Black Death - part 1: the beginning bit
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The first of a series of videos analysing the historical authenticity of the film Black Death, with Sean Bean and Edward John David "Eddie" Redmayne. There will be at least two more of these.
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Black Death - part 1: the beginning bit
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Wait...England isn't covered in mist most of the time? Next your going to tell me that it doesn't have a Dragon problem.
No, the Dragons in England have a very serious human problem.
Gorinich Serpant
You're thinking of the Welsh.
The Dragons have a Welsh problem or the English?
gwokymarla I am basing this claim more on the fact that all dragons have a human problem, unless they are in an area inaccessible to humans, but that will also change before to long (in dragon years).
Found you!
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Years....pfft.
If I had to place a bet... it would be that Sean Bean dies in that movie.
But how many times?
Given the subject matter, I'd guess the-number-of-moons-that-should-be-there (also known as "once"). The better question would be *how*, where, *despite* the subject matter, I'd but my money on "violently".
garouHH I dont think your bets will yield much profit, you'd have about 0,2% chance of losing.
garouHH HEY . His name is sheen burne
And what a glorious death it was.
As long as you are an active UA-camr....please never stop making these. Its the perfect mix of entertainment and history
SerCambria358 could NOT agree more!!!!
He stopped making them :(
Sad but he did stop making them
I think it maybe of been the new copyright silly laws idk
"Says I need a comb." - "You do.", Brilliant.
Its really not difficult to find a village. You say "Which road do I take?" and someone says....
"Help! Help! Im being repressed!"
sandmanhh67 I assume the person asking is a king. Why? Because he hasn't got shit all over him!
A king? I didn't vote for 'im.
He has to be a special type of King, chosen by a strange woman lying in a pond, who threw a sword at him.
medievalgirl002 I believe the correct term would be "moistened bint lobbing scimitars".
Finding villages should not be that difficult if they are lit 24 7 with bright torches. Or just follow the loud discussions of the collective arguing what is the will of the working masses choosing the next executive
To paraphrase a crew member from Lord of the Rings, where does the light come from? Same place the music comes from.
Also there's no reason the music has to sound like it's "classical" music (that genre came along *centuries* after the ancient to medieval era)
Electric guitars and 80s synth music are as "accurate" for medieval movies as violins and brass.
"Here is our hero." The Rat?
"A monk." Can I watch a movie about the rat?
Ratatouille?
I THOUGHT THE SAME to myself.
Imagine "the black death from a rat's perspective".
that poor rat got blamed for nothing!
Just go to the subway and hang out for 30 minutes.
I doubt Duc de Puce is going to be of any use.
Seen Bean.
Love it.
+tomcat912
Seen been our man on the Scene!
and shawn bawn
I've been saying Seen Bawn for years so this really cracked me up.
"Even the tapestries look old and faded, why is that then? This is the medieval period, they should all look brand new!"
Yep, I totally agree. Related to that subject, anyone notice that in many medieval and fantasy movies the people are taking residence in an old ruined castle? It wouldn't be fucking ruined back then like it is today. I get that some budgets would not allow people to build a set which resembles a brand new castle, but come on. It's used far too much, the old ruined castle as a sustainable fortress.
I've google searched this subject to see if any discussions about it can be found online, and I've found none. It's like you're the first person who has ever considered this. I'm glad I finally found one. :D
6 years but not to late i hope, they are actually building a brand New Castle in trance, completly accurate!(Based on the knowledge we have ofcourse, if we find out 10 years from now medieval ppl liked to listen to hiphop and paint Mondriaans on their walls there would be a slight problem.) When completed it would be an amazing set location. I mean it's already there then and renting is almost always cheaper then building, especially with an interested and motivated director. Finding extra's would also be a bless: Just enroll the castle's volunteers!
In France ofcourse, not in Trance. Although i can immagine they would be in trance when beholding their creation when finished.
The problem is not that movies and other pieces of entertainment are historically nonsensical. It's that so many people don't realize it. The public today will watch Captain America as if it's a WW2 documentary.
Also this isn't him being angry about the movie. He is just pointing out flaws, and that can be fun in its own way. People tend to be aggressive about this stuff, while i consider it just entertainment.
''The public today will watch Captain America as if it's a WW2 documentary. '' Now thats just bullshit and makes no sense... lol.
Luxpulcher It is very depressing, but whenever my parents see a movie with "based on a true story" they assume the entire thing in the movie happened just as it is shown. It is very aggravating, especially since you do not need to PROVE that it is based on a true story really at all to say it at the beginning
@hawekeye Cap turned the tide at Normandy.
Ofcourse it should be historically accurate you doofus
Sean Bean is the single best example in the whole wide world that English makes no sense whatsoever.
Well y'see, "Sean" is derived from the Irish "Seán", which is derived from the Norman-English "John".
