Star Trek Dominion War : A Dominion inspired Starfleet Coup
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- We continue The Star Trek Dominion War series with ' Star Trek Dominion War : A Dominion Inspired Starfleet coup' . Vice Admiral Leyton wants to complete a coup to keep the federation safe. A lot of people would consider him not wrong.
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Hey Guys, Instead of just glossing over the Destabilization efforts of the Dominion - I felt like I couldn't do it justice unless I broke them down. So instead of an 'overall' like I usually do, we're pinpointing one instance when the Dominion (Albeit mostly indirectly) almost destroyed the Federation from the inside out.
Lore Reloaded I'm really glad that I found and subscribed to your channel. I really enjoy your analysis of Trek history. Peace and long life 🖖
The Patriot Act.
Lore Reloaded Is there any chance you could do a video on fleet numbers? I have just been watching In Purgatory's Shadow - Sisko says Starfleet is 'spread pretty thin' - yet by the next season we here of about 10 fleets massing in the hundreds. Also, connected to that, the Battle of Wolf 359 is shown to be a great loss. I would have thought for an organisation of 150 worlds 39 ships would be relatively insignificant.
Thanks you for your wonderful videos.
Lore Reloaded it's not that the government's can't protect against terrorism, it's that they won't. That's the situation we have today. Gutless politicians are letting it happen. Because they are afraid to do what's necessary to stop it.
Lore Reloaded whatever you're doing it's all great stuff keep going
The best part was when O’brian a changeling walked up to Sisko and explained that there were only four of them on the entire planet. a chill moment
This was one of the most essential episodes of Star Trek. It is telling that this aired before 9/11 happened and how it foretold the rolling back of privacy and freedom in the name of security and safety. While I can appreciate that some fans look at this and are like, "no, we want our Trek nice and happy", I get it. When our rights are under assault, our way of life under attack and our defenders becoming increasingly corrupt, it's probably more relaxing to just pick up the ol' cell phone and stream some Voyager off Netflix then to take a good, hard look at science fiction that strikes a nerve with its correlations to real life.
+Katie Persons Excellent and pertinent comment.
Starfleet coup would have made a fascinating season long arc
I'm convinced the Founders *let* Odo discover they had replaced Leyton. The Vice Admiral was the target of a Dominion psyops project, designed to terrify him - and it worked. They found someone highly placed they could scare enough into taking the Federation into martial law, by any means necessary. (They tried to do something similar to Sisko during those episodes and failed). Had he succeeded they would have been able to control the Federation, either by replacing him directly or, more likely, inserting a Founder as his most trusted aid (the way they did with the Klingons).
That's a pretty interesting theory..and not outside the realm of what they do.
That makes sense to me. Either they win because no one finds the replacement, or they win in a different way because someone found the replacement.
Think about it though. They didn't capture and secure the original Vice Admiral. So how was that impersonation supposed to continue without him finding out about it eventually? At some point his aid is going to say, "Hey remember when we were talking to Odo in the park" and he's going to say, "No I was somewhere else". There's no way that impersonation was intended to go unnoticed.
This makes even more logical sence if you think about the blood test if the sample reverts back to its original form after being taken then how did they get a sample to incriminate Sisko
opt 1 The person giving the test is the changeling as was in the episode where the dominion spy impersonated Bashire while performing the tests
opt 2 The Changeling helped constructe the device so Layton could remove oppositions to his plans. I do not see Layton's group doing it alone because they would have needed a sample to work with and prior to the dominion threat on earth would not have demanded a permanent sample from Odo, so the sample would have to come from a Changeling or Changeling assistance was require to make the device work quickly enough after getting a sample from Odo.
Layton's arc was one of the most true views into the human condition, DS9 was filled with scenes of potential corruption and ego. Granted this was the case in the other series too, but this felt like they put more effort into it
I think that DS9 bumped up Gene's vision against a world that didn't share it.. and came to a realistic reaction. I can see why folks don't like it who prefer more purity in trek.
I've always enjoyed this arc. It was an excellent commentary on how damaging paranoia can be.
