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Building tubular control arms sounds like the perfect thing to watch at 12:30 am on the tractor. Thanks gingium for making the boring tractor driving less boring
I want to get to this stage in life where I'm fabricating the majority of the parts for my cars, if something breaks grab the jig and remake it, I'd probably make a few spares so if it does break I can just replace it and be set, sounds like a fun life to me
I'd suggest either triangulating the open area to the shock mount, and or gusseting the open area you are leaving a lot of area for flex under load Edit: also be careful of that new shock mount location you may run into some binding issues
I am kinda worried with how long and thin they are they are going twist or bend around the shock mounting point... if you can bend it with a leaver just using your body.. what do you think driving around in a car is going to do.. there alot of force being exerted on the suspension and it has to be just as strong if not stronger then the frame of the car. It's that the control arm is big boxy shape that has good triangulation it. The material that is comprised of is just as weak as anything you can bend into shape.. but because the structure is so big with sections of material that turns into tension sections when you try to twist it... It can easily resist bending.. (Edit..) I'm not sure, I just look at and say it's wrong because it designed with no consideration to compression forces outside of the fact they used a vary expensive steel bar...But... as a tension device its far above par for what it looks to be its intended purpose. So its really hard to tell because I'm not sure if the lower control arm is meant to be a tension or compression part in the lower suspension. I have seen designs for front suspension where the upper control arm is designed mostly to resist tension forces.. but then there the strut and lower control arm to act heavily as compression points to keep the wheel extended to where it should be.. It going to come down to if the part is ever put into a compression situation just how much force does it need to withstand, and is the other components of the system able to take those forces first. (end edit) It will be interesting to see how much brutality these control arms can withstand.. and hope he does a bit of spirited driving to test how how good his work is before he takes it out on somewhere where its hard to recover from. (Edit) Another good thought that came to me is he can use the old control arms to watch and see how durable the new control arms are.. He can just hold them up under them and see if there is any movement that deviates things from stock.
@@baloneyjusticecheezedog That bend in the control arm is bad design, makes it less stiff and weaker compared to a straight tubed CA, but honestly I really doubt it will fail. Those tubes are not small and they have a massive wall thickness. It's going to be both stronger and stiffer than the puny factory pressed sheet CAs. Both tubes of the lower CA are meant to take tension and compression as well. Upper CA forces are usually much smaller, but in a double wishbone design they experience compression too. Gingium is a fabricator, not an engineer, but he isn't stupid. He used very thick tubing to be safe even with a less than ideal design.
Have you considered building a rear crash bar? I think the car looks amazing but the rear seems unfinished. Just the fact that this car exists is awesome tho!
Hey Gingium, i really like the fabricating. When performing structural optimization i learned that in general a design that uses triangles (45°) is better than a design that uses simple rectangular connections to add rigidity. Of course this is a very general simplification of a complex topic, but you can see that in steel bridges i.e. ... May be this helps you! Greetings from germany
Companies make weld in bungs for the tube also I woulda went with the next size up heim and used a misalignment spacer to get it back to the size you needed
Congrats on hitting 500k, Caleb! I can't believe how far you and the channel have come over these past few years. Your channel is legit my only patreon subscription lol Thanks so much for the content you make, and here's to another 500k!
I don't care about what anybody says you are one of the best car fabricator on UA-cam, for a "one man show"* you gets more $#!+ done then anybody. Not just one but multiple projects car complete* then most people in 7 years. 👏👏👏
Hey brother my name is Manuel, im from Colombia, im glad to see all your videos I love your turbo Miata and its transformación is great too, a big hug brother and so many congratulations 4 your work on all your cars...Peace ✌️
The car sits higher bc the coilovers mount is on top of the control arm and not inside or on the bottom! Also gussets or 1/4 steel for reinforcements. Stamped steel is strong cause it's stamped and not a skeleton. The rods will be great but the welds over time might feel abuse.
Gotta say, Caleb, been here since 30k and I've loved every video since. But when I started watching, I never thought you'd be welding up suspension components and building cars from scratch either. Crazy. But you've definitely come a long way and you definitely put more effort into your content than most other UA-camrs and we appreciate you for it. It pays off. Congrats on 500k!
