I have a really really nice 100 year old Racine power hacksaw. I talk to a collector and he said it's only one of two that he ever seen that it was this old it was converted 2 utilize a motor. The big four inch wide leather belt is that an enormous pulley. It would have made short work of that black and I am so glad that I found this machine. It's not as versatile as a bandsaw but I tell you what it works great. I bought it for a hundred fifty bucks cuz the guy said oh it's falling apart! It was not falling apart at all it was some loose bolts and it had never ever been cleaned it took me an entire Saturday to clean it and I got an entire 5 gallon bucket worth of chips out of the bed and Chip pan. There was not an ounce of rust on it it was so greasy it was protected. I just love old machines I'm really sick probably dying actually they say I'm beating my condition but it sure don't feel like it most of the time. Most days I can't do anything but when I can I go out to my garage and I work on my machines as best as I can. I tell you what after a couple hours of working making myself feel useful I actually feel a little better physically. Maybe it's just because I feel like I accomplished something I don't know. My brother-in-laws company he works for gave me a hardinge lathe it's beautiful shape they said it doesn't work anymore. their maintenance guy said it's fried LOL he did not know what he was doing he had everything wired backwards he had the limit switches physically wired backwards instead of fixing them he put a note on the machine to change the directions of the speeds LOL. And he said another note do not go past this point on the speed indicator. That's because the limit switches were wired backwards!!!! It would have crashed the the motor that altars of pulleys if you go all the way to the end because there's no limit switch! There were bad connections all over the place it took me a total of 1 hour to find all the problems and then another 2 hours to fix them and they're paying that guy $25 an hour. When they gave it to me it was after a big Power Surge and he said the machine got fried LOL the 440 to 220 Step Down Transformer is what got fried! I was running on three phase 220 in the to begin with so I just bypass this stupid thing! Anyway I got a couple of Lay's a mill that's a piece of junk from China it's actually zx so it isn't a little toy one at least but I really want a nice manual Bridgeport. I don't know why I'm telling all you this I just gets am on a roll LOL a paragraph anyway I love your videos and when I saw you cut in that big old hunk of Steel I thought to myself man he could just slice that right off with my Racine
You make your shop look and sound like an old time machine shop, with the shaper's sound and the hand scraping, guess it's more about the fun you have doing it than the hurry for a finished part...
I've had that same (except for color) little band saw for about 40 years. Mine came from Santa Fe Freight but it's the same saw. It' been great and still works perfectly. The only thing I changed was to make a taller stand so I don't have to bend over to work with it.
If you lighten the feed by hand a bit on the saw at the very beginning of the cut, you'll end up with a much straighter cut. The weight of the saw at the beginning of the cut can tip the blade a bit, and get it started in an unexpected direction. I have a very similar saw, and have a love hate relationship with it.
Thanks everybody I really hope you enjoy. If you would like to help support the shop and me being able to share new things please hit the donate button on the home page of my channel. Any and all donations stay in the shop and are aimed at bringing better content for you the viewer. I really do appreciate each and every one of my subscribers new and old. Thank you Steve Summers
Hey Steve, As you can see I'm chiming in a bit late here as I see this was done some time ago, but none the less I can see the amount of work it takes to bring things together. Nice job, and I'm off to see part two. The shaper is definitely a cool piece of equipment! Razor!
Morning Steve - impressed with those home done straight edges. I have a Richard King straight edge that I need to scrape - some day soon I tell myself.
House of Broken Dobbs Things _ Get in there and start scraping it in. I really enjoy it for a day or two at a time. After that the arms and shoulders make me quit👍
really nice video , well done steve :) i thought at the end that watching the movement of a shaper for a longer period of time might cause some hypnotic effects lol, . keep up doing like you do now. all the best for you and your family .
For shaper chip control, rather than a stop, I have used a rectangular to round ductwork transition to guide the chips into a bucket. Setup details and exact parts vary with the job, but the parts are cheap, available as scrap, and can be modified in seconds to funnel the chips to the collection bucket.
I like what you have shown us. The scraping is sort of fantastic. Consider, when you are trying to transfer the bluing to a part that is lopsided, maybe transfer the bluing to one of your straight edges and then going to the part and transfer to bluing from the edge to the part. The way you choose to do it worked well as verified by the results. I really like watching the old shaper in action. If you haven't already checked it out, one of ABOM79's recent videos shows a chip bucket that is fitted to the shaper great for catching chips.
