Soul, Scenery, and Storage: 2021 Street Glide vs. 2021 Chieftain vs. 2022 R 18 B | Cycle World

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  • @maddoggie501
    @maddoggie501 2 роки тому +85

    I have the BMW R18B. I absolutely love the comfort and uniqueness of this bike. It has a lot of character and if kept under 80 it’s completely smooth. I rode for about 50 miles at 90 to 100 and although it vibrates it never hurt my hands or made me slow down. As a owner of numerous HD tourers, the BMW is a fresh breath of air, and you won’t see one on every corner.

    • @LEEBEECEE
      @LEEBEECEE Рік тому +3

      I just bought a new 2023 B , any advice ? Thanks

    • @lanejohnson7656
      @lanejohnson7656 Рік тому +2

      Something else you won’t see on every street corner is a shop that will work on a BMW. I can’t speak for their bikes, but being in the automotive side they are needed…
      As much as I dislike Polaris thru experience with several of their products I would easily by an Indian over a BMW

    • @JNAMOTORSPORTS
      @JNAMOTORSPORTS Рік тому +6

      @@lanejohnson7656 bmw bikes aren’t like that I work at a dealer we never work on them

    • @feloniousmonk3049
      @feloniousmonk3049 Рік тому +2

      @@LEEBEECEE Buy the tools and buy the cable to reset the light when you do your own services. Absolutely use the specified fluids for service. Fuchs Titan EG 4218 BMW M3 GL5 spec 70w-80 hypoid gear oil for final drive on the shaft and gearbox. learn to adjust the valves and do oil changes yourself. PIA to pull the right fake "valve cover" and have to use a tool from the tool box to undo access to the motor oil spout.

    • @feloniousmonk3049
      @feloniousmonk3049 Рік тому +1

      @@JNAMOTORSPORTS Probably because the fluids, material and labor rates are exhorbitant for basic service.

  • @michaelschmitzerle2587
    @michaelschmitzerle2587 2 роки тому +71

    Love those Indian motorcycles!
    They just keep getting better and better!

  • @bertflores6377
    @bertflores6377 2 роки тому +103

    Brand loyalty can hold one back. I've owned 3 HD's and 2 Goldwing's but my BMW is a precision beast. The TFT takes some getting use to but other than that it a fantastical motorcycle. we can armchair quarter back about what's the best bike but until you actually been on the BMW and first hand witness the fit and finish, it's engine and ride. Did I mention I had 2 GW's and 3 HD's?

    • @spencerderosier6649
      @spencerderosier6649 Рік тому +6

      Youve made my decision. When my Vulcan motor goes out I’m getting a BMW

    • @lanejohnson7656
      @lanejohnson7656 Рік тому +7

      Venturing off into the unknown can also be bad. I have zero experience with their bikes but have some experience with their cars being in automotive. Finding a shop that will work on a BMW can be a nightmare depending on where you are and many areas will have to resort to trailering it to a shop. And on the automotive side they need repairs.. lol. That alone will keep me off a BMW seat.

    • @charleschenet2336
      @charleschenet2336 Рік тому +7

      @@lanejohnson7656 BMW cars and BMW motorcycles are a completely different. Don't judge the Bikes until you try it.

    • @ragetobe
      @ragetobe Рік тому +3

      @@lanejohnson7656The issues is the same in the UK but in reverse, finding a place to service a HD is almost impossible, BMW however offer very good service packages.

    • @lanejohnson7656
      @lanejohnson7656 Рік тому +4

      @@charleschenet2336 If I find their cars not so great I’m not going to spend my money on a motorcycle of theirs.. lol I like BMW car styling because they are wickedly cool looking cars, but you couldn’t give me one. I have a hard time believing their bikes are any better..

  • @caesarskiba9008
    @caesarskiba9008 2 роки тому +8

    This is why i love competition in an open market. It forces competitors to be better and better!

  • @deandesrosiers6857
    @deandesrosiers6857 Рік тому +19

    Great reviews guys. Your conversations are perfect for these bikes. I am 6’3” and I have the BMW R18 TransCon and it’s a work of art. I feel like I have lots of leg room. And the 10 inch screen, stereo, acc, brakes, suspension and overall tech is light years ahead. After 20 years of sport touring and adventuring riding, it’s nice to slow down and lumber. The vibration disappears using roll mode and the character works.

  • @BlackbirdSSR
    @BlackbirdSSR 2 роки тому +60

    That Thunderstroke engine in the Chieftain is bulletproof and so much fun.

    • @thesage1621
      @thesage1621 2 роки тому +2

      until you hit 50k miles...then it goes kaput

    • @theonlyredspecial
      @theonlyredspecial 2 роки тому +2

      @@thesage1621 really ? 😮

    • @therecanbeonlyonechris5019
      @therecanbeonlyonechris5019 2 роки тому +6

      @@thesage1621 not true Harley guy. I have 50k miles on mine not a single problem except there was some sort of relief valve on the front of the right side case that would weep a drop or 2. It was hardly noticeable. I got it changed out

    • @tdozzy991
      @tdozzy991 Рік тому +4

      I just dont like the looks of the BMW.

    • @ericthered7226
      @ericthered7226 2 місяці тому

      I'd like to know what bike Justin rides. I bet I already know.

  • @hangglider100
    @hangglider100 Рік тому +14

    BMW R18 - a piece of art👍 🌟

    • @phillippugh2161
      @phillippugh2161 2 місяці тому +2

      Except for the fact they can't give them away

  • @grumpyoldpig
    @grumpyoldpig 2 роки тому +44

    My last HD spent 17 weeks in the shop during is first year. Switched to Indian and very happy!

    • @fmpabxx7834
      @fmpabxx7834 9 місяців тому +1

      Apparently you absolutely suck at taking care of your bikes. My Harley is a 2004 with 50k miles and it's in pristine condition.

    • @Ryan-ko3ve
      @Ryan-ko3ve 7 місяців тому

      ​@@fmpabxx7834may have got a dud lol. I have a 2019 sgs with 84k miles and still running strong. Only needed Oil and tires.

    • @frankmarkovcijr5459
      @frankmarkovcijr5459 7 місяців тому

      Yeah right because you have hardly any miles on your bike. 50,000 miles on a 21 year old bike. Pathetic really. My bike looks good because l don't ride it. HAHAHA😂😂😂​@@fmpabxx7834

    • @repealthepatriotact
      @repealthepatriotact 5 місяців тому +3

      @@fmpabxx7834 You need to back off man. He clearly states it was in his first year-that's not "taking care of" his bike, that's a clear poor build and warranty claim nightmare, which a couple of my friends have had with Harley as well. Maybe 2004 was a great build quality year, but the more recent years......I hear more hit and miss. 3 of the older guys I ride with tried the new Goldwing and they were all mad they hadn't dumped their Harleys years ago. And a Goldwing will easily double the total miles a Harley will while being way faster, smoother, and getting better mileage.

  • @jamesrichardson2893
    @jamesrichardson2893 2 роки тому +56

    I have a Chieftain and agree on the stock seat, i didn't like it at all, so changed it to the stock Roadmaster seat and it's so much better. I find the foot position compared to the Harley is so much more comfortable. I find the Harley just sits too high and found I couldn't lean it as far as the Indian. I have stage 1 and 2 performance upgrades and the bike has great power, and very comfortable on long trips

    • @thomasjoseph9224
      @thomasjoseph9224 Рік тому +3

      Still like your Indian? I’m about to buy one. Long time Harley rider here

  • @tomjohnson3610
    @tomjohnson3610 2 роки тому +14

    I picked up a Chieftain and have no complaints.

    • @thomasjoseph9224
      @thomasjoseph9224 Рік тому +2

      Still liking it?

    • @tomjohnson3610
      @tomjohnson3610 Рік тому +4

      @@thomasjoseph9224 yes. Went from a Rocket 3 Roadster. Less power (stage 2 kit helped a bit) but much nicer ride.

  • @bglenn2222
    @bglenn2222 7 місяців тому +7

    Honestly I've owned several Harleys and the BMW R18B is hands down my favorite bagger I've experienced.

  • @gtsteele6219
    @gtsteele6219 2 роки тому +30

    I'm still searching my Chieftain for that "blow-molded plastic" with the untrimmed flashing. Was your test bike a kit?

  • @choose_wisely144
    @choose_wisely144 2 роки тому +14

    Just ordered a 2022 Indian Chieftain Dark Horse, it arrives in September. Though I'll miss riding for this summer, I'm still excited about the bike. It offers some much more standard opinions than any of the two bikes listed in the video.

  • @CVO_MAN
    @CVO_MAN 2 роки тому +55

    I always owned HD Touring bikes and my last one is a CVO Road Glide. Last week end I bought a BMW Transcontinental and the handling of this bike in tight curves and hairpin bends is amazing and much better than the various HD Touring bikes I had. Suspensions too are way better than the Street Glide or Road Glide or Limited I had all with Ohlins shocks. The level of details and perceived quality is just amazing with the BMW R18 B or Transcontinental. The Torque that these bikes give in REAL life (not with numbers only...) is exactly the same of a 114 ci HD V-Twin. Vibrations? Use the mapping modes and learn how to manage RPMs with this huge Boxer 1800 cc engine and everything will be under control. The 10.5 inches TFT of the R18 B or Transcontinental is from another league. The Marshall stage 2 of my Transcontinental is way better than the Boom Audio 2 system of my CVOs (Street Glide, Road Glide). These bikes are way better than what I see in many USA videos where reviewers or wannabe ones tend to always stay with American bikes.

