How to Make a Perfect Villain.

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  • @johnkendall4570
    @johnkendall4570 Рік тому +1008

    Bro just dropped the hardest Micah edit and thought we wouldnt notice.

  • @LiterallyRyan_Gosling
    @LiterallyRyan_Gosling Рік тому +768

    Micah wasn't the only one to blame for the gang falling apart. Times were changing anyway, and like Arthur said, "Maybe we don't need a rat. Maybe we're just getting sloppy.".

    • @krypticunlimited6925
      @krypticunlimited6925 Рік тому +100

      part of me actually feels like the story would have been even better if there never was a rat. Think of the scenario: the whole game leads the player to think that the gang is falling apart because of a rat, but at the end of it all, it turns out there never was one, and it was simply Dutch's increasing recklessness and greed that was driving them into the ground, nothing else.
      It would have been a great twist that further enforces how far Dutch fell into insanity and how it destroyed everyone around him. It also would have left room for Micah to be an even more interesting character. Though he was ruthless he was actually pretty funny in the earlier chapters, and if they had fleshed him out more he could have had like a "dislike but begrudging respect" kind of dynamic with Arthur by the end of the game. With the way that him, Dutch, and Arthur were the first characters ever introduced it seemed like Rockstar had other plans for him, but instead he ends up getting watered down into the flat, simple "evil and nothing but evil" character, which was most likely because they wanted to have a great final revenege kill for the player to have as John. Dont get me wrong, Micah as a villain and getting to kill him was awesome, but I do think his character and Dutch's fall had more potential

    • @matthewlacey4198
      @matthewlacey4198 Рік тому +16

      ​@@krypticunlimited6925that's really fucking good, on my replay, I started to kinda begrudgingly like Micah in the early chapters, and I love your idea of never having a rat in the gang
      I mean, there's still room for that theory, all we've got is Milton's word that Micah was a rat, and I don't see how Micah would've seen any benefits to being a rat for Milton, I'd argue it was Milton manipulating the gang and forcing them to split, as Dutch said in chapter 2 after Arthur finds the Pinkertons "they're just waiting for us to do something stupid"
      But Micah being a rat fits with the theories about his hat colour, he's the only one in the gang who wears a white hat, which in the Westerns of the 20s through to the 40s denoted the "good guy", so Micah being a rat, and the good guy could kinda work, like he's a guy who made bad choices, rode with the gang, then turned informant and split up a dangerous gang of outlaws

    • @maciekGTR
      @maciekGTR Рік тому +5

      ​@@matthewlacey4198I always thought that Micah was pretty badly written and nothing more but a piece of sh!t, but on my 3rd playthrough I realized how terrible the gang truly is and that you play as the bad guys. Micah, even though his motivations are what they are, does the good thing with cooperating with the law and in the end a group of the lowest people in society die, rot in jail or have to be a nobody till the end of their life

    • @krypticunlimited6925
      @krypticunlimited6925 Рік тому +8

      @@maciekGTR Here's the thing though, Micah only did that out of self interest, not out of a desire to rid the world of low down criminals. Additionally, Micah was more of a murdering lowlife than any other gang member before and after being a rat. After the gang split up he proceeded to start another one 10 times as big and ruthless, and judging by the fact that he kills(and implicity rapes) a little girl in the epilogue, I dont think he was very concerned with bettering the world.
      That and the fact that Dutch's gang actually had a set of ideals and boundaries that they followed until the end. They also housed women and a child, which is whats separates them from others like the ODriscolls

    • @krypticunlimited6925
      @krypticunlimited6925 Рік тому +1

      @@matthewlacey4198 I remember seeing a comment somewhere that described that alternate character arc for Micah and said "imagine if the game ended with Arthur and Micah working together to protect John from Dutch."
      I dont know why but that ending is just so awesome to me. The idea of a wretched character like Micah seeing the error of his ways, realizing what he's done to Dutch and the gang, and choosing to help Arthur in his final mission, leading to that dislike but relunctant respect between the two just seems like a super awesome arc. I imagine it would ultimately end with Arthur dying and Micah either dying before him or going to prison, saying something along the lines of "I never did like you, blacklung, but you got real guts" type of thing before going. Its not a redemption or anything, just something to make his character more interesting and somewhat layered. Idk its just a fanfic that I really liked induldging in

  • @haventfoundanameyet
    @haventfoundanameyet Рік тому +405

    The hypocrisy of Dutch between his views in red dead 1 vs his views in red dead 2 were crazy to me, it made me appreciate the writing much more

    • @knightmare_edits
      @knightmare_edits Рік тому +27

      His views changed significantly after the trolley job.

