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Cakewalk SONAR vs Cakewalk by BandLab (Should You Switch?)
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- Are you still hesitant to make the leap from Cakewalk SONAR to Cakewalk by BandLab? Hopefully this will help assay your fears and allow you to make a better decision when migrating from SONAR to BandLab.
In this video I answer some of the most frequently asked questions including:
☑ Is Cakewalk by BandLab the same program as SONAR Platinum?
☑ Is it really free?
☑ Will I lose any SONAR features I paid for?
☑ Will SONAR be updated?
☑ Can I keep SONAR if I install Cakewalk?
☑ Does Cakewalk by BandLab require an Internet connection to work?
☑ Have existing bugs in SONAR Platinum been fixed in Cakewalk by BandLab?
☑ Will Cakewalk by BandLab support my SONAR Platinum plug-ins?
☑ Why do I need a BandLab account?
☑ Does this mean I have to be active on BandLab’s social music platform?
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You have answer some excellent comparison questions. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Your channel has helped me a lot on different parts of recording.Thank you a lot and wish you a very luck on your channel success.
Thanks man! I’m glad to be able to help!
Thank you for the information. It has answered many questions that I had about upgrading from Sonar to Bandlab. I appreciate you sir!
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video, Robert, very informative.
I love Cakewalk, the fact that every plugin I throw at it works perfectly well and all the features like comping, automation of effects, sends, production elements like piano roll, staff view and many other feature are all there in a free DAW, it's just mind blowing.
I feel like Cakewalk is the younger cousin of Pro Tools and the awesome thing is that it's just as powerful and totally free.
Yes sir! Someday soon it will be thought of as well as it should be.
Robert! Your videos are Rad! Very helpful and to the point. Do you have or can you do a video on Pan Laws?
Sounds fun!
You’ve remixed you mic and it sounds great!
Thanks man!
Thank you very much.
Thank you for this video! My biggest concern about Cakewalk by Band Lab has been the possible loss of existing instruments and plug ins. That’s why, for over 4 years now, I haven’t switched over. The Sonar interface is SO user friendly and intuitive, I’m glad Band Lab has maintained this format and design.
Your video has given me the confidence to know I can switch over without any loss of functionality or currently saved projects.
Again, thank you!
👍🏼 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Awesome! If you need any help let me know!
@@Homestudiosimplifed I’ve saved your video for future reference. 😊
Sounds to good to be true I have Sonar 8.5 not platinum. Can I still upgrade and keep all my 3rd party and existing plugins when upgrading from Sonar 8.5?
How to connect external editor to bandlab? I have sound Forge 9. After select audio clip and choose from menu sf9 a sf9 run and nothing, no clip to edit
Does it work on a Mac Mini? Awesome video!
Gee I wish I can make music again? But my Sonar x3 doesn't work anymore because I can't register it? So i downloaded Cakewalk by Band Lab, well everything went great until I was dealing with latency problems. So i installed Asio 4 All. So I did that then everything went to Hell. I was getting totally no playback. no matter what I did? Then after that cakewalk by Band Lab wasn't working at all so I had to uninstall it along with Asio 4 All. so I spent and wasted more time by reinstalling Cakewalk by Band Lab 3 more times. which was not successful I have no idea what had just happend? Do you know on what I can do?
Is there a hardcopy of the latest (2020+) book available somewhere? I just checked Amazon & all the books are over a decade old!!
Hello. I am a Sonar Platinum user. Does anyone have knowledge about the CommandCenter application and its future? Should I worry that they will disable it and I won't be able to reinstall the software? For now, I want to stick with this version, but I'm slowly looking for another DAW.
I would be grateful for any hint.
Regards.
I have an old SONAR PRO version 4 will it be compatible with the new Cakewalk BandLab?
Just simply install the new Cakewalk right on top of the old and you keep everything, annnd gain all the new!
Thanks for the video. I have Sonar X2, will replacing this one be as hassle free as Sonar Platinum?
It was for me! What’s even cooler, if you install this one right on top of the other, you get to keep all of your 3rd party plugins.
I started out with Protools as my daw, then Steinberg Wavelab was my daw, then Acoustica Beatcraft was my daw, then FL Studio for the LONGEST time was my daw, now I'm trying out Cakewalk and I like it pretty good.
