I figured it out a few years in to my adulthood and experimentation with radio receivers (building them and such) that they were referring to "beat frequency". But, when I was 10, I was just as perplexed as to what is this "beat" switch for as switching it on or off did nothing.
Before the internet you just had to ask around. Any book at the public library which might have helped was already stolen and that was that. Nowadays no one on You Tube even knows what a library is any more.
I think it’s interesting that over the years they didn’t come out with a marketing term that would explain its function better for people who had no idea. Something like “Radio Noise Reduction” akin to Dolby.
@@GaryKeepItSimple And the technically correct term for what Dolby Noise Reduction does is compansion, but they sure as hell didn't market it as a compander to the general public.
Why would they. It's like "2000W PMPO" found on boom boxes in the late '90's, early 2000's. No one actually knew what that meant, either - except maybe for people like me. Another fictitious marketing measurement of perceived output power. It's interesting that they can get 2000 watts from an amplifier that was running on 12V maximum producing under 3 watts.
I have been tinkering with radios and recording since I was a kid and those devices were new, have a full amateur radio license and have a degree in high frequency electronic engineering AND I NEVER KNEW UNTIL TODAY WHERE THAT SWITCH WAS FOR! Thank you for explaining this unusual but very useful feature. 😅
When recording from FM radio it's actually the opposite: The 19kHz pilot tone of the stereo multiplex interferes with the bias frequency or the frequency of the erase head, causing a beat frequency resulting in an audible whine. That's what the MPX filter is for: It's just a notch filter that removes the 19kHz pilot tone and the 38kHz subcarrier.
The 19kHz can also interfere with Dolby noise reduction when recording tapes. I also discovered another use for the MPX filter, some CD's and even LP's were very hard to record, they'd produce distortion on cymbals when recording. Changing the bias and recording levels reduced but would not eliminate the problem. Other cassette decks and even reel to reel would also have the problem. I finally realized frequencies in the cymbal sound were mixing with the tape bias in a nonlinear way and producing an unpleasant sound. I don't know if this was intentional analog copy protection or just an artifact. MPX filter would almost completely solve the problem even though the recording was from CD or LP and not FM stereo.
@@davidg4288 Did this happen mainly with rock music recordings? I guess the reason is because the drum sounds and cymbals are always very compressed on that genre of music making them consistently loud at a relatively high level. That would do it.
@@circattle This was a long time ago, I recall it happening in progressive rock and fusion jazz which was NOT very compressed but did have all the highs they could record. Recording at a lower level did not fix it, it was more frequency than loudness related. I no longer have working tape machines to test with.
I've owned several stereos with a beat cut switch, when the time I was about 9 or 10 I discovered that if I was recording on AM radio and played with the switch, I'd hear that whistling noise, I have a recording of a radio program on a tape and I was playing with the beat cut switch while recording, so you hear lots of whistling noises. I remember Mum had a Sanyo portable stereo with a beat cut switch, and I remember recording on it in around 1991 and the switch was set in the wrong place, so all through that recording, you hear that bloody howling noise. I was only 7, so I didn't understand that I needed to change the switch setting. My own tape recorders were DC Bias, so didn't need a beat cut switch. This video makes me wish UA-cam had been around in the 90s. BTW, I love your collection of radios and tape recorders, I wish I had more like that. I have a Sony CFD-S28L that has, I believe, 5 ISS settings, and I never knew what that did. Mind you I've never used that unit to record AM radio, only FM.
This is the most useful video on UA-cam I have ever watched, I have a GPX AM FM & tape player, I bought way back in the 80s, "still works LOL", it has a Beat switch on the end by the power input cord, never in my life, could I figure out what it did, thanks to you video, I now can get a good night sleep, without the perplexed worry I always felt from that Beat unsolved mystery
For anyone who doesn't know, "beat" in this sense can refer to the observable difference between *any* two frequencies, not just audio (although audio is where the term is encountered most often, which no doubt adds to the confusion with the musical homonym.) But for example, if the turn signals on two cars seem to be flashing in sync, but the signal on car A is just a little bit slower and starts flashing more and more behind that of car B, you're seeing the signals' beat frequency
Pilots of multi engined bombers during ww2 used to synchronise their engines to prevent the loud "pulsing" of the beat frequencies between the engines. Allegedly the Germans didn't bother so much and people could tell the difference between formations of German and allied planes because the German aircraft had a distinctive drone caused by the beats.
100%. If it's of interest: before the days of digital tuning meters this is exactly how pipe-organ tuners used to "lay down" the middle octave of a set of pipes, playing fifths and fourths - each interval between 2 notes should have a specific number of "beats" (different for each two notes) in the same way as you describe. Once you've laid the bearings of that reference octave, you then simply tune the rest to exact octaves of each note with no beat audible.
Irc another example is when you see wheels or propellers in films, slow right down or even reverse as the vehicle is moving. This happens because the "frame speed" or frequency of the camera is interacting with the frequency of rotation of the wheel or propellor. When the frequencies get close to each other, you start to see the beat frequency or difference between them. This is what gives the odd looking effects and can often be seen best in old movies with stage coaches or steam trains with spoked wheels.
@@crabby7668 not true. Germans used tiny propelers on their wings that would create siren-like sounds during high speed dives so they can psychologically dominate over people by frightening them further more. Look it up
MPX is FM stereo. It works with a nearly inaudible 19kHz carrier tone which could beat with the recorder's bias oscillator. The MPX filter removes this high frequency so this doesn't happen.
MPX is short for "multiplex". An FM signal can have up to 6 signals mixed together - L+R, 19kHz pilot, L-R, 57kHz RDS (scrolling text) plus 2 hidden subcarriers at 67kHz & 92kHz. I've never seen an MPX filter button but it would work on the same principle. I have seen MPX line-out sockets on vintage Sonys (mid-70's). This was when FM was new and allowed outboard equipment to decode the stereo or subcarriers.
@@Anon-fv9ee wow, that’s very cool. As fascinating as the Beat Cut issue although I never saw an MPX marking on the many radio recorders I had growing up, unlike Beat Cut which was a constant mystery. I’d love to know what the optional FM subcarriers were used for - audio? Surely not? Do the illuminati have their own commercial free versions of popular radio stations? Military use?