    • @darlingxluxii7977
      @darlingxluxii7977 Рік тому +7

      @@knightmare_editsyeah but he has been crazy from the start

    • @darlingxluxii7977
      @darlingxluxii7977 Рік тому

      @@knightmare_editsbtw your edits are epic ❤❤❤

    • @NikkolasKing
      @NikkolasKing Рік тому +7

      I mean, he is explicitly insane in the first game, from John's own dialogue and from just listening to anything he says.

    • @trevorwalsh9443
      @trevorwalsh9443 Рік тому +2

      Theirs no such thing as somebody not a hypocrite and that’s 100 percent facts.

  • @Elgallo1107
    @Elgallo1107 Рік тому +411

    I’m so happy I got to experience rdr2 with absolutely no previous knowledge of rdr1 I honestly liked Dutch in the beginning and I got to see him going crazy and the gang fall apart without without knowing it was going to happen

    • @finncinjaere6293
      @finncinjaere6293 Рік тому +14

      Yea same here I still like him ngl

    • @michaelw6277
      @michaelw6277 Рік тому +4

      Man it had been so many years since I had played RDR1 that I completely forgot that Dutch was in it.

    • @RonnieMcnuttGaming42O
      @RonnieMcnuttGaming42O Рік тому +1

      Same here played the game with no knowledge of the first when I finished rdr2 immediately started rdr1

    • @nicocuyano10
      @nicocuyano10 Рік тому

      Same here! I don't have a PS so I only played RDR2. I hope they make the remake of RDR1!

    • @Elgallo1107
      @Elgallo1107 Рік тому +1

      @@nicocuyano10 I heard they are remastering it so most likely. Been waiting for the remaster to play it

  • @TheLuckster
    @TheLuckster Рік тому +229

    By the end of RDR2, I never personally viewed Dutch as a villain, I was disappointed by his choices and decisions but I never really hated him or anything like that

    • @onemoreminute0543
      @onemoreminute0543 Рік тому +36

      Same. He's such a conflicting character as you can actually understand his perspective and reasons, and see him wrestle with certain decisions. It's phenomenal writing.

    • @knightmare_edits
      @knightmare_edits Рік тому +16

      Plus, it was mainly the trolley job that made him insane. Most of his "evil" behavior in RDR2 Ch. 6 and RDR1 is due to his deteriorating brain condition, a factor that he can't control.

    • @TheLuckster
      @TheLuckster Рік тому +1

      @@knightmare_edits I agree with that

    • @NikkolasKing
      @NikkolasKing Рік тому +27

      My second run of the game convinced me the idea Chapter 6 is "Good Arthur vs. Evil Dutch" is so mistaken. Everyone in the gang, including Dutch, is so miserable, so scared, and they're just trying to do what they think will keep the gang alive. The only person who isn't a mess of nerves and pain is Micah, because he's the one person who explicitly feels nothing for anyone. Honestly, Dutch would have fared "better" if he was as callous and evil as Micah.
      It was precisely the enormity of his failures and the fact that he cared about them which rocked him so badly when he heard Arthur's words, when he told John he had nothing more to say, and finally when he just killed himself because of those failures. People can hate Dutch but the way these scenes are written is clearly supposed to be emotional and tragic, not "this evil bastard was brought down at last" like with Micah.

    • @ladypeahen8829
      @ladypeahen8829 Рік тому +7

      ​@@NikkolasKing I wish I could give more "likes" to your comment. I agree in every way. He CARE about the gang. Yes, he fails miserably, became insane, and hurts everyone around. I understand him, I pity him but I also never forgive him.

  • @Richard-iw1dd
    @Richard-iw1dd Рік тому +191

    Even at the end, I could never bring myself to hate Dutch. Rather when he leaves Arthur I get this profound sense of sadness instead.

    • @Felix-on9dr
      @Felix-on9dr Рік тому +3

      Yeah in the end you can see that he truly cared about arthur.

    • @suave9184
      @suave9184 Рік тому +4

      @@Felix-on9drMore like he realized that he’s a coward

    • @Felix-on9dr
      @Felix-on9dr Рік тому +1

      @@suave9184 he realized that he was wrong Micah was the rat Arthur was right

    • @suave9184
      @suave9184 Рік тому +9

      @@Felix-on9dr And yet he didn’t kill micah until how many years later? Dutch realized he did wrong and couldn’t even bring himself to apologize to his dying son. Instead he just walked away like a coward.

