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    Another video dealing with a corny daft movie cliche. This time it's the convention that the response to someone's pushing hard against your sword is to push back hard and then for the pair to struggle uselessly for a bit.
    When I play this on UA-cam, there's a blank screen for half a second at about 10 seconds in. Very odd. It's not on the video version on my hard drive.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 878

  • @Anacronian
    @Anacronian 10 років тому +2636

    silly man - the two people are having a conversation and it's rude to kill people right in the middle of a conversation.

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  10 років тому +971

      Fair point. I should have mentioned that.

    • @yogsothoth7594
      @yogsothoth7594 9 років тому +62

      Lindybeige I quite agree when your two faces are about a meter apart and he is trying to insult you evilly it's not very nice to use the large metal object on your head to break his nose then bring your steel encased knee sharply into his nut then cut his throat. The aim of being in a fight is to kill the other person whilst taking minimum injury your self, no part of that involves being nice.

    • @saltypork101
      @saltypork101 8 років тому +39

      +Anacronian Excellent moment in a roleplaying game:
      We find ourselves in a battlefield scenario.
      Another character manages to force an enemy to surrender, and the player cuts him down anyway.
      Seeing this, my character is enraged, and begins to chide the killer viciously. The other player defends his actions (in character) and we begin to argue.
      DM: A viking berserker is charging you, his battleaxe held aloft.
      Me (to viking): DO YOU MIND? I AM TALKING!
      DM (as viking): Fair enough.
      DM: The viking rests his axe upright, leans on it, and waits for you to finish your conversation.
      Me: Good. As I was saying, we don't kill prisoners. Ok? (turn to attack viking) Thanks for waiting. (stab viking through the heart) Sorry for keeping you.
      Dying viking: No problem.

    • @goldenpanda7004
      @goldenpanda7004 8 років тому +7

      +Flintlox Pommel Justice

    • @snorribm6076
      @snorribm6076 8 років тому +4

      @Anacronian "Lol", comedy, right there

  • @Mothman1992
    @Mothman1992 7 років тому +340

    lock swords, get in real close, and whisper "you smell nice" the enemy will be so confused you'll have an opportunity to stab them in the gooshy parts

    • @oz_jones
      @oz_jones 5 років тому +35

      "you smell the same way when you sleep"

    • @PuddintameXYZ
      @PuddintameXYZ 5 років тому +14

      **stabs badie in face**
      "But not any more!"

    • @jackcoleman5955
      @jackcoleman5955 4 роки тому +11

      That is called the ‘Joe Biden’ maneuver in the classical literature.

    • @Kutchy7765
      @Kutchy7765 4 роки тому +1

      @@PuddintameXYZ swordsman generally dont go stabs and thrusts in the face, because if you are in the abillity to cut their face you could try just slashing they artery or just stab them on the underside of their chin, many possibilities, but attacking the face will just leave damage and not give you the win, and even to get that little bit of damage you have to slice or cut not stab or thrust so yeah i hope you get my point

  • @spamhonx56
    @spamhonx56 10 років тому +253

    'it's not dastardly, he's trying to kill you!'
    such logic is irrefutable. it's also why i often end up feeling sorry for the bad guy. he prepared his lines so well but nobody wants to admit that they're cool.

    • @anderstopansson
      @anderstopansson 4 роки тому +4

      Hollywoods cultural marxism: the PC have to win against the nonPC, only the PC is good.

  • @ConmanGamez
    @ConmanGamez 10 років тому +458

    "You could just go *Pfft* and stab him in the face." Lindybeige, 2014.

    • @nintendomusicchannel1317
      @nintendomusicchannel1317 5 років тому +14

      Didn't Jaime Lannister do that to Jorry Cassel in Season 1?

    • @derek96720
      @derek96720 5 років тому +6

      @@nintendomusicchannel1317 that's why that scene is so great. We're so used to locking swords in film that Jamie using a dagger is a total surprise to the viewer.

    • @mradulchourasiya3868
      @mradulchourasiya3868 3 роки тому +1

      @@derek96720 yeah but a few seconds after, jaime and ned was pushing each other with thier swords😂

  • @blockmasterscott
    @blockmasterscott 8 років тому +1180

    I laughed out loud at the part about her having thick ankles!

    • @liptherapy
      @liptherapy 8 років тому +15

      i thought he said angles

    • @vincur5361
      @vincur5361 8 років тому +45

      T H I C C
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    • @WalknTalknStevnHawkn
      @WalknTalknStevnHawkn 8 років тому +7

      Heavenly_Astaroth Cremator the cigs are doing it 4 me

    • @MrWeAllAreOne
      @MrWeAllAreOne 6 років тому +2

      blockmasterscott cankles.