So happy for you Caleb, been here since 20k subs when you bought your first set of wheels for molly, it’s been great to to you grow not only as a channel but as a person too, here’s to another 500
Hard to say. I think he used more material, due to the wall thickness of the tubes. And its also hard to say if the simple tubular design reduces the compliance. To really answer these questions it is necessary to perform a FEM-simulation.
I've basically been Netflixing this car for the last few days. This car is really starting to become a real-life ship of theseus. Other than the body, not much of it anymore is really a miata.
I'd put a bar diagonally to prevent any front-back movement under acceleration or breaking. Also, bigger and thinner tubes would probably be more efficient in regards to stiffness to weight ratio.
I used to at ZF, we designed and manufactured the control arms for many Mazdas, including the Miata. I would strongly advise against messing around with the control arms. There's a lot of geometry that goes into the engineering of them and if the alignment is off at any one point (if memory serves, there are 42 measured spatial points on each FLCA), it can cause cascading failure to the suspension system. (Or at the very least, increased wear in your drivetrain). The problem with extending your FLCAs (front-lower control arms) like this is that it throws everything else out of whack as well. Your FUCAs are now too short, your sway bars are misaligned, and your struts and tie rods are articulating at angles they weren't designed for. This can cause warping or binding in your driveline and suspension components (both front and rear, even if it is unmodified), as well vibrations and abnormal wear that is difficult to diagnose.
omg dude ive been here since the forza days man as well :D didnt he make videos of the game Beam ng or something like that.........idk its been a while
Do a little three-way switch on the steering wheel neer your thumb for the indicators, so you don't have to reach down all the time. Plus it's ariel style.
You have to wait to tighten the control arm bolts till the suspension is loaded, aka on the ground, so the bushings don't bind into the flexed out position. I know on the inside you have heims, but the outers are regular bushings, and you don't want to tighten those with the vehicle on the hoist like that
@gingium looks good man but I would recommend gusseting the new arms in the inner corners at least for structure before powder coating so you won't have to fix it later bud keep up the good work!
You have convince me to buy a ridge wallet for my father, and maybe one for myself, so I have click on the link in the description, and I have watch the wallet, oh looking good, then I have see the price "OMFG between $75 and $125" and I have wrote this comment and came back to the video because I have not this kind of money to put in a wallet... P.S. : holy s*** only 500k sub???? OMG I was thinking you was in the millions! Your content is so great keep going!
I was wondering if the new control arms are strong enough in the forward- backward motion? Maybe it would be a good idea to add some triangular braces in them? When you accelerate the control arm is the only thing holding the tire from going forward in the wheelwell and opposite when braking. Love the videos man😍
Hey Gingium.. too lower the rear suspension two inches.. Have you thought about flip the control arms to the other sides so that the strut bottom mount is on the bottom of the control arms instead of the top? It might not work without some more welding and grind.. but if your looking to drop the suspension without spending money on new struts, that is what you can do.
What kind of steel are you using? If that's just mild steel you're going to bend them instantly offroading. They look good but material matters. A couple gussets would do you well too
Wouldn't it being taller in the rear be slightly better than lowering it at the front? Less clearance issues at the front, especially with the manifold.
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trash video
@@shalizarahman4867 no u uwi
How did you know what I wanted to get my dad
Day 400 of trying to get 500 subscribers
Building tubular control arms sounds like the perfect thing to watch at 12:30 am on the tractor. Thanks gingium for making the boring tractor driving less boring
Stay save
do a wheelie
i looked at this comment at exactly 1230 am XD
Clutch Automotive imagine a combine doing a weelie
@@jonjohnson102 Combine couldnt ever do a wheelie...they move by hydraulic motors powering the front wheels.
I want to get to this stage in life where I'm fabricating the majority of the parts for my cars, if something breaks grab the jig and remake it, I'd probably make a few spares so if it does break I can just replace it and be set, sounds like a fun life to me
Whats stopping you?
Jon Johnson probably money and time
@@jonjohnson102 money-time-responsibility as a family-job and such
nobody perfect.
Yeah if I could get to his level or higher I would be very happy and I would love my cars to death
I'd suggest either triangulating the open area to the shock mount, and or gusseting the open area you are leaving a lot of area for flex under load
Edit: also be careful of that new shock mount location you may run into some binding issues
I'm glad someone else noticed.