I have steel slivers in both hands at the moment, can see them with a magnifying glass but sure do feel them. Great project to fix up the old lathe 👍🏼 - Richard
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin Thanks Richard very good to see you. 👍 My old lathe need alot of attention. I bought it knowing that it had seen better days but it was the right price and in a location I could get to in a few hours travel. Should be a fairly solid setup when I am finished.
HI Steve, looking good mate - bit late to this party but if you do something small like that that which will not 'lay flat' due to its uneven weight - see about making up a small plate as your standard to print your scraped surface - makes for a more consistent print. I like those chips - think I might take another look at my cutter shapes. Editing was good Steve. All the best mate. Mat
I have a band saw just about identical to yours. The blade I use is a reason Starrtt M42 prewelded blade,1/2" wide, .025" thick, 5ft4 1/2" length 18 pitch and RG set . I use this blade for everything crs, 0-1 tool steel, aluminum,brass, stainless steel,wood . I haven't found anything that it doesn't work very well. It also cuts a lot straighter . And no I am not a salesman for Starrett . Though they should pay me something for this.
I love your videos. I literally just settle in with my dog on afternoons like this and just watch you. You need a TV show. Humor and content are televisionl deal quality. Question because I know you're a keener, would you consider making a video on fabbing a coolant system on your saw? Just a tray set up some how and a cheap pump that can be opened and cleaned....I think youll find it cuts better and maybe faster although I know you're not the in a hurry type. Just a project idea from a fellow tool maker. Good on ya Steve. I'm going to show this channel to the boys I know. Also I had a question I know you're not trying to turn this into a jobber shop but....... Could I pay you handsomely to see what you come with in terms of a center pin/float reel project?
Billy C Hey Billy Thanks for watching and good to see you again👍. Never given any thought to making a reel. Some are beautiful pieces of work. Seems that making one on manual equipment in today's world of cnc would be extremely time consuming. Not that it couldn't be done. But if I wanted one for myself I would buy it😃.
Have you looked at the cutting edge of your scraper with strong magnification? I have tried to get a good geometry by hand sharpening similar to what you showed, and just couldn't get an even edge. Once I made a jig for sharpening, the much improved geometry made my steel scraping so much easier! Nice job on the presentation, I appreciate all the editing you must have done to boil down all those hours to one reasonable video. You keep making 'em, I'll keep watching 'em.
somebody else I had good luck hand sharpening the small scraper 90% of the time. Sometimes I don't get a good edge but I just hit it again till it works. I don't wait till the scraper is real dull before resharpening. As soon as the needed effort increases I hit the lap. I also just barely touch the lap, no real pressure when touching the edge to the lap.👍
Thanks Steve, Great info here. Do you remember what size piece of carbide you used (for the smaller scraper), and where is a good source for carbide blanks? It seems fairly difficult to find.
bcbloc02 you are seeing correctly LOL, I scrap cast very slow. When I was scraping steel the harder I pushed the worse the surface finish got. Looked kinda like galing. I do go to slow, I could probably cut my number of cycles in haft if I would lean into the scraper more. Good to see you Brian 👍
Steve, you should have been working off your surface plate from the start. Having something perfectly parallel is far more useful than something that is mated to the inaccuracies of your lathe. Step scraping really helps to achieve a parallel surface and involves mapping out the rises and dips in the steel in manageable depths. You then scrape only the high area until it reaches the lower area and so on until you've reached your zero or your lowest point.
ThrowingItAway I did step scrap the compound, I just did not show the process. If you have an Instagram account you can see a photo of me in the process. My Instagram account is @stevesummers80. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment, I really appreciate it 👍
Some of the cause of the change in the flatness is cause by the stress in cutting and heat build up . Not so much the holding in the vise. You can fill in the old tee slot even to add more strength or rigidity.
I get the idea of scraping a flat surface but can't image how to print or blue the square or parallel or dove tail. Like when you were doing the top of the compound, it was roughly square before but you turning it over is just getting that surface flat but not necessarily parallel? Great videos. Love em!
