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I am intp i need some mental help i don't afford psyc.. i have blury vision mytopia from more than 2years i guess butcoild never afford eye chekup and specs so i cant even get psyc chekup ..is there any cheap or free way to get my mental health managed ...i come from poor indian family
@@thegigadykid1 My teachers used to worry that I wasn't getting the concepts they were trying to teach because I was often withdrawn in class, drawing in my notebook, or sometimes daydreaming, I rarely turned in homework, abhorred group work, disliked most of my classmates, and didn't pay any attention to my appearance. However, I was always attentive peripherally, and would read through the text books rather than do homework. When test time came, I rarely scored less than a 95%, usually to the amazement of my teachers. To this day, 22 years after graduating, I don't think any of them realized how much I internalized my learning. The way I saw it, homework was pointless because it didn't teach me anything I didn't already know, and I couldn't respect a request that couldn't be justified by anything other than them saying, "Do this because I said so." My grades suffered because of this stubborn apathy, and I realize with maturity that it was probably smarter to placate their need for validation by succumbing to their homework request, but at the time it seemed wholly illogical to waste energy on so frivolous a task.
OMAD WarriorChick yeah. i wonder if its because we had underlying issues with the teacher and their inconsistancies, or, if our personalities were in a sort of incubation period where our personalities were hindered by crazy hormones.. what are your thoughts?
OMAD WarriorChick I think the education system limits our independent intuitive thinking manner! we look for our own ways of gaing wisdom and skills not through what other think we should learn ! I reject what people expect me to learn but rather express my curiosity freely not directed or suppressed!
OMAD WarriorChick Absolutely!!!! I'm 35 and I always did horrible academically yet I have about a hundred college textbooks (mostly engineering related) and also theoretical sciences. Not one fiction book though.
I failed to turn in a lot of assignments in high school but did well enough on tests (and took enough AP classes) to gave more than a 4.0 GPA. In college, however, that was not enough to keep me from failing several classes and ending up with a 2.8 GPA despite plenty of peers with 4.0 GPAs and harder majors saying I was smarter than them.
Thanks robert wright for the comment and question. I'm not an INTP - but I've noticed that INTPs can often look lazy to the outside observer. And yet - if something makes sense and gets them excited they are extremely ambitious and will work very hard. I think the world just seems so stupid to many INTPs (i.e. dumb social rules that make no sense) that they would rather avoid than engage. Has that been your experience? Do dumb social rules and lack of thought before action (from others) make you feel like the ambition is knocked out of you?
I don't think my ambitous can never be knocked out of me it's very strong and I wanted say that I just don't see how people can just be satisfied with the normal life the regular 9-5. I don't like being told how to do things I want to put my on creativity and explore ideas on my work
robert wright You sound exactly like me. I don't know why I am getting ISTP in my MBTI tests, is it because I am consciously forcing myself to become more like an ISTP.
Just some thoughts about myself and INTP stereotypes: 1. I've no problem trying new things-as long as nobody else knows. This is partly because I'm afraid of failure, and also because I don't want expectations/judgements put on me. 2. I LOVE helping people . . . design better systems (that make them less frustrated). I love seeing people happy. 3. Several people have said I would make a great teacher, because I'm calm, approachable, and patient. 4. The best nickname for INTP that I've seen is ‘Designer Theorizer’. I'm a designer through and through-information design, programming language design, typeface design, music composition, cooking, & user experience design. 5. I usually stay on topic and to the point, but if the subject is one of my passions (yay!), I can ramble on forever. 6. Decision-making really can be quick and easy-once I feel like I have *all* of the necessary information to make the best choice. Until then, you might as well wait in line at the DMV.
+Perihelion Summer Thanks for the comment. On point #6 - I've seen a pattern that INTPs need the necessary information in order to make a decision. Once they have that - the decision comes afterward.
Perihelion Summer point number one is so critical to me. I'm an INTP and one of my friends once commented to me that they thought I was a butt because I wouldn't try the things that they suggested when they suggested that I try them, but would later come back to those suggested things and try them in my own time and on my own terms, and sometimes find that I liked them. It's just the pressure to perform or react a certain way that really makes me itch. So I usually just tell people, "I hear what you're saying" and move on from there and then try the thing by myself. I just didn't have the words to explain this before. WOW. It makes a huge difference knowing that's not just me.
This is so fascinating for me just right now. I found out about the INTP type half an hour ago and suddenly, I find people writing like they share the same brain with me. That's why I answer to your comment. It feels like I could have written exactly the same words. It's absolutely surreal, I just cannot believe this. Don't know what to say... I feel like I could finally find some answers.
AMEN...I was able to channel my energies, i became a musician and educator now becoming a scholar. I was always self directed in life. always trust your instincts ....we are unique there are only a small % of us.
i dont feel like i struggle with social events, cause i'm just not going :P i cant be bothered and its not that im shy or anything, i just dont want to use my time for no reason. what good would it do me, that i know who likes pancakes and who has the biggest feets :D?
Right, I would sit in it and think about how messed up the process of school was. It was not hard for me just highly inefficient. The execution of school was so terribly time consuming with very little actually being learned. Plus they never cater to learning styles. They don't even let people know they have learning styles. SMH
As an ENFP I hated school too. I recently visited my son's school and was horrified at how much it was like a little kid prison. It impacted me enough to give a talk about the experience at the Inbound Bold Conference in Boston last year: ua-cam.com/video/OK-UnEZZk0Y/v-deo.html
Symbis don't worry my family have been taking me to doctors for years and friends say im a narcists. look at what they say about you and ask yourself; "from how they act and talk, are they just saying this to me because of their own insecurities?" and an INTP would know what to do next
My mom was the same way, I love her, but when she moved away across the country, I became so freed in perspective and experienced more joy and success in Musical Performance than I ever had before
They forgot the creative side of INTPs. An INTP myself, I work in science because I know that I can make it difference in the world through it and it comes easy to me. However, my main focus was always on creative writing which I still adore. INTPs are not as data oriented as many think, we love to play out stories in our mind and ask what if questions. The data focus is kind of a subconscious thing...
I was a scientist for decades but have always been creative. First with writing fiction, which I got bored with, now with art. I no longer have to work and my sole focus has been to be the best artist I can.
Maren Sechting Hello, me. I have a background in microbial ecology research but I’m now a high school science teacher. I’m definitely data driven and analytical, but also have a creative side and love writing and composing music. I’m just learning about the INTP personality type. It’s fascinating, and of course now I’m throwing myself into learning about what makes me tick. I’m finding comfort in knowing that there’s so many others that are just like me.
An INTP here 🙋 who loves linguistics and literature, music, painting, drawing, singing, playing instruments, crafting... And thinks of learning maths, physics, laws and software engineering as soon as I can xD
I am an INTP and I actually dont care about reputation. If anything I hide my talents, skills and achievements. Because when people find out, they keep expecting more from me since I am capable. I dont enjoy performing my abilities, talents or skills for others when commanded or asked unless I feel like it. The less people know, the better.
I'll make a better grade then most in a class in school and my friend will ask " why are you not telling everyone" and I wish I could explain how it feels to have an INTP mind. Thanks for your comment.
We aint fucked up , they are the majority getting their energy from people , talking shit , never thinking a motherfucking thing through. so Fuck all of them you are beautiful and unique, never forget it.
+Chelsea Rodriguez Not at all. I HATE math, always did. And i think i always will. But i am definitely an INTP. In fact i was quite good at math in highschool. I just hated it. Yes, i am a T, but i much prefer to mix this T with my N & P. Thinking BUT not too down to earth, not too rigid, much more free flowing. And by that i mean: yes i love science, but science that speaks to my intuition, science that is not too "ruley" (like math!). Math is much too rigid for me. But i still like science in general. I study biology & ecology. But i feel these sciences, especially ecology, are much more free flowing even if they still have a set of "rules" : you still have to see where the connections are between the organisms, etc. Also those organisms have instincts but also free will. Also, adaptations through evolution are always changing - it is not set in stone like math laws are, even if the basic principle - evolution itself - always stays the same. It IS a system, but a system with so much elements interconnecting that you cannot see with the naked eye, you have to process it with your intuitive mind a lot more to make sense of it. That's why Darwin (a famous INTP) loved this subject so much i think. :) I would be curious to know how many TRUE mathematicians are INTP, i would guess not so many (but maybe i am wrong). Why? Well I would guess INTPs that do math see it much more like a TOOL for answering their deep questions about the world, not as an END. Einstein was a physicist and did a lot of math, but his math helped him answer his questions about the universe. He had already thought about a reasoning with his intuitive mind before trying to prove it with the math. It was not the math preferred doing - he did it in his deep search for truth. He was also very creative and praised imagination more than knowledge (he has a famous quote about it). In contrast i feel that INTJs would be more likely to just do math for the sake of it, like Newton who constructed Calculus. Also, i think it depends on your Enneagram. For example, i am a Type 4. So i guess i am much more artistic than "stereotypical" INTPs. I also write, paint, etc. I think that's why i thought i was an INFP for so long before figuring out i was wrong. Do you know your Enneagram Type? Maybe it is 4 too? Sorry for the long message - typical INTP, i know.
+Chelsea Rodriguez "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." "Imagination is more important than knowledge" All by Albert Einstein :)
+G.S. Kim - That is an incomplete read on the situation. The full ecology goes like this: We're trying to create a win/win of providing solid content about personal development through the lens of typology. The only way to do that effectively is to have a business around it. We let you know we offer premium content if you'd like, but as you see it's not a hard sell and if you don't believe it's for you then that's fine. We have a shit ton of resources for INTPs on our website that aren't behind any pay wall. If we're good at what we do we feel we'll make enough to keep going. But I get the cynicism. -A-
+G.S. Kim - Cool. Thanks for clarifying. But it's still not an complete read, since that isn't our ultimate goal. Our ultimate goal is to guide people (particularly iNtuitives) toward a self-accepting, empowered belief about themselves so they'll feel qualified and motivated to make positive changes in the world. We're just idealistic that way. -A-
yeah i found out i had ADD so my childhood was looking out the window in school thinking about rockets, making cartoons , thinking about atonal soundtracks in movies.
@@HolyDiscoPotato Omg you just took me back in time, not only to 2 months ago (i say this as if im not wearing my camp unus annus shirt) but to 6 years ago when I was in college and wrote this comment LOL.
The more tragic part of being INTP*sometimes*, is when you've literally found ways to logically recondition your mind to avoid people hurting you "emotionally" (which comes up when some INTPs embark on typology theory, but can cause you to "think" you're a different type even though there is always have this odd theoretical hang-nail about it). Because you know if you were to literally speak your mind(what you know is truth), the world would think you're crazy or just hate you. And while it may be true some people would get angry at what you say, it's important to not beat yourself up inside as well just for something that "could" happen. I'm 28, almost 29 and I just learned how to stop lying to myself to avoid that torment. I'm sure almost every real INTP knows what I'm hinting at here, or at least a high percentage may if they've been in specific situations.
Joel Mark Witt You're welcome! Thanks for commenting back by the way. I just found that I'm an INTP, had been thinking I was INFP for about 2 years. It was depression/anxiety, couldn't ignore something with my type as INFP felt very off though(I was seeing a lot of Ti in my posts when I re-read them). I think I was also confused because I'm a visual artist *draftsmen / painter * and typically people in this line of work are NF's. Anyways, I'm very excited to have found my actual type!
I understand exactly what you’re saying. I’m 45, the only way I’ve found to deal with this is near isolation with the exception of my immediate family being my wife and children. Plus only a few close friends.
It wasn't until college that I felt education was a place for me. During primary school, the school convinced my mom to send me to pyschologist because they thought I had ADD, but thankfully, the psychologist told the school that I did not have ADD, but instead, I was intellectually bored, which angered the teacher, likely an SJ. Furthermore, my mother would tell me, almost daily, stop correcting the teacher.
Ryan Campbell I refused to do homework because I used to ace the tests. Having a very high chance of doing well on tests just by having rote knowledge of the material alone made me bored with homework, and I realized I could pass if I just participated in class, helped other, and aced the tests. This was a horrible habit, but, very similar to the problems you had.
Ryan Campbell I was similar with reading back in elementary school. "The hippo floated in the river." And while everyone else was figuring out how to sound the words (this was the 1st grade), I was going through the rest of the book to see if there was anything that was worth reading. It wasn't until the 3rd grade when I finally found a book series that was actually interesting, and it was aimed at teenagers. Not 3rd graders. There was also my obsession with dinosaurs that often left even my teachers in the dust (I would look up everything an elementary school kid could on them). And on one paper, I wrote "I like and know more about dinosaurs than anyone else." The teacher took me aside and said "Well your classmate here also likes dinosaurs, what about him?" I then simply proved I knew more about them than even she did and told her I was simply telling the truth. She left me alone after that.
Wow, that felt uncannily accurate. The anecdote about the 7 year old correcting the teacher is spot-on. That happened to me countless times from preschool through college. I'm realizing that the combination of wanting to battle with authority figures over what's right, but also wanting to manage my reputation, has been a major source of tension in my life. Thanks for the video!
Correcting the teachers always got me in trouble..i almost got kicked out of college because i said to the professor that he was wrong about something ..it happened like 3months ago
OMG. You hit the nail on the head! As an INTP, I do care about my reputation and am perplexed a lot of times how some other types act in ways that hurt their reputation and are seemingly oblivious to it. Being self-aware, competent, original and respectable is very important to me and from an early age I always had a desire to be unconventional.
Reputation has a function. The function is that the better your reputation then the more reputable you are. Meaning you can get ideas across easier with less effort and the important thing is you will be believed. This ties in with what the lady said about for an INTP it can feel like we're against the world because of teachers and people etc. This may have caused a need to build reputation so we can actually be heard. INTP-A here (I only found out yesterday and I feel like I have a place in the world now!)
(society will not accept them but at the same time, in the weird way, celebrates their intelligence) happens to me. My college 'friends' won't invite me to a party or to some events but when we are going to face an exam, my phone is full of their chats. lmao.
I've taken the Myers Briggs test multiple times over the years and I always get the result of INTP and while I identify with a lot of the descriptions given about INTP's, at the same time I feel kind of like an odd INTP. I know INTP's are considered lazy by a lot of people, but very active in their heads. While I love thinking about stuff and possible solutions to them, when the thinking gets too complicated to solve something *immediately*, I just stop thinking about it and think about something else...Like, I'm lazy even when it comes to thinking. Or would this be impatience? This only happens when I'm only moderately interested in what I'm thinking about but that's a lot of things. At the same time, I love making stories in my head and it doesn't matter how complicated it gets. I could think about a story I made up the entire day. I even used to sometimes skip school so I could make up a story in my head since I wouldn't have the time to do that at school. Story making is the only thing I don't lose interest in and it's really frustrating that I lose interest in everything after a while.
