@@eNDVi nope, although she has supported some E5s, she's still not consistent with E5, in their recent mv (funky glitter xmas) her E5s there weren't supported but only relexed or good placement.
NMIXX almost all on top 30 and Aespa no top 20. amazing to hear well rounded groups vocally edit: I made a typo with Aespa, wrote no instead of on. I'm Brazilian, can speak three languages, it happens. stop being dense. also, in the NMIXX part I originally didn't wrote "almost" because I swore I saw Bae at 30th. now please stop fighting. cut the bullsh*t.
@@CrownPrinceEdvin i dont give a shit about lia. Op was talking about how the nmixx members are in the top 30 which isnt true because bae is placed at 33.
honestly it's kind of sad that so many idols are so low in the tiers. tier a for vocalists is very doable with good instruction and consistent practice. average tier is basically when you have decent foundations. these companies must be hiring absolutely terrible voice teachers. tier a level of technique can take as little as a few months to get to and the average training period for idols is literally several years. it's like they just lock trainees in practice rooms and tell them to magically become better singers edit: guys there's a difference between there's MORE to an idol than being able to sing well and just having no grasp of vocal technique. i'm not asking for idols to turn into beyonce or whitney houston. if they get any vocal training at all it's ridiculous that only a small fraction of them ever get to the point where they even have basic elementary vocal technique. you can even get that good with NO instruction. it's just the basics. that's like learning someone's job involves math among other things and they don't even know how to do multiplication. it's BASIC technique. it's the point at which you have a good grasp of basic vocal technique. it's not advanced. literally anyone can get there (save medical issues that may affect your ability to develop technique). people can literally get there on their own without any voice lessons and just practicing by themselves for fun. i've literally had like two voice lessons and have been practicing on and off for like a few weeks and i've already improved more than some idols in the u and u-w region have in their entire careers. i'm not consistent and i don't have a lot of free time and i'm just doing it as a hobby. i literally even had to take a break for 3 weeks because i had a really bad throat infection. i'm seriously NOT asking for idols to suddenly become vocal gods. i don't even think all of the vocalists in a group need to be in average tier or above. it's just ridiculous to have idols WITH vocalist positions who are literally worse vocalists than random people off the street. these people get YEARS of training. years. it's okay if you don't want to have any standards but don't get mad at those of us who do.
I think k-pop companies are focusing in the wrong things like some focus in stylish but without teaching the idols how to balance that with healthy techniques and a lot of times they focus just in stamina for singing while dancing
Actually they don’t focus as much on looks unless you need plastic surgery, for normal kids make up skin care and diet can elevate their look already. What they really emphasize is dance because there’s actually a lot of really good singers in Korea, but they cannot make the cut just because they are lacking in dancing. There are good singers out there too like 2am even jamie park and yerin used to be a group, but vocal group are not the same as idol group, if you really want to listen to good vocals you just have to look elsewhere.
it's insane to me how yunjin has arguably the best head voice of 4th Gen but her mixed is so underdeveloped and powerless. Especially with the songs she has with lsrfm her placement is very weird? she lacks severe live materials but from the blue flame live at a festival video I saw she seems to struggle even with A4s
@@namjoonbestleader6936 yeah everyone knows it and that's clearly by the ranking. I don't talk about who's better than who. I just talk about what I thought before I know the top 5 of the best vocalist. And I don't talk shit about winter and ningning are better than lyly and haewon, so why you compare them? Here I'm not talking bout comparison. Think smart I think you're an aespa's hatter or toxic nswer, you don't want anyone talking about how good other idols than your bias, or you bothered by reading someone put ningning and winter's name near to your idols. Idk what's your problem but stop it, comparing idols when we don't even talking about comparison is not relatable
I always knew gaeul was better than half her group yet they still refuse to give her real vocal lines 😭 also slay nmixx for having all amazing vocalists
I mean gauel and rei can be better than Yujin as well , if only the Yujin Stans didn't scream all day long to claim yujin's main vocal position others would finally get appreciated and people should see how much Liz hard carrying the group's vocal .
it's such a revelation that jyp can produce above average vocalists like them. i wonder what happened to their other groups, did they have different vocal trainers or just weren't told to prioritize singing as much
@@silverdiangelo8117 jype has different divisions for each of their group. For example Stray Kids are under Dive 2, while Itzy are at Dive 4 and Twice is at dive 3. Nmixx are under a different division, which explains the difference in vocals. Dive 2 and Dive 3 are the divisions that are more focused with a simple vocal line such as one average main vocal (Jihyo, Woojin) and two or more lead vocals weak to average ( Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Seungmin, Jeongin, Han). Dive 4 was created solely for itzy, so this is why their vocals are so below the rest of jype groups, it was a completely different division.
Goeun is pretty much more grounded in her mid range to B4 and her lows are G♯3/A3. Swan is definitely above Giselle, Swan is ain't that inconsistent it's just her tongue placement that makes her sounds "stuck". Pretty much she has better control at the engagement than Giselle.
Jype really went from being made fun of weak vocals to having one of the best vocalist ever 😭 i can’t wait to see how much lily will grow, like i genuinely find her to be the strongest rookie vocalist like no one has been as strong as she is on DEBUT. not a single voice crack, belting like crazy, having such solid technique and her breath control is insane 😭
They were never really that bad tho. They usually get main vocalists who are average or around C tier or around the level of Yunjin/Nayoung/Winter/Haram/Goeun/Suhyeon. It's really only with ITZY and maybe Miss A where JYP didn't do like usual in terms of debuting groups with average main vocalists
None of the main vocalists or lead vocalists in previous JYP groups were bad though. The company also had Jamie and Baek Yerin (two of some of the best solo vocalists) under their company, but people just ignore them.
I always disagree with survival shows like that, like what happened to Jiwon she was very nervous to appear in front of the public and in front of JYP and other judges and it made his singing messy, I mean it's natural for him to be nervous compared to appearing in front of fans who cheer her up
moral of this video: most kpop vocalists are extremely undeveloped and untrained. they rely of unique vocal color, their natural range, and high notes to get through their careers. most of these idols have such good voices to start out with, if only companies invested in them. they would have the technique to back their talent up. 😢
Moral of the video:never listen to non vocal normies like the person above me, because at least if you're not a vocal coach, you're vocally knowledgeable
@@starkschonundelegant9383 and if you can't say anything factual, that's your problem, not mine, also, insulting someone without giving any facts when you're in a fact showdown is already a sign you're taking the L 🤣🤣
That's not dynamics lol, it's just about how good your foundations are, but yeah, Ningning never fail to amaze me with her lows, most female vocalists can go high but that girl has amazing lows, best in 4th gen I'd say
Yves being the highest ranked member of LOONA is definitely not something I expected. Also I really hope Ella/Mirae finds a group she can be successful in bc its a shame her vocals are being wasted like this.
