Let's not forgot the unsung heroes of the Oberth class. These brave crews do the work that no one else wants... which is serving on an Oberth class death tra- i mean starship.
@@A407RAC Star Trek Online. You start off as a cadet on board a Miranda class and I believe it's the first mission, the command crew is killed leaving you in charge to fight a borg cube with no other ships.
The Miranda class is the Ford Taurus of Starfleet's rental car fleet. It's the outdated, unloved workhorse that nobody likes but gets you where you need to go.
I've re-watched that ending scene in lower decks so many times. Honestly, I would love to know what Starfleet Command thought of their entire B-team fleet suddenly warping to one location to take part in a life or death battle with an insane prototype bird of prey. 'They did WHAT?'😆😆😆
Problem is: Miranda Class Ships, would only be able to gain an advantage if they were to attack en masse' However, and as per Series Cannon: *Miranda Ships were typically quickly destroyed, ..or severely damaged when taking on Adversaries that would Even Make a 'Far More Powerful Galaxy Class Enterprise Blink.' ..Okay, goodnight. Jolan tru \\//
@@angelbabycards3595 I hear you, I think Starfleet was winding them down and sending them to surplus depots (as seen in unification 1+2) and quickly reactivated for the war, could they have used the same or similar warp cores as the defiant or newer but similar sized ships if they had time to install? Possibly 😁
I see the Miranda class ships as the cheap, easy and quick to build main ships of Star Fleet. Like you said the work horse of the fleet. With a modular design that allows the Mirandas to be fitted out in any way Star Fleet deems necessary. They are the "most bang for the buck" type ships that can do just about anything. Sure the Constitutions, Exceliors, Galaxies and Sovereigns are more powerful, but they serve a much different role and quite a bit more costly to build and maintain, meaning only so many can be built. Mirandas and Californias on the other hand can be built in droves and are like a cross between a Fletcher class destroyer and Cleveland class light cruiser. The U.S. Navy built 175 Fletcher class destroyers during the World War II, because it was a good platform, fast, heavily armed for a destroyer and tough. The Mirandas seem to be more heavily armed than a Federation type destroyer, and are capable of sailing without needing to be in a squadron or with an escort, but deploy these ships in a squadron, and they are force to be reckoned with. The Miranda is one of my top 3 ships of Star Fleet, the Constitution refits being #1 and the Sovereign class being #2. Never been a fan of Galaxy class, it looks horribly unbalanced and ungainly to me. The Californias are silly looking to me, and that's all I have to say about that.
In my head canon. The Miranda class was a replacement for the Walker, Nimitz, Malachowski, and Magee class ships. As those Discovery era starship classes proved to be hopelessly outmatched in combat during the Klingon - Federation war of 2256. The Miranda was a smaller, yet streamlined battle capable cruiser that would punch above it's weight against Klingon and later on, Romulan threats. Basically, the "Defiant" (DS9) of the 23rd century.
What about in that massive mid 25th century war of attrition, where California class ships had _minor refits_ to turn them into front line combat ships? A roll bar with torpedo launchers and a War canoe attached under the Saucer.
A good light cruiser is vital for any navy, as my time playing naval war games has taught me. Capital ships and heavy cruisers may bring the big guns, but they can't be everywhere at once; while small craft don't have the staying power or range for extended patrols. The light cruiser fills the niche of the patrol ship and general support vessal on a budget.
From Wikipedia's definition of a light cruiser; "While lighter and smaller than other contemporary ships they were still true cruisers, retaining the extended radius of action and self-sufficiency to act independently around the world. Through their history they served in a variety of roles, primarily as convoy escorts and destroyer command ships, but also as scouts and fleet support vessels for battle fleets."
the Miranda class is always one of my favorites due to its looks, its function, and how it's like Swiss army knife, also Royal Squadron anyone? in my opinion it is really underrated
Yes they are the Miranda is the type of ship that meets any purpose, boarder patrol send a Miranda, need a research vessel Miranda, need a ship blown up MIRANDA. And the California Class, "the Pakleds are invading," Send a California that will confuse them long enough to screw it up. Because as Gowron once said, "they are Pakled"
To sum up...Starfleet is really only as strong as it's weakest link. Their mightiest of ships that are praised and glorified, wouldn't have their legacy live on without the support of ships like the Miranda and Cali. And honestly, I'd love to have seen more of those support vessels, assuming they even existed, from around the TOS era and the Lost era. Designs that the Miranda and, to an extent, the Oberth probably beat out or outright replaced. We got to see lower deckers from other races, an episode covering another time would be cool.