    • @joshbrook6849
      @joshbrook6849 2 роки тому +12

      Id say Harley sponsored there review!

    • @dh2392
      @dh2392 2 роки тому +5

      If you're touring on these motorcycles, Harley dealerships are everywhere, while BMW dealerships are scarce. A breakdown on a BMW motorcycle could literally result in a tow of hundreds of miles to the nearest dealership.

    • @CVO_MAN
      @CVO_MAN 2 роки тому +9

      @@dh2392 probably in Your Country. In Europe BMW dealers are definitely more present, in number, than HD dealers.

    • @dh2392
      @dh2392 2 роки тому +2

      @@CVO_MAN yes, I am talking about the US. Here BMW dealers are not common.

    • @duosable
      @duosable 2 роки тому +11

      @@dh2392 Harley dealerships are everywhere because there are harleys break down everywhere. LOL just a motorcycle joke.

  • @OzBloke
    @OzBloke 2 роки тому +26

    That Indian rear suspension does it for me - My Streetglide nearly broke my back 😏

    • @hondanut7564
      @hondanut7564 2 роки тому +4

      Agreed HD rear shocks are embarrasing !! swapped out for Ohlins as first thing to do

    • @PotatoeJoe69
      @PotatoeJoe69 2 роки тому +3

      I think everyone would agree Harleys rear suspension is shit, and they probably make it that way on purpose.

  • @titankeith
    @titankeith 2 роки тому +15

    My 2014 Indian Chieftain has been an amazing bike. I've never had a better bike, and I've owned them all. I am seriously considering the Indian Challenger, though.

    • @nativeoutdoors1780
      @nativeoutdoors1780 9 місяців тому +1

      Did you get a challenger? I think if I had the money the challenger would be the best bike

  • @Fred-eg9sx
    @Fred-eg9sx Рік тому +9

    I notice that folks rarely mention the BMW's adaptive cruise control and the reverse gear? Why is that? I found the ACC to be a game changer for touring, and the reverse gears make it a breeze to move the bike around.

  • @vam523
    @vam523 6 місяців тому +3

    I got r18 tc 2022 dis bike have everything very cool and comfortable bike

  • @hdmoto3875
    @hdmoto3875 2 роки тому +31

    I feel you didn't mention the Indian comes with power locking saddlebags, Power adjusting windscreen, tire pressure monitoring, and LED lights all the way around. You can't get that on a Harley unless you get a CVO, but you still don't have a power windscreen. I had a 2018 street guide special, and I felt cramped on that bike, And after about 20,000 miles I kept smelling oil when I got through riding it, I have no idea why. So I traded it in on a 2020 Indian chieftain elite, and I don't regret it at all.

    • @UnkindPenguin71
      @UnkindPenguin71 Рік тому +1

      seems like a bias.

    • @lanejohnson7656
      @lanejohnson7656 Рік тому +1

      Probably because not everyone cares for those 3 features.
      To me personally a power windshield is a gimmicky feature that’s it not a matter of if but when it will fail. My Klockwerks is not only install and forget with zero worry of mechanical failure but also adds to the looks of the bike..
      Whenever I’m getting off the bike I am opening at least one bag to throw gloves in and grab a hat. I’m literally standing right next to the bag so locking it (if I want to) isn’t an issue. I also don’t have to have my fob if I want to get in it or someone else I know is getting into it if it’s unlocked. Which happens a lot in my experience.
      I’m not a fan of tire pressure monitors because for 1 tires balance better internally, I often order tires and install them myself, I don’t like ugly weights on the outside of the wheel and most importantly I like to inspect my tires frequently and I trust a gauge more. With tire monitors people to tend to get lazy and just look at the screen to see pressure and not inspect their tires.

    • @hdmoto3875
      @hdmoto3875 Рік тому +5

      @Lane Johnson And that's okay, but a lot of us do care about those features. You do you, that's okay, those of us that like those features, will enjoy them. I have two Harleys, and I have two Indians, so I'm not a Harley hater, I love my Harleys, but I love my Indians too. Harley fan boys are just haters, they hate anything not Harley. I like all motorcycles, I don't care about the name on the gas tank, if I like it, I like it.

    • @lanejohnson7656
      @lanejohnson7656 Рік тому +1

      @@hdmoto3875 I’m far from Harley or die. Yamaha made some of the most sexy and reliable bikes on the planet. It’s sad they got out of the game.
      Something to ponder on. When you demand manufacturers to add features that will end result make their products disposable and throw away with systems to fail with time, you will get a throw away bike that drops in value dramatically.. Not a big concern if constantly chasing the latest and greatest and can afford the loss.

  • @donnyirish190
    @donnyirish190 2 роки тому +21

    Nice review guys, I own a RGS and a Chieftain and agree with your opinion on fit and finish. Where I would disagree is in the handling aspect, Harley stock suspensions have always been hot garbage, the main reason so many guys turn to fox, ohlins ect as the first mod done to the bike. The mono shock is a far superior design and the Indians now come with fox installed. You left out one major category and that’s reliability.I can’t speak to BMW as I have never owned one but the Indian is as close to bullet proof as you can get, just like it’s cousin the Victory bikes were. The Harleys seem to always have issues with every bike they put out, us Harley owners just come to expect it as part of owning a Harley. My father used to tell me when I was young don’t buy a Harley unless your willing to work on it, and unless you have the money to pay a dealer that advice still rings true today. That being said I will always own a Harley even tho they are far from the best bike available they are however the most loved bike available by most Americans.

    • @KindredGh0st
      @KindredGh0st 2 роки тому +1

      This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the input. I have a Vic Cross Country that really didn’t give me many problems. I was pissed when they shut down Vic, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I buy a Harley given their reliability, and that BMW looks like it’s got a face only a mother could love.
      Thanks again man!

  • @jimrhoads9075
    @jimrhoads9075 2 роки тому +3

    My 2019 FLHTK is extremely comfortable, looks amazing( Granted I did chrome all around and changed every light to LED). Threw on a full Cobra exhaust(deleted the cat) and a Woods 22xe cam and an arleness heavy breather and now runs like a rocket. Couldn't be happier!

  • @Peter-mcmcmc
    @Peter-mcmcmc 2 роки тому +13

    Excellent video, guys. Working for such a corporate stalwart, I give you mad respect for your consistent objectivity. I own a '21 Street Bob and plan to add a '22 RKS to the stable this year, and found your analysis useful. I'm just too much of a purist to add infotainment. Thanks for making such great content.

    • @mojomanmurph1925
      @mojomanmurph1925 2 роки тому +1

      I thought the same but quickly changed my mind after I bought mine. You will like it especially on those long rides.

    • @Peter-mcmcmc
      @Peter-mcmcmc 2 роки тому +1

      @@mojomanmurph1925 So you're saying you've got a SGS and prefer it over the RKS? I ask because, ironically I just sat on a SGS at the dealership last week and loved the ergonomics. For me, it was WAY more well-suited than the RGS. Granted, I'm 5'9" and the RGS cockpit seemed "too far," but the SGS seemed like Goldilocks. I'm looking to buy by summer, so I'll give it a serious look. Thank you.

    • @ICEMANINVADER
      @ICEMANINVADER 2 роки тому

      @@Peter-mcmcmc I have a 2020 sgs with ALOT of aftermarket and S.E parts and I love everything about it. I’m 6ft and with the mustang seat, ext rear brake lever, floorboards and 12” bars, it’s great for my height. Legs aren’t pressed to the tank, pulled back controls, and the seat with the lever gave me like 2” leg extension. I changed the F&R suspension because I’m heavier and carry gear. All things being equal the SGS and RKS are the same minus the fairing and what comes with it. I couldn’t imagine not having a full fairing after having one, like with my pickup truck, given that I’m likely to say “let’s go” and haul out for 2-3 days. The RGS to my understanding is diff in that you’re less leaned back than with the SGS but idk as I’ve never been on one. My gf was thinking RKS but then the heritage caught her eye and she fell in love.

    • @chonasimpson6487
      @chonasimpson6487 2 роки тому +1

      Glad they picked the bike you like even though they are full of it lol.

    • @Peter-mcmcmc
      @Peter-mcmcmc 2 роки тому +1

      @@ICEMANINVADER Thanks for your insights and sorry for my delayed response. Ironically, I was at the dealership last week and a 2020 SGS with 12" bars caught my eye. AS SOON AS I SAT ON IT, I knew it was a serious contender for my dollars, alongside a RKS. I'm nowhere near your height (5'9"), but, like you, the seating position and general ergonomics felt "Goldilocks." No doubt those 12" bars made the difference compared to when I sat on the RKS.