When she was on Produce48, the battle of who would be Main Vocal was between her, Chowon and Yuri, so it makes sense. Would add Yunjin too (and she was actually the best vocalist on the show, at the time), but she got voted out too early to be a candidate, unfortunately.
@@joshdaze9631 not all of them 🤔🤔 maybe kepler itzy yes they're better in dance...but nmixx can sing and dance plus a good stage presence even their rap is good....purple kiss can sing and dance...aespa sing and rap....alsi billlie...those are the best in vocals and they're also good in some of other categories especially nmixx .
To determine the group from the strongest to the weakest we must add the results of the groups. For example Aespa, Karina was in place 20, Giselle in 16, Winter in 6 and Ning Ning in 3, we add 20, 16, 6 and 3 and divide it between the total number of members in this case Aespa has 4, so it is divided times 4 and gives 11.25, the smaller the number is, the higher it will be on the list. The ranking will be: 1. Aespa (11.25) 2. Nmixx (17.43) 3. Classy (38.75) 4. Billlie (48.57) 5. Purple Kiss (49.86) 6. Le sserafim (61.17) 7. Fromis 9 (63.33) 8. Weekly (64.67) 9. Stayc (67.17) 10. Gidle (67.83) 11. Loona (68.58) 12. Lightsum (69.25) 13. Pixy (71.42) 14. Itzy (73.60) 15. Kep1er (74.33) 16. Ive (76.50) 17. Everglow (77.67) Basically the strongest vocal line is Aespa.
This group got 6 really good dancers (Everyone else) 1 average dancer (Mashiro), 2 stiff dancers (Bahiyyih & Chaehyun) and 7 really horrible vocalists, a normal vocalist and 1 really good vocalist 💀💀💀
Chaeyoung vocals are underrated IMO, she is a good sub-vocalist and she did well in Stay This Way considering she did more challenging vocal parts. I knew she was the best subvocalist in Fromis_9
NMIXX completely broke netizen speculation that JYPE only focuses on dance and Stage presence. if you rank for 4th gg, nmixx will be top 3 in all categories
Tbh, jyp has always had decent if not good vocalists. Suzy, Jia, Sunye, Jamie, Baek Yerin. I think the reputation got weaker during 3rd and 4th gen, until nmixx debut. Ngl, all of these idols here actually are those who don't have strong quality of jyp's 'half-air' method. Especially for Jamie and Baek Yerin. They're definitely the best vocalists among jyp vocalists.
I think after twice incident they start to focus more on their vocal training. The improvement vocal skill from itzy to nmixx is hug. But even twice improve alot in their live singing they still ge a lot of hate
Updates on some of the girls on this list: 1- Jinsoul now supports (E/E+) 2- Eunchae & Garam have support (E-/E) 3- Ryujin is now F+ 4- Wonyoung & Yujin are now (F+/E-) 5- Lily is now B 6- Bae is now D 7- Isa is now D- 8- Yujin & Dayeon now support (E-) 9- Seeun is now F+ 10- Yves is C-/D+ 11- Soyeon is F+ 12- Lesseo improved alot,but im not sure if shes F+ now 13- Yeji is now E 14- Yuqi is now D- 15- Kyujin & Sullyoon are now (C-/D+) 16- Karina & Giselle are now (C-/D+)
Eunchae is inconsistent Wonyoung F+ Yujin E+ (Low Weak) Lily B- (Mid-High AA) Bae D- (Low W-A near Mid) Isa E+ Yves C- Yeji E+ (Mid Weak) Yuqi E+ (High Weak) Kyujin D (Mid W-A) and Sullyoon D+ (High W-A) (She used to be C-/Low Average but she regressed) Karina and Giselle between D and D+
It's crazy to me that only hyugseo have a vocal training prior to mtg then debuting in class:y basically 6/7 are still improving boeun jimin and chaewon being the tip 3 vocalist of class:y just proves how talented these girls are not receiving any training yet ranking high also i would like to point out that seonyu is practically only interested in dancing before joining capteen then auditioning in mtg
Good ranking. It’s accurate. I’ve been saying that best vocalist doesn’t mean main vocalist in many groups, but there are people that think that position of the group represent the talent of them. I think in 3rd gen basically all main vocalist are the best in their group (only Dreamcatcher maybe being the exception) but it’s quite common in 4rd gen the best vocalist isn’t the main vocalist.
the effort put into this video is magnificent. thanks for this i found a lot of groups to listen to! they are all talented on their own ways even if they lack vocal skills so please don't bring anyone down
@@ulamme cause yves it’s underrated. She has the best technique in the group, still gets barely any lines (top 5). She is the unique lower average in her group, pretty solid support
Liz has definitely the capabilities but the opportunity isn't given to her. This is why everyone was so mad at the fact the she wasn't given one of the chorus parts for After LIKE.
aespa Best Vocal Group All aespa members in Top 20 3. Ningning (main vocalist) 6. Winter (lead vocalist) 16. Giselle (main rapper) 20. Karina (lead rapper)
Purple Kiss 5/7 supported 117 Yuki (non vocalist but main rapper) check her self-written rap verse on purple kiss discographies 88 Ireh (non vocalist but main dancer) check her boygroup covers on youtube 53 Jieun (underdeveloped E-) 47 Dosie (weak E+) 19 Chaein (Weak to average D+) 18 Swan (Weak to average D+) 7 Goeun (Average C)
DISCLAIMER: This list is not finalized. Changes will, and have, happen as idols progress/regress and as I switch things around in the interchangeable tiers of non vocalist and undeveloped. Things have alr changed and I also plan to add more groups as soon as I learn abt them such as Bvndit, Cherry Bullet, and New Jeans! Edit: Jo Yuri, Youha, Choi Yena, Jeon Somi, Kwon Eunbi, and Lee Chaeyeon have been added to the list Edit 2: New Jeans and Kang Hyewon have been added to the list Edit 3: Tri.Be have been added to the list
Can you explain what the term supported range means exactly? Cause i don’t really understand, i have singing classes myself but I never heard about this before.
@@lillycamp8892 That's why this support theory isn't just the basis for a good vocalist. Well ig it provides a solid ground for vocalists, but some of them definitely don't have that control with their voice. Gaeul is pretty much their weakest vocalist, imo.
@@MinatozakiMiyawaki exactly, like I definitely understand support theory and it does make sense somewhat, if you have good breath support and are using your diaphragm and ab muscles to sing, then everything else should be easier to control, but a lot of these people with “support” barely do anything else other than that
There is 119 idols on the list and up to the 56th they’re all either F or F+… and from those 63 idols only like 4-5 at best are actually good/decent rappers. I know it’s kpop but still kinda crazy to me how you can not have any decent talent in vocals nor rapping and still debut in a musical industry.