    • @Alpenjodler1
      @Alpenjodler1 6 років тому +1

      Well she does have thick ankles, though

  • @blueeyesaf
    @blueeyesaf 8 років тому +312

    In the first season of Game of Thrones, when Ned and Jaime fight, Ned's man Jory tries to take on Jaime and gets killed for trying to do this, Jaime does exactly like you describe, lets Jory's sword meet his own and then takes out his knife and puts it through Jory's eye.

    • @maximomanzano9165
      @maximomanzano9165 8 років тому +23

      +Alexander Forbes it's like they are trying to tell us something..

    • @boiledelephant
      @boiledelephant 8 років тому +10

      +maximo manzano That Jaime's dangerously genre-savvy.

    • @randyronald
      @randyronald 8 років тому +78

      +Alexander Forbes Yes but then moments later Jamie and Ned get locked in the struggle of pushing swords so we can see their impressive grimaces.

    • @thelurkingpanda3605
      @thelurkingpanda3605 8 років тому +1

      came her to say that. The same thing happens moments later

    • @darkphoenix2
      @darkphoenix2 8 років тому

      That was really just a parry, Jory didn't even have time to try to push

  • @FartMaster69
    @FartMaster69 10 років тому +284

    Lindybeige confirmed ankle hater

    • @azn3000
      @azn3000 10 років тому +2

      I see you on Mega64 videos and now Lindy's? Man, you are everywhere.

    • @hamfranky
      @hamfranky 9 років тому +1

      ***** Mega64 and Lindybeige awwww yes.

    • @adrenochromejunkie
      @adrenochromejunkie 9 років тому +1

      ***** Not to mention Cr1TiKaL's videos.

    • @sockondik12
      @sockondik12 5 років тому +2

      cankle hater*

    • @samgarcia4624
      @samgarcia4624 4 роки тому

      Anti foot fetish

  • @samadams1988
    @samadams1988 8 років тому +315

    "Pushing swords" sounds like a game frat boys might play with each other.

    • @issadraco3517
      @issadraco3517 8 років тому +14

      I just imagined that
      oh god no...
      please no...

    • @aaronseet2738
      @aaronseet2738 7 років тому +7

      Sam Adams The one with the stiffer sword wins?

    • @samadams1988
      @samadams1988 7 років тому

      Aaron Seet brilliant! let the games begin.

    • @ez-xp6ff
      @ez-xp6ff 7 років тому

      Loras and Renly

    • @adrenochromejunkie
      @adrenochromejunkie 7 років тому

      FraternityX. ;^)

  • @Xeno426
    @Xeno426 8 років тому +68

    Heh, love the comment about using the dagger. "It's not dastardly! He's trying to kill you!"

  • @AJFStudios
    @AJFStudios 8 років тому +687

    does this count for lightsabers too?

    • @Wittle_Boyo
      @Wittle_Boyo 8 років тому +84

      +AJF Studios Lightsabers tend to lock because when the blades contact their plasma fields lock into each other. Thinking of putting two open scissors together so generally pushing through or pulling back are the only real options for the blade.
      A lightshoto/dagger or the force would be another option.

    • @Wittle_Boyo
      @Wittle_Boyo 8 років тому +4

      +AJF Studios Lightsabers tend to lock because when the blades contact their plasma fields lock into each other. Thinking of putting two open scissors together so generally pushing through or pulling back are the only real options for the blade.
      A lightshoto/dagger or the force would be another option.

    • @AJFStudios
      @AJFStudios 8 років тому +7

      +Sean De Guzman thanks, but I was kidding :)

    • @a8lg6p
      @a8lg6p 8 років тому +57

      +AJF Studios Well you obviously can't grab a lightsaber by the blade. It would melt your hand. I'm assuming. Although to what extent to which it cuts through a given substance like a hot knife through butter seems to depend on the dramatic needs of the scene in question...

    • @AJFStudios
      @AJFStudios 8 років тому +1

      +a8lg6p well duh :p, but if you hold it by the hilt and push it against another saber, it would work

  • @Gunfreak19
    @Gunfreak19 10 років тому +139

    Still not as bad as swords going trough armor like it was carboard! Hey lets put on this 20-50kg armor that weighs me down, when aperantly a cheap t-shirt gives the same protection.

    • @michaelmayne6097
      @michaelmayne6097 7 років тому +5

      Gunfreak19 if you're a main character it does

    • @2lazyt378
      @2lazyt378 5 років тому +3

      @Zachary Demary often time its just a super "special" sword that wa sdesoghned by some long dead person to wash what ever kind of evil stain that has washed up on the windshield of the story this time.

    • @TheRiskyBrothers
      @TheRiskyBrothers 3 роки тому

      (Lord of the rings movies intensifies)
      My favorite films, but Faramir does have an arrow go right through his breastplate.

    • @henryrobinson9701
      @henryrobinson9701 3 роки тому

      Berserk.

  • @HeatherSpoonheim
    @HeatherSpoonheim 8 років тому +29

    Have you ever thought of getting together with some other youtubers/re-en-actors to put together some very short, historically accurate battle sequences? It would be interesting to see the result of some martial artists, historians and archaeologists choreographing some scenes.

