INSTALLATION OF A FREE STANDING GAS COOKER, gas tutorial for trainee gas engineers in training.
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2020
- Derek shows us a gas tutorial on the correct way to install a free standing gas cooker. You must be gas safe registered to be able to work on gas. this video is designed to help trainee gas engineers in their training.
doing my acs gas training and have watched 5 or 6 of your videos to refresh my memory. Much better than my tutors at the gas training centre lol Thanks mate
Great job Derek, thorough as always and proving it's not a 10 min job to install and commission!
I now know what procedures to ensure are followed when I engage a gas fitter. Excellent video. Thankyou👍
Just love your tutorials, very informative and often fill in the blanks I am missing!! Great learning prior to ACS exams.
Hey - Great video. I scoured the Internet to understand how to remove my micropoint hose. Turns out I was just too scared to pull it but you have me the confidence to do so. Keep up the good work - and know that you've made a difference today. Thank you
Excellent video, excellent for anyone who is training to be a gas engineer.
Another great video, thank you for sharing.
thank you! your videos are always packed with lots of info
One more informative video thank you Derek.
Very useful video. Thanks Derek. 😀👍
Love the informative video bud. I'd never attempt any of this myself though, but I still learned something useful.
Great video, thanks Derek👍
Excellent video Derek, that's the proper way to install a cooker by a Pro.. 👍😀
Thanks Derek great video 👍👍
Thanks for the info, great video
Good video for someone who like myself has to prepare for installation of the gaspipe through the wall into a new kitchen by drilling the hole for it prior to the gas fitter visit.
Very interesting on the blowing out subject
Thanks for the video 👍👍👍👍
As always this is a great video Derek👍
Thanks mate training now and your videos really helpful !!!
Best gas engineer on UA-cam Derek
Great video, especially regarding cooker hoses types etc. Thanks for the info. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Really good solid video .. very good all around mate .. do some more
Excellent explanation. Your installation explanation is very clear. Thank you very much. its very much useful sir.
Great vid Derek! 😁👍👍
These videos really help.. Thanks
Very useful video
Great job 👍👍
Excellent video,
Very nice as usual
Great job Derek! Very informative video for a new entrant. ‘Bilal M’ trainee at Tomcat.
Great stuff
I know this is an old video but thank you! You saved me an extra £115 install charge.
Very good video👍
I'm not a gas engineer; I've recently ordered a new gas cooker, and I found your video interesting and informative. I've watched the entire video plus adverts.
Thank you so much for teaching us non-gas engineers something (don't worry, I've hired a gas engineer from the company I've ordered the appliance from, they'll also uninstall and take away the old one).
Very engaging.
I will attempt with no experience and only my bare hands for tools thanks for the video
Great advice a the start
You tell em Derrick! 😂😂 Nice video mate.. Camilo Alcapia
You are the best
Thank you
Hi, thanks for this video! 👍
Do you always fit a new hose, even if hose passers visual inspection and is still very flexible?
Many thanks Jason gittoes
where did you get this cooker from ? Of all the cookers i bought, no one did all of that work to fit a cooker, they just came around connected the two ends in less than a minute and gone.
Hi you said that the hose must alway look down, my one is looking sideways, if I kept it that way, and made sure its nice a tight, will that be a problem or dangerous
In the future would you be able to do a video about gas MLP courses?
thank you for the video it explained what has to be done and why it costs a few bob to have a gas safe engineer install it properly. Am I correct in thinking that if you are replacing a quite ancient old cooker where the incoming gas supply is just above the skirting board, then new metal piping has to be run to get the hose connection to a minimum of 750mm above the floor?
That is correct if the manufacturers instructions don’t tell you where you can install the bayonet
Great work.. 👍🏾👍🏾 I have a doubt. I am to move in a property, I want to know how to find if their kitchen is compatible to use dual cooker. There a Red switch on the wall and states ‘Cooker’. Does it mean this switch will connect to electric part of Owen? Thanks..
Hi, please can you please give the name and brand of the paste your using on the end of the pipe which goes into the gas cooker
Came here to try and find out just how much a botch the guy who installed my gas hob and propane bottle did. Nearly a week later, having occasionally caught the whiff of gas I pulled the electric oven out from underneath and fired some kitchen cleaner at the cooper pipe junction. It immediately started buzzing and bubbling. Half the bottle of gas is gone. And I'm probably quite lucky. Obviously the bottle is now off. Obviously now I have to pay someone to come and do it properly.
When you say remove it if you think it’ll be left for long time. Do you mean take fitting off and cap?
This is a tough one. I just moved into a flat with gas and electric. The gas is a third of the cost of the electric per Kwh but then you have to factor in the cost of installing a gas cooker.
Great vid. DIY will not be insured I guess. Thanks for the education.
Tom, just a quick question. You did not fit the isolation valve nearby, do we have to ?