I am kinda worried with how long and thin they are they are going twist or bend around the shock mounting point... if you can bend it with a leaver just using your body.. what do you think driving around in a car is going to do.. there alot of force being exerted on the suspension and it has to be just as strong if not stronger then the frame of the car. It's that the control arm is big boxy shape that has good triangulation it. The material that is comprised of is just as weak as anything you can bend into shape.. but because the structure is so big with sections of material that turns into tension sections when you try to twist it... It can easily resist bending..
(Edit..) I'm not sure, I just look at and say it's wrong because it designed with no consideration to compression forces outside of the fact they used a vary expensive steel bar...But... as a tension device its far above par for what it looks to be its intended purpose. So its really hard to tell because I'm not sure if the lower control arm is meant to be a tension or compression part in the lower suspension. I have seen designs for front suspension where the upper control arm is designed mostly to resist tension forces.. but then there the strut and lower control arm to act heavily as compression points to keep the wheel extended to where it should be.. It going to come down to if the part is ever put into a compression situation just how much force does it need to withstand, and is the other components of the system able to take those forces first. (end edit)
It will be interesting to see how much brutality these control arms can withstand.. and hope he does a bit of spirited driving to test how how good his work is before he takes it out on somewhere where its hard to recover from. (Edit) Another good thought that came to me is he can use the old control arms to watch and see how durable the new control arms are.. He can just hold them up under them and see if there is any movement that deviates things from stock.
Why are you making them the same as the stock arms? What’s the point? There’s no way these are as strong as the stock ones.
Im concerned about those tiny heim joints. Probably better with big heim joints and using the sleeved collars
@@baloneyjusticecheezedog That bend in the control arm is bad design, makes it less stiff and weaker compared to a straight tubed CA, but honestly I really doubt it will fail. Those tubes are not small and they have a massive wall thickness. It's going to be both stronger and stiffer than the puny factory pressed sheet CAs.
Both tubes of the lower CA are meant to take tension and compression as well. Upper CA forces are usually much smaller, but in a double wishbone design they experience compression too.
Gingium is a fabricator, not an engineer, but he isn't stupid. He used very thick tubing to be safe even with a less than ideal design.
you need to bring this to sema
And get over the lambos and ferariiiis and race against a ford raptor
No no this thing actually drives... To advanced for sema
Bryan P. Think if forza would contact him and want to get it in to forza.
Have you considered building a rear crash bar? I think the car looks amazing but the rear seems unfinished. Just the fact that this car exists is awesome tho!
Donut needs a b2b on this car. please thumb up.
Ikr ;)
It’s confirmed probably just waiting for corona to be over
You should put more triangles in your fabrications, they're the strongest shape my dude
And make a exagon
Thought circles were the strongest shape
Hey Gingium, i really like the fabricating. When performing structural optimization i learned that in general a design that uses triangles (45°) is better than a design that uses simple rectangular connections to add rigidity. Of course this is a very general simplification of a complex topic, but you can see that in steel bridges i.e. ... May be this helps you! Greetings from germany
Companies make weld in bungs for the tube also I woulda went with the next size up heim and used a misalignment spacer to get it back to the size you needed
Congrats on hitting 500k, Caleb! I can't believe how far you and the channel have come over these past few years.
Your channel is legit my only patreon subscription lol
Thanks so much for the content you make, and here's to another 500k!
Tabs for the lower coilovers should be thicker metal. Other than that excellent work!
One day gingium will make his own motor and put it in the car he made
Billet v8 for a mid engine racing kart
Watching Caleb fabricate is entertaining and oddly satisfying...lol. Keep at it Caleb! One day you'll fabricate a whole tubular car frame!
I don't care about what anybody says you are one of the best car fabricator on UA-cam, for a "one man show"* you gets more $#!+ done then anybody. Not just one but multiple projects car complete* then most people in 7 years. 👏👏👏
It’s crazy looking back at forza 6 videos! Your channel has grown so much. Congrats man!
Hey brother my name is Manuel, im from Colombia, im glad to see all your videos I love your turbo Miata and its transformación is great too, a big hug brother and so many congratulations 4 your work on all your cars...Peace ✌️
Rallyium has come such a long way. I remembet the fred the focus days where it was super simple upgrades but it was mainly gaming videos.
The car sits higher bc the coilovers mount is on top of the control arm and not inside or on the bottom! Also gussets or 1/4 steel for reinforcements. Stamped steel is strong cause it's stamped and not a skeleton. The rods will be great but the welds over time might feel abuse.
