@@sharedsailing4787 you are comparing a Z to a B series though... But yeah prices don't reflect the change. And even the number of ports on the back have gone down across the board. They just decided 6 to 8 was all we'll ever get.
Motherboards have gone seriously downhill for connectivity for the past few years. Those of us who need a non-gaming one almost have to get a Threadripper to get full USB, PCIe slots, and UART. I keep a Chinese X99 system just for these...
2:50 It is BECAUSE it is Platinum rated, THAT the power supply can be made that small. These only have to deal with 26W-52W-143W of heat at 20%-50%-100% load in the worst case, allowing for small heatsinks. Very efficient DC-DC circuitry and controllers for non-12V rails allow for neat and tidy packaging.
It's also because of the L shape it appears small. It really isn't if you add in the invisible space above the L shelf. That space that would otherwise be taken up by the headers on the rear is now that vacant space. The actual ps space taken is the same as a larger one.
There's a Titanium rated 1650W PSU from Thermaltake that's slightly smaller and also offers a 10 year warranty. Comes without an awkwardly placed USB hub and twice the price but whatever. There's a bunch of smaller and more efficient PSUs out there at a comparable or better price. Lian Li probably just high from huffing fan fumes.
Well yes, but actually no, 5/6 years ago I bought a dark power pro 11 1000w, it was big while being platinum rated. And now they are selling Straight power 11 1000w also plat rated, with a regular PSU size doing the same thing. Just technologic has advanced.
@@hankwest5662 Now, 2 months after my initial comment, prices where different from now. By now, according to PCPP and therefore 'Merica only, both the 1300W Platinum ADATA XPG Cybercore 1 $169,99 & 2 $209,99 are still less expensive then the Lian Li L $229,99. Admittedly that's a bunch less then 2 months ago. In Germany as another example, according to Geizhals, there are still 4 both cheaper and smaller Platinum, 1300W+ PSUs available with the cheapest one being about 100€ less expensive. One of these is actually a 1500W PSU. Both time and location play a crucial role, I used Jays in context of the video and mine, yours could be different but you gave no example so idk. The stuff I'm talking about is still valid and easily to check. Maybe do so yourself before going nekro on a months old comment or at least try to give context.
As time passes, it's good to see manufacturers adapting their products to what the general public asks for. This power supply is something I could have used 10 years ago when I was creating large servers and workstations, better late than never I say.
@@vr0k3n You’ll be surprised how many “simple” pc builders were asked to build servers AND workstations but you are right that the majority don’t do that.
This needs to be common practice. Smart thinking with Lian Li here, the person who came up with this idea deserves a heavy raise. It's genius because why the hell has nobody else thought to do this for us pc enthusiasts? Now they need to incorporate this into common build sizes and watch these things fly off the shelves! Thank you JTC for taking the time to show us this. Btw, PSUs aren't boring, they're fascinating bits of tech and annoyances at times for some of us. 😂😊❤
@@AnotherLazybum No you don't, cause Corsair doesn't have 1200W in such an compact PSU. Their SF series are their smallest ones and they have just released their biggest at 1000W. Hence I think you're simply mistaken or trolling. EDIT: Clearly misread and misunderstood here, my bad!
@@DawelioRe-read again, he clearly stated that he had a Corsair psu that is almost 2 times bigger than this Lian Li ones. Probably referring to an AX1200I, that thing was long.
@@Dawelio typical looking so quickly to put another person down you misread his comment when he was agreeing with you, you are whats wrong with people nowadays the person was being non confrontational whatsoever even joking around a bit and someone somewhere has to get offended because they want to feel they're intellectually superior to someone else were literally all here to learn about pc parts just sit and watch
Yeahhhh,would be cool but.... We had cards burning because people couldn't seat the plugs. Can you imagine how they will mess this up😂 we aren't ready as species for this.
That would probably be a nightmare for the engineers designing it. An extra point of failure and connection point (added resistance) right next to the main board, I'm thinking that would be dicey and boost the price a lot.
The connector block is a part of the main board. I remember them saying that they were trying to simplify the production by doing away with the normal daugterboard with the connections as on normal psu´s.
I think it would be easier to just make an inverted version. They definately need to do that though for the cases that are meant to have the PSU fan oriented to the bottom.
@@nekoghostgunner1129 They could probably make the connectors on the other side of the lip/board. They just can´t move the lip because of the board. Otherwise just buy a normal PSU.
Yes. This is a consumer focused PSU that manufactures need to see this as a shot across the bow. I need more USB accessibility because, as a student using a mid/high tier workstation for GIS and 3d processing, there is allot of USB divides I use just to do my classes. I have a USB flash drive to hold my documents, a backup of all my documents, a Wi-Fi device, mouse, keyboard, the occasional CD/DVD for monthly cold backups, and a backup separate to cold storage for offsite backups of classes that goes to my parents. Then there is my messing around with AI Stable Diffusion that also has it's own backup and USB backups. I need more USB 2.0 headers do coursework and hobbies. Lian-Li has had at least one sale to at least bridge the gap that I have this moment as a student. If they continue with it I will give them first dibs as a customer who has a niche trade and hobby. Lian-Li, I am only one customer of probably several hundred thousands, but this is a product that I have needed. Thank you for solving my connectivity problems, and I hope that this is something that sells well enough that there are more.
On top of being odd and different, that form factor actually has a huge advantage in manufacturing because they can just extend the PCB under that section and surface mount the connectors. 1) I'm surprised it took so long to do that and 2) I expect lots of copy cats in the next few years.
@@yuan.pingchen3056 I think the usb hub will remain a Lian-Li exclusive but I don't see the shape will remain exclusive for very long. Most people will not know that Lian-Li did it first, sadly most will think it is cool and unique when EVGA, Thermaltake, or Cooler Master does it.
Giving it an active fan hub is really smart tho .... you can just take signal with virtually no load from mobo and the PSU will deliver all the power you need without worying about overloadig mobo header. I mean theese days you can have case with 10 or even more fans and if you go custom water loop you can have sigle preset for entire loop.
Through all this, I'm genuinely amazed that Jay didn't have a conniption about installing a white PSU and white cables, into a black case. Disregard the fact there was a white 4060 installed already, I really thought his OCD was gonna make him explode.
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I'm personalizing it. I'm one of those people who buys expensive mobos (ASUS Maximus Z790 Hero) and I still like having more USB ports. But perhaps you are correct and the average premium mobo customer mayn't purchase it.
I think it's certainly nice to have in case it's needed, but I'd care much more for what Jay suggested, so fan connectors or (even better) ARGB connectors.
Why is a PSU handling input/output anyway? Even if motherboards are lacking in I/O I don't think it is the role of a PSU to solve that issue. The only justification I can see is if the power demands of modern USB devices are so high that you don't want to run it all through the motherboard. Otherwise it seems to me like a memory stick with an RGB header on it; even if the need is legitimate the component serving that need is out of its lane.
@@Phage0070 I couldn't agree more. This PSU is for suckers. Its like DLSS or Frame generation for I/O. An Ext powered usb hub is already better cable management with those pcie connectors intersecting each other.
No doubt that's a big part of it, but I would imagine that GaN components and dc-dc step down converters are two of the biggest reasons for the diminutive size In any case it's incredibly impressive how small modern PSUs are for the power they put out
Honestly, this is one of the most exciting products you have covered lately.. if I didn't already have an AX1600i, I'd be all over this. I love the repositioning of the plugs, as trying to plug in new power to a device in my present case is such a pain. The USB hub is great as well.. bring on all the hubs!! Moo
Love it! You hit the nail on the head, PSUs don't need the footprint the standard calls for. This gives the manufacturers license to add in other features. Lian Li is always thinking of ways to make their products stand out.