The bayonet is the gas isolation valve it automatically turns of the gas so the customer can remove the cooker for cleaning
Good video and informative, but aren't you supposed to do a let by test and soap spray the ECV and inlet flex to the meter to check for leaks before the meter governor every time you do a tightness test ?
Yes but I don’t show everything in my videos as I have done separate videos for tightness testing
Thanks Derek, well explained and good camera work. I'm a design engineer (and not qualified in gas work). The reason I have sought and found your website is probably common to many people. I have a gas cooker, which has been un-plugged and re-plugged from the gas supply on a few time (when decorating, or maybe when cleaning). I'm replacing this cooker with an equivalent type - sizewise etc, just more modern -same manufacturer. When I read the sales blurb, it stated that a qualified gas-safe engineer was required to install the replacement cooker, IF the manufacturer's hand book said so. I looked up my replacement on-line (Hotpoint, similar physical model) handbook ,which gave the measurements for installation and was very vague as to whether I needed (by law) for a Gas-safe engineer to install it. In my case, I could simply plug in a standard commercial bayonet gas connector (the hose is in good condition) and simply wire up an electric plug to have a fully functioning gas cooker. Do i still need to pay for an additional gas engineer to check installation - without an engineer check, does simply plugging in an equivalent model (but not exactly the same ) invalidate my defence (when I inevitably end-up in court) for correct installation?
I am in the process of making a video on this but in short a new gas cooker will need to be installed and commissioned by a gas engineer that is competent to do so and gas safe registered or you are breaking the law
@@tomkatgastraining do you gas rate it after ?
Does the hose connector need 750mm from
Bottom ?
Do you need to put a wall mounted female iron or any is allowed?
Brilliant video. What they done with old cooker ? Looked mint 😎
Andrew Thomas gave it away I believe
Can you explain how you did the tightness test using the evo equipment, i am used to the process of having to Letby, stabilasation, then tightness test. I saw you do only one single process.
I have already done this on a few of my videos check out my channel and have a look 👍🏻
Really good video I have a question about soldering gas pipe do you have to disconnect the gas meter when soldering gas pipe work ?
If you are working within 2 m of the meter yes but if you are a trained gas engineer then you would take all the correct precautions so you wouldn’t need too.
Tomkat Gas Training many thanks looking forward to starting the training at tomkat in September
Great video Derek but I thought you would need 20mm gap either side of the Cooker?????
good info but was looking for insulation of an eye level grill
Great videos, probably the best on you tube and keep them coming.. but would you not normally remove the gas meter before you solder the back plate to the pipe work..
james turk no I always leave the test nipple out of the meter when soldering and I would only remove the meter if I was soldering with in 2 meters of the meter or in a meter box.
I would.
@@tomkatgastraining Hi Derek, great tip, so would you always remove the meter when installing a gas pipe on a new system, i.e oil to gas conversion (I normally work on medium pressure, as is most meters in greater Belfast) .
Sorry, forgot to add that I do all of the joints that will be inside the meter box first, then pipe it up and do the final connection outside the box.
@@davidb2464 I only remove the meter if I am working within a meter of the meter 🤪 sorry about the pun 👍🏻
I'm due to have a new gas cooker fitted but there s no cooker hood or extractor fan..there is a window in same room.
I used a plumbers plier to twist the connector as it wasn’t going on with my hand
Tom, have you had customers moan about some cookers not pushing back far enough because of the bayonet fitting. Even when the bayonet is in the specified position to the manual. What else can you do?
Me personally no but have had a few phone calls asking me to change the pipe work another engineer has done when it hasn’t gone back to the wall
What analyser are you using at the meter
Haroon Ali Anton analyser
Hi Derek, does this video still apply to regulations in 2022 or have they changed, because a gas safe engineer came round and had to alter the pipework and fit a new bayonet to connect to the back of the free standing cooker, but he's put the bayonet wall plate in at 750 h and angled it away from the wall so now the cooker won't go back where it was originally and now it sticks out by atleast 2 inches from the worktop and the same gap at the back, he's said that's how it's got to be now, could he of used an online bayonet wall plate as you have in this video or does it now have to be angled away from wall, what he's done doesn't seem right as I can't push my cooker back, any advice is welcome, thx
Not seeing the job or having pictures I can’t comment on your install but the regulations haven’t changed from my video.
@@tomkatgastraining hi, thanks for getting back to me, the guy has done exactly what you advised not to do at 5:30 in the video, I could see my end its not right for our cooker but he insisted it was new regs 2022 and had to be that way and we should get a different cooker, quality hey!, I'll call them back and hopefully they will rectify it properly. Thanks again
Working pressure at the meter with a 5 burner hob. Would you do 4 rings rather than 3
And where did you get that information from because the regs say 3 rings no matter what size the hob or oven ?