***** Sometimes, you just need a good nights sleep, and bam, the answer to that thought that was bugging you is there. Story writting is something I've thought about, and usually I come up with something, then something completely different, then forget what those earlier concepts were, then forget the recent idea. I have the same problem with song lyrics, but not as bad.
Tau Errol Stories stick in my mind like superglue., I never forget them. But stuff I'm not interested in goes in one ear, and out the other. That's why people describe me as a dreamy person lol. I'm always thinking of stories and never paying attention to much else.
I am exactly the same as an INTP lol I can’t fall asleep without dreaming up a story and I love mashing concepts from books I’ve read to create my own worlds. And I could never learn things I don’t have interest in too even if I try I have to find something in it to enjoy or I’ll keep forgetting it so that might seem lazy and impatient.
Don’t worry I think that’s normal for INTPs which I am (though I’ve tested INTJ a few times as well). When I was a kid I’d get my work done really early so I’d daydream in school. As an adult I can daydream for hours about some intricate story I’ve thought up.
Heh. Funny. My mom was called to my school because I kept correcting my teacher on matters relating to biology. When we were driving home, my mom said that I can't do that. I was still confused and explained that I was right and she was wrong.
I corrected my teachers constantly. My INTJ dad and INFP mom, who both have doctorates in humanities, backed me up. Teachers either loved my family or hated us.
I'm currently trying to get a Master degree, and that conversation with your mom is the one I've always had with my mom 😆 during all my academic life. My most recent debate was on Saturday, and mom just said: "You can't correct the teacher in that way, less in public! He has a PhD, he's the career director!" Me: "Mom, he's just an incoherent person that has wrote a crazy book, which is stupidly written! How is it possible that 2 mentions don't appear in the back of the book? In fact, he doesn't even defined the terms, and told me that my explanation of the topic was incomplete. But his book doesn't have that info either! And I just don't care who he is or his titles, it's wrooong!". 😆😆
Scary accurate-Especially the misunderstood, misdiagnosed part. After hearing that… flashback epiphany… If this comment is nonsensical it's because I'm processing a lot right now, this video was incredibly helpful to my understanding of things and myself-a.k.a the highest praise an INTP can give.
As an INTP I've taken the time to learn to understand emotions ARE fact. This has helped me greatly understand reflect on things differently in conversations. I try to think "emotions are real. We all feel them. They come from somewhere, and have importance as they are real things we experience." Experience inherently has value because we don't learn anything without memory/experience. I can also understand that there IS logic to emotion, because we all experience it rather similarly. If emotions didn't make sense, we would not have such a collective understanding on how to expect people how to feel after certain events. To completely ignore that emotional side of an argument is to ignore potential data. I think learning this for myself has definitely helped me connect, understand and grow as an INTP.
I believe that naturally INTP love to explore and do new things and that INTP love to be who he really is but when the young INTP get bullied, yelled at and when ever their parents tell them that's what they are doing is not normal or its weird, INTP build a wall around them selfs. They still want to do all that stuff what ever it is, but they will do it when they are alone,when there is no one to judge. INTP doesn't care about what other people think but they want to avoid weird situations and questions. INTP must break that barrier and surround with people who will enjoy their weirdness else they will be alone for the rest of the life. Now, INTP is obviously an introvert, but it's still a human and it's looking for understanding and connections. Stereotype is that they are not emotional, but believe me, they are. Maybe more emotional than many feeling types, yet they supress those emotions, again, to avoid weird questions and reactions. And then after some time of supressing emotions, they will explode. They may seem happy, but they are not. Now what i think by this is that in general, truly happy and truly sad INTP will probably look the same. Because it's hard to tell a difference, if you have INTP friend, if you sense that something is wrong, even if they say everything is ok, tell them just as a reminder that you are always there for them. Maybe they won't open up, but you will definitely improve their mood by just saying that. Take care of your INTP's, they are nice people and loyal, so better never betray them.
I hide my emotions most of the time, but if someone realize there is something wrong even when I act "ok" and actully tries talking to me I will be crying or something XD When people is negative toward myself I don't really care (I only care if that person that don't like me starts rumours and other people start judginig me without actully knowing me, there I care). But if someone is actully nice and comprehensive I got too emotional, and I hate that xdxd Like some describes 5s in the eneagram (I'm 5w4) "The one who is scare of feeling"
Wow. This explained me perfectly. I've always wondered if there was something wrong with me -- maybe a slight case of Asperger's. I tend to fumble and present myself awkwardly in social situations. But I have no problem reading between the lines or understanding social cues. I hate offending people and I actually prefer having changes in my routine. So the shoe doesn't quite fit. My brain just can't think of anything to talk about other than my own interests which would only bore/confuse the other person. From a young age I was always "the smart one". I vaguely remember in 2nd grade, getting an A on a quiz that I never studied for (I was new) while the other students didn't do so well. The teacher was very shocked -- maybe because I'm black? Who knows. But moments like that have followed me throughout my life. I've had professors who were convinced that I plagiarized an assignment only to find out for themselves that my work was 100% original. Add being a female to that and people either think I'm a lesbian or that I'm just weird. It's easier to just avoid people altogether.
darkpearl88 Thanks for the feedback. Do you think other INTPs deal with "what to say" in social situations? BTW - I think skipping small talk and talking about more interesting stuff is something to applaud. I love when I run into people that do this.
I know ur prob not active anymore but if u see this just know im a mixed female INTP and that part ab being mistaken for a lesbian was so real. I dont get why people always assume different = wrong. Luckily growing up a member of very obscure people has made me more acceptong and supportive of smaller groups now, and not afraid of standing out
Before doing your test I told my friend how I really hated when teachers or mother (most likely ESFJ s) would say things like do it this way because I said so, or because I'm the teacher, even though I had a better way which didn't involve mindless repetition. Guess I always have despised controlling, rules orientated types. I was also discussing my disastrous history of relationships, or lack thereof, mentioning to him- I think I need to get out there more... Your accuracy/ exploration profile really hit the nail on the head, thank you
Im still being told that... "whats wrong with you?, why are you sad? GO OUT and get happy"... sigh* and yes my parents sent me to see psychiatrists lelelelelel
That advice (while maybe we'll intended) seems incomplete. And you may find that "getting out there" will help you grow your Extraverted part of your personality. It's more about HOW you do it.
Hi. I'm an INTP, and I have to agree with some of the criticisms I've seen posted here. 1. Ne is abstracting, not observant, and does NOT prioritize facts. While Ti is focused on the truth, this truth is based on an abstraction of reality that can sometimes actually be irrelevant to real-world application. That's why in an argument between INTP and INTJ (Ti vs Te), you get two people who think they are stating the truth through an abstract line of reasoning but still end up with completely different conclusions. 2. INTPs also run the risk of insulating their natural critical capability to the point where they don't care about its practical use - this is because Ti cares about internal logical consistency, not execution. So, while it's true that an immature INTP will talk back to the teacher in class, they are also less likely than INTJs to want to prove their knowledge, or make any use of it. 3. Some INTPs probably do have Asperger's or ADD. Saying that an INTP's 'natural differentness' could be mistaken for those disorders is kind of ignorant in a few ways. First, I think that you could only make this statement while operating on stereotypes. You could make the argument that an autistic person's extreme sensitivity to stimulation makes them a Sensor, or their need for order and settledness makes them a Judger. These are stereotypes. Further, for INTPs who DO have a mental disorder, it diminishes their struggle to have their neuroatypicality recognized. 4. I appreciate the flattery, but INTPs aren't geniuses, nor do they have a monopoly on the genius category. They, like any type, have the potential to be a genius, and that genius will probably be applied abstractly and logically, but I don't think it's appropriate to claim they are special. Just look at the celebrities on CelebrityTypes - Sensors make great scientists for their observational skill, and Feelers have made a great many innovations in an effort to alleviate suffering. Thanks for your video anyway; it's always nice to see yourself being celebrated even if it's on inaccurate grounds.
+Leslie Mei Thanks for the comment. I appreciate that you left it on a positive note though you took exception to some of the things said. Looking through your list I think we do disagree on a couple of points, but most of it could be boiled down to misunderstanding what we meant and wanting a more complete thought than a 10 minute video could provide. In rejoinder I'll address each of your points as you have. 1. We at no time stated that Ne prioritizes. That would be a job for the judging process, Ti. We call Ne "Exploration," and we encouraged INTPs to do as much Ne as possible (mentioning travel, new hobbies, etc). That said, I would argue that Ne both abstracts and observes, and host of other things. Our perceiving process informs what we choose to observe, which is why it's 'observational', though that is far from complete. It's on fire when engaged with the environment recognizing and culling advanced patterns. And so Ne is done best when it's active (not in passive merely observational mode). But it - like all the perceiving processes - still dictates where the attention is going and on what. 2. I agree. But it's far more likely for an INTP to argue with a teacher in class than an INTJ. It's not that the INTP needs to prove their intelligence (though that can happen), it's that a piece of inaccurate data was dispensed as truth and that is maddening. On the flip side, an INTJ using Te is going to on some level appreciate (or even merely tolerate) hierarchy. So if an INTJ has attempted to add correct data to the conversation and is rebuffed they're far more likely to simply believe the teacher is an idiot and leave it at that. An INTP has no such qualms, since Ti is far more naturally egalitarian. My data if correct should be held in equal standing as your data, and so the argument beings. While it's not a universal experience to INTPs, it's definitely not an anomalous one. 3. I think you profoundly misunderstood what we were attempting to say here. We in no way intended to marginalize anyone - INTP or not - dealing with a behavioral or mental disorder. There are unlimited combinations of type and disorders, and they're going to cause the type to show up a little differently. That said, after years of profiling and coaching INTPs I've heard a similar song sung over and over - I was medicated for what turned out to be a misdiagnosis. I've personally witnessed Fe dom mothers medicating what appeared to be typically behaved INTPs as autistic for what simply seemed to be Fe inferior. Again, it's not universal. But it isn't anomalous, as a quick scan through the comments section of this video can attest. Since none of this is hard science and culling data is difficult at best, trends become very important. Or, at least, intriguing. We felt it was important to acknowledge the trend that has caused others pain and is part of the 'being misunderstood' story. 4. Actually, the reason I mentioned that is I read a stat a while back that indicated INTPs statistically test higher on IQs than any other type. There was another commenter who asserted INTJs do, but that wasn't the data I read. We made sure to be VERY clear in the video that INTPs are "statically smarter in the way that society has been programmed to understand intelligence - analytical." We're pretty big fans of Gardner's Multiple Intelligence theory and have done full podcasts on the subject. Analytical intelligence is just one breed, but it's the breed we've all been told is super-dooper important and that colors how other people interact with INTPs. It's not about it being 'true', it's about whether or not we perceive it as true and socially respond in kind. I'd agree that there are INTPs that aren't geniuses in the traditional IQ sense. Were Napoleon Dynamite to be a real person I'd use him as an example of what that can look like. But in a 10 minute video it's tough to make sure we've covered every possibility and we go for high leverage - what is the usual INTP experience, and how are they going to feel most understood? Genius isn't the province of any single type. When we're celebrating one type we're not by definition saying all the other types are stupid sad sacks and what the hell is wrong with all those troglodytes. We're focused on one type at a time in these videos. It's not meant to be passive commentary on everyone else. Also - I think you're dead wrong that INTPs aren't special. They are very important part of the social ecosystem, but they're not always treated well so they don't always show up as their best selves. Lastly - if Celebrity Types people are reading this my sincere apologies. It's not the best site for understanding type if you go strictly by their type guesses. When they get a type right it seems almost on accident. It's a tough gig, profiling celebrities. You can't know for a certainty unless you actually profile them yourselves. Thanks again for your comment. If you'd like a far more complete look at the type we recorded a one hour podcast on INTPs, as well as a long form article. They can be found here: Podcast: www.personalityhacker.com/podcast-episode-0085-intp-personality-type-advice/ Article: www.personalityhacker.com/intp-personality-type/ -A-
Is anyone else like this? As an INTP, I always feel like my emotions are stemmed from the social norms, and that I've learned to have certain reactions… For example, when someone is yelling at me, I learned that I should feel 'anger and embarrasement', or when someone helped me, or if I'm at a gathering, I am supposed to feel happy, thankful, etc…… and I try to… but deep down, I actually don't feel anything at all…
***** Thanks. I'm not embarrassed at all. This could be a learning experience for me with your feedback. Why should I be embarrassed? Maybe I'm missing something.
***** Hey thanks for the feedback. But now I'm confused on how the pejorative label of "pathetic" is a logical answer. Sounds like your feelings about this are clouding your logic. Can you break down the logic for me instead of getting emotional?
Joel Mark Witt "Pathetic" means by social codes that you're demeaning yourself by a certain action or attitude. Since the only statement Iskdjf pulls on his last comment (aside from noting you +1'ing your own comments) is calling you pathetic, the only logical issue we have to deal with is the fact whether you're pathetic or not, and following the logic with my first statement, you have demeaned yourself in Iskdjf's eyes, meaning that his/her statements were only rational. If you're talking about Iskdjf getting embarrassed, the stimuli watching your actions activating his/her feelings towards embarrassment logically implies that he's embarrassed. There's logic in feelings, too, and stating them out loud makes sense, assuming it's all true. I hope I cleared things up :)
as an INTP in my childhood, my mother would often send me to a therapist or psychiatrist assuming i was a sociopath. Now at the age of 20 I have discovered that i have nothing wrong with me i am a very stereotypical INTP.
Wow that bit about reputation really hit home. I sometimes wonder whether I am narcissistic but then again if I really was, would I question it lol. Ever since I found out about personality types I feel lighter, almost as if a weight is lifted off my shoulders. I can simply be who I am.
Im an Intp and I remember when I was a child watching jaws with my family, there was a long shot of a boat lingering in the water after it had been attacked by the shark in a previous scene, both my parents said- wow he killed them all, but I knew the intention of the director was to build suspense and I said- no there is someone still alive, they both shouted- shut up you dont know what you are talking about, and sure enough. They had to admit they were wrong.
The part about autism is so true. I've been told that I might be slightly autistic. I saw a therapist as well who hinted at it slightly. I even took a test that concluded I was slightly autistic. But I do not believe for one second I am on the autism spectrum. I hate these kinds of bullshit labels. I'm INTP. I'm also gay. My life is so difficult. Very hard to find my place in American society. I view most people as stupid and irrational and society drives me nuts. Also when I was a kid my mom was always trying to get me on medication to "fix" me. This video was very accurate.
Autism and lack of a strong fe are different. Your not autistic I agree with you. We are just mid understood and were the only ones that have the correct minds to explain ourselves so when people try to explain us they fail and misinterpret us even more.