    • @Felix-on9dr
      @Felix-on9dr Рік тому

      @@suave9184 true

  • @michaelw6277
    @michaelw6277 Рік тому +47

    I don’t feel like Hosea was the only person who questioned Dutch… I feel like Hosea was the only person who Dutch respected enough to listen to. Maybe Dutch had some sort off parent/child dynamic in his head with Arthur and John and was too proud to accept that maybe his “kids” had a point at times, but they both had voiced a variety of concerns to Dutch only to be ignored as lacking faith or whatever like he was a cult leader.

    • @marko9695
      @marko9695 Рік тому +1

      To be honest Dutch started doubting Hosea as well near the end of chapter 4. Spoilers but, Hosea is against going after Bronte, and Dutch calls him weak behind his back. He tells Arthur that Hosea's losing his spine or something among those lines. He's way too delusional and hot tempered to listen to anybody, even Hosea

  • @mzoli95
    @mzoli95 Рік тому +68

    In the first red dead game it's sad to see Dutch as a Villain, but this connection between rdr 1 and 2 is still impressive, you understand everything as you go further

    • @ooooothatsshit158
      @ooooothatsshit158 Рік тому

      Wait he was in revolver?

    • @mzoli95
      @mzoli95 Рік тому +1

      @@ooooothatsshit158 I meant the red dead 1 and red dead 2 game, He's not in the revolver as I know

    • @ooooothatsshit158
      @ooooothatsshit158 Рік тому +1

      @@mzoli95 oh darn i got hyped alr lol

  • @darlingxluxii7977
    @darlingxluxii7977 Рік тому +30

    I do like how in rdr1 when he dies, you do feel somewhat sorry for him because you know this was the life he grew up and known plus learnt. He was already wanted man and was too late for him to change for the better.

    • @zorroblings6886
      @zorroblings6886 Рік тому +1

      If you can’t be good might as well be bad.

    • @darlingxluxii7977
      @darlingxluxii7977 Рік тому

      @@zorroblings6886 yeah but I believe he was bad from the start 😭

  • @AshAnimatesowo
    @AshAnimatesowo Рік тому +3

    The Micah edit was amazing, 10/10 did not expect that, I was looking at stuff and lisenting to this thinking my spotify started playing then I check the tab and saw what was actually going on. Amazing surprise lol.

  • @krypticunlimited6925
    @krypticunlimited6925 Рік тому +7

    Another aspect of a perfect villain is that the challenges and problems they cause help the protagonist to grow and develop in ways they never would have otherwise. Given the dynamic between Dutch and Arthur, and how basically everything that Arthur does can be directly tied to Dutch, I'd say Dutch's character more than accomplishes that

  • @Shadow-Company-Operator
    @Shadow-Company-Operator Рік тому +41

    I love your indept analysis on Dutch, I hope you post more videos like this. Best channel I've subscribed to.

  • @heids2440
    @heids2440 Рік тому +18

    this is an amazing video essay. you deserve many more subscribers

    • @ImTwxn
      @ImTwxn  Рік тому +1

      Thank you bro means a lot!

  • @onemoreminute0543
    @onemoreminute0543 Рік тому +98

    Dutch kind of reminds me of Walter White in regards to the debate surrounding the growing immorality of his actions.
    Was he someone who gradually became more corrupted due to his experiences during the main story? Or did those experiences instead just reveal who he really was the whole time?

    • @FrenchToast626
      @FrenchToast626 Рік тому +3

      i want to believe and really hope it's the first option for both characters

    • @Some_guy-on-the-internet
      @Some_guy-on-the-internet Рік тому +3

      (I’m going to copy another comment that I agree) with and say it’s more of an ego thing each robbery that fails Dutch needs the next to be twice as big, until it gets to an unimaginable amount (which it does) and he his sons see through his actions, Micah just is always there for Dutch, he pulled the strings of dutch’s ego. Also if he’s really like Walter white then yeah Dutch is just being his true self.
      Edit: here’s another fact if you go back for the money in the ending,the chest has 42000 that’s around 1.5 million, so yeah you could’ve been to Tahiti but Dutch loves being in charge and being a criminal, he just got sloppy.

    • @knightmare_edits
      @knightmare_edits Рік тому +3

      He became more damaged as time went on. The stress of running a gang, the fear of possible execution by hanging, manipulation from Micah, and let's not forget, the trolley incident, all made him into the maniac we know in RDR1.