+Desmaad rumor is..Berman wanted to do a lot more with it but didn't have the funds
@@LoreReloaded also what slight manipulation can do.
"Those who trade a little freedom for a little security will win neither and lose both."
Kinda wish the coup succeeded as it would've been a perfect arc. Captain Sisko would've been "cast from paradise"' along with his entire family for betraying Admiral Leyton. The restaurant likely would've been seized but not before Joseph and Jake rescued the Gator. Sisko's is reopened on DS9 and most of not all the crew join the Maquis.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
- Benjamin Franklin
The Federation, as well as present day Earth, would do well to remember this.
Foresight on this comment
In a war, you can never actually win if you never attack which means using only defensive tactics will always lose you the war. The moment you know with absolute conviction that a war is placed in your path means you have no choice but to attack simply to maintain the status quo. Restricting personal freedoms is not the best way to limit enemy attacks, eliminating the enemy in their own home turf is.
Before I watch further. Yes, I did notice the psychological effect of the Dominion threat on all the major Alpha Quandrant races. Failed Romulan/Cardassian rougue attack in the Orion Nebula, Klingon attack on Cardassia/breaking the Khitomer accord with Starfleet, Federation near civil war, etc..
It was pretty intense.
Very well executed
You have to wonder what bright spark connected the Earth's planetary defense grid, presumably including stations, to the same power system as everything else! In the age of cheap antimatter power!
Yea, I was confused when looking into that to.. You would think Defense systems would have a back up for the back up's back up..
They don't actually use antimatter for power though. Even on-board starships fusion is the primary power source. (That's why you're always hearing "Warp power to this!" and "Warp power to that!"; warp power was used for the warp engines, and only diverted to other systems under extreme circumstances.) Antimatter is used as the fuel for warp drives because it is so energy-dense, but it isn't naturally occurring (at least not in useful concentrations) - meaning it has to be manufactured rather than mined, and manufacturing antimatter costs more energy than reacting it with normal matter produces, so it is used as a synthetic fuel - a means of concentrating energy for high-demand applications, not a power source.
Your point is still valid: power is still abundant and cheap, and something as important as planetary defenses should at least have two layers of redundancy for power - even if they do choose to have the civilian power grid as their primary source. But for myriad reasons, antimatter would not likely be the power supply of choice for any planet side system.
Kevin McGuire and yet, while I can't remember the episodes names off the top of my head, there are references to Earth and other major Federation planets having at least one modified warp core that is location fixed (whatever that means) that provides enough energies to power the entire planets and then some. There's also multiple beta cannon references as well in the various books.. For whatever that may be worth to you. Personally I LIKE the beta cannon, even prefer it.. But that's just me. ^~^;
Edit: id like to point out that I meant the various "core" novel series of books. Not the tech manuals.. Those are just a bloody mess.
Also the fact that having a planetary anti-mater reactor is not a good idea considering that a reactor breach would unleash anti-mater which would react so violently with regular matter in an uncontrolled environment it would cause a massive explosion potentially killing millions.
As for the Leyton Coup. There is a fanfic series that showed a Federation after the successful Coup, which led to a Civil War. In this reality, the Dominion War never happened. But the Federation was almost destroyed in the process, I think. (I've never read it, only the articles on it.)
3:30 All they had to do was act outside of the security to make everyone paranoid the Changeling was never in SF HQ.
For a society that has generally known security..it wouldn't be hard to scare them.
DS9 was so good. I really liked TNG, enterprise was all right, TOS was a classic,Not a huge voyager fan...and STD is trash, but DS9 was solid gold.
Keep in mind that all of this was written and aired BEFORE 9/11.
awesome video, I loved the dominion war, deep space nine really came into its own with this story
DS9 remains my favorite series.
I had an idea for a what if series, what if an alien race from another franchise was in Star Trek and how they might fit in..?
You have to consider the time when the two-part episode came out. The Oklahoma City bombing happened; the Patriot Act I was enacted; supposed anthrax attacks were happening to high level officials. America wasn't use to this. This is why these were so damn good.
