The loop limits capacity because the limit on it is 10 MPH.
@@MysticTransit right. Hopefully CBTC means more trains can pass thru the loop closer together at the least
You do realize that South Ferry can also turn around more trains. even with the tail tracks, right? 24 trains per hour rather than 15 or so trains per hour, especially since the old loop station was inefficient (loops only work well if the trains don't stop there)
Still, terminating tail tracks can provide the maximum amount of train service that can terminate there. Many stub ends can turn up to 30 ish trains, with Jamaica-179th able to turn around 60 trains per hour.
How about BMT Broadway 4th ave IND 6th and 8th lines IRT West and Eastside lines. One thing that the MTA can explore is putting CBTC overlaid on ETCS Level 1 this is what Manila LRT Line 1 is using with CAF Elmira Mexico trains. That way there's increased frequency. Here's another thing to consider during the late evening D trains are still running express on 6th ave together with F train with a D train being 15-20 min behind the first one. If CBTC Current Thales/Siemens or the CBTC overlaid on ETCS Level 1 that will actually speed up the D train in the late night service pattern Making the gap being 3-5 minutes from the first train to the 2nd train. Those require a new high-capacity train 5 doors 75ft like a Alstom Metro Cammell Hong Kong MTR EMU or CRRC Sifang Chicago Springfield Illinois MTR Hong Kong EMU derivative to fit B division loading gauge.
They are just not running trains
Broadway would be a good idea because of that terrible interlocking at 34th Street where N trains go switch
Whole system might not get this in prob 10-25 years, but when that happens system will be more reliable.
From what I know the Culver line is almost wired up for cbtc from Jay St to Stillwell. B3 and B4 track from Bergen to Church is wired up already. They test CBTC equipment on the Culver express tracks. This is why the George is all 160 now because CBTC is gonna be on the Culver line and Crosstown. I think the G might go back to Continental once this is implemented.
That would be great if the MTA did the right thing for once and sent the G back to Continental/71.
You are correct. This is why the G trains stole all the R160s from Broadway
In accommodating sending the G back to Continental/71, the MTA should have the M on Queens Boulevard only during rush hours, and send it up to 96th Street the rest of the time. Thoughts?
I still wish that the G Line would return all the way into Queens to 71 Street-Continental Avenue.
@@ECO473 The MTA could do sup'm else right; they could send the G down to Coney Island on the express track....
But of course, that'd mean precise scheduling!
Image if it’s possible to put CBTC on a old train like the R46 lol 😅
YUP, YUP, and YUP!
Even the BMT 67-foot Standard coaxhes, and the R1/R9s, can be retrofitted. All It'll take is two circuit boards per car, plus other items....
Btw, the 44/46 series were delivered with that capability; the equipment was never activated.
Lexington Av and Sothern Blvd
Does anyone know why the mta went backwards in the subway cars on the lex ave line? I remember when i first moved back to nyc they had the 142 type cars and now they use the r62 type cars. it does not make sense to me to go backwards.
The 4 and 5 still have NTTs. The R142A trains from the 6 were converted to R188 cars and are used on the 7, so the 7 could use CBTC. The R62A trains from the 7 were therefore pushed to the 6. There is not enough R142/As to run on the 4, 5, 6, considering the 2 and 5 share trains, so what runs on the 2 also runs on the 5.
Flushing Line CBTC.
Onboard CBTC equipment isn't all that difficult to install on each and every subway vehicle the MTA presently has in its possession ; sshhhheeeiitt, even a BMT 67-foot Standard, or the R1/R9s, can have this equipment installed. It's just labor-intensive.
7th Avenue should be the ones getting CBTC last, i'm tryna see my R62As live, i'm never letting go of them 😭
Lmao, as much as I agree, the R62A's being your favorites shouldn't put a stop to CBTC installation. I do think that CBTC isn't needed on the line though, as (from what I've seen) it doesn't have many issues, and runs fairly frequently.
No The R62AS R62S is not getting no CBTCs on them. The R62AS R62S can not handle no CBTCs it's to old. That's the reason why they are definitely ordering the brand new R262/as R268/as . The R62AS R62S will never get CBTCS.
Lexington Avenue is definitely gonna be the first one to get CBTCS on the 4 5 6 S lines. After the Lexington Avenue line s get CBTCS then the 7th Avenue line will definitely be getting CBTCS.