This is completely a hundred percent accurate. -.- As an INTP girl the shut downs and the the strange stares were ridiculous growing up. In a response I started completely deducing what people were doing and thinking in order to make this character to avoid such confrontations. It is much easier to pretend to be a completely different type then to be an INTP in public. Or it is for me anyways. haha
Joel Mark Witt The easiest one I've found is acting like the cliche lovable idiot? Everyone enjoys/loves to think they are smarter then at least some one. Mostly I just pick up on the way people talk and act and deduce/assume what they are looking for and act accordingly. I can honestly say I do it even with my own family. Its really discouraging having someone look at you with dead stare that just says 'stupid child'. Its much easier and the best solution I've come up with so far in life. haha.
danniefiction I have found myself doing almost the exact same thing in my life... allowing others to think I'm kind of dumb so that I can get on with my day. But I would always know in my head that THEY were the "idiot." I felt superior. Some of the hardest personal growth I've ever done is to stop this and allow myself to be the smartest person in the room. I am still working on getting rid of my pretension that was masquerading as humility and replacing it with authentic and real knowledge and intelligence. Not in an ass hole way of lording it - but in an honest representation of my skills, knowledge and communication. It hasn't been easy and I'm still working on this. For example, I almost just replied to your comment just now and said something like "good points - thanks for sharing." And then I thought... "no I actually have something to say here Joel - don't just tell people what you think they may want to hear. " And I'm sharing my experience with you about my journey of growth because it is authentic for me. Not that this will be your path. You may not relate to how I'm growing personally. It's just that I want to show up being me in my full and honest brilliance AND stupidity. I don't want to misrepresent myself anymore. I find personal power lies there for me. And people are responding much better than I had ever expected.
Joel Mark Witt I can definitely understand this. I can say I really admire you for this. That is really a feat. I used to be like that until I realized what I was doing. I was being like all of the people who assumed I am just a stupid child. That made me sick to my stomach. It was really a habit I strived to break (and did break). I can really say I look at everyone and think I can learn something from them. I don't by any means think I am the smartest one in the room. There is a saying that if you the smartest one in the room you need to find a different room. I mean I think it really just sucks having to pretend all the time. For me it truly does. I've just had days where I don't have the energy to do it. On those days the reactions usually vary from 'Are you sick? Whats wrong' to 'I think you need to cheer up. Your depressing the whole grocery store'. I could have been completely happy. Just really the entirity of the reason why I put on this charada and misrepresent myself is because as a kid it was really hard for me. I had a lot of problems, to put it kindly. To me unless I know your an open minded and accepting person I'm really not going to take the chance to show you who I really am. I know that is so not the way to do things. Its really bad and negative and all other terms for unhealthy communicating. I mean I have my two best friends who completely accept me for all my nerdness, my crazy quirks, weird logical patterns, coming up with off the wall answers to theories and everything else that makes my INTP me. Whew words done. Do you mind if I inquire as to which of the 16 types you are? :)
It's a really interesting contradiction, to have the ability to be valued because of a societal bias- IQ is the most valuable intelligence - that we don't necessarily agree with, but still desiring to be valued by society. I feel like it's a tendency to want to accept that bias, because in theory it's what we want, but it is ultimately shallow and hollow, because it doesn't stand up to honest scrutiny. I think this is a big area that can define the level of maturity for an INTP; whether they are able to value themselves when they fail. And, I think this is part of the fear that can keep them in their defensive position. Ne/Exploration is risky and uncertain. If they have not learned to value themselves beyond their visible behavior, then every possible mistake is a danger to their basic needs.
I've always held value for myself because, to me, knowledge was never about myself. I love self reflection because I learn knew things about myself and can improve. I always want to validate myself because of the reputation thing. Whenever I am proved wrong, I disregard my information as inaccurate or reevaluate it. I bounce back and use the new info as a step to better results, not a way to critique myself when I had nothing to do with the knowledge in the first place. I don't understand the depression that some INTPs feel and I think I'm an eternal optimist. Even when I harshly criticize myself, I know it's to do better in the future... I really value that truth thing and want to use my talents to help the world... (you know, if I can ever really share this rambling in real life as opposed to just on the net *shrugs*)
popprincess3601 What you're saying, then, is that your knowledge is not the reason for your self-esteem. The fact that it's not the reason, in itself, is not a reason to value yourself, though. I think it's natural to feel self-worth, but for people who, perhaps, that has been taken away from, it's difficult to find a logic-based reason to create a sense of value, again. It seems to me that an objective value system is one measuring usefulness. If someone does not feel subjective value (Fi) for themselves or reach a level of net usefulness, they can be at a real loss as to how to solve this problem. The best thing I've come up with is simply accepting that these kinds of feelings of worth are a need. That I should try to build feelings of self-love and value (Fi), regardless of how unfounded they may be, so that I can continue to work at becoming objectively valuable or useful.
Jenna DeNardo I've never thought of it that way, actually. Really insightful and thanks for the reply :) Gosh, now I feel the need to self reflect again though >.
Jenna DeNardo self esteem is something I've recently built up a bit but I find it really strange because I feel like it's just a disguised vanity which I don't really care for. I never realized that their could be a difference in value and esteem... I don't think a concept of value has ever occured to me... maybe what I have to offer I guess but me as a person, can I find that valuable? This is completely strange to me and I'm not sure I get what I'm trying to figure out. In my head, I see esteem and value warring against each other with a gigantic sized question mark in between. I'm so confused and I feel like I'm going to be sitting here a while reading your comment. If you have more to contribute, I honestly wouldn't mind it... (gosh... it's like you had told me that what I had believed to be a dog all my life was really a dog...) sorry for my rambling...
Hey guys, As an INTP, I find that much of what you said resonates. Just one bit I found troubling. The secret personality trait of "reputation." I have struggled with the question of how I would wish for others to regard me and I certainly would not use the term "reputation" to describe it. What I think I and I reckon many other INTPs would wish for is to be valued, which goes back to earlier points you made in the video. I wish to be valued for the contribution(s) I could make to society. Having a reputation is way too deeply inscribed in social acceptance narratives for it to be meaningful to me in any significant way.
To me it's like; the more you learn, the more you learn you don't know shit! Or...... Am I just regurgitating Dunning and Kruger (social science) or Socrates (philosophy). God dammit, now I have to go research that..... The painful life of the INTP haha!
INTP struggles: Hate authority, hate public schooling, diagnosed with ADHD and drugged up since first grade, no one understands you, you feel like an alien but somehow easily make people laugh and they think you’re intelligent but somehow dismissive of it at the same time, starved for affection and a feeling of genuine connection with at least one other human being, no sense of community, why do I have to exist, but why oh why do I have to be aware of my own existence, can I switch off these pesky emotions and stupid biological needs for affection.
I took the test and I'm an "accuracy/exploration intp type" and all of what you said was extremely accurate, especially the part were everyone thinks I'm really weird. I tend to do really weird things to see other people's reactions, I've been exercising my inferior Fe function and I've been getting some weird looks lately. It's so fun confusing people in high school, and teachers while teaching them in their own subject. Freshman year I basically established the image of the nice quiet loner, this year I may mix it up and mess with people with my unpredictable acts of weirdness. The best part about it is that I look like the most conventional, boring, normal piece of shit at school, until I open my mouth and use my hands to unleash chaos with my confusing mind. Huehuehue... Also please kill me, I feel like I'm turning into a cancer cell
A colleague of mine frankly told me that I have great ideas and hidden potentials-- which is much more advanced than what they have. But! Thing is, I don't do something about it. I lack the commitment of action. She suggested that I need something to unleash all that potentials. I kind of agreed to her but then nah! I'm still too lazy about everything.
I can really relate to the misunderstood part, I think I even misunderstood myself. When I got the results from Myers-Briggs test it was freaky at how accurate it was and it explained a lot about myself.
This makes so much sense to me... I did your personality test that led me here, I got INTP... I deal with constant frustration of not being able to relate to people, others may find me short tempered or blunt but really I am just analysing information... I am a musician, I have high ambitions, I enjoy song writing and exploring the depths of my thoughts, I am an over analyser, I write blogs, I enjoy writing and really want to inspire world change one day... I do feel misunderstood, and I laughed out loud when you said INTP's care about 'reputation' because... I tend to not care what people think about me, whatever they think will never stop me from being true to myself, yet at the same time I care very much about how they regard me, when you said 'they like to be respected for what they do' it really hit the nail on the head... I do feel I have something to give... Thankyou so much, this is incredible ☺
I scored highly as an INTP Logician. But, I'm glad to say, growing up, I did force myself to explores the world by putting myself in situations I knew to be socially Challenging and would stretch me mind. I would make it impossible for me to get out of and i would have to think my way though.
As you said, being an INTP, we will defend our ideas until we come out victorious. I didn't believe it at first because personally when situations do arise where I'm put into a position where I question something or someone I'm usually too lazy to engage or think they are not intellectual enough to carry through a conversation with. Until I remembered: my friends test my basic logic the most. I do view myself as the most smart and logical but when my intellect is being threatened I tend to get very aggressive and angry. I've even lost friends because of this, but I seem to not care since every time I came out with the correct answer.
Thanks Natalie for the comment. It sounds like your friends may be calling into question your competency. Of course that would bring up a lot of frustration and anger from you. As an INTP, being competent is very important.
I think that is fair that we are interested in a good reputation. After all according to the theory Fe function is what we aspire to in mid/later life. However, I would add that I find in terms of a reputation likely other INTP's would agree that we are particularly selective of the community which casts that reputation. I suppose what I mean is we tend to question both praise and ridicule (as we question everything else). Not perhaps the best social tool, but as a self proclaimed truth teller nothing is more annoying than a yes man. What would make me much happier is scrutiny of a new idea, then praise when it is supported by sound logic. That kind of praise is what I'm wired for and expecting for whatever reason to receive.
Being an INTP, I find it extremely uplifting that there people like you who are so fascinated in our specific personality type and how you think of us as amazing, even when we ourselves find it difficult to appreciate ourselves. Thanks so much!
Feel rejected by society? No. I've just always felt misunderstood for my entire life. But I realized that we just misunderstand each other, always, everyday. It's not a big problem thou. I'm really grateful for you enthusiastic appreciation for my - our - personality type. I like being me. I just have to emprove a little more. MBTI helped me appreciate every single person. Even though I don't like to stay in the middle of a big crowd - even if I'm in a group of more than 2 or 3 people I begin to feel confused and annoyed - I like people and humanity in general.
MrZaw97 Ok, actually if I had to take this test a few years ago, probably my type would be an INFP. But now I'm quite grown up and I think my third function is most of the time a T. I really see myself as a thinker and not a feeler, and so do people around me. I can be very emotional sometimes, but this do happen only with a very few people - my boyfriend, not even with my closest friends. But yeah, it's quite right to say that I have a sort of strife between my F and my T.
TerryPaws! A lot of people confuse feeling with emotional and thinking with logical. Feeling or thinking is only based on decision making. Thinking would be, if a=b and b=c therefor a=c. However, feeling would be if a=good and b=just ok then we should do a. If you still think you're a thinker, then maybe your dominant trait might be an irrational function such as ENFP or INFJ, I would assume the latter, but that's just me.
I'm an INTP and my entire life I've been convinced I'm broken, insensitive, and out of place. Can't tell you guys how impact it is to hear this, thank you.
Wow. When you talked about being labelled as autistic or ADD and feeling out of place hit the nail on the head. Wow. I have always felt alien. Always had trouble forming bonds with people.
I think an underlying problem may be in that Aspergers is being seen as 'wrong' or 'broken' instead of a difference in a normal thinking continuum. It may be that INTP and being on the spectrum is often comorbid or synonymous.
I'm a cross between INFP and INTP. It's a very odd experience to say the least but a lot of what they said resonates with me. At times I wondered if I had some sort of mental disability and no one told me and I was unable to recognize it on my own, I just knew I felt vastly different from others and, yes, misunderstood. I was also diagnosed with ADD when I was young but after I stopped taking medication my performance in school really improved and I felt as though my label was inhibiting me to do well as well as the medication. It's strange but a LOT of what was said just within the first two minutes is incredibly relatable. Of course at the same time I feel like these videos are made to be relatable to a lot of people. Can't completely explain it but I do feel as though I'm being advertised to, like they're just trying to make me feel good so I'll g and do what they want. It feels very, mmmmmm, idk, fake, like they're trying to butter me up for lack of better words.
I'm an INTP and I have every issue that you listed. I'm an extreme history buff and I'm extremely good with science and I have corrected the teacher multiple times, the other students would laugh at me and my teachers would not approve. I would not call myself a wiz, but I flew a plane before I drove a car, and I knew everything in my freshman history before middle school.
Joel Mark Witt During a doctors appointment for my life threatening allergy to penuts we started talking about what I wanted to do in my future and I brought up something about how I wanted to work in transportation when I grew up and then it went on to be a conversation about transportation from air while I was waiting for something from a nurse. ( its been so long I forget ) and the doctor said something about the airport in my city having a flight training program. I joined that and my flight instructor was a former Vietnam war huey pilot. My whole pilot thing was just because I went off topic talking to a doctor. It's amazing that these small things can make such huge impacts on lives.
what a great summary. it's important you hit on the need or ability to take that next step to grow and develop as an INTP, because if we don't realize what we can bring and develop it, then life's tough. those INTPs that get too heavy on the laziness need to break out of that
Once I looked into what my personality is and looked up stuff about it, I said "Holy sh*t, I'm not crazy. People have always said I'm crazy or am weird- but I'm not. This is an actual thing!". All this time, people, friends, and family have always looked at me like I'm wrong in the head, and I forced that into my brain as a fact. This made me depressed for so long, but nothing's wrong with me. There are people who think the same way I do! Thanks, this just saved me a load of time in my life.
I just starting paying attention to matters outside my own destructive mental vortex for about a month now so I may be behind the times. I sense a needed shift in medical psychology and psychology at whole.
I think that saying INTPs are completely detached from the emotional aspects of data collecting is half-true. I think if something comes to destroy out preconceived understanding, we can get really defensive. But when we have enough time to digest that new info, we are a lot more understanding of it.
I loved this video. As an INFP I watched this video in order to understand my INTP friend more than I already do. And I've known her since the fourth grade. I just want to know how she works, and a lot of this matched up with her sort of "patterns"
Thank you sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!!!! this will be the push I needed to actually go out and explore.. I've been holed up due to the fear of perpetual rejection that I haven't even seen my own skills and positive traits myself. Taking risks is necessary to truly make the most out of the genius that intps seem to be gifted with.
Thanks Chris Schiebelbein for the feedback. It's always a tricky balance being accessible to non-INTP types that might watch and also remain hard core accurate for the INTPs themselves.