Shaun Tucker I get a surface parallel by checking with the indicator on the plate and scraping it in. If one side is out I will remove material from the high side until they match. I don't know that there is enough room in the comments section to explain dovetails😃.
I understand! thanks scraping and checking seem so willy nilly or as MR pete says by guess and by gosh. Thanks for your time. one surface seams easy to understand the others are mind blowing to me for any kind of precision
How critical is the accuracy of the toolpost mounting surfaces? As far as I can tell it would only influence tool geometry, and to a very minor degree at that
Just because I don't know any better why not cut the top flat and parallel by using the shaper or a Mill.. Just asking. Thanks for sharing it with us. Look forward to the rest.
terry cannon No problem Terry, I'll tell ya. The reason is that machining would not make the two surfaces mate together the way they need in order to be real solid. Hand scraping will make sure that when the two surfaces are bolted together they will mate well . When two very flat surfaces are in contact they will not rock because the contact is evenly spread across the entire part.
Hi steve, im sure i have seen shapers here on youtube where people have it set ip with the chips being thrown towards and not away from the machine. Are some shapers able to have that capability? Take care 👍
Hi Steve, I love your channel and binge watch frequently... I know that’s an 18” Hendey gearhead lathe, probably WWII era or slightly after, but what’s the top speed? I have an 18”x10’ Hendey conehead tiebar lathe, myself...
I Love The Way You Fly By The Seat Of Your Pants, A Wise Mentor Would Always Remind Me " IF IT Was Easy Any Body Could Do It . We Will Figure It Out !!! "
Stephen Wagar Thanks :-) I don't mind trying new things because I always learn so much from the experience. A person that's afraid to try something they have not done before will never do much. I just try to go about it with some foward thought. I make some mistakes in the process but that's just the way it works👍
Steve, thanks for the update on your projects. I have the same lathe and was wondering if you have ever measured the wear on the v-ways of the bed? Mine came out of UCLA's engineering department shop and probably saw a lot of use by students. I'm afraid to look into it too deeply because it'll bug me whereas right now I just suspect there is a problem. Craig
what about the Machine with the white grinding wheel, I think you you used it to level some thing I am an old timer memory is a little on the slow side. But mill those surfaces you are scraping??? old timer - my self I would try it.
I love watching your videos even though I have no experience doing anything you do but I do have a question. Why would you scrape a part rather than lap it flat?
Gaz Pyrotechnics Thanks, I glad you watch! Lapping is something you would use to refine a part that is almost where you want it already. The material removal of a lap is almost nothing and would take longer. For machine ways scraped on scraped surfaces hold oil in the small pockets left behind and wear longer.👍
Steve Summers Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks a lot Steve and happy new year to you and you’re wife from Inverness in the Scottish Highlands.
Joe A LoL, no, that's what I thought when I watched it. But that not the case. When I get tired my eyes just keep closing until I fall over from exhaustion 😩
@@SteveSummers right happens to most people getting tired and also they can't think straight then, i thought for example what if your lathe was simply standing crooked and or its ways are slightly worn on the front side while you trying to do all the work on the cross slide?🙄😁😋
Lov e ya like a brother (because a lot of the things you make reminds me of me,,,,Especially rebuiilding ""barn Finds") Now that's gerat workmanshipthere but arn't you trying to make your point the hard way? Didn'tI see a surface grinder in your shop? For wha you are doing there 10 minutes minutes on the surface grinder would not only make it pretty damn flat bur would also make it paralell within a couple of thenths with the cross slide ways.
Give you a thumbs up for your do it your self work but if you could get with other machinist that have a surface grinder that would got you flat across both surfaces in both directions then would be no need to scrape in ??
Kyle Greer for the fit I was after and video content showing different methods I decided to scrape the surfaces flat. 👍 Thanks for watching, good to see you
Steve Summers yes sir got that thank you for showing how you can get it done with out machines like your Videos keep it up also check out Abom he's got a new shaper a g&e big one miss a part that auto advanced cross feed he need help to locate parts maybe you can help him?