Finally! The answer to one of those technical quandaries that used to drive me crazy, and an answer I had all but forgotten that I wanted to know. LOL! I wish I had been able to solve this about 35 years ago, but better late than never. Although I am unlikely to ever use one of these switches again, this satisfies me greatly. Great demonstration, too. Thank you! 😁
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A long time ago back when I was a kid I didn't know what that button did, so I tried it and smoke came out! It was obviously faulty but for a long time after that I stayed away from ever using that on anything else that had it.
I NEVER knew the difference in the sound quality of certain recorders was DC bias vs. AC bias. Holy crud! This video amped up my knowledge in several areas. Thank you!!
thank you for this weirdly satisfying video coming up with an answer to a question we had 30 years ago... This must be high on the list of "practical reasons why we need time travelling"
Great explanation! While living in the UK, I had a 1980 mono radio-cassette recorder manufactured by PYE. The beat switch was labeled RIF. Later on, here in NJ I received a crappy Soundesign boombox (1988). It had a beat-cut switch.
I dont even own any tapes, records, or even cds anymore but i love watching your channel on subjects like this! Thanks for all the entertaining and educational videos!
Me trying to figure out that beat cut switch: Step 1: Presses the mysterious button Step 2: Listens intently Step 3: Nothing happens Step 4: Starts questioning the meaning of life
WAIT A GODDAMN SECOND, the beat from the keyboard at 2:25 is the very beginning from a German Song from EAV called "Burli"! Whaaaaaaaaat... did they really sample THAT keyboard???
I remember back in 1985 I was 12 years old and had saved up for months & months to buy a boombox costing AU$120 (AU$390 in today's money). It looked a lot like the one you used to show what DC bias sounds like. When I got home I was so disappointed and took it back saying the record function is broken, it sounds all hissy and distorted. So they gave me another unit, different brand, same build. It had exactly the same problem and I took it back again. This time the salesman got annoyed with me: "what are you talking about, it works fine, I can't hear a thing!" I played him the hissy FM recording & he stood there saying he couldn't hear anything. He must have known it was DC bias that was causing it. But anyway I had to keep it. These days I know what the issue was: they were indeed using cheap DC bias circuits in many "cheap" mid-80s boomboxes. Unbelievable that they were charging the equivalent of $400 for such a rubbish product! I was so upset I didn't buy another boombox for 4 years. Everyone's nostalgic for 80s gear now but it was mostly just one massive scam as I remember it. The quality of audio gear you can get for a fraction of the price nowadays is just incredible.
I am your age. I have misophonia, and I have very sensitive ears, but I also have extremely good hearing. I can hear people whispering across a room when I teach classes (I am an RN trainer, and sometimes surprise my students when I hear what they say). The point is, my ears picked up everything when the music coming out of a cassette or record player was good or bad. My parents had both good and bad stereos, and I had a good Walkman growing up. There weren't scams, unless you bought from a less than reputable dealer who gave you a fake product. There were, however, limitations in the technology available back then. We didn't have the dehissers that we have now, the ability to compress like we do now, etc. It was limited in the recording, so the sound coming out was less than ideal, therefore, the sound we heard was less than ideal. Stereo was a newer concept, and the mono songs were being converted. Some hiss was expected, because that was part of the original recording process, and needed to be removed by using the dials on your equipment and dialing the treble and bass, etc. Audiophiles, such as myself, have grown to love the familiar pops and crackles of vinyl. It's the imperfections of recordings that bring them to life. It's nostalgia. If you go back and listen to the original recordings, you will hear those same hissy (and in the case of mono, tinny) imperfections. It is what it is. The music was far superior back then, despite the technological recording limitations. We had creativity on our side. I will take the 80s any day.
Adding my thanks for the explanation as well. As a young audiophile, I too was perplexed by this switch many, many years ago - for some reason I equated "beats" to "bass" and was wondering why anyone would want to cut the bass. I never did try to record from AM though as my recordings were primarily audio off FM.
This video was so nice to watch, I love both cassettes and AM/FM Radio, I used to record music from the air broadcasts of my city on my tapes back when I was a kid, and oh boy, I miss those days with my little and cheap Lennox all-in-one.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s. I think I owned (or more likely my parents owned) at least two of the exact stereos shown in this video. I used to record music from the radio all the time. I had no idea what that "beat"/"iss" button did. It only took like 40 years but now I finally understand it!
Excellent video….I shared the video with a fellow dj to explain why the “acapella” button and the “instrumental” button on the mixer are simply the old school beat kill and oscillators/filters. So instead of radio interference….it’s frequency interference from the program material. Great video to help explain that.
You answered a great many questions, and I’m a technically minded guy and recording engineer! However none knew this stuff back in the day! Lol BTW The ‘bias’ is a 60khz signal thats sent to the erase head, its outside the tape’s freq range and so it wipes the tape by making the magnetic particles seemingly of random polarity. DC bias sets the particles to just N or S magnetically, while this wipes any recorded signal it delimits recording i.e. If the tape is biased N and your waveform swings S then the waveform recorded has to overcome a huge N bias and thus is reduced in value - exactly like listening to a push-pull valve amp with one dead valve.
Finally I get an answer to a question I never thought about but I hope that one day that knowledge will come in useful. Thanks for the informative and well put together video!
Where were you in 1968 to 1973, when I made all my AM radio recordings? Well, back then, there were all kinds of problems, but that beat interference did plague a lot of my recordings, but I don't think my recorders had any kind of "beat cut" feature. The biggest problem I found back then was if I was in my room trying to record from 93 KHJ in Los Angeles, and someone had the big (25 inches!) color TV on in the living room, that would really mess up my recordings. It took me a while to figure out it was the TV! So, another piece of advice for recording AM radio is to make sure no one is watching a late 1960s tube color TV nearby! And also make sure you don't pick a DJ who really likes to talk over music. (I'm looking at you, ghost of The Real Don Steele!)
I remember I found what that switch is for, when I read the manual for my favorite soviet boombox - the VEF 260. That thing is an excellent AM receiver, with the regular medium wave band split in two for better selectivity, so the engineers who designed it put some care in explaining what the bias switch does. The switch has three positions, but what was NOT explained was that it would shift the bias frequency enough to allow recording on chrome tapes.
I think it was somewhere around the year 2006 when AM radio was switched off for over here in Holland. I live approximately 15 kilometers from where a big transmission site was, one megaWatt of power and all over the band there were hums and hisses, clicks and tones, everything else was completely unlistenable caused by the disturbance. Recently I bought again an AM radio and to my surprise the disturbance was gone and so where all AM radio stations, I knew that the biggest part of them were closing down, but I never bothered to try. Now there is some talk radio in foreign languages and so now and then a far away station with unrecognisable local pop music. It sounds like going on a holiday, then I always listen to whatever station that is on the air. Recipes and politics in French and people worrying about nothing important. Goodbye AM, it was nice 40 years ago, but not any more.