Awesome!
I have a computer that I am replacing with a new one. I have Sonar Platinum installed on the old machine. How do I go about using the old plug-ins installed on the Sonar Platinum with the new machine? To add an additional problem, the email I used for the old program was dropped due to costs (mindspring charged $12 a month so my wife and I could use our names in our email account). Do I have a solution?
Post this in my Discord! There is someone in there that can help as they just done this.
discord.gg/gwSdPdX4
My favourite Sonar-only included plugins are the Nomad Factory Blues Tubes Bundle and Addictive Drums 2, both of which you can buy from the developers, but of course, that would mean spending money :-)
Yes!!! I am sold on AD2! They sound so amazing!
Hi, I have a little question: Can you make a special video about midi in Cakewalk? Because often when I tried to use CbB I ran into some trouble when it came to such things as: Midi-editing, Midiloop creation (while drawing notes), having just the loop selected area, having a starting point at c9, and not being able just to draw a clip to edit a tiny clip to be midi loop.
I'm an Ex-Cakewalkuser and that is one of the things I found Cakewalk really lacking when working on more electronical projects. Though I'm realy happy that they solved some stability issues like "autoclose when trying to use vital". Cool videos and keep your head up:)
I have covered that here:
ua-cam.com/play/PLwqZ0GPSfFgbc8gLCxaYngRGVvlaf57gI.html
Direct link: ua-cam.com/video/IdC3SycjGI8/v-deo.html
Hi Robert
Thanks for the demo. I am very new to the Cakewalk daw. But I have used other brand daws before. I was impressed watching people using the previous version from Sonar.
When I downloaded I noticed I would have got the newer version. The question I have is how do I import a plug-in or a file in to cakewalk. I have seen Export option. Couldn’t find the import function. If you have already discussed please send my the link
Thanks
ua-cam.com/play/PLwqZ0GPSfFgbc8gLCxaYngRGVvlaf57gI.html
Thats good 👍
Thanks man!
The Nomad Factory Blues Tubes Bundle works perfectly in CbB. I still use them in most of my projects. Honestly I can say that as of today, with all the new updates, CbB is far better than Sonar Platinum. I do a lot of progressive music with tempo changes and 20+mn projects and it used to crash a lot with Sonar Platinum. Since CbB came I've had no more crashes. It's as you said, phoenix rising from the flames!
That’s my experience exactly and it is only getting better!
I'm not able to download my old cakewalk plugins from my account anymore. Any suggestions on how I can get dimension pro? It's almost like they have disabled the download feature.
Yeah... they've discontinued support of it. Send me an email and I'll see what (if anything) that I can do.
I have a long history with Cakewalk from when it was a sequencer only for Windows 95.
I’m still using Sonar 8 Producer on a WindowsXP box.
I bought Sonar Platinum for $500 just before it went belly up. Never used it since my XP system still runs.
Now I’m considering buying a new computer to install Cakewalk by Bandlab.
Any videos on specing one out?
I'm like you, I started out with Sonar 5 and used 8.5 for years just because it was relatively flawless. One of the biggest reasons I moved on to a newer version was the compatibility with new VSTi's. Some of the 3rd party VSTi software was not compatible with the version that I had. Now there's VSTi 3 which includes Kontakt player (with plugins) and Waves Complete. The sound quality of the newer VST and VSTi's is exceptional. It blows my mind at how great these VST's sound these days and that, alone, made it well worth the upgrade.
I switched over from Platinum to Band Lab about a month ago.
All of the Platinum plugins and extras were there and it seems to be more stable. So far, so good!
I've always had one question though, which is why I didn't change earlier. I guess I still have the same question now...
How is it free? What's in it for Band Lab to give away and update a program that I paid $500 for??
Great question! For this reason I made this: ua-cam.com/video/S4FlUUyG5T8/v-deo.html
@@Homestudiosimplifed Thanks. That was a good video. I know they gather analytics from our usage of the program. How deep that goes? Im not sure.. l had read during my bit of research before switching, just as you said.. that they don't sell your info to 3rd parties.. l wouldn't like that and probably wouldn't have switched..