Caleb with glasses is definitely the kind of smart dude you want making your control arms 👌
Would it be possible to do a fabrication guide? Such as what types of metals tubes to use and alike
Gotta say, Caleb, been here since 30k and I've loved every video since. But when I started watching, I never thought you'd be welding up suspension components and building cars from scratch either. Crazy. But you've definitely come a long way and you definitely put more effort into your content than most other UA-camrs and we appreciate you for it. It pays off. Congrats on 500k!
are you planing to do a rear crash bar or are you going to leave it like this ?
Thats a thing that could need if he lost control and crash in the rear
He said previously he would be doing some stuff to the back
Congratulations on 501K already on the move towards 1 Million.
This guy is amazing. He single handedly made front and rear suspension for the drift truck, and now made a FRICKING EJ AWD MIATA
You continue to impress me every video, proud of you!
Sound track for this video is amazing
Congrats mate. You’re a bit of a character so fun to watch. Helps when you do interesting stuff as well.
So happy for you Caleb, been here since 20k subs when you bought your first set of wheels for molly, it’s been great to to you grow not only as a channel but as a person too, here’s to another 500
I’m curious how much of a weight difference there is from changing the control arms.
My best guess is that you'd drop easily a kilo or kilo and a half (2-3 pounds I think? Maybe you could drop a few more if the original was bigger
@@aarontena normally going tubular you dont save weight or if you do its very little
Also Depends on what you use material wise
Hard to say. I think he used more material, due to the wall thickness of the tubes. And its also hard to say if the simple tubular design reduces the compliance. To really answer these questions it is necessary to perform a FEM-simulation.
I've basically been Netflixing this car for the last few days. This car is really starting to become a real-life ship of theseus. Other than the body, not much of it anymore is really a miata.
Your videos seriously makes my day’s so much better.
I want a spare tire trophy truck style so bad😂. Sickest build on youtube award right here
I'd put a bar diagonally to prevent any front-back movement under acceleration or breaking.
Also, bigger and thinner tubes would probably be more efficient in regards to stiffness to weight ratio.
Hey Gingium can you put a link for that four link suspension that you used for the drift truck.
There really needs to be triangulation in between both tubes. They’re going to flex under load.
5:22 I was kind of expecting you to say the jig is up
your fabrication skills are awesome now gingium
from forza boi to engineer, fabricator and racing driver
proud of you Caleb.
Yooo that's like totally tubular dude
a terrible joke, but appreciated nonetheless
I used to at ZF, we designed and manufactured the control arms for many Mazdas, including the Miata. I would strongly advise against messing around with the control arms. There's a lot of geometry that goes into the engineering of them and if the alignment is off at any one point (if memory serves, there are 42 measured spatial points on each FLCA), it can cause cascading failure to the suspension system. (Or at the very least, increased wear in your drivetrain).
The problem with extending your FLCAs (front-lower control arms) like this is that it throws everything else out of whack as well. Your FUCAs are now too short, your sway bars are misaligned, and your struts and tie rods are articulating at angles they weren't designed for. This can cause warping or binding in your driveline and suspension components (both front and rear, even if it is unmodified), as well vibrations and abnormal wear that is difficult to diagnose.
Who’s been here since way back when he was making forza videos 😂
Motorsport 6 😭
Since 10k subs
Built or bought?
I remember the AWD vs RWD vs FWD Forza Science video. It was his first video to hit 1 million views iirc
omg dude ive been here since the forza days man as well :D didnt he make videos of the game Beam ng or something like that.........idk its been a while
I feel like there should be triangulation in the middle but idk
This dude deserve more than 1,000,000 subscribers
I would definitely at some gussets or some bracing in between the inner and outer cross bar. Looks great though.
What about rear bumper and skid plate ?
Full commitment by Caleb on the chair at the beginning
Im going to love it when he races in a real rally. I would love to see him race Targa Newfoundland
You're an amazing man G. It just gets better and better.
Here since the Forza wheelie build days haha congrats on 500k
Is it me, or is every video progressively better?
Congratulation on Hitting 500K subscribers!
You deserve it always putting in quality crazy builds 500k🎉
CONGRATS for the 500K!!!
Hey congrats on half a million :)
Edit: You should get some prescription safety goggles 🥽
Keep your eye holes safe and see what ur doin
you deserve more than 500k tbh but congrats gingium! A big fan since forza days.