They had some very brief appearances in Disco S2 and SNW (not sure if the Farragut was the same type of ship as the two which towed the Enterprise, but they both follow the Miranda in design plan). Would like to see them more fleshed out.
the miranda outguns the constitution, the excelsior outguns the miranda and not to mention it way outguns the constitution. the t6 variants of the miranda in sto are top notch
I love me my workhorse ships of Starfleet. The Miranda is my #1 favorite ship, because it's a ship that isn't designed to be the best, but it's "GOOD" at doing the stuff that other ship aren't around to do. It does the stuff that needs to be done, and still packs a punch. You don't get a ship with over 100+ years of service that isn't doing something right when they made it.
The biggest issue I have with the California-class is crew size. Mirandas in the 24th century operated with crews of less than 3 dozen. California-class ships operated with ten times that. If they're meant for specialist missions, they wouldn't need such a huge crew to meet every contingency. The only excuse I can see is if they're meant as out-of-Academy training vessels.
For on job training and providing a place for Starfleet personell who are kinda like active reservists, i could easily see that being a thing. I would be willing to bet that many in Starfleet saw the Dominion war as a wake-up call, and intentionally expanded their numbers with whatever excuse they could find. After all, with replicator technology, shipyards could probably spit out new warships quickly if needed, but training capable crew takes more time, so why not expand the "support role" a bit for peace time, and even those B-team crews would be better when the next wake-up call happens as having to push inexperienced civilians into the role.
There are a few things to consider; -A lot of the crew are the next heroes of Starfleet, a good chunk of them are "lower decks'ers" who are in-training. The Dominion war was costly both in personnel and ships. They had a lot of new in takes and a lot of new designs came out to go with them as newer talent and ideas, plus the pressure caused by the war had played a part in Starfleets direction. This continues on until the Mars event, wherein we see everything grind to a halt in Prodigy. At that point Starfleet had to near-shut down and recover as that was the boiling point in which they had overstretched themselves. It comes too soon after the Dominion War and too soon after the Borg conflict that happened recently. No one was going out at that point and it got to the point all Janeway could do was stend out the USS Prodigy with a bunch of Ensigns to hold the mission of Starfleet until things recovered and remind everyone "why" the mission was even important. When they re-start it then leads to the Armada-style approach of Starfleet as seen in Picard.
As you have seen on Twitter numerous times... We PERSONALLY tow the line for the Cali class ALL DAY LONG! One of our favorite designs! It fits RIGHT where it's needed and does it's job admirably!
The way I see the Miranda class. It was a ship that was efficient, easy to maintain, build and upgrade and was an excellent jack of all trades. I think the main reason it outlasted the Connie was because being an extremely efficient and effective design it was never meant to be a from line vessel. Front line vessels tend to burn bright than get replaced due to the nature of them always pushing the envelope. The Miranda never had this pressure, so it continued to be upgraded when needed!
I think that the California Class is a great addition to Star Trek. For me, it is the first Starship that I've really liked. Some have called it ugly but to me the ship looks sleek, harkening back to Kirk's original Enterprise. With The California Class, and specifically The Cerritos, we finally see the kind of ship that should have always been there, a somewhat modest working horse ship that does the less-glamourous jobs. Per this video, it looks like Starfleet wised up about the advantage of specific-purpose ships. In a way, the California Class reminds me a little of the original IBM PC. IIRC, instead of creating a new computer from scratch, IBM just took existing parts off the shelf and put them together to make their first PC. In other UA-cam videos they've mentioned that parts like the Warp Core might have been originally designed for another ship and then retro fitted into the California Class (explaining why the Warp Core on The Cerritos looks larger than that on the Enterprise-D). Likewise, missions like Second Contact/Follow Ups are important too, and if it had been implemented earlier the events of "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn" might have happened in a different and less dangerous way. Instead, Starfleet picks up Kahn and his people and transports them to another planet to continue their lives (it might have helped if Kirk had left information about Kahn with Starfleet so they could keep an eye on him). One thing I'd like to see them introduce is a Cargo type of Starship, designed to carry massive amounts of cargo and/or passengers, and also function as a mobile Space Station when needed. So often, it looks like there's little room on a Starship for extra personnel (see ST:TNG Episode "Up the Long Ladder"). For those situations, they create a Starship that is large enough to transport and maintain the population of a large city.
The Miranda, Connie, and oberth are my favorite ships. Now if only lore could see the oberth as what she was intended for and like the unarmed US navel scientific aircraft, it was for science research.
Miranda class. if it didn't always have last generation shields and phasers could have been a contender from st ng onwards. as it is the fleet will always need more of them
Like in any large organization, it's the little guys at the bottom who do all the work.. and receive little of the glory. Without them though, there is no organization.
They don't have a deflector is my issue. But then again alien ships don't seem to have them either. Bird of Prey is really Bird of Pray. This is one of many Star Trek science that is not consistent. The basic science is the saucer is round because it is the most efficient method for generating artificial gravity. Other methods are less efficient. There are two warp nacelles because they work like antennas with alternating polar opposites or like poles of an electro magnet, like a magnetohydrodynamic drive. There is a deflector to detect and repel space dust, as we all know a grain of dust traveling at high enough relative speeds can leave some serious pock marks on your vehicle.