@@leecornwell5632 bro i never said I i wish the R62A's would get CBTC
@@TheBronxFanner 7th Avenue is getting CBTC right after Lexington. It's coming sooner than you think. Why do you think the 1 gets shut down periodically?
Lexington needs CBTC because during PM Rush Hour the 4 & 5 is extremely over packed
Agreed.
Lexington CBTC was pushed back to the 2025-2029 Capital Program
Lex and then Broadway and then 8Ave line
What keeps it from implementing on the Jamaica line, after QBL East is done????
The BMT Jamaica Line wouldn't see many improvements with CBTC added to it. It's already running near or at it's max capacity during rush hours.
They need on the B D A C 4 5 bc of delays
As a daily 7th Avenue rider, I hope CBTC comes first on the express tracks than the local tracks. They gotta fix those timers at 96 Street and between 50 St and 42 St. Lexington Avenue really needs CBTC on the express tracks first. Tbh CBTC should be installed on the express first except for 6th Av imo😂
All the rapid transit lines will have electronic signaling Communication Based Train Control by a slow and itchy process. Since the New York City Subway has various kinds of rolling stock, this thing will make the CBTC an itchy conversion. It takes lots of money and time to fully complete.
@@captainkeyboard1007 I can understand the time, but the money can easily come from all the wasteful and expensive stuperhighway projects in the area which serve as examples of welfare for the rich.
@@user-dj7wv5ok2x That would be an ideal solution, especially if more motorists paid their tolls as required by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA). Otherwise, your comment makes golden sense. Thank you for typing to me.
The 8th Ave line since they already have the R179 and getting the R211 so it's not like they have to move stock to make it work ?
At this time it’s unknown if any r179 has cbtc equipment
Actually, the 8th Av line is getting it right now
I’ve been thinking that,in around late 2020’s or early 2030’s they install CBTC on the IRT Pelham Line 🟢 after when they delivered the R262’s
And the 4 got more trains now it got 48 train on the 4
SO DURING COVID WE COULD HAD BUILD ALMOST ALL THE SYSTEM LOL BUT YET PEOPLE WERE RELAXING AT HOME
I am in favor of the Brighton and sixth Avenue lines here in sheepshead bay getting cbtc, same with the west end and sea beach lines. I’m very annoyed with these fixed block signals and slow service on these lines. We had r160s on the Brighton line a decade ago, now we have down graded to r46s and r68s. Same with the sea beach lines. The r160s are more modern and safer in my eyes in the event of an emergency. With the recent shooting on the n train at 36th street station, both of these cars no longer have a place in service. Am I the only one who’s acknowledging the problems of the Brighton and sea beach lines? The r211s can’t come soon enough.
Watch them do the Franklin avenue shuttle first....
It should be on CPW and 4th ave
Can't wait for 8 avenue and other line s to get cbtc in the near future.
But wait. Why aren't they making the CBTC For the 8th avenue and 6th avenue lines? This might be a rip off. Can someone tell me when are they bring installed?
Because ABCDEFM getting the R211s
@@user-iy2qm5md6c it's not going on D Line. Plus it took me a year for someone to respond.
Nice video, I think this community could really use this typa shit more!! Its so interesting to see
Btw, can anyone explain to me exactly what about new tech trains makes them the only cars compatible with CBTC? I mean I don't have a lot of research on the topic, but to my knowledge its just pretty much a box they put inside the cars right?
The New Tech cars have provisions for CBTC, whereas the legacy cars do not. It’s also more than a box inside the cars.
@@TheRailLeaguer The actual electronics package is no larger than a small laptop; two per car are installed. Now, with the older rolling stock, it'd take a helluva lot of wiring and plumbing (for the air brakes) to retrofit them, but it COULD rather easily be done. Even the BMT 67-foot Standards, and the R1/R9s can be retrofitted.
@@user-dj7wv5ok2xNot necessarily and with the older cars, they are mostly on the way out so it’s a lot easier and cheaper to buy factory fresh cars with CBTC installed (also helps to expand the fleet too).
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What are your car assignments for the R211 cars
First part was 7500 Dane not 7501
is that 18 trains per hour in both directions or one direction
No only in one direction
Amazing video, first
Thanks!
The R68s would be displaced to CIY, right?
send the r68s to the staten island railway, so they dont go to waste.