SM seems to really value vocal abilities in their idols. From SNSD (Taeyeon) to RV (Wendy) to Aespa (NingNing). I can’t wait to see NingNing grow into a better vocalist, reaching Taeyeon’s rank.
You can’t be good at any of that without support. Nobody on this list has standout potential in agility besides Ning Ning and haewon (who are both ranked high). Kpop in general has almost zero focus on agility so it wouldn’t make sense to have that as a factor in analyzing the idols’ techniques What do you mean by stamina? Do you mean vocal stamina? Stamina will come with well developed chords and support
I used all of those in my ranking. That’s why Miyeon (who has only supports at best to Bb4) is higher than ppl like Jiwoo and Liz (who have supported B4s) bcuz she has better head voice, quality, and dynamics. Ik what I’m talking abt
4th generations vocal trinity is Haewon, Lily, and Ningning. Why? Lily, best in Upper register. Haewon, boldest in mix register. Ningning, best in low register.
I’m so surprise that Rei and Gaul have a higher rank than Wonyoung and Lesseo. They suppose to be a rapper rather than vocalist. I want IVE perform ballad already😘😘
i also love that they're singing more comfortably than those two. however, most of the members' voices doesn't sound like they'd suit ballads, and with starship being overly picky and selective with their releases, i doubt we'll get a proper ballad, although just a chill or soft pop kind of song would be a better fit for them and would probably be more possible
@@silverdiangelo8117 True, although, even though I'm not a dive yet, I listen to Rei's 11: 11 cover everytime I study, her voice is so soothing and unique, she's got my heart
the bare minimum for idols to debut should be d+ or just average. these agencies care more about visuals than actual talent and its sad... i'm happy nmixx and aespa are where they are!!
And to think this is them with their very minimal amount of materials. They all WILL be higher on this with more stuff. Rlly hoping for Bae is mid-high W-A, Jinni+Sully+Kyujin in low Average, and Lily to low AA-P
@@leedosbf I’m not sure if you’ve seen the v live of their karaoke, but it’s basically 2 hours of materials to judge them one! Granted, they’re having fun and messing around, but their vocals are INSANELY good in it. You can find the video on youtube
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lily having an Eb5 on her support range is the craziest thing ever.... she is so talented
I think it's safe to add e5 now?
@@eNDVi yes
@@eNDVi nope, although she has supported some E5s, she's still not consistent with E5, in their recent mv (funky glitter xmas) her E5s there weren't supported but only relexed or good placement.
She has Eb5 in her head voice
@@Forever_2424 I was talking specifically about mixed but that's true too!!
HaeLy just being the best vocalist of 4th gen!
i almost thought "hmm who is haely" "when did she debut" "which group is she in" then found out its haewon and lily 😭
@@joy11311 I just realised when reading this 😭
@@joy11311 I thought Haely was Lily’s real name 💀💀
@@SergeantRyan11 It's so witty. HAHAHAH. But at least you know the HaeLy was Haewon and Lily
@@rafaelm6181 write it as HaeLy , many can misunderstand your comment 📌
lily set a new standard for fourth generation vocalists, honestly.
Basically
17 - Everglow
16 - ITZY (it's ok, they're probably the best dancers among them)
15 - Ive
14 - Stayc
13 - Kepl1er
12 - GIDLE
11 - Pixy
10 - Le Sserafim
9 - Loona
8 - Fromis_9
7 - Weekly
6 - Lightsum
5 - Purple Kiss
4 - Billlie
3 - Class:y
2 - Aespa
1 - Nmixx
JYPE really bring all good vocalists to NMIXX and leaving nothing for ITZY
@@leonardoenrico2152 they leave the best dancers and performers to itzy
@@o5679 yes because itzy is dance based gg
@@sarathchandra8963 yeah exactly like nmixx focus on the vocals
@@o5679 sure ...
NMIXX almost all on top 30 and Aespa no top 20.
amazing to hear well rounded groups vocally
edit: I made a typo with Aespa, wrote no instead of on. I'm Brazilian, can speak three languages, it happens. stop being dense.
also, in the NMIXX part I originally didn't wrote "almost" because I swore I saw Bae at 30th. now please stop fighting. cut the bullsh*t.
bae is placed at 33 tho
@@shinigagamimiwell bae is d and lia is d-
@@CrownPrinceEdvin i dont give a shit about lia. Op was talking about how the nmixx members are in the top 30 which isnt true because bae is placed at 33.
@@shinigagamimi and I’m saying bae is actually d making her in top 30
@@CrownPrinceEdvin if shes placed at 33 she literally cant be in the top 30 those vocal tiers dont mean anything
honestly it's kind of sad that so many idols are so low in the tiers. tier a for vocalists is very doable with good instruction and consistent practice. average tier is basically when you have decent foundations. these companies must be hiring absolutely terrible voice teachers. tier a level of technique can take as little as a few months to get to and the average training period for idols is literally several years. it's like they just lock trainees in practice rooms and tell them to magically become better singers
edit: guys there's a difference between there's MORE to an idol than being able to sing well and just having no grasp of vocal technique. i'm not asking for idols to turn into beyonce or whitney houston. if they get any vocal training at all it's ridiculous that only a small fraction of them ever get to the point where they even have basic elementary vocal technique. you can even get that good with NO instruction. it's just the basics. that's like learning someone's job involves math among other things and they don't even know how to do multiplication. it's BASIC technique. it's the point at which you have a good grasp of basic vocal technique. it's not advanced. literally anyone can get there (save medical issues that may affect your ability to develop technique). people can literally get there on their own without any voice lessons and just practicing by themselves for fun.
i've literally had like two voice lessons and have been practicing on and off for like a few weeks and i've already improved more than some idols in the u and u-w region have in their entire careers. i'm not consistent and i don't have a lot of free time and i'm just doing it as a hobby. i literally even had to take a break for 3 weeks because i had a really bad throat infection. i'm seriously NOT asking for idols to suddenly become vocal gods. i don't even think all of the vocalists in a group need to be in average tier or above. it's just ridiculous to have idols WITH vocalist positions who are literally worse vocalists than random people off the street. these people get YEARS of training. years. it's okay if you don't want to have any standards but don't get mad at those of us who do.