Don't forget the Miranda class model was constructed upside-down from it's original design. I would rather have the torpedo pod NOT firing torpedoes directly over the bridge! The California class seems to be a capable enough ship but with a few minor modifications to the engineering section and arch, it could function as a very effective mass transport ship using modular pods mounted between the nacelles.
I was. actually jumping to the comments to call the Miranda the Toyota Corolla, so same basic sentiment, i was just reservong Camry for the excelsior class...similar sticking power and reliability (eventually ) but it's roomier.
Half my impression of the Miranda comes from Star Trek Starfleet command 1 and 2. To me the Miranda was always an extremely well built, more streamlined ship. A light cruiser that could go toe to toe with larger ships of its own era and win. A type which ones extended service record was a testament to just how well designed it had to be. Sure, they were being blown up left and right in the Dominion war, but what do you expect when you had to push aged veterans into service, because you needed to fill the ranks, and the only ones still capable of putting up a fight were those who were likely way over their original intended service time.
Didnt someone recently took the Miranda 3D model and compared to a 3D model of the Constitution and found out the Miranda has actually more volume? (wich would make the Miranda a slighty larger ship in a more compact configuration)
Pretty sure the Miranda was either a light cruiser or a destroyer. In the early years of a service the Miranda was definitely not an explodium special.
Other then the Oberth I thought THAT woulda been the Defiants, Sovereigns, Intrepids an apparently the "exotics" like Prometheus an that weird time SF ship thing we hear quite a bit about every now an then but never ACTUALLY see in it's entirety or in action beyond sending "x" character in that time travel episode to do that one plot thing.
Pretty sure the thought process behind the Cali is "we have these parts what do we do with them?" as its supposed to be based on the old kit-bashing technique they used to use to make Starfleets ships pre-CGi.
They're no more relevant to Starfleet than Destroyers and Cruisers in today's naval services. Jack of all trades that can be used in any Task Force but in the grand scheme of things, there are others that can do what it does but on a grander scale, think carriers and ballistic missile submarines.
Toyota Hilux of space. Need guns strap it back, need sensors no problem . Need to swap parts, no problem mount points everywhere. I always liked stubby ship designs. Quicker to build, repair, upgrade or abandon if needed.
The Miranda's and Cali class's. Starfleet's red shirts of the fleet. I like the design of the Miranda Class. As for the Cali class? Still needs to grow on me. I hate where the put the registry and name on this class. It needs to be in the proper place at the front. Not back.
The amusing thing is that the showrunners did that intentionally to reflect the ship's status - as a support ship it would often spend a lot of time towing other vessels, so they put the name and registry on the rear of the saucer where the vessel being towed could see it :D
@@rbdaviesTB3 Having the name on the back also helps NOT quickly identify a ship when face on. Like with the Enterprise-D or E, with its registration on the front even if you didn't know via sensors that was it, you'd know the name and skip a beat. But why fear the Cerritos? It has no big reputation and theres nothing to fear from cali-classes. Even if it runs, exposing the name, by that point you've likely already sussed the big Sovereign class attacking you is the threat and the Cerritos has no real value.
Comedy often fails to land in Star Trek. Usually because the writers don’t think about the consequences of the joke. Of course, they also don’t think about the consequences of anything else, so maybe it all works out. I do think lower decks has been low key a great show place for ideas that Star Trek needs to work with.
I love how the cali class is star flieet (which is super progressive) and the texas class is angry violent and homicidal. Like current texas's leadership and ruling political party. Then a quadrople plus, the cali class wins the day woot woot
As far as the California class, it is a boring looking ship. It's design is basic and of course I'm assuming that it's made that way for production speed. Take a saucer section from any ship in the mothball fleet, rewire the whole saucer section and put new modern day consoles in it slap a couple Warp Nacells under it and that's it California class
Probably Less take old hulls than take old designs. Nothing cutting edge, everything designed for simplicity and easy of manufacture/ maintanence. The Saucer section is a standard design I guess the federation had shipyards set up to build in bulk and the Nacells are of the most basic pattern that still meets modern regulations/ requirements. So basically a Federation starship rendered down to its most basic form with all the bells and whistles removed.
@@Mythantor yeah I bet at the federation supply depots for ship building. They have saucer sections piled like frisbees would be on top of each other. That's how many they got loads of them cuz they're easy to stack and easy to make easy to store
@@CaptShriverthat’s why the Jupiter-station type space station exists as well! (And as seen in Picard S3, there’s variants with even more saucers stuck together than the one in orbit of Jupiter.)