  • @infini1970
    @infini1970 2 роки тому +10

    Leaving out the gold wing was a mistake. I know you can't have them all though but the Gold Wing has earned it's place. I'm not biased. I ride a Street Glide daily ;). Great video either way.

    • @jeffm8882
      @jeffm8882 2 роки тому +2

      Might as well buy a scooter.

    • @RayBlack321
      @RayBlack321 2 роки тому +1

      @@jeffm8882 I have a 2020 road glide but that new GoldWing is a bad bitch!

  • @rfastring
    @rfastring 2 роки тому +13

    Price matters. My 2022 R18B was $16k before $500 military discount. No HD or Indian came close. Shaft drive, no belt adjustment.

    • @feloniousmonk3049
      @feloniousmonk3049 Рік тому +1

      LMAO.... wait until you get the service bills on that. Price of parts is outrageous. You'll get final drive service bills for 500 ml $75 bottle of 70w-80 G3 hypoid oil every service. $1100 services every 12k miles. And a biggy at 24k miles for transmission fluid service too.

    • @frankmarkovcijr5459
      @frankmarkovcijr5459 7 місяців тому +3

      Are you insane? Fluids changes are easy to do compared to a HD. $75 for gear oil ? No way.

    • @galatians22122
      @galatians22122 6 місяців тому +4

      You are Right! If you are In the Market RIGHT NOW Is the Time to Pick Up an R18: Low Miles Pre-Owned there are some crazy low prices out there. I picked up the R18B From a Harley Dealer with 200 Miles for $10,499. STOLE IT!!!!!!!!!

    • @galatians22122
      @galatians22122 5 місяців тому +1

      @@feloniousmonk3049 As if Harley service is cheap ha ha ha

    • @hillbilly4christ638
      @hillbilly4christ638 2 місяці тому +1

      You can afford it compared to a 40k Harley. Oh wait, now Harley is woke. Wait for it, the gay drive. You can get it in every color of the rainbow. Remember Cartman!

  • @Jodyrides
    @Jodyrides 2 роки тому +7

    there were five BMW shops within 12:40 hour of my house here in western Pennsylvania. Now there are zero BMW shops. That didn’t matter much with the old air cold twins that gave BMW they’re excellent reputation for reliability and ease of maintenance.
    but starting with the K bikes in the early 80s, the BMWs were not so simple or serviceable by the owner anymore. BMW is the only manufacturer of cars and motorcycles I can think of that creates special fasteners that you need special tools to remove and install many things.. I had to buy a special tool just to bleed my clutch fluid on my K 1200 LT. I was advised by BMW owners on blogs to not even attempt to change the brake fluid on my K 1200 LT because if I got air in the system, the complete braking system was shut down completely at the computer, and it would have to be trailered to the dealer to have him plug it in to do a reset. And, although I did the job myself after buying a special adapter to increase the volume of the master cylinders because of those electric/hydraulic brakes., That would have quickly sucked the brake fluid out of those small master cylinders, shutting down the system, which is what happened to EWAN McGregor, and his friend Charlie Boorman when they went around the world on BMWs back in the 2000s. They had a brake Failure on one of their GS machines, and even though they were on the phone to the factory engineers, they could not jury rig something to get the brakes to work at all. A little inconvenient because this happened in the middle of nowhere in Mongolia were the closest people rode yaks. Somehow they were able to find someone with a vehicle to transport them to the train station where they sent it back to England with no brakes..
    my point is, with bMWs, you have to marry the dealer even if you are a do it yourself mechanic like I am. I was a mechanic at four different dealerships when I was in my 20s. I do all my own work I always have, even warranty work, I had a 750 Honda that had defective valve guides from the factory. there was a recall. I pulled my own engine and pulled ahead and gave the dealership which I actually used to work at one time to them to change the valve guides because I didn’t have the tools for that. Then I buttoned it back up and plugged the motor in..
    but with today’s motorcycles, especially BMWs, you have to marry the dealer, and around here in western Pennsylvania, all five dealerships are gone..
    my experience with my very first BMW K 1200 LT, with many issues, convinced me, I will never buy another BMW. I’ve had three ventures, AGL 1800 Gold 1, four moto guzzis, many dozens of Japanese bikes, Kawasaki triple two strokes, Yamaha RDs and TZ‘s, RZ, Suzukis two and four wheel, Hondas, CB 400 F, CB 750 F, CR 125, even a Bridgestone 350 GTR, beta, gas gas, and fantic trials bikes, I currently have a Kawasaki Z 400 , and I went backwards and years to get away from ABS brakes and bought a Yamaha royal star venture, they can be serviced practically with the tool kit on the side of the road if the clutch, slave cylinder, STATOR, or water pump were to give me trouble on a trip. try that on a GL 1800 or a BMW K 1200 LT..
    I do my homework, but if you don’t, labor rates in dealerships now are $125 an hour.. I had a mechanic that was a BMW motorcycle mechanic in one of the local shops in 2010. He was working on a K 1200 LT when I stopped in for an air filter. He called me back to his work area and showed me that he had to remove the trunk, the bags, the fender, the rear frame section, the swingarm, the wheel, the transmission to get out the clutch, because the clutch was ruined when the slave cylinder leaked on it. He said, this is a $4500 job, and that was in 2010 prices..
    That’s something to think about before you go out on that BMW limb

    • @conecomp8835
      @conecomp8835 2 роки тому +2

      Sorry about your experience Jody. I don't know what 12:40 means but there seems to be about the same number of BMW shops here in western PA as there were when I brought my first R75 back from Germany in '75. Not that it really mattered much. I'm on my 5th BMW since then with over 175,000 miles on them and have never had to take any of them to a shop. The most was a 99 K1200 LT with about 75,000 miles in 15 years without a problem or maintenance that couldn't be done at home. I realize the computers of newer bikes will probably require special tools should the need arise. Also, as a disclaimer, I never used the stereo on the LT and will probably never use a NAV system on a bike. I concur with some of the criticisms of the R18 they pointed out. As I currently tour on an RT, none of those apply. I think most of us would enjoy riding whatever we have and there's a lot of nice looking bikes out there.