I'm also from The Netherlands, the last high power AM transmitter here was switched off in 2019: 1008 kHz from the Flevoland transmitter. Originally 400 kW daytime power, only 100 kW or so in the later years. Shortly after the final closedown, the transmitter was demolished. It was a nice piece of engineering, an anti fading antenna transmitting on both 747 and 1008 kHz, 400 kW each. 747 went off air in 2015. Nowadays, several low power AM stations are legally on air all over the country on numerous frequencies, power levels between 1 W and 100 W. Maybe one of them is nearby, maybe you're able to receive several after dark. I like that :) Apart from that, I tune in to Radio Caroline on 648 kHz broadcasting from Orfordness, UK from time to time. One of the few music stations transmitting on AM/medium wave.
@@JesperD87 Yes, it was a year in the two thousand range, the programmes were aimed at elderly women ("de Muzikale Fruitmand" and that programme with Willy Walden and Ase Rasmussen, "Raad een Lied of Niet").
I'm from Bosnia. I sometimes catch a Romanian AM station but they seem to be exclusively a talk show station. Other times, when I'm out in the field, I catch a (I think) military station all the way from Russia at night.
Nice clear explanation. I did always wonder about it back in the 80s but I never recorded AM. Still, it’s nice to get an explanation decades later. Thanks!
10:37 I recognize where that ad was from! I wish I'd kept those old DAK catalogues. Also, thanks for explaining what the Beat Switch was for, I never knew.
Not to be confused with an MPX filter, which rolls off the frequency response around 19 kHz to prevent the FM stereo multiplex signal from interfering with the bias of cassette recorders that can record above 19 kHz. Unfortunately, some high-end cassette decks did not have the option of turning this filter off so you could never record above 19 kHz, even if the deck was capable of it. (Although today I would be absolutely thrilled if I could hear anything above 13K.)
Let me see if I understand it: the FM stereo signal is amplitude-modulated onto a 38kHz subcarrier. This subcarrier is then suppressed from the transmitted signal, and substituted with a “pilot tone” at 19.5kHz, exactly half the subcarrier frequency. This can be picked up by the stereo decoder and used to regenerate the phase-accurate subcarrier so the AM stereo signal can be correctly decoded, and then applied to the mono baseband signal to regenerate the separate left and right audio channels. Not sure why this carrier-suppression scheme was used; something about reducing the overall bandwidth requirements of the signal?
"...I know this topic may be of diminishing relevance..." It certainly isn't. This is an excellent representation of the phase shift in frequencies that college physics students learn about that you can hear. When you are doing the calculations, it's hard to visualize what they mean. This is a great tutorial.
i love how your videos are like, this wonderful trip to the fever dreams of trying to figure out ham radios growing up in mercer county with the random ass stations you test with
Thank you very much this video! For many years I've seen these switches again and again...but never could figure out any difference when turning them to a different position (because I never recorded AM radio).
I truly learned something today. And just because you have spoken about them the under appreciated cheap end stereo systems of the 80s might get the respect they deserve. There were some great systems produced round then, like the Aria FX series, even the cheapest FX 20 came with a neat linear tracking turntable. No kidding.
And you even explained what sort of disadvantage might come from just leaving beat cut on all the time, hence the ability to turn it off. So thanks, nice video!
Many ham radios and high-end shortwave radios have a "beat shift" or "clock shift" as well. The interference is from the local oscillators and CPU clocks. With CPUs, IFs, and internal buses now in the tens to hundreds of MHz, it can affect VHF/FM radio, and similarly, the feature changes oscillator frequency slightly to place the "birdies" off the frequency you're listening to. Most modern radios have firmware that automatically activates this when you punch in a problematic frequency, so you'd never know it's being used.
Seen this on various products growing up and never knew what it was for! My father said 'its mainly for LW and we dont really listen to those frequencies' so thank you for that! Very informative!!
Seriously, thank you for posting this. I've heard tons of recordings from AM radio and never understood where the whining came from. I always assumed it was something environmental, something nearby. I didn't know it was something internal to the recorder on these.
Holy Crow; that was a good explanation! Just based on the term "Beat Cut", I would have thought that it had something to do with adding blank sound, before the start of a recording, which wasn't even close.
An excellent video. Despite being big into recording I never knew this, but then pretty much all my radio recordings were from FM and like many others I obviously didn't read manuals as fully as I could have. Thinking about it, I feel the switch should really be called AM Whine Cut.
@Vaquero357 But that is superheterodyne beating caused by two stations in close proximity, rather than that caused by the tape bias oscillator. I think the marketing departments of these products wouldn't want to claim they are solving that problem which is actually most of the whistling sounds on AM.
Thanks, VWestlife, for your in-depth video about the beat cut switch. I recall seeing that switch on some of my previous boomboxes from the mid-1980's to the 90's (Prosonic, Samsung, Fisher, etc.) and never understood what it was for. Now I know and knowing is half the battle. G.I. Joe! All the best. :)
In the 90's, I inherited my dad's 1982 F100 pickup that only had an AM radio in it (the kind with the 5 preset buttons that go KER-CHUNK when you press them.) The only station I could stand listening to that wasn't Hits of the 50's or hardline conservative talk radio was Radio Disney. But that station always had a high-pitched squeal that directly lined up with how hard I was pressing the gas pedal. So as I was accelerating, the sound would drown out whatever S Club 7 sounding stuff I was trying to rock out to. Now I think I understand what was happening.
I didn't know that at all! I have never recorded anything from an AM radio. I think the switch shifts the BIAS frequency so as not to interfere with AM reception.
This was a genuinely good and informative video, even if AM is pretty much dead where I normally live. I just recently even came across beat cut switches and at some point even mistakenly assumed they were for signal rewiring to cancel the centre portion of a stereo song (i.e., cut out vocals on cheap Karaoke systems). D'oh!
I had always wondered what that was. I had played around with it thinking beat cut literally meant it cut the drum beat out of a song. Of course it didn't. Thanks for sharing this!
Thank you so much for addressing this! It’s an unsolved mystery from a crappy boom box I had as a child. The completely unnecessary, meaningless “beat cancel” switch. It was only to fill space.