Sure, It was very apt for the time, I get that. I more meant as this video was released - not the original air date.
This discussion reminds me of when the Patriot Act was passed. Only one Senator spoke out against it. Fear is a powerful tool when trying to control the masses. Safety, even if an illusion, is a powerful thing to promise people.
And people wonder why Deep Space Nine is my favorite. You have truly outdone yourself this time well done.
I wished they would've just put the Dominion War on the big screen. A three part movie.
The Layton Coup was most likely orchestrated by the Founders. They felt threatened by the relatively new power from across the Galaxy abruptly and repeatedly intruding into a region they claimed was their territory. Having observed the Odyssey and Defiant, and confirmed how Starfleet officers would resist Dominion entry into the Alpha Quadrant, they committed to infiltration. By letting Odo tell the Federation that his people had succeeded in this infiltration everywhere, officers like Layton panicked into proposing radical security measures at Federation worlds and offworld assets. When these measures were rejected as extreme, Layton saw an opportunity in the terrorist bombing at Earth to create an environment that would welcome his measures. As Sisko argued, Layton was no longer fighting the Dominion threat, he was fighting the Federation. His security measures and martial law couldn't have prevented the bombing, but could have given the Founders a great victory. Instead of upgrading the Fleet based on modifications to Lakota, he ordered acts of sabotage. Instead of increasing starship production, he lied to the people of Earth. Instead of forming a new battle fleet influenced by Defiant and Prometheus, he ordered invasive checks and screening, even armed personnel in public areas. Instead of bolstering the Mars defense perimeter and creating orbital batteries, he ordered a Federation starship to fire on another to conceal his plan to open the wormhole to make it seem Dominion forces had salvaged cloaking technology and begun an invasion. Had a Founder been manipulating Layton as Changeling Martok would with Gowron? It only serves to demonstrate that strengthening the Federation begins by reaffirming the mutual trust between its members and its armed forces. That the Federation remains true to its charter by protecting it's people, their freedoms, and upholding their laws.
>Tholian's finally go to a neutral diplomatic meeting.
>Bomb goes off.
And this is why Tholians prefer to stay away from us chaotic fleshy things.
This is how liberty dies...with thunderous applaud!! ;(
God I love DS9. Had to go back to it after Discovery, doing dark-trek right!
indeed
UBI DRM excellent point.
iona2225... Even tho I liked the next generation deep space nine was just so much better. I could watch that series over and over.
Its difficult for me to say but maybe the Dominion War was one of the best things that ever happened to the Federation. Living in paradise can only last for so long and its only fiction. If you have neighbors such as the Romulans, Cardassions, Klingons Empires, etc are governments who are bent on ruling the galaxy their own way will pretty soon try to destroy your own peaceful living. During the beginnings of Star Trek The Next Generation, they seem to be in la la land and had little effect on spreading the love and peace. Just my thoughts....
Watching this during the coronavirus is creepy.
I just realized that one of the stellaris human flag was actually, the UFP flag(holly sh*t never know that)
Wow you really know what you're talkin about here
i love star trek cue
This was one of my favorite episodes. even the name made sense “Paradise Lost”
I love the lore of Star trek
it's really fun
This was excellent :-)
Great video!
Spot on that we desensitized to terrorist attacks.
Yet, they never used telepaths to find changlings?
those poor poor mirandas
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Great videos....
I always try to impress
Why does everyone of these videos have a moment like 4:02 and 4:10?
Yeah I remember this, the plot was to reflect what was going on in America at the time (1995+). That's where and when we got all these great laws that were all brought together after 9-11 under the DHS.
Some of you remember, BEFORE they could SPY on you with Your Own Phone,(even if it's OFF), when it was still impossible to get your personal info from your Bank or the Companies you do business with (Target, Sony, J.P. Morgan-Chase, etc.)
Lol. or the Veteran's Administration...or the IRS...
Nobody had ever even heard the term "Data Breech", ...and "The Great Recession" wasn't going to happen for another 12 years...
