Rapier final at Swordplay 2022

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  • I've managed to reach the Rapier finals at Swordplay 2022. I am facing off with Terca's own instructor - Željko Glumac.
    The last time I was there I also reached the finals and won the Silver medal.
    Scoring provided according to the judges' calls.
    Angel Chernaev is a historical fencing instructor from Sofia, Bulgaria.
    / angel.chernaev
    / angel.swordsmanship
    www.angel-swordsmanship.com/a...
    Any feedback is appreciated.
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  • @purpleteaisme
    @purpleteaisme Рік тому +10

    Congrats in reaching the finals! Also a fun(entertaining) final clash between you two.
    Overall I have no words except that you both did great(Well at least to my inadept eyes.)

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  Рік тому +1

      Thank you. It was massive fun for me too. Zeljko is much more of a rapier fencer, I was mostly trying to displace and cut up. No way I beat him if I focused on binds and thrusts.

  • @StarBoundFables
    @StarBoundFables 4 місяці тому +8

    This was really cool to see as my 1st HEMA rapier tourney footage, thanks

  • @LeRoyt97
    @LeRoyt97 10 місяців тому +9

    Never fenced before, but I love how patient you seem. Especially at 4:16.
    Also, couldnt help but feel so bad for Željko during that last exchange. Very unlucky.

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  10 місяців тому +4

      Thank you.
      Yes, sometimes weird things happen in fencing. I forced the exchange with the leg cut and he stumbled on his blade

  • @milanmilacic9311
    @milanmilacic9311 Рік тому +7

    I was rooting for Željko, but I must admit you were better, would like to see you next year as well

  • @VNSnake1999
    @VNSnake1999 13 днів тому +2

    this is SO MUCH COOLER than Olympic fencing !

  • @BernasLL
    @BernasLL Рік тому +9

    Interesting to watch, cool ruleset and great editing!
    Also, very competent judging!

  • @DctrBread
    @DctrBread Місяць тому +2

    nice to see such clear 60fps footage

  • @user-bx8py3nc4g
    @user-bx8py3nc4g 8 місяців тому +8

    Not much of a rapier fight but a good sidesword play.

  • @vicnighthorse
    @vicnighthorse 8 місяців тому +1

    I like how this was presented so that my old slow eyes and brain learn what actually happened. Slow-motion replays are wonderful. Thanks.

  • @evanyes5762
    @evanyes5762 Місяць тому +1

    If only HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) would be in the Olympics, I would watch it.

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  Місяць тому +1

      It's not very likely that HEMA will join the Olympics anytime soon and there is quite the "movement" against it happening ever.
      And Olympic fencing isn't a very watched sport anyways.

  • @DenysBuryi
    @DenysBuryi 6 місяців тому +2

    Beautiful fight, never trained hema, but can't wait to. To my eye your economy of movement was what won the fight, it's beautiful to watch. Beautiful leg work too.

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you, it was a really enjoyable fight. Economy of movement is a major point in all fencing and plays a big role.

  • @otamatonefan8996
    @otamatonefan8996 9 місяців тому +3

    I always wished that the rapiers i used for fencing practice lessons (on a few school trips) were more solid like those ones you two used.
    Better precision, more consistent blocking, deflecting, parrying, and moving with sideways and vertical momentum of any kind doesn't dramatically raise a chance the blade would miss even if your hand movement and aim is steady and perfect.
    Instead we got the usual flexible wobbling rapiers that 95% of the time missed a clear easy stab because the blunt tip decided to wobble the blade and point it in another direction.
    (Most videos only show flexible rapiers anyways, which sucks tbh.)

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  9 місяців тому

      These can be pretty solid in the bind and have very little wobble, though one can certainly flick with them if they so wish to. Still flexible enough in the thrust as to be safe for fencing.

    • @otamatonefan8996
      @otamatonefan8996 9 місяців тому +3

      ​​@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing sounds great. Shame i couldn't use that kind to get to put my dexterity and cunning to the fullest test.
      7:47 was pretty interesting too. Almost got a double-sided hit on the neck, front and back, but barely missed the grab to push the rapier.
      (On a side note, this video makes Olympic (floppy) Fencing look goofy and weird.)

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  9 місяців тому +2

      @@otamatonefan8996 Thanks, it was an interesting one for sure.
      I am not sure I would say Olympic is weird but it's decently different. Much lighter weapons and very noticeably different rulesets for the most part.

  • @setscet
    @setscet 3 місяці тому +2

    Really want to try this sometime. I do epee sport fencing, which is really similar (whoever pokes first gets a point), it goes a bit faster but the blades are so much lighter in that (car antennas) that I'm curious how it feels to use a more historical sword.

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  3 місяці тому +1

      Sport fencers tend to transition very well into historical swordsmanship so if you want, you should give it a try.
      Have in mind that rulesets may differ depending on locations and weapons. Also usually rapier (as is here) also allows cuts even if they are more limited as targets or points than thrusts.