    • @Some_guy-on-the-internet
      @Some_guy-on-the-internet Рік тому +1

      @@knightmare_edits not really Dutch had 42000 in his chest that’s more than enough to get to Tahiti and he had that money for awhile he didn’t give a shit about the gang only himself

    • @NikkolasKing
      @NikkolasKing Рік тому +1

      @@Some_guy-on-the-internet We know how much money the gang has from Arthur's journal. The gang at the end of Chapter 4 had a little under $15,000 i.imgur.com/7ktbVLO.jpg
      Most of the money in the chest is from the train robbery that takes place immediately before the end of the game.
      Also Arthur himself says at the start of Chapter 6 in "Just A Social Call" that the gang needs more money.

  • @artemis_liz7096
    @artemis_liz7096 Рік тому +1

    Great video, man ! He was just also such a profoundly good character because I felt such a punch in the heart when Dutch left Arthur for dead or lied about John’s death. You always rolled your eyes at the TV when he mentioned “having a plan” or “one last big score” but when he stooped that low, it made me well up a bit because not only was Arthur nearing the end but Dutch (the sort of rock in the gang) now finally reached it.

  • @diosbois3911
    @diosbois3911 Рік тому +10

    This video was so good that he even included an decent edit half way through while explaining why someone was manipulative

  • @vivalavalentina
    @vivalavalentina Рік тому +12

    Dutch's gaslighting was so effective he managed to gaslight the RDR2 fanbase into thinking he went crazy

    • @krypticunlimited6925
      @krypticunlimited6925 Рік тому +3

      Dutch's brain damage in the trolley and Hosea's death were the things that sped up his downfall, but in the end it was his never ending greed and ego that he hid behind a wall of charisma that led to the suffering of so many

    • @justice_of_Youtube
      @justice_of_Youtube Рік тому

      Learn what gaslighting is kid

  • @Harry_Ballsac
    @Harry_Ballsac Рік тому +1

    These edits go hard

  • @Snook_YT
    @Snook_YT Рік тому +1

    Awesome video man, hope to see more in the future

  • @JaxxMCC
    @JaxxMCC Рік тому +3

    "To make a perfect villain you must make them likable"
    That one's so true. Think of Joker from Batman, so many people relate to him even though he is a terrible person, and that alongside Dutch exemplifies the need to make characters grey in media in order to have an impact, a perfect villain, protagonist, you name it, has to be human in terms of their character, flaws and strengths

  • @justaayan2
    @justaayan2 Рік тому +2

    Damn i didnt realize you only had 1k subs, you need more the quality of this video is great

  • @bogachandal7391
    @bogachandal7391 Рік тому +5

    Normaly ı never watch a anything but shorts . But this video is amazing

  • @Smaoltic26
    @Smaoltic26 Рік тому +35

    Micah wasn’t exactly responsible for the downfall of the gang on his own. The gang’s end began immediately after the blackwater massacre. The law was becoming more prominent. The holes in Dutch’s ideals were beginning to show. So yeah the gang would’ve eventually fallen apart even without Micah. Micah was like a catalyst, but he did lead to many gang members dying

    • @gaboogarciaav
      @gaboogarciaav Рік тому +12

      Don't forget the blackwater massacre was Micah's idea tho

    • @JackycakesV2
      @JackycakesV2 Рік тому +1

      @@gaboogarciaavand Dutch accepted it. And he’s the guy who killed an innocent woman which made it way bigger

    • @sotch2271
      @sotch2271 Рік тому

      ​@@JackycakesV2encouraged by micah, again

    • @JackycakesV2
      @JackycakesV2 Рік тому

      @@sotch2271 Dutch did it mercilessly. He just needed someone to tell him. Whether Micah, Arthur, or hosea

  • @onemoreminute0543
    @onemoreminute0543 Рік тому +7

    Hosea was the angel on Dutch's shoulder. Micah became the devil on his shoulder.

    • @Some_guy-on-the-internet
      @Some_guy-on-the-internet Рік тому +1

      But then the angel died and Dutch became what he has always truly been

    • @NikkolasKing
      @NikkolasKing Рік тому +1

      @@Some_guy-on-the-internet I think the way you live for twenty years is who you are, not when your family dies in a month.