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I think k-pop companies are focusing in the wrong things like some focus in stylish but without teaching the idols how to balance that with healthy techniques and a lot of times they focus just in stamina for singing while dancing
They focus more on visuals thats why.... apparently they have to be marketable
Actually they don’t focus as much on looks unless you need plastic surgery, for normal kids make up skin care and diet can elevate their look already. What they really emphasize is dance because there’s actually a lot of really good singers in Korea, but they cannot make the cut just because they are lacking in dancing. There are good singers out there too like 2am even jamie park and yerin used to be a group, but vocal group are not the same as idol group, if you really want to listen to good vocals you just have to look elsewhere.
it's insane to me how yunjin has arguably the best head voice of 4th Gen but her mixed is so underdeveloped and powerless. Especially with the songs she has with lsrfm her placement is very weird? she lacks severe live materials but from the blue flame live at a festival video I saw she seems to struggle even with A4s
Same with Haseul. Such strong head voices but awful mixes 😭
@@leedosbf im no vocal expert but i think its because of their opera training?? its very different from singing from what i heard
@@my.treat_ Yunjin did not have opera training! She only did musical theater
@@nukomars ah okayy, but musical theatre is kinda close to opera since both utilizes head voice, correct me if im wrong im no expert
Actually, Lily has the best head voice. Shes more consistent and fuller than Yunjin
For MYs (aespa's fandom):
20 Karina (D+) 17:28
16 Giselle (D+) 18:19
6 Winter (C) 20:31
3 Ningning (C+) 21:15
Ning vocals is good but not enough
@@husnaarac6401 dont be mad bro ❤
Well I wish ningning was 1 she should've had like at least a B 🙁
@@karinaa_bluu girl i love her but she's not even deserving of a B yet C+/B- is where i think she is now
@@sekkai_ ningning she c+ isn't c+/b-
I know that winter, ningning, lily and haewon would be in top 5. Their vocals are amazing.
Haely>>>
@@namjoonbestleader6936 lol I don't even talking about comparison, just talking about how amazing they are
@@Artsyjason just telling the truth
@@namjoonbestleader6936 yeah everyone knows it and that's clearly by the ranking. I don't talk about who's better than who. I just talk about what I thought before I know the top 5 of the best vocalist. And I don't talk shit about winter and ningning are better than lyly and haewon, so why you compare them? Here I'm not talking bout comparison. Think smart
I think you're an aespa's hatter or toxic nswer, you don't want anyone talking about how good other idols than your bias, or you bothered by reading someone put ningning and winter's name near to your idols. Idk what's your problem but stop it, comparing idols when we don't even talking about comparison is not relatable
@@namjoonbestleader6936 bruh that would stil be top 5
for nswers:
33 - Bae
28 - Jiwoo
22 - Jinni
21 - Kyujin
15 - Sullyoon
2 - Haewon
1 - Lily
Honestly thanks I wanted to see what their rankings are but I thought it would take to long
What a hero you are! Thank you King
thanks
Putting kyujin below sullyoon invalidates this list. That being said haewon and lily's place is correct
@@ploryz it's called an improvement
I always knew gaeul was better than half her group yet they still refuse to give her real vocal lines 😭 also slay nmixx for having all amazing vocalists
I mean gauel and rei can be better than Yujin as well , if only the Yujin Stans didn't scream all day long to claim yujin's main vocal position others would finally get appreciated and people should see how much Liz hard carrying the group's vocal .
@@Caspian_Xx agreed Liz is such a slay she carries fr
@@Caspian_Xx hating Yujin everywhere what a pathetic circus🎪🤡
Gauel? Loz? Lmao can’t even write properly get a brain
@@Caspian_Xx totally agree, yujin is overhyped as a vocalist, when gaeul and rei have a healthier (it's correct to say that? lol) tecnique
@@pinklamborghini6446 I would say they're more relaxed than Yujin who's gutteral
That duo never loses
After all of the ranking I’ve seen, they’re always the top 2 😂
yeah as they should
I mean, who can go against them in the 4th gen? 🤣
AS THEY SHOULD
Yes for real! ❤
CLASS:y ✨ they’re so good, and knowing that almost all class:y members are self-taught/trained is just insane
yas
yasss, i hope they quickly get recognition from netizens
Accurate and unbi
And the fact that they’re so young!!
@@flo_o996 trueee
Haewon and Lily are setting the standard as they should, they’re my favorite duo!❤❤❤
Lily, Haewon and Jiwon (Fromis_9) are all jype trainees and all of them are in top 10
it's such a revelation that jyp can produce above average vocalists like them. i wonder what happened to their other groups, did they have different vocal trainers or just weren't told to prioritize singing as much
@@silverdiangelo8117 jype has different divisions for each of their group. For example Stray Kids are under Dive 2, while Itzy are at Dive 4 and Twice is at dive 3. Nmixx are under a different division, which explains the difference in vocals. Dive 2 and Dive 3 are the divisions that are more focused with a simple vocal line such as one average main vocal (Jihyo, Woojin) and two or more lead vocals weak to average ( Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Seungmin, Jeongin, Han). Dive 4 was created solely for itzy, so this is why their vocals are so below the rest of jype groups, it was a completely different division.
@@gwgwapstraykids are in Division 1,said it multiple times, thanks to them at award shows and Chan always mentions them in his lives.
It's so nice to see
For fearnot’s:
1:19 #111 Sakura
3:53 #93 Kazuha
9:41 #58 Garam
9:53 #57 Eunchae
13:19 #39 Chaewon
19:48 #9 Yunjin
Only fear bots would be proud of #111😂
@@ploryz stop bringing other groups down, worry about your own faves
@@ploryz yes, I'm proud of her for coming back to the industry stronger than ever, got a problem?
@@ploryzsakura bigger than nmixx put together so now what?
@@ploryz At least their are one of the best performers and their one of the leading 4th gen K-pop groups. Now??
Goeun is pretty much more grounded in her mid range to B4 and her lows are G♯3/A3.
Swan is definitely above Giselle, Swan is ain't that inconsistent it's just her tongue placement that makes her sounds "stuck". Pretty much she has better control at the engagement than Giselle.
For Flovers (Fromis_9's fandom):
103 Jiheon (F) 2:36
98 Saerom (F) 3:13
94 Jisun (F) 3:45
72 Nagyung (F+) 7:18
64 Chaeyoung (F+) 8:41
61 Seoyeon (F+) 9:14
36 Gyuri (E+) 13:55
34 Hayoung (D-) 14:14
8 Jiwon (C) 20:03
THANK YOU FLOVER
For Belllie'ves (Billlie's fandom):
91 Haruna (F) 4:07
78 Tsuki (F+) 6:07
77 Siyoon (F+) 6:17
52 Sheon (E) 10:42
26 Moon Sua (D+) 15:54
11 Suhyeon (C-) 19:16
5 Haram (C) 20:47
Moon Sua, the main rapper who can out-rap 95% of 4th gen is better than so many lead vocalists. The power she holds my god.
For DIVEs (IVE's fandom)
2:00 106. Wonyoung
2:12 105. Leeseo
6:25 76. Rei
6:36 75. Gaeul
8:04 68. Yujin
15:09 29. Liz
Liz is too underrated, IMHO.