The English dropped the fada but kept the pronunciation. So obviously it should really be spelt "Sohn".
WH1SK3YJ4CK I learned something today. Thank you. ^_^
Is that.... Is that... No, it can't be, he took three arrows to the chest.
***** crushed by one very... very large antenna cradle
***** (cough) Uruk-hai arrows (cough)
*****
He also got hanged with a cable in the Island.
And lost his head
the comb scene was bloody brilliant.
I want to see an entire movie dubbed over with Lindybeige voices.
Hahahaha! One of your most entertaining video yet! :-D
rogue9? wtf are you doing here
Checkmarks put the comment on top the list, thus, "verified" accounts are now using spambot techniques.
This person is doing what they can to rape themselves into your mind and bring more attention to their channel/videos.
By all means, it is SPAM and they should be removed from this website. However, this is youtube and practically their new model is spamming until people pay you.
Fuck youtube.
You can tell its malicious spam since its such a pointless brainless comment
That doctor that you spoke of had a unique mask that was worn only by gynecologists.
I'm not big on your complaint about the lighting, simply because lighting will always receive a 'free pass' for me. Seeing an actual night shot would be exceptionally lame, because you wouldn't see anything! They have gigantic skylights specifically to light up the night to make watching night shots easier. I guess it would make sense to have the scene at day (where nearly everything of use was done anyway), except again for artistic licence, I don't mind a movie being moody.
The torch point though is again true (and all the new points) are sadly true though.
I give the amount of light a free pass because of that too, you have to light up the scene in order to see something.
But! Regardless of that, I also find the gratuitous amount of light sources inexcusable. The obvious spotlight on the crucifix was silly. And when the 'moonlight' is shining in two different walls, the facade is pretty obvious. That's lazy work.
There was a famous story about David Lynch filming Twin Peaks. The characters were in a forest and the D.P. had large key lights shining brightly down from the tops of the trees so you could see them clearly, supposedly to represent the moonlight, although much brighter than any moon should be. Lynch asked the D.P. where this obviously unrealistic light was coming from, to which the D.P. replied, "the same place as the music".
Yes, film cameras are not as sensitive as human eyes. It can be done much better than this, though.
But the lack of efficient artificial light is why most activity happened during daylight - not as dramatic for a film and if shot entirely during the day may have shown up more howlers.
Lindybeige Barry Lyndon perhaps, I read Kubrick used special cameras and film to use real candle light
Maybe the tapestries were dull because they were covered with soot from all those torches. (Note, I'm not serious. It's more a comment on the silly torches.)
+Silkendrum And why wouldnt those tapestries be old anyway? It might be the 14th century, but they must have had antiquities too. Shit from BC centuries. Why not? I doubt that a tapestry from say, 1st century would look very fresh, especially with the lack of tapestry preserving technologies of the time.
@@jonathanallard2128: The culture surrounding the first century church was much more into frescoes and mosaic tilework.
@@helmsscotta There were no tapestries that would be considered ancient to 13th century people?
@@jonathanallard2128 : Not European Christian tapestries.
shawn born
seen bean
Crucifixes weren't lit with moonlight, they were aglow from the overflowing might and goodness of the... whoever that crucified guy is.
I believe his name's Jebus or something.
Our lord keanu
Hmm... No comment on how that monk was actually holding the torch in a sensible way? That is, not in front of his face, but off and out of his field of view.
And it has to be said that the crucifixes are _obviously_ illuminated by the glory of God. (Cue angelic choir cliché.) :P
I would love to see a medieval-set film depicting period architecture and clothing with the colourful vibrancy it really had.
well, looks like we have movies like that now
Stop being mean to Sean Bean, we like that guy! He is a professional dier!
I love these videos Lindy they seriously have me laughing until I'm close to rupturing. Plus I learn a lot. You have such a smooth radio centric voice dog I love it
We all know why Sean Bean was nervous. He could've died any moment.
Oh, hells yes! Lyndibeige chewing up crappy 'historically accurate' films and series and spitting them out is my absolute favourite thing on all the youtubes! Mooooooore!!!
I was under the impression England has fog only when it doesn't rain. =P
Could that be a reference to Asterix? Very cheeky.
John Stuart
Yep. =P
So, never? :p
I would love to see you take on Alatriste after this!
these videos analysing the historical authenticity of films are my favourite on your channel. truly hilarious
I love these! Thank you so much for putting the time in to make these videos that chop up these period movies. Plus your little bits of a humor make it doubly entertaining. "Seen Bean"
Okay, I agree it isn't the most realistic thing in the world but the lighting? A movie needs to be lit. We need to see what's happening and I guess that they probably also want to set the mood.