I've had a few stereos that had this beat cut switch but I could never figure out what it did. I now know thanks to your video. Back in the 80s my parents had a JCPenney stereo system which was a receiver, a tape deck, and turntable up top. I remember it having those function symbols in blue on your stereo seen in the beginning of the video but clear because they lit up on a gray background when a function is selected.
I learned now that "beat" or "beat frequency" is what is called in German "Schwebung" - the amplitude changing signal resulting in two frequencies next to each other. The amplitude changing frequency is then approximately the difference of the two involved frequencies (in first order). Was an effect very used by musicians on their analog synthesizers ;-)
A switch that doesn't have "on" and "off" positions, but a choice of 2-3 seemingly identical options for a technical detail that the user is not supposed to know about - that *is* hard to label correctly for any UI designer. I knew that switch and roughly what situation it was for, but not what the source of the problem was. Thanks!
I never had such a switch on any of my sets. Parenthetically, there's also nothing I would ever record off the A.M. side. But the explanation answers a lot of questions. A lot more confusing is how Pause key works on VHS. You have to fathom the time shift to get clean edits.
I always assumed the whistle was caused by interference introduced by the tape deck's motor and chalked it up to poor quality components; never did I know that THIS was the reason behind it. For years this has been one of those curiosities I've never been invested enough in to get to the bottom of, but always wondered about--not anymore thanks to this video!
Always wondered why it was sometimes called an oscillator switch. I’d assumed it introduced a 180° out of phase signal into the tape recording to filter out something from the radio, didn’t realise it was the tape deck’s own bias frequency. Slightly altering the frequency so it’s no longer harmonic makes much more sense than a phase inversion too, especially since you need the switch in one position for some frequencies, another for others, and makes no difference in yet others. Nice demonstration. Also makes your recent poll contextualised ;) I always saw MW called AM or AM/MW here because I’m a child of the 90s, but had figured it was “medium” by means of exclusion from being included alongside SW and LW even though it wasn’t labelled MW on my dad’s fancy receiver.
The "beat" is basically beating two signals together. It's the "B" in BFO, the Beat Frequency Oscillator, which mixes a second signal with a received single sideband (SSB) one to allow it to be heard normally.
Fascinating video, I didn't know what it was for either! What I do know is that after seeing this many folks will be flocking to MW, popping in a tape, pressing record and seeing if their old machine rocks a 'beat cut' facility... Let the good times and the cassette decks roll!))
Wow, never knew that, also think there could be a reason to do a video on bias too, maybe comparing different methods and frequencies, could also record in Audacity and pitch shift so we can hear different AC bias signals, cool!
I have always wondered what the purpose of those switches were on radios from decades ago. I never did record anything from AM onto cassette tapes so I never figured this out. Excellent explanation and demonstrations too!
Great explanation, thanks! I have not recorded off AM in 40+ years but good to know exactly what that little beat cut button did, not to mention its the same as OSC, ISS, etc. 😊
We didn't have much AM here in the Netherlands after WW2 , just FM because it had much better sound quality. any advantage of AM (larger distances, I assume?) was not needed in our small country only some pirate radio stations used AM (and some official news channels, but those were also on FM )
I remember those switches. I think there was even one one, or the markings for one, on a boombox that had a flip-out erase magnet and wouldn't have needed such a switch. The other mysterious switch I remember from that era was the "stereo wide" switch, which emphasized the sounds that were different from left to right, making the stereo effect more pronounced, despite the close spacing between the speakers. It was a cool feature, but if the speakers had been angled out on more boomboxes, there would have been less of a need for it.
Great job explaining that. I myself have always wondered what that was all about. Very cool you had some real life samples and could duplicate the issue. Thanks for the new wrinkle in my brain!
Very well explained. I would imagine that the 'correct' setting moves the beat frequency above the audible range. I suppose it would even have been possible to automate this - with a modern radio tuner having a digital display, there's enough information available to pick a bias frequency that won't beat in the audible range without requiring user input, not that this would have ever been cost-effective in the sort of devices that actually needed it.
Obviously they couldn't use "Beat Off" as the nomenclature for that switch.
😂 nice!
It's like on a fishing boat. They never call the person in charged of the bait the "Master Baiter"
They should have called it "Whistle Out"
"Sometimes you just gotta 'choke the chicken' when recording AM radio" ~ every AM radio recording enthusiast ever.
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Dude. You took the time to demonstrate for the world a puzzling mystery for me and my generation of radio geeks. Thank you!
Agreed. I would’ve paid to know what the beat cancel button meant on my boom box on 1980!
Lol, would have been helpful three decades ago! 😂
I figured it out a few years in to my adulthood and experimentation with radio receivers (building them and such) that they were referring to "beat frequency". But, when I was 10, I was just as perplexed as to what is this "beat" switch for as switching it on or off did nothing.
Before the internet you just had to ask around. Any book at the public library which might have helped was already stolen and that was that. Nowadays no one on You Tube even knows what a library is any more.
Exactly!
I think it’s interesting that over the years they didn’t come out with a marketing term that would explain its function better for people who had no idea. Something like “Radio Noise Reduction” akin to Dolby.
Sony got close: ISS "interference suppression switch"
@@rijjhb9467 The term Beat is technically correct it is a beat frequency.
@@GaryKeepItSimple And the technically correct term for what Dolby Noise Reduction does is compansion, but they sure as hell didn't market it as a compander to the general public.
The all new (beat) function allows you to cut the whining noise when recording AM stations lol
Marketing timing 50 years too late lol
Why would they. It's like "2000W PMPO" found on boom boxes in the late '90's, early 2000's. No one actually knew what that meant, either - except maybe for people like me. Another fictitious marketing measurement of perceived output power. It's interesting that they can get 2000 watts from an amplifier that was running on 12V maximum producing under 3 watts.
I have been tinkering with radios and recording since I was a kid and those devices were new, have a full amateur radio license and have a degree in high frequency electronic engineering AND I NEVER KNEW UNTIL TODAY WHERE THAT SWITCH WAS FOR! Thank you for explaining this unusual but very useful feature. 😅
Having parts of your narration play from cassettes was a really cool touch in this!
When recording from FM radio it's actually the opposite: The 19kHz pilot tone of the stereo multiplex interferes with the bias frequency or the frequency of the erase head, causing a beat frequency resulting in an audible whine. That's what the MPX filter is for: It's just a notch filter that removes the 19kHz pilot tone and the 38kHz subcarrier.