@JayzTwoCents like you mentioned : - a 4-pin PWM fan hub - an RGB lighting hub (ARGB + DRGB) and maybe this : - put a block of female USB Type A connectors on 1 side of the back of the PSU so that these are accessible from outside the PC case (in case your motherboard rear IO panel doesn't have a lot of them) - cable management option to hide the cables coming off the PSU : add 1 extra (removable) "wall panel" that you can clip or slide on the cable connector panel and the front of the PSU, and have the option to clip/slide it either on the left or the right side depending how you install the PSU in the PC case upside down or normal (like with a PC case with a glass window you would be able to completely hide the cables coming off the PSU)
That's real nice. Like the fan grill, mod plug and wire selection, the pre attached combs, the USB hub, the pcie custom plate, the size, power and efficiency... just well done. Bravo. In the next iteration add a fan and rgb hub... only other things anyone could ask for.
This makes ALOT of sense... My thought is the cables coming off the PSU should be 90degrees, and yes... they should be longer. Will be purchasing one of these as soon as they hit the market. Pretty cool!
I've been wondering for a long time why there aren't more different options for power supply designs. I love the white aesthetic and the wires come with those comb thingies preinstalled for keeping your wires looking nice! I think I really like this PSU, but I'll bet it's out of my budget range. I've actually got an extra USB header device (giving me 6 more usb headers) because my rig didn't have enough- that USB header idea is really great! I'd LOVE to have RGB/Fan headers on a PSU- that's a really great idea, and it's got me thinking about more stuff now as well.
Lian Li could offer the option to order small, medium, or large cables that would ship with that PSU. Customers could purchase from any online or mom-and-pop retailer and have the PSU shipped directly to the consumer, leaving the return process with those retailers. They could have a guide on ordering the cables needed for their case and/or the direction they would run them. Your idea to have a PMW and/or RBGW controller would be super beneficial while allowing the option to use whichever software to run those controllers.
It's nice to see a PSU designed for dual chamber cases in mind, since there are so many of them out there these days. And the USB hub is a refreshing addition to see as well. There seems to never be enough USB ports on the main board. But AIO's and some RGB and fan hubs need them. Lian-Li has set the bar on this on IMO.
Regarding 06:44, there are some cards already and have been for a while, that use two of the 12VHpwr connectors, like f.e. the Galax HoF cards that are extreme OC focused. They first introduced that dual 12V connector with their 3090 Ti HoF OC Lab Edition, a LN2 focused card that had special unlocked OC Bioses available for it.
I would love to see the addition on the fan and RGB hubs as you suggested. Also since your adding a USB connection to the PSU anyway you could actually put a PWM and RGB controller in the PSU. You could also put the hardware in to allow software monitoring of the PSU. If your building a dual chamber system based on the O11 concept and a LOT of people are, this PSU makes perfect sense.
Power supplies have good bit of competition. I'm hearing J having some. excitement about a power supply. If we have competition it's a good thing. monopoly bad.
I just don't get it why you rave so much about the usb.... to have the usb connectors in the psu makes the psu more expensive .. you may just as well get a usb hub for 10 bucks !!!! I really do not see what this psu would do for me that I can not do with regular psu's .... so for that once again a thumb down for me
Never thought I'd be able to say "I want that PSU!" until now. That will absolutely be my next one. This PSU design coupled with BTF components would make a ridiculously clean build. I would love to see you do a BTF-based, custom loop build using this PSU to see how clean you can get it.
The reason they include 2 types of the 12vhpwr cable is I believe to accommodate for the type of cards that require 3 pcie power cables. Its meant to be 1 or the other, not both. My msi 1000w psu also included the same 2 cables and menthions that.
Oh, it actually was released as specific to an 011D and dual chamber cases, there was a lot of information in February but it doesn't look like it's available for release through retailers yet. I hope everyone sees that the Edge models also have forward facing connections before they order them.
10:11 That particular case's (Lancool 216) bottom mesh panel is removable. There's a single screw at the back and you slide the panel towards the rear to remove it.
This is likely to be a Helly Tech core for those wondering. They are a lesser known OEM that used to be trash but in recent years have started producing decent quality stuff (not quite teir 1) for decent prices. If you want to look at reviews, look for 1st Player (their retail brand) - several of their recent platinum models have had solid if unexciting reviews - they tend to use slightly cheaper fets and fans to keep price down, but still look like good reliable units with all the stuff you would expect in a decent brand. (LLC, nippon chemi-con caps etc)
I'd love the idea of consolidating all the hubs into the PSU. Consolidating some of the case IO cables there and developing one standard cable could all be a neat way of making motherboards I bit less of a mess.
This is actually really clever. I'd have to imagine it's easier for trace routing too since you don't have to have separate PCBs for the power supply itself and the connectors
PSU's are usually not fun unless GN is blowing them up 😂😂, however this PSU is incredible, seems they thought of most things. I might need to upgrade both my PSU's now. Well done, LIAN LI!
It's popular in a lot of MATX and ITX cases to mount the power supply against the front wall of the case with the fan facing outward. Because the fan and cable ports face the same way on this PSU, all of your cables would run toward the front and have to turn around. Probably not a big deal though, unless the cables can't tolerate the bend radius. Just thinking through my keyboard.
I bought a NZXT Internal USB 2.0 Gen3 hub and it gives 3 extra ports (4th for lead) which has been working perfectly fine the past nearly 2 years on the ROG Maximus Z790 Extreme. I have to connect - Corsair H170i (with own Y-splitter direct on mobo) - Corsair AX1200i link interface - CM HAF 700 EVO LCD display - CM HAF 700 EVO ARGB controller Aside of that, I have a feeling these irregular designs won't really see much liftoff, realistically 99% of the cases are built for traditional design and many will not change a case quickly if it still suffices, unless you want newer USB-C connectors and such on the front I/O. I'm still waiting for the day Corsair finally announces a Corsair AX1800i with ATX 3.1 and atleast TWO native 12VHPWR connectors so you can easily get sleeved cables without all the adapters. Corsair is being... very silent. For now my 10 year old AX1200i is still working perfectly but I want a better solution once the RTX 5000 series arrive, case manufacturers better hurry with PCI-E 5.0 risers as well.
Just pulled the trigger on the cooler master XG750w, for some USB and LCD goodness (hopfully). Donating my CV550-F rgb to my other half & treating her to a 4060 ti to replace the 1660, which might lead to a full upgrade✌😢.
Oh about things like fan hubs on these things, look, the idea is nice, but knowing from experience that manufacturers software sometimes behaving very erratic (Corsair iCUE, causing a lot of conflicts, loss of sensors etc) or being almost straight malware (Asus Armory Crate) I don't think we want to rely on having to go through PSU-manufacturers software in order to steer the fans based on temperatures of the system. The bios can handle this way more error-free, and no, FanControl is not perfect as for example it cannot control EVGA iCX GPUs nor Corsair AIO fans/pump that aren't connected to the mobo plus it uses a WinRing0.sys driver that is exploitable on kernel level leaving your system fully at risk while the software is active. I'll stick with my more traditional but fool-proof methods including a case that has overkill airflow by default. Also individual hubs are easier to come by and take lesser effort to replace instead of having to redo all your cables because the PSU was a dud. That's almost like asking Intel and AMD to introduce BGA-soldered sockets for our DIY projects, motherboard dead? tough luck say goodbye to the CPU kinda deal.
Got one a couple months ago. So much NICER having all the extra usb connectors when dealing with all the dumb rgb shit. The price is very reasonable Paid $140 for the 850w Worth it just for saving all the hassle. The cables with the 4 sata all in a row AWESOME for the controllers.
This is the reason why I´ll never dodge Lian Li even tho it´s more expensive. You know these guys care about their customers because they freaking listen and always go for the innovation. I´ll never regret paying premium prices for Lian Li because they do a great job. They can read my mind. My mobo has only 1 USB connector and I was about to spend 30 bucks on 2 adapter cables but from a chinese brand I don´t even know... I just hope they have a 850W or maybe 1000W version of this.