@@kaitlyn__L oh yeah you got a great point. My question to you though is what happened with Jupiter station in the card season 3. When the board cube, should we call it a hypercube or a mega cube? I don't know anyway, but it was massive. I wonder if the board didn't assimilate Jupiter station or just destroy it because there is no way unless they somehow block their signature and all the satellites with cameras in them that are orbiting Jupiter in the days of the federation I just don't understand how Jeepers station didn't pick that up and I'm sure there's any number of reasons, but you think that they would have wrote something about that into the show. But anyway, season 3 of Picard is the salvation of Star Trek discovery. A joke. Strange new worlds. Still up in the air for me. Singing opera and Star Trek that's just not Star Trek. It's just I get it. It was an anomaly out there but still but anyway and the first two seasons of Picard and absolute disgrace I felt violated by discovery and I felt violated by the first two seasons of Picard. When it comes to what I had to watch I just felt like it was abuse
@@CaptShriver If I recall, the Galaxy class ships each take 7 years to be built and theres always two in production, two about to leave and 14 lined up. They can make them faster, if they have to as well, in which case it would only take a year and a half. The ships long production that it normally has is because theres multiple modules that are built to be empty and a lot of the time, they would spend ages filling them out proper with everything they needed. The Enterprise-D actually never had its filled. The Galaxy was supposed to be generational and last for something like 150 years. It had huge room for refitting and upgrading. The faster production just means "get it out now, forget the ice cream maker, we can live off of jerky!!!". And then the Dominion war happened.... And the Galaxy class was out classed. So... Yeah, all the starships had to be redesigned, and lots of old parts for classes like the Galaxy from ones that they couldn't get in production and a lot of new classes that had totally different parts.
The Miranda looks like a cool ship. The California one looks dumb and wins wars by being so dumb looking, no one wants to kill it because adding that tally to the hull would make it look dumb.
Cali's don't win wars, they aren't front-line ships, but they do support the ships that DO win wars. Their basic tactics when in danger is to turn tail and run. Thats what sadly led to the fate of the Solvang, it did what ships of its class are meant to do and basically got ripped apart for its attempt. It doesn't have to look beautiful, it just has to do the job. Its design is just a "it bash" of some Galaxy class parts and anything else they have lying around. A ship rushed together to fill a gap in a hurry. And thats why it looks the way it does. It has almost no room for improvements and is bare-basic. Its design is already dated and thats why the Texas class was being worked on, which would have replaced the entire 32-ship fleet eventually if it hadn't had "daddy issues".
Well, I genuinely believe Janeway was insane. One day she wants to make a good impression on everyone, the next day she's blasting her way through alien territory just to shave a day off the trip. She probably feels really bad about Tuvix half the time!
Let's not forgot the unsung heroes of the Oberth class. These brave crews do the work that no one else wants... which is serving on an Oberth class death tra- i mean starship.
it definitely is not made with explodium😂
A Miranda class with a cadet crew can take out a Borg cube. Its is obviously the best.
Out of curiosity where is this from? I'm too distracted by the cadet crew of the Valiant xD
@@A407RAC Star Trek Online. You start off as a cadet on board a Miranda class and I believe it's the first mission, the command crew is killed leaving you in charge to fight a borg cube with no other ships.
@@Blasted2Oblivion nah ds9 first episode Miranda take out in minutes
@@Blasted2OblivionActually you start on a Resilient class ship, being the immediate 25th century successor to the Miranda.
Miranda Class has been and always will be my favorite ship class.
The Miranda class is the Ford Taurus of Starfleet's rental car fleet. It's the outdated, unloved workhorse that nobody likes but gets you where you need to go.
and can carry your golf clubs and shotguns. my dad loved that car
@@bear8696 Sounds like your dad golfed at a pretty tough country club. 😁
I used to own a Ford Taurus. Everything about what you just said is correct except for the last half of that last sentence.
trap shooting
The Miranda is one of the best ships in the fleet.
Giver her the Lakota refit and she would tear apart the pathic defiant.
I've re-watched that ending scene in lower decks so many times. Honestly, I would love to know what Starfleet Command thought of their entire B-team fleet suddenly warping to one location to take part in a life or death battle with an insane prototype bird of prey.
'They did WHAT?'😆😆😆
I totally agree, I think the Miranda's are very underrated!
Problem is: Miranda Class Ships, would only be able to gain an advantage if they were to attack en masse' However, and as per Series Cannon: *Miranda Ships were typically quickly destroyed, ..or severely damaged when taking on Adversaries that would Even Make a 'Far More Powerful Galaxy Class Enterprise Blink.' ..Okay, goodnight. Jolan tru \\//
@@angelbabycards3595 I hear you, I think Starfleet was winding them down and sending them to surplus depots (as seen in unification 1+2) and quickly reactivated for the war, could they have used the same or similar warp cores as the defiant or newer but similar sized ships if they had time to install?