@@jjuaassol agreed, even tho her parts are mostly short her voice is like water in those runs
@@jjuaassoly’all really are going to have to stop lying to yourself at some point
Jype really went from being made fun of weak vocals to having one of the best vocalist ever 😭 i can’t wait to see how much lily will grow, like i genuinely find her to be the strongest rookie vocalist like no one has been as strong as she is on DEBUT. not a single voice crack, belting like crazy, having such solid technique and her breath control is insane 😭
They were never really that bad tho. They usually get main vocalists who are average or around C tier or around the level of Yunjin/Nayoung/Winter/Haram/Goeun/Suhyeon. It's really only with ITZY and maybe Miss A where JYP didn't do like usual in terms of debuting groups with average main vocalists
@@cyj7n well miss a and itzy are visual (no shade) and performance based groups so i get it
None of the main vocalists or lead vocalists in previous JYP groups were bad though. The company also had Jamie and Baek Yerin (two of some of the best solo vocalists) under their company, but people just ignore them.
@@fearnotmyinsomniaonce4579 baek yerin is very popular domestically her music is staple in korea
I swear classy nmixx and aespa have all vocalists
Yeah I'm so happy they included Class:y like Chaewon is such a good vocalis with Boeun and Jimin !
Facts 🔥
@@amylinh0309 agreed. Tbh 6/7 members support in classy
@@CrownPrinceEdvin Riwon and Hyeju don't support
@@nswer_co. riwon does
Aren't anyone gonna talk about Classy Maknae line? Cause DAMN, they are so young yet THAT good
and they are pretty much self-trained before debuting too lol
When they are that young they are in puberty, which can give them ever better vocals when they’ve grown up
nmixx really killing the vocal game in 4th gen
Thanks for adding Billlie! They have amazing vocals, I really hope they get more recognition in the future :3
Every group sorted out:
PIXY
119. Rinji
95. Lola
85. Satbyeol
84. Sua
50. Dia
43. Dajeong
24. Ella
EVERGLOW
118. Yiren
104. Onda
80. Aisha
71. E:U
56. Mia
37. Sihyeong
PURPLE KISS
117. Yuki
88. Ireh
53. Park Jieun
47. Dosie
19. Chaein
18. Swan
7. Goeun
ITZY
116. Ryujin
82. Yuna
81. Chaeryeong
54. Yeji
35. Lia
LOONA
115. Vivi
114. Go Won
112. Olivia Hye
102. Yeojin
74. Choerry
73. Hyunjin
63. Jinsoul
48. Haseul
46. Kim Lip
32. Chuu
30. Heejin
14. Yves
Kep1er
113. Hikaru
108. Yeseo
101. Xiaoting
89. Yujin
66. Bahiyyih
65. Mashiro
60. Dayeon
55. Youngeun
12. Chaehyun
LE SSERAFIM
111. Sakura
93. Kazuha
58. Garam
57. Eunchae
39. Chaewon
9. Yunjin
LIGHTSUM
110. Hina
97. Sangah
96. Jian
92. Huiyeon
62. Chowon
49. Yujeong
38. Juhyeon
10. Na young
(G)I-DLE
109. Shuhua
83. Soyeon
79. Soojin
67. Minnie
42. Yuqi
27. Miyeon
STAYC
107. J
87. Seeun
69. Sumin
51. Yoon
45. Isa
44. Sieun
IVE
106. Wonyoung
105. Leeseo
76. Rei
75. Gaeul
68. Yujin
29. Liz
fromis_9
103. Jiheon
98. Saerom
94. Jisun
72. Nagyung
64. Chaeyoung
61. Seoyeon
36. Gyuri
34. Hayoung
8. Jiwon
Weeekly
100. Zoa
99. Jaehee
86. Soojin
59. Jiyoon
40. Jihan
25. Soeun
4. Monday
Billlie
91. Haruna
78. Tsuki
77. Siyoon
52. Sheon
26. Moon Sua
11. Suhyeon
5. Haram
CLASS:Y
90. Hyeju
70. Riwon
41. Seonyu
31. Hyungseo
23. Jimin
17. Boeun
13. Chaewon
NMIXX
33. Bae
28. Jiwoo
22. Jinni
21. Kyujin
15. SULLYOON
2. Haewon
1. Lily
ÆSPA
20. Karina
16. Giselle
6. Winter
3. Ningning
PS: soeun from weeekly is accidentally shown as a class:y member in the video. I don’t think it’s on purpose though, everyone can make mistakes.
Thank you! 😊
Nmixx Aespa Billie and Classy are probably the most vocal talented group among 4th generation
Yujin and minnie really shook me
Same the way Minnie was my first Bias and every told me her vocals were ass hurt me deep down 😭💥🔫
I’m glad to see fromis_9 jiwon in the top 10 because JYP himself said that she was their best trainer vocalist at the time TWICE was being formed…
I always disagree with survival shows like that, like what happened to Jiwon she was very nervous to appear in front of the public and in front of JYP and other judges and it made his singing messy, I mean it's natural for him to be nervous compared to appearing in front of fans who cheer her up
she’s at the same level as jihyo, so she was the best vocalist-with jihyo (and i’m not too sure about minyoung tbh)
@@miam_k Minyoung is really good at composing songs
@@joshdaze9631 I meant her vocal level
moral of this video: most kpop vocalists are extremely undeveloped and untrained. they rely of unique vocal color, their natural range, and high notes to get through their careers. most of these idols have such good voices to start out with, if only companies invested in them. they would have the technique to back their talent up. 😢
Moral of this video: don't listen random people from youtube. Vocal coach....phahahaha.
Moral of the video:never listen to non vocal normies like the person above me, because at least if you're not a vocal coach, you're vocally knowledgeable
@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062Well, if you have shit in your ears, that's not my problem, plebeian.
@@starkschonundelegant9383 and if you can't say anything factual, that's your problem, not mine, also, insulting someone without giving any facts when you're in a fact showdown is already a sign you're taking the L 🤣🤣
billlie having a main rapper rank 26 is insane
well the 12 years training paid off
She’s also the lead vocalist
Exactly. Even Giselle is at 16!!!
Moon Sua, Jiwoo, and Giselle, the main rapper who are also decent vocalist trinity
Moon sua gissele jiwooslay
ningning having being able to produce a supported eb3 is insane to me like talk abt dynamics...
That's not dynamics lol, it's just about how good your foundations are, but yeah, Ningning never fail to amaze me with her lows, most female vocalists can go high but that girl has amazing lows, best in 4th gen I'd say
uhh dynamics is about volume control lol
Yves being the highest ranked member of LOONA is definitely not something I expected.