  • @Alf763
    @Alf763 9 років тому +145

    they always have thick ankles, women these days...

  • @aBc3Dg
    @aBc3Dg 8 років тому +20

    dude i lost my shit when you said, "i never liked her anyways, shes got thick ankles" it was so good man

  • @maximeb190
    @maximeb190 8 років тому +9

    I love the lego man shouting at the end of each video, I don't know why, they combination of the music and his accent, the randomness.. haha ;)

  • @woodslore8537
    @woodslore8537 5 років тому +6

    Everytime I watch this I want to see a movie with Loyd as the hero and it's just him defeating villains by debunking things like this

  • @alexp6712
    @alexp6712 9 років тому +2

    It's also a nice, symbolic moment. Good filmmaking is all about using the language of cinema to tell a story, and the scenario you describe is a wonderful visual representation of the struggle between these characters, and usually the ideologies they represent. In films like star wars, for instance, it can represent the two forces pushing against each other. The symmetry of the positions of the combatants shows that the forces are equally matched. The frame of the camera focusing on them emphesises the importance of the struggle...
    But yes, I can't imagine ever actually doing it if my life depended on it

  • @Fox_in_Thoughts
    @Fox_in_Thoughts 5 років тому +5

    Omg, I was looking for something to help me with a sword fighting scene in my novel and I'm so glad you have this video! I couldn't figure out what they would do after being in the locked-sword position. Thank you for this video.

  • @bits3608
    @bits3608 7 років тому +53

    It would be odd if you grabbed your knife and your enemy grabs his too at the same time

    • @rmg480
      @rmg480 7 років тому +59

      what if then they make a double engage with pushing both the sword and the dagger?

    • @Annathroy
      @Annathroy 7 років тому +14

      Rich M then one must unscrew the pommel and them rightly. Such was combat since forever.

    • @rmg480
      @rmg480 7 років тому +7

      and what if they both do the same and both their pommels clash when thrown at the respective enemy?

    • @rmg480
      @rmg480 7 років тому +4

      but does it explode rightly?
      #'Disdarealquestions

  • @BrutusAlbion
    @BrutusAlbion 10 років тому +29

    Once I decided I wanted to write an combat scene that was realistic. Then I realized it was dreadfully boring when swords couldn't touch each other in a rugby contest so I scrapped that idea.

    • @TheGreatGodPan
      @TheGreatGodPan 10 років тому

      writing duels and jousts would still be fun, sword are a last resort, for thousands of years we relied on our spears...a spear has reach so immediately has the advantage. The same was probably true for samurai as well.

    • @nukeclears
      @nukeclears 10 років тому

      Game of Thrones has some more "realistic" sword fights.

    • @BrutusAlbion
      @BrutusAlbion 10 років тому +1

      nukeclears What do you think I watch? >.>

    • @nukeclears
      @nukeclears 10 років тому +26

      BrutusAlbion This video.
      _badum tish_

    • @apugalypse_now
      @apugalypse_now 10 років тому +8

      nukeclears
      _Game of Thrones_ has very defensible (and, in my opinion, stylish) armor designs, but the fight scenes.....ehhhhh.

  • @TheKurtzGallahad
    @TheKurtzGallahad 9 років тому +9

    Surprisingly enough this technique does have certain use in very particular and niche circumstances.
    When fencing épée or foil getting impolitely close and forcing a guard lock is a very effective way of controlling the movement of an opponent more skilled but weaker than yourself, since they can't pass behind you and you've forced them too close to use the tip on a target area it means you can jostle and twist their arm to throw them off balance then quickly do a retreating lunge to try to get a hit in before they can recover to parry. This tactic is rather frowned on though.
    That of course is a sporting application with little parallel in a combat situation.

  • @Roflcopter4b
    @Roflcopter4b 10 років тому +3

    I usually associate this troupe with star wars, in which it at least kind of makes sense. I don't know if lightsabers properly pivot off one another, but in any event if you were to win the battle of strength all you'd have to do is touch your foe slightly and you'd slice all the way through.

  • @Putrefactionemy
    @Putrefactionemy 8 років тому +10

    Love that sound at 3:12

    • @HeartDigger9
      @HeartDigger9 7 років тому +1

      Elias H. try listening to it 10 times in a row

  • @bobmilaplace3816
    @bobmilaplace3816 10 років тому +9

    Dagger using is smart and for some reason Hollywood doesn't like fighting smart.

  • @OsKuukkeli
    @OsKuukkeli 10 років тому +6

    Always bothered me too. Even when I was a kid... Never fully understood why though, it just felt wrong and looked awkward. Thanks for clarifying, good sir.