Possibly 😁
I see the Miranda class ships as the cheap, easy and quick to build main ships of Star Fleet. Like you said the work horse of the fleet. With a modular design that allows the Mirandas to be fitted out in any way Star Fleet deems necessary. They are the "most bang for the buck" type ships that can do just about anything. Sure the Constitutions, Exceliors, Galaxies and Sovereigns are more powerful, but they serve a much different role and quite a bit more costly to build and maintain, meaning only so many can be built. Mirandas and Californias on the other hand can be built in droves and are like a cross between a Fletcher class destroyer and Cleveland class light cruiser. The U.S. Navy built 175 Fletcher class destroyers during the World War II, because it was a good platform, fast, heavily armed for a destroyer and tough. The Mirandas seem to be more heavily armed than a Federation type destroyer, and are capable of sailing without needing to be in a squadron or with an escort, but deploy these ships in a squadron, and they are force to be reckoned with. The Miranda is one of my top 3 ships of Star Fleet, the Constitution refits being #1 and the Sovereign class being #2. Never been a fan of Galaxy class, it looks horribly unbalanced and ungainly to me.
The Californias are silly looking to me, and that's all I have to say about that.
In my head canon.
The Miranda class was a replacement for the Walker, Nimitz, Malachowski, and Magee class ships.
As those Discovery era starship classes proved to be hopelessly outmatched in combat during the Klingon - Federation war of 2256.
The Miranda was a smaller, yet streamlined battle capable cruiser that would punch above it's weight against Klingon and later on, Romulan threats.
Basically, the "Defiant" (DS9) of the 23rd century.
What about in that massive mid 25th century war of attrition, where California class ships had _minor refits_ to turn them into front line combat ships?
A roll bar with torpedo launchers and a War canoe attached under the Saucer.
I really want to see this. Can someone model this?
A good light cruiser is vital for any navy, as my time playing naval war games has taught me. Capital ships and heavy cruisers may bring the big guns, but they can't be everywhere at once; while small craft don't have the staying power or range for extended patrols. The light cruiser fills the niche of the patrol ship and general support vessal on a budget.
From Wikipedia's definition of a light cruiser;
"While lighter and smaller than other contemporary ships they were still true cruisers, retaining the extended radius of action and self-sufficiency to act independently around the world. Through their history they served in a variety of roles, primarily as convoy escorts and destroyer command ships, but also as scouts and fleet support vessels for battle fleets."
the Miranda class is always one of my favorites due to its looks, its function, and how it's like Swiss army knife, also Royal Squadron anyone? in my opinion it is really underrated
Yes they are the Miranda is the type of ship that meets any purpose, boarder patrol send a Miranda, need a research vessel Miranda, need a ship blown up MIRANDA. And the California Class, "the Pakleds are invading," Send a California that will confuse them long enough to screw it up. Because as Gowron once said, "they are Pakled"
To sum up...Starfleet is really only as strong as it's weakest link. Their mightiest of ships that are praised and glorified, wouldn't have their legacy live on without the support of ships like the Miranda and Cali. And honestly, I'd love to have seen more of those support vessels, assuming they even existed, from around the TOS era and the Lost era. Designs that the Miranda and, to an extent, the Oberth probably beat out or outright replaced. We got to see lower deckers from other races, an episode covering another time would be cool.
They had some very brief appearances in Disco S2 and SNW (not sure if the Farragut was the same type of ship as the two which towed the Enterprise, but they both follow the Miranda in design plan). Would like to see them more fleshed out.
I think the Miranda class is very overlooked. It's honestly not given the credit it deserves
Agree 100%
the miranda outguns the constitution, the excelsior outguns the miranda and not to mention it way outguns the constitution. the t6 variants of the miranda in sto are top notch
I love me my workhorse ships of Starfleet. The Miranda is my #1 favorite ship, because it's a ship that isn't designed to be the best, but it's "GOOD" at doing the stuff that other ship aren't around to do. It does the stuff that needs to be done, and still packs a punch. You don't get a ship with over 100+ years of service that isn't doing something right when they made it.
The biggest issue I have with the California-class is crew size. Mirandas in the 24th century operated with crews of less than 3 dozen. California-class ships operated with ten times that. If they're meant for specialist missions, they wouldn't need such a huge crew to meet every contingency. The only excuse I can see is if they're meant as out-of-Academy training vessels.
For on job training and providing a place for Starfleet personell who are kinda like active reservists, i could easily see that being a thing. I would be willing to bet that many in Starfleet saw the Dominion war as a wake-up call, and intentionally expanded their numbers with whatever excuse they could find. After all, with replicator technology, shipyards could probably spit out new warships quickly if needed, but training capable crew takes more time, so why not expand the "support role" a bit for peace time, and even those B-team crews would be better when the next wake-up call happens as having to push inexperienced civilians into the role.