The 19kHz can also interfere with Dolby noise reduction when recording tapes.
I also discovered another use for the MPX filter, some CD's and even LP's were very hard to record, they'd produce distortion on cymbals when recording. Changing the bias and recording levels reduced but would not eliminate the problem. Other cassette decks and even reel to reel would also have the problem. I finally realized frequencies in the cymbal sound were mixing with the tape bias in a nonlinear way and producing an unpleasant sound. I don't know if this was intentional analog copy protection or just an artifact. MPX filter would almost completely solve the problem even though the recording was from CD or LP and not FM stereo.
@@davidg4288 Did this happen mainly with rock music recordings? I guess the reason is because the drum sounds and cymbals are always very compressed on that genre of music making them consistently loud at a relatively high level. That would do it.
@@circattle This was a long time ago, I recall it happening in progressive rock and fusion jazz which was NOT very compressed but did have all the highs they could record. Recording at a lower level did not fix it, it was more frequency than loudness related. I no longer have working tape machines to test with.
BNMRR .. Beat Noise Mitigation for Radio Recording!😉
I've owned several stereos with a beat cut switch, when the time I was about 9 or 10 I discovered that if I was recording on AM radio and played with the switch, I'd hear that whistling noise, I have a recording of a radio program on a tape and I was playing with the beat cut switch while recording, so you hear lots of whistling noises. I remember Mum had a Sanyo portable stereo with a beat cut switch, and I remember recording on it in around 1991 and the switch was set in the wrong place, so all through that recording, you hear that bloody howling noise. I was only 7, so I didn't understand that I needed to change the switch setting. My own tape recorders were DC Bias, so didn't need a beat cut switch. This video makes me wish UA-cam had been around in the 90s. BTW, I love your collection of radios and tape recorders, I wish I had more like that. I have a Sony CFD-S28L that has, I believe, 5 ISS settings, and I never knew what that did. Mind you I've never used that unit to record AM radio, only FM.
I have been a electronics hobbyist over 50 YEARS and I Learn something, thanks! 👍
This is the most useful video on UA-cam I have ever watched, I have a GPX AM FM & tape player, I bought way back in the 80s, "still works LOL", it has a Beat switch on the end by the power input cord, never in my life, could I figure out what it did, thanks to you video, I now can get a good night sleep, without the perplexed worry I always felt from that Beat unsolved mystery
For anyone who doesn't know, "beat" in this sense can refer to the observable difference between *any* two frequencies, not just audio (although audio is where the term is encountered most often, which no doubt adds to the confusion with the musical homonym.) But for example, if the turn signals on two cars seem to be flashing in sync, but the signal on car A is just a little bit slower and starts flashing more and more behind that of car B, you're seeing the signals' beat frequency
Pilots of multi engined bombers during ww2 used to synchronise their engines to prevent the loud "pulsing" of the beat frequencies between the engines. Allegedly the Germans didn't bother so much and people could tell the difference between formations of German and allied planes because the German aircraft had a distinctive drone caused by the beats.
100%. If it's of interest: before the days of digital tuning meters this is exactly how pipe-organ tuners used to "lay down" the middle octave of a set of pipes, playing fifths and fourths - each interval between 2 notes should have a specific number of "beats" (different for each two notes) in the same way as you describe. Once you've laid the bearings of that reference octave, you then simply tune the rest to exact octaves of each note with no beat audible.
Irc another example is when you see wheels or propellers in films, slow right down or even reverse as the vehicle is moving. This happens because the "frame speed" or frequency of the camera is interacting with the frequency of rotation of the wheel or propellor. When the frequencies get close to each other, you start to see the beat frequency or difference between them. This is what gives the odd looking effects and can often be seen best in old movies with stage coaches or steam trains with spoked wheels.
In music I have heard it referred to as "beating" which can be a clearer term
@@crabby7668 not true. Germans used tiny propelers on their wings that would create siren-like sounds during high speed dives so they can psychologically dominate over people by frightening them further more. Look it up
This video fixed my childhood! And I am pretty sure not just my childhood. Thanks for the explanation!
40 years later, I finally find out what that means. I can rest easy now. Thank you!
This was very well done and explained so you can easily understand. Next, you should do a video on the "MPX' filter button on cassette decks.
Yes, sort of a related topic but different.
Yes please, if anybody can make me understand MPX it is Mr VW 👌
MPX is FM stereo. It works with a nearly inaudible 19kHz carrier tone which could beat with the recorder's bias oscillator. The MPX filter removes this high frequency so this doesn't happen.
MPX is short for "multiplex". An FM signal can have up to 6 signals mixed together - L+R, 19kHz pilot, L-R, 57kHz RDS (scrolling text) plus 2 hidden subcarriers at 67kHz & 92kHz. I've never seen an MPX filter button but it would work on the same principle. I have seen MPX line-out sockets on vintage Sonys (mid-70's). This was when FM was new and allowed outboard equipment to decode the stereo or subcarriers.
@@Anon-fv9ee wow, that’s very cool. As fascinating as the Beat Cut issue although I never saw an MPX marking on the many radio recorders I had growing up, unlike Beat Cut which was a constant mystery. I’d love to know what the optional FM subcarriers were used for - audio? Surely not? Do the illuminati have their own commercial free versions of popular radio stations? Military use?
More than 30 years I have been waiting for this explanation. Thank you so much.
Finally! The answer to one of those technical quandaries that used to drive me crazy, and an answer I had all but forgotten that I wanted to know. LOL! I wish I had been able to solve this about 35 years ago, but better late than never. Although I am unlikely to ever use one of these switches again, this satisfies me greatly. Great demonstration, too. Thank you! 😁
OK!.... "It's Official" - You are NOW my New Hero! - They NEVER taught is this stuff back at Berklee in Boston in the 80s! - So GLAD I found your channel!!! 🙂
A long time ago back when I was a kid I didn't know what that button did, so I tried it and smoke came out! It was obviously faulty but for a long time after that I stayed away from ever using that on anything else that had it.
So it did what it said, it "cut your beats".
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I think you had a Mission Impossible tape recorder
This is the clearest and cleanest explanation about this mysterious button. Thank you very much.
I NEVER knew the difference in the sound quality of certain recorders was DC bias vs. AC bias. Holy crud! This video amped up my knowledge in several areas. Thank you!!