@@tomkatgastraining it was a question to you sorry. Going to start training soon. Just trying to get all the information I can
Hi there. I had a question….. since the government is banning gas from 2025, dont you think gas engineers will be out of jobs? Or will they be installing hobs only. Im asking because I’m interested in doing a gas course but I’m worried that I won’t be having a job in a few years and my course will go to waste.
They are not banning gas they have just announced they are delaying for another 5 years so it will be no gas in new build homes by 2030 but that will probably change again
Why should you not use boss white on gas when it says its ok to use? Or do you mean that you prefer boss green which is thicker texture.
Personally i fernox hawk white or locktight 577
Boss white is only suitable for hot and cold water not gas because it sets hard and for gas it can’t set hard that’s why boss make gas paste
@@tomkatgastraining Derek boss white is suitable for it and conforms to standard.
www.bes.co.uk/boss-white-jointing-compound-400g-tub-6878/
If you have ever tried to undo a union with boss white on it you will realise it’s not suitable even though it says it’s ok for gas. It might be ok for you to use it but not the poor engineer who has to undo the joint
@@tomkatgastraining never had a problem with it.
I use rocol gasseal paste its a bit pricey but its brilliant
Hi there , how much is to install of a gas pipe to a cooker here in UK?
An engineer would give a price after seeing the job
What is the distance I should have either side of the cooker? And what if I can quite meet that?
Follow manufacturers instructions
Derek, I thought you still have to have 20mm gap either side of the cooker regardless of manufacture instructions??
Is the hose not meant to fall into a u shape?
Yes and it did
What paste?
Thank you for the great informative video Derek!
Question: If you have disconnected the gas hose from the bayonet and no longer using it. As the bayonet is self ceiling… do you need to cap anything at the end of it? Or not as it’s self ceiling?
It will be in use again in a years time, for when we do our renovation to the kitchen But for now we’re using an electric oven. Please advise…
The bayonet is self sealing but if it is to be left for a considerable time it should be removed and replaced with a cap
@@tomkatgastraining thank you! so just to confirm remove the bayonet fitting and cap the end of the from the copper pipe ie soldering etc?
@@spritguru2695 it is not a DIYer job you will need it testing after it has been removed
@@tomkatgastraining I am a newly qualified gas engineer. I’m only asking as I’ve not had to tackle that question as of yet. So would I cap the end of the pipe that was originally connected to the bayonet?
@@spritguru2695 you can cap it how you see fit
Hmmm I think most come here to learn to diy it . Very good video indeed but you suppose to go to collage to be taught this no ? Not form yt
If this video is for training purposes only you have missed few things like beynut facing dwon removing gas meter before soldering ect I do apologise not telling u off just bit more details helps people like me
What’s the chain for?
Stop the cooker hose being pulled out of the wall when removing the cooker
CH 👍
You can fit your own cooker in UK you just need to get it checked by a gas safe registered tech.
No you can’t it’s against the law. You can disconnect and reconnect for cleaning but you can’t install. In 2018 they made it illegal for engineers to sign off appliances not installed by themselves.
Instructions unclear I blew my kitchen up
Good video but reusing old hose is a no from me.Looked a bit kinked on video. I’ve had a few escapes over the years from hoses.👍
As with any hose it’s all about carrying out a risk assessment on the condition of the hose. It passed a tightness test with no drop what so ever and the hose had no cracks or deterioration so I dreamed it safe to use
The gas certified fitter did none of this at my house bar the compound
welli connected my gas pipe to coocker15 years ago stil working am not gas registerd you want 100 quid to titen a bolt no tar
8:38 no washer???
My Oven no longer works right, I put the food In for the right time and temperature as of the box. And say a Pie, It's still cold In the Middle, and I did one of those cook In a plastic tray spaghetti Bolognese It was still Frozen In the Middle. So I have to get a New one, as I am In a flat top floor, I need those rings that turn off If they blow out (old one doesn't have these), It has the Angled Bayonet plug on It (New Hose). Now (Hypothetically) I have to have a Council Worker to put It In. He will have no time to Mess about like You have, So Worried FY!. I still need to Buy a Cooker, I want a eye level grill, there are No cupboards around the top. The one I have has the grill In the top of the Oven. I m single so not a big Oven needed. With so many I'm lost to which one. I don't really want to buy Blind off the Net. I can't measure anything and can't work out Numbers as I have Dyscalculia.
chris Taylor
Could have washed those pots! :)
Nice. Thanks for mentioning that under
IGEM/G/11 you must do risk assessment on all appliances you encounter! Can imagine how many people must ignore that.
Where would be the ideal location to fit a purge point? Thanks Derek 👍🏻
Asian Jon. Training
On domestic you wouldn’t need a purge point most use the cooker
The old “hmmm thats not good “ look ,
Great Video? In what way? He didn’t do anything to ensure isolation of the main gas supply. Sure the valve at the meter was closed or shutoff when he was doing the leak test/tightness test but there was no means to prevent opening of that valve when he had an open end on the supply to the cooker.