There are a few things to consider;
-A lot of the crew are the next heroes of Starfleet, a good chunk of them are "lower decks'ers" who are in-training. The Dominion war was costly both in personnel and ships. They had a lot of new in takes and a lot of new designs came out to go with them as newer talent and ideas, plus the pressure caused by the war had played a part in Starfleets direction.
This continues on until the Mars event, wherein we see everything grind to a halt in Prodigy. At that point Starfleet had to near-shut down and recover as that was the boiling point in which they had overstretched themselves. It comes too soon after the Dominion War and too soon after the Borg conflict that happened recently. No one was going out at that point and it got to the point all Janeway could do was stend out the USS Prodigy with a bunch of Ensigns to hold the mission of Starfleet until things recovered and remind everyone "why" the mission was even important.
When they re-start it then leads to the Armada-style approach of Starfleet as seen in Picard.
As you have seen on Twitter numerous times...
We PERSONALLY tow the line for the Cali class ALL DAY LONG!
One of our favorite designs!
It fits RIGHT where it's needed and does it's job admirably!
*toe the line
Tow the line would be done with a tractor beam, which I bet Cali class does more towing of other vessels than the other way around. :)
The way I see the Miranda class. It was a ship that was efficient, easy to maintain, build and upgrade and was an excellent jack of all trades. I think the main reason it outlasted the Connie was because being an extremely efficient and effective design it was never meant to be a from line vessel. Front line vessels tend to burn bright than get replaced due to the nature of them always pushing the envelope. The Miranda never had this pressure, so it continued to be upgraded when needed!
I think that the California Class is a great addition to Star Trek. For me, it is the first Starship that I've really liked. Some have called it ugly but to me the ship looks sleek, harkening back to Kirk's original Enterprise. With The California Class, and specifically The Cerritos, we finally see the kind of ship that should have always been there, a somewhat modest working horse ship that does the less-glamourous jobs. Per this video, it looks like Starfleet wised up about the advantage of specific-purpose ships.
In a way, the California Class reminds me a little of the original IBM PC. IIRC, instead of creating a new computer from scratch, IBM just took existing parts off the shelf and put them together to make their first PC. In other UA-cam videos they've mentioned that parts like the Warp Core might have been originally designed for another ship and then retro fitted into the California Class (explaining why the Warp Core on The Cerritos looks larger than that on the Enterprise-D).
Likewise, missions like Second Contact/Follow Ups are important too, and if it had been implemented earlier the events of "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn" might have happened in a different and less dangerous way. Instead, Starfleet picks up Kahn and his people and transports them to another planet to continue their lives (it might have helped if Kirk had left information about Kahn with Starfleet so they could keep an eye on him).
One thing I'd like to see them introduce is a Cargo type of Starship, designed to carry massive amounts of cargo and/or passengers, and also function as a mobile Space Station when needed. So often, it looks like there's little room on a Starship for extra personnel (see ST:TNG Episode "Up the Long Ladder"). For those situations, they create a Starship that is large enough to transport and maintain the population of a large city.
I may not like the cali class but thanks Lore for giving lower decks a fair shake.
i liked the look of the miranda and nebula
Of course. we are all one big, happy fleet!
The Miranda is my absolute favorite class of ships.
Galaxycels seething over Californiachads
The Miranda, Connie, and oberth are my favorite ships.
Now if only lore could see the oberth as what she was intended for and like the unarmed US navel scientific aircraft, it was for science research.
They even had Miranda Class at the Battle toread take Ds9 even though most of them got Wipe Out.
Miranda class. if it didn't always have last generation shields and phasers could have been a contender from st ng onwards. as it is the fleet will always need more of them
One of your best videos @Lorereloaded
Always loved the Miranda class... couldnt you have mixed up its footage a little, though?
Team Miranda all the way fell in love with this class in wrath of Kahn
The Miranda class has always been my favorite Startrek ship.
My second pick is Starfleets space canoe.
I've loved the Miranda Class since '82 when TWOK came out.
Like in any large organization, it's the little guys at the bottom who do all the work.. and receive little of the glory. Without them though, there is no organization.
I would like the California class more if it was just the one neck to the stardrive section, which then connects to the nacelles like the enterprise
Miranda Class = T-72B3M
California Class = T-80BVM
They are basically workhorse ships doing the nitty gritty which most of us are not assed about!
Mirandas, maybe depending on your source, is *THE* longest serving class in starfleet.
They don't have a deflector is my issue. But then again alien ships don't seem to have them either. Bird of Prey is really Bird of Pray. This is one of many Star Trek science that is not consistent. The basic science is the saucer is round because it is the most efficient method for generating artificial gravity. Other methods are less efficient. There are two warp nacelles because they work like antennas with alternating polar opposites or like poles of an electro magnet, like a magnetohydrodynamic drive. There is a deflector to detect and repel space dust, as we all know a grain of dust traveling at high enough relative speeds can leave some serious pock marks on your vehicle.