  • @RoninDave
    @RoninDave 9 років тому +1

    I think the lightsaber fight in the first Star Wars film with Alec Guinness was a good use of tactics and dialogue because it was done in Kendo style. The two opponents feel each other out as they talk then they attack, pull back, and repeat. When they push on each other, it's less of a push and more looking for an opening. The prequels though took this style of fighting and hammed it up with improbable (even in its own universe) movements that would have got the fighter killed a dozen times over --- and the kenobi flip over Maul.....ugh!

  • @cygil1
    @cygil1 10 років тому +2

    The "dastardly dagger" from the clinch is of course from Basil Rathbone's legendary fight with Errol Flynn in "Robin Hood." The duel from which a million swordplay clichés were born. Although I think in that film they justify it by having both actors have a hand on the other actor's blade. All the thought and care that went into the choreography for that fight was dropped in later, paler Hollywood adaptations.

  • @bravenkirok3142
    @bravenkirok3142 8 років тому

    Allow the baddie to push past you by using your cross guard to to protect yourself as you redirect his energy down your blade and past your body. Do this by letting your blade fall back past the top of your shoulder and using the cross guard to help guide his force back towards your blade point. once he slips past you, volta (turn) or rotate your blade for a Fendente Cupli from Posta Di Donna (a strike made from sword over right shoulder going from "teeth to knee" or from crook of shoulder to hip of opponent.)
    Good observation and points made here from you. Always love your scholarly thought processes and enthusiasm.

  • @Feralbreed
    @Feralbreed 10 років тому +2

    You should do more videos focusing on movie cliches. I especially liked the "archery in Helen of Troy" and the whole "Ironclad" series.

  • @Orpheusftw
    @Orpheusftw 10 років тому

    Uuuugghh, thanks for making this. Definitely something that always gets on my nerves, so its satisfying to hear someone else say it.

  • @3DArchery
    @3DArchery 10 років тому

    In Japanese Iai and Ken, they do this, just not to the extreme of the movies. They would also instead of having blades touching would have the contact on the handles. It is also something they tell you to avoid, for we also learn all the counters. Great video again keep it up, I love your channel!

  • @sfredd9800
    @sfredd9800 7 років тому +11

    Unless it's a lightsaber fight, in which case it may be effective.

    • @firepower7017
      @firepower7017 7 років тому +1

      SF Alba still kick them in the balls it works but if it is a woman well it may not be effective but you can do is make her trip by force push

  • @timothyheimbach3260
    @timothyheimbach3260 8 років тому +3

    I've done this in a sparing match and just pivoted, it totally works.

  • @101jir
    @101jir 9 років тому

    My thinking exactly!
    With one catch: if we get past the Hollywood version, high speed weapon impact does mean that sometimes a weapon will be dropped, resulting in the "disarming" mentioned in other vids. A very far cry from the drawn out hollywood version, but short-term high speed impact can absolutely result in knocking someone over and causing them to lose their weapon, though in the only case I have had that happen in a LARP session it wasn't the intention of either party to disarm the other, but a side-effect of me charging in from behind during a free-for-all.
    When he realized I was coming at him he tried not to block, but to counter-attack (he had an overwhelmingly offensive strategy), both weapons hit at high speed. I intentionally let go of my weapon to avoid muscle strain and/or what actually happened to him (knocked down and disarmed). Of course, being that this was FFA it wasn't hard for both of us to get finished off at that point, but I did successfully run about 10 paces and retrieve my weapon, though I was out of position when I did so. He, on the other hand, was eliminated before he could get up off the floor.
    Point being, "pushing" in a literal sense will happen any time two weapons come into contact, and at high speed can possibly disarm one or both participants. This of course is a quick and powerful hit rather than the long, drawnout armwrestle that he is referring to in the video, and I doubt anyone would disagree with this point.

  • @Wright805
    @Wright805 9 років тому +13

    An episode of Highlander ("For Tomorrow We Die") had an interesting scene that (to my untrained eye at least) looked like a far more plausible alternative to the infamous "pushing swords."
    At one point in the climatic duel Duncan seizes Xavier's wrist and Xavier seizes Duncan's wrist. They then struggle for a bit, moving around, trying to get leverage etc. before disengaging. I'm no historian but it seemed like a good compromise between dramatic and semi-plausible.

  • @handsomebrick
    @handsomebrick 7 років тому +3

    It's called "locking swords" which should make it clear what the trope is meant to signify.

  • @Christian-Rankin
    @Christian-Rankin 10 років тому

    Everybody loves your combat/movie stuff because you say what we are all thinking and you (somewhat at least) validate our thoughts. We love you, bro lol

  • @TheSettlers90
    @TheSettlers90 9 років тому

    I am not passionate about swords and weapons in general but I still find your videos very interesting and I keep watching and enjoying them!

  • @ianmcleod2103
    @ianmcleod2103 10 років тому

    As an archaeology student with a twisted bent and a silly side, I think I can at last safely declare you my favorite youtuber.