Power supplies are something that's not discussed enough IMO. They don't get any shine from the Big Toobers unless they're self destructing on screen (no names will be given to protect the... guilty!) or the company is wrapped in some sort of controversy. And I know most Big Toobers has covered PSU matching a time or two BUT system components and their power requirements change in a matter of months the 4-5 year old PSU video isn't very useful anymore. Just my 2¢. You see what I did there? 😎
Jay, talk to video card companies about getting the power inputs on the other side of the card to help hide the cables. I agree, placement would be a challenge, but being able to plug in on the back side would be nice.
My idea would be to integrate off one of the USB ports... a controller which has an internal ARGB controller with 2 or 3 independent ARGB ports and fan controller, which just shows up off the USB port, so they show up in the system as more ports... which can be used by any software. With the ARGB running the power straight from the PSU, no issues with the power needs. Fan controllers, have a pump port controlled by one of the PCIe or new GPU connector, so it spins up the pump and fans as the GPU starts pulling more power and scales down as it reduces the power draw...
Power supplies should look like a huse Dash board to a race car . That monitor Temps to all devices Cpu /GPU/MB hub A fan control hub and fan software with advanced settings for fans. If they can plug into every piece that can sense its temperature. Monitoring devices are keys to help you find out what's going on with your systems. Just like knowing when programs jump on and jump off your temperatures, start rising. Start lowering. It would be nice if it was another way to keep a mother board in check.. Kind of like the psu has its own Bios you can go into and see what's going on with all your stuff.. We just a mother board that plugs into everything. Now the power supply also touches all the same stuff give the psu the same thing that Corsair air uses on their nice PSUs
That's smart ... I agree the PSU should have the fan headers and fan control . I don't believe in running fans off my mother board.. I only like using the motherboard header because it actually monitors my fan speed. It has all that good control. So if you would put that good control into a PSU like how the Corsair actually has an app that will tell me how hot my SSD is running. I like that the power should be in control of temperatures of everything in your system and at the same time all the fans that can cool your system. Your fan shouldn't be running off your motherboard because that's just power running from the PSU straight through your motherboard straight to your fan. It should be like a car where we now use relays in cars so we have the main load under the hood and we have just the control switches behind the dash. It's not all the main power so you don't have like in the olden days. How when you turn your headlights on on the car, all that power is going through your headlight switch and eventually the headlight switch will just melt.. Whatever you get the idea.. The motherboard should be controlling smart devices .. not fans.. PSUs are using monitoring software.. I like motherboards that have a lot of monitoring gadgets and widgets. But it's nice to have other sources to cross reference with. And to take some of that no important workload off the motherboard because now I mean I have a 850w PSU and I'm getting ready to build a nice 2025 PC. And I'm starting to think I need at least a 1200 to a 1600 watt PSU I build car audio when I put an amp in a car. I want the amp to be twice. The size that the subs will need. I'll dial the amp back this way. Everything runs nice and cool. I build my PC's the same way. I put all the biggest best components in there that can run the best and I make the power supply twice of what I need this way the PSUs never really gets hot.. And the PSU never has to use its tan to cool itself.. Cause your case has enough cooling to force extra air through the PSU.. Heat is also the #1 killer in car audio. And It doesn't just kill performance. .it will smoke your sound system. Cause whatever causes your heat ... Will be the starting point of the Domino effect
My only disappointment is that the USB hub only has USB 2 support, not USB 3, or whatever we're supposed to call it now. (Also doesn't help that USB 3 has 2 different types of headers(and the USB C internal header apparently has 2 different versions too))
There are a lot of people that think "out of the ordinary" but most people reject, bully, exclude, and mistreat them. If you're wondering what I'm talking about, I am talking about autism. I can tell you from experience, its true and it makes most of us depressed. There would probably be a lot more "out of the ordinary thinking" products if we weren't rejected and depressed. I just wanted to say it because I think its one of the reasons why these types of products aren't common. I wouldn't be surprised if an autistic person designed this PSU.
Plugging cables into my PSU in my 5000D is the bane of my life. I use a Corsair 1200i (the one from the iCue Link days) and I have to basically remove it to get the cables plugged in and take them out.
You know, saying most people install it facing down, alot of everyone still likes to have it help pull air through the case, as well in the grand scheme of things, it's still a very very new thing to have the PSU pulling air from outside the case instead of the inside. Also remember the old Gateway ( and other OEMs) machines that used the PSU fan ( pulling air in through the PSU in some cases) to also cool the CPU
Hope its better then their 750 SFX that i had to send for RMA 3 times before getting my money back :P AND GETTING AN 750w SFX EVGAaaaaaaa :P My motherboard has 2 x usb-C 2x2, 2 TB4, 7 x usb-a 3.2, and 8 onboard usb connectors. just like everyone who can afford this PSU does not have a 120$ motherboard... Not to mention the USB on this PSU is only 2.0... prize is not to bad at $229.99 :P
Interest video, Jay. I wanted to check out the PS on Amazon, but when I click the Amazon (US) link, it only takes me to the Amazon home page and not to the specific product? Am I the only one who is having this problem?
Seasonic has a cool one with a power dongle, very handy. I wouldn't want to use the Lian-Li Edge PSU in water cooled builds. If it leaked into those connectors, rip. Depends on the components/case of course.
Fuck PSU Makers for not having the pin layout standardized. THE COMPONENT SIDE(Board/GPU/Drive) is standardized, but don't you dare try and use the same cable between corsair and cooler master for example. At best it won't work. At worst you have destroyed your system . .
What’s the measurement for shorter length side of the PSU? It’s officially 182x86x150. Some of smaller itx cases accept ATX but have tight length requirements. Usually 150 or 160mm. I bought a 160mm to find out is was only compatible with motherboards with the second slot for the GPU. An example case is the SAMA 01.
A lot of this I like. Suggestion for PSU manufacturers: sell 2 or 3 different sizes so we can buy it with the Sml, Med, or Large length cable sets. Or comes in 2 boxes, buy the PSU & cable set separately, buy more PCIe/CPU/SATA/Molex separately to suit needs. A USB header to USB hub w RGB/fan control could be it's own little box not just integrated with PSU. Who wants to see a bar graph/ RGB by the PSU indicating the recent peak power & longer average like sound level on an audio mixers?
I have recently bought a MSI MEG Ai1300P PCIE5 because it's my first platinum one, it is ATX 3.0 ready (Which I'm still confused about it being able to work with the new 3.1 standard) but most importantly it has a USB B connector that goes directly into the 2.0 header or a USB A slot to report power draw directly to the PC and in the MSI Center app on the PC it also tracks efficiency AND KWH usage, which can be very interesting if you like tracking the energy usage of your PC.
ARGB headers...USB headers...fan headers...PSU manufacturers - listen up - that would be freakin' AWESOME. I *hate* trying to manage all that! Just make it easy and I'm in.
7:13 The first time i've ever seen that multi-drive connector was in a Thermaltake Lv. 10 GT. I don't know why more companies didn't utilize something like that in the future.
Great idea. But I doubt they're going to bring it to lower wattage power supplies that most of us use, and that's a pity. Using the (often maligned) Steam hardware survey that indicates that most gamers have 200-250 W GPUs and 200 W CPUs at max, and using about 1.5x multiplier, 800W or probably serves a majority of users. I'd pay extra over a standard 750-850 PSU to get this. I won't pay the premium to get a 1300W PSU just for this feature.
I don't want dumb USB connectors that just provide power. Most of the USB devices need drivers to work. I guess I want my PSU to just provide reliable power and it has to be fully modular. Nothing new. I do like the braided cable set. Was that a press/promo set or a retail unit? Just remembered that I don't need a PSU that powerful anymore. I'm currently trying to get rid of my EVGA SuperNova 1200 P2. Bought it back when I had 2 2080 Ti's and a Threadripper.