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I had a 1994 Sanyo boombox back in the day with this switch in the back. Thank you for answering this question after 29 years of head scratching.
thank you for this weirdly satisfying video coming up with an answer to a question we had 30 years ago... This must be high on the list of "practical reasons why we need time travelling"
Great explanation! While living in the UK, I had a 1980 mono radio-cassette recorder manufactured by PYE. The beat switch was labeled RIF. Later on, here in NJ I received a crappy Soundesign boombox (1988). It had a beat-cut switch.
I dont even own any tapes, records, or even cds anymore but i love watching your channel on subjects like this! Thanks for all the entertaining and educational videos!
Me trying to figure out that beat cut switch:
Step 1: Presses the mysterious button
Step 2: Listens intently
Step 3: Nothing happens
Step 4: Starts questioning the meaning of life
WAIT A GODDAMN SECOND, the beat from the keyboard at 2:25 is the very beginning from a German Song from EAV called "Burli"! Whaaaaaaaaat... did they really sample THAT keyboard???
I remember back in 1985 I was 12 years old and had saved up for months & months to buy a boombox costing AU$120 (AU$390 in today's money). It looked a lot like the one you used to show what DC bias sounds like. When I got home I was so disappointed and took it back saying the record function is broken, it sounds all hissy and distorted. So they gave me another unit, different brand, same build. It had exactly the same problem and I took it back again. This time the salesman got annoyed with me: "what are you talking about, it works fine, I can't hear a thing!" I played him the hissy FM recording & he stood there saying he couldn't hear anything. He must have known it was DC bias that was causing it. But anyway I had to keep it. These days I know what the issue was: they were indeed using cheap DC bias circuits in many "cheap" mid-80s boomboxes. Unbelievable that they were charging the equivalent of $400 for such a rubbish product! I was so upset I didn't buy another boombox for 4 years. Everyone's nostalgic for 80s gear now but it was mostly just one massive scam as I remember it. The quality of audio gear you can get for a fraction of the price nowadays is just incredible.
everything's still a scam.. the target just moved away from sound systems a bit
I am your age. I have misophonia, and I have very sensitive ears, but I also have extremely good hearing. I can hear people whispering across a room when I teach classes (I am an RN trainer, and sometimes surprise my students when I hear what they say). The point is, my ears picked up everything when the music coming out of a cassette or record player was good or bad. My parents had both good and bad stereos, and I had a good Walkman growing up. There weren't scams, unless you bought from a less than reputable dealer who gave you a fake product. There were, however, limitations in the technology available back then. We didn't have the dehissers that we have now, the ability to compress like we do now, etc. It was limited in the recording, so the sound coming out was less than ideal, therefore, the sound we heard was less than ideal. Stereo was a newer concept, and the mono songs were being converted. Some hiss was expected, because that was part of the original recording process, and needed to be removed by using the dials on your equipment and dialing the treble and bass, etc. Audiophiles, such as myself, have grown to love the familiar pops and crackles of vinyl. It's the imperfections of recordings that bring them to life. It's nostalgia. If you go back and listen to the original recordings, you will hear those same hissy (and in the case of mono, tinny) imperfections. It is what it is. The music was far superior back then, despite the technological recording limitations. We had creativity on our side. I will take the 80s any day.
Thank you for the explanation, my younger self back in the 80's always wonder what the beat cut switch did.
Adding my thanks for the explanation as well. As a young audiophile, I too was perplexed by this switch many, many years ago - for some reason I equated "beats" to "bass" and was wondering why anyone would want to cut the bass. I never did try to record from AM though as my recordings were primarily audio off FM.
This video was so nice to watch, I love both cassettes and AM/FM Radio, I used to record music from the air broadcasts of my city on my tapes back when I was a kid, and oh boy, I miss those days with my little and cheap Lennox all-in-one.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s. I think I owned (or more likely my parents owned) at least two of the exact stereos shown in this video. I used to record music from the radio all the time. I had no idea what that "beat"/"iss" button did. It only took like 40 years but now I finally understand it!
yeah... well... who in the 80 and 90's recorded from AM, regardless?
Excellent video….I shared the video with a fellow dj to explain why the “acapella” button and the “instrumental” button on the mixer are simply the old school beat kill and oscillators/filters. So instead of radio interference….it’s frequency interference from the program material. Great video to help explain that.
You answered a great many questions, and I’m a technically minded guy and recording engineer! However none knew this stuff back in the day! Lol
BTW The ‘bias’ is a 60khz signal thats sent to the erase head, its outside the tape’s freq range and so it wipes the tape by making the magnetic particles seemingly of random polarity. DC bias sets the particles to just N or S magnetically, while this wipes any recorded signal it delimits recording i.e. If the tape is biased N and your waveform swings S then the waveform recorded has to overcome a huge N bias and thus is reduced in value - exactly like listening to a push-pull valve amp with one dead valve.
I'm amazed and blown away that you even thought of a video like this. Only you Sir and what a great video !
Finally I get an answer to a question I never thought about but I hope that one day that knowledge will come in useful. Thanks for the informative and well put together video!
Where were you in 1968 to 1973, when I made all my AM radio recordings? Well, back then, there were all kinds of problems, but that beat interference did plague a lot of my recordings, but I don't think my recorders had any kind of "beat cut" feature. The biggest problem I found back then was if I was in my room trying to record from 93 KHJ in Los Angeles, and someone had the big (25 inches!) color TV on in the living room, that would really mess up my recordings. It took me a while to figure out it was the TV! So, another piece of advice for recording AM radio is to make sure no one is watching a late 1960s tube color TV nearby! And also make sure you don't pick a DJ who really likes to talk over music. (I'm looking at you, ghost of The Real Don Steele!)
I remember I found what that switch is for, when I read the manual for my favorite soviet boombox - the VEF 260. That thing is an excellent AM receiver, with the regular medium wave band split in two for better selectivity, so the engineers who designed it put some care in explaining what the bias switch does. The switch has three positions, but what was NOT explained was that it would shift the bias frequency enough to allow recording on chrome tapes.
Love the DAK catalog page at 10:41. I purchased my favorite SW radio from DAK back in 91.
I think it was somewhere around the year 2006 when AM radio was switched off for over here in Holland. I live approximately 15 kilometers from where a big transmission site was, one megaWatt of power and all over the band there were hums and hisses, clicks and tones, everything else was completely unlistenable caused by the disturbance.
Recently I bought again an AM radio and to my surprise the disturbance was gone and so where all AM radio stations, I knew that the biggest part of them were closing down, but I never bothered to try. Now there is some talk radio in foreign languages and so now and then a far away station with unrecognisable local pop music. It sounds like going on a holiday, then I always listen to whatever station that is on the air. Recipes and politics in French and people worrying about nothing important. Goodbye AM, it was nice 40 years ago, but not any more.