DSCKy It is just more accurate. And will leave me with surfaces that mate better. Basically I am just improving the surface contact between parts. Thanks for watching
David Legg If you are referring to the scraping then the answer is no. Surface grinders get stuff pretty flat but for a real flat surface scraping is the way to go. Grinding produces lots of heat. Also for sliding surfaces a scraped surface provides super small oil pockets.
David Legg luck and constantly looking for something I could afford was and is the only reason I have what I have. Sometimes when I give up looking is when I find what I'm looking for. Funny how it works.
Hi Steve: I enjoy your presentations and meticulous work ethics. Concerning tool post rigidity I wish to point out to you that the top slide, is the Achilles heel of turning rigidity on a lathe, due to the stack up of moving parts and hard to control free play on so many components. An ideal solution is a so called solid mount, for the lathe tool post. An elegant version was presented by Robrenz some time ago. This does not eliminate the use of the top slide or compound slide, but given the rare use of same, can be removed and replaced as needed. Such alternative will be a revelation to you on how fast and hard your lathe can work without vibration, transmitted chatter and improved finish. Watch his video here. ua-cam.com/video/pG3YSfgyJPI/v-deo.html Regards Jorge
Hammer0f Thor I agree, It always surprised me how a "machinist" can abuse equipment so bad. If I was guessing I would say the guy that did all the damage did not own the lathe or need to pay for damage due to neglect. Sad really because a lathe like this if properly cared for would easily last 3 lifetimes. My dad said "Some folks could break an anvil"
LoL Yeah but its the only way I can mate them the way I want. Lots of the things I'm doing to this compound are somewhat pointless but I like doing it. I could have easily just put the compound in the shaper or mill and machined it flat then bolted the plate to the top and it would have been more than fine. I learn lots for little projects like this.
I am much older than you and kind of impatient and lazy too. lol I would have glass bedded the plate to the cross slide and moved on. I know, I am a hack. lol I sure appreciate your videos and all the time you spend making them.
J Hefflinger LOL, Thanks. I would toss and turn in the bed at night if I did that.. But in reality it would probably work just fine. Thanks for watching J I really appreciate it , my issue is I don't know when to leave well enough alone 🤔.
helluva project Steve! looking forward to seeing it come together.
This Old Tony Well Well,look who it is. Very nice to see you Tony. 👍👍👍
I have a really really nice 100 year old Racine power hacksaw. I talk to a collector and he said it's only one of two that he ever seen that it was this old it was converted 2 utilize a motor. The big four inch wide leather belt is that an enormous pulley. It would have made short work of that black and I am so glad that I found this machine. It's not as versatile as a bandsaw but I tell you what it works great. I bought it for a hundred fifty bucks cuz the guy said oh it's falling apart! It was not falling apart at all it was some loose bolts and it had never ever been cleaned it took me an entire Saturday to clean it and I got an entire 5 gallon bucket worth of chips out of the bed and Chip pan. There was not an ounce of rust on it it was so greasy it was protected.
I just love old machines I'm really sick probably dying actually they say I'm beating my condition but it sure don't feel like it most of the time. Most days I can't do anything but when I can I go out to my garage and I work on my machines as best as I can. I tell you what after a couple hours of working making myself feel useful I actually feel a little better physically. Maybe it's just because I feel like I accomplished something I don't know. My brother-in-laws company he works for gave me a hardinge lathe it's beautiful shape they said it doesn't work anymore. their maintenance guy said it's fried LOL he did not know what he was doing he had everything wired backwards he had the limit switches physically wired backwards instead of fixing them he put a note on the machine to change the directions of the speeds LOL. And he said another note do not go past this point on the speed indicator. That's because the limit switches were wired backwards!!!! It would have crashed the the motor that altars of pulleys if you go all the way to the end because there's no limit switch! There were bad connections all over the place it took me a total of 1 hour to find all the problems and then another 2 hours to fix them and they're paying that guy $25 an hour. When they gave it to me it was after a big Power Surge and he said the machine got fried LOL the 440 to 220 Step Down Transformer is what got fried! I was running on three phase 220 in the to begin with so I just bypass this stupid thing!