You also mentioned in that video that they
..that they put more horse power into SI Drums and SI Bass.. Did they update the sounds of those vsti's or are they the same as they were in Sonar?
I can also attest that free doesn't mean "cheap." Because, when l bought Sonar X1 Producer and later, the paid update to Platinum from X3, my total investment was around $550 and the program was worth the money.. Band Lab doesn't include AD2, Breverb, Melodyne or alot of the vitual synths, but the core program appears to be more stable and there's still alot of the other goodies from Platinum like the pro channel and a bunch of the modules that were $50 each...
@@nodaysback8390 I believe they just updated the coding to make them more dependable
I wonder if this is why whenever I first start the older cakewalk sonar professional I play it and if I stop playing the program freezes... once I restart the app it works fine... I'm gonna see if I can upgrade to the new one...
You won’t be let down!
I still use the final version of Cakewalk Sonar Platinum from before the end of Cakewalk under Gibson, and the Bandlab takeover. I installed Cakewalk by Bandlab, (mostly out of curiosity), but honestly haven't seen much of a difference between the two in "real-world" use, especially in the claimed "stability" and "bug fix" department. I've honestly never noticed any stability issues with Sonar Platinum over the years and can't recall the last time I came across an issue I would call a "bug", but maybe I've just been lucky.
I love the old Sonar X3
You didn’t specify or talk about any of the CPU system requirements needed to upgrade to Cakewalk BandLab. I am running ‘Cakewalk Express’ that came with Windows XP. Can I upgrade to Cakewalk BandLab from Cakewalk Express on Windows XP?
I would not recommend it
Will my old sonar platinum projects open in the new band lab version. I’m referring to the cwp files.
Absolutely!
Be sure to install the new Cakewalk right on top of the old!
@@Homestudiosimplifed How do you do that? As in is there a wrong way to install Cakewalk that would not allow me to use all of my plugins and old project files? Thanks in advance.
Can we use the songs for selling and commercial purposes made in cake walk........
Will there not be any problem
Please reply
Yes absolutely!
@@Homestudiosimplifed why professional do not use this software they choose paid software for production
I was very happy with Sonar X3. My hard drive bombed out - backups too - and I upgraded to Cakewalk by Bandlab. Very impressed. I cannot run ASIO driver mode on recording / playback though. Maybe I'm just dumb.
I only use ASIO with Cakewalk band lab. To use it, there’s 2 steps.
1st, choose your audio interface as the playback timing master and record master
2nd choose ASIO driver mode
Sorry to hear about your HD! Awsone to hear you’re finding a way around it though!
It sounds like all you need is just a little optimize tweaking. Check these out:
ua-cam.com/play/PLwqZ0GPSfFgbc8gLCxaYngRGVvlaf57gI.html
@@Homestudiosimplifed Thanks for this
@@mikesmith1290 Thanks, Mike. I got a 1st Gen Focusrite 2i2 interface. Maybe that needs to be upgraded?
What about Sonar X2 that's what I'm still running right now will it convert?
Absolutely!
What were the plugins that sonar had that cakewalk doesn't?
Full list here:
www.homestudiosimplified.com/2021/06/cakewalk-sonar-vs-cakewalk-by-bandlab.html
Can I install Cakewalk by BandLab first then Sonar platinum?
Other way around… install SPLAT first
The Adaptive Limiter: This was a go to limiter for me. However, I had to re-install Cakewalk By Bandlab when I had a serious system crash. In doing this I lost a lot of my Sonar Platinum 'extras including the Adaptive Limiter. I re-installed Platinum to try and get my Limiter. I even installed all the monthly updates that were given out and I still cannot get my limiter. Have I lost it for good? If so, is there another limiter like it? Thanks for you site. Keep up the good work!
Well brother, I believe it may be found in your excluded plugins list inside the plugin manager. Give a look there and if not, let me see if I can help. Blessings!
@@Homestudiosimplifed Hi, thanks for the reply. I was unable to find my Adaptive Limiter using your suggestion.
did you try to go to cakewalk.com and log into your old Cakewalk account? There is everything listed including your Serials
I'll suggest that asking BandLab's official support about this may yield better results than asking in this UA-cam comments section
Rob do you have to be online in order to use cakewalk by bandlab?