  • @luggilu7864
    @luggilu7864 5 років тому +1

    Lloyd always looks like a child having too much fun playing around with his toys

  • @KidWiz3
    @KidWiz3 9 років тому

    You make an absolutely wonderful point! I've always had a voice in my head wondering why they did that in movies, it never made sense to me until I learned a great deal more about swords and also photography/videography and then it made much more sense that Hollywood would want to use it for their gain and real fighters would just laugh at a standstill like that.

  • @romanwisecup6823
    @romanwisecup6823 4 роки тому +2

    3:10 is an epic gamer moment

  • @ThanksIhateyoutoo
    @ThanksIhateyoutoo 10 років тому +2

    I freaking love the lego man at the end XD. LINDYBEIGE!!!.

  • @jamesdean8260
    @jamesdean8260 9 років тому +1

    In many movies where two people are fist fighting, they tend to not actually fight. Often the villain who has much greater strength will simply throw the hero around the room, smashing him in to walls and through doors and into anything that will shatter in to thousands of little pieces. And it's is always super ineffective.

  • @Thoroughly_Wet
    @Thoroughly_Wet 5 років тому +1

    "I never liked her anyways. She's got thick ankles"- _lindeybeige, 2014_

  • @sonofangron2969
    @sonofangron2969 10 років тому

    Loved the 'stab him in the face' part, and the sound effects to! XD
    You could also shove one of the quillons on the cross-guard of the sword into the other guy's face at this distance: not very pleasant...

  • @kimarous
    @kimarous 10 років тому +18

    I think it only really works if you're using some kind of energy blade, like a lightsaber or another such beam sword. Not only does it make the whole "well, I could push the rest of the blade with my hand" notion too risky as you'll burn yourself, and at least Star Wars uses the notion that the lightsaber blades locking together so they don't slide around.

    • @DanielLCarrier
      @DanielLCarrier 10 років тому +3

      You could still rotate the blade like that. It would be harder, since you only have a tiny handle, but you don't need a lot of torque to push a lightsaber through flesh.

    • @kimarous
      @kimarous 10 років тому

      Daniel Carrier Rotate it how? The concept of the black lock is that the blades are, well, locked together and can only change position after being pulled apart.

    • @madichelp0
      @madichelp0 10 років тому +2

      You can still rotate the blades if they're locked at a point. Just steer his force to your right and you'll have an easy time cutting him from the left.

    • @DanielLCarrier
      @DanielLCarrier 10 років тому

      I expected it was supposed to be like having a lot of friction, but you could still roll it. Even if it's not, if you rotate along the axis of the other guy's saber, they won't be ably to put enough torque on it to stop you.

    • @evilassaultweaponeer
      @evilassaultweaponeer 10 років тому +9

      Let's also remember the sabers in Spaceballs, which become severely entwined and impossible to move in this situation. :P

  • @Leto_0
    @Leto_0 5 років тому +2

    People might say that you should just ignore it and enjoy the film. But if we demand authenticity, then anything great that is produced with realism will be truly great. We've gotten accustomed to expecting hyperbole and exaggeration. Then we grow up and realize that truly epic things are rare, and when they are made commonplace life gets dull.
    We can lower our standards and be happy with superficial beauty, or we can demand better and search for the diamonds in the rough.
    Everybody likes a girl who looks good in makeup, but when it comes time to settle down you'd better find someone you like to look at without makeup

  • @dredneck2853
    @dredneck2853 8 років тому +6

    laughed so hard... "you just go *pplrbb* and stab him in the face"

  • @nicholaspatton5590
    @nicholaspatton5590 6 років тому

    You're great Lindybeige! Your videos always bring joy to my day and a smile to my face.

  • @JonathanBennettKorea
    @JonathanBennettKorea 8 років тому +46

    This is actually part of Kendo, the Japanese sword art, but it isn't meant to be an extended contact like the movies. You make contact, push back against your opponent and strike for the head or side as you jump back out of his strike.

    • @Dizzykitty817
      @Dizzykitty817 8 років тому +18

      I came here to say this. Similar to boxers hugging, this is done in kendo to cancel all momentum and "reset" the match. And like boxing, puts both people in an equal position to end the match in an instant. The high stakes nature causes sword locks to linger a few seconds as the two swordsmen read, intimidate, and bait each other.
      In other words, everything LindyBeige said is true, however he isn't considering that each swordsman might be standing there trying to read what one of the few "next moves" the other guy is going to do and a viable counter strategy.Or perhaps two guys naturally coming to a neutral position momentarily to catch their breath. You see that quite a bit in boxing actually.
      However, we can all agree no one is going to push to edges together with all their might causing sparks and whatnot thats displayed in movies.

    • @JonathanBennettKorea
      @JonathanBennettKorea 7 років тому

      olaolapepsiman kendo is a short built on the sword manuals of Japanese samurai schools. so, yes, it's a sport, just like boxing, MMA, fencing, wrestling, judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu...