Anyway I got a couple of Lay's a mill that's a piece of junk from China it's actually zx so it isn't a little toy one at least but I really want a nice manual Bridgeport. I don't know why I'm telling all you this I just gets am on a roll LOL a paragraph anyway I love your videos and when I saw you cut in that big old hunk of Steel I thought to myself man he could just slice that right off with my Racine
You make your shop look and sound like an old time machine shop, with the shaper's sound and the hand scraping, guess it's more about the fun you have doing it than the hurry for a finished part...
Pierre's Garage I'm in no real hurry, I'm not in the shop for money. I just have fun doing the projects and learning new skills👍
Great show, Steve. Thanks for showing the scraper in action...fun to watch and a great way to do the work. Don't slice yourself on those chips!
Great video - never seen steel scraped before. I too never tire of watching the shaper run. 👍😊. Look forward to part 2.
I've had that same (except for color) little band saw for about 40 years. Mine came from Santa Fe Freight but it's the same saw. It' been great and still works perfectly. The only thing I changed was to make a taller stand so I don't have to bend over to work with it.
If you lighten the feed by hand a bit on the saw at the very beginning of the cut, you'll end up with a much straighter cut. The weight of the saw at the beginning of the cut can tip the blade a bit, and get it started in an unexpected direction. I have a very similar saw, and have a love hate relationship with it.
Thanks everybody I really hope you enjoy. If you would like to help support the shop and me being able to share new things please hit the donate button on the home page of my channel. Any and all donations stay in the shop and are aimed at bringing better content for you the viewer. I really do appreciate each and every one of my subscribers new and old.
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Great video Steve. Interesting as always. Looking forward to the next one in the series. Cheers
Nice to see scraping done without $3000.00 in tools. Keep up the good work, very interesting.
horkinyorkin Thanks, I just made everything over time and so can anyone else 👍 Thanks for stopping by
Steve,
I really enjoy watching your content.
Thanks
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Gary Jones Thank you very much, I enjoy sharing the experience.
Enjoyed Steve!
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Hey Steve,
As you can see I'm chiming in a bit late here as I see this was done some time ago, but none the less I can see the amount of work it takes to bring things together. Nice job, and I'm off to see part two. The shaper is definitely a cool piece of equipment!
Razor!
Morning Steve - impressed with those home done straight edges. I have a Richard King straight edge that I need to scrape - some day soon I tell myself.
House of Broken Dobbs Things _ Get in there and start scraping it in. I really enjoy it for a day or two at a time. After that the arms and shoulders make me quit👍
Wonderful! Thank you for sharing.
really nice video , well done steve :) i thought at the end that watching the movement of a shaper for a longer period of time might cause some hypnotic effects lol, . keep up doing like you do now. all the best for you and your family .
Steve, I like the shaper But I got an old Colchester lathe a few months ago. More Lathe repair/mod vids are right on time.
For shaper chip control, rather than a stop, I have used a rectangular to round ductwork transition to guide the chips into a bucket. Setup details and exact parts vary with the job, but the parts are cheap, available as scrap, and can be modified in seconds to funnel the chips to the collection bucket.
I like what you have shown us. The scraping is sort of fantastic. Consider, when you are trying to transfer the bluing to a part that is lopsided, maybe transfer the bluing to one of your straight edges and then going to the part and transfer to bluing from the edge to the part. The way you choose to do it worked well as verified by the results. I really like watching the old shaper in action. If you haven't already checked it out, one of ABOM79's recent videos shows a chip bucket that is fitted to the shaper great for catching chips.
Nothing like getting a shoulder workout in the shop. :)
Keep up the good work, very interesting.
Thanks for the scraping tutorial!
You should check out the chip catcher that Abom made for his shaper it might work good for you.
I have steel slivers in both hands at the moment, can see them with a magnifying glass but sure do feel them. Great project to fix up the old lathe 👍🏼 - Richard
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin Thanks Richard very good to see you. 👍 My old lathe need alot of attention. I bought it knowing that it had seen better days but it was the right price and in a location I could get to in a few hours travel. Should be a fairly solid setup when I am finished.
HI Steve, looking good mate - bit late to this party but if you do something small like that that which will not 'lay flat' due to its uneven weight - see about making up a small plate as your standard to print your scraped surface - makes for a more consistent print. I like those chips - think I might take another look at my cutter shapes. Editing was good Steve. All the best mate. Mat
Thanks Matt, a smaller plate to take to the part would be better, that makes scene.
loved the video learned lots. thanks.