No sir! Once it’s downloaded you only need to go online to update if you’d like.
@@Homestudiosimplifed Missed the first part of the video. Thanks Rob
Interesting Video... Trev
Which of them is/are free?
Cakewalk by BandLab is FREE!
Wanna try it out? Here’s a direct link: drive.google.com/file/d/1Q2Yf0g86YmIbOBNKASPZ2o4LPY20_Iew/view?usp=drivesdk
What are the advantages to use Cakewalk by Bandlab rather than Sonar Platinum?
Better updates. The list is huge!
My biggest question is the future. As updates occur, previous versions cannot always open files saved by more recent versions. My SONAR X3 still runs with no issues. I have several computers in my studio. One running windows 7. SONAR X3 is very stable on that computer. If CbB ever changes to a paid subscription version will my CbB ever revert into demo mode for failure to continue to update? If so, I would forever lose my work. I am retired and will not continue to update when what I have is already working just fine.
I’ve talked with Meng (BandLabs CEO) and I can assure you his desire is to keep things free. However, just as what happened with the 2017 acquisition, they are committed to keeping their customers and fellow musicians up and running smoothly.
@@Homestudiosimplifed that does not answer the question, if I decide to shut the internet off, will my current install of CbB revert to demo mode? Does it have a timer built into it?
@@RobertWGreaves nothing will revert if offline.
@@Homestudiosimplifed, excellent to know. Thank you. I have been using both CbB and SONAR X3. And a nearby full service studio has settled on SPlat. But he has done that mostly because it is his policy to never upgrade anything in the middle of a project.
Makes sense
That's better!!! THX. Hey I upgraded tothe most recent Bandlab and the thing didn't have the one added compressor I think it was BUT...It also killed all my CAKEWALK DX plugs. They all beep in freqs . I have ALL the Cakewalk versions and bought them. Not the happiest since BandLab took over. Had to delete all those DX from a 82 track master....took a while to find that was what the problem was///I enjoyed your Michael Jackson VID! Thanks
That’s not good! I am sure there was a remedy. I’ve had no problems using any of the old plugs.
@@Homestudiosimplifed Damn. It's not on any other pro audio/video mastering tracks either. Thanks for your input. I hav't tried ot record the same plugins yet. Doing lots of editing right now. Another reason when I saw your live mix of MJ I was interested to see how you approached it. Really up front. Thanks again
@@101AOK thanks man!
I want to use CbB but I can't get it to save my project templates and layouts like Sonar.
I switched years ago from Platinum to BandLab and have had no problems at all. Have checked this out?
ua-cam.com/play/PLwqZ0GPSfFgbc8gLCxaYngRGVvlaf57gI.html
@@Homestudiosimplifed .... I'll check it out tonight. Thanks. 🙏🏻
Hi! I'm still using Sonar Platinum. So I am interested could I somehow install a new version from BandLab no interfering with old version system files at all?
Yes! Just leave all the old install files and install BandLab right on top!
@@Homestudiosimplifed No, I mean absolutely separately.
@@NoHealerJustPain ahhhh ok. The only way I know to do this would be to install them each on separate PCs.
@@Homestudiosimplifed Thank you! I get it.
Even if you install Cakewalk on the same hard drive where you installed SONAR, both programs will run independently of each other. In the 3 1/2 years that Cakewalk has been around as a BandLab product, many, many people have installed Cakewalk alongside SONAR with no issues whatsoever. There's no special trick to it, Cakewalk creates a separate folder for its executable files
I bought cakewalk sonar professional steam edition from Humble Bundle.
It had a lot of game deployment add-ons and I'm worried if I up upgrade I'll lose everything that came with it.
So long as you have the online installers you should be able to keep everything.
@@Homestudiosimplifed I just built a new pc and tried to intall cakewalk sonar professional steam edition and it not working. Bandlab emailed me saying they do not have control over the old database.The DRM cheaker just stopped working.
Because old site is locked, I can not make a new account.
Put simply it's now a brick. All DLC gone, Z3TA+ 2 and others to.
How do I rebuild what I had? Even if I get the new bandlab one it dose not have all the DLC I had with the steam edition.