    • @Some_guy-on-the-internet
      @Some_guy-on-the-internet Рік тому +1

      @@NikkolasKing Dutch was insane Hosea was the nail in the coffin

    • @Pavlushaderb
      @Pavlushaderb Рік тому

      ​@@Some_guy-on-the-internetI liked Dutch before chapter 4
      But now I realized that he was a little crazy from beginning

    • @JackycakesV2
      @JackycakesV2 Рік тому +1

      @@NikkolasKingyou show who you really are when you’re alone not when you’re surrounded

  • @BartyCrease98
    @BartyCrease98 Рік тому +1

    Bro just made the hardest Micah edit and then carried on with the video like nothing happened

  • @jirisykora2104
    @jirisykora2104 Рік тому +2

    At the end, Dutch was broken by the death of Hosea, losing his spirit he is easily persuaded to trust anyone believing in him and calling him family, Micah is awesome at what hes trying to do, psychology plays a huge role and I am glad it goes deep like this

  • @HyperSora80
    @HyperSora80 Рік тому

    The controls on that first train were so frustrating and I was a bit turned off by the cores, I almost dropped this game right away, but the moment we got to horseshoe overlook and I was free to explore, I fell in love. Can't believe I almost didn't play it.

  • @bananacrayon87
    @bananacrayon87 Рік тому +17

    Dutch, Micah and Arthur are probably some of the greatest characters (Micah s a great character because you hate him, which is the point of him)

    • @JackycakesV2
      @JackycakesV2 Рік тому +1

      Micah isn’t as great as everyone says. He’s good yeah but not one of the “greats” there’s characters you’re meant to hate in almost every piece of media

    • @bananacrayon87
      @bananacrayon87 Рік тому +3

      @@JackycakesV2 i meant in the game good sir

    • @Chicken-do1tt
      @Chicken-do1tt Рік тому

      I don't really hate micah tbh...

    • @jayyy1677
      @jayyy1677 Рік тому

      @@JackycakesV2I disagree.

    • @jayyy1677
      @jayyy1677 Рік тому

      @@JackycakesV2Micah is incredibly well written

  • @theonlybigsmoke
    @theonlybigsmoke Рік тому +5

    Just like the others said, I never saw Dutch towards the ending, rather a broken man who had lost everything. His family, everything they built and his charisma.

  • @deecool47
    @deecool47 Рік тому +4

    I didnt mind Micah at first. Thought he'd turn out to be a good dude until the ladder half of the gang. I thought they were building him up to be a red herring and thought he was bad ass and funny at first. The deeper it got the more my perception was shifted and I understood what he really was all along, but I can't be the only one who was fooled at first lmao.

  • @LastofusEllie
    @LastofusEllie Рік тому +2

    DUTCH: HOW DARE YOU MAKE THIS VIDEO SON!!! YOU WANNA BE THE GENERAL!!!!!!!!!!

  • @danm1870
    @danm1870 Рік тому +3

    When Micah said “just live your life and when it’s time go out shooting!” I guess John decided that was only way to go out as well. 😢

  • @Kp990
    @Kp990 Рік тому +2

    like arthur said whats happening to dutch is from Blackwater or maybe years before so I think he is just a bad person from the start and we couldnt see it cuz we liked him , Great video btw and u deserve more

  • @GagaTube1
    @GagaTube1 Рік тому +1

    The micah edit goes hard

  • @Generlc_Human
    @Generlc_Human Рік тому

    bro casually dropped the best Micah edit ever and didn't think we would notice

  • @aenigma_vitae
    @aenigma_vitae Рік тому

    I have a question about Micah: was any of his plans in the first chapters a good one with a successful outcome? Where he had proven himself?
    There was the ferry job in Blackwater, the thing in Strawberry where he got arrested, the stagecoach robbery (which brought money but didn't go as planned and was just a mess), the suggestion to move to Dewberry Creek, the parley with Colm O'Driscoll, trusting the Grays (which led to the whole mess in Rhodes)...
    I mean, EVERYTHING with him turned into a mess.
    But still, Dutch trusted him and his plans? Especially after Guarma? I mean... HOW?
    The only thing Micah got right was manipulating Dutch. Sorry for the long comment, it's just another point I figured out after all these years.
    Btw, great video!

  • @mistertwister2000
    @mistertwister2000 Рік тому +3

    It really puts in perspective how far Dutch falls (or rather how much he becomes who he truly was all along, depending on who you ask) when he and John interact in 1911:
    “You and your friend, the professor? We’re gonna kill the both of ya.”
    “Now why would you go and do a thing like that?”
    “I dunno . . . sport, I guess.”

  • @nobodyshekatonchires
    @nobodyshekatonchires Рік тому +1

    There are a lot of things to consider. Dutch believed himself the sole responsible one for everyone despite Arthur and Hosea being there. His head injury most likely ruined his ability to either hide his insanity and delusion because you see him snap at Hosea in colter so the faith-talk was always there. He wasnt sure about the bank and Hosea persuaded him, then he loses Hosea at the same job, almost loses Arthur and believed John a traitor.
    Micah definitely used that to his advantage and the Pinkertons were on their way anyway. The gang are all "bad" depending on who's point of view, so id say yes Dutch is bad, but the situation definitely didnt help him

  • @someguyonyoutube6110
    @someguyonyoutube6110 Рік тому

    Brotha actually dropped the hardest rat edit, people aint talking enough about it.