I have a band saw just about identical to yours.
The blade I use is a reason Starrtt M42 prewelded blade,1/2" wide, .025" thick, 5ft4 1/2" length 18 pitch and
RG set . I use this blade for everything crs, 0-1 tool steel, aluminum,brass, stainless steel,wood .
I haven't found anything
that it doesn't work very well. It also cuts a lot straighter . And no I am not a salesman for Starrett . Though they should pay me something for this.
Very nice steve
I love your videos. I literally just settle in with my dog on afternoons like this and just watch you. You need a TV show. Humor and content are televisionl deal quality. Question because I know you're a keener, would you consider making a video on fabbing a coolant system on your saw? Just a tray set up some how and a cheap pump that can be opened and cleaned....I think youll find it cuts better and maybe faster although I know you're not the in a hurry type. Just a project idea from a fellow tool maker. Good on ya Steve. I'm going to show this channel to the boys I know. Also I had a question I know you're not trying to turn this into a jobber shop but....... Could I pay you handsomely to see what you come with in terms of a center pin/float reel project?
Billy C Hey Billy Thanks for watching and good to see you again👍. Never given any thought to making a reel. Some are beautiful pieces of work.
Seems that making one on manual equipment in today's world of cnc would be extremely time consuming. Not that it couldn't be done. But if I wanted one for myself I would buy it😃.
Have you looked at the cutting edge of your scraper with strong magnification? I have tried to get a good geometry by hand sharpening similar to what you showed, and just couldn't get an even edge. Once I made a jig for sharpening, the much improved geometry made my steel scraping so much easier!
Nice job on the presentation, I appreciate all the editing you must have done to boil down all those hours to one reasonable video. You keep making 'em, I'll keep watching 'em.
somebody else I had good luck hand sharpening the small scraper 90% of the time. Sometimes I don't get a good edge but I just hit it again till it works. I don't wait till the scraper is real dull before resharpening. As soon as the needed effort increases I hit the lap. I also just barely touch the lap, no real pressure when touching the edge to the lap.👍
looking good steve. :D
Emmas Spareroom Machineshop Well, Thank you very much Emma. It is a pleasure to see you.
shaper's working good
Thanks Steve, Great info here. Do you remember what size piece of carbide you used (for the smaller scraper), and where is a good source for carbide blanks? It seems fairly difficult to find.
Hello Craig, good to see you. I think its 1\8" thick. I have bought the blanks on Ebay before.
@@SteveSummers Cheers Steve - I will have a scout around on ebay. Cheers for the size and the pointer.
Hey, I am first! I am never first! Steve, Love the new intro. I have a similar project so this is just in time. Thanks
Hard to tell from here but it looks like you aren't pushing down hard enough when you scrape. Have you measured the depth of your scrape marks?
bcbloc02 you are seeing correctly LOL, I scrap cast very slow. When I was scraping steel the harder I pushed the worse the surface finish got. Looked kinda like galing. I do go to slow, I could probably cut my number of cycles in haft if I would lean into the scraper more. Good to see you Brian 👍
You ought to sell those shaper chips on E-Bay as punk rock earrings.........
Hill Top Machine Works LOL, "punk rock ear rings" Not only are they cool but also sharp as a razor😎
Steve, you should have been working off your surface plate from the start. Having something perfectly parallel is far more useful than something that is mated to the inaccuracies of your lathe.
Step scraping really helps to achieve a parallel surface and involves mapping out the rises and dips in the steel in manageable depths. You then scrape only the high area until it reaches the lower area and so on until you've reached your zero or your lowest point.
ThrowingItAway I did step scrap the compound, I just did not show the process. If you have an Instagram account you can see a photo of me in the process. My Instagram account is @stevesummers80. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment, I really appreciate it 👍
Some of the cause of the change in the flatness is cause by the stress in cutting and heat build up . Not so much the holding in the vise. You can fill in the old tee slot even to add more strength or rigidity.
1st, but not my last visit, nice job
I get the idea of scraping a flat surface but can't image how to print or blue the square or parallel or dove tail. Like when you were doing the top of the compound, it was roughly square before but you turning it over is just getting that surface flat but not necessarily parallel? Great videos. Love em!