Any advice on what to do?
I love cakewalk by bandlab, but i don't like smart tool. I like the original tool cakewalk 9. I work mostly in piano roll.
I use the “T” shortcut a lot to pull up the tool I need when I need it.
I wish cakewalk was
available on iMac OSX , I has sonar X3 and I love it , now I’m stuck with Logic Pro x
Sorry man…
Where is the "Link Below" that outlines the differences between Sonar and Bandlab"
This guy has a real soft mouth. Just a very soft mouth sound. Really soft mouth sound feed.
How do I update my offline computer?
You’ll have to use a USB stick and take it to an online computer. There is an option on the Cakewalk installation you have now for an offline install option.
Did I miss the big news you mentioned?
No not yet.
Something big coming huh? Any hint? Software? Hardware? and when? ;-)
🤐😎😇
@@Homestudiosimplifed OK now I'm left wondering if those emojis suggest anything. But a hardware would be cool indeed.
@@Homestudiosimplifed I'm really hoping for a chord track ala Cubase and Studio One 🤞
@@jbognap sign in and make that request! They’re really good about implementing requests from the community.
@@Homestudiosimplifed There are quite a few threads in the Feedback Loop requesting that feature. 😉
post this to the cakewalk groups on fb.
Of course!
I wonder if others are having the same problems with glitches that I am having with Cakewalk. For instance, the spacebar does not work to pause and start playback.
It’s all good on my end... maybe your buffer settings are to low?
Isn't that based on a setting in Preferences?
@@avsystem3142 that’s what I was thinking to 🤔
@@avsystem3142 Thanks. Yes, it is set in the keyboard shortcuts menu. I have it set correctly, but the problem persists. I'm afraid I'll need to do a clean install of Cakewalk, so I've begun backing up everything.
It’s not the keyboard is it?
My only question is why is sonar still on the website?
For legacy users
@@Homestudiosimplifed Do you have an email that I could contact you by to speak about business?
@@mrmalio homestudiosimplified@gmail.com
Cakewalk STILL has MIDI lag 🙁..in fact EVERY DAW I've tried has MIDI lag..with the exception of presonus studio one 🤷♂️..no lag there.
The old plug-in was TruePianos.. I may have gone from 32bit to 64 after a HD crash.
I tried getting the standalone VST but they want money for it now.. I will look into those two you mentioned.
I still have SONAR on and old PC - just because - I Do Not Like the SI Piano at all.
Awesome! Love the Lion Rampant btw
@@Homestudiosimplifed Can I make a recommendation through you to CWbB?
Find a way to make 32b plug-ins compatible with the 64b platform and watch what happens to their bottom line...
@@roncheaters 😎 they have it! It’s called BitBridge!
Yeah, i can assure you that every 32 Bit VST Plugin from Sonar is working on my PC. Even pretty old ones besides DX Plugins
@@Spliff128 same here!
ohh there is a new cakewalk program
Well... kinda. 😊 it’s basically the continuation of the same Cakewalk Sonar but better.
just left the website and sonar is still available
🤔
I'm one of those idiots who lost my sign in for the old Cakewalk. Is there no way to retrieve my account?
I believe you can choose the “forgot password” option. ???
@@Homestudiosimplifed What I am told is that if you did not create a "Single Sign On" account with Cakewalk prior to the company's closure in 2017, there is no user name and you are out of luck.
@@polanve hmmm I don’t remember doing that and I still have access.
The question in 2023: Cakewalk? Next!
I have a Band Lab account but it's not getting me anywhere? I put in my Username and it doesn't go through? Dude I'm so disappointed right now I had just wasted 8 hours of this non sence, when I should be making music?
I wish that I could buy the Sonar plug-ins
What version do you have?
@@Homestudiosimplifed … I don’t have Sonar . I have Bandlab Cakewalk
@@reggiesaidit513 ahhhh yeah. To be honest though, they are tying to add most of them back in, and the ones you’re missing are replaceable with freebies.
I'm sorry but the Cakewalk by Bandlab is buggy and faulty. It crashes a lot, while Sonar Platinum be standing strong. I've experienced this firsthand on two PC setups. Bandlab crashed so many times that I totally went back to Platinum and stayed there. Hopefully they'll fix all these bugs.