Also I really hope Ella/Mirae finds a group she can be successful in bc its a shame her vocals are being wasted like this.
Ikr !
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23 - 16:38 WON JIMIN 2007
17 - 18:02 PARK BOEUN 2008
13 - 18:53 YOON CHAEWON 2003
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For Orbits (LOONA's fandom):
115 Vivi (F) 0:43
114 Go Won (F) 0:50
112 Olivia Hye (F) 1:10
102 Yeojin (F) 2:45
74 Choerry (F+) 6:48
73 Hyunjin (F+) 7:09
63 Jinsoul (F+) 8:50
48 Haseul (E+) 11:29
46 Kim Lip (E+) 12:00
32 Chuu (D) 14:40
30 Heejin (D) 14:59
14 Yves (D+) 18:47
Yves is alr Low Average
@@a.vjr1945yves is the best vocalist in loona ot12
Gowon is now C+ btw, there is a new vocal analysis and she has a vocal range of A3 - G5
@@SkyFWWO vocal tiers are made up and she’s not better than yves or heejin
So non vocalists can sing, just not to a vocalist level.
Also glad Garam was still included, even with her 100 seconds of lines ✨
Yeah, it's also still more than a lot of people on this list who have had multiple comebacks or been active for years
still more than vivi lmao
@@my.treat_ really? 💀
Yesss. They can sing. Just not necessarily with the right technique
100 second is impressive, for not even a one year old group, and a non-vocalist.
please do 3rd generation too! This was actually so informative
Garam was such a gem of Le Sserafim.. she really caught my attention because of her vocals
honestly she has such a nice voice
@@harmonyh5225 yeahh her voice is like a cotton candy to my ears
Wow! I'm so proud of everybody in this video especially Lily and Haewon!
Excited for the day Eunchae sings with support in her voice. She's almost there
I always get surprised by how good Goeun vocals are
listen to her event horizon cover, she sounds more good than ever here!
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She's a balanced idol: Good vocals, good dancing, pretty visuals.
When she was on Produce48, the battle of who would be Main Vocal was between her, Chowon and Yuri, so it makes sense.
Would add Yunjin too (and she was actually the best vocalist on the show, at the time), but she got voted out too early to be a candidate, unfortunately.
@@goldyd144 you're forgetting chowon
@@cocoapuff_x Her too!
it’s so sad to see all the girlies that can’t sing 😭😭
They not can't sing but can't sing healthily
@@akio1489 but its still many of them can't
@@amani9724 he means like that they can sing but not like comfortably
@@amani9724 they may not be good at singing but in other aspects they are better than those who can sing
@@joshdaze9631 not all of them 🤔🤔 maybe kepler itzy yes they're better in dance...but nmixx can sing and dance plus a good stage presence even their rap is good....purple kiss can sing and dance...aespa sing and rap....alsi billlie...those are the best in vocals and they're also good in some of other categories especially nmixx .
For Neverland's ((G)-IDLE's fandom):
109 Shuhua (F) 1:31
83 Soyeon (F) 5:17
79 Soojin (F+) 5:58
67 Minnie (F+) 8:17
42 Yuqi (E+) 12:38
27 Miyeon (D) 15:38
To determine the group from the strongest to the weakest we must add the results of the groups. For example Aespa, Karina was in place 20, Giselle in 16, Winter in 6 and Ning Ning in 3, we add 20, 16, 6 and 3 and divide it between the total number of members in this case Aespa has 4, so it is divided times 4 and gives 11.25, the smaller the number is, the higher it will be on the list.
The ranking will be:
1. Aespa (11.25)
2. Nmixx (17.43)
3. Classy (38.75)
4. Billlie (48.57)
5. Purple Kiss (49.86)
6. Le sserafim (61.17)
7. Fromis 9 (63.33)
8. Weekly (64.67)
9. Stayc (67.17)
10. Gidle (67.83)
11. Loona (68.58)
12. Lightsum (69.25)
13. Pixy (71.42)
14. Itzy (73.60)
15. Kep1er (74.33)
16. Ive (76.50)
17. Everglow (77.67)
Basically the strongest vocal line is Aespa.
Aespa's Vocal Line is Karina/Winter/Ningning Only
nmixx's vocal line is Lily/Haewon/Sullyoon.
We know which ones stronger
@@anemojin4384 I think we're talking about the GROUP as a whole.. not JUST the "vocal" line
Aespa on top perioddd
@@anemojin4384 group as a whole not just vocal line
@@anemojin4384 is about the group in general
TOTALLY EXPECTED PURKISS, NMIXX, CLASSY IN THE TOP20 YASSSS
For Kep1ans (Kep1er's fandom):
113 Hikaru (F) 0:58
108 Yeseo (F) 1:41
101 Xiaoting (F) 2:53
89 Yujin (F) 4:24
66 Bahiyyih (F+) 8:27
65 Mashiro (F+) 8:34
60 Dayeon (F+) 9:22
55 Youngeun (E+) 10:14
12 Chaehyun (C-) 19:05
This group got 6 really good dancers (Everyone else) 1 average dancer (Mashiro), 2 stiff dancers (Bahiyyih & Chaehyun) and 7 really horrible vocalists, a normal vocalist and 1 really good vocalist 💀💀💀
@@SkyFWWO pls stop spreading toxicity with a bubbly choerry pfp of all ppl 😭
Watch out for all rounder classy they are so young & self taught most of the member didnt have agency so it's so impressive !
my stayc girls are improving 😭
strainc gurls it's finally going up
@@skzsmenuiscd3721 LMAO true tho
@@skzsmenuiscd3721 frrr
@@skzsmenuiscd3721 THAT'S FOUL 💀😭
@@skzsmenuiscd3721 😭
for flover:
103. Jiheon
98. Saerom
94. Jisun
72. Nagyung
64. Chaeyoung
61. Seoyeon
36. Gyuri
34. Hayoung
8. Jiwon
tysm!!!
Chaeyoung vocals are underrated IMO, she is a good sub-vocalist and she did well in Stay This Way considering she did more challenging vocal parts. I knew she was the best subvocalist in Fromis_9
Please tell me the song name in 20:12
@@btsismyoxyjin2013 it's DM
I'm absolutely NMIXX fans but Billie deserve more respect for their vocal 🤌
For Daileees (Weeekly's fandom):
100 Zoa (F) 3:01
99 Jaehee (F) 3:08
86 Soojin (F) 4:48
59 Jiyoon (F+) 9:30
40 Jihan (E+) 13:08
25 Soeun (D+) 16:09
4 Monday (C+) 21:01
NMIXX completely broke netizen speculation that JYPE only focuses on dance and Stage presence. if you rank for 4th gg, nmixx will be top 3 in all categories
maybe for all Girl Group
@@zarib Kinda feel bad for Itzy tho
Tbh, jyp has always had decent if not good vocalists. Suzy, Jia, Sunye, Jamie, Baek Yerin. I think the reputation got weaker during 3rd and 4th gen, until nmixx debut.