Shaun Tucker I get a surface parallel by checking with the indicator on the plate and scraping it in. If one side is out I will remove material from the high side until they match. I don't know that there is enough room in the comments section to explain dovetails😃.
I understand! thanks
scraping and checking seem so willy nilly or as MR pete says by guess and by gosh. Thanks for your time. one surface seams easy to understand the others are mind blowing to me for any kind of precision
How critical is the accuracy of the toolpost mounting surfaces? As far as I can tell it would only influence tool geometry, and to a very minor degree at that
Rob Mckennie Yeah it really effects very little. I just want a stable known platform.
Just because I don't know any better why not cut the top flat and parallel by using the shaper or a Mill.. Just asking. Thanks for sharing it with us. Look forward to the rest.
terry cannon No problem Terry, I'll tell ya. The reason is that machining would not make the two surfaces mate together the way they need in order to be real solid. Hand scraping will make sure that when the two surfaces are bolted together they will mate well . When two very flat surfaces are in contact they will not rock because the contact is evenly spread across the entire part.
The shims , sometimes, can be an advantage to lower the chatter....
Hi steve, im sure i have seen shapers here on youtube where people have it set ip with the chips being thrown towards and not away from the machine. Are some shapers able to have that capability? Take care 👍
Hi Steve, I love your channel and binge watch frequently...
I know that’s an 18” Hendey gearhead lathe, probably WWII era or slightly after, but what’s the top speed? I have an 18”x10’ Hendey conehead tiebar lathe, myself...
Hey Steve, nice video. Where can I find a straight-edge like the one you use here? Thanks
J Abernathy I made it out of a large cast iron drain. 👍
Holy Crap! This is proof positive that Steve is a "Glutton for Punishment" ... Have you always been into S & M?
Newbie question ccoulddn't you use a surface grinder for both the plate you made and the lathe compound slide?
Maybe it could of been easier to just make a complete new compound from cast iron. But still a great project eager to see how it all comes out.
I Love The Way You Fly By The Seat Of Your Pants, A Wise Mentor Would Always Remind Me " IF IT Was Easy Any Body Could Do It . We Will Figure It Out !!! "
Stephen Wagar Thanks :-) I don't mind trying new things because I always learn so much from the experience. A person that's afraid to try something they have not done before will never do much. I just try to go about it with some foward thought. I make some mistakes in the process but that's just the way it works👍
Steve, thanks for the update on your projects. I have the same lathe and was wondering if you have ever measured the wear on the v-ways of the bed? Mine came out of UCLA's engineering department shop and probably saw a lot of use by students. I'm afraid to look into it too deeply because it'll bug me whereas right now I just suspect there is a problem. Craig
clemwyo I'd be afraid to measure the wear in the bed😲, It may cause me to scrap it in😕
Great stuff
Steve,
Given it's carbide...would a Green grit wheel not do?
Paddy
what about the Machine with the white grinding wheel, I think you you used it to level some thing I am an old timer memory is a little on the slow side. But mill those surfaces you are scraping??? old timer - my self I would try it.
Neat project, can't wait to see the final results. Did you take any measurements before starting to compare with your final state?
Muito bom, muito bom. Like, like, like.
I love watching your videos even though I have no experience doing anything you do but I do have a question. Why would you scrape a part rather than lap it flat?
Gaz Pyrotechnics Thanks, I glad you watch! Lapping is something you would use to refine a part that is almost where you want it already. The material removal of a lap is almost nothing and would take longer. For machine ways scraped on scraped surfaces hold oil in the small pockets left behind and wear longer.👍
Steve Summers Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks a lot Steve and happy new year to you and you’re wife from Inverness in the Scottish Highlands.
Why does it look like Steve just lit an enormous Blunt before he got in from of the camera
Joe A LoL, no, that's what I thought when I watched it. But that not the case. When I get tired my eyes just keep closing until I fall over from exhaustion 😩
@@SteveSummers right happens to most people getting tired and also they can't think straight then, i thought for example what if your lathe was simply standing crooked and or its ways are slightly worn on the front side while you trying to do all the work on the cross slide?🙄😁😋
thank you.