If i had to choose a class to be posted to it would be a Galaxy class but I've always had a sweet spot for the Miranda and Excelsior.
i love the miranda class its not as gloried as other classes but without it the federation would be alot different 😊
Don't forget the Miranda class model was constructed upside-down from it's original design. I would rather have the torpedo pod NOT firing torpedoes directly over the bridge! The California class seems to be a capable enough ship but with a few minor modifications to the engineering section and arch, it could function as a very effective mass transport ship using modular pods mounted between the nacelles.
I like Miranda class I play Startrek online ( i suck at it) but I got my TOS Miranda Im happy!
Miranda class the Toyota Camry of Starfleet. California class the Chevy Spark
I was. actually jumping to the comments to call the Miranda the Toyota Corolla, so same basic sentiment, i was just reservong Camry for the excelsior class...similar sticking power and reliability (eventually ) but it's roomier.
The Miranda Class is a great class of ship
Excelsior mafia 😂 with the Miranda wise guys
shiny and chrome
Rather surprised they didn't just do a Federation series yet, with the fleet as background rather than center stage.
Half my impression of the Miranda comes from Star Trek Starfleet command 1 and 2. To me the Miranda was always an extremely well built, more streamlined ship. A light cruiser that could go toe to toe with larger ships of its own era and win. A type which ones extended service record was a testament to just how well designed it had to be.
Sure, they were being blown up left and right in the Dominion war, but what do you expect when you had to push aged veterans into service, because you needed to fill the ranks, and the only ones still capable of putting up a fight were those who were likely way over their original intended service time.
Didnt someone recently took the Miranda 3D model and compared to a 3D model of the Constitution and found out the Miranda has actually more volume? (wich would make the Miranda a slighty larger ship in a more compact configuration)
was the california class made for STLD?
Yup
As a native of California I like this class
Pretty sure the Miranda was either a light cruiser or a destroyer. In the early years of a service the Miranda was definitely not an explodium special.
Other then the Oberth I thought THAT woulda been the Defiants, Sovereigns, Intrepids an apparently the "exotics" like Prometheus an that weird time SF ship thing we hear quite a bit about every now an then but never ACTUALLY see in it's entirety or in action beyond sending "x" character in that time travel episode to do that one plot thing.
the Excelsior class is like the B-52 of star trek
The California class is versatile and ugly. At least the Miranda isn't hideous. 😂
Pretty sure the thought process behind the Cali is "we have these parts what do we do with them?" as its supposed to be based on the old kit-bashing technique they used to use to make Starfleets ships pre-CGi.
My favorite is the Nova Class.
They're no more relevant to Starfleet than Destroyers and Cruisers in today's naval services. Jack of all trades that can be used in any Task Force but in the grand scheme of things, there are others that can do what it does but on a grander scale, think carriers and ballistic missile submarines.
No aircraft carrier would survive without the destroyers, cruisers, subs, and transports that surround and support it.
Missile subs only perform one job. Hide until needed.
what is up with the aspect ratio ?
Toyota Hilux of space. Need guns strap it back, need sensors no problem . Need to swap parts, no problem mount points everywhere. I always liked stubby ship designs. Quicker to build, repair, upgrade or abandon if needed.
The Miranda's and Cali class's. Starfleet's red shirts of the fleet. I like the design of the Miranda Class. As for the Cali class? Still needs to grow on me. I hate where the put the registry and name on this class. It needs to be in the proper place at the front. Not back.
The amusing thing is that the showrunners did that intentionally to reflect the ship's status - as a support ship it would often spend a lot of time towing other vessels, so they put the name and registry on the rear of the saucer where the vessel being towed could see it :D
@@rbdaviesTB3 Having the name on the back also helps NOT quickly identify a ship when face on. Like with the Enterprise-D or E, with its registration on the front even if you didn't know via sensors that was it, you'd know the name and skip a beat. But why fear the Cerritos? It has no big reputation and theres nothing to fear from cali-classes. Even if it runs, exposing the name, by that point you've likely already sussed the big Sovereign class attacking you is the threat and the Cerritos has no real value.
Bwahahah, I agree with the video, butt I can't wait for the flame wars in the comments!!!
Why do you think Jeeps where so popular and loved for after WWII
I rather be on a Gaxly Class.....
Comedy often fails to land in Star Trek. Usually because the writers don’t think about the consequences of the joke. Of course, they also don’t think about the consequences of anything else, so maybe it all works out. I do think lower decks has been low key a great show place for ideas that Star Trek needs to work with.