Joel Mark Witt absolutely a tricky balance, especially as we combat our own preferences for giving explanation (try not giving a highly complex paragraph if information as INTP) :) Also not much a respect more than someone who is willing to give a response ^.^ - Thanks
Thank you for this video.I cried happy tears yesterday when I first saw this video especially because she said 'you guys are amazing'and all that and its nice to know that even though I may not be at the point where I am stronger socially that there are non intp people who are definite supporter types for our own growth and development so Ijust wanna say-YOU all are amazing for your compassion and empowering emotional belief in us.God bless you two!
Maybe that has to do with the fact that we do care about how we are seen by others. We don't like the concept of trying to look good, but we feel we should do it anyway. At least to some degree.
how does a personality type affect looks? except taking care of yourself etc that can effect it somewhat. its like saying people with red as favourite color are better looking than average... quite ridiculous
... your thinking of it the wrong way round, not that i agree with the idea. But looks could affect personality because you will interact with the world differently based on the way you look. Someone who dismisses ideas as ridiculous because they cant see any the nuances doesn't seem very intp to me... Everything affects everything the world is just too complex to see how, still worth trying to understand it.
I am an INTP, and have relatively higher IQ (135), surrounded by rigid sensors my entire life, profoundly misunderstood and neglected to be even equally valued as person. I am totally cool with it for a while now, took me long, but never late. though listening to this, for a brief moment that I let myself feel on sensitive subjects, did brought a couple tears to my eyes... I think I'm telling it on behalf of all who are on the path to growth, you are remarkable, and valuable people. may god bless you with a wonderful life, as for your wonderful dedication for spreading beauty. ❤💞 Wanted to thank the two of you (and the total crew behind the scenes) for bringing eyesight , as for people are blind without knowledge. on the side note, if you could shed some light on ADD, and the connection to INTP, I would greatly appreciate it. I believe I have ADD, but there is doubt for its certainty with INTP's. how can a person be decisive about it. big fan 😊
Ironically, I'm the ONLY one in a pack of 6 siblings that have not seen a psychiatrist. Mainly because I did not ever want to. None else in my family is an INTP, that's for certain.Edit; + Hating the concept of money and how that works, I'm not sure I'm willing to pay for that information on your website without knowing it actually will help. I need data. Proof. Perhaps a fellow INTP who can attest to the legitimacy of this information and how 'helpful' it is.
***** Fair enough. Why not just read a few articles and hang around? No pressure to invest any money or such. Here's an article that might make sense: www.personalityhacker.com/intp-vs-intj We will also be producing a full podcast on INTPs in the near future. Stay tuned.
***** I agree about not wanting to pay for access to information without already having a more concrete idea of its inherent value. In my case, I recently turned 30, now have a mortgage and have finally had to replace the car that I have been driving for the last ten years, and while I think there might be some value in what these guys are doing that I could specifically apply to my current job situation... They are asking for $67 for an unspecified amount of data? The people who can afford that are generally going to be people who either go broke buying every self-help book that they see or people who have so much money that they don't know what to do with it all anyway. That being said, this video introduction was pretty good in and of itself. I, for one, appreciate it a lot because I can share it with my INFJ sister so that she can use this as another tool for mediation between INTP me and my INFP mother. :D
Joel Mark Witt I read an article stating that Intjs where less common then intps so i assumed that meant they where smarter and after listening to this video i now know that intps have the highest iq out of all the types (Thank god i hate being common) PS: I'm an intp
Golden Frieza The average INTP might, but there's both stupid and smart INTPs as well. But yeah, be proud of your INTP-ness, but don't box yourself in :p Capable of much more than what the INTP descriptions provides.
The worst feeling is that I feel like I have some type of gift, some type of potential to make an impact and change everything if I wanted to. But I don't care. I seriously don't care for reality. I'm always in my mind; trapped and thinking about everything and anything that doesn't have to do with reality. Why? Why can't I push pass myself and think about my future? I literally can't become fixated with reality. But I learn everything so quick, I learn so much, I can become so much if I just gave a damn about anything AT ALL. BUT I CAN'T.
I have to disagree with various points on this. 1. Statistically, INTJs have the highest iq -with 37% chance of being among the 2% of the most brilliant people in the world, whereas INTPs have 20% chance. 2. It is ridiculous to generalize an MBTI type with personality disorders; for instance, it could be said that people suffering from asperges syndrome are likely to be istx, as they are extremely logical and they cannot understand reasoning. However, any introvert could suffer from autism, not necessarily an intp. 3. INTPs do not at all clean/organize their thoughts and ideas, instead, they flow in an unstructured manner. They do not only base off on facts/data, but they tend to analyze them thoroughly and implement their own theories. 4. They do not see the world as it is -that would make them observant rather than intuitive. It is quite the opposite; they are extremely abstract thinkers. 5. Most of them do not care about reputation to such an extent, perhaps recognition and respect is somewhat important to them, depending on the person and the situation, but it is not absolutely vital, as of a craving. ~An INTx who knows an INTP really well
Riya Bisht Thanks for the comment. I'm curious about point #3 in particular. How are you arriving at the conclusion that INTPs do not organize their thoughts and ideas?
I know various INTPs and it has made me realize that they prefer to express their ideas in a mind map (connect everything) sort of way, whereas INTJs or ISTJs, for example, present their ideas in some sort of scheme (point by point, sustenting each one) Joel Mark Witt
Thanks for the reply. I guess I would still see that as organized information in a non-linear fashion. It's my perspective that data can be organized linearly and non-linearly. Perhaps, you mean to say that INTPs have less need for sequencing and can work with random access points??
I dislike the mention of IQ right in the beginning. This needlessly flatters the ego, is irrelevant to the matter of personality, and there's actually not a smarter MBTI type than another as there are various types of intelligence and smartness.
I don't care about reputation when is seen from a social perspective, like you have to fit in a box or a prototipe... It's more like "I want the world recognizing and acknowledging what I DO or SAY, I want them to see that as useful as possible and apply it to their lifes". I want to be intellectualy acknowledged. Otherwise, I really don't care how people see my clothes, my hair, my acting or my personality; don't care if they think I'm shy or socially awkward, or that I have a killing way to look at you 😆. It doesn't matter to me if I don't fit stereotypes.
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION. I tested as INTP (servile times, i like being sure) but I'm terrible at mathematics, science or writing my academic thoughts on paper (non creative) i am fairly dyslexic, so i'ld like to believe that it's the reason for my lack of "academic" strength. But what i would like to know is, if an INTP can have the same thinking processes but place it in a more artistic creative mind set instead of a scientific or academic one? if not then my self evaluation skills are sufficiently lower then i believed.
Thanks Bianca Winston for the question. One of the key things we emphasize at Personality Hacker is that any type is capable of being creative. We don't believe type (by definition) limits anyone's creativity. Of course - this is our belief based on anecdotal evidence, profiling hundreds of people over the course of the past five years, and talking with other typology experts. So two opposite types can be creative. The behavior is the same - yet the way each type ARRIVED at that behavior is different. This is why we spend a lot of effort and time focusing on the cognitive functions... they give an insight into the actual mental processes of the mind - not just the behaviors that emerge from those mental processes. And... also... there is always room for an error rate in a written test. So there is a possibility that you are not an INTP. Why worry about academics if they aren't that interesting to you? Just pursue those things you love. Thougts?
Joel Mark Witt thank you so much for writing back to me, but i'm not quite sure as to how I'm going to reply. I do understand what you mean, that written tests can be faulty, so how would you recomend going about learning my personality type and how i function at my base? I know that knowing my personality type is, isn't going to change the world, but i am someone who self evaluates quite a bit and i like to know how people function. Because of my Dyslexia i've done tests for my academics and help research purposes, so wanting to learn how i function and learn has always bin quite a significant part of my life and who I am. i've also been diagnosed for ADHD but as I'm getting older i feel as if i don't fit the profile quite right. I think i might be some one with "haut potentiel" (research is happening mainly in Belgium) i have no clue what it is in english (don't google translate it, it's not correct, to this particular meaning) but i believe it might be similar to Low latent inhibition (maybe the same thing i've just started to look into LLI. www.douance.be/douance-ahp-caracteristiques.htm (you can google translate :) i'm saying all this because I'm truly perplexed on how I function. i know i don't think through things the same way as my pears i know this because 1) i've been told 2) i just know i don't view things the same way as others especially my own age group. So i'm trying to go back to my personality base and work my way up if that makes scenes. i do enjoy academics, I'm just terrible at it, i hate the fact that i have a hard time retaining logical information like mathematics and science. i use to think i hated math but know i know that i just don't like the fact that i can't remember it for more than a day ( I'm not exaggerating, i can solve some problems in class but by the time i get home for my H.W. it's gone, and i can no longer remember the process) Thanks again for taking the time to write back to me, it truly appreciated.
No worries. Glad to see a long comment because it shows a great discussion. We are getting ready to release a series of articles on our website about how to really determine your type. Here's an article we just published that I think would be a great place to start: www.personalityhacker.com/when-you-almost-know-your-personality-type/
When I was in Elementary school teachers would always have meetings with my parents on how different I was and my parents always thought I had some disorder
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Thank you for this video its insanely accurate
Are intps seen as stupid by most people. I ththink I'm an intp and everyone assumes I'm dumb but I'm actually really smart
I am intp i need some mental help i don't afford psyc.. i have blury vision mytopia from more than 2years i guess butcoild never afford eye chekup and specs so i cant even get psyc chekup ..is there any cheap or free way to get my mental health managed ...i come from poor indian family
3:50 my teacher did that to me when I was 10. She scream at me and tell me to get out of class.
@@thegigadykid1 My teachers used to worry that I wasn't getting the concepts they were trying to teach because I was often withdrawn in class, drawing in my notebook, or sometimes daydreaming, I rarely turned in homework, abhorred group work, disliked most of my classmates, and didn't pay any attention to my appearance.
However, I was always attentive peripherally, and would read through the text books rather than do homework. When test time came, I rarely scored less than a 95%, usually to the amazement of my teachers.
To this day, 22 years after graduating, I don't think any of them realized how much I internalized my learning. The way I saw it, homework was pointless because it didn't teach me anything I didn't already know, and I couldn't respect a request that couldn't be justified by anything other than them saying, "Do this because I said so."
My grades suffered because of this stubborn apathy, and I realize with maturity that it was probably smarter to placate their need for validation by succumbing to their homework request, but at the time it seemed wholly illogical to waste energy on so frivolous a task.
It is a misconception that INTPs dont understand social hiarchies and etiquette. We do understand but just dont care for it.
sooooooooo true.
Social hierarchies are for chickens and other poultry.
thijsjong then I must not be intp because I'm going to be president of the United States lol
Cinqmil but I like chickens
Chickin Peck
Me too. I just like my chickens stuffed.
Any other INTPs do poorly in high school but love absorbing knowledge into adulthood without proper education?
OMAD WarriorChick yeah. i wonder if its because we had underlying issues with the teacher and their inconsistancies, or, if our personalities were in a sort of incubation period where our personalities were hindered by crazy hormones..
what are your thoughts?
OMAD WarriorChick I think the education system limits our independent intuitive thinking manner! we look for our own ways of gaing wisdom and skills not through what other think we should learn ! I reject what people expect me to learn but rather express my curiosity freely not directed or suppressed!
OMAD WarriorChick
Absolutely!!!! I'm 35 and I always did horrible academically yet I have about a hundred college textbooks (mostly engineering related) and also theoretical sciences. Not one fiction book though.
I failed to turn in a lot of assignments in high school but did well enough on tests (and took enough AP classes) to gave more than a 4.0 GPA. In college, however, that was not enough to keep me from failing several classes and ending up with a 2.8 GPA despite plenty of peers with 4.0 GPAs and harder majors saying I was smarter than them.
yes.
Are I'm the only INTP who is insanely ambitious yet insanely lazy ?
Thanks robert wright for the comment and question. I'm not an INTP - but I've noticed that INTPs can often look lazy to the outside observer. And yet - if something makes sense and gets them excited they are extremely ambitious and will work very hard. I think the world just seems so stupid to many INTPs (i.e. dumb social rules that make no sense) that they would rather avoid than engage.
Has that been your experience? Do dumb social rules and lack of thought before action (from others) make you feel like the ambition is knocked out of you?
I don't think my ambitous can never be knocked out of me it's very strong and I wanted say that I just don't see how people can just be satisfied with the normal life the regular 9-5. I don't like being told how to do things I want to put my on creativity and explore ideas on my work
robert wright that makes sense.
robert wright No. you are not the only one.
robert wright You sound exactly like me. I don't know why I am getting ISTP in my MBTI tests, is it because I am consciously forcing myself to become more like an ISTP.
Just some thoughts about myself and INTP stereotypes:
1. I've no problem trying new things-as long as nobody else knows. This is partly because I'm afraid of failure, and also because I don't want expectations/judgements put on me.
2. I LOVE helping people . . . design better systems (that make them less frustrated). I love seeing people happy.
3. Several people have said I would make a great teacher, because I'm calm, approachable, and patient.
4. The best nickname for INTP that I've seen is ‘Designer Theorizer’. I'm a designer through and through-information design, programming language design, typeface design, music composition, cooking, & user experience design.
5. I usually stay on topic and to the point, but if the subject is one of my passions (yay!), I can ramble on forever.
6. Decision-making really can be quick and easy-once I feel like I have *all* of the necessary information to make the best choice. Until then, you might as well wait in line at the DMV.
+Perihelion Summer Thanks for the comment. On point #6 - I've seen a pattern that INTPs need the necessary information in order to make a decision. Once they have that - the decision comes afterward.
Perihelion Summer point number one is so critical to me. I'm an INTP and one of my friends once commented to me that they thought I was a butt because I wouldn't try the things that they suggested when they suggested that I try them, but would later come back to those suggested things and try them in my own time and on my own terms, and sometimes find that I liked them. It's just the pressure to perform or react a certain way that really makes me itch. So I usually just tell people, "I hear what you're saying" and move on from there and then try the thing by myself. I just didn't have the words to explain this before. WOW. It makes a huge difference knowing that's not just me.
This is so fascinating for me just right now. I found out about the INTP type half an hour ago and suddenly, I find people writing like they share the same brain with me. That's why I answer to your comment. It feels like I could have written exactly the same words. It's absolutely surreal, I just cannot believe this. Don't know what to say... I feel like I could finally find some answers.
AMEN...I was able to channel my energies, i became a musician and educator now becoming a scholar. I was always self directed in life. always trust your instincts ....we are unique there are only a small % of us.
Perihelion Summer I agree, especially with the first one
Rule #1 of INTP 'club' "DO NOT GIVE OUT ALL THE DATA." ;)
That's the same Rule#1 of this channel I guess unless you throw in a few bucks to buy the premium content.
hehe Rule #2 save your money and go to the free sites
rule #3, recognize that everyone is making a living in their expert field.Life is about give and take......Rule #4....Stay REAL!!!
rule #6, follow rule#5
+UnderseaCaveman Rule #7: ESTJ's can be assholes (correct me if I'm wrong lol)
I feel like INTPs strugle with social problems the most. Even if they try to be themselves. I know I do
+Lesley Phans Patrick Gerard Urie You're absolutely right. I'm an INTP as well, I feel you.