If they make a SFX version then I'm interested. A lot of Mini-ITX cases have the PSU on their side and crammed into small spaces that it would make them far more accessible. A SFX-L PSU might even be an option in some cases that usually are limited to SFX PSUs because they need space for the cables. And on the topic of integrated hubs, Mini-ITX boards are frequently short on extra ports like additional USB or ARGB ports so having a powered hub built into the PSU for both/either would make a ton of sense. Another idea would be a SATA port to plug in a water cooling pump so you don't need a whole cable coming off from one of the peripheral ports on the PSU. Honestly, my "perfect" Mini-ITX PSU would be with this sort of a layout with a small powered ARGB hub and a single SATA port directly in the PSU to plug my water cooling pump. I'd say include a USB hub but each hub is additional cost. Maybe if they were modular? So you buy the PSU without any integrated hubs and then you can buy a module that you can slot in if you need it?
I wonder who the PSU OEM is? It seems very small for the wattage, and my experience with Lianli QC is questionable at best (6 fans and 2 failed, unifan controller totally died in 13 months, and the Galahad had a recall - not a good run for me!). If the OEM is Seasonic though, I'd buy it. I wonder how the USB handles the electrical noise being so close to the PSU? Must have a lot shielding it from the PSU switching components...
Jay, what's up with you? You were one of the whistleblowers for the 12VHPWR connector issues, and now you can't even tell the difference between a 12VHPWR and a 12V-2x6 connector? And with all of the hardware you have on hand, you don't have a single dual-chamber case to properly demonstrate this PSU? I love ya man but this is my first thumbs down.
Oh yeah more headers especially ARGB and fan headers would save me a TON of headaches. Right now I have to run a fan header usually from a different maker than my lian li fans, and then I almost ALWAYS need an ARGB Splitter or even ARGB control box or hub that is usually not from the same places all the time and can be finicky to set up. Me just imagining the USB, Fan and ARGB headers ALL in my PSU makes me giddy to think how CLEAN that would be. It would be Epic. And yes Lian LI if you are reading I have all your stuff I run the lian li fans with that clip together and the O11 Dynamic and as much Lian li stuff as I can because your quality is perfect! If you made motherboards I would buy that too and GPU's. Cmon Lian Li lets do it! Give me your first one though you can let Jay play with it but then send it to me when he is done! lol
So, uh, I don't have a 216, but I do have a Liancool 2 mesh. I'm left confused why you were talking about taking the covers above out to make it easier to get to the power headers on the PSU. Does that mesh panel on the photogenic side of the case not have the ability to be removed or flipped down? That'd be real odd if it doesn't, and I struggle to see it being less hassle to go in from above than from the side, especially if you already have a GPU installed. That said, that is a really neat idea for a PSU. I'd almost want to see if there was a way for them to maybe instead of using it as just USB headers, instead just have it be a powered hub in it's own right (possibly via an S-shaped convereter plate that just plugs into the headers? Iunno, I'm spitballing stuff that might work here). I'd love to be able to have that internally instead of dealing with an external hub or having to deal with needing open PCIE slots or what have you to get access to more USB. I'm just kinda lucky I haven't needed much USB-C thus far. FTR: I use a fair number (currently 3) of external drive sleds as 'always connected' hotswappable media drives for stuff that doesn't need full SATA throughput to be reasonably responsive. You'd be surprised how much data can get eaten up when you are a general data hoarder, even before we get into preservation territory. I have a 2TB drive that is 3/4s filled with mods for just the STALKER games and Fallout 3/NV alone.
I like it. I'm getting a 011 XL anyway, so I think I'll give this a look when I get to Micro Center. I'm thinking I will slip a piece of white rubber pad I have laying around here, about 1/16th thick between the cables and the USB ports for shielding. Maybe not needed, but that just my ocd. Thanks Jay 🤗
Jay, don't judge me. But this PSU gave me a stiffy. I absolutely need this for my 4000D Airflow. Just gotta get the money now lol. Thanks for all of your awesome content. Crazy its been a year since the last RTFM. Seems like 4 weeks ago! Hope all is going well for you medically.
As much as I appreciate the integrated internal USB 2.0 hub, I would rather see PMBUS support either via a PMBUS header or having one of the USB headers carry the PMBUS signaling with a conversion cable. Hardware/firmware level monitoring/control of by far the most dangerous part of a computer without the need for buggy, resource hogging proprietary software (I’m looking at you Armory Link, iCue, and others) constantly running in the background seems like a very good thing to me and for multiple reasons.
I like that it is a good idea to make the power supply be the junction box for all the non essential items like USB and RGB lighting... I would add a water pump output that was 1-12 volts out adjustable by a pot on the side of the poser supply..... while we are at it... 12V high power is bullshit. we need to be feeding those GPUs with 28VDC. Everything I have see3n for 12V High Power is undersized. Time to go to 28V in the the next generation of power supplies.
I could use more education on how the PS USB hubs work Many motherboards have a 4-pin PCIE plug on them. Is one of the 8-pin connectors actually two 4-pins? They should toss in a cable with the 4-pin for motherboards next to the 8-pin CPU. plug. Power supplies have become more complicated but sometimes lag behind the motherboards.
Integrating USB hub makes so much sense... How has nobody thought about it?
Everybody thought about it, but nobody actually dare to implement it.
Why did mobo manufacturers drop the USB ports to begin with? My old Z370 had better internal I/O than my current B650
Lian-Li's solution is pretty slick though
@@sharedsailing4787 you are comparing a Z to a B series though... But yeah prices don't reflect the change. And even the number of ports on the back have gone down across the board. They just decided 6 to 8 was all we'll ever get.
Motherboards have gone seriously downhill for connectivity for the past few years. Those of us who need a non-gaming one almost have to get a Threadripper to get full USB, PCIe slots, and UART. I keep a Chinese X99 system just for these...
2:50 It is BECAUSE it is Platinum rated, THAT the power supply can be made that small. These only have to deal with 26W-52W-143W of heat at 20%-50%-100% load in the worst case, allowing for small heatsinks. Very efficient DC-DC circuitry and controllers for non-12V rails allow for neat and tidy packaging.
It's also because of the L shape it appears small. It really isn't if you add in the invisible space above the L shelf. That space that would otherwise be taken up by the headers on the rear is now that vacant space. The actual ps space taken is the same as a larger one.
There's a Titanium rated 1650W PSU from Thermaltake that's slightly smaller and also offers a 10 year warranty. Comes without an awkwardly placed USB hub and twice the price but whatever. There's a bunch of smaller and more efficient PSUs out there at a comparable or better price. Lian Li probably just high from huffing fan fumes.
Well yes, but actually no, 5/6 years ago I bought a dark power pro 11 1000w, it was big while being platinum rated. And now they are selling Straight power 11 1000w also plat rated, with a regular PSU size doing the same thing. Just technologic has advanced.
@@GottKrampfThis is one of the cheapest plat rated 1200w+ PSUs, and comes with a 10 year warranty.
What are you talking about?
@@hankwest5662 Now, 2 months after my initial comment, prices where different from now. By now, according to PCPP and therefore 'Merica only, both the 1300W Platinum ADATA XPG Cybercore 1 $169,99 & 2 $209,99 are still less expensive then the Lian Li L $229,99. Admittedly that's a bunch less then 2 months ago. In Germany as another example, according to Geizhals, there are still 4 both cheaper and smaller Platinum, 1300W+ PSUs available with the cheapest one being about 100€ less expensive. One of these is actually a 1500W PSU.
Both time and location play a crucial role, I used Jays in context of the video and mine, yours could be different but you gave no example so idk. The stuff I'm talking about is still valid and easily to check. Maybe do so yourself before going nekro on a months old comment or at least try to give context.