This is awesome man. Great work.
Glassium looks so good
You gotta bring this thing to silver lake sand dunes in MI!! Me and a bunch of friends will be there July 4-11 it’s a blast
Great thumbnail dude! I thought it was a donut media video for a second haha, soon we'll see this build on there anyway!
Do a little three-way switch on the steering wheel neer your thumb for the indicators, so you don't have to reach down all the time. Plus it's ariel style.
You have to wait to tighten the control arm bolts till the suspension is loaded, aka on the ground, so the bushings don't bind into the flexed out position. I know on the inside you have heims, but the outers are regular bushings, and you don't want to tighten those with the vehicle on the hoist like that
Congratz to 500k Subs...well done :)
No problem buddy congrats you deserve it man!👍🏻
Great job man, I just have some doubts one the suspension mounting, I think it need more support, specially to the side, to prevents any bend or crack
I've been subscribed to your channel for a while now, and I must say your Welding and Fabrication skills have 💯 improved ! great channel !!
Is there anything he cant fabium
Love the videos with your custom parts. I would suggest building a second set. In case something were to happen, cause we all know something will.
@gingium looks good man but I would recommend gusseting the new arms in the inner corners at least for structure before powder coating so you won't have to fix it later bud keep up the good work!
Congrats Gingium!
It's incredible what you managed to build without having a chop saw for all this metal ngl
At this rate the entire miata will be custom fabricated
I don't understand why this video is only patreon now and it has 3 dislikes, but no one says why they did not disliked. Lol
Going to guess we have stormtroopers who watch the channel, sometimes they miss the like button.
A couple missed the like because there is only one dislike now that its public
Pretty tubular stuff brah
I dont think my dad has changed his wallet in the whole time i've been alive
That go fish had me dead🤣🤣
Congrats on 500K
when David form dudeinblue going to review the miata
Not for a while probably
Congrats on 500k
You have convince me to buy a ridge wallet for my father, and maybe one for myself, so I have click on the link in the description, and I have watch the wallet, oh looking good, then I have see the price "OMFG between $75 and $125" and I have wrote this comment and came back to the video because I have not this kind of money to put in a wallet...
P.S. : holy s*** only 500k sub???? OMG I was thinking you was in the millions! Your content is so great keep going!
What do you mean with “celebrating with Audrey”? I think i know... 🧐😂
Brilliant idea how to build tubular arm
Great job on 500k man been here since you played forza on this channel lmao
Heyo, we miss your update logs ;)
you are SO COOL. And your an inspiration to me. Thnks 4 your vids, I look forward to them.
What benefit do these tube control arms give you? Was it to get more travel or something?
They’re somewhat smaller, lighter probably, bust most importantly they are camber adjustable.
You should do a "day in the life of Gingium video! When your not doing car stuff.
You’ve come so far I love all your videos keep it up
really bothering me that ive never seen this man bevel a single edge on any of his structural welds
I was wondering if the new control arms are strong enough in the forward- backward motion? Maybe it would be a good idea to add some triangular braces in them? When you accelerate the control arm is the only thing holding the tire from going forward in the wheelwell and opposite when braking. Love the videos man😍
Please weather proof the rear boot add some rubber lining around the side of the opening soo when driving not a lot of water is getting into the fans
Hey Gingium.. too lower the rear suspension two inches.. Have you thought about flip the control arms to the other sides so that the strut bottom mount is on the bottom of the control arms instead of the top? It might not work without some more welding and grind.. but if your looking to drop the suspension without spending money on new struts, that is what you can do.
What kind of steel are you using? If that's just mild steel you're going to bend them instantly offroading. They look good but material matters. A couple gussets would do you well too
Wouldn't it being taller in the rear be slightly better than lowering it at the front? Less clearance issues at the front, especially with the manifold.
why dont you do a plate with multiple positions for the shock? to be able to adjust height and leverage of the control arm
Someone get Gingium a drill press!!
You should brace that LCA a bit so it holds up better, don't want to twist stuff on the trail :D
I love your turbo water pump
So how did this change the alignment if the jig means you put the joints in the exact same place? You added adjustability in the heim joints?
Gingium:
I'm going to cut a piece to the exact size as the stock one
Also Gingium:
Uses Sawzall to cut piece
Awesome work🤟 Greetings from sweden🇸🇪