    • @Jodyrides
      @Jodyrides 2 роки тому

      @@conecomp8835
      I didn’t want to complain and badmouth my only BMW I ever had. I know a lot of BMW riders. But they mostly rode the old air cooled twins.. A buddy of my name Wayne Kelly had a BMW specialist shop.. One of the things he specialized in was dual plugging the heads..
      here are some of the issues I had with my K 1200 LT
      if I use the side stand. On the restart it would pour white smoke out the exhaust. My dealer in Wexford PA said that’s normal
      The rear brakes made a horrible grinding sound. The dealer said he could fix that for $750. New rotor and pads from the aftermarket
      Final drives we’re failing across the country. Two guys that actually rode together and won the iron butt on bmw’s They carried a complete spare final drive. that had to weigh 40 or 50 pounds…
      The windshield was optically distorted. For a motorcycle costing that much that’s not acceptable.
      It had hydraulic/electric brakes. They had no feel. They were grabby at below 5 mile an hour speeds. The weird front end did not absorb braking energy. When you hit the front brakes, that energy from the motion and decelerating would go into your front fork springs on a conventional front end..But only on that BMW front end that nobody else in the industry has even attempted to copy, when you hit the brakes, that energy does not go into the front fork springs. That makes the bike a handful to control. The thing weighed 900 pounds.That is the only motorcycle I have dropped in the past 40 years. talking to other BMW K 1200 LT owners about me dropping my machine. They laughed and said, get used to it, everybody drops them and they were not kidding.. I dropped it 2 times in parking lots with the front wheel slightly turned when I would hit the grabby no feel electric brakes.
      The machine had a security system that if I stopped for just enough time to fill the gas tank, I would have to get out that key fob and press the button to deactivate the security system every time.
      you must bleed the brakes at least every 2 yrs on those machines because they use electric pumps in the ABS braking system to feed the hydraulic pressure to the calipers. every site I found on the Internet said- dont even attempt to do this yourself. If you get air in the system, the bike will have to be trailered to the dealer because it shuts down The complete brake system on the machine you won’t have any brakes front or rear so it goes to the dealer and gets plugged in..
      this happened to actor EWAN McGregor and his friend Charlie Boorman as they were circling the globe on BMW GS machines with ABS.They made a television series that was on television called long way around about that trip. And in the television series it showed them having problems with the brakes that could not be fixed.
      They had been trained on how to work on the machine before they left on that trip by the factory technicians. They had satellite phones with them in Mongolia when they had a brake problem. No matter what they tried with the assistance of engineers on the phone, they could not get the brakes to work even a little bit. They ended up transporting that bike to a train station somewhere in Mongolia with the help of the locals, and they had to ship it back to England. They ended up buying a Jawa motorcycle for the cameraman, and took his BMW to finish the trip. That’s how complex that computer controlled ABS brake system is..
      so that had me very concerned about attempting to change the brake fluid myself. I called the dealer in Wexford and asked when can I get an appointment and how much is it just to change the brake fluid.. they could squeeze me in in three months, and I believe it was $750 just to change the brake fluid plus parts plus shop materals plus disposal fee plus tax.
      I ended up buying a video showing me how to do it which was very simple actually. The danger was the master cylinder was too small and because it had electric pumps that sucked the brake fluid out it could empty that Reservoir in a couple seconds as soon as you turn the key on. So you just add a little container that made the master cylinder reservoir able to hold about a quart of brake fluid it seems. That was the answer. It was simple after that, but $750??? Parts were expensive too. I think I paid $30 for a bmw oil filter. I think the air filter cartridge was $85.. that was 2010 prices..
      an acquaintance was a mechanic at that BMW shop in Wexford. He had a BMW K 1200 LT on the lift with the whole back end of the machine off. All the luggage trunk wheel transmission all off and the flywheel was exposed. I asked him what was up with that machine when I stopped in to see him one day. He said the slave cylinder leaked on the clutch ruining the clutch. I asked him how much is this gonna cost the owner. He said about $4500. That was in 2010.. probably $6000 today..
      I struck a deer at 70 miles an hour on that BMW. I didn’t go down. $5500 damage. nothing unusual there.. but both of those mirrors went straight to China when I hit that deer. In 2010, those mirrors were $492 each, plus tax. I thousand dollars for two mirrors? They weren’t even power mirrors, or heated mirrors..
      it was one shock after another owning my first BMW. And that’s my last. They sure ain’t what they used to be. I never experienced costs, or symptoms, or imperfections, or flaws like that on any of my Japanese motorcycles or on my 4 moto guzzi’s or my fantic, beta, or gasgas non japanese machines…especially not combined all problems in one bike, that happened to be the most expensive motorcycle I ever owned..
      please don’t take this personally, but I don’t think that the BMW I owned was even as well-made or as reliable as a 1969 Honda CB 750.. it was the most flawed most expensive motorcycle I ever owned. I will never buy another BMW. When I speak to other BMW owners that are honest. They don’t defend their machines. they reluctantly agree with me..
      part of the enjoyment I get out of owning motorcycles and I’ve owned many dozens of motorcycles. I won’t even tell you because you won’t believe me. But I enjoy working on them. But with a BMW, you have to marry the dealer unless you have all the “ special tools” they sometimes require.. I had to buy a special wrench just to change the brake fluid. And that special adapter to increase the volume of my master cylinder to change the brake fluids..
      my BMW K 1200 had A great seat. My wife loved the passenger seat, and both seats were heated. That was wonderful. The grips were heated. It had an electric up down windshield. reverse,That was nice. It had a center stand and a little handle for lifting the bike on to the center stand. That was a nice touch. I thought the bike was beautiful. Mine was black.. it was very smooth on the highway, and it rotated left to right very sharply. The brakes were extremely powerful. The rear wheel was very easy to remove with that single-sided swingarm.. I thought the bags were a little small. I liked the big gas tank. The speedometer/odometer was off by about 10%. Which made it appear to get better gas mileage than it was actually getting. It would say I went 100 miles, when I only went about 90 miles and it had the correct size tires front and rear. There was not much of a selection available for it in the tire department..
      It had many great qualities, but it had many flaws and that’s why I got rid of it. The worst flaw was how unstable it felt with those grabby no feel electric brakes.. every time I had to pull up to a stop sign, I was nervous, because I thought I was gonna drop it again if those brakes started to grab unexpectedly again if I had to turn the handlebars doing a parking lot maneuver..
      I had a good friend of mine that owns a collision repair shop do the repairs after the deer impact. He did excellent excellent work. Not even a single Phillips screw head had the paint flaked off of it. It looked as good as new. it had all new plastic, new headlight, new windshield, new front fender, new fairing stay, new mirrors. Everything looked new, I sold it and bought my 4th moto guzzi.. a norge which i rode for 12 years.. it had abs, Single sided swingarm, excellent suspension with much adjustability that the Italian machines are famous for, a great seat, heated grips, electric windshield, projector beam headlights, four of them, and I could adjust the valves on that in 45 minutes without even removing the gas tank.. I only saw that because I want a more upright position for a long distance, that’s why I bought the Venture

    • @criscainemusic
      @criscainemusic Рік тому +2

      @@Jodyrides Well, I bought a R1200R in 2012 and up til today, after almost 100,000km. I can say, that I never had any issue with the bike so far. Just normal service and replacing the usual wear parts. Did a handful of tours across Europe with it.... the only thing I had to do was filling gas into the tank. Also all other BMW owners I know had hardly any issues with their bikes over the years. You might have had a lemon. Happens once in a while. But I doubt that you spoke to that many other BMW owners. Especially to ones with boxers.

    • @johnlocke_1
      @johnlocke_1 5 місяців тому

      You wrote a book that nobody wanted.
      Wow.

  • @erics9754
    @erics9754 Рік тому +3

    All the Harley fans say excellent video .Of course they would.

  • @AdrianRP1
    @AdrianRP1 Рік тому +2

    Watched the video. Thks for the review. Been riding forever, owned many diff bikes. My 2021 R18C is fantastic! It's very smooth! I had it Brentuned, DNA Stage 2 air cleaner, makes GREAT power...excellent gearing...handles great...set the cruise at 105mph...freakin' SOLID...blows away many things....most importantly it is UNIQUE...reminds me of a FW-190... The most unique character of the 3. Btw...parking lot speeds are a breaze! It's all in the clutch! Plus, you FORGOT to mention it has reverse! Best bike of the 3 imo...HD ...yawn...as common as the flu in January.

  • @ehsan83
    @ehsan83 Рік тому +4

    Great comparison but one important point was missed and that's the reliability and maintenance cost of these three bikes. In which order you would classify these bikes?

  • @curtrodriguez1036
    @curtrodriguez1036 2 роки тому +2

    I bought my HD SG Special in Snake Venom blacked out 114 last August. It only has just over two inches of travel and you feel it. Rides and corners perfectly, slow handling is exceptional. I like the stock seat for now. Picked up a new 2021 Indian Challenger for the wife for Christmas, this is a beast! Outperforms HD in every way except fit and finish and for me style, which is subjective.

    • @davidvanbrunt4233
      @davidvanbrunt4233 2 роки тому

      Go with legends suspension, total difference...👍🏁🏁

    • @TheNichola6
      @TheNichola6 2 роки тому

      Comparing water cooled to air cooled

    • @nokoolaid
      @nokoolaid 2 роки тому

      @@davidvanbrunt4233 Or Wilbers. Even better.

  • @Tonycrossfit
    @Tonycrossfit 2 роки тому +2

    I owned a 2014 Street Glide Special with the 103 and regret selling it. I really loved it and enjoyed riding it like I stole it 😎. I now own a 2004 Road King with the 88 engine and numbered 15/100. I really love the way it rides better than the Street Glide I owned previously. I’m thinking of getting the R18B. I want something different and nostalgic.

  • @llthesign
    @llthesign 2 роки тому +10

    Fair, honest review. You can always rely on Morgan to give a review that even weighs the "intangibles." Well done!

    • @chonasimpson6487
      @chonasimpson6487 2 роки тому +4

      I have not watched the whole video but i suspect when someone says fair and honest review it usually means they think the Harley was the best lol. Sorry Indian for the win and its not even close.

  • @albertleitmeier121
    @albertleitmeier121 2 роки тому +2

    Hi, i am writimg to you from Germany near Munic. I drive only BMW cars, but never a BMW Bike.
    I own 2 Harley Davidsons, a Ultra Limited and an new Fat Boy. The BMW and the Indian are also very
    nice Bikes, but it never feels like a Harley. For me it exists only one Bike...Harley Davidson 4ever!!!!
    Good job!!!!!

  • @MrJimmy1437
    @MrJimmy1437 2 роки тому +5

    Three antique motorcycles competing each other!

  • @yoshit9819
    @yoshit9819 2 роки тому +12

    Great review. Having been a Harley rider all my life (still own 2. 01 fatboy and 74 shovel) went to an Indian Springfield in 16. It was different at first, but the "connection" you guys mentioned, came around.

    • @stephentest9117
      @stephentest9117 2 роки тому +2

      My 16 chieftan is tight smooth ride and the price comparison you guys didn't mention you get more for your money speaking with the indian where as Harley always wants extra for windshield that doesn't move floor boards on a indian are gigantic

    • @lanejohnson7656
      @lanejohnson7656 Рік тому

      @@stephentest9117 Indian gives you more for your money alright.. Very limited paint options, terrible colors of what options you do have, what paint you get wasn’t well done, inferrer chrome, a gimmicky windshield and a guarantee that it will not hold its value in comparison..
      What a deal..

    • @nativeoutdoors1780
      @nativeoutdoors1780 9 місяців тому

      ​@@lanejohnson7656it won't hold value because harley artificially inflates their prices, they purposely don't sell good deals and they want you to trade in old bikes so they can get you into another overpriced bike but then they can sell used Harleys at a higher price to appear "value retained"

  • @dccycler3554
    @dccycler3554 2 роки тому +7

    This was one of the most balanced and objective reviews of three baggers that i have seen. Well done guys. While it was balanced, I did scream at the video a few times….especially when it came to the comment that Indian wasn’t that comfortable / lacked room-e-ness on the floordboards and seat. I realize this is subjective - but - by all accounts many riders argue how UNcomfortable the Harley stock seat is. HD floorboards…seem fine and no issues from my perspective. I was surprised that you didn’t mention the throttle lag on the Indian which is a real disappointment but you learn to manage it. Again, this was a well done review of the three !!!