  • @zaidanahnaf9431
    @zaidanahnaf9431 Рік тому

    Finally an essay that's not unnecessarily 4 hours long

  • @thefallenvalley4340
    @thefallenvalley4340 Рік тому +1

    How Dutch went insane will probably will never get revealed. There are so many theories, but the power ratio to Hosea and his death makes sense, he went nuts after it.

    • @JackycakesV2
      @JackycakesV2 Рік тому +1

      Because there was no one to hold him back. And when the only other person he had high in command started seriously doubting him he needed a yes man.

  • @EdwardGonzalez-le1le
    @EdwardGonzalez-le1le Рік тому +2

    Honestly I think he went crazy when his best friend got shot in front of him and he was the only leader cuz Hosea was the second leader

  • @davidcase8635
    @davidcase8635 Рік тому +1

    Dutch van der Linde is basically the RDR version of Walter White from Breaking Bad.

    • @petermj1098
      @petermj1098 Рік тому +1

      Dutch lies “he has a plan” as much as Walter lies “he does it for his family”

    • @davidcase8635
      @davidcase8635 Рік тому +1

      @@petermj1098 Exactly.

  • @cb-9938
    @cb-9938 Рік тому

    It's incredible how it starts out as if he is a father figure to a Family.
    Then by chapter 6 we realize he is a Killer who puts himself above everyone. Willing to abandon the only Family he had left, Dutch called them his " *Sons* " but left both of them to die

  • @user-wi1sb2hs4g
    @user-wi1sb2hs4g Рік тому

    Best game story ever
    i liked the video from Saudi Arabia

  • @alexs.9762
    @alexs.9762 Рік тому

    I didnt play rdr1 so i had no idea, that dutch might be the villain in this story.
    But i started to doubt him early in the game after finding his written speech in horseshoe overlook.
    It seemed strange to me, that someone would plan his words in the exact detail before making a speech which seemed spontaneous to me at the time.
    This revealed to me that he is just a pretender and a false messiah trying to fool people (including his "family") just to survive.

  • @rdr.erased
    @rdr.erased Рік тому

    Yeah its really crazy to me that I really like Dutch even playing both games to the end a bunch of times

  • @WhatHeDid_0777
    @WhatHeDid_0777 Рік тому

    For a prequel, in my opinion, Rockstar did a pretty good job explaining everything that was never explained in the first place. We can only hope rdr3 will eventually come and won't be cancelled, and that it's actually a good game like rdr1 and rdr2.

  • @watdehec5733
    @watdehec5733 Рік тому

    I beat the game 8 times so I think I'm ready to watch this video

  • @TooRudeProductions
    @TooRudeProductions Рік тому

    To answer your final question, it's a little bit of both. It's easy to be good when things are going good, but when the chips are down, the person that you are deep underneath will arise.

  • @onemoreminute0543
    @onemoreminute0543 Рік тому +1

    "Son, just what the HELL is ligma?"

  • @thesturgon3980
    @thesturgon3980 Рік тому

    That edit was unnecessary...
    Unnecessarily good, goddam

  • @Mr.Pro55k
    @Mr.Pro55k Рік тому

    These words, words of yours have too much truth behind!!

  • @ParrotPentester
    @ParrotPentester Рік тому +1

    Every time I play this game I know what's going to happen, but a large part of me still hopes for a better ending, an ending that hasn't been seen before and an ending which ends with Arthur surviving

  • @Arab-burg
    @Arab-burg Рік тому +2

    Bro you just said everything that happened to me while playing love the vid keep it up 🫡

    • @ImTwxn
      @ImTwxn  Рік тому +1

      Lmao thank you 🫡

  • @zacharygardner2469
    @zacharygardner2469 Рік тому +1

    During the bank robbery in which Hosea and Lenny are killed, Dutch hits his head and mentions he doesn't feel right. After that, seemingly, his downturn accelerates. Makes me think maybe he's experiencing some sort of brain damage/severe paranoia.

    • @JaxxMCC
      @JaxxMCC Рік тому +2

      That was during the trolley job, which was what set Dutch off and made him kill Bronte. I think the actual injury is a red herring, and that the real purpose of its mention is to further intensify Dutch's hatred for Bronte after the mission. How could Bronte, a slimy snake with no morals who's willing to use a child as leverage, come close to the idea of even trying to hurt Dutch Van der Linde, a passionate, charismatic leader of a noble cause, let alone hurt him physically to a great extent

    • @DvHarris-uw3ze
      @DvHarris-uw3ze Рік тому

      Dutch didn't need brain damage to convince himself a woman in the head in Blackwater.