As time passes, it's good to see manufacturers adapting their products to what the general public asks for. This power supply is something I could have used 10 years ago when I was creating large servers and workstations, better late than never I say.
The general public doesnt create large servers and workstations tho 😅
@@vr0k3n You’ll be surprised how many “simple” pc builders were asked to build servers AND workstations but you are right that the majority don’t do that.
Nobody was asking for this.
This needs to be common practice. Smart thinking with Lian Li here, the person who came up with this idea deserves a heavy raise. It's genius because why the hell has nobody else thought to do this for us pc enthusiasts? Now they need to incorporate this into common build sizes and watch these things fly off the shelves! Thank you JTC for taking the time to show us this. Btw, PSUs aren't boring, they're fascinating bits of tech and annoyances at times for some of us. 😂😊❤
J: "3 PCIe-cables for older series GPUs"
7900xtx: Am I a joke to you?
Considering they're the only ones that don't melt your GPU, they're not going anywhere anytime soon.
my 4090 asus strix also
I had the exact same thought
@@S4m4_Weird I have the same one and only use one cord with it
Jay only speaks in nvidia unless he is doing a review
1:38
Obligatory "That's what she said"
😏 lol.
Was gonna make this comment
“When you get intimate with her the first time” lol
Same with @15:56
@@hirogodsend
But "that what HE said"
That Design is GENIUS... Well Played Lian-Li, Guaranteed other PSU Companies will Now "Adopt" that Design 🤣🤣🤣
And the consumers win.
Corsair did that years ago.
@@gutsbobbles7973 Trash implementation, you can't mount the psu on its side cause the cables wont fit.
This is a well known design in servers.
@@HKl1502 just use dual a chamber case.
1300w psu that small, what a time to be alive
think i have a 1200 watt corsair one that looks to be 2x the size of this one lol
@@AnotherLazybum No you don't, cause Corsair doesn't have 1200W in such an compact PSU. Their SF series are their smallest ones and they have just released their biggest at 1000W. Hence I think you're simply mistaken or trolling.
EDIT: Clearly misread and misunderstood here, my bad!
@@Dawelio bro he said his one is two times the size not half the size
@@DawelioRe-read again, he clearly stated that he had a Corsair psu that is almost 2 times bigger than this Lian Li ones. Probably referring to an AX1200I, that thing was long.
@@Dawelio typical looking so quickly to put another person down you misread his comment when he was agreeing with you, you are whats wrong with people nowadays the person was being non confrontational whatsoever even joking around a bit and someone somewhere has to get offended because they want to feel they're intellectually superior to someone else were literally all here to learn about pc parts just sit and watch
It's an amazing deal if they can manage to sell it at the advertised MSRP ($240), set of custom cables alone is ~$100.
i think they shouldve made the connector block detachable and have it reverseable so the power supply can be mountable the other way up.
Yeahhhh,would be cool but.... We had cards burning because people couldn't seat the plugs. Can you imagine how they will mess this up😂 we aren't ready as species for this.
That would probably be a nightmare for the engineers designing it. An extra point of failure and connection point (added resistance) right next to the main board, I'm thinking that would be dicey and boost the price a lot.
The connector block is a part of the main board. I remember them saying that they were trying to simplify the production by doing away with the normal daugterboard with the connections as on normal psu´s.
I think it would be easier to just make an inverted version. They definately need to do that though for the cases that are meant to have the PSU fan oriented to the bottom.
@@nekoghostgunner1129 They could probably make the connectors on the other side of the lip/board. They just can´t move the lip because of the board. Otherwise just buy a normal PSU.
i think the coolest part of this is how managable those cables are, the ones in my system take up so much space and are so inflexible
neat, just have to wait till they hit Newegg shelf. will work fine in my Corsair 7000x case.
Yes. This is a consumer focused PSU that manufactures need to see this as a shot across the bow. I need more USB accessibility because, as a student using a mid/high tier workstation for GIS and 3d processing, there is allot of USB divides I use just to do my classes. I have a USB flash drive to hold my documents, a backup of all my documents, a Wi-Fi device, mouse, keyboard, the occasional CD/DVD for monthly cold backups, and a backup separate to cold storage for offsite backups of classes that goes to my parents.
Then there is my messing around with AI Stable Diffusion that also has it's own backup and USB backups.
I need more USB 2.0 headers do coursework and hobbies. Lian-Li has had at least one sale to at least bridge the gap that I have this moment as a student. If they continue with it I will give them first dibs as a customer who has a niche trade and hobby.
Lian-Li, I am only one customer of probably several hundred thousands, but this is a product that I have needed. Thank you for solving my connectivity problems, and I hope that this is something that sells well enough that there are more.
5:50 the moment you realise he is not faking the reviews and that is legit his first time seeing it. Nice! +5 social score +10 respect.
On top of being odd and different, that form factor actually has a huge advantage in manufacturing because they can just extend the PCB under that section and surface mount the connectors. 1) I'm surprised it took so long to do that and 2) I expect lots of copy cats in the next few years.
L shape should be Lian-Li exclusive, the competitors follow their 'L' shape design almost advertise for Lian-Li.
@@yuan.pingchen3056 The last thing we need in this space is more proprietary designs. Let people copy cat good ideas.
@@yuan.pingchen3056 I think the usb hub will remain a Lian-Li exclusive but I don't see the shape will remain exclusive for very long. Most people will not know that Lian-Li did it first, sadly most will think it is cool and unique when EVGA, Thermaltake, or Cooler Master does it.
Dont worry about "copy cats", Lian Li will simply sue them, hahahahahaha
i really like the idea of having things integrated into the PSU.
I have to agree that fan and RGB hubs are a natural extension of this design. it's very pretty :)
But fans and RGB dont need a lot of power, USB-PD does (it can demand up to 240W, so taking that power directly from PSU makes sense).
Giving it an active fan hub is really smart tho .... you can just take signal with virtually no load from mobo and the PSU will deliver all the power you need without worying about overloadig mobo header. I mean theese days you can have case with 10 or even more fans and if you go custom water loop you can have sigle preset for entire loop.
Through all this, I'm genuinely amazed that Jay didn't have a conniption about installing a white PSU and white cables, into a black case.
Disregard the fact there was a white 4060 installed already, I really thought his OCD was gonna make him explode.
The addition of the USB hub is worth the price of admission alone. Bravo!
I dunno. People who buy PSUs like this generally but expensive boards which generally do not lack USB ports
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I'm personalizing it. I'm one of those people who buys expensive mobos (ASUS Maximus Z790 Hero) and I still like having more USB ports. But perhaps you are correct and the average premium mobo customer mayn't purchase it.
I think it's certainly nice to have in case it's needed, but I'd care much more for what Jay suggested, so fan connectors or (even better) ARGB connectors.
Why is a PSU handling input/output anyway? Even if motherboards are lacking in I/O I don't think it is the role of a PSU to solve that issue. The only justification I can see is if the power demands of modern USB devices are so high that you don't want to run it all through the motherboard. Otherwise it seems to me like a memory stick with an RGB header on it; even if the need is legitimate the component serving that need is out of its lane.
@@Phage0070 I couldn't agree more. This PSU is for suckers. Its like DLSS or Frame generation for I/O. An Ext powered usb hub is already better cable management with those pcie connectors intersecting each other.
It's probably because it is rated platinum that it is that small. Less heat to deal with and components can be assembled close together.
No doubt that's a big part of it, but I would imagine that GaN components and dc-dc step down converters are two of the biggest reasons for the diminutive size
In any case it's incredibly impressive how small modern PSUs are for the power they put out
Honestly, this is one of the most exciting products you have covered lately.. if I didn't already have an AX1600i, I'd be all over this. I love the repositioning of the plugs, as trying to plug in new power to a device in my present case is such a pain. The USB hub is great as well.. bring on all the hubs!!