    • @c5vette739
      @c5vette739 2 роки тому +1

      The stock seat on my SGS is very comfortable.

    • @jamesrichardson2893
      @jamesrichardson2893 2 роки тому +2

      I have a Chieftain that had that throttle lag, the dealership reprogrammed it and it worked much better. I also find when in sport mode it completely eliminates any lag at all, it's much more responsive

    • @dccycler3554
      @dccycler3554 2 роки тому

      @@c5vette739 I had a SG and on a 400 mile ride, I was in pain. For me, short distances the stock HD SG seat was fine….but forget about it on long hauls. Thanks for the comment!!

    • @dccycler3554
      @dccycler3554 2 роки тому +1

      @@jamesrichardson2893 Ok, I have now have a Challenger, stage 1…and might need to get it re-tuned…as I still have some throttle lag but have gotten used to it. Good idea, thanks for the comment.

    • @DarkHorseParatrooper
      @DarkHorseParatrooper 2 роки тому

      @@jamesrichardson2893 lol I may need to complain to the dealer then, see if they'll retune my Challenger for free. I totally get why people dislike the low end throttle input. On the rm I had, it was smooth.

  • @barendfourie6687
    @barendfourie6687 2 роки тому +23

    I have been looking at buying a bagger and Harley so far come in 2 nd because I have to buy the bike and immediately change the seat and upgrade the suspension. Bmw is not on my list. Indian Challenger so far is no.1. great suspension and seat. Engine is great. Waiting to see if Yamaha is bringing their bagger back.

    • @airtexaco
      @airtexaco 2 роки тому +10

      Have to agree. I am now on my second Indian and won’t go back. I don’t agree with these two on their fit and finish opinion, but that’s ok. I do not like that 107/114 at all. I’ve had two HD and two Indians. I agree with you on the fact that HD will sell you an expensive bike with a ton of flaws that YOU can pay to fix and “make it your own”. No thanks, I don’t agree with their opinion on HD fit and finish. But! It is your money, get what YOU want. I don’t judge the Harley guys because that’s what they like. I laugh whenever they go for the Polaris line. OK…

    • @dwightdarling1021
      @dwightdarling1021 2 роки тому +2

      Too bad for you. Harleys and Indians are nice but limiting. It’s like touring in a truck. It’ll get you there but limits your Performence. Ride the BMW and you’ll never look back.

    • @claudelarocque3655
      @claudelarocque3655 2 роки тому +2

      If your waiting on Yamaha to come back with a bagger your not to serous about buying a new bike

    • @thomasfrank280
      @thomasfrank280 2 роки тому +1

      Well, it's horses for arses. Rubber side down. Cheers!

  • @harrieback6457
    @harrieback6457 Рік тому +6

    Where is the goldwing?

  • @jordanjoestar8839
    @jordanjoestar8839 2 роки тому +14

    After riding the Street Glide and Chieftain dozens of times, I disagree that the HD has the better handling. It's low speed turn in and suspension/brakes are far superior. The HD feels incredibly top heavy and wants to dive left/right at very low speeds. At times it feels like wrestling a bull. Also, the Indian has stronger calipers, better forks and a Fox rear chock.
    They are all a great option though.

  • @carguybd
    @carguybd 2 роки тому +7

    Funny, I own 2 sport tourings and 1 each sport and ADV bikes, and at my local dealership this summer BMW was offering extended test rides of the R18. I expected to hate it, but I nearly bought it on the spot I liked it so much. I’d never buy a Harley, simply because when riding with my buddies (6 different brands, probably 200 days of touring), the only failures that we’ve ever had were the HDs, and it happened twice. No thanks.

    • @zanderburchfield5832
      @zanderburchfield5832 2 роки тому

      Bmw has a much higher failure rate tho than harley Harleys is 26% failure rate while bmw is 48%

    • @trucker-d4161
      @trucker-d4161 2 роки тому

      @@zanderburchfield5832 well. That said, the Harleys on our rides, someone always has an issue.

    • @chonasimpson6487
      @chonasimpson6487 2 роки тому

      Wise man people today are very easily controled to buy certian products based on marketing alone and tend to want to fall in line like sheep. That is why you see so many Harleys on the road or side of the road lol. I see this slowly changing and see many more Indians good for Indian but i liked it better when my roadmastrer was a minority.

  • @galatians22122
    @galatians22122 6 місяців тому +2

    If you are In the Market RIGHT NOW Is the Time to Pick Up an R18: Low Miles Pre-Owned there are some crazy low prices out there. I picked up the R18B From a Harley Dealer with 200 Miles for $10,499. STOLE IT!!!!!!!!!

  • @gregorywarren2460
    @gregorywarren2460 2 роки тому +6

    Love these comparisons. Great job as always!

  • @MHeadroom
    @MHeadroom Місяць тому

    Great, articulate, respectful and objective review. Even my wife found it interesting ( and she doesn’t ride). Nice one. 👍😎

  • @klfrostmediallc334
    @klfrostmediallc334 2 роки тому +5

    I rode my Victory Vision from San Diego to Sturgis to SLC and then home to Massachusetts…when I rode around Sturgis guess what make of motorcycle I ALWAYS saw on the the side of the road broken down? Right the Harley Davidson…

    • @barrybarnes96
      @barrybarnes96 4 місяці тому

      Considering the bike brands hanging around Sturgis is probably 85% Harley ..that's not surprising.

  • @GreenFields-7777
    @GreenFields-7777 Рік тому +1

    I owned a Harley for 18 years and rented numerous BMW’s. I currently have an Indian dark horse chieftain. I love Harleys, but Indian is a better motorcycle all around. Unless you want all the merchandise and the belonging that Harley brings, I don’t see why you would buy one over an Indian. The best motorcycle I’ve ever ridden is a BMW 1250 GS adventure. The power, the speed, and the balance and the agility are amazing and the tech on it is incredible.

  • @Focus_On_Your_Driving
    @Focus_On_Your_Driving 2 роки тому +5

    Victory made Harley work hard to keep up. Had a 2011 Cross Country and it could carve mountain roads and walk away from the Harleys.We Victory owners were thrown under the bus when they sold out to Indian and made our bikes worthless overnight. Victory was one of the best bikes I ever owned.

    • @blbikerman
      @blbikerman 2 роки тому +3

      I STILL OWN MY VICTORY CC PLUS A INDIAN AND A STREET GUIDE, THE VICTORY CC HANDLES BETTER AND WILL OUT RUN IN THE CORNERS AND STRAIGHT OF WAYS

    • @richardsmith5738
      @richardsmith5738 2 роки тому +4

      I completely agree. I would actually say, "Victory made Harley work hard to CATCH up." That Freedom 106 engine was way ahead of Harley for years. In fact, I'd put my 106 up against any stock HD 107....that had several problems when it came out. By the way, I'm not a HD hater. I have one, but I have to be honest.

    • @KeystoneTexan
      @KeystoneTexan 2 роки тому +2

      My 2011 Jackpot walks all over those HD 107’s. Long liv e the Freedom 106!!

    • @colbylaro9361
      @colbylaro9361 2 роки тому

      The reviewers couldn't seem to detach indian from Polaris, why not try an indian? I absolutely love my chieftain.

    • @lanejohnson7656
      @lanejohnson7656 Рік тому

      What Polaris did to Victory owners is a big reason why I will likely never buy an Indian. They dropped Victory, screwing their customers to try to play off a names heritage that was dead for at least a half century.
      I’m not a fan of Polaris due to terrible experiences with their jet skis and 4 wheelers so I I’ve never been excited to drop $30+k to see if their bikes are any better. I damn sure won’t drop $30+k to be tomorrows Victory owner..
      They would have earned more respect from me by building up the Victory and building their own legacy and heritage instead of dropping it for a dead name and try to play it off as it never died. And the victory bikes except that funky looking touring bike had a better style to begin with..
      Can’t remember what model of Victory caught my eye. I was all in on it until I seen the Polaris casting on the engine (I wasn’t aware Polaris owned them at the time). Instant flashbacks of my sisters jet ski she purchased 1 year before Polaris quit making them. It was a pile of crap day 1 and lived in a shop. Brother in law tried to trade it and the dealerships flat out told him they didn’t want it. He finally hauled it to the dump where it belonged before even being unboxed. I’ve been around FAR more junk Polaris 4 wheelers than decent ones.

  • @teecee2146
    @teecee2146 10 місяців тому

    I have an Indian Chief Vintage 2016 and I like it. I like all three of those bikes that you tested too. Good review guys. 🏍️

  • @gerardmontgomery280
    @gerardmontgomery280 2 роки тому +1

    Can I just say thank you. I've seen a few HD's and R18's in the wild but Indian haven't really got a foothold in the UK yet. That said I've been looking at their bikes, they look great in pictures. This is the first review to show the Polaris group stuff that's carried across. I now realise there's a reason they're a little cheaper than the competition and that's because they're just not as special. The Beemer and HD are bespoke machines. As a UK/Euro rider I'd probably have the R18 Classic, partly due to dealer network, partly due to quality but mostly due to style. The big baggers are a little too big for our roads. Oh and I've also ridden 1100 and 1250 boxers so I already love those engines. Personally I'd have likes to see a telelever on the BMW though. It just seems right for a boxer.