    • @Dizzykitty817
      @Dizzykitty817 7 років тому +12

      olaolapepsiman
      you are right. Real Japanese swordsman utilize spirit bombs and all 7 chakra gates.

    • @AnakinSkyobiliviator
      @AnakinSkyobiliviator 7 років тому

      Which is sort if ironic considering katana so isn't very good to receive/lock blades.

    • @Dizzykitty817
      @Dizzykitty817 7 років тому +1

      olaolapepsiman
      As someone who practiced kendo, there is enough in there to be "useful" in a "real" situation. The problem a lot of people seem to have, which is what this video is about,been too enchanted by most of the fancy sword stuff you see in movies; it's just not efficient enough. Kendo teaches you the most efficient way to end a sword fight. A lightning fast strike to the wrist, abdomen, head and sometimes neck.
      However, saying something is good in a "real" situation is just silly.

  • @KTChamberlain
    @KTChamberlain 8 років тому +5

    It's kind of like why Tuco surreptitiously shot that one-armed bounty hunter who thought he had him cornered in a tub. "When you have to shoot, shoot--don't talk." Now apply that to stabbing and there you go.

    • @ergbudster3333
      @ergbudster3333 8 років тому

      I hope you said that with the appropriate Mexican Bandit accent as per the old joke "Do I know Pancho Sartuches?"

  • @SimonWackerle
    @SimonWackerle 6 років тому

    Always fun watching you discussing something like that^^

  • @blueviper8622
    @blueviper8622 5 років тому +1

    I like the idea of a fart noise whenever someone gets stabbed on the face with a dagger

  • @Lazyguy22
    @Lazyguy22 10 років тому +1

    "But if your way is consensual as part of a marriage, then it's not exactly wicked, is it?"
    "Blast! Curse you and your upright character and forthright philosophising!"
    "Well, that's why I'm the goodie - take that, villein!"
    "Accursed hegemon!"

  • @zackwhite5959
    @zackwhite5959 8 років тому

    I've always wondered what the point of the "sword pushing" move was. But I really like your explanation, which is that it's great for so many aspects of film making. Interesting point lol.

  • @chrismccue9421
    @chrismccue9421 7 років тому

    I think about this quite often. Thank you for making a video about it. Hopefully Hollywood guys will see this and feel sad.

  • @cameronmcallister7606
    @cameronmcallister7606 8 років тому

    "Do not interrupt the enemy when they're making a mistake, it's rude" I feel as though that applied a little too well, so neither one nor the other wished to interrupt.

  • @alwaysbearded1
    @alwaysbearded1 4 роки тому

    I agree with this assessment as I had that experience once. Two swords each, running duel through a "castle" and the bigger, stronger guy I was fighting pinned me against the wall (he hung sheet rock for a living and was a good fencer too). I thought, cool, dramatic, but silly and painful. The wall was hard and had pointy bits. They never say anything about that in the movies. I could not out push him away but with blades (all 4) crossed neither of us could get in a thrust and he could not really crush me nor I hurt him. It was a stalemate. I think we both just laughed so hard we stopped. Normally sword and dagger would have been a better choice because you always have a short weapon in case you get in too close. However, we only had the swords. Fun times.

  • @cmdreteri7791
    @cmdreteri7791 8 років тому +1

    To be fair, the pushing occasionally happens with one person backed against a cliff. So I guess it has a purpose in that case.

  • @geneticexpert1
    @geneticexpert1 9 років тому +1

    this video is accurate... in the real world. however in the world of star wars jedi reflexes come into play, at which point a sword lock would realistically become a stalemate until the two adversaries break apart. assuming the two are somewhat equally matched in usage of the force. id only expect other star wars nerds to understand this... part of what makes star wars so fucking awesome.

  • @MrClickity
    @MrClickity 6 років тому

    This trope is why I loved the one scene in Game of Thrones season 1 where Jamie Lannister didn't waste any time trying to push his opponent back. He just used his sword to briefly bind up his opponent's sword, pulled out his dagger, and stabbed the other guy through the eye.

  • @AndrewIsbell
    @AndrewIsbell 10 років тому +8

    Hi Lindy please do a video (or series!) on which ancient or medieval era weapon would be best in different modern-day self defense scenarios!

    • @GlobstersMessenger
      @GlobstersMessenger 10 років тому +3

      The best weapon for personal defence would be the ones we already use in the modern world for personal defence.
      Short knives, pistols are analogous with daggers or early pistols, the former applying to almost every conceivable scenario, the latter only really being relevant when you're going into something expecting trouble.
      Daggers and pistols have always been PDWs, as handguns and knives continue to be in contemporary societies.

    • @AndrewIsbell
      @AndrewIsbell 10 років тому +1

      GlobstersMessenger Of course but I would go take a self defense course if I really wanted to know how to defend myself. I ask for entertainment purposes only and to pick Lindy's brain

    • @GlobstersMessenger
      @GlobstersMessenger 10 років тому

      Andrew Isbell Of course. just idly chatting. It'd be interesting to see exactly what Lindy thinks about personal defence weapons and such.