Miranda class 4 lyfe
I love how the cali class is star flieet (which is super progressive) and the texas class is angry violent and homicidal. Like current texas's leadership and ruling political party. Then a quadrople plus, the cali class wins the day woot woot
The Miranda is better looking
As far as the California class, it is a boring looking ship. It's design is basic and of course I'm assuming that it's made that way for production speed. Take a saucer section from any ship in the mothball fleet, rewire the whole saucer section and put new modern day consoles in it slap a couple Warp Nacells under it and that's it California class
Probably Less take old hulls than take old designs. Nothing cutting edge, everything designed for simplicity and easy of manufacture/ maintanence. The Saucer section is a standard design I guess the federation had shipyards set up to build in bulk and the Nacells are of the most basic pattern that still meets modern regulations/ requirements. So basically a Federation starship rendered down to its most basic form with all the bells and whistles removed.
@@Mythantor yeah I bet at the federation supply depots for ship building. They have saucer sections piled like frisbees would be on top of each other. That's how many they got loads of them cuz they're easy to stack and easy to make easy to store
@@CaptShriverthat’s why the Jupiter-station type space station exists as well! (And as seen in Picard S3, there’s variants with even more saucers stuck together than the one in orbit of Jupiter.)
@@kaitlyn__L oh yeah you got a great point. My question to you though is what happened with Jupiter station in the card season 3. When the board cube, should we call it a hypercube or a mega cube? I don't know anyway, but it was massive. I wonder if the board didn't assimilate Jupiter station or just destroy it because there is no way unless they somehow block their signature and all the satellites with cameras in them that are orbiting Jupiter in the days of the federation I just don't understand how Jeepers station didn't pick that up and I'm sure there's any number of reasons, but you think that they would have wrote something about that into the show. But anyway, season 3 of Picard is the salvation of Star Trek discovery. A joke. Strange new worlds. Still up in the air for me. Singing opera and Star Trek that's just not Star Trek. It's just I get it. It was an anomaly out there but still but anyway and the first two seasons of Picard and absolute disgrace I felt violated by discovery and I felt violated by the first two seasons of Picard. When it comes to what I had to watch I just felt like it was abuse
@@CaptShriver If I recall, the Galaxy class ships each take 7 years to be built and theres always two in production, two about to leave and 14 lined up. They can make them faster, if they have to as well, in which case it would only take a year and a half. The ships long production that it normally has is because theres multiple modules that are built to be empty and a lot of the time, they would spend ages filling them out proper with everything they needed. The Enterprise-D actually never had its filled. The Galaxy was supposed to be generational and last for something like 150 years. It had huge room for refitting and upgrading. The faster production just means "get it out now, forget the ice cream maker, we can live off of jerky!!!".
And then the Dominion war happened.... And the Galaxy class was out classed. So... Yeah, all the starships had to be redesigned, and lots of old parts for classes like the Galaxy from ones that they couldn't get in production and a lot of new classes that had totally different parts.
The Miranda looks like a cool ship.
The California one looks dumb and wins wars by being so dumb looking, no one wants to kill it because adding that tally to the hull would make it look dumb.
Cali's don't win wars, they aren't front-line ships, but they do support the ships that DO win wars.
Their basic tactics when in danger is to turn tail and run. Thats what sadly led to the fate of the Solvang, it did what ships of its class are meant to do and basically got ripped apart for its attempt. It doesn't have to look beautiful, it just has to do the job. Its design is just a "it bash" of some Galaxy class parts and anything else they have lying around. A ship rushed together to fill a gap in a hurry. And thats why it looks the way it does.
It has almost no room for improvements and is bare-basic. Its design is already dated and thats why the Texas class was being worked on, which would have replaced the entire 32-ship fleet eventually if it hadn't had "daddy issues".
STARCRAFT REMASTERED!!! STARCRAFT REMASTERED!!!! This time. ZERG, ZERG, ZERG, ZERG, ZERG!!!!!
STARCRAFT REMASTERED!!! STARCRAFT REMASTERED!!!! After that, PROTOSS, PROTOSS, PROTOSS, PROTOSS!!
PLEASE ALSO DO STARCRAFT 2, The ENTIRE TRILOGY
*Ships, not ship's
Yeager is best. Constellation and Defiant are the most sensible. All these pale in comparison to the valiant Kamikaze Hidekis.
Love the Miranda, still haven't found a liking for the California...
BOOOOOO.... *grabs a tomato to throw.. but loves tomatoes.... keeps Tomato*
The Miranda class ships are great workhorse ships! The California class has an illogical design IMO.
The Miranda has style. The California class was intentionally designed to be kind of a joke...
you being right about tuvix is now a cannon event. janeway straight up murdered him.
Well, I genuinely believe Janeway was insane. One day she wants to make a good impression on everyone, the next day she's blasting her way through alien territory just to shave a day off the trip. She probably feels really bad about Tuvix half the time!
Have I missed an episode that proves me right?
@@LoreReloaded first ep of lower decks, everyone say: she straight up killed him!
@@zealotmaster1 new season?
@@LoreReloaded yup