Have the latest cruising yachts gone too far? ~ Swan 48 tour, too modern?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Swan are well renowned for leading the pack, a next level approach to boat building. A Whitbread sailors dream, just look at the OGR, it was a Swanfest! They can clearly make a good boat. Oh, they also made the first leisure vessel that sailed to the Arctic too, but the question is have they gone too far?
Fancy composite nomex cored interiors, furling mainsails, hydraulic controlls and dressed in dyneema. For the environmantalists out there, they are still using teak. Is this the furure of cruising? Or just a step too far, find out what we think about it all, it wasnt what we expected!
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This is by far the best yacht review I have seen on UA-cam. Fantastic detail explained by someone who actually knows boatbuilding.
Hey Keith! Cheers for that fella! Glad you enjoyed it 👍😃
I just wonder about the underbody shape. Does it have a short, deep, bulbed keel ? Does it have twin, spade rudders?
If it has these features, I would expect it to be extremely vulnerable to killer-whale assaults and keel strikes.
For sure! That makes sense, if you after one I’m sure you would check it out ay. It’s all compromises! So hard to build the perfect boat. That’s what the guys at Kraken are trying to do. For sure a belter of a boat but to much compromise on performance and sailing ability for me. Tricky game boatbuilding ay!
The chain damages the bottom 100X more than any hook
Your bang on there mate, it, does indeed! We will Go into our anchoring choices when we get to that point, but it all starts from the hook!
Where you can smuggle small children if you’re into that sort of thing.
Said George nestle coffee pods and Oprah I’m a dietitian.
Well done
Love it
Haha! Cheers man🤙🤭
Great walk through probably helped by the skills of the camera person lol. They are fab boats from way back and they as a builder are up front on innovation and mixing the two animals. As usual for me I always like a dedicated nav station, but I do come from the past lol. I saw Gentoo in Newport after the Trans CIC earlier this year. I think James just missed out on qualifying for this years Vendee but he's young and has a lot of potential.
Hi Ian! Glad you enjoyed it, yeah Jenni did super with the camera, we’re finding working together is becoming both easier and better now!
For sure the Swans are fab, we’ve done a few races on a 1970’s Swan 44 recently. She’s super stable!!
As for Gentoo, a hell of a beast and aye, James is sound and mega keen, we’ve got a wee interview and tour of that coming soon too!👍
Three cabin 6+ berth 48'...I feel like it can compete with some of the great 50' company's like kraken, hallberg-rassy, amel. I'm not sure I've seen oysters that really fit what I'm liking in the top five. But this boat definitely grinds some good stuff.
Yeah, it’s for sure up there. Not too big but feeling well spacious and seaworthy!
Love the interior and good quality of the boat. I don’t understand how the main sheet works going through the pipes in the cockpit. Not a fan of main sheeting in the cockpit on a cruising boat. It can be deadly with accidental jibes. An arch can fix that easily. Nice review
Thanks Patrick!
Yeah, a bit weird the old mainsheet tubes, but I think it’s a positive solution to having an end sheeted boom that allows you to have a table up.
I like end sheeted booms due to the much lower sheet loads but I can see why a lot of cruisers will shy away from them, if your not paying attention you could get a surprise, mind you at Leah with the tube idea it’s not taking you out from under your feet!
Fully agree Ultra Anchor is amazing
Well done brilliant video
Oh yeahhhhhh!
Amazing rig. Looking forward to seeing half of that in your build. Well, washing machine at least 👍👍
Hey, thanks fella! Me too!
What's that sailboat w the turquoise hull in the background?
Ahhhh, she’s a beauty! It’s Gentoo,s imoca 60! Formally “Hugo Boss”
What’s better is that we have a tour and interview with the skipper coming up! Such a cool boat!
@@SailHub thanks!
Makes for a very heavy boom. Not a problem as long as the autopilot is working well and you are careful with gybes.
Cheers 👍
I went to southampton boat show last saturday, it was good fun running round all these multi million pound boats and seeing some of the historic ones. Shame I won't be able to afford any anytime soon.
Haha! Yeah, we fall into the same category mate!
Great Review. Lots of practical cruising considerations.
Cheers princess!! 👍
I like twin helm however the Sirius 35 and 40 DS have a great solution using a single helm. I also like the twin keels on the Sirius which would also do well in the artic. Just saying like, something to think about
Sure man, I appreciate the feedback! Not so sure on the twin keels, sure they have a place and are becoming more efficient however I like the righting moment from a deep fin and the increased efficiency is really important to us! Mind you, shallow draft is too, which is why she is a lifter.
As for the helms. I really can’t decide, I do like the Jefa swing pedistal but I am questioning a tiller. To be honest we may just experiment and try both!
Nice video, easy Saturday morning watch. 👌👌👌👍⛵
Cool! Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Great video and we'll explained. Picked up some ideas, which is why your videos are so beneficial, always something new to learn.
Obviously a very high quality yacht, congrats to Swan!
Cheers guys 🍻🍻
Wahey! Cheers to you too 👍😊
Great to see the detail your boat builders eye brings to a walk around.
Cheers bud 👍
Nice design
For sure, she’s a beauty!
Yeah add up a total rig cost of using dyneema...there's yer answer as to why not everyone uses it. We're not all wealthy.