We didn't know how Good we had it...(sigh)...and now...it's all Gone...
Well dam this sounds familiar
I forgot how deep DS9 became. Can you let me know the series and episode numbers that cover these events? I'd love to re-watch.
ST DS9.. season 4 episode 10 "Homefront" s4 e11 "Paradise Lost"
@@chrono-nautsnekclawclan7160 thanks
Can you do a breakdown of the changelings from MLP?
I totally should..
That's actually potentially worth doing. it's kind of fascinating how versatile they are, but how vulnerable they would have to be to discovery. Their entire food supply relies on no one discovering them, on playing the role of good, loving members of families to which they don't actually belong. I can only imagine that the risk of one 'going native' would be enormous.
What was Picard doing during the Dominion War
It's amazing how incompetent the Federation became in the Picard era and the time leading up to the Dominion War storyline! Thank goodness for Section 31 actually had their heads in the game and Ben Sisko lol.
Indeed.
If you pay attention to all the information basically in TNG the federation had just stalemated against the Cardassians. At the battle of Wolf 359 against the Borg the majority of the federation fleet was old antiquated constitution class ships. Then in an episode of TNG a Nebula class starship was able to easily wreck havoc on Cardasia destroying one of their warships with little effort. After the battle of wolf 359 the federation entered a period rearmament in order to meet the Borg threat. That is why the difference in military power. When the Romulans were violating federation borders and arming insurgents during one episode, the federation was only able to pull together a fleet of 20 ships of which several were broken down. Then in DS9 the federation is able to pull together hundreds of ships. This clearly shows the difference in federation military strategy of pre Borg vs post Borg.
Thx goodness for shadowy secret government agency peforming outside of oversight and boundries?
In the case of Star Trek, yes. They did the, um, 'ugly' work that needed to be done to preserve everyone else's 'utopia'.
In real life, of course, things don't work that way.
after 9-11 airport security has gone nuts.
The Dominion used divide and conquer method which almost worked I study history on my free time I think that the North Vietnam did that with our government and the people who live here they tried to get all of the alpha quadrant powers against each other and when they're weaken enough they sweep in and reap the fruits of their labor
Major kira was right about leaving the uss oddysse saucer section back at ds9
When did she say that? Dax did mention offloading non essentials though.
she never said that. she only said that all the non essential crew was unloaded
Long live the Dominion
Section 31 saved the entire Alpha Quadrant. The Hawks in Starfleet, including politicians, did not want to get their hands dirty, but they gave Sloan everything he wanted.
That bomb attack on Antwerp was an inside Job between Leyton and Section 31. :P lol
Seriously though, I view Leyton no better than Gowron who like Gowron was using The Dominion Threat to break the Treaty, he was using this as an excuse to take over Starfleet and the Federation.
This is really good love going back to when Star Trek was good. Discovery got alpt of cjanges to make before i vonsider it true part of Star Trek.
Well maybe they'll turn it around on discovery..nver know..
He was being unreasonable. Literally a couple of seconds and a bit of blood and it's done
Sounds like George Bush’s ‘ Patriot act ‘
How does a Commander, as in rank, command a starship??
I didn't think it was uncommon for a commander to command a space station.. Sisko started the show as a Commander as well.
James Cook of the Royal Navy was a Lieutenant when he undertook his first voyage around the world! Whilst not a Starship, or Star Trek, there is some grounds for it to be possible.
Also, Lt Com Dax was Captain of Defiant for a while in the war. Whilst not her ship (it was always Sisko's), she was the commander/captain of the ship.
I don't see why a Commander would not be a captain to be honest. They might have to start on a smaller, non important ship, but once they've done a few years as Captain at Commander rank, why not? But, with that said, we have seen a few times where Starfleet actually promote straight to Captain rank. James Kirk in alt universe. Janeway from Lt Com to Captain. Riker to Captain from Commander (that was probably justified). I'm sure there are more.
I thought they promoted her to captain before she took command of the Lakota.