Moo
15:55 "you can get 3 fingers in there, pretty easily"
That's what she said.
And then he gives the camera that look.
Love it! You hit the nail on the head, PSUs don't need the footprint the standard calls for. This gives the manufacturers license to add in other features. Lian Li is always thinking of ways to make their products stand out.
@JayzTwoCents like you mentioned :
- a 4-pin PWM fan hub
- an RGB lighting hub (ARGB + DRGB)
and maybe this :
- put a block of female USB Type A connectors on 1 side of the back of the PSU so that these are accessible from outside the PC case (in case your motherboard rear IO panel doesn't have a lot of them)
- cable management option to hide the cables coming off the PSU : add 1 extra (removable) "wall panel" that you can clip or slide on the cable connector panel and the front of the PSU, and have the option to clip/slide it either on the left or the right side depending how you install the PSU in the PC case upside down or normal (like with a PC case with a glass window you would be able to completely hide the cables coming off the PSU)
That's real nice.
Like the fan grill, mod plug and wire selection, the pre attached combs, the USB hub, the pcie custom plate, the size, power and efficiency... just well done. Bravo.
In the next iteration add a fan and rgb hub... only other things anyone could ask for.
This makes ALOT of sense... My thought is the cables coming off the PSU should be 90degrees, and yes... they should be longer. Will be purchasing one of these as soon as they hit the market. Pretty cool!
I've been wondering for a long time why there aren't more different options for power supply designs. I love the white aesthetic and the wires come with those comb thingies preinstalled for keeping your wires looking nice! I think I really like this PSU, but I'll bet it's out of my budget range.
I've actually got an extra USB header device (giving me 6 more usb headers) because my rig didn't have enough- that USB header idea is really great!
I'd LOVE to have RGB/Fan headers on a PSU- that's a really great idea, and it's got me thinking about more stuff now as well.
Lian Li could offer the option to order small, medium, or large cables that would ship with that PSU. Customers could purchase from any online or mom-and-pop retailer and have the PSU shipped directly to the consumer, leaving the return process with those retailers. They could have a guide on ordering the cables needed for their case and/or the direction they would run them. Your idea to have a PMW and/or RBGW controller would be super beneficial while allowing the option to use whichever software to run those controllers.
It's nice to see a PSU designed for dual chamber cases in mind, since there are so many of them out there these days. And the USB hub is a refreshing addition to see as well. There seems to never be enough USB ports on the main board. But AIO's and some RGB and fan hubs need them. Lian-Li has set the bar on this on IMO.
Regarding 06:44, there are some cards already and have been for a while, that use two of the 12VHpwr connectors, like f.e. the Galax HoF cards that are extreme OC focused. They first introduced that dual 12V connector with their 3090 Ti HoF OC Lab Edition, a LN2 focused card that had special unlocked OC Bioses available for it.
I would love to see the addition on the fan and RGB hubs as you suggested. Also since your adding a USB connection to the PSU anyway you could actually put a PWM and RGB controller in the PSU. You could also put the hardware in to allow software monitoring of the PSU.
If your building a dual chamber system based on the O11 concept and a LOT of people are, this PSU makes perfect sense.
Power supplies have good bit of competition. I'm hearing J having some. excitement about a power supply. If we have competition it's a good thing. monopoly bad.
8:26 Nice camera work.
JTC: "This might be one of the most inclusive power supplies I've ever experienced."
cam: Zooms out to a sea of cables.
I just don't get it why you rave so much about the usb.... to have the usb connectors in the psu makes the psu more expensive .. you may just as well get a usb hub for 10 bucks !!!! I really do not see what this psu would do for me that I can not do with regular psu's .... so for that once again a thumb down for me
This PSU is making me excited for my next build. Granted, next build won't be for another 2-4 years, but still.
Jay 12 V high power that goes to dual eight pins for people with older GPU. So you can still use the 12 V high-power for those GPU.
I must have this for my 011 dynamic XL. It's perfect for that case and probably the copy cats too!
The USB is just an added bonus I feel. This is such a brilliant design. Leave it to Lian Li to just break all computer conventionalism again
Never thought I'd be able to say "I want that PSU!" until now. That will absolutely be my next one. This PSU design coupled with BTF components would make a ridiculously clean build. I would love to see you do a BTF-based, custom loop build using this PSU to see how clean you can get it.
The reason they include 2 types of the 12vhpwr cable is I believe to accommodate for the type of cards that require 3 pcie power cables. Its meant to be 1 or the other, not both. My msi 1000w psu also included the same 2 cables and menthions that.
I think it’s just that 6+2 headers are more useful and can cover a lot more pcie devices than just having two pcie 5 headers
Oh, it actually was released as specific to an 011D and dual chamber cases, there was a lot of information in February but it doesn't look like it's available for release through retailers yet. I hope everyone sees that the Edge models also have forward facing connections before they order them.
Interesting. But for my opinion. The power supply should do just the power supply.
10:11 That particular case's (Lancool 216) bottom mesh panel is removable. There's a single screw at the back and you slide the panel towards the rear to remove it.
Can my PSU do this??? Can Jay do a vid without say'n I digress?
It is one of his phrases for Jayztwobingo
This is likely to be a Helly Tech core for those wondering. They are a lesser known OEM that used to be trash but in recent years have started producing decent quality stuff (not quite teir 1) for decent prices. If you want to look at reviews, look for 1st Player (their retail brand) - several of their recent platinum models have had solid if unexciting reviews - they tend to use slightly cheaper fets and fans to keep price down, but still look like good reliable units with all the stuff you would expect in a decent brand. (LLC, nippon chemi-con caps etc)
Add a power draw meter so you know if you still have headroom.
Highlight 15:55
I'd love the idea of consolidating all the hubs into the PSU. Consolidating some of the case IO cables there and developing one standard cable could all be a neat way of making motherboards I bit less of a mess.
all nice, yes, but what about pricing ?
Seems more gimmicky than useful tbh
damn you sold me, it would work so well in my y70 build
This is actually really clever. I'd have to imagine it's easier for trace routing too since you don't have to have separate PCBs for the power supply itself and the connectors
Been using lian li everything since 2020, literally the best products I've ever purchased for PC components.
Good on Lian Li for forcing users with cases that have PSU shrouds to use the good orientation for PSUs... fan up!
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PSU's are usually not fun unless GN is blowing them up 😂😂, however this PSU is incredible, seems they thought of most things. I might need to upgrade both my PSU's now. Well done, LIAN LI!
i agree with the fan and rgb plugs
what's wrong with y'all's cases that you need this...?
I have an 011D Evo, if I want to remove connectors closest to the center, I have to pull the PSU, or get extremely annoyed with busting my knuckles.
It's popular in a lot of MATX and ITX cases to mount the power supply against the front wall of the case with the fan facing outward. Because the fan and cable ports face the same way on this PSU, all of your cables would run toward the front and have to turn around. Probably not a big deal though, unless the cables can't tolerate the bend radius. Just thinking through my keyboard.
I bought a NZXT Internal USB 2.0 Gen3 hub and it gives 3 extra ports (4th for lead) which has been working perfectly fine the past nearly 2 years on the ROG Maximus Z790 Extreme.
I have to connect
- Corsair H170i (with own Y-splitter direct on mobo)
- Corsair AX1200i link interface
- CM HAF 700 EVO LCD display
- CM HAF 700 EVO ARGB controller
Aside of that, I have a feeling these irregular designs won't really see much liftoff, realistically 99% of the cases are built for traditional design and many will not change a case quickly if it still suffices, unless you want newer USB-C connectors and such on the front I/O.
I'm still waiting for the day Corsair finally announces a Corsair AX1800i with ATX 3.1 and atleast TWO native 12VHPWR connectors so you can easily get sleeved cables without all the adapters.