No. Staten Island will get R211S’ Trains. The R68s will most likely be displaced, and placed on another B-Division line that doesn’t have CBTC currently.
@@MysticTransit Exactly.
CBTC should be installed on the whole network. But that means an entire new signaling system (save for the little bit already installed) and renewing half of your fleet. That costs BIG BUCKS. You can’t raise the price of a token another quarter and solve your money problems with this one. So the project gets spread out over a number of years. If you want to accelerate CBTC installation, you CANNOT even bring up any expansions, because there isn’t money to pay for both at the same time.
Money can be obtained from all the stuperhighway projects that just end up wasting tax dollars in the long run....
Imo the J train should get cbtc because I take it sometimes and I’m always praying that I don’t miss a train. The waiting times on the J is 10-15 minutes sometimes. Just my opinion DONT kill me.
How much less expensive is it to renovate the R142 and R142A fleets as opposed to just ordering more R188s?
They are not ordering more R188s. 126 new cars and 380 R142A conversions are more than enough for the Flushing Line.
In addition, not ordering new cars is NOT an option, especially as the older legacy fleet does not have any provisions for CBTC unlike the NTT train cars. To maintain current service levels, provide fleet expansion, and ensure a CBTC-compatible fleet, idler trains cars must be replaced. It is cheaper to order new NTT cars than to refit the existing legacy fleet.
@@TheRailLeaguer that didn’t answer my question at all lol. I asked how much cheaper is it to renovate the R142s than it is to order new cars. It had nothing to do with what’s more logical or the best solution; it was a simple numbers question.
@@raphytejadax2 For that question, refitting the R142s should be cheaper by the millions than ordering new cars, especially since the cars have many years left of life in it.
@@TheRailLeaguer ahh okay yes I wanted to know what the a range of what the difference between the two would be so this suffices. but just realizing it going back to your point, weren’t the 380 conversion cars called r188s afterward because of the installation of the cbtc equipment? wouldn’t that just make the entire fleet technically r188s? which renders my question utterly useless 😂🤦🏽♂️
THE 456 LINE NEEEEEED CBTC!!!! ESPin BK
Installation of Communication Based Train Control system on the whole rapid transit network is an itchy and a slow process. It will take comprehensive organization in order to put it forth to full speed. The electronic parts to be installed along the [rail]road calls for lots of time to be accomplished successfully. I do not believe that the SMEE railcars will be equipped with Communication Based Train Control. They were made for manual operation without electronic controls, like those to the destination side signs on the R44 and R46 cars. There may not be enough room underneath the chassis (car body) to add any new and electronic equipment.
Basically, ANY TRANSIT RAILCOACH can have CBTC; all it'll take is two circuit boards, some wiring (and plumbing, for the air brake lines), and antennae installed inside each truck----even the BMT Standards and R1/R9s can have this equipment installed on them....
@@user-dj7wv5ok2x Many older railcars would be unsuitable for automatic train operation. Their airbrake and electrical equipment are big and bulky and would need to be removed. Also, the destination side signs would be very expensive as a replacement for electronic signs. Also, holes must be cut through the sides of the chassis for additional public address (PA) speakers. The old railcars would need new and modern airbrakes, electric, and electronic components to be installed underneath the car chassis, thus costing the rapid transit owners extra money. Rapid transit or subway cars do not have plumbing. Commuter railroads such as Amtrak, Long Island Rail road (LIRR), and Metro North, have plumbing parts only for the sinks and probably the commodes in the lavatories. Older railcars were made for manual operation. Modern railcars are made for regular train operation with electronic innovations [for automatic train operation] to make train operation easier and simpler for train crews. Thank you for typing to me.
Why isn't there a P line? Oh wait, those are outside the few bathrooms there are.
Nice joke.😐
I agree with the lines that should get the CBTC equipment next, but what I disagree with is the time it takes to install the system. Literally only working nights and weekends prolongs the work to upgrade, and time is of the essence. If anything, what they should do to minimize construction times and headaches is to close some lines for three months at a time. This gives crews room to rip out the old system, install the new CBTC system, and also do other work to keep the stations and tunnels in shape as well. You could probably shave months off the schedule. Yeah its going to be a full closure, but the system is upgraded sooner and less intensive work will happen in the future.
I think we can only do a full closure on certain lines. Lines like the Crosstown, Fulton, and 63rd St Line can have a full closure, because there are alternatives for travel, and they aren't extremely crowded lines.