+scarface1138 They did, yes. While Benteen was a commander when serving as adjutant to Admiral Leyton, he promoted her to captain prior to her command of the Lakota. As seen in the 2nd part of that two-part episode, when she sends a comm message to Leyton from the Lakota, the audience can clearly see that she has four pips on her collar (interestingly enough, 2 grades higher than her opponent commanding the Defiant in that battle, Lt. Cmdr. Worf).
@@Locutus
Pichard was also promoted from Lt. to Captain of the Stargazer after the rest of the command crew were killed and he pulled off the "Picard Maneuver"
Starfleet in its gratitude gave him the repaired Stargazer. I modern day large Navies like the USN or the RN, a Commander will captain a smaller vessel
like a Destroyer or Attack submarine while someone with the rank of Captain would command a "Captial" ship such as an Aircraft Carrier or a Nuclear
Ballistic Missile Submarine.
Just as there are various classes of Navy warships, there are classes of Starfleet vessels. A Captain would command a Cruiser or a major StarBase and
a Commander would command a Destroyer or a backwater Starbase or a non-Federation space station.
Sounds like what's happening today
Who's more of a threat to the Federation? Is it the Dominion or the Borg.
For my money the borg..
Lore Reloaded okay makes sense. What about species 8473 in Voyager? There were shapeshifters and they could beat the Borg
We have evidence that suggests that 8472 is reasonable and wants peace.. brushing that aside it's a difficult question.. if you are borg..you arent you.. the very limited experience with 8472 suggests they genocide
Lore Reloaded another great answer. That's why I trust your opinion on these matters!!!
So if we wanna talk about "relative rights" when talking about the Federation, why does everyone ignore...The fact that we've only ever seen star fleet, a military organization. And before anyone says "but like they're explorers and stuff, and like, iz not military therefore it has to be the same as the entire federation and shiet." You don't use military rank, in a non military organization. So...Yeah.
There was no United Earth in the 24th century, just the Federation
+BattlestarZenobia the United earth exists in all iterations of star trek.. The federation is a...federation..of planets..which include Vulcan..Andoria...betazed and..the United earth.. As members
Lore Reloaded when you join the Federation you become part of a single state, Earth is just another part of the Federation, that's why the Federation President is in charge and can fortify Earth and any other Federation world
The federation council has representatives from the different planets. You don't call Vulcan 'the federation' just like you don't call earth that. Its a member state known as United earth. If you don't like that.. That's between you and the writers of the Canon :p. Washington DC isn't 'the United states' it's Washington dc.
The Federation is an union of governments, as all federations in history. In interstellar politics they act as a single entity, but for internal affairs they mantain their own government, inside the federation still exist United Earth, Vulcan High Command, Andorian Empire and so on.
@@BattlestarZenobia
The Federation is just that, a Federation of member worlds who maintain joint sovereignty with the central government in the same manner as a US State has joint
sovereignty within its own borders with the US Federal Government. A US Governor or the President of The United States, could both declare a state of emergency
within that Governor's State. In that particular case, the Earth was under what amounted to the threat of Dominion Invasion. That's would be an attack by a hostile
interstellar government, which makes it a Starfleet/Federation matter and not simply an Earth domestic manner. If it were, say an Earth-based threat caused by Earth Based
terrorists, it would be the United Earth government's job to deal with it.
Was it ever explained how they faked Sisko's blood test?
do you think leyton was section 31?
+PrincessTS01 I don't.. And I think that section 31 would have stepped in had he gotten any farther honestly..
Agreed. Because Section 31 is all about strengthening the Federation. A military cue would result in a Federation civil war. Section 31 believed in the ideals of the Federation, but also that there needed to be some people to get their hands dirty in order for the Federation to endure.
Jacob Clark and succeed.
The blood tests DON'T WORK!! Changlings have fooled the blood tests on many occasions! And yet they keep doing the blood tests! WTF?!?!
Honestly?
If they wanted me to take Siskos Father seriously - EVER - than they should have not made the character so idiotic and annoying, yes?
He looked and seemed like he was unreasonable. So why would i ever think something else?
And yes, at a certain point, you need to give up personal rights for the sake of the worldddd. At a point.