Boys we be on the same boat
I do too. i hate going out, i get drained with people at social functions,i cant go to parties . im a musician but when performing its different.
i dont feel like i struggle with social events, cause i'm just not going :P i cant be bothered and its not that im shy or anything, i just dont want to use my time for no reason. what good would it do me, that i know who likes pancakes and who has the biggest feets :D?
I try to see socializing as a problem to be solved.
INTP kid hates school -_-
Right, I would sit in it and think about how messed up the process of school was. It was not hard for me just highly inefficient. The execution of school was so terribly time consuming with very little actually being learned. Plus they never cater to learning styles. They don't even let people know they have learning styles. SMH
As an ENFP I hated school too. I recently visited my son's school and was horrified at how much it was like a little kid prison. It impacted me enough to give a talk about the experience at the Inbound Bold Conference in Boston last year: ua-cam.com/video/OK-UnEZZk0Y/v-deo.html
I loved school as an INTP because I focused on learning, I really didn't pay attention to social stuff.
School Sucks harder than toilet clog cleaner on a choked toilet!!!
i loved school
I am a 16 year old INTP and my family thinks i'm mentally sick. This video probably understands my way of thinking better than anyone I know.
Sorry for living in a closed minded family ;P
Glad it made sense for you. Sorry your family doesn't understand. Fortunately - there are others who will.
Symbis don't worry my family have been taking me to doctors for years and friends say im a narcists. look at what they say about you and ask yourself; "from how they act and talk, are they just saying this to me because of their own insecurities?" and an INTP would know what to do next
My mom was the same way, I love her, but when she moved away across the country, I became so freed in perspective and experienced more joy and success in Musical Performance than I ever had before
you're 18 now kiddo
They forgot the creative side of INTPs. An INTP myself, I work in science because I know that I can make it difference in the world through it and it comes easy to me. However, my main focus was always on creative writing which I still adore. INTPs are not as data oriented as many think, we love to play out stories in our mind and ask what if questions. The data focus is kind of a subconscious thing...
Data yields abstract patterns (Ne), but so does art. The key thing for us INTPs is making systems out of those patterns (Ti).
I was a scientist for decades but have always been creative. First with writing fiction, which I got bored with, now with art. I no longer have to work and my sole focus has been to be the best artist I can.
Sounds like you have a dash of INFP in you.
Spoken like a true expert. I can relate to quite a lot of what you said.
Maren Sechting
Hello, me.
I have a background in microbial ecology research but I’m now a high school science teacher.
I’m definitely data driven and analytical, but also have a creative side and love writing and composing music.
I’m just learning about the INTP personality type. It’s fascinating, and of course now I’m throwing myself into learning about what makes me tick.
I’m finding comfort in knowing that there’s so many others that are just like me.
I'm an INTP who hates maths and physics and loves literature, so maybe that's why I feel even more left out haha
+Coraline W Maybe. I know a lot of INTPs that don't like math or science. They all seem very happy with the arts, business, etc.
a lot of INTPs are into more artsy fields (looking at Terry Pratchett or Umberto eco). I personally love almost everything which is exhausting
An INTP here 🙋 who loves linguistics and literature, music, painting, drawing, singing, playing instruments, crafting... And thinks of learning maths, physics, laws and software engineering as soon as I can xD
I also love literature as well as music. Specifically music theory, I kind of have a love/hate relationship with it XD
@@joelmarkwitt yeah I love social studies and hate others science and math
I am an INTP and I actually dont care about reputation. If anything I hide my talents, skills and achievements. Because when people find out, they keep expecting more from me since I am capable. I dont enjoy performing my abilities, talents or skills for others when commanded or asked unless I feel like it. The less people know, the better.
Totally agree. It’s among the reasons I have taken a career path as a welder. I can work and mostly keep my head down.
I'll make a better grade then most in a class in school and my friend will ask " why are you not telling everyone" and I wish I could explain how it feels to have an INTP mind. Thanks for your comment.
Same. We’re not show ponies.
My sister (ESFJ) was watching this with me (INTP), and said, "Man, y'all are fucked up." Can't even get offended.
Angela Powers Nice :-)
We aint fucked up , they are the majority getting their energy from people , talking shit , never thinking a motherfucking thing through. so Fuck all of them you are beautiful and unique, never forget it.
Am I the only intp that isn't interested in math at all?
Chelsea Rodriguez I bet there are others. One of my female friends is an INTP and she couldn't care less about math.
Chelsea Rodriguez me neither but like i was actually good at it in highschool didnt even know why till now
+Chelsea Rodriguez Not at all. I HATE math, always did. And i think i always will. But i am definitely an INTP. In fact i was quite good at math in highschool. I just hated it. Yes, i am a T, but i much prefer to mix this T with my N & P. Thinking BUT not too down to earth, not too rigid, much more free flowing. And by that i mean: yes i love science, but science that speaks to my intuition, science that is not too "ruley" (like math!). Math is much too rigid for me.
But i still like science in general. I study biology & ecology. But i feel these sciences, especially ecology, are much more free flowing even if they still have a set of "rules" : you still have to see where the connections are between the organisms, etc. Also those organisms have instincts but also free will. Also, adaptations through evolution are always changing - it is not set in stone like math laws are, even if the basic principle - evolution itself - always stays the same. It IS a system, but a system with so much elements interconnecting that you cannot see with the naked eye, you have to process it with your intuitive mind a lot more to make sense of it. That's why Darwin (a famous INTP) loved this subject so much i think. :)
I would be curious to know how many TRUE mathematicians are INTP, i would guess not so many (but maybe i am wrong). Why? Well I would guess INTPs that do math see it much more like a TOOL for answering their deep questions about the world, not as an END. Einstein was a physicist and did a lot of math, but his math helped him answer his questions about the universe. He had already thought about a reasoning with his intuitive mind before trying to prove it with the math. It was not the math preferred doing - he did it in his deep search for truth. He was also very creative and praised imagination more than knowledge (he has a famous quote about it). In contrast i feel that INTJs would be more likely to just do math for the sake of it, like Newton who constructed Calculus.
Also, i think it depends on your Enneagram. For example, i am a Type 4. So i guess i am much more artistic than "stereotypical" INTPs. I also write, paint, etc. I think that's why i thought i was an INFP for so long before figuring out i was wrong. Do you know your Enneagram Type? Maybe it is 4 too?
Sorry for the long message - typical INTP, i know.
+Chelsea Rodriguez "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere."
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
All by Albert Einstein :)
+Chelsea Rodriguez I personally hate math and science
Secret about INTP’s, we’re deeply emotional but no one else seems to be able to tell.
When you get pushed, pushed, pushed, pushed, pushed, and finally push back you are the bad guy!
I’ve discovered this since an INTP opened up with me and I am INFP so it’s easy to pick up on it.
Anyone analyzing this from a marketing standpoint? Ultimately they are trying to sell us a product.
+G.S. Kim Yep. And when they talk about the "premium" content, they are selling to our personality type. Interesting stuff, though!
+G.S. Kim - That is an incomplete read on the situation. The full ecology goes like this: We're trying to create a win/win of providing solid content about personal development through the lens of typology. The only way to do that effectively is to have a business around it. We let you know we offer premium content if you'd like, but as you see it's not a hard sell and if you don't believe it's for you then that's fine. We have a shit ton of resources for INTPs on our website that aren't behind any pay wall. If we're good at what we do we feel we'll make enough to keep going.
But I get the cynicism.
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Antonia Dodge FYI I wasn't criticizing.
+G.S. Kim - Cool. Thanks for clarifying. But it's still not an complete read, since that isn't our ultimate goal. Our ultimate goal is to guide people (particularly iNtuitives) toward a self-accepting, empowered belief about themselves so they'll feel qualified and motivated to make positive changes in the world. We're just idealistic that way.
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+G.S. Kim everyone watching is most like likely an INTP and that's what we do lol
I'm an INTP and I got sent to a Psychiatrist because I was suspected for having Asperger or autism.
Excuse me?
Lars Erik Volden your excused
yeah i found out i had ADD so my childhood was looking out the window in school thinking about rockets, making cartoons , thinking about atonal soundtracks in movies.
me too
I don't feel rejected from the world really. I just don't care much for society and people in general. Traveling, culture, etc... I love all that!
Memento mori? 🖤⚰️
@@HolyDiscoPotato Omg you just took me back in time, not only to 2 months ago (i say this as if im not wearing my camp unus annus shirt) but to 6 years ago when I was in college and wrote this comment LOL.
@@periunus8133 lmao I didn't know if you would respond or not 🤣
The more tragic part of being INTP*sometimes*, is when you've literally found ways to logically recondition your mind to avoid people hurting you "emotionally" (which comes up when some INTPs embark on typology theory, but can cause you to "think" you're a different type even though there is always have this odd theoretical hang-nail about it). Because you know if you were to literally speak your mind(what you know is truth), the world would think you're crazy or just hate you. And while it may be true some people would get angry at what you say, it's important to not beat yourself up inside as well just for something that "could" happen. I'm 28, almost 29 and I just learned how to stop lying to myself to avoid that torment. I'm sure almost every real INTP knows what I'm hinting at here, or at least a high percentage may if they've been in specific situations.
Mac Hammac Thanks for the comment Mac.
Joel Mark Witt You're welcome! Thanks for commenting back by the way. I just found that I'm an INTP, had been thinking I was INFP for about 2 years. It was depression/anxiety, couldn't ignore something with my type as INFP felt very off though(I was seeing a lot of Ti in my posts when I re-read them). I think I was also confused because I'm a visual artist *draftsmen / painter * and typically people in this line of work are NF's. Anyways, I'm very excited to have found my actual type!
Mac Hammac Musician / Mapper here. Gnostic Heretic, Anti-Natalist as well.
I understand exactly what you’re saying. I’m 45, the only way I’ve found to deal with this is near isolation with the exception of my immediate family being my wife and children. Plus only a few close friends.
It wasn't until college that I felt education was a place for me. During primary school, the school convinced my mom to send me to pyschologist because they thought I had ADD, but thankfully, the psychologist told the school that I did not have ADD, but instead, I was intellectually bored, which angered the teacher, likely an SJ. Furthermore, my mother would tell me, almost daily, stop correcting the teacher.
Ryan Campbell Geez. My guess is you were incredibly frustrated by this. Thank god they didn't just put you Ritalin like so many others.
Joel Mark Witt I was lucky. I'm thankful to the psychologist for being objective and my mother for fighting the school at every step.
Ryan Campbell I refused to do homework because I used to ace the tests. Having a very high chance of doing well on tests just by having rote knowledge of the material alone made me bored with homework, and I realized I could pass if I just participated in class, helped other, and aced the tests. This was a horrible habit, but, very similar to the problems you had.
Ryan Campbell I was similar with reading back in elementary school. "The hippo floated in the river." And while everyone else was figuring out how to sound the words (this was the 1st grade), I was going through the rest of the book to see if there was anything that was worth reading. It wasn't until the 3rd grade when I finally found a book series that was actually interesting, and it was aimed at teenagers. Not 3rd graders. There was also my obsession with dinosaurs that often left even my teachers in the dust (I would look up everything an elementary school kid could on them). And on one paper, I wrote "I like and know more about dinosaurs than anyone else." The teacher took me aside and said "Well your classmate here also likes dinosaurs, what about him?" I then simply proved I knew more about them than even she did and told her I was simply telling the truth. She left me alone after that.
fromolwyoming What a great story. I would love to have watched that teacher get schooled by you as a 3rd grader.
Wow, that felt uncannily accurate.
The anecdote about the 7 year old correcting the teacher is spot-on. That happened to me countless times from preschool through college.
I'm realizing that the combination of wanting to battle with authority figures over what's right, but also wanting to manage my reputation, has been a major source of tension in my life.
Thanks for the video!
Patrick Hay Thanks for the feedback.
Correcting the teachers always got me in trouble..i almost got kicked out of college because i said to the professor that he was wrong about something ..it happened like 3months ago
Spot on for me as well. I had major authority issues growing up. I thought it was a personality disorder..
OMG. You hit the nail on the head! As an INTP, I do care about my reputation and am perplexed a lot of times how some other types act in ways that hurt their reputation and are seemingly oblivious to it. Being self-aware, competent, original and respectable is very important to me and from an early age I always had a desire to be unconventional.
Awesome planetol thanks for commenting.
Reputation has a function. The function is that the better your reputation then the more reputable you are. Meaning you can get ideas across easier with less effort and the important thing is you will be believed.
This ties in with what the lady said about for an INTP it can feel like we're against the world because of teachers and people etc. This may have caused a need to build reputation so we can actually be heard.
INTP-A here (I only found out yesterday and I feel like I have a place in the world now!)
Spot on
I just found out I'm an INTP (I think) but all I really like to do is smoke weed, watch anime and hang out with small groups of friends
Nothing wrong with pursuing happiness.
Oh sweet Jesus, comment of the week. I haven't laughed so hard since yesterday...
This is literally my life. I am also INTP
JingleRants sAMEEEE
Let's replace the weed with masturbation and watching anime with watching youtube videos. ta da!
(society will not accept them but at the same time, in the weird way, celebrates their intelligence)
happens to me. My college 'friends' won't invite me to a party or to some events but when we are going to face an exam, my phone is full of their chats. lmao.
I've taken the Myers Briggs test multiple times over the years and I always get the result of INTP and while I identify with a lot of the descriptions given about INTP's, at the same time I feel kind of like an odd INTP.
I know INTP's are considered lazy by a lot of people, but very active in their heads. While I love thinking about stuff and possible solutions to them, when the thinking gets too complicated to solve something *immediately*, I just stop thinking about it and think about something else...Like, I'm lazy even when it comes to thinking. Or would this be impatience? This only happens when I'm only moderately interested in what I'm thinking about but that's a lot of things.
At the same time, I love making stories in my head and it doesn't matter how complicated it gets. I could think about a story I made up the entire day.
I even used to sometimes skip school so I could make up a story in my head since I wouldn't have the time to do that at school. Story making is the only thing I don't lose interest in and it's really frustrating that I lose interest in everything after a while.
Thanks ***** for the comments. I would say there is a difference between laziness and boredom. Maybe you have the latter.
***** Sometimes, you just need a good nights sleep, and bam, the answer to that thought that was bugging you is there. Story writting is something I've thought about, and usually I come up with something, then something completely different, then forget what those earlier concepts were, then forget the recent idea. I have the same problem with song lyrics, but not as bad.
Tau Errol Stories stick in my mind like superglue., I never forget them. But stuff I'm not interested in goes in one ear, and out the other. That's why people describe me as a dreamy person lol. I'm always thinking of stories and never paying attention to much else.