Corsair is being... very silent. For now my 10 year old AX1200i is still working perfectly but I want a better solution once the RTX 5000 series arrive, case manufacturers better hurry with PCI-E 5.0 risers as well.
Smart idea also in black aswell
i have never been this early in a video in my entire life
Just pulled the trigger on the cooler master XG750w, for some USB and LCD goodness (hopfully). Donating my CV550-F rgb to my other half & treating her to a 4060 ti to replace the 1660, which might lead to a full upgrade✌😢.
that would fit perfect in my TT AH T600.. but would probably need longer EPS cables.
Oh about things like fan hubs on these things, look, the idea is nice, but knowing from experience that manufacturers software sometimes behaving very erratic (Corsair iCUE, causing a lot of conflicts, loss of sensors etc) or being almost straight malware (Asus Armory Crate) I don't think we want to rely on having to go through PSU-manufacturers software in order to steer the fans based on temperatures of the system.
The bios can handle this way more error-free, and no, FanControl is not perfect as for example it cannot control EVGA iCX GPUs nor Corsair AIO fans/pump that aren't connected to the mobo plus it uses a WinRing0.sys driver that is exploitable on kernel level leaving your system fully at risk while the software is active.
I'll stick with my more traditional but fool-proof methods including a case that has overkill airflow by default.
Also individual hubs are easier to come by and take lesser effort to replace instead of having to redo all your cables because the PSU was a dud. That's almost like asking Intel and AMD to introduce BGA-soldered sockets for our DIY projects, motherboard dead? tough luck say goodbye to the CPU kinda deal.
Got one a couple months ago. So much NICER having all the extra usb connectors when dealing with all the dumb rgb shit. The price is very reasonable Paid $140 for the 850w Worth it just for saving all the hassle. The cables with the 4 sata all in a row AWESOME for the controllers.
Why Jayz always referring to GPU cards when current 7900XTX and 7900XT uses 3 connectors?. My "old" 6800XT and 6900XT also uses 3 connectors.
This is the reason why I´ll never dodge Lian Li even tho it´s more expensive. You know these guys care about their customers because they freaking listen and always go for the innovation. I´ll never regret paying premium prices for Lian Li because they do a great job.
They can read my mind. My mobo has only 1 USB connector and I was about to spend 30 bucks on 2 adapter cables but from a chinese brand I don´t even know... I just hope they have a 850W or maybe 1000W version of this.
Power supplies are something that's not discussed enough IMO. They don't get any shine from the Big Toobers unless they're self destructing on screen (no names will be given to protect the... guilty!) or the company is wrapped in some sort of controversy. And I know most Big Toobers has covered PSU matching a time or two BUT system components and their power requirements change in a matter of months the 4-5 year old PSU video isn't very useful anymore. Just my 2¢. You see what I did there? 😎
Nothing boring about this one, Jay keep it up!
"... if you're running an 'older' video card..." because Intel and AMD don't exist in the world. From the channel that rails against 12VHP...
Jay, talk to video card companies about getting the power inputs on the other side of the card to help hide the cables. I agree, placement would be a challenge, but being able to plug in on the back side would be nice.
My idea would be to integrate off one of the USB ports... a controller which has an internal ARGB controller with 2 or 3 independent ARGB ports and fan controller, which just shows up off the USB port, so they show up in the system as more ports... which can be used by any software.
With the ARGB running the power straight from the PSU, no issues with the power needs.
Fan controllers, have a pump port controlled by one of the PCIe or new GPU connector, so it spins up the pump and fans as the GPU starts pulling more power and scales down as it reduces the power draw...
Power supplies should look like a huse Dash board to a race car .
That monitor Temps to all devices Cpu /GPU/MB hub
A fan control hub and fan software with advanced settings for fans.
If they can plug into every piece that can sense its temperature.
Monitoring devices are keys to help you find out what's going on with your systems. Just like knowing when programs jump on and jump off your temperatures, start rising. Start lowering.
It would be nice if it was another way to keep a mother board in check..
Kind of like the psu has its own Bios you can go into and see what's going on with all your stuff..
We just a mother board that plugs into everything.
Now the power supply also touches all the same stuff give the psu the same thing that Corsair air uses on their nice PSUs
That's smart ...
I agree the PSU should have the fan headers and fan control .
I don't believe in running fans off my mother board..
I only like using the motherboard header because it actually monitors my fan speed. It has all that good control. So if you would put that good control into a PSU like how the Corsair actually has an app that will tell me how hot my SSD is running. I like that the power should be in control of temperatures of everything in your system and at the same time all the fans that can cool your system. Your fan shouldn't be running off your motherboard because that's just power running from the PSU straight through your motherboard straight to your fan. It should be like a car where we now use relays in cars so we have the main load under the hood and we have just the control switches behind the dash. It's not all the main power so you don't have like in the olden days. How when you turn your headlights on on the car, all that power is going through your headlight switch and eventually the headlight switch will just melt..
Whatever you get the idea..
The motherboard should be controlling smart devices .. not fans..
PSUs are using monitoring software..
I like motherboards that have a lot of monitoring gadgets and widgets.
But it's nice to have other sources to cross reference with.
And to take some of that no important workload off the motherboard because now I mean I have a 850w PSU and I'm getting ready to build a nice 2025 PC. And I'm starting to think I need at least a 1200 to a 1600 watt PSU I build car audio when I put an amp in a car. I want the amp to be twice. The size that the subs will need. I'll dial the amp back this way. Everything runs nice and cool. I build my PC's the same way. I put all the biggest best components in there that can run the best and I make the power supply twice of what I need this way the PSUs never really gets hot..
And the PSU never has to use its tan to cool itself..
Cause your case has enough cooling to force extra air through the PSU..
Heat is also the #1 killer in car audio.
And It doesn't just kill performance. .it will smoke your sound system.
Cause whatever causes your heat ... Will be the starting point of the Domino effect
My only disappointment is that the USB hub only has USB 2 support, not USB 3, or whatever we're supposed to call it now. (Also doesn't help that USB 3 has 2 different types of headers(and the USB C internal header apparently has 2 different versions too))
There are a lot of people that think "out of the ordinary" but most people reject, bully, exclude, and mistreat them. If you're wondering what I'm talking about, I am talking about autism. I can tell you from experience, its true and it makes most of us depressed. There would probably be a lot more "out of the ordinary thinking" products if we weren't rejected and depressed. I just wanted to say it because I think its one of the reasons why these types of products aren't common. I wouldn't be surprised if an autistic person designed this PSU.
Plugging cables into my PSU in my 5000D is the bane of my life. I use a Corsair 1200i (the one from the iCue Link days) and I have to basically remove it to get the cables plugged in and take them out.
You know, saying most people install it facing down, alot of everyone still likes to have it help pull air through the case, as well in the grand scheme of things, it's still a very very new thing to have the PSU pulling air from outside the case instead of the inside. Also remember the old Gateway ( and other OEMs) machines that used the PSU fan ( pulling air in through the PSU in some cases) to also cool the CPU
Hope its better then their 750 SFX that i had to send for RMA 3 times before getting my money back :P AND GETTING AN 750w SFX EVGAaaaaaaa :P
My motherboard has 2 x usb-C 2x2, 2 TB4, 7 x usb-a 3.2, and 8 onboard usb connectors. just like everyone who can afford this PSU does not have a 120$ motherboard...
Not to mention the USB on this PSU is only 2.0... prize is not to bad at $229.99 :P
Interest video, Jay. I wanted to check out the PS on Amazon, but when I click the Amazon (US) link, it only takes me to the Amazon home page and not to the specific product? Am I the only one who is having this problem?
Seasonic has a cool one with a power dongle, very handy.
I wouldn't want to use the Lian-Li Edge PSU in water cooled builds. If it leaked into those connectors, rip. Depends on the components/case of course.