Are there ANY movies that are historical accurate? :/
seriously if you ever find one i would love to see it....even an actually historically accurate documentary would be nice.
I've watched "Vikings" and it seems quite historically accurate.
Historically accurate compared to everything else on the History Channel maybe :p
***** with that outlook i can watch Marvels Thor to learn about Nordic Mythology xD
I do think that HBO's Rome did a fairly decent job in terms of historical detail, except when they tried to do Egypt :p
"Seen Bean, our man on the scene!" I had to pause the video for a minute-long laughing fit. Well done!
I agree with most of it. As for finding a guide, they needed one because the village was so remote, without a simple single road to get there.
is it pronounced sean bean or sean bean?
I believe it's pronounced Sean Bean.
Uncle Ork No no, it's pronounced "Levi-O-sa".
Yes it is
Yes
I am amazed the monks weren't shown as savage, bigoted, perverted war mongers, as the English tend to do with Catholics in their movies.
You come across medieval ruins and see no plaster on walls, shrubbery and dust everywhere, washed out colours and then think to yourself, "that's exactly how it looked like back then.."
you think we put out enough candles, he whispers through the smoke
"Do you think we've put in enough... candles..." yeah um
As much as I love overly critical historical reviews of movies, I don't think the lighting is something that should be judged. They can't make a movie with bad lighting, so that is one concession they should get.
Oh, man Every once in a while I come back to this videos, that I have seen many times already, and they still make me laugh so hard!
"Do you think we put out enough candles?"
I lost it.
So did I! Lmao
I know this is an old video... but please go on cinemasins... that would be epic!!!
+halladall1 Nah, he should start his OWN Cinemasins! I'd love to see that. He could just criticize bad historical movies; I'm sure there are many.
Next movie criticism, The Lord of the Rings!
+Cernel Joson It's a fantasy which means fiction in midieval times.
i would like to see some critizism(or just an analysis) to some battle scenes, like the siegue of helms deep, i found it pretty limited, as an example there was no use of defensive siegue machinery on the castle and the defenders should have use more varied ways to stop the enemy like dropping rocks, hot oil or boiling water from the walls above the enemy or put some wood spikes on the moat.
but you need to consider that middle earth is not the same world as our world.
Zekyb0y Well, you could normally expect something more than just walls and a small dirt wall out in the field(at least I think something like that existed but wasn't used for anything).
+Zekyb0y Legolas shield boarding is an idiotic Hollywood scene. Hollywood humor is everywhere as well
Zekyb0y
You have to remember Helms Deep was not manned or in use for many years...there was very little in way of resources.
Middle-Earth actually was meant to be our world. Tolkien meant it to be a mythology for England.
Crying from the laughter. This was an unexpected delight. Thank you.
I watched this one insomnia filled night on Netflix for giggles, boredom, and because after the first few minutes it was so awful I couldn't stop. The problem is now Netflix keeps suggesting movies based on this late night decision.
This video made that worth it.
This films original title was 'Mr Bean - Avoid like the Plague!'
nice profile photo. One thing I dont understand from that movie is what the fuck is going on all the time. Characters supposed to be the good guys do bad things all over the movie, for no particular reason, and that ending... wtf
The only film i know of that has realistic lighting is Barry Lyndon by Stanley Kubrick.
the moon is clearly in the middle of the room
The knight is asking for directions because one does not simply find the village.
I love your videos criticizing these films lol. I wonder how many parts one of kingdom of heaven would have.
Oh.... That one....
Next movie criticism: Kingdom of Heaven
Our man Sean Bean arrives on the scene
Sean Bean does not die in this scene. DING!
You don't give a flying toss about Copyright strikes, do you, Beige?
The video is intended as commentary and criticism, so it's protected under fair use.
new EU rule as well, as long as it's funny it's ok.
Don't they still use the automatic take-down system if it has any clips from movies in it? Or does that not happen to videos uploaded in the EU?
24680kong It applies to any video uploaded from anywhere. 9/10 times it's audio though, which he doesn't use any of (well, barely any).
1610Albannach Only since a few days ago when the EU finally forced the UK to have fair use. Thank god for the EU. Though it seems to be the Conservitive plan to pull out of most of these EU laws, so it'll probably end up as copyright theft again soon.
This film would have worked a lot better as a fantasy film or post-apocalyptic scenario.
Cernel Joson
At the beginning of this very video Lindy showed the behind the scenes where it said England...
Cernel Joson
I think it was pretty obvious...if it was supposed to be some fantasy setting that is a pretty big piece of info not given.
We have all these post-apocalyptic zombie and disease scenarios that take place in the future, and all these alternate time lines of "what if" scenarios like what if Germany won ww2, why not just combine both ideas into a post-apocalyptic alternate medieval timeline where the plague actually killed nearly everyone.
why would it have worked better as a fantasy or post apocalyptic scenario? no seriously, why?