  • @bvl.commanderwinter9023
    @bvl.commanderwinter9023 Рік тому

    when it comes to Dutch I think I know what made him on hinge and Red Dead 2 there's one mission when Dutch got hurt in the trolley crash I think this man has a concussion I say that because Dutch began acting differently Even during that mission he complains about head pains but yes I agree to make a good villain he must be likeable 👍👍

  • @onemoreminute0543
    @onemoreminute0543 Рік тому +3

    I think that Dutch is a cautionary tale on what happens if you put too much faith in ideals.
    You can put too much faith in an ideal and be disappointed and so, with no alternative, crumble into bitterness at the world.
    Or, your 'ideals' become smoke and mirrors to cover up your ulterior agenda.

  • @GoonSquad-b9p
    @GoonSquad-b9p Рік тому

    I hate to give it to him but 3:08 micah has a good speech

  • @jnort95
    @jnort95 Рік тому

    Great Video!

  • @Lil_Loupy
    @Lil_Loupy 6 місяців тому

    3:08 what mission is that dialogue from?

  • @MeltedBananaTaffy
    @MeltedBananaTaffy Рік тому

    bro just casually dropped the first good micah edit in the middle of an analysis video ????

  • @Player-ts9wg
    @Player-ts9wg Рік тому

    Best Micah edit

  • @dragonslayer6006
    @dragonslayer6006 Рік тому

    Bro I loved that he feed him to a gator

  • @midogaming2141
    @midogaming2141 Рік тому

    Good video Twxn!

  • @Jvcques
    @Jvcques Рік тому

    Bro, since the beginning I never liked Dutch, so charismatic, sarcastic, acts like a saviour... I can't deny that he's so charming that I even forgot that I felt uncomfortable around him. And at the end I was right

  • @KushQrox
    @KushQrox Рік тому

    What a well made video!

  • @StormX6
    @StormX6 Рік тому

    Micah deceived Dutch by acting loyal to him as his "yes man". However, Arthur was Dutch's most loyal member. While Micah would tell Dutch what he WANTS to hear, Arthur would tell Dutch what he SHOULD hear.

  • @Nuttynutter
    @Nuttynutter Рік тому +3

    dutch always put the gang in a crutch while arthur always came in clutch jack deserved much micah was a sun of a gun sean was fun john was done and the gang met a sorry end to their run. (im out of other words that rhyme)

  • @TheRealChappers
    @TheRealChappers Рік тому

    Micah didn't initially hate arthur untill after guama when it was clear the gang was nit going to survive

  • @joeltravelman
    @joeltravelman Рік тому +2

    Vaas is the perfect villain in my opinion

  • @Fire_fest
    @Fire_fest Рік тому

    Everything was going wrong even before the game started, The blackwater massacre and all the later things happening in the story is just making dutch descend into further madness. And i didn't even mention the gang pressuring him and his own metaphorical son, Arthur going against his orders while micah is whispering into his ears. he couldn't handle the pressure and snapped. Turned into the thing he most despises.

  • @fatkrab7556
    @fatkrab7556 Рік тому

    tbh, this was noted vearily heavily in gta 4 too. I mean, everyone despised darko brevic for his actions, but i am quite sure we all hated dimitry rascalov more

  • @TacitusKilgore-b5g
    @TacitusKilgore-b5g Рік тому +3

    amazing vid but i started to dislike dutch only after he refused to save john and abigail leaving jackie without parents

  • @Luka2000_
    @Luka2000_ Рік тому

    Honestly rdr2 is the first rockstar game that i had to finish 100% just so i could see that cutscene.

  • @Leopold_Strauss
    @Leopold_Strauss Рік тому

    I was surprised when Dutch killed Bronte. But not in a negative way. I thought:"Well guess that was going to happen anyway". And i didn't even care about it when he killed that old lady in Guarma. It was not completely unnecessary because even if he just knocked her out she could have screamed for help. The first time i was really disappointed was when he left Arthur in the Cornwall factory. I just thought about why would he do that.

  • @Harrebs
    @Harrebs Рік тому

    Great video.