Lines like Lex, QBL, and 6th though, should stay open, as closing them would only cause more crowding on the other paralleling lines, and the bus lines that run on those streets.
@@MysticTransit You do have a point on that, as full closure on busier lines can result in crowding as you mention. I have been thinking of alternatives for these lines, including local only service or express only service. Either way, I’m just hoping for a faster timeline for CBTC installation. I’m honestly tired of waiting for more reliable subway service.
I'm tired of waiting as well, and I think a good way to speed up installation, is maybe midday shutdowns.
Maybe: During midday hours, there will either be no Exp or no Lcl service along a line, to allow for quicker CBTC installation.
@@TheRailLeaguer TBH I feel like whenever they want to install CBTC on the 6th Av or Broadway Line, they should shut down the express tracks. I don’t see a point in express trains on those 2 trunk lines, I could be wrong ofc but that could speed things up!
I think SEPTA should get CBTC as well.
I think he Broadway lines cause it will allow R160s to go back on their line they originally went on and I don’t like R46s on the Broadway lines R160s best be on the N Q R W
Ding ding ding exactly.46s are slower and need to retire soon.
Or there just gonna send 211s to the lines 👍
Liking a certain type of fleet should not be the determining factor for CBTC.
@@MysticTransit yes but if CBTC went on the Broadway lines it will go back to the old way it used to be R160s on the N Q W all day everyday
@ 5:45, the 1 line too.
The (1), while it does use older cars, wasn't mentioned because I didn't think it needs CBTC at the moment.
People holding the doors creates a big problem
CBTC can't fix that, though....
I think the Brighton lines should get CBTC (B,Q)
Yeah They Should Also Add CBTC on the Astoria Line if the N and Q Should get New Subway cars
Oh, it's only something that's been around all over the world for over a quarter of a century and we're still installing it in nyc, the greatest city in the world. Yeah okay.
Can you please change the rules for the discord server I can't verify my phone number I don't got no mobile data my mom said she can't pay right now PLEASE
Maybe your phone needs CBTC instead of AIRPLANE MODE!
@@user-dj7wv5ok2x dude are you autistic like what the hell are you talking about
Third
Cbtc should've been in the system
Lexington Ave End of the story.
Honestly none. It’s too much trouble for what it’s worth. IMHO it’s a waste.
We have this system in London
We are ahead of you guys
Except that there's NO EXPRESS SERVICE, NO 24/7/365 SERVICE, NO FLAT FARE, and although minor, no FORWARD VIEW which would be of great assistance in helping new riders locate certain landmarks that'll allow them to make determinations as to which stop would be best for them at a particular time. Without the forward view (ESPECIALLY when one can be easily provided), such equipment is closer to being an overglorified freight car....
yay you said Singapore
If only I were female; I'd actually LIKE Singapore....
Of all the mass transits I have taken, the NYC subway is unfortunately the worst I’ve experienced. Dirty, confusing and in some cases dangerous. NYC could do better…
Try riding some damned BUS in Los Angeles; the NYC subway system would be considered PARADISE by comparison!
CBTC installations i would like to see
Lexington Avenue (4, 5, 6):
149th street upper level to Nevins Street
Jerome Aveune Line (4): Woodlawn to 149th street upper level
White Plains Road Line (2/5) Wakefield 241st street to 149th street lower level
Pelham Line (6): Pelham Bay Park to 3rd avenue 138th street
7th Avenue (1, 2, 3) 149th street lower level to Atlantic Avenue Barclays Center
Broadway-7th avenue Line: Van Cortandlt Park 242nd Street to 96th Street
Eastern Parkway Line (2, 3, 4, 5) Alantic Avenue Barclays Center to New Lots Avenue
Nostrand Avenue Line (2/5): Franklin Aveune to Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College
Concourse Line (B, D) Norwood 205th Street to 125th street
Central Park West Line (A, B, C, D) 125 Street to 59th street Columbus Circle
4th Avenue Line (D, N, R) Dekalb Avenue to 59th street
West End Line (D) 36th street to Coney Island Stilwell Aveune
Jamica Line (J/Z,M) Jamaica Center Parsons Archer to Briad Street
Myrtle Avenue Line (M) Delancy Excess Street to Metropolitan Aveune Little Village