I'm also from The Netherlands, the last high power AM transmitter here was switched off in 2019: 1008 kHz from the Flevoland transmitter. Originally 400 kW daytime power, only 100 kW or so in the later years. Shortly after the final closedown, the transmitter was demolished. It was a nice piece of engineering, an anti fading antenna transmitting on both 747 and 1008 kHz, 400 kW each. 747 went off air in 2015.
Nowadays, several low power AM stations are legally on air all over the country on numerous frequencies, power levels between 1 W and 100 W. Maybe one of them is nearby, maybe you're able to receive several after dark. I like that :) Apart from that, I tune in to Radio Caroline on 648 kHz broadcasting from Orfordness, UK from time to time. One of the few music stations transmitting on AM/medium wave.
@@JesperD87 Yes, it was a year in the two thousand range, the programmes were aimed at elderly women ("de Muzikale Fruitmand" and that programme with Willy Walden and Ase Rasmussen, "Raad een Lied of Niet").
I'm from Bosnia. I sometimes catch a Romanian AM station but they seem to be exclusively a talk show station. Other times, when I'm out in the field, I catch a (I think) military station all the way from Russia at night.
Nice clear explanation. I did always wonder about it back in the 80s but I never recorded AM. Still, it’s nice to get an explanation decades later. Thanks!
10:37 I recognize where that ad was from! I wish I'd kept those old DAK catalogues.
Also, thanks for explaining what the Beat Switch was for, I never knew.
Not to be confused with an MPX filter, which rolls off the frequency response around 19 kHz to prevent the FM stereo multiplex signal from interfering with the bias of cassette recorders that can record above 19 kHz. Unfortunately, some high-end cassette decks did not have the option of turning this filter off so you could never record above 19 kHz, even if the deck was capable of it. (Although today I would be absolutely thrilled if I could hear anything above 13K.)
Let me see if I understand it: the FM stereo signal is amplitude-modulated onto a 38kHz subcarrier. This subcarrier is then suppressed from the transmitted signal, and substituted with a “pilot tone” at 19.5kHz, exactly half the subcarrier frequency. This can be picked up by the stereo decoder and used to regenerate the phase-accurate subcarrier so the AM stereo signal can be correctly decoded, and then applied to the mono baseband signal to regenerate the separate left and right audio channels.
Not sure why this carrier-suppression scheme was used; something about reducing the overall bandwidth requirements of the signal?
"...I know this topic may be of diminishing relevance..." It certainly isn't. This is an excellent representation of the phase shift in frequencies that college physics students learn about that you can hear. When you are doing the calculations, it's hard to visualize what they mean. This is a great tutorial.
I forgot how confused I was with this back in the day! Thanks!
This is why I love the internet. Answers to questions we all have or had but never really thought much about.
i love how your videos are like, this wonderful trip to the fever dreams of trying to figure out ham radios growing up in mercer county with the random ass stations you test with
Thank you very much this video! For many years I've seen these switches again and again...but never could figure out any difference when turning them to a different position (because I never recorded AM radio).
Finally got the answer for something that puzzled me without realising until now for some 30+ years. Thank you, I can rest easy now😉
I truly learned something today. And just because you have spoken about them the under appreciated cheap end stereo systems of the 80s might get the respect they deserve. There were some great systems produced round then, like the Aria FX series, even the cheapest FX 20 came with a neat linear tracking turntable. No kidding.
And you even explained what sort of disadvantage might come from just leaving beat cut on all the time, hence the ability to turn it off. So thanks, nice video!
I just want to tell you how much I enjoy this UA-cam channel. (A lot.) ✌️❤️
Thanks for taking the time to share this with us!
Many ham radios and high-end shortwave radios have a "beat shift" or "clock shift" as well. The interference is from the local oscillators and CPU clocks. With CPUs, IFs, and internal buses now in the tens to hundreds of MHz, it can affect VHF/FM radio, and similarly, the feature changes oscillator frequency slightly to place the "birdies" off the frequency you're listening to. Most modern radios have firmware that automatically activates this when you punch in a problematic frequency, so you'd never know it's being used.
Seen this on various products growing up and never knew what it was for! My father said 'its mainly for LW and we dont really listen to those frequencies' so thank you for that! Very informative!!
Thank you for solving a 40 year old question for me. That switch has mystified me since my first boombox.
it took almost 40 years. now i am complete. thank you.
Seriously, thank you for posting this. I've heard tons of recordings from AM radio and never understood where the whining came from. I always assumed it was something environmental, something nearby. I didn't know it was something internal to the recorder on these.
Even reading the instructions back in the day I didn't understand what problem it was trying to solve until seeing this video. Thank you!
Holy Crow; that was a good explanation! Just based on the term "Beat Cut", I would have thought that it had something to do with adding blank sound, before the start of a recording, which wasn't even close.
An excellent video. Despite being big into recording I never knew this, but then pretty much all my radio recordings were from FM and like many others I obviously didn't read manuals as fully as I could have. Thinking about it, I feel the switch should really be called AM Whine Cut.
@Vaquero357 But that is superheterodyne beating caused by two stations in close proximity, rather than that caused by the tape bias oscillator. I think the marketing departments of these products wouldn't want to claim they are solving that problem which is actually most of the whistling sounds on AM.
Congrats! This is the first time you filled a gap in my knowledge that I always wondered about!
Thanks, VWestlife, for your in-depth video about the beat cut switch. I recall seeing that switch on some of my previous boomboxes from the mid-1980's to the 90's (Prosonic, Samsung, Fisher, etc.) and never understood what it was for.
Now I know and knowing is half the battle. G.I. Joe!
All the best. :)
In the 90's, I inherited my dad's 1982 F100 pickup that only had an AM radio in it (the kind with the 5 preset buttons that go KER-CHUNK when you press them.) The only station I could stand listening to that wasn't Hits of the 50's or hardline conservative talk radio was Radio Disney. But that station always had a high-pitched squeal that directly lined up with how hard I was pressing the gas pedal. So as I was accelerating, the sound would drown out whatever S Club 7 sounding stuff I was trying to rock out to. Now I think I understand what was happening.
High pitched squeals that change with the engine speed are almost always due to alternator noise. Either the radio or the alternator had a problem.