Fuck PSU Makers for not having the pin layout standardized.
THE COMPONENT SIDE(Board/GPU/Drive) is standardized, but don't you dare try and use the same cable between corsair and cooler master for example.
At best it won't work. At worst you have destroyed your system . .
What’s the measurement for shorter length side of the PSU? It’s officially 182x86x150. Some of smaller itx cases accept ATX but have tight length requirements. Usually 150 or 160mm. I bought a 160mm to find out is was only compatible with motherboards with the second slot for the GPU. An example case is the SAMA 01.
A lot of this I like.
Suggestion for PSU manufacturers: sell 2 or 3 different sizes so we can buy it with the Sml, Med, or Large length cable sets. Or comes in 2 boxes, buy the PSU & cable set separately, buy more PCIe/CPU/SATA/Molex separately to suit needs. A USB header to USB hub w RGB/fan control could be it's own little box not just integrated with PSU.
Who wants to see a bar graph/ RGB by the PSU indicating the recent peak power & longer average like sound level on an audio mixers?
I have recently bought a MSI MEG Ai1300P PCIE5 because it's my first platinum one, it is ATX 3.0 ready (Which I'm still confused about it being able to work with the new 3.1 standard) but most importantly it has a USB B connector that goes directly into the 2.0 header or a USB A slot to report power draw directly to the PC and in the MSI Center app on the PC it also tracks efficiency AND KWH usage, which can be very interesting if you like tracking the energy usage of your PC.
ARGB headers...USB headers...fan headers...PSU manufacturers - listen up - that would be freakin' AWESOME. I *hate* trying to manage all that! Just make it easy and I'm in.
7:13 The first time i've ever seen that multi-drive connector was in a Thermaltake Lv. 10 GT. I don't know why more companies didn't utilize something like that in the future.
Great idea. But I doubt they're going to bring it to lower wattage power supplies that most of us use, and that's a pity. Using the (often maligned) Steam hardware survey that indicates that most gamers have 200-250 W GPUs and 200 W CPUs at max, and using about 1.5x multiplier, 800W or probably serves a majority of users. I'd pay extra over a standard 750-850 PSU to get this. I won't pay the premium to get a 1300W PSU just for this feature.
I don't want dumb USB connectors that just provide power. Most of the USB devices need drivers to work. I guess I want my PSU to just provide reliable power and it has to be fully modular. Nothing new.
I do like the braided cable set. Was that a press/promo set or a retail unit?
Just remembered that I don't need a PSU that powerful anymore. I'm currently trying to get rid of my EVGA SuperNova 1200 P2. Bought it back when I had 2 2080 Ti's and a Threadripper.
If they make a SFX version then I'm interested. A lot of Mini-ITX cases have the PSU on their side and crammed into small spaces that it would make them far more accessible. A SFX-L PSU might even be an option in some cases that usually are limited to SFX PSUs because they need space for the cables.
And on the topic of integrated hubs, Mini-ITX boards are frequently short on extra ports like additional USB or ARGB ports so having a powered hub built into the PSU for both/either would make a ton of sense. Another idea would be a SATA port to plug in a water cooling pump so you don't need a whole cable coming off from one of the peripheral ports on the PSU.
Honestly, my "perfect" Mini-ITX PSU would be with this sort of a layout with a small powered ARGB hub and a single SATA port directly in the PSU to plug my water cooling pump. I'd say include a USB hub but each hub is additional cost. Maybe if they were modular? So you buy the PSU without any integrated hubs and then you can buy a module that you can slot in if you need it?
I wonder who the PSU OEM is? It seems very small for the wattage, and my experience with Lianli QC is questionable at best (6 fans and 2 failed, unifan controller totally died in 13 months, and the Galahad had a recall - not a good run for me!). If the OEM is Seasonic though, I'd buy it. I wonder how the USB handles the electrical noise being so close to the PSU? Must have a lot shielding it from the PSU switching components...
Jay, what's up with you? You were one of the whistleblowers for the 12VHPWR connector issues, and now you can't even tell the difference between a 12VHPWR and a 12V-2x6 connector?
And with all of the hardware you have on hand, you don't have a single dual-chamber case to properly demonstrate this PSU?
I love ya man but this is my first thumbs down.
Oh yeah more headers especially ARGB and fan headers would save me a TON of headaches. Right now I have to run a fan header usually from a different maker than my lian li fans, and then I almost ALWAYS need an ARGB Splitter or even ARGB control box or hub that is usually not from the same places all the time and can be finicky to set up. Me just imagining the USB, Fan and ARGB headers ALL in my PSU makes me giddy to think how CLEAN that would be. It would be Epic. And yes Lian LI if you are reading I have all your stuff I run the lian li fans with that clip together and the O11 Dynamic and as much Lian li stuff as I can because your quality is perfect! If you made motherboards I would buy that too and GPU's. Cmon Lian Li lets do it! Give me your first one though you can let Jay play with it but then send it to me when he is done! lol
So, uh, I don't have a 216, but I do have a Liancool 2 mesh. I'm left confused why you were talking about taking the covers above out to make it easier to get to the power headers on the PSU. Does that mesh panel on the photogenic side of the case not have the ability to be removed or flipped down? That'd be real odd if it doesn't, and I struggle to see it being less hassle to go in from above than from the side, especially if you already have a GPU installed.
That said, that is a really neat idea for a PSU. I'd almost want to see if there was a way for them to maybe instead of using it as just USB headers, instead just have it be a powered hub in it's own right (possibly via an S-shaped convereter plate that just plugs into the headers? Iunno, I'm spitballing stuff that might work here). I'd love to be able to have that internally instead of dealing with an external hub or having to deal with needing open PCIE slots or what have you to get access to more USB. I'm just kinda lucky I haven't needed much USB-C thus far.
FTR: I use a fair number (currently 3) of external drive sleds as 'always connected' hotswappable media drives for stuff that doesn't need full SATA throughput to be reasonably responsive. You'd be surprised how much data can get eaten up when you are a general data hoarder, even before we get into preservation territory. I have a 2TB drive that is 3/4s filled with mods for just the STALKER games and Fallout 3/NV alone.
I like it. I'm getting a 011 XL anyway, so I think I'll give this a look when I get to Micro Center. I'm thinking I will slip a piece of white rubber pad I have laying around here, about 1/16th thick between the cables and the USB ports for shielding. Maybe not needed, but that just my ocd. Thanks Jay 🤗
Jay, don't judge me. But this PSU gave me a stiffy. I absolutely need this for my 4000D Airflow. Just gotta get the money now lol. Thanks for all of your awesome content. Crazy its been a year since the last RTFM. Seems like 4 weeks ago! Hope all is going well for you medically.
As much as I appreciate the integrated internal USB 2.0 hub, I would rather see PMBUS support either via a PMBUS header or having one of the USB headers carry the PMBUS signaling with a conversion cable. Hardware/firmware level monitoring/control of by far the most dangerous part of a computer without the need for buggy, resource hogging proprietary software (I’m looking at you Armory Link, iCue, and others) constantly running in the background seems like a very good thing to me and for multiple reasons.
I like that it is a good idea to make the power supply be the junction box for all the non essential items like USB and RGB lighting...
I would add a water pump output that was 1-12 volts out adjustable by a pot on the side of the poser supply.....
while we are at it...
12V high power is bullshit.
we need to be feeding those GPUs with 28VDC.
Everything I have see3n for 12V High Power is undersized.
Time to go to 28V in the the next generation of power supplies.
I could use more education on how the PS USB hubs work
Many motherboards have a 4-pin PCIE plug on them. Is one of the 8-pin connectors actually two 4-pins? They should toss in a cable with the 4-pin for motherboards next to the 8-pin CPU. plug. Power supplies have become more complicated but sometimes lag behind the motherboards.