That’s fair. I’ve been a user since Sonar X1 and it’s never given me to many problems.
Keeping the free version
As of right now they’re both still free
Go buy Sonar 8.5 professional, you can still download the updates for up to 8.5.3. Sonar 8.5 hands down is the most stable version of all Sonar products! I installed Cakewalk by Bandlab and within the first hour it crashed 10 times! It's also very sluggish. Sonar 8.5 is very snappy and can do many tasks at the same time with no hiccups! ... So, do you want an extremely buggy program? Cakewalk by Bandlab is extremely buggy! I just don't have the patience or time to use that! It was able to open my recent project, but kept wanting to use Melodyne VST3 plug-in instead of the VST2 version that I used on Sonar 8.5.3. I didn't get a choice to choose the VST 2 version... So I had to disable VST 3 plug-in. It played fine for 2 minutes, then crashed. WTF? Didn't do a thing, crash. I restarted it, unfroze a track, selected that track and played with my midi...after 5 keystrokes...crash!! WTF?? Yeah... Too much crashing going on! Sonar 8.5.3 doesn't get phased at all!
I'm also puzzled by bandlab. I used to have Sonar 4 and it was really fast, and everything worked like a charm. Now using a much faster computer the bandlad crashes and doesn't even run TTS1 properly. I don't see the same program, it doesn't look like nor it behave like sonar.
@@EduardoBach01 I found out much later that allot of old Cakewalk plugins like Rapture, Boost-11, Dimension Pro will crash Cakewalk by Bandlab. I found the trick to running Rapture on Cakewalk by Bandlab is to never use the freeze button. To always create your Rapture track as quickly as possible, then export it to a wave file and reimport that file into a audio track. Then archive Rapture track. Boost-11 is just plain sorry...I bought MV2 from Waves Audio to replace boost-11.
@@GTSongwriter Rapture was great indeed. Right now I can't even get the SI-drums to run a simple midi file I created in another software.
@@EduardoBach01 I don't use SI-Drums either... Old Cakewalk Session Drummer still works, but the SI-Drums, I don't know. What kind of error you getting or how best can you describe the problem?
@@GTSongwriter Last night I finally got it to work but the midi kinda needs to be raw (no effects and other kind of information). I'll see how it goes now. Btw, the session drummer is way more advanced in my opinion.
Short answer, you don't have to switch. You can have both installed at the same time.
Sonar is no longer maintained, Bandlab is. Bandlab is very, very superior to Sonar in so many ways (features, stability, performance) that I can't imagine why anyone would not take the update, unless they've got Red Hat disease or something.
Absolutely!
I remember I bought Sonar platinum as they said I would never have to upgrade again, then they closed down!
Essentially you wouldn’t be upgrading now, it’s still Platinum only better.
Same here, I purchased Sonar Platinum Lifetime shortly prior to the discontinuation of Sonar. I suspect fraud in that instance since I think it likely that Gibson knew what was coming and milked Sonar for all they could before selling the product. The good news, however, is that previously purchased add-ons, e.g., Dimension Pro, still can be installed and used.
@@avsystem3142 yes indeed!
A million reasons to switch
Hahaha true!
Cakewalk is a win
Yea!!!
I started with Home Studio 4 XL I think and ended up with Sonar Producer X3.. I'm finally taking the plunge to BandLab stuff after seeing this video :)
am i tripping or this guy sounds like that dad bunny from Zootopia
Bandlab has taken a crap I can't even track without crackel other DAWs work fine.
BandLab... yes. Cakewalk by BandLab... still solid!
@@Homestudiosimplifed don't know what's going on with mine it just sounds bad I can't track at any sample rate
@@rickmayer4002 Please email me here: homestudiosimplified@gmail.com
@@Homestudiosimplifed I did a reinstall, Same! I tried a new project that fixed it. So I went back to the problem project I had muted tracks with plug-ins on so I shut off fx panels 1 by 1 and one, fixed it I could record quiet. So then I turned off individual pluggins and it turned out to be Spectre. Deleted.... Fine added it again.... Fine
Your sound carries way too much bass- it is 'boomy' and very annoying