  • @williamgehring2291
    @williamgehring2291 Рік тому +2

    I was always told "There is no replacement for displacement. BMW R18 wins

  • @chops1971able
    @chops1971able 2 роки тому +1

    I ride a 2018 Roadglide special and really have no complaints. I’ve never rode an Indian, but the local Indian dealer is having a two day event coming up this month where you can come in and test ride every model. I’m kinda drawn to the Cheiftan, and I’m looking forward to taking it for a spin. Who knows, maybe I’ll make the switch.

  • @fauveride
    @fauveride Рік тому

    I have an r18c, and when I watched this video a few months ago, I sympathized with the vibration issue.
    However, I have driven 15000km now, but I can confirm that the large vibration has been greatly reduced. That's a fact that surprises even me

  • @LesterSuarezGonzalez-dz9ns
    @LesterSuarezGonzalez-dz9ns 5 місяців тому

    NO doubt at all My favorite Motorcycle of these there Amazing Bikes it's The Absolutely Stunning, Superb, Spectacular and Unique BMW R18 Bagger ❤👊✌️👍😊!!!

  • @joevsfood
    @joevsfood 2 роки тому +3

    I have a '21 Chieftain. I agree on fit and finish. Especially the paint, or paint options. But it mops the floor with the competition on power, tech, suspension and overall performance.
    Edit: the Harley SGS is the sexiest bike ever made IMO😁

    • @guins99
      @guins99 2 роки тому

      I have the 21 SGS, 30k out the door and I’m in process of adding legend air along with yaffe stretched tank, sorrento seat, monkey bar 12” bars and upgraded lightings. Oh and electric center stand. I’ve already changed out headers and slip Ons. I love it but have had to spend 40k plus to get it really custom.

    • @davidhoman3887
      @davidhoman3887 2 роки тому +1

      A 21 chieftain makes the same power as a 21 sg so not sure about mopping the floor on power.

    • @northerniltree
      @northerniltree 2 роки тому

      @@guins99 Sorry to hear that.

    • @grh450
      @grh450 2 роки тому

      Agree 10000%

  • @swiss9632
    @swiss9632 2 роки тому +3

    I thank you for your review. I bought a 2022 Harley-Davidson SGS. This review tells me I did good. This is my second SGS. Pricey, yes! But you get what you pay for.

    • @chonasimpson6487
      @chonasimpson6487 2 роки тому +1

      Try a Indian and you will realize you could have done better.

    • @swiss9632
      @swiss9632 2 роки тому +1

      @@chonasimpson6487 I did try an Indian. They could not come close to my deal. Plus I would not have been able to use all my accessories I moved over. No Indians for me!

    • @jeffm8882
      @jeffm8882 2 роки тому

      Harley is Harley. Indian is Polaris. Wont be around long.

    • @mosgor
      @mosgor 2 роки тому

      @@jeffm8882 - I think Indian Motorcycle is in a perfect place. Polaris has been around since1954 making high-quality, breakthrough products and broadening the view of Powersports. The future looks bright.

    • @thomasjoseph9224
      @thomasjoseph9224 Рік тому

      @@jeffm8882 yeah ok

  • @huibertdegraaf9622
    @huibertdegraaf9622 Рік тому +3

    This is pretty interesting since I have owned 4 harleys, so if I compare the bmw r18b which I own now to my 2021 roadglide with a 128 in it, it rides so much beter even I had all my suspension upgraded on my harley. Bottom end torque is way more then a stage 2 114 harley. It has as much torque as my 128 had. Not top end power ofcourse but bottom end definitely. Overall way better bike then a harley.

  • @jimanders9971
    @jimanders9971 2 роки тому +3

    Fit and finish: Triumph Rocket 3.
    Engine power: Triumph Rocket 3. By far.
    Handling, brakes, suspension: Triumph Rocket 3. By far.
    Feel: Nothing compares to the Triumph Rocket 3.
    Weight: Of course the Rocket.
    Touring comfort: The Rocket GT is the most comfortable I have ridden.
    Infotainment: Eh, not a biggie to me.
    ABS: the Rocket has it all.
    Modes: The Rocket shines.

    • @linchgui4972
      @linchgui4972 2 роки тому

      So is it a bagger?

    • @trucker-d4161
      @trucker-d4161 2 роки тому

      Let me guess, you own a rocket, tool😂

    • @linchgui4972
      @linchgui4972 2 роки тому

      @@trucker-d4161 nope, rode both GT and R, decided to keep my XDiavel S and Street Glide S

  • @angelolauria7781
    @angelolauria7781 2 роки тому +4

    The one thing you couldn't assess was reliability. How will these bikes rate 3 years from now?

  • @batuksri
    @batuksri 2 роки тому +10

    The Gold Wing bagger is what you need.

  • @conniemclaughlin3156
    @conniemclaughlin3156 2 роки тому

    If you are actually going to go out and tour.....dealer network and support are HUGE, and even that is an understatement. H/D Dealers are everywhere. If nothing else that should be the main deciding factor if you are going to go out and really put miles down. The only thing H/D is missing is water cooling. In HOT conditions, especially at slower speeds, the engines just get too darn hot. BUT, it is still they way to go. Being on an H/D is just "right".

  • @GuyInMassiveDebt
    @GuyInMassiveDebt 2 роки тому +2

    I don't hate Indian but when you sit a Indian and a Harley of similar models the quality of the Harley stands out by far.

    • @d.mar.2624
      @d.mar.2624 Рік тому

      I totally agree. I rode other bikes and yeah they're nice, but there's something about Harley's that feels way more solid. (Except the 2022 sportster 975. It feels cheaply built)
      Folks like to complain about Harley but a lot of them are the guys that either don't take care of their bikes, or try to modify them so much to the point of it not running right.

  • @johnmac4769
    @johnmac4769 2 роки тому +2

    Need to look at the bikes in 10 years and see how they look after 75k miles. I have a 2011 Electraglide with almost 70k miles. Chrome is still perfect and paint is too with the exceptions of a few stone chips. I have seen 10 year old Indians with rusty chrome. I have no experience with the BMW's so I cannot say anything good or bad about them. I have had no mechanical or electrical issues. Longest trip was a trip to Sturgis and around the Eastern US. Total miles was 7500.

    • @northerniltree
      @northerniltree 2 роки тому +1

      10 year old Indians? No such thing as of today, unless you're talking about a '53 or earlier. Polaris debuted the new Thunderstroke Indian in 2014.

  • @TwistySeeker
    @TwistySeeker 2 роки тому +2

    I would like to see the Honda GoldWing DCT vs all of these. The GoldWing is a bagger and the Wing with the trunk is a GoldWing Tour. I have previously owned a 2017 Harley CVO Limited. I now have a 2018 GoldWing Tour DCT with airbag.
    Both Harley and GoldWing are great in their own way.
    Great review.

  • @emilyarelyvictor1
    @emilyarelyvictor1 Рік тому +1

    Maintenance and reliability? Which bike will let you stranded in the middle of nowhere more likely?

  • @dcxplant
    @dcxplant Рік тому

    PCH and Bixby bridge filming beautiful motorcycles never gets old.

  • @ManAndMachine23
    @ManAndMachine23 2 роки тому

    Nothing like the feeling of a Harley,it’s a modern day Classic,Period!

  • @gregennico9277
    @gregennico9277 2 роки тому +1

    I need to ride the harley 114. I've ridden the chieftain and absolutely love it

  • @kaijessen3654
    @kaijessen3654 11 місяців тому

    I have never ridden a Harley but what you said about the suspension would knock it out of the running for me. Indian is a Polaris product so after I got so thoroughly screwed, when Polaris dropped support on my Victory, I would never buy a Polaris product again. That’s not just me because the workers at the motorcycle dealership that I frequent rate Polaris as the lowest in customer support.
    The BMW I have some experience with and I would call it an adventure cruiser. It’s fine on the freeway and passes Semi-trucks with ease, but I don’t like freeways. I took the R-18 through two reservations, including the Navajo Nation, and the roads out there are terrible but you have them all to yourself. The stability of the R-18 was incredible while navigating through all of the deep road ruts and bumpy surfaces. I was airborne at one point and the bike landed smoothly. The bike is kind of analog but so is my 2000 r1100r BMW so I’m used to it and I don’t care. The styling harkens back to the original BMW cruiser so I don’t know how these guys could label its styling as random. The more I rode it, the more I loved the bike and the 2022 Classic gets comments on its looks everywhere I go. I have had four cruisers, one Kawasaki, two Victory and a Yamaha Star Warrior. Only the old 850 Kawasaki and the BMW R-18 didn’t give me backaches from riding them. One last observation. When in town and on the freeway, most bikes that you see are Harley. Get into the outback in the middle of Nevada and northern Arizona you will see mostly BMW motorcycles. BMW bikes all have adventure in mind. KTM has racing high performance in mind and Harley and Indian are for in town posers riding to the bar or for a couch like experience on the interstate. Also the braking capability is of number one consideration in safety and even these two cats agreed on BMW having the most refined brakes.