I am exactly the same as an INTP lol I can’t fall asleep without dreaming up a story and I love mashing concepts from books I’ve read to create my own worlds. And I could never learn things I don’t have interest in too even if I try I have to find something in it to enjoy or I’ll keep forgetting it so that might seem lazy and impatient.
Don’t worry I think that’s normal for INTPs which I am (though I’ve tested INTJ a few times as well). When I was a kid I’d get my work done really early so I’d daydream in school. As an adult I can daydream for hours about some intricate story I’ve thought up.
THANK YOU. I am an INTP thank you for saying we are not disordered or "broken". THANK YOU>
Heh. Funny. My mom was called to my school because I kept correcting my teacher on matters relating to biology. When we were driving home, my mom said that I can't do that. I was still confused and explained that I was right and she was wrong.
I corrected my teachers constantly. My INTJ dad and INFP mom, who both have doctorates in humanities, backed me up. Teachers either loved my family or hated us.
I'm currently trying to get a Master degree, and that conversation with your mom is the one I've always had with my mom 😆 during all my academic life.
My most recent debate was on Saturday, and mom just said: "You can't correct the teacher in that way, less in public! He has a PhD, he's the career director!"
Me: "Mom, he's just an incoherent person that has wrote a crazy book, which is stupidly written! How is it possible that 2 mentions don't appear in the back of the book? In fact, he doesn't even defined the terms, and told me that my explanation of the topic was incomplete. But his book doesn't have that info either! And I just don't care who he is or his titles, it's wrooong!". 😆😆
Scary accurate-Especially the misunderstood, misdiagnosed part. After hearing that… flashback epiphany… If this comment is nonsensical it's because I'm processing a lot right now, this video was incredibly helpful to my understanding of things and myself-a.k.a the highest praise an INTP can give.
Dekimate Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated.
As an INTP I've taken the time to learn to understand emotions ARE fact.
This has helped me greatly understand reflect on things differently in conversations. I try to think
"emotions are real. We all feel them. They come from somewhere, and have importance as they are real things we experience."
Experience inherently has value because we don't learn anything without memory/experience. I can also understand that there IS logic to emotion, because we all experience it rather similarly. If emotions didn't make sense, we would not have such a collective understanding on how to expect people how to feel after certain events.
To completely ignore that emotional side of an argument is to ignore potential data. I think learning this for myself has definitely helped me connect, understand and grow as an INTP.
I believe that naturally INTP love to explore and do new things and that INTP love to be who he really is but when the young INTP get bullied, yelled at and when ever their parents tell them that's what they are doing is not normal or its weird, INTP build a wall around them selfs. They still want to do all that stuff what ever it is, but they will do it when they are alone,when there is no one to judge. INTP doesn't care about what other people think but they want to avoid weird situations and questions. INTP must break that barrier and surround with people who will enjoy their weirdness else they will be alone for the rest of the life. Now, INTP is obviously an introvert, but it's still a human and it's looking for understanding and connections. Stereotype is that they are not emotional, but believe me, they are. Maybe more emotional than many feeling types, yet they supress those emotions, again, to avoid weird questions and reactions. And then after some time of supressing emotions, they will explode. They may seem happy, but they are not. Now what i think by this is that in general, truly happy and truly sad INTP will probably look the same. Because it's hard to tell a difference, if you have INTP friend, if you sense that something is wrong, even if they say everything is ok, tell them just as a reminder that you are always there for them. Maybe they won't open up, but you will definitely improve their mood by just saying that. Take care of your INTP's, they are nice people and loyal, so better never betray them.
I hide my emotions most of the time, but if someone realize there is something wrong even when I act "ok" and actully tries talking to me I will be crying or something XD
When people is negative toward myself I don't really care (I only care if that person that don't like me starts rumours and other people start judginig me without actully knowing me, there I care). But if someone is actully nice and comprehensive I got too emotional, and I hate that xdxd
Like some describes 5s in the eneagram (I'm 5w4) "The one who is scare of feeling"
An INTP who do have autism and dyslexic. Now i know I'm broken , then starting looking into a way to live with it and not trying to fix myself.
Wow. This explained me perfectly. I've always wondered if there was something wrong with me -- maybe a slight case of Asperger's. I tend to fumble and present myself awkwardly in social situations. But I have no problem reading between the lines or understanding social cues. I hate offending people and I actually prefer having changes in my routine. So the shoe doesn't quite fit. My brain just can't think of anything to talk about other than my own interests which would only bore/confuse the other person.
From a young age I was always "the smart one". I vaguely remember in 2nd grade, getting an A on a quiz that I never studied for (I was new) while the other students didn't do so well. The teacher was very shocked -- maybe because I'm black? Who knows. But moments like that have followed me throughout my life. I've had professors who were convinced that I plagiarized an assignment only to find out for themselves that my work was 100% original.
Add being a female to that and people either think I'm a lesbian or that I'm just weird. It's easier to just avoid people altogether.
darkpearl88 Thanks for the feedback. Do you think other INTPs deal with "what to say" in social situations? BTW - I think skipping small talk and talking about more interesting stuff is something to applaud. I love when I run into people that do this.
I know ur prob not active anymore but if u see this just know im a mixed female INTP and that part ab being mistaken for a lesbian was so real. I dont get why people always assume different = wrong. Luckily growing up a member of very obscure people has made me more acceptong and supportive of smaller groups now, and not afraid of standing out
Before doing your test I told my friend how I really hated when teachers or mother (most likely ESFJ s) would say things like do it this way because I said so, or because I'm the teacher, even though I had a better way which didn't involve mindless repetition. Guess I always have despised controlling, rules orientated types. I was also discussing my disastrous history of relationships, or lack thereof, mentioning to him- I think I need to get out there more... Your accuracy/ exploration profile really hit the nail on the head, thank you
Thanks for the feedback. Glad it made sense.
@Tom pretty much ive figured that a while ago
Im still being told that... "whats wrong with you?, why are you sad? GO OUT and get happy"... sigh* and yes my parents sent me to see psychiatrists lelelelelel
That advice (while maybe we'll intended) seems incomplete. And you may find that "getting out there" will help you grow your Extraverted part of your personality. It's more about HOW you do it.
poposisa SOOOOOO TRUE!! 😂
Like balm for the soul. Thank you guys for your work.
Hi. I'm an INTP, and I have to agree with some of the criticisms I've seen posted here.
1. Ne is abstracting, not observant, and does NOT prioritize facts. While Ti is focused on the truth, this truth is based on an abstraction of reality that can sometimes actually be irrelevant to real-world application. That's why in an argument between INTP and INTJ (Ti vs Te), you get two people who think they are stating the truth through an abstract line of reasoning but still end up with completely different conclusions.
2. INTPs also run the risk of insulating their natural critical capability to the point where they don't care about its practical use - this is because Ti cares about internal logical consistency, not execution. So, while it's true that an immature INTP will talk back to the teacher in class, they are also less likely than INTJs to want to prove their knowledge, or make any use of it.
3. Some INTPs probably do have Asperger's or ADD. Saying that an INTP's 'natural differentness' could be mistaken for those disorders is kind of ignorant in a few ways. First, I think that you could only make this statement while operating on stereotypes. You could make the argument that an autistic person's extreme sensitivity to stimulation makes them a Sensor, or their need for order and settledness makes them a Judger. These are stereotypes. Further, for INTPs who DO have a mental disorder, it diminishes their struggle to have their neuroatypicality recognized.
4. I appreciate the flattery, but INTPs aren't geniuses, nor do they have a monopoly on the genius category. They, like any type, have the potential to be a genius, and that genius will probably be applied abstractly and logically, but I don't think it's appropriate to claim they are special. Just look at the celebrities on CelebrityTypes - Sensors make great scientists for their observational skill, and Feelers have made a great many innovations in an effort to alleviate suffering.
Thanks for your video anyway; it's always nice to see yourself being celebrated even if it's on inaccurate grounds.
+Leslie Mei Thanks for the comment. I appreciate that you left it on a positive note though you took exception to some of the things said.
Looking through your list I think we do disagree on a couple of points, but most of it could be boiled down to misunderstanding what we meant and wanting a more complete thought than a 10 minute video could provide. In rejoinder I'll address each of your points as you have.
1. We at no time stated that Ne prioritizes. That would be a job for the judging process, Ti. We call Ne "Exploration," and we encouraged INTPs to do as much Ne as possible (mentioning travel, new hobbies, etc). That said, I would argue that Ne both abstracts and observes, and host of other things. Our perceiving process informs what we choose to observe, which is why it's 'observational', though that is far from complete. It's on fire when engaged with the environment recognizing and culling advanced patterns. And so Ne is done best when it's active (not in passive merely observational mode). But it - like all the perceiving processes - still dictates where the attention is going and on what.
2. I agree. But it's far more likely for an INTP to argue with a teacher in class than an INTJ. It's not that the INTP needs to prove their intelligence (though that can happen), it's that a piece of inaccurate data was dispensed as truth and that is maddening. On the flip side, an INTJ using Te is going to on some level appreciate (or even merely tolerate) hierarchy. So if an INTJ has attempted to add correct data to the conversation and is rebuffed they're far more likely to simply believe the teacher is an idiot and leave it at that.
An INTP has no such qualms, since Ti is far more naturally egalitarian. My data if correct should be held in equal standing as your data, and so the argument beings. While it's not a universal experience to INTPs, it's definitely not an anomalous one.
3. I think you profoundly misunderstood what we were attempting to say here. We in no way intended to marginalize anyone - INTP or not - dealing with a behavioral or mental disorder. There are unlimited combinations of type and disorders, and they're going to cause the type to show up a little differently.
That said, after years of profiling and coaching INTPs I've heard a similar song sung over and over - I was medicated for what turned out to be a misdiagnosis. I've personally witnessed Fe dom mothers medicating what appeared to be typically behaved INTPs as autistic for what simply seemed to be Fe inferior. Again, it's not universal. But it isn't anomalous, as a quick scan through the comments section of this video can attest. Since none of this is hard science and culling data is difficult at best, trends become very important. Or, at least, intriguing. We felt it was important to acknowledge the trend that has caused others pain and is part of the 'being misunderstood' story.
4. Actually, the reason I mentioned that is I read a stat a while back that indicated INTPs statistically test higher on IQs than any other type. There was another commenter who asserted INTJs do, but that wasn't the data I read. We made sure to be VERY clear in the video that INTPs are "statically smarter in the way that society has been programmed to understand intelligence - analytical."
We're pretty big fans of Gardner's Multiple Intelligence theory and have done full podcasts on the subject. Analytical intelligence is just one breed, but it's the breed we've all been told is super-dooper important and that colors how other people interact with INTPs. It's not about it being 'true', it's about whether or not we perceive it as true and socially respond in kind.
I'd agree that there are INTPs that aren't geniuses in the traditional IQ sense. Were Napoleon Dynamite to be a real person I'd use him as an example of what that can look like. But in a 10 minute video it's tough to make sure we've covered every possibility and we go for high leverage - what is the usual INTP experience, and how are they going to feel most understood?
Genius isn't the province of any single type. When we're celebrating one type we're not by definition saying all the other types are stupid sad sacks and what the hell is wrong with all those troglodytes. We're focused on one type at a time in these videos. It's not meant to be passive commentary on everyone else.
Also - I think you're dead wrong that INTPs aren't special. They are very important part of the social ecosystem, but they're not always treated well so they don't always show up as their best selves.
Lastly - if Celebrity Types people are reading this my sincere apologies. It's not the best site for understanding type if you go strictly by their type guesses. When they get a type right it seems almost on accident. It's a tough gig, profiling celebrities. You can't know for a certainty unless you actually profile them yourselves.
Thanks again for your comment. If you'd like a far more complete look at the type we recorded a one hour podcast on INTPs, as well as a long form article. They can be found here:
Podcast: www.personalityhacker.com/podcast-episode-0085-intp-personality-type-advice/
Article: www.personalityhacker.com/intp-personality-type/
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Antonia Dodge I read the whole reply.glad that you saved our twisted personalities dignity 😎
I wouldn’t expect anything but the bare truth of things from a fellow INTP
It is greatly appreciated
Best comment so far!
Is anyone else like this? As an INTP, I always feel like my emotions are stemmed from the social norms, and that I've learned to have certain reactions… For example, when someone is yelling at me, I learned that I should feel 'anger and embarrasement', or when someone helped me, or if I'm at a gathering, I am supposed to feel happy, thankful, etc…… and I try to… but deep down, I actually don't feel anything at all…
I can relate. At funerals I always feel pressured into feeling super sad. No people = the real me, people = who they expect me to be
Yeah I got misdiagnosed with ADD/aspergers a while ago...but now realise that being an INTP is often fraught with misunderstanding.
Thanks for commenting.
Seth Linnell Seems a common theme. Another Asperger's/ADHD/ADD 'diagnosee' here
***** Thanks. I'm not embarrassed at all. This could be a learning experience for me with your feedback. Why should I be embarrassed? Maybe I'm missing something.
***** Hey thanks for the feedback. But now I'm confused on how the pejorative label of "pathetic" is a logical answer. Sounds like your feelings about this are clouding your logic. Can you break down the logic for me instead of getting emotional?
Joel Mark Witt "Pathetic" means by social codes that you're demeaning yourself by a certain action or attitude. Since the only statement Iskdjf pulls on his last comment (aside from noting you +1'ing your own comments) is calling you pathetic, the only logical issue we have to deal with is the fact whether you're pathetic or not, and following the logic with my first statement, you have demeaned yourself in Iskdjf's eyes, meaning that his/her statements were only rational.
If you're talking about Iskdjf getting embarrassed, the stimuli watching your actions activating his/her feelings towards embarrassment logically implies that he's embarrassed. There's logic in feelings, too, and stating them out loud makes sense, assuming it's all true.
I hope I cleared things up :)
Literally crying because you guys are comfirming mostly everything i've thought about myself all along.
This video is so on point, I didn't expect the reputation part, I thought that only I felt that way lol. Thanks for the video!
as an INTP in my childhood, my mother would often send me to a therapist or psychiatrist assuming i was a sociopath. Now at the age of 20 I have discovered that i have nothing wrong with me i am a very stereotypical INTP.
Wow that bit about reputation really hit home. I sometimes wonder whether I am narcissistic but then again if I really was, would I question it lol. Ever since I found out about personality types I feel lighter, almost as if a weight is lifted off my shoulders. I can simply be who I am.
+123tube456 Glad this made sense to you. Thanks for the comment.
Im an Intp and I remember when I was a child watching jaws with my family, there was a long shot of a boat lingering in the water after it had been attacked by the shark in a previous scene, both my parents said- wow he killed them all, but I knew the intention of the director was to build suspense and I said- no there is someone still alive, they both shouted- shut up you dont know what you are talking about, and sure enough. They had to admit they were wrong.