    • @Segalmed
      @Segalmed 10 років тому +3

      mace of course. Now in a handy can instead of on a cumbersomne stick as in the olden days. ;-)

    • @GlobstersMessenger
      @GlobstersMessenger 10 років тому +1

      Segalmed Well weighted/tipped canes have been around for a while, pretty similar in their concept to a mace?

  • @catra195
    @catra195 3 роки тому

    I imagine when Lindy comes up with the ideas for these vids he's in his living room swinging around his sword and acting out scenes in movies by himself.

  • @DivineChronometer
    @DivineChronometer 10 років тому

    A wonderful example and then inversion of the trope is in the Warhammer Online cinematic trailer. The Chosen of Chaos and Sigmarite Warrior Priest are locked in dramatic push combat with their mace and warhammer and then the Chosen has a moment of insight and knees the Warrior priest in the ribs and then kills him with a mace to the head.
    Warhammer Online Cinematic Trailer!

  • @BlueMarten
    @BlueMarten 8 років тому

    - I saw one or two SCA participant comments, but no one mentioned this sort of lock-up DOES occur in one-on-one fights with SCA great swords (6ft) and bastard swords (4ft). No one usually has the breath to say anything, because both are furiously pushing trying to gain an advantage from which they can disengage their weapon and swing. We're fully armored, so the lever-action cut described here is hard to deliver with enough force. The drawing of a dagger is possible, if you have one on your person, but of course you run a serious risk of a fumble. This could be entirely a product of our rule system, in which "Grappling, tripping, throwing, punching, kicking, and wrestling are prohibited," and shots below the knees are not allowed/counted. However, I feel that at least brief struggles like this would be feasible in combat, though only brief, because, as pointed out, someone is quickly going to do something clever to change the situation.

  • @shigerutakeo
    @shigerutakeo 8 років тому

    That mouth-fart bit at the end made me laugh so much.. :p But yes, pursuing the challenge of staying alive, you would do anything..

  • @screamingblue7
    @screamingblue7 7 років тому

    Having practiced western martial arts for some years now, I agree that there are many options in that position and the opponent is also wrestling for control and those many options at the same time. Sometimes that verbal sparring is one of the options to distract. So is foot stomping, shoving, using the armored off hand to grasp the blade.
    But on to the two you raised. Even if the pivot to place the blade on the opponent is successful (for you know he is going to do all he can to counter it by re-positioning his blade at the same time, feeling the telegraphed intention through the strong point of contact), the edge of the blade needs to generate sufficient force to cut the opponent (not likely from that starting position) and stepping back gives up control. Of course, this assumes that both swordsmen are similarly skilled and experienced. Too often the hero is the lesser skilled in these shows and ought to get his comeuppance.

  • @haijyvelho
    @haijyvelho 10 років тому +1

    If you're not honorable, you could even kick someone quite painfully in the knee and make them fall down.

  • @Verrisin
    @Verrisin 7 років тому +1

    don't forget that the swords sparkle! (during those scenes; sometimes)

  • @CREDLACE
    @CREDLACE 8 місяців тому

    NINE YEARS LATER and this madlad still got me at "She's got thick ankles!"

  • @danieljensen2626
    @danieljensen2626 5 років тому +1

    Better yet, take it to the next level. Push your swords against each other, and then pull your daggers out and push THOSE against each other. Surely that would be twice as good!

  • @oceanman4166
    @oceanman4166 5 років тому +7

    0:37
    "Too bad for you that I'm gay!"
    And the villain is caught so off guard that he gives in and is slain immediately

  • @robertguttman1487
    @robertguttman1487 6 років тому

    I fenced for a while in College. Practically the first thing the fencing coach told us was that what they do in the movies is not fencing, it is merely choreography.

  • @RC-1290
    @RC-1290 10 років тому

    I love that (relatively)new outro :D

  • @AE-jo2fy
    @AE-jo2fy 5 років тому +1

    I feel like a movie made by somone who actually takes lindybeige's advice would be incredebly original and entertaining.

  • @Svoorhout85
    @Svoorhout85 10 років тому

    I remember a videogame where you could do this. Both players would then have to push a button rapidly in a short time, whoever mashed the most would win the struggle and stagger the other player leaving him open for attack.

  • @HxTrEmEcHaOs
    @HxTrEmEcHaOs 10 років тому

    Another day made better with the witty, sharp humor of Lindybeige.

  • @Siegbert85
    @Siegbert85 8 років тому +1

    Game of Thrones often enough goes for the dagger option, but yeah, it's depicted as a trickster move. I don't picture Jon Snow doing that... only shady characters like Jaime Lannister

  • @johnrohde5510
    @johnrohde5510 8 років тому

    The shoving and staring occurs now and then in sabre fencing and would I suspect have occurred in sabre duels or combats using that technique. That's how Erroll Flynn and Bsil Rahbone fight in, The Adventures Of Robin Hood, or the protagonists in either talkie version of The Prisoner Of Zenda. Cultural conventions maintained even in the shadow of death, were a part of the military ethos. The ones shown were specific to to how the age in which the films were made saw it's past and itself.