  • @jimwortham8634
    @jimwortham8634 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for posting I guess here is a simple one if you are Long way from home many many miles from nowhere which one would you want easy answer

  • @His_Scout_Sixty
    @His_Scout_Sixty Рік тому +1

    I think you guys should have compared the Regular Glide with the 107 instead of the Special 114. Just because of the price range. Great Video! Thanks for the info!

  • @charleschilders6388
    @charleschilders6388 2 роки тому +2

    Be aware! At least my dealership here in East Texas is bumping prices above MSRP by $10,000 and still adding exorbitant Dealer Prep and Freight. For example, 2022 Road Glide CVO IS $54,995 plus all that they want. I think I have purchased my last HD. And selection will be limited all year. It's been nice Harley; see you. BTW, the bike in yellow/black is beautiful.

    • @northerniltree
      @northerniltree 2 роки тому +1

      Don't forget that H.D. is now adding on an additional $1,000 for "market adjustment" (supply chain) costs. On top of Doubling freight & prep.

  • @QuietStormX
    @QuietStormX 2 роки тому +4

    R18 B but other versions too. I love the Engine and history of it... Read up on it before the Bike.

  • @stevereilly
    @stevereilly 2 роки тому +3

    Some opening set up there with the view over the ocean. Love that road on a good bike. Peg scraping and clearance key issue with the R18, Indian is better. The R18 is also too anodyne in terms of sound, Harley always nails it with good cans. Saying that the US bikes are made of cheese, the R18 had excellent build quality.

  • @johnsoj9
    @johnsoj9 Рік тому

    Great video! Just wondering if you know if BMW addressed any of the negative points mentioned in the video for 2023?

    • @feloniousmonk3049
      @feloniousmonk3049 Рік тому

      No... other than 2 or 3 software updates from the 2021 First edition versions for Bagger and TC.

  • @guins99
    @guins99 2 роки тому +1

    I have a 21 SGS , I LOVE it.

  • @calmbeneathcastles
    @calmbeneathcastles Місяць тому

    Great comparison!

  • @joeblow5037
    @joeblow5037 2 роки тому +5

    If I'm going bagger, It's gonna be that Gold Wing DCT (the one without the top bag)
    that thing is freakin sweet in flat black and red.

  • @gcragg11
    @gcragg11 2 роки тому +2

    great vid guys. IMO the Indian bikes have come along ways in the last few yrs. But Ill be sticking with Harley. The way I look at it is this. Say the I liked a certain bike model of the Indian and Harley exactly the same amount. (And theyre both good now). I would still certainly go with the Harley. Just because of the better customer support network the Harley brand provides. The amount of dealers and shops custom part manufacturing etc. that support Harley Davison is unparalleled. Is Indian catching up in this regard? yes. But...they syill have a long way to go.

  • @jjrebel2135
    @jjrebel2135 2 роки тому +2

    How about a review of the Honda Rebel 1100 with all the OEM touring accessories (Batwing and bags)?

  • @buckboardhc822
    @buckboardhc822 2 роки тому +1

    Great review! I think what does it for Harley is the incredible feel that you take when riding it; it’s hard to describe but there is a connection between man and machine that brings joy to the ride. The BMW is a great looking bike, plus I like the technology on it.
    I rode it but It was that indescribable feeling that made me fall for the Harley’s .

    • @chonasimpson6487
      @chonasimpson6487 2 роки тому

      I liked Harleys untill i rode a Indian Roadmaster and now their is no going back for me .Its like driving a civic then driving a lincoln the ride is so much better on the Indian and for people over 5 ft 7 is more comfortable.

    • @tdozzy991
      @tdozzy991 Рік тому

      I rode my brothers indian. Im sticking with my SG

    • @tdozzy991
      @tdozzy991 Рік тому

      ​@chona Simpson thats strange , the general consensus is the HD is the better handling bike

  • @Memphis8583
    @Memphis8583 Місяць тому

    I had that exact Harley, I recently traded it in because of the awful suspension and I was getting a lot of engine ticking at low RPM, put 35 thousand K in 3 years. It’s try what they say, Harley’s are amazing, if you upgrade them with aftermarket parts

  • @paul.vanhout57
    @paul.vanhout57 2 роки тому +3

    Interesting review format and would like to see future reviews done similarly.

  • @thelowendrider
    @thelowendrider 2 роки тому +1

    Great review. I have a ‘21 Street Glide Special and if no one else mentioned it, I just wanted to point out when you discussed pricing it may not have been clear that the RDRS does not come standard, so my dealership had to find one that had it for me, whereas I *believe* the traction control and ride modes are standard on the Chieftain. Clearly that wasn’t enough to make me switch sides :)

    • @gambino_21sgs79
      @gambino_21sgs79 2 роки тому +1

      Most dealerships already have it included and don’t even increase the price of the msrp.

    • @thelowendrider
      @thelowendrider 2 роки тому +1

      @@gambino_21sgs79 ah good to know…that may be the case in some locations. My dealership in SoCal had a mix of bikes with/without RDRS and didn’t have a black on black version with it so they had to pull one from another location and it did affect the price. Anyway, just an observation that it’s technically a factory upgrade and not included with the base model price.

  • @SSS-mp8th
    @SSS-mp8th 2 роки тому +5

    No interest in a bagger but for me the BMW wins for mid controls alone. Of course I have a R9T so maybe I'm biased but the R18 is just an impressive bike.

  • @sdefiel3719
    @sdefiel3719 2 роки тому +3

    You are right ... Harley is the best.
    Next review.
    S

    • @chonasimpson6487
      @chonasimpson6487 2 роки тому

      Yes everybody listen to the reviewers Indian sucks Harley rides better and it has a mysterious soul to it and it is a great bike for really tall guys and it is better in everyway smoother and less vibration keep buying them and do not even test drive a Indian listen to reviewers who prefer Harley they are always right. Do not buy Indians.

    • @sdefiel3719
      @sdefiel3719 2 роки тому

      @@chonasimpson6487 I have never heard that in any legitimate reviewer's video. Most say that the ride is similar and some say Indian is better. Quality is usually won by Harley. Yeah the soul thing is a Harley plus and vibration is about equal. I almost bought a Scout when they first came out but there were better bikes out there. I really like the FTR and I wish I had a place for it in my life and in my garage.
      Just relax.
      S

  • @basbeenakker
    @basbeenakker Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the info guys but riding a bike is a really personal thing. But anyway still a nice video 👍🏽

  • @tibortoczauer7985
    @tibortoczauer7985 Рік тому +1

    Here comes the hate mail, but... you guys are wrong about the Harley. Baggers aren't supposed to be just poser bikes; they're supposed to be able to go LONG distances. The Harley fails. That 2 inch travel in the rear is a deal breaker if you're actually going somewhere past the bar. I've ridden across the country several times and on one of those occasions I decided to rent a StreetGlide S. What a beauty... looks badass, nice rumble, decent pickup. But, all the roads I took from California, through AZ and NM to Texas, beat the crap out of my back. These were freeways, highways, two-laners, twisties and everything in between that I've ridden multiple times on multiple bikes and always thought were decent smooth roads. Guess not. The Harley made sure I felt roads that seemed smooth on every other bike I'd ridden, and turned them into a chiropractor's wet dream. Every little (and big) bump or imperfection shot straight through my back. If I didn't have a duffle strapped onto the passenger seat, I would've been done long before the 1,500 miles was up, and that was just in the 3 days going there. My wife flew to Texas to join me and I made the mistake of putting her on the back just to ride from Austin to the Blue Bonnet Cafe in Marble Falls... just under 50 miles. She refused to ride back on the Harley and went back to Austin in a friend's pickup. It really is that bad. In case you're thinking she's a wimp, she's been pillion on 3 and 4 thousand mile trips, and several 500 mile days, without any complaints on my other bikes. I guess if you want to pay 30 grand to run down to the bar or the Rock Store it's all good, but for some real miles... no thank you.

    • @erics9754
      @erics9754 Рік тому

      These guys are young and want to look cool and fit in with all the others . There told Harleys the best and beleive it even if the other bikes are better they will always choose Harley image is important to people who have not lived long enough and are delousional and narcissistic. Once they grow up they will ride other bikes and not care how cool they appear to other fools.

    • @tibortoczauer7985
      @tibortoczauer7985 Рік тому

      @@erics9754 LMAO... further down in the comments there's a guy named "Buckboard" who loves the FEEL of the Harley ;) ;)

    • @jayj.r.1947
      @jayj.r.1947 Рік тому

      Pls do give your opinion on which bike compares well and handles better than the SG. I'm looking at changing my ride and am open to suggestions from experienced riders like yourself. Thx in advance.