Ngl, all of these idols here actually are those who don't have strong quality of jyp's 'half-air' method. Especially for Jamie and Baek Yerin. They're definitely the best vocalists among jyp vocalists.
I think after twice incident they start to focus more on their vocal training. The improvement vocal skill from itzy to nmixx is hug. But even twice improve alot in their live singing they still ge a lot of hate
Updates on some of the girls on this list:
1- Jinsoul now supports (E/E+)
2- Eunchae & Garam have support (E-/E)
3- Ryujin is now F+
4- Wonyoung & Yujin are now (F+/E-)
5- Lily is now B
6- Bae is now D
7- Isa is now D-
8- Yujin & Dayeon now support (E-)
9- Seeun is now F+
10- Yves is C-/D+
11- Soyeon is F+
12- Lesseo improved alot,but im not sure if shes F+ now
13- Yeji is now E
14- Yuqi is now D-
15- Kyujin & Sullyoon are now (C-/D+)
16- Karina & Giselle are now (C-/D+)
Eunchae is inconsistent
Wonyoung F+ Yujin E+ (Low Weak)
Lily B- (Mid-High AA)
Bae D- (Low W-A near Mid)
Isa E+
Yves C-
Yeji E+ (Mid Weak)
Yuqi E+ (High Weak)
Kyujin D (Mid W-A) and Sullyoon D+ (High W-A) (She used to be C-/Low Average but she regressed)
Karina and Giselle between D and D+
It was surprising that Eunchae was ranked higher than Sakura, Garam and Kazuha, but got the least line distribution in le sserafim
the fact that all aespa members are in top 20 ! ❤️
It's crazy to me that only hyugseo have a vocal training prior to mtg then debuting in class:y basically 6/7 are still improving boeun jimin and chaewon being the tip 3 vocalist of class:y just proves how talented these girls are not receiving any training yet ranking high also i would like to point out that seonyu is practically only interested in dancing before joining capteen then auditioning in mtg
Good ranking. It’s accurate. I’ve been saying that best vocalist doesn’t mean main vocalist in many groups, but there are people that think that position of the group represent the talent of them.
I think in 3rd gen basically all main vocalist are the best in their group (only Dreamcatcher maybe being the exception) but it’s quite common in 4rd gen the best vocalist isn’t the main vocalist.
Who's the best vocalist in dreamcatcher then?Jiu or Yoohyeon? Although i think Yoohyeon is also main vocalist alongside Siyeon
@@Aetumn12 The Dreamcatcher vocal ranking is:
1. Siyeon
2. Yoohyeon
3. SuA (controversial I know)
4. JiU
5. Handong
6. Gahyeon
7. Dam
@@Aetumn12 it's yoohyeon
the effort put into this video is magnificent. thanks for this i found a lot of groups to listen to! they are all talented on their own ways even if they lack vocal skills so please don't bring anyone down
Some of these girls just need more materials to determine their vocals skills especially those who just debuted this year.
For CLIKE:ys (CLASS:y's fandom):
90 Hyeju (F) 4:17
70 Riwon (F+) 7:37
41 Seonyu (E+) 12:48
31 Hyungseo (D) 14:50
23 Jimin (D+) 16:38
17 Boeun (D+) 18:03
13 Chaewon (D+) 18:53
5/7 can support though
Can't argue that most of NMIXX members are on top specially HaeLy. These girls crave to sing live despite their heavy choreo
For Midzy's (Itzy's fandom):
116 Ryujin (F) 0:26
82 Yuna (F+) 5:26
81 Chaeryeong (F+) 5:35
54 Yeji (E-) 10:22
35 Lia (E+) 14:03
I think itzy better this list
CLASS:y definitely deserves more recognization, their vocals are amazing
crazy how ranks from top 10 (7-10) were girls that didn't make the group from survival shows, love seeing them shine with their own groups!!
for orbits:
115 - Vivi
114 - Gowon
112 - Olivia Hye
102 - Yeojin
74 - Choerry
73 - Hyunjin
63 - Jinsoul
48 - Haseul
46 - Kim Lip
32 - Chuu
30 - Heejin
14 - Yves
^^
they put yves above heejin and chuu??? i am so confused
@@ulamme cause yves it’s underrated. She has the best technique in the group, still gets barely any lines (top 5). She is the unique lower average in her group, pretty solid support
heartbrokenn they really should get better vocal trainers in the future
9:47 Isn't Garam a better vocalist than eunchae
Liz has definitely the capabilities but the opportunity isn't given to her. This is why everyone was so mad at the fact the she wasn't given one of the chorus parts for After LIKE.
aespa Best Vocal Group
All aespa members in Top 20
3. Ningning (main vocalist)
6. Winter (lead vocalist)
16. Giselle (main rapper)
20. Karina (lead rapper)
Purple Kiss 5/7 supported
117 Yuki (non vocalist but main rapper) check her self-written rap verse on purple kiss discographies
88 Ireh (non vocalist but main dancer) check her boygroup covers on youtube
53 Jieun (underdeveloped E-)
47 Dosie (weak E+)
19 Chaein (Weak to average D+)
18 Swan (Weak to average D+)
7 Goeun (Average C)
Yujin have less vocal range then eunchae while yujin can sing and support her vocals and eunchae can't lol 😂
This was a year ago..
Cry harder . eunchae can sing
DISCLAIMER: This list is not finalized. Changes will, and have, happen as idols progress/regress and as I switch things around in the interchangeable tiers of non vocalist and undeveloped. Things have alr changed and I also plan to add more groups as soon as I learn abt them such as Bvndit, Cherry Bullet, and New Jeans!
Edit: Jo Yuri, Youha, Choi Yena, Jeon Somi, Kwon Eunbi, and Lee Chaeyeon have been added to the list
Edit 2: New Jeans and Kang Hyewon have been added to the list
Edit 3: Tri.Be have been added to the list
Can you check Rocket Punch, please?
@@twice__drippin_stan4676 they’re actually on the list! I’ve heard that Yunkyung can support
Can you explain what the term supported range means exactly? Cause i don’t really understand, i have singing classes myself but I never heard about this before.
Just a quick question (I dunno if I’ve missed it), was Yuqi from (G)I-DLE on the list?