Every time I watch that big Cincinaty run, n then look at my little Atlas sitting there,,I feel so inadrquate
Now don't feel that way, its not the size of the shaper that matters :-)
Hi Steve I am looking for a shaper just like yours have you got any leads where a guy might find one
Lov e ya like a brother (because a lot of the things you make reminds me of me,,,,Especially rebuiilding ""barn Finds")
Now that's gerat workmanshipthere but arn't you trying to make your point the hard way? Didn'tI see a surface grinder in your shop? For wha you are doing there 10 minutes minutes on the surface grinder would not only make it pretty damn flat bur would also make it paralell within a couple of thenths with the cross slide ways.
Give you a thumbs up for your do it your self work but if you could get with other machinist that have a surface grinder that would got you flat across both surfaces in both directions then would be no need to scrape in ??
Kyle Greer for the fit I was after and video content showing different methods I decided to scrape the surfaces flat. 👍 Thanks for watching, good to see you
Steve Summers yes sir got that thank you for showing how you can get it done with out machines like your Videos keep it up also check out Abom he's got a new shaper a g&e big one miss a part that auto advanced cross feed he need help to locate parts maybe you can help him?
Why scrape instead of shaper?
DSCKy It is just more accurate. And will leave me with surfaces that mate better. Basically I am just improving the surface contact between parts. Thanks for watching
Excuse me for a novice question but wouldn't a surface grinder do the same thing?
David Legg If you are referring to the scraping then the answer is no. Surface grinders get stuff pretty flat but for a real flat surface scraping is the way to go. Grinding produces lots of heat. Also for sliding surfaces a scraped surface provides super small oil pockets.
Makes sense, Thanks, I would love to get a shaper but it took me 20 years to get a mill and a lathe.
David Legg luck and constantly looking for something I could afford was and is the only reason I have what I have. Sometimes when I give up looking is when I find what I'm looking for. Funny how it works.
Hi Steve: I enjoy your presentations and meticulous work ethics. Concerning tool post rigidity I wish to point out to you that the top slide, is the Achilles heel of turning rigidity on a lathe, due to the stack up of moving parts and hard to control free play on so many components.
An ideal solution is a so called solid mount, for the lathe tool post. An elegant version was presented by Robrenz some time ago. This does not eliminate the use of the top slide or compound slide, but given the rare use of same, can be removed and replaced as needed.
Such alternative will be a revelation to you on how fast and hard your lathe can work without vibration, transmitted chatter and improved finish. Watch his video here.
ua-cam.com/video/pG3YSfgyJPI/v-deo.html
Regards
Jorge
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I was able to download the machine reconditioning book at archive.org/details/MachineToolReconditioningEdwardF.Connelly
Looks like metal rats have been chewing on that lathe. Must have been some sloppy machinist to continually crash that cross slide.
Hammer0f Thor I agree, It always surprised me how a "machinist" can abuse equipment so bad. If I was guessing I would say the guy that did all the damage did not own the lathe or need to pay for damage due to neglect. Sad really because a lathe like this if properly cared for would easily last 3 lifetimes. My dad said "Some folks could break an anvil"
IMHO the scraping of two static surfaces is pointless. Good exercise though.............;-)
LoL Yeah but its the only way I can mate them the way I want. Lots of the things I'm doing to this compound are somewhat pointless but I like doing it. I could have easily just put the compound in the shaper or mill and machined it flat then bolted the plate to the top and it would have been more than fine. I learn lots for little projects like this.
How many teeth are missing from your bandsaw blade....lol.....
sean tap none that I know of.
It was jumping like it was missing a couple. loVE THE VIDS
I am much older than you and kind of impatient and lazy too. lol I would have glass bedded the plate to the cross slide and moved on. I know, I am a hack. lol I sure appreciate your videos and all the time you spend making them.
J Hefflinger LOL, Thanks. I would toss and turn in the bed at night if I did that.. But in reality it would probably work just fine. Thanks for watching J I really appreciate it , my issue is I don't know when to leave well enough alone 🤔.
Maybe it could of been easier to just make a complete new compound from cast iron. But still a great project eager to see how it all comes out.
Randy Richard In The Shop Yeah, maybe so. For me it's more about the ride than the destination. Nice to see you Randy👍
Could those surfaces have been ground first ?