    • @setscet
      @setscet 3 місяці тому

      @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Epee rulesets are very similar since there's not really priority rules, the difference being there's only thrusts and only single points can be earned. I think cuts wouldnt be too big of a learning curve because I've done a bit of sabre too and that's the main objective there. I can say from experience it's much easier to land a cut, hence why sabre is "faster" than foil (losing priority if you initiate an attack is less likely) and why epee is the most "patient" (counterattacks work, so you can't rely on initiative giving you protection).

  • @noahpopal3058
    @noahpopal3058 Рік тому +3

    This is why i love rapier

  • @superiorhema
    @superiorhema Рік тому +2

    Great match! I liked the judging for that, where's that tournament?

  • @owberserker6582
    @owberserker6582 Рік тому +1

    Congrats !

  • @KnightedDawn
    @KnightedDawn Рік тому +2

    What rapiers did you use? Were they provided by the event?

  • @05comiti37
    @05comiti37 Рік тому +6

    7:59 Love this one lol

  • @Primalintent
    @Primalintent 6 місяців тому +2

    What gloves do you use?

  • @saltyfruits3961
    @saltyfruits3961 3 місяці тому

    What does it mean when he points at you?

  • @roynexus6
    @roynexus6 2 місяці тому

    Judging by the footwork and the cuts, the red armband seems to come from Kendo background.

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  2 місяці тому +1

      Interesting assumption, I wonder why you think that.
      For clarity - it’s me and I have had a single Kendo training session that was about 10 or so years ago.

    • @roynexus6
      @roynexus6 2 місяці тому

      I so your stance fit parallel, facing forward and somewhat on the balls of your feet, plus thrust and cut combinations. My bad, I guess I read too much in to all that.

  • @neodoodle3334
    @neodoodle3334 Місяць тому

    idk how a guy getting headshot and knocked over is no exchange, but otherwise was rad :D

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you. No sword hit seen = no exchange.
      Have in mind I’ve shown the official score even if I would score it differently from the video.

    • @neodoodle3334
      @neodoodle3334 Місяць тому

      @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing that makes sense, and thank you for the additional knowledge cheers my friend

  • @josephgora9791
    @josephgora9791 8 днів тому

    First up, well done to both players. I doubt I'd last long against either of you. I will say though that I find it a bit disappointing that this is so little like rapier in the historical manuals. All cuts and running/aggressive passing attacks with very little lunging. I see more sidesword and even some broadsword methods being used. Of course it may be that this works well in a modern tournament setting. I don't want to say that it is 'worse', and certainly both players are highly skilled (some great use of timing and quick footwork), but I think this discrepancy and the direction of HEMA rapier should lead to further analysis and conversation - if nothing else.

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  8 днів тому +1

      Thank you for your comment. I have no idea how rapier is supposed to look like and a lot of people have very different opinions on that. For my part I study arming sword and Longsword and only play rapier very occasionally and at competitions.

    • @josephgora9791
      @josephgora9791 8 днів тому

      @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Thanks for your reply! I'd imagine you are an excellent sidesworder. One of the things I think about is to what extent the mission of HEMA is to reconstruct European martial arts as compared to create a competitive environment where martial skills are tested. I guess the assumption is that these goals will coincide, but there is always the possibility that these two goals will end up in conflict.This is not criticism of your fencing, btw! If people start winning rapier wth sidesword methods then that is something traditional rapierists will have to honestly deal with, and thats where the question of what we are trying to achieve comes to the fore. I suppose from a personal perspective I've been doing this for 33 years and am very curious as to the direction it takes (and has already taken - mostly for the better).

    • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
      @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing  7 днів тому +1

      Not much of a sidesword fencer actually. It seems the semi-complex hilt bugs me a bit compared to the open hilts of the arming sword. At the same time it’s not really protected as the ones of rapiers.
      For the second part I would say it’s about personal choices and goals. People doing HEMA can have all sorts of ideas of what and why they are doing it. I want to recreate the fencing itself but am in no way focused on the historical teaching methodology. How accurate my interpretation of the sources is unknowable as far as I am concerned. The context of the time period is gone and I only truly have the current one - fence with friends in gear to try to hit them without being hit. That being said I have very little interest in competitions themselves and they were never my goal. Just another place to fence under pressure and with something “to win or lose”.

    • @josephgora9791
      @josephgora9791 4 дні тому

      @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Fair enough! I work and fence with basket hilts and have often wondered how much of a difference it would be to fence with a simple hilt. I must make one one day (making swords is also a hobby!)

  • @johnwaller3146
    @johnwaller3146 6 днів тому

    Very cutty fencing for a thrust-centric weapon

  • @griffoncs6431
    @griffoncs6431 9 днів тому

    These rings seem way too small. The duelists can't even move.

  • @waltersickinger1499
    @waltersickinger1499 4 місяці тому

    Zzzzzzzz......

  • @adulting5369
    @adulting5369 8 місяців тому +1

    really boring cause so much could happen just sloppy