@@SelenaaGomezAddict she was 42
finally haram getting the recognition she deserves as one of 4th gens best vocalists
For plorys (Purple Kiss's fandom):
117 Yuki (F) 0:19
88 Ireh (F) 4:30
53 Park Jieun (E-) 10:33
47 Dosie (E+) 11:44
19 Chaein (D+) 17:42
18 Swan (D+) 17:51
7 Na Goeun (C) 20:19
LILY VOCAL QUEEN 👑
NO FUCKING WAY IS EUNCHAE BETTER THAN GARAM 😅
gaeul is really high can someone explain why and how she’s a better vocalist than wonyoung , leeseo and REI?!?!😟
She manages to stay more relaxed and has a better approach than all of them. She rarely ever strains (but that could just be her lack of lines).
@@leedosbf that last sentence hurt 🥲
@@leedosbf I severely disagree with you,,, gaeul is just speak singing and there isn’t any artistry happening with her tone
@@lillycamp8892 That's why this support theory isn't just the basis for a good vocalist. Well ig it provides a solid ground for vocalists, but some of them definitely don't have that control with their voice. Gaeul is pretty much their weakest vocalist, imo.
@@MinatozakiMiyawaki exactly, like I definitely understand support theory and it does make sense somewhat, if you have good breath support and are using your diaphragm and ab muscles to sing, then everything else should be easier to control, but a lot of these people with “support” barely do anything else other than that
For Bellie've
1. Haram (5th)
2.Suhyeon (11th)
3.Moon Sua (26th)
4.Sheon (52th)
5.Siyoon (77th)
6.Tsuki (78th)
7.Haruna (91st)
Finally a belllie've 😭😭😭
15:44 had NO idea miyeon sounded like that wtf i need to listen to them again
There is 119 idols on the list and up to the 56th they’re all either F or F+… and from those 63 idols only like 4-5 at best are actually good/decent rappers. I know it’s kpop but still kinda crazy to me how you can not have any decent talent in vocals nor rapping and still debut in a musical industry.
SM seems to really value vocal abilities in their idols. From SNSD (Taeyeon) to RV (Wendy) to Aespa (NingNing). I can’t wait to see NingNing grow into a better vocalist, reaching Taeyeon’s rank.
Not with her light approach
Yeah she needs more bolder or chesty approach
Amazed at the fact that Eunchae is just a place higher than Garam, despite me liking Garam's voice a bit more than Eunchae...
well, we could not even see the potential garam had and she lacks material, same to eunchae
Finally, someone appreciating Giselle's vocals
Everglow's members:-
118)Yiren
104)Onda
80)Aisha
71)E:U
56)Mia
37)Sihyeon
sihyeon deserves the main vocal position
@@kestdrain1446 fr , the company is so biased .
EU being 3rd really surprised me
@@kestdrain1446 yesss
@@kestdrain1446 she isn’t stable live tho as much as Mia who is easily most stable
I didnt expect some classy girls like boeun, jimin and hyungseo to be in top 30 ngl
Purple kiss
0:17 117 Yuki
4:30 88 Ireh
10:33 53 Jieun (former member)
11:48 47 Dosie
17:40 19 Chaein
17:53 18 Swan
20:19 7 Goeun
You could've included agility, stamina, dynamics and not just the support range. Vocal is more than that.
You can’t be good at any of that without support. Nobody on this list has standout potential in agility besides Ning Ning and haewon (who are both ranked high). Kpop in general has almost zero focus on agility so it wouldn’t make sense to have that as a factor in analyzing the idols’ techniques
What do you mean by stamina? Do you mean vocal stamina? Stamina will come with well developed chords and support
I used all of those in my ranking. That’s why Miyeon (who has only supports at best to Bb4) is higher than ppl like Jiwoo and Liz (who have supported B4s) bcuz she has better head voice, quality, and dynamics. Ik what I’m talking abt
haseul being the only e tier vocalist with supported head voice 😍😍😍
Truly one of the head voice Queens of her generation
Iconic fr
4th generations vocal trinity is Haewon, Lily, and Ningning.
Why?
Lily, best in Upper register.
Haewon, boldest in mix register.
Ningning, best in low register.
Not to mention they all have supported hv
@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062ningning does not have a supported hv
@@aamorlu at her best she does, even the vocal community agrees, she just needs more materials
Moonsua being tier 3 rapper and D+ Vocalist
12 years training isn't wasted
Knowing Nmixx is from JYP makes me prouder!
Then u must be proud to know jiwon is from jyp too
@@Anjan_- yep of course!!! Jiwon has such a beautiful vocals!!!! I've been stanning her since sixteen!!! 😭😭😭😭💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
I’m so surprise that Rei and Gaul have a higher rank than Wonyoung and Lesseo. They suppose to be a rapper rather than vocalist. I want IVE perform ballad already😘😘
They are all interchangeable
@@karinasnooodles_ Gaeul being slightly higher than all of them
@@karinasnooodles_ they aren't tho
i also love that they're singing more comfortably than those two. however, most of the members' voices doesn't sound like they'd suit ballads, and with starship being overly picky and selective with their releases, i doubt we'll get a proper ballad, although just a chill or soft pop kind of song would be a better fit for them and would probably be more possible
@@silverdiangelo8117 True, although, even though I'm not a dive yet, I listen to Rei's 11: 11 cover everytime I study, her voice is so soothing and unique, she's got my heart
For Clike:y
13 - Chaewon
17 - Boeun
23 - Jimin
31 - Hyungseo
41 - Seonyou
70 - Riwon
90 - Hyeju
Also secret CLASS:y member
16:17
the bare minimum for idols to debut should be d+ or just average. these agencies care more about visuals than actual talent and its sad... i'm happy nmixx and aespa are where they are!!
19:26 this girl bring me to heaven 🪄🦋
Thank you for including Soojin, Garam, Jinni, Ireh, and Jiyoon 💜
Ireh is still in purple kiss
It’s Jieun who left purple kiss
thank you! i love this because you actually covered a lot of ggs 😭 i hope there will be bg version too
It would be a very limited list cuz I don’t stan many 4th gen groups 😭 but I am actually currently working on it
NMIXX devoured this list❤
And to think this is them with their very minimal amount of materials. They all WILL be higher on this with more stuff. Rlly hoping for Bae is mid-high W-A, Jinni+Sully+Kyujin in low Average, and Lily to low AA-P
@@leedosbf I’m not sure if you’ve seen the v live of their karaoke, but it’s basically 2 hours of materials to judge them one! Granted, they’re having fun and messing around, but their vocals are INSANELY good in it. You can find the video on youtube
@@alenanela1743 yup exactly
This chart needs update
geniunely thank you for this omggg youre amazing
i think xiaoting is underdeveloped, her mid range seems really grounded and her higher 4th octave sounds really good in my opinion
her mix in the G#4-B4 seems really balanced and controlled despite the lack of diaphragmatic engagement
@@nakoiz4851 agreed
i think she should be undeveloped at least, if even hiyyin and mashiro were undeveloped