    • @tibortoczauer7985
      @tibortoczauer7985 Рік тому +2

      @@jayj.r.1947 don't know what ride you're "changing" from, and don't know how far you're willing to go. If you want to stay with American baggers, I do prefer the Indian Chieftain over the SG. For me it was roomier and more comfortable. The engines and handling were pretty close, but even there I preferred the Chieftain. I haven't gotten to ride the Indian Challenger, which I guess is more RoadGlide in the looks department, but it has a bunch more horsepower. I also can't speak to the BMW R18B yet, which I plan to ride in the next few weeks.
      American baggers are great for the wide open spaces of our country, especially when you may be dealing with side winds. However, if you really want a change with vastly more power and tons better handling, you'll go look at BMW's K1600 series; GT and B are the two models that would most nearly compete with a SG, but will run away from it in terms of speed, acceleration, handling and even comfort if you can live without your feet being forward. Good luck;)

    • @jayj.r.1947
      @jayj.r.1947 Рік тому

      @@tibortoczauer7985 thanks for your detailed response. I'm currently riding a 2012 Fatboy, looking at Street Glide, but am really curious about BMW 1250 GS. I'm 54 so not sure if it'll fit my profile. Going to test ride it for sure.

  • @gjrip
    @gjrip 2 роки тому +1

    Damn, unanimous for the OG speaks volumes. Harley’s still got it. Pan America and Sportster S proving that too. They got caught sleeping for a bit but I think they’ve turned a page and we’re about to see decades of Harley success again. Hope Livewire goes well too.

  • @MrAndrew1953
    @MrAndrew1953 2 роки тому +12

    Given the height differences between you two, that has to be taken into account in terms of the comfort factor. I'm 5'8 so that makes the more compact looking Indian worth spending time considering against the Harley.

    • @CactusJack252
      @CactusJack252 2 роки тому +3

      I'm 5'8 and I had a 2015 Roadmaster for a few years. It's the only bike I had that I regret selling.

    • @edwardmorgan3851
      @edwardmorgan3851 2 роки тому

      I believe the overall dimensions of the Indians length is a couple inches longer than the Harley …
      I know I’m looking at the Springfield Dark Horse and it’s even longer

    • @Jefferson-603
      @Jefferson-603 2 роки тому

      @@edwardmorgan3851 I believe the Springfield has a longer rake hence a longer wheelbase than the chieftain.

    • @dh2392
      @dh2392 2 роки тому

      Harley Road Glides are a favorite of tall riders. They don't leave a tall rider feeling cramped as sport tourers, and compact touring bikes can. The fairing is a reach, there's no lowers encroaching on your knees. At 6'2 with a 34" inseam, I love the spacious feel.

  • @LesterSuarezGonzalez-dz9ns
    @LesterSuarezGonzalez-dz9ns 7 місяців тому

    The three of them are magnificent motorcycles, I have always been a Harley Davidson fan but since The German Company created this Amazing, powerful and impressive monster I became a loyal fan of the Awesome BMW R18 B which no doubt at all has become my favorite Motorcycle, because of it's massive, impressive, imponent and majestic boxer Engine which impress me a lot at first sight with those two massive and impressive Cylinders that outstand spectacularily at both sides of the huge and impressive boxer Engine, besides it's Beauty it's outstanding, great sound, powerful, majestic, very high Quality elememts all around, technology, in fact I m in love with this Spectacular German wild Beast!!!, So no doubt at all my favorite Motorcycle it's The absolutely Amazing BMW R18 B!!!, Very good explanation and video as well, so Thank You guys for sharing!!!, Greetings from Cuba!!!

    • @barrybarnes96
      @barrybarnes96 4 місяці тому

      Those jugs are so big and so exposed I'd be constantly afraid of dropping the bike and ruining them.

  • @SpudsMcHaggis
    @SpudsMcHaggis 2 роки тому +5

    LOL! Another biased shootout! In all of Cycle World reviews they always pick a Harley as the winner. Guess you love HD's dollars more then actually doing an unbiased review.
    I haven't ridden the BMW so I can't comment but, the SGS is not as good as you make out it to be. The Indian is the better all round package over the SGS especially, in the handling and performance side of things.

    • @bvrsqzr3569
      @bvrsqzr3569 2 роки тому

      How is it biased? They called out good and bad on all the bikes. Anyone who rides knows a lot of it comes down to personal preference.

    • @SpudsMcHaggis
      @SpudsMcHaggis 2 роки тому +3

      @@bvrsqzr3569 It is biased because they always choose Harley in all of their reviews.

  • @darcher5888
    @darcher5888 2 роки тому +3

    Indian Challenger outdoes them all in every aspect but fit and finish and that belongs to HD. There’s nothing on the road to compare to my Challenger, period! I guess you could buy a 131 and just be able to keep up after spending another 10k to keep pace with a stock Challenger!

    • @nokoolaid
      @nokoolaid 2 роки тому +1

      Unless one gets a K1600B.

  • @rodneyshuffler5810
    @rodneyshuffler5810 2 місяці тому

    My 22 Road Glide Limited has the same flutter when braking that you guys are talking about, from day one I thought the rotors came from the factory warped or something.

  • @nnnharris
    @nnnharris 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for doing this review! I have a chief and an R18 bagger, and I definitely agree with a lot of the viewpoints. The one thing that stuck out to me had to do with playing music on the BMW. While you do have to use the app to for maps, you can just connect your phone via Bluetooth to listen to music just the same as you would do in a car with Bluetooth.

    • @joeburke197
      @joeburke197 2 роки тому +2

      Just finalized the deal on my R18 transcontinental I’m glad to hear the music isn’t as big of an issue as I’ve been seeing

    • @nnnharris
      @nnnharris 2 роки тому +1

      @@joeburke197 Congrats! Yeah, Bluetooth is no more work than connecting to a car. I did mine in less than a minute right before pulling away from the dealership to ride mine home after purchasing and I listened for hundreds of miles. :)
      I feel like this review also complained about the R18 shifter position. The stock position is definitely low to get a boot you're toe under, but you can adjust it with an Allen key in less than a minute. It seems weird that these seasoned reviewers were mystified by Bluetooth and adjusting a shifter arm 😂
      If you are getting a new one, make sure the dealer updates the firmware on everything. Mine didn't and I had to deal with the TFT glitches until the first service.

  • @robm3357
    @robm3357 2 роки тому +4

    Love to have a Harley but there is still to many issues with the engine.
    Not interested in having the bike at the dealership for stator, twisted crank, or crank runout, or cam bearings or chains in the engine in the primary or on the cam issues.
    And 2” of rear suspension is something that should have been addressed years ago.

    • @k9m42
      @k9m42 2 роки тому

      Everything you mentioned is crap you read about but just doesn’t happen. The short travel is real but not much better on the other two.

    • @feloniousmonk3049
      @feloniousmonk3049 Рік тому

      @@k9m42 The R 18 B is considerably better in the rear suspension. Even better than my Sport Glide with Legend front and rear suspension and Saddlemen Explorer aftermarket back seat. There's plenty of poorly maintained 2 lane canyon and mountain roads here in Southern CA, and the R 18 Bagger suspension with the tall seat option is the best, most progressive and plushest of the bunch. I know, I'm 65, 6' 5" and 275# and my lower back tells me it is so.

  • @byronruhter1480
    @byronruhter1480 2 роки тому

    I have a Harley tour bike and like it very much. My previous bike was a 1200cc boxer from BMW. The 1200 boxer was smooth as silk. I was hoping the big boxer was smooth as silk also but maybe not? Time for a test ride. Thanks for that super evaluation.

  • @jradish
    @jradish 2 роки тому +2

    the challenger is in a class of its own

  • @jasontcolson
    @jasontcolson 2 роки тому

    It's about time that someone did a review on these baggers!

  • @roadglide1142
    @roadglide1142 2 роки тому +2

    I’ve sat on many Indians & their fit & finish isn’t horrible but it’s not even close to HD’s . I haven’t been on a BMW yet so I can’t express my opinion of it yet . My biggest gripe with HD is it’s 2022 and for $30K I still have to spent $200 on Custom Dynamics LED signal bulbs ! Absolutely Ridiculous HD!

    • @chonasimpson6487
      @chonasimpson6487 2 роки тому

      The 2020 and up Indians fit and finish is on par with Harley so i disagree but whatever floats your boat. Best decision i ever made with no regrets was getting rid of my Harley and buying the Indian Roadmaster no regrets and all i do is change the oil and ride not more time waiting for repairs in shop.

  • @vincentvandierendonck9919
    @vincentvandierendonck9919 2 роки тому

    nice vid. Good compairison. I like all three bikes so to see them head to head is great.

  • @tcmits3699
    @tcmits3699 Рік тому

    LORDY, LORDY LOOK WHO'S FORTY! I would love to see a segment on a 40year old motorcycle comparison . Say bikes from 1983. A Gold Wing, Harley, and a Bmw R100 Rt and whoever etc., and see how they held up through the years.

  • @MrXavierwalls
    @MrXavierwalls Рік тому

    I have an Indian, but rented a Street Glide a couple weeks ago, and it was my first time on an HD. At idle I immediately felt it was a giant hot turd, once I started going I felt it handled amazingly for a big heavy bike. Starting to lean towards buying a touring HD although the BMW seems to be a good value in this segment.