I have been following this channel for years and these debunked videos are the most entertaining of all. I am just watching all of these again!
I could watch (listen to) this man pull things apart for hours, wonderful, I wish he would make these for everything, movies, songs, people, hairdos, everything American, the french.
better than the film !!
I really love your other videos but your knowledge of cinematography and film making is lacking. You were spot on when it came to historical accuracy though.
I've missed these, keep em coming.
Wow, movie analysis videos are back! Thanks Lindybeige, these are just too clever and entertaining!
"Sean Bean" is pronounced "Shawn Bean". Otherwise this was really funny.
Ah... Fooled me.
Matthew Brown Truth be told I think it's a joke on how his name looks like it rhymes but yet doesn't when spoken
I'll be honest that one got a giggle out of me
Jesus. If you're going to tell someone how you prefer to pronounce a word at least have the decency to use IPA.
You mean "Eye pee ayy"?
"Says i need a comb."
"You do."
They were clearly time travellers if they spoke 20th Century English.
1:29 unrealistic or not this is a very cool shot, it’s as if film noir and fantasy films had a baby.
Film industry should hire Lindy for historical accuracy purposes.
It seems that the young monk watched your videos about torches. He's holding the torch sideways!
It's well known that during the dark ages the phrase "I need a guide" was code language for "I could use some of the old 'hey-hey' to relieve some stress." And so that explains why of all places Sean Bean went to a monastery looking for a young 'guide.'
Damn thee Lindy, I cannot watch any film now without commenting on the lighting. I have received thy infection!
And yet... I really enjoyed this film. Good ol Sean Bean.
"Do you think we've put out enough candles?"
I realize this is old, but given the hilarity provided here, I'd imagine that a full length showing of this movie in a MST3K style narration by yourself would be the talk of the Net for ages. I said Good Day sir!
"Says I need a comb"
"Ya do..."
Oh man I lost it hahaha
*quack quack*
These voiceovers are the greatest thing since colored paint.
I wish you would do more of these.
Watched this again. 'Says I need a comb' 'you do' Priceless. If I'd said that, it wouldn't have been funny.
I bloody love these videos. I really hope some aspiring director is keeping note of all your work here on youtube lindy.
The comb bit was genuinely hilarious.
I love these types of videos, they are my favorite on your channel, you should make them more often. Chears
Lindy I think the light shining on the cross is just symbolism.
I love these! I'm so glad they're back!
At 3:30, I expected the cloak to just magically be in her size, only for it to be 4 times longer lmao.
Don't you just love Lloyd's quips rolling out throughout this clip. Looked hard to see the hero monks Tonsure but to no avail, I think he back combed it to try and look like The Beatles "failed". Just one correction for Lloyd, the real reason they wore those masks was to point the way to the next village !
ahhh finally !!! since Ironclad I've been waiting....
please do more of these lindybeige!
The crucifixes are always lit because of the light of the lord
Thanks for the laughs please do more of these videos.
We're off to a good start. Sounds like you ripped into this more than you did Gladiator.
More of these, Lloyd! Never mind the naysayers who say "its just a film" and the like - watching someone at last bash these sort of movies with their own inaccuracies is a treat for any history buff.
The holes weren't in the wall to the right, they were in the ceiling. And apparently the crucifix was lit by a very complicated ceiling hole. For some reason. The orange light was a fireplace. Because the monk guy had a massive roaring (yet silent) fireplace in his Presidential apartment, pardon, cell. Makes sense...?
'Our man "Sean" Bean arrives on the scene.'
I laughed.
One where mists drift, backlit - I was in tears
I died at "Sean Bean".
Lindybeige would be great at cinemasins...
Awesome! I love Lindy's movie commentaries. I have never heard of any of these movies and have no interest in watching them but these are great.
I do respect your vast amount of knowledge on these things, but the designers of these movies are creative artistic people and are going to design things in their own way. I agree with a lot of your points like the time travelling plague doctor that with a little bit of fact checking could've been made more historically accurate. But some of it seems a bit nit picky, like the church being the wrong color. You should try to find some points on things they did well to pad all the criticism. :-P
Anyways, great stuff man love all your interesting and educational videos!
Lindybiege: The historically accurate, Cinema Sins-like critic of movies.
You really should start a weekly podcast Lindybeige.
Yes! I love when beige does movies.
I like these videos of yours, quite fun but due to you, I can never look at torches the same way again. They used to be eerie and mood setting, now all I get is "Oh come on, that would smoke up the entire room!". Thanks, and not so much at the same time. x3
jeg er så glad for at du laver sådanne videoer, elsker dem :D
I nearly laughed tea out of my nose at the plague mask part. I now must watch this movie. Thanks for putting this up, I enjoy these videos.