The part about autism is so true. I've been told that I might be slightly autistic. I saw a therapist as well who hinted at it slightly. I even took a test that concluded I was slightly autistic. But I do not believe for one second I am on the autism spectrum. I hate these kinds of bullshit labels. I'm INTP. I'm also gay. My life is so difficult. Very hard to find my place in American society. I view most people as stupid and irrational and society drives me nuts. Also when I was a kid my mom was always trying to get me on medication to "fix" me. This video was very accurate.
Damn you fucked. gay and intp? i hope you're not ginger 😂
+HVRSH lmao. Brown hair blue eyes luckily.
HVRSH
Well I get a lot of pussy offered to me.
Autism and lack of a strong fe are different. Your not autistic I agree with you. We are just mid understood and were the only ones that have the correct minds to explain ourselves so when people try to explain us they fail and misinterpret us even more.
Dusky Racer
If someone calls you autistic do u get mad? I do.
This is completely a hundred percent accurate. -.- As an INTP girl the shut downs and the the strange stares were ridiculous growing up. In a response I started completely deducing what people were doing and thinking in order to make this character to avoid such confrontations. It is much easier to pretend to be a completely different type then to be an INTP in public. Or it is for me anyways. haha
Thanks danniefiction for the comment. What type of character did you "play" so that you could avoid the problems of showing up as an INTP in public?
Joel Mark Witt The easiest one I've found is acting like the cliche lovable idiot? Everyone enjoys/loves to think they are smarter then at least some one. Mostly I just pick up on the way people talk and act and deduce/assume what they are looking for and act accordingly. I can honestly say I do it even with my own family. Its really discouraging having someone look at you with dead stare that just says 'stupid child'. Its much easier and the best solution I've come up with so far in life. haha.
danniefiction I have found myself doing almost the exact same thing in my life... allowing others to think I'm kind of dumb so that I can get on with my day. But I would always know in my head that THEY were the "idiot."
I felt superior.
Some of the hardest personal growth I've ever done is to stop this and allow myself to be the smartest person in the room.
I am still working on getting rid of my pretension that was masquerading as humility and replacing it with authentic and real knowledge and intelligence. Not in an ass hole way of lording it - but in an honest representation of my skills, knowledge and communication.
It hasn't been easy and I'm still working on this. For example, I almost just replied to your comment just now and said something like "good points - thanks for sharing."
And then I thought... "no I actually have something to say here Joel - don't just tell people what you think they may want to hear. "
And I'm sharing my experience with you about my journey of growth because it is authentic for me.
Not that this will be your path. You may not relate to how I'm growing personally. It's just that I want to show up being me in my full and honest brilliance AND stupidity. I don't want to misrepresent myself anymore.
I find personal power lies there for me. And people are responding much better than I had ever expected.
Joel Mark Witt I can definitely understand this. I can say I really admire you for this. That is really a feat. I used to be like that until I realized what I was doing. I was being like all of the people who assumed I am just a stupid child. That made me sick to my stomach. It was really a habit I strived to break (and did break). I can really say I look at everyone and think I can learn something from them. I don't by any means think I am the smartest one in the room. There is a saying that if you the smartest one in the room you need to find a different room. I mean I think it really just sucks having to pretend all the time. For me it truly does. I've just had days where I don't have the energy to do it. On those days the reactions usually vary from 'Are you sick? Whats wrong' to 'I think you need to cheer up. Your depressing the whole grocery store'. I could have been completely happy. Just really the entirity of the reason why I put on this charada and misrepresent myself is because as a kid it was really hard for me. I had a lot of problems, to put it kindly. To me unless I know your an open minded and accepting person I'm really not going to take the chance to show you who I really am. I know that is so not the way to do things. Its really bad and negative and all other terms for unhealthy communicating. I mean I have my two best friends who completely accept me for all my nerdness, my crazy quirks, weird logical patterns, coming up with off the wall answers to theories and everything else that makes my INTP me. Whew words done. Do you mind if I inquire as to which of the 16 types you are? :)
Thanks for the comment back.
It's a really interesting contradiction, to have the ability to be valued because of a societal bias- IQ is the most valuable intelligence - that we don't necessarily agree with, but still desiring to be valued by society. I feel like it's a tendency to want to accept that bias, because in theory it's what we want, but it is ultimately shallow and hollow, because it doesn't stand up to honest scrutiny.
I think this is a big area that can define the level of maturity for an INTP; whether they are able to value themselves when they fail. And, I think this is part of the fear that can keep them in their defensive position. Ne/Exploration is risky and uncertain. If they have not learned to value themselves beyond their visible behavior, then every possible mistake is a danger to their basic needs.
Jenna DeNardo Well said.
I've always held value for myself because, to me, knowledge was never about myself. I love self reflection because I learn knew things about myself and can improve. I always want to validate myself because of the reputation thing. Whenever I am proved wrong, I disregard my information as inaccurate or reevaluate it. I bounce back and use the new info as a step to better results, not a way to critique myself when I had nothing to do with the knowledge in the first place. I don't understand the depression that some INTPs feel and I think I'm an eternal optimist. Even when I harshly criticize myself, I know it's to do better in the future... I really value that truth thing and want to use my talents to help the world... (you know, if I can ever really share this rambling in real life as opposed to just on the net *shrugs*)
popprincess3601 What you're saying, then, is that your knowledge is not the reason for your self-esteem. The fact that it's not the reason, in itself, is not a reason to value yourself, though.
I think it's natural to feel self-worth, but for people who, perhaps, that has been taken away from, it's difficult to find a logic-based reason to create a sense of value, again. It seems to me that an objective value system is one measuring usefulness. If someone does not feel subjective value (Fi) for themselves or reach a level of net usefulness, they can be at a real loss as to how to solve this problem.
The best thing I've come up with is simply accepting that these kinds of feelings of worth are a need. That I should try to build feelings of self-love and value (Fi), regardless of how unfounded they may be, so that I can continue to work at becoming objectively valuable or useful.
Jenna DeNardo I've never thought of it that way, actually. Really insightful and thanks for the reply :) Gosh, now I feel the need to self reflect again though >.
Jenna DeNardo self esteem is something I've recently built up a bit but I find it really strange because I feel like it's just a disguised vanity which I don't really care for. I never realized that their could be a difference in value and esteem... I don't think a concept of value has ever occured to me... maybe what I have to offer I guess but me as a person, can I find that valuable? This is completely strange to me and I'm not sure I get what I'm trying to figure out. In my head, I see esteem and value warring against each other with a gigantic sized question mark in between. I'm so confused and I feel like I'm going to be sitting here a while reading your comment. If you have more to contribute, I honestly wouldn't mind it... (gosh... it's like you had told me that what I had believed to be a dog all my life was really a dog...) sorry for my rambling...
Hey guys,
As an INTP, I find that much of what you said resonates. Just one bit I found troubling. The secret personality trait of "reputation." I have struggled with the question of how I would wish for others to regard me and I certainly would not use the term "reputation" to describe it.
What I think I and I reckon many other INTPs would wish for is to be valued, which goes back to earlier points you made in the video. I wish to be valued for the contribution(s) I could make to society.
Having a reputation is way too deeply inscribed in social acceptance narratives for it to be meaningful to me in any significant way.
My INTP friend thinks he has "emotional problems." As an INFP, I asked him to explain further, but as an INTP, he didn't know how to. hehe.
I know I'm an INTP, but I think I'm a really stupid INTP. I am not nearly as awesome as all these videos and websites say.
Look up the Dunning Kruger effect :)
+Chris Coy This comment made my day!
To me it's like; the more you learn, the more you learn you don't know shit! Or...... Am I just regurgitating Dunning and Kruger (social science) or Socrates (philosophy). God dammit, now I have to go research that..... The painful life of the INTP haha!
KINGJADEX 😂
am I the only one who is losing their creative capabilities(aka, can't make up theoretical ideas and models of what I can make in the future?)
I am an INTP and I am simply fucked...!!!
INTP struggles: Hate authority, hate public schooling, diagnosed with ADHD and drugged up since first grade, no one understands you, you feel like an alien but somehow easily make people laugh and they think you’re intelligent but somehow dismissive of it at the same time, starved for affection and a feeling of genuine connection with at least one other human being, no sense of community, why do I have to exist, but why oh why do I have to be aware of my own existence, can I switch off these pesky emotions and stupid biological needs for affection.
I took the test and I'm an "accuracy/exploration intp type" and all of what you said was extremely accurate, especially the part were everyone thinks I'm really weird. I tend to do really weird things to see other people's reactions, I've been exercising my inferior Fe function and I've been getting some weird looks lately. It's so fun confusing people in high school, and teachers while teaching them in their own subject. Freshman year I basically established the image of the nice quiet loner, this year I may mix it up and mess with people with my unpredictable acts of weirdness. The best part about it is that I look like the most conventional, boring, normal piece of shit at school, until I open my mouth and use my hands to unleash chaos with my confusing mind. Huehuehue... Also please kill me, I feel like I'm turning into a cancer cell
Ayy lmao I wish there were more of us in this world XD We’d be an unstoppable force of trolls!
Lol we’d have fun teaming up. How’d the last two years go? (Reading your 2yr old comment now)
Amen
A colleague of mine frankly told me that I have great ideas and hidden potentials-- which is much more advanced than what they have. But! Thing is, I don't do something about it. I lack the commitment of action. She suggested that I need something to unleash all that potentials. I kind of agreed to her but then nah! I'm still too lazy about everything.
I can really relate to the misunderstood part, I think I even misunderstood myself. When I got the results from Myers-Briggs test it was freaky at how accurate it was and it explained a lot about myself.
Thanks for the feedback. Have you found less misunderstanding now that you have a model to work from?
Yes, I feel like I was sort of lost but that model is sort of like finding a compass.
This makes so much sense to me... I did your personality test that led me here, I got INTP... I deal with constant frustration of not being able to relate to people, others may find me short tempered or blunt but really I am just analysing information... I am a musician, I have high ambitions, I enjoy song writing and exploring the depths of my thoughts, I am an over analyser, I write blogs, I enjoy writing and really want to inspire world change one day... I do feel misunderstood, and I laughed out loud when you said INTP's care about 'reputation' because... I tend to not care what people think about me, whatever they think will never stop me from being true to myself, yet at the same time I care very much about how they regard me, when you said 'they like to be respected for what they do' it really hit the nail on the head... I do feel I have something to give... Thankyou so much, this is incredible ☺
I scored highly as an INTP Logician. But, I'm glad to say, growing up, I did force myself to explores the world by putting myself in situations I knew to be socially Challenging and would stretch me mind. I would make it impossible for me to get out of and i would have to think my way though.
fyi: I clicked before fixing spelling errors and now it wont let me change it :|
Rose Wallace FeelsBadMan
I call it my gift and curse. It can be lonely with nobody to have real conversations with. If you are an INTP you know what I mean.
As you said, being an INTP, we will defend our ideas until we come out victorious. I didn't believe it at first because personally when situations do arise where I'm put into a position where I question something or someone I'm usually too lazy to engage or think they are not intellectual enough to carry through a conversation with. Until I remembered: my friends test my basic logic the most. I do view myself as the most smart and logical but when my intellect is being threatened I tend to get very aggressive and angry. I've even lost friends because of this, but I seem to not care since every time I came out with the correct answer.
Thanks Natalie for the comment. It sounds like your friends may be calling into question your competency. Of course that would bring up a lot of frustration and anger from you. As an INTP, being competent is very important.
I think that is fair that we are interested in a good reputation. After all according to the theory Fe function is what we aspire to in mid/later life. However, I would add that I find in terms of a reputation likely other INTP's would agree that we are particularly selective of the community which casts that reputation. I suppose what I mean is we tend to question both praise and ridicule (as we question everything else). Not perhaps the best social tool, but as a self proclaimed truth teller nothing is more annoying than a yes man. What would make me much happier is scrutiny of a new idea, then praise when it is supported by sound logic. That kind of praise is what I'm wired for and expecting for whatever reason to receive.
as an INTP.!!
thank u for telling Who i am ..!! What should i do to improve..!!!
INTP FTW..!!!
Being an INTP, I find it extremely uplifting that there people like you who are so fascinated in our specific personality type and how you think of us as amazing, even when we ourselves find it difficult to appreciate ourselves.
Thanks so much!
Feel rejected by society? No. I've just always felt misunderstood for my entire life. But I realized that we just misunderstand each other, always, everyday. It's not a big problem thou. I'm really grateful for you enthusiastic appreciation for my - our - personality type. I like being me. I just have to emprove a little more. MBTI helped me appreciate every single person. Even though I don't like to stay in the middle of a big crowd - even if I'm in a group of more than 2 or 3 people I begin to feel confused and annoyed - I like people and humanity in general.
Thanks for the feedback TerryPaws!
you sound like an infp to me
MrZaw97 Ok, actually if I had to take this test a few years ago, probably my type would be an INFP. But now I'm quite grown up and I think my third function is most of the time a T. I really see myself as a thinker and not a feeler, and so do people around me. I can be very emotional sometimes, but this do happen only with a very few people - my boyfriend, not even with my closest friends. But yeah, it's quite right to say that I have a sort of strife between my F and my T.
TerryPaws! A lot of people confuse feeling with emotional and thinking with logical. Feeling or thinking is only based on decision making. Thinking would be, if a=b and b=c therefor a=c. However, feeling would be if a=good and b=just ok then we should do a. If you still think you're a thinker, then maybe your dominant trait might be an irrational function such as ENFP or INFJ, I would assume the latter, but that's just me.
I know, but I'm too lazy to be precise. I think people undestand what I mean anyway xD
I'm an INTP and my entire life I've been convinced I'm broken, insensitive, and out of place. Can't tell you guys how impact it is to hear this, thank you.
Man, go look up the subreddit for INTP. I just discovered it and it feels like a whole forum of me having conversations with myself.
This video made me cry bc I've never felt so understood. Thank you!
Same here, it's amazing
Thank you for the feedback.
Wow. When you talked about being labelled as autistic or ADD and feeling out of place hit the nail on the head. Wow. I have always felt alien. Always had trouble forming bonds with people.
I think an underlying problem may be in that Aspergers is being seen as 'wrong' or 'broken' instead of a difference in a normal thinking continuum. It may be that INTP and being on the spectrum is often comorbid or synonymous.
Polycube Good points. Thanks.
Thank you very much for this content! I had a rough time identifying myself. Now I am one step closer to fully understand my personality.
I have had 3 ex girlfriends who thought I had Asparagus. I have seen a psychiatrist and I do not have it at all. But this makes a lot of sense
thesphere83 Thanks for the comment.
You must taste pretty bad then, eh?