Otherwise you're just stupid pacifists building apartments in space, yeah?
Of course that 'Point' should not be reached fast, but it's there somewhere.
In the end, the whole Subject should be differenciated from the Character that is Siskos father - otherwise you're biased by default, am i right?
Then again the hole event more than like lead to feddys putting the go a head seal on aleat one bio weapon, maybe more if Star trek insurrection was hinting at anything, plus the virus did do a good job stoping the founders from pulling these off again.
So towards the end of season 3 how to find out that do female changeling is part of a terrorist group now. I know why Odo never returned home until he was forced to eplisode Broken Link season 4.
Picard would've just told the Changelings to cut it out and everything would have been rainbows and chocolates after that.
I forgot how dark Trek got towards the later years.. I miss the hopeful Trek shows :/
Different audiences alas.. I actually enjoy darker trek. I intend to do some light hearted stuff soon ;)
This was directly triggered by real life, namely the WAR ON TERRRRRRORRR.
it was the only way to keep the leftist prothletising from falling apart, exactly the way it has in STD rash.
Mr Jay White. So wait... are you bashing classic trek for being leftist propaganda? I mean... it was but still, very rude.
classic trek was leftist yes, but its wasnt the sort of full blown borg collective left of modern university campus and sjw bullshit that tng moved to and std self parodies.
Personally, I thought Cisco's father Was being very unreasonable.
"Freedom is not free"
Everyone on Earth acts like a spoiled brat, unwilling to compromise for any reason.
If Gene Roddenberry had been alive when this show was written, he would have made the point that if a terrorist attack did happen on Earth, it would have had no effect at all. Thats because Roddenberry's vision for human behavior in the future, in Star Trek is far more evolved then real human behavior in modern reality. Roddenberry believed that the humans in Star Trek knew that true evil isn't the evil its self. True evil is submitting to anything trying to be evil. When you give up all hope, fall to your knee's and give in to the fear evil is trying to cause, that's when evil wins. So in the end, humans would not have been scared by the Dominion attack, and they all would have just repaired the damage, mourned the dead, and moved on. And the Dominion would have failed completely.
But the writers of DS9 couldn't comprehend Gene Roddenberry's vision, so they wrote a humanity that acted much more like modern humans. That was the problem with this episode, and DS9 in general.
so your saying the problem with DS9 is that was more realistic
Its realistic in modern reality. Star Trek is about the future where humanity has gained a much more evolved mentality. Watch Star Trek The Original Series and The Next Generation and you'll understand what I mean.
My point was fallowing the trend of history and what knowledge we have of Human Psychology what makes you think that such a utopia could exist unless u genetically modified at least the majority of the human race to be more docile and friendly because if we were capable of such a utopia it would already have happened
I know what your point is. What you're not understanding is that Star Trek is a fictional vision of the future where humanity breaks that trend of history and becomes friendly after they almost wipe themselves out during the 3rd world war where nukes were used. Then they finely realize that being benevolent, friendly, and sharing is really the best way to survive.
They turn Earth into a peaceful utopia and begin to explore the universe. Even though humanity was violent in the past, they surpass that primitive stage of their existence and evolve to a higher state. It doesn't mater if you think it can or cant happen. Star Trek is just a story about how it could happen. And there is some real basis in reality for that possibility and that is that violence and hate can only be taught. It isn't programed into us.
Again, if you really want to understand, then watch Star Trek.
i have watched star trek From TOS to DS9 and Enterprise and i agree that hate of a specific group can only be taught fear of others or outsiders is a very primal urge in humanity and i don't think that even after a nuclear war people would get their shit together i mean just look at the rise of antisemitism in Europe and especially Germany a people who have down that road and know what it leads to so aught to know better which is why Ive always believed that while trek is a fun wouldn't be nice if i didn't get much enjoyment out of the utopia of it i prefred DS9 precisley Because it was a more realistic if still a massively hopeful take on things
This is scenario is happening with LGB mandates
#leytonandmaxwelldidnothingwrong
#boom