Wow, you learn something new every day. Thank you! Always wondered what that switch did
I didn't know that at all! I have never recorded anything from an AM radio. I think the switch shifts the BIAS frequency so as not to interfere with AM reception.
Always wondered why I heard that noise while recording AM radio!!! Thanks for this entertaining expose.
This was a genuinely good and informative video, even if AM is pretty much dead where I normally live.
I just recently even came across beat cut switches and at some point even mistakenly assumed they were for signal rewiring to cancel the centre portion of a stereo song (i.e., cut out vocals on cheap Karaoke systems). D'oh!
Always a good day when a video drops ❤️
I had always wondered what that was. I had played around with it thinking beat cut literally meant it cut the drum beat out of a song. Of course it didn't. Thanks for sharing this!
I always thought it was in reference to a possible beat between the bias oscillator and the 38kHz FM pilot tone. You learn something new every day.
I've never heard bias compared to msg before. That had me in tears. 🤣🤣
Thank you so much for addressing this! It’s an unsolved mystery from a crappy boom box I had as a child. The completely unnecessary, meaningless “beat cancel” switch. It was only to fill space.
Dials, buttons, switches and knobs. A pain to maintain but so bloody desirable!
Finally. After almost 30 years this mystery is solved. Now please explain the numbers and the scale on this frequency chart at 6:25
Thanks so much for that very thorough explanation. I knew about the Beat switch and knew it had something to do with AM radio, but that's about it.
I've had a few stereos that had this beat cut switch but I could never figure out what it did. I now know thanks to your video.
Back in the 80s my parents had a JCPenney stereo system which was a receiver, a tape deck, and turntable up top.
I remember it having those function symbols in blue on your stereo seen in the beginning of the video but clear because they lit up on a gray background when a function is selected.
thanks for this video, I always asked about it, but I never found a so clear and easy explanation
I learned now that "beat" or "beat frequency" is what is called in German "Schwebung" - the amplitude changing signal resulting in two frequencies next to each other. The amplitude changing frequency is then approximately the difference of the two involved frequencies (in first order).
Was an effect very used by musicians on their analog synthesizers ;-)
The English technical term is “heterodyne”. Also used as the basis for higher-frequency radio receivers (e.g. FM).
A switch that doesn't have "on" and "off" positions, but a choice of 2-3 seemingly identical options for a technical detail that the user is not supposed to know about - that *is* hard to label correctly for any UI designer. I knew that switch and roughly what situation it was for, but not what the source of the problem was. Thanks!
I never had such a switch on any of my sets. Parenthetically, there's also nothing I would ever record off the A.M. side. But the explanation answers a lot of questions. A lot more confusing is how Pause key works on VHS. You have to fathom the time shift to get clean edits.
I always assumed the whistle was caused by interference introduced by the tape deck's motor and chalked it up to poor quality components; never did I know that THIS was the reason behind it. For years this has been one of those curiosities I've never been invested enough in to get to the bottom of, but always wondered about--not anymore thanks to this video!
Always wondered why it was sometimes called an oscillator switch. I’d assumed it introduced a 180° out of phase signal into the tape recording to filter out something from the radio, didn’t realise it was the tape deck’s own bias frequency. Slightly altering the frequency so it’s no longer harmonic makes much more sense than a phase inversion too, especially since you need the switch in one position for some frequencies, another for others, and makes no difference in yet others.
Nice demonstration. Also makes your recent poll contextualised ;) I always saw MW called AM or AM/MW here because I’m a child of the 90s, but had figured it was “medium” by means of exclusion from being included alongside SW and LW even though it wasn’t labelled MW on my dad’s fancy receiver.
What a fascinating video - today I finally learned what the mysterious "beat cut" was all about! Thanks! 🙂
Ah, such an interesting knowledge to have in 2023, this might come in handy sometime
I've never recorded an AM broadcast to experience the oscillation issue but now I know what the cryptic B.P. switch on my boombox means.
The "beat" is basically beating two signals together. It's the "B" in BFO, the Beat Frequency Oscillator, which mixes a second signal with a received single sideband (SSB) one to allow it to be heard normally.
Getting that frequency wrong produces some entertaining effects ...
We use those in ADF
Fascinating video, I didn't know what it was for either! What I do know is that after seeing this many folks will be flocking to MW, popping in a tape, pressing record and seeing if their old machine rocks a 'beat cut' facility... Let the good times and the cassette decks roll!))
Wow, never knew that, also think there could be a reason to do a video on bias too, maybe comparing different methods and frequencies, could also record in Audacity and pitch shift so we can hear different AC bias signals, cool!
"Beat Cut" is why Edward Scissorhands never looked at naughty magazines
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As an amateur radio operator I immediately recognized the function.
I have always wondered what the purpose of those switches were on radios from decades ago. I never did record anything from AM onto cassette tapes so I never figured this out. Excellent explanation and demonstrations too!
Bravo i'm in my 60's so yes I have wondered about this , it's never to late to learn thanks.
Finally! Someone has explained what beat cut is. Thank you.
Great explanation, thanks! I have not recorded off AM in 40+ years but good to know exactly what that little beat cut button did, not to mention its the same as OSC, ISS, etc. 😊
We didn't have much AM here in the Netherlands after WW2 , just FM because it had much better sound quality. any advantage of AM (larger distances, I assume?) was not needed in our small country
only some pirate radio stations used AM (and some official news channels, but those were also on FM )
I remember those switches. I think there was even one one, or the markings for one, on a boombox that had a flip-out erase magnet and wouldn't have needed such a switch. The other mysterious switch I remember from that era was the "stereo wide" switch, which emphasized the sounds that were different from left to right, making the stereo effect more pronounced, despite the close spacing between the speakers. It was a cool feature, but if the speakers had been angled out on more boomboxes, there would have been less of a need for it.
Thank you so much for improving my knowledge! I humbly thank you for your efforts!
Great job! As soon as you mentioned it in the venue of shortwave, I knew exactly what beats you meant.
Great job explaining that. I myself have always wondered what that was all about. Very cool you had some real life samples and could duplicate the issue. Thanks for the new wrinkle in my brain!
Very well explained. I would imagine that the 'correct' setting moves the beat frequency above the audible range. I suppose it would even have been possible to automate this - with a modern radio tuner having a digital display, there's enough information available to pick a bias frequency that won't beat in the audible range without requiring user input, not that this would have ever been cost-effective in the sort of devices that actually needed it.
I love how much style old electronics had, really pretty stuff