  • @jurekmarkiewicz5837
    @jurekmarkiewicz5837 Рік тому

    2:02 he became Colm O'Driscoll 2.0

  • @saleh-sa7155
    @saleh-sa7155 Рік тому

    you did micah so well in that edit , he is an asshole but my god is he a badass

  • @Pavlushaderb
    @Pavlushaderb Рік тому

    Hosea always was right
    If Dutch atleast listened him,he probably can avoided that horrible aftermath

  • @rodeladiegoivan7339
    @rodeladiegoivan7339 Рік тому

    Playing read dead 1 pretty much makes you see all the lies and the way he manipulates the gang from the start

  • @ladypeahen8829
    @ladypeahen8829 Рік тому

    Is he a bad person? Depends what you considered a bad person. Just like with an alcoholic - he did so much wrongness, hurt everyone, failed - but he suffered great pain, always struggle, and truly wanted to do the right thing, even if that was impossible to create a better world where everyone could be free.

  • @Mahmoud-d2r
    @Mahmoud-d2r Рік тому +1

    Dutch killed Mica, because he know he was the cause of destroying his boys, and Arthur the big boy of Dutch, my English is not good, but I am trying like Arthur, Dutch wasn't loved Arthur or Mica or Marston, he just loves herself, His boys were just like a tool or guns to achieve he dreams , and when he took what he wanted from anyone from his boys he left him, and didn't care about him.

  • @wolf6217
    @wolf6217 Рік тому

    I liked Micha because all of his missions were fun and exciting and new. Then he killed Arthur and that was the end of that.

    • @lobesteral
      @lobesteral 10 місяців тому

      He only kills Arthur in the low honor endings

  • @Vextonomy
    @Vextonomy Рік тому

    Micah wasnt the only reason for the fall. Was a one of the largest reasons but not the largest.

  • @SamP-by7iv
    @SamP-by7iv Рік тому

    honestly the scene of angelo bronte dying didnt really have the kind of impact that it should have on me, because i thought he deserved it. figured we were gonna wack the guy anyway

  • @kii7210
    @kii7210 Рік тому

    Micah to me has similarities to Trevor from gta 5.
    Trevor wouldn’t hesitate to stab people in the back for money or hate, in the mission fresh meat for example, Trevor wanted Michael to die with no guilt. Trevor wanted his own rules and his own ways. The difference is the way they do it. Micah tricks people and Trevor will just shoot you

  • @HavokMania
    @HavokMania Рік тому

    Dutch's downfall reminds me or Clay Morrows from Sons Of Anarchy

  • @Chris.Morales
    @Chris.Morales Рік тому

    Dutch was just a lost child, with a talent for populism, standing on the edge of good and evil.
    Micah was the one to push him over the edge and lose himself.

  • @ahmadkun69
    @ahmadkun69 Рік тому

    Rat in the is Abigail, John and her always save from pinkerton

  • @shadyshadow_inc
    @shadyshadow_inc Рік тому

    It wasn’t michas complete influence Dutch also completely dismissed those he valued at the cost of his own self interest e.g Dutch leaving Arthur to die when blinded

  • @ericpaunovic3579
    @ericpaunovic3579 Рік тому

    i don't think dutch killing bronte was evil but what made it different was way he went about it

  • @quintinjansevanvuuren9638
    @quintinjansevanvuuren9638 Рік тому

    Micah on that Sigma Male Bellset

  • @theforefathersyoutubeschan6906

    If Arthur was diagnosed before he went to guarma, I think he'd And Dutch would stay there fulfilling their dreams And saying in a warm climate for lambago.

  • @Allamisthatman
    @Allamisthatman Рік тому

    IF WE DON'T GET A LONGER VIDEO WE WILL RIOT (nah im joking i love the video wish it would be longer though)

  • @BIGwillTHEGAME
    @BIGwillTHEGAME Рік тому

    I had a goddamn PLAN!!

  • @alejandropulidorodriguez9723

    splendid

  • @BoniMayne
    @BoniMayne 8 місяців тому

    I like micha (go ahead kill me) he’s a good character and in the end it felt good to get rid of him

  • @CaptBlackjack22
    @CaptBlackjack22 Рік тому

    Love that despite the typical "White hat good Black hat bad" stereotype of westerns that they intentionally reversed in this game by making Arthur wear the black hat and I could be wrong but I think ONLY Micah wore a white hat? Despite this they have Arthurs base uniform have a blue undershirt. Saying that yeah he is good at his core he just has a lot of shit covering it up. Where Micah has that red underneath. Not sure how intentional it is bc I think both JM and Dutch have basically just black on black maybe some white. But I have to think the Arthur and Micah comparisons were intentional

  • @Crfatz
    @Crfatz Рік тому +1

    W video