  • @BeepingMetal
    @BeepingMetal 9 років тому +54

    I accidently paused at 0:58. Never again.

    • @AlexBjelich
      @AlexBjelich 9 років тому +21

      BeepingMetal HE'S LOOKING INTO MY SOUL

    • @alimertc
      @alimertc 6 років тому +3

      He is like "How dare you(pause)!?"

  • @rodneycobble5481
    @rodneycobble5481 6 років тому +5

    "Once I'm done with you I'll marry her and have my wicked way with her!"
    "Well I never liked her any way she's got thick ankles"

  • @Lemon_Sage9999
    @Lemon_Sage9999 8 років тому +3

    Lindy "a point about" Beige

  • @FirstLifeFan
    @FirstLifeFan 6 років тому

    Now I really, really want to see a sword fight that shows us someone getting out of the "pushing swords"-situation in the way you describe... it would be awesome!

  • @SwordHMX
    @SwordHMX 2 роки тому

    Something that makes the sword fight in Die Another Day so great (as well as most Hamlet movies) is that they stay away from this dumb trope. It only works with lightsabers, because they are difficult to separate when they stick together.

  • @bstandsforbuilding5567
    @bstandsforbuilding5567 9 років тому

    This guy has a special sense of humor; i love it.

  • @InformationIsTheEdge
    @InformationIsTheEdge 10 років тому +1

    "I've never really liked her anyway. She's got thick ankles." Brilliant.

    • @winstonmiller9649
      @winstonmiller9649 3 роки тому +1

      Making a comment about fat ankles is bound to distract the villain and make him think twice about his dastardly intentions towards the hero's girlfriend

  • @darthhodges
    @darthhodges 3 роки тому

    I have heard it posited that in Star Wars this happens because the electromagnetic fields that contain the plasma that makes up lightsaber blades will interact with each other and bind on occasion. The movie Spaceballs parodied this idea in a most entertaining way when they got literally twisted.

  • @thecritc102
    @thecritc102 9 років тому +1

    "Jus stab 'em the face!"
    Can we get lindybiege T- shirts with that on it? Id buy

  • @danmorgan3685
    @danmorgan3685 10 років тому

    It's almost like the collar and elbow lock in professional wrestling. Dramatic and doesn't really do much.

  • @Bloodnihilism
    @Bloodnihilism 10 років тому +1

    It's not dastardly! He's trying to kill you!

  • @ArchAngelSlayer1
    @ArchAngelSlayer1 4 роки тому +1

    I want to see a movie that is the culmination of all these things happening and then we're anticlimactically and unceremoniously shown what would have really happened. The hero would be making all the bad guys look like fools. Lindybeige needs a cameo as the guy who runs out and say, "Oi you twit, did you just cut my rope? That was a good bit of rope what's wrong with you?!"

  • @3personal5me8
    @3personal5me8 8 років тому

    I always figured one of the best courses of action would be to bring my own blade over my head so I could boop his nose quite heard with the pommel, not so much because it would kill but because a blow to the nose is quite disorienting, and would leave him blurry eyed, in pain, and wide open

  • @svillegassmusic
    @svillegassmusic 8 років тому

    That's why I love Jamie Lanister. When he and Jory were pushing against each other he just pulled out a dagger and stabbed him in the face

  • @TheTaterTotP80
    @TheTaterTotP80 6 років тому +1

    Nothing wrong with thick ankles. Shouldn't judge on looks though (although they're subjective either way). Especially what people can't change.

  • @TheGabzKhalif
    @TheGabzKhalif 9 років тому

    That bit with dagger being dastardly? Game of thrones season 1, were Jaime lannister kills jory with the dagger to the eye... That was great, the look on his face! "You are so evil for carrying that dagger with you Jaime!" Hahaha

  • @Alzahar_Negatheron
    @Alzahar_Negatheron 8 років тому

    i just love these quotes at the end!

  • @RockZerr
    @RockZerr 5 років тому +1

    the bady sounds like a good guy and the good guy sounds like a bady

  • @henrymach
    @henrymach 10 років тому +2

    Matt already addressed this issue on his videos. He showed exactly the same things.

    • @rebirth2526
      @rebirth2526 10 років тому +1

      not only the same things but better explanation and show very practical ways to counter the situation.

  • @ala5530
    @ala5530 10 років тому

    Other options (may have already been discussed in the comments- pivot blade the other way and poke 'em in the eye/throat with the quillions; pivot harder and pommel to the face; maintain the push and headbutt; or the perennial street-fighting favourite (assuming no armour in the way)- knee to the groin.
    They really will not be liking that...