I love asparagus, a little olive oil salt and pepper with steak
I'm a cross between INFP and INTP. It's a very odd experience to say the least but a lot of what they said resonates with me. At times I wondered if I had some sort of mental disability and no one told me and I was unable to recognize it on my own, I just knew I felt vastly different from others and, yes, misunderstood. I was also diagnosed with ADD when I was young but after I stopped taking medication my performance in school really improved and I felt as though my label was inhibiting me to do well as well as the medication. It's strange but a LOT of what was said just within the first two minutes is incredibly relatable. Of course at the same time I feel like these videos are made to be relatable to a lot of people. Can't completely explain it but I do feel as though I'm being advertised to, like they're just trying to make me feel good so I'll g and do what they want. It feels very, mmmmmm, idk, fake, like they're trying to butter me up for lack of better words.
I'm an INTP and I have every issue that you listed. I'm an extreme history buff and I'm extremely good with science and I have corrected the teacher multiple times, the other students would laugh at me and my teachers would not approve. I would not call myself a wiz, but I flew a plane before I drove a car, and I knew everything in my freshman history before middle school.
+Weega Wow. How did you come to fly a plane so early in life? That sounds like an interesting story.
Joel Mark Witt During a doctors appointment for my life threatening allergy to penuts we started talking about what I wanted to do in my future and I brought up something about how I wanted to work in transportation when I grew up and then it went on to be a conversation about transportation from air while I was waiting for something from a nurse. ( its been so long I forget ) and the doctor said something about the airport in my city having a flight training program. I joined that and my flight instructor was a former Vietnam war huey pilot. My whole pilot thing was just because I went off topic talking to a doctor. It's amazing that these small things can make such huge impacts on lives.
***** I hate being a passenger too. It's funny how when I learn how to do something, I hate other people doing it for me.
what a great summary. it's important you hit on the need or ability to take that next step to grow and develop as an INTP, because if we don't realize what we can bring and develop it, then life's tough. those INTPs that get too heavy on the laziness need to break out of that
I liked the part where you called me amazing, thanks.
+Paul Nope Cool. Thanks for watching and for the feedback.
Once I looked into what my personality is and looked up stuff about it, I said "Holy sh*t, I'm not crazy. People have always said I'm crazy or am weird- but I'm not. This is an actual thing!". All this time, people, friends, and family have always looked at me like I'm wrong in the head, and I forced that into my brain as a fact. This made me depressed for so long, but nothing's wrong with me. There are people who think the same way I do! Thanks, this just saved me a load of time in my life.
+CelticMiner99 Thanks for the feedback.
holly shit I'm an extreme intp and everything you described is the definition of me
Thanks for the feedback.
You know u r an intp when u are excited hearing she talking about exploration will bring u more information and data.
I just starting paying attention to matters outside my own destructive mental vortex for about a month now so I may be behind the times. I sense a needed shift in medical psychology and psychology at whole.
Do you mean, you're starting to look outside your own reality distortion tunnel? Cause that's one of those things that's a game changer.
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I think that saying INTPs are completely detached from the emotional aspects of data collecting is half-true. I think if something comes to destroy out preconceived understanding, we can get really defensive. But when we have enough time to digest that new info, we are a lot more understanding of it.
I'm an intp and u r right we r terably misunderstood thank u
Thanks Logan for the feedback.
I loved this video. As an INFP I watched this video in order to understand my INTP friend more than I already do. And I've known her since the fourth grade. I just want to know how she works, and a lot of this matched up with her sort of "patterns"
I didn't start speaking until i was 5 years old and my mum ended up taking me to so many faith healers lol
Einstein did not start speaking until very late too.
Anna Xia I must be destined for great things then XD
Thank you sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!!!! this will be the push I needed to actually go out and explore.. I've been holed up due to the fear of perpetual rejection that I haven't even seen my own skills and positive traits myself. Taking risks is necessary to truly make the most out of the genius that intps seem to be gifted with.
This INTP bets your analytics tells a secret ~7:44
Good video though, a bit anecdote overload for INTP, but still accurate.
Thanks Chris Schiebelbein for the feedback. It's always a tricky balance being accessible to non-INTP types that might watch and also remain hard core accurate for the INTPs themselves.
Joel Mark Witt absolutely a tricky balance, especially as we combat our own preferences for giving explanation (try not giving a highly complex paragraph if information as INTP) :)
Also not much a respect more than someone who is willing to give a response ^.^ - Thanks
Thank you for this video.I cried happy tears yesterday when I first saw this video especially because she said 'you guys are amazing'and all that and its nice to know that even though I may not be at the point where I am stronger socially that there are non intp people who are definite supporter types for our own growth and development so Ijust wanna say-YOU all are amazing for your compassion and empowering emotional belief in us.God bless you two!
from what I've noticed, intp's tend to be better looking then average.
why thank you
yes i'm sexy thanks for reminding me ^_^
Maybe that has to do with the fact that we do care about how we are seen by others. We don't like the concept of trying to look good, but we feel we should do it anyway. At least to some degree.
how does a personality type affect looks? except taking care of yourself etc that can effect it somewhat. its like saying people with red as favourite color are better looking than average... quite ridiculous
... your thinking of it the wrong way round, not that i agree with the idea. But looks could affect personality because you will interact with the world differently based on the way you look.
Someone who dismisses ideas as ridiculous because they cant see any the nuances doesn't seem very intp to me...
Everything affects everything the world is just too complex to see how, still worth trying to understand it.
I am an INTP, and have relatively higher IQ (135), surrounded by rigid sensors my entire life, profoundly misunderstood and neglected to be even equally valued as person. I am totally cool with it for a while now, took me long, but never late. though listening to this, for a brief moment that I let myself feel on sensitive subjects, did brought a couple tears to my eyes... I think I'm telling it on behalf of all who are on the path to growth, you are remarkable, and valuable people. may god bless you with a wonderful life, as for your wonderful dedication for spreading beauty. ❤💞
Wanted to thank the two of you (and the total crew behind the scenes) for bringing eyesight , as for people are blind without knowledge.
on the side note, if you could shed some light on ADD, and the connection to INTP, I would greatly appreciate it. I believe I have ADD, but there is doubt for its certainty with INTP's. how can a person be decisive about it. big fan 😊
Ironically, I'm the ONLY one in a pack of 6 siblings that have not seen a psychiatrist. Mainly because I did not ever want to. None else in my family is an INTP, that's for certain.Edit; + Hating the concept of money and how that works, I'm not sure I'm willing to pay for that information on your website without knowing it actually will help. I need data. Proof. Perhaps a fellow INTP who can attest to the legitimacy of this information and how 'helpful' it is.
***** Fair enough. Why not just read a few articles and hang around? No pressure to invest any money or such.
Here's an article that might make sense:
www.personalityhacker.com/intp-vs-intj
We will also be producing a full podcast on INTPs in the near future. Stay tuned.
Joel Mark Witt Cheers, I'll certainly stick around.
***** I agree about not wanting to pay for access to information without already having a more concrete idea of its inherent value. In my case, I recently turned 30, now have a mortgage and have finally had to replace the car that I have been driving for the last ten years, and while I think there might be some value in what these guys are doing that I could specifically apply to my current job situation... They are asking for $67 for an unspecified amount of data?
The people who can afford that are generally going to be people who either go broke buying every self-help book that they see or people who have so much money that they don't know what to do with it all anyway.
That being said, this video introduction was pretty good in and of itself. I, for one, appreciate it a lot because I can share it with my INFJ sister so that she can use this as another tool for mediation between INTP me and my INFP mother. :D
Joel Mark Witt I read an article stating that Intjs where less common then intps so i assumed that meant they where smarter and after listening to this video i now know that intps have the highest iq out of all the types (Thank god i hate being common) PS: I'm an intp
Golden Frieza The average INTP might, but there's both stupid and smart INTPs as well. But yeah, be proud of your INTP-ness, but don't box yourself in :p Capable of much more than what the INTP descriptions provides.
The worst feeling is that I feel like I have some type of gift, some type of potential to make an impact and change everything if I wanted to.
But I don't care.
I seriously don't care for reality.
I'm always in my mind; trapped and thinking about everything and anything that doesn't have to do with reality. Why? Why can't I push pass myself and think about my future? I literally can't become fixated with reality.
But I learn everything so quick, I learn so much, I can become so much if I just gave a damn about anything AT ALL. BUT I CAN'T.
I have to disagree with various points on this.
1. Statistically, INTJs have the highest iq -with 37% chance of being among the 2% of the most brilliant people in the world, whereas INTPs have 20% chance.
2. It is ridiculous to generalize an MBTI type with personality disorders; for instance, it could be said that people suffering from asperges syndrome are likely to be istx, as they are extremely logical and they cannot understand reasoning. However, any introvert could suffer from autism, not necessarily an intp.
3. INTPs do not at all clean/organize their thoughts and ideas, instead, they flow in an unstructured manner. They do not only base off on facts/data, but they tend to analyze them thoroughly and implement their own theories.
4. They do not see the world as it is -that would make them observant rather than intuitive. It is quite the opposite; they are extremely abstract thinkers.
5. Most of them do not care about reputation to such an extent, perhaps recognition and respect is somewhat important to them, depending on the person and the situation, but it is not absolutely vital, as of a craving.
~An INTx who knows an INTP really well
Riya Bisht Thanks for the comment. I'm curious about point #3 in particular. How are you arriving at the conclusion that INTPs do not organize their thoughts and ideas?
I know various INTPs and it has made me realize that they prefer to express their ideas in a mind map (connect everything) sort of way, whereas INTJs or ISTJs, for example, present their ideas in some sort of scheme (point by point, sustenting each one) Joel Mark Witt
Thanks for the reply. I guess I would still see that as organized information in a non-linear fashion.
It's my perspective that data can be organized linearly and non-linearly. Perhaps, you mean to say that INTPs have less need for sequencing and can work with random access points??
Riya Bisht such a wishful thinking from INTJ
but I hate to break it to you but we are smarter.
The Truth Haha, love this provocative nature of ours, especially in the internet. I'm not the only one, am I?
Thank you for this. I totally agree with expanding your exploration process as being critical for personal growth.
+cherrybomb921 Thanks for the feedback.
I dislike the mention of IQ right in the beginning. This needlessly flatters the ego, is irrelevant to the matter of personality, and there's actually not a smarter MBTI type than another as there are various types of intelligence and smartness.
+baerabas I could totally see INTPs feeling like it was flattery. Thanks for the feedback.
Amazing, Antonia!! Very! Joel did well too! Well-done!!
INTP don't care about reputation
They care when they have to deal on a regular basis with most people.
Adrian Tomole true,i do but when it wasn't the case i didn't care at all
I do
I don't care about reputation when is seen from a social perspective, like you have to fit in a box or a prototipe... It's more like "I want the world recognizing and acknowledging what I DO or SAY, I want them to see that as useful as possible and apply it to their lifes". I want to be intellectualy acknowledged.
Otherwise, I really don't care how people see my clothes, my hair, my acting or my personality; don't care if they think I'm shy or socially awkward, or that I have a killing way to look at you 😆. It doesn't matter to me if I don't fit stereotypes.
Pfft i do.
You guys are on point with very much information on tip to deliver. I hope you resume making videos soon.
As an INTP my IQ is 113 which is pretty average, So for me there aren't really any perks. Not only am I a social outcast but I am also not that smart.
Most people are 100 so a your s bit smarter than others
I'm an INTP, and this makes feel alot better about myself to know that I am normal
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION.
I tested as INTP (servile times, i like being sure) but I'm terrible at mathematics, science or writing my academic thoughts on paper (non creative) i am fairly dyslexic, so i'ld like to believe that it's the reason for my lack of "academic" strength. But what i would like to know is, if an INTP can have the same thinking processes but place it in a more artistic creative mind set instead of a scientific or academic one? if not then my self evaluation skills are sufficiently lower then i believed.
Thanks Bianca Winston for the question. One of the key things we emphasize at Personality Hacker is that any type is capable of being creative. We don't believe type (by definition) limits anyone's creativity.
Of course - this is our belief based on anecdotal evidence, profiling hundreds of people over the course of the past five years, and talking with other typology experts.
So two opposite types can be creative.
The behavior is the same - yet the way each type ARRIVED at that behavior is different. This is why we spend a lot of effort and time focusing on the cognitive functions... they give an insight into the actual mental processes of the mind - not just the behaviors that emerge from those mental processes.
And... also... there is always room for an error rate in a written test. So there is a possibility that you are not an INTP.
Why worry about academics if they aren't that interesting to you? Just pursue those things you love.
Thougts?
Joel Mark Witt
thank you so much for writing back to me, but i'm not quite sure as to how I'm going to reply.
I do understand what you mean, that written tests can be faulty, so how would you recomend going about learning my personality type and how i function at my base? I know that knowing my personality type is, isn't going to change the world, but i am someone who self evaluates quite a bit and i like to know how people function.
Because of my Dyslexia i've done tests for my academics and help research purposes, so wanting to learn how i function and learn has always bin quite a significant part of my life and who I am. i've also been diagnosed for ADHD but as I'm getting older i feel as if i don't fit the profile quite right.
I think i might be some one with "haut potentiel" (research is happening mainly in Belgium) i have no clue what it is in english (don't google translate it, it's not correct, to this particular meaning) but i believe it might be similar to Low latent inhibition (maybe the same thing i've just started to look into LLI.
www.douance.be/douance-ahp-caracteristiques.htm (you can google translate :)
i'm saying all this because I'm truly perplexed on how I function. i know i don't think through things the same way as my pears i know this because 1) i've been told 2) i just know i don't view things the same way as others especially my own age group. So i'm trying to go back to my personality base and work my way up if that makes scenes.
i do enjoy academics, I'm just terrible at it, i hate the fact that i have a hard time retaining logical information like mathematics and science. i use to think i hated math but know i know that i just don't like the fact that i can't remember it for more than a day ( I'm not exaggerating, i can solve some problems in class but by the time i get home for my H.W. it's gone, and i can no longer remember the process)
Thanks again for taking the time to write back to me, it truly appreciated.
I do apologize for the length :) I seem to have written a letter instead of a comment. I hope you don't mind.
No worries. Glad to see a long comment because it shows a great discussion.
We are getting ready to release a series of articles on our website about how to really determine your type.
Here's an article we just published that I think would be a great place to start:
www.personalityhacker.com/when-you-almost-know-your-personality-type/
Thank you.
When I was in Elementary school teachers would always have meetings with my parents on how different I was and my parents always thought I had some disorder
anybody know how live in this world being intp?
Ieva pieva Here are two podcasts we've done (so far) about INTPs
www.personalityhacker.com/phq-questions-intp-vs-entj
www.personalityhacker.com/intp-vs-intj
I have never been so understood in my entire life. I'm so grateful for the Myers-Briggs system for getting to the roots of who I am.