Tom Sephton-Brown all the correct test had been carried out on the gas supply to be able to work on it . I guess with your comment you are not a gas engineer but thanks for your comment and watching
Tomkat Gas Training my comment was that you had carried out the leak test but not put in place any controls...at least not shown on the video...to prevent the gas valve at the meter being opened in error whilst you were working on it. A simple means such as zip tie or a chain and padlock around the valve lever would have gone a long way to maintain that isolation. Maybe you did it and didn’t show it in the video but it was a training video after all.
Tom Sephton-Brown all appropriate precautions were taken when working on the installation. I never left site at any time and the customer was informed of everything that was going on.
Tomkat Gas Training nevertheless what I’m recommending is a safer procedure and it appears from your replies that you accept that. Your training video made no mention of isolation from the main gas supply so the precautions that you took as described in your reply to me, whilst not adequate in my opinion, were not explained to the intended trainees in your video.
As you know the video is made for trainees they are taught the procedure for tightness testing if I had to go through the procedure on every video I would be repeating myself over and over again and the videos would be an hour long and no one would watch them. I still guess with the comments you have come out with you are not a gas engineer or trainee gas engineer so this video as I said at the beginning of all my gas videos is not for the have a go DIYer.
Can I have a gas cooker in a kitchen with no windows?
No but you can use mechanical extraction to comply with the building regs
@@tomkatgastraining there is a gas pipe behind the cooker . And I have an extractor fan. I just wanna make sure I can have one before buying one .
@@Queenoftheslots74 the extraction has to be the correct type I would get a gas engineer to advise you first before buying one if you have no opening windows or back door in the kitchen
@@tomkatgastraining ok thank you for quick reply ❤️
WLO
Try finding a reliable gas engineer !
This is where you find the boiler will not restart
Why ?
Cos the boiler hasn't been serviced and has about 50 dead spiders inside. X
@@doncodman913 😳
If it didn't cost to much people wouldn't be taking chances when the law come out they should have brought out cheaper ways to install a gas cooker it's not far off hundred pounds for one or two hours job
Please don't do this at home 🏡 unless you are fully trained corgi gas fitter and registered. Thank you 😊
In 2009 we changed from corgi to gas safe so please make sure your cooker is installed by a gas safe registered gas engineer who is qualified on cookers as not all engineers are qualified on all appliances. Than you 👍🏻
Wouldn't a registered gasafe engineer know how to install a cooker? Who is your target audience exactly?
Trainee gas engineers we are a training company 🤔
Myself probably, because nearest gas safe guy is 140 miles away, charges £135 an hour and isnt even driving out without a £100 fee (aka a racket)
@@VeyronBD 235 quid to install a cooker. 🤣🤣🤣
In all the training we have done In the last 25 years we have never been allowed to clap the cooker chain to the gas pipework of the cooker
Why do you think it is ok to connect the safety chain to the cooker pipework.
What if a child climbed on the cooker door and the cooker tilted and ripped out the gas pipe from the cooker.
The chain should be fixed to the frame of the cooker with washer and longer screws
mrcagas so why do the manufacturers supply the pipe clamp and by the way the chain is to protect the hose not the cooker also it showed it in the instructions for the cooker and it was also supplied by the cooker manufacturer
In the country the cooker was manufactured in the gas law in place may allow the bracket on the pipework.
So just because it comes with the clap for the pipework doesn't mean you have to use it.
You should follow the rules and law in place in the UK,
And the chain is to prevent the cooker from falling over in the event of someone climbing on the door and the cooker falling over, that's when the chain would come into play,
And would not allow the cooker hose being ripped out of the cooker.
mrcagas I think maybe you should release that you follow manufacturers instructions or even realise that the chain is never going to stop a cooker being pulled over thanks for watching the video and your comment
@@tomkatgastraining 100 % nowhere in the manufactures instructions does it tell you to fit a bracket to the gas pipework on the cooker. (And if it did that would need to be reported.)
And the whole reason for a stability chain is to help the prevention of it falling over.
Your way is against BPEC training and anyone watching this video should not use a cooker chain in that manner.
(You actually do some fantastic video's, for people who are training your actually second to none with your advice.)
But you can't use your personal opinion as a way around the safety regulations.
If you want I will dig out the regs,
You must remember these video's are for the world to see.
And ps looks like you have a thing about blowing the flames out for the test, but we are also supposed to as much as possible prevent gas being let into the room.
Again you seem to be trying to stretch the reg to there boundaries.
mrcagas ok thanks for your comments and watching my videos Cheers
Great idea showing none qualified people how to install a cooker. This sort of content should be banned. Next weeks episode how to fly a jumbo jet 🙈
Thank you