Got ya! Like I said, maybe a step too far! Kerrrrching! Thankfully though, we’re minted too so we’re all good 🤦♂️😝
@@SailHub LOL
So envious you get to look at gorgeous boats (aka 1.2M£!) like this and scheme your own build with a more or less blank canvas. I suspect you will do much more with much less. Don't rush your decisions, what you think is a great idea now may not be so in a year's time - that's the great thing about time.
Southampton boat show is the place to do this, be confident and respectful, you definitely see where the money is in these yachts…next level
Hey! Thanks mate, yeah…. We’re pretty lucky that’s for sure and we’re living it!
As for our own boat, she’s going to be something a little different to most things we’ve seen, possibly all things. It’s cool to get ideas everywhere but we need to use our own tin box for a bit before we think too much.
Right now it’s planning the winter and getting her back into the UK - it should be an adventure for sure!!
Thanks for the advice, defo taken on board 👍😀
Yeah SIBS is pretty good for boats kind you they need to uk their game with sustainable boats and products on show! There want much on show for our boatbuild!
It`s an fantastic boat one of the few downsides is the small dieseltank 360 liters, and the throttle control could be moved up to the pedestal. If i had the money i would buy one today! Thanks for the nice look around!
I’m pretty sure you can opt for more diesel tankage if you want. I think the idea was that there are 3 tanks and you can choose how you want to divide those between water and diesel.
For sure! A beaty of a boat indeed, 360l could be seen as poor for cruising but she’s a lift wind sailor. I guess we can’t have it all..🤔
That sounds sensible, cheers for pitching in 👍🙂
If you're wanting to take a boat to the artic circle I feel like vertical wind turbine (mast mounted) and hydroelectric is a great thing to look into maybe flexible solar infused on the deck could also help
Mate, I have a feeling your gonna like our boatbuild! Cheers for that👍
@@SailHub definitely will
@MistiMoan sweeet! Great to hear!!
Nothing cutting edge to see except possibly carbon rig. Teak decks are disastrous: they are too hot to walk on barefoot in the summer and are either leaky, or thin enough to crack & split. Either way, they are heavy. Roller furling main is highly avoidable. Slab reefing is still the best by far. All flush hatches I have used are terrible. All of them leak, especially the Lewmar. They are decorative only. Ultra anchors are very good as is the Maxwell windlass. This boat isn't a serious cruising boat: no dinghy stowage, no place for outboard or solar panels inadequate protection for the crew. It's a boat for the Mediterranean summer, not a live aboard cruiser.
What do you mean no dingy stowage? You could fit an inflated dingy of 2,5 meters.
@@jwxlr where?
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That’s a big harsh chap, everything is there, the dodger is huge! There is a bleeding garage for the dinghy and you can leave the motor on it.
Flush hatches, usually depends on the drainage system put in by the manufacturer, yup. Teak gets hot, but in higher latitudes that’s fine. It’s not likely to leak as that’s production boat boatbuilding techniques your referring too - there’s no screws or pins here chap. As for the furlerboom, have you personally used one made by them? Things are changing.
Exactly! 😆
Hello again. The interior passed the Jordy boy quality fiinish test, windows are Wow. Nice chatch on the washer Jen, Great giggle in the main cabin. Which cabin is for the livein tech for all the breakable and failalbes on the deck?
Hey up lad! Good to hear from you, yeah she’s a beauty! As for the breakables…. I class myself as the most likely thing to break here, the amount of times I bump my toes and bang my head on boats is unreal. I’m taking the port quarter 😝
Cool stuff. Cant wait to see your boat build.
Thanks man! I can’t wait to sort the rig and all that jazz, after that is gonna be all guns blazing in some super light build spec. That’s for sure👌
How's the hunt for a UK boat home going?
@SAILBOATJACARANDA errrrr….. slow 🤦♂️ the hunt for a place to melt the keel has become such an issue everything else has had to take a back seat. So I’ve not even looked for a spot on the hard for her UK debut!
Still, we’re getting there and thugs are progressing! Once we get the van done we now have a few options, mind you… they ain’t easy!
@@SailHub Never are. 😆
Loving the interior
It’s a beauty!
I can't help but wonder what she will look like in 40 or 50 years. How will the light weight cored doors etc hold up compared to the current 50 year old Swans?
Same with the teak decks (love the connection to planting) how thick are they?
I'm concerned about the safety of these boats that could see a couple in real trouble on an Atlantic if any one of several things broke (electric winches, boom furling being very obvious ones).
Hey up, good to hear from you! It seems to me the experience the Swan guys have has really paid off in this boat, on the face of it I can see why there is a marmite approach for many.
For me, being totally honest inthi n they have made some great choices and given the build quality is better than ever I was actually really impressed.
Nomex is just brilliant. It’s stronger than any ply based door was and there’s less effort working against it too due to the light weight.
The teak, yeah.. cool that they have a forest, they appear considerably thicker than most yards use. I didn’t question it ti be honest, it just looked ‘right’ however it will of course wear out at some point, but there are no through grp fixings to worry about so no leaks at least.
As for the electric winches, the harken ones on show here are the same as the mechanical option, when you pop a winch handle in the top it mechanically disengages the motor so there’s no energy loss by going manual. The boom furler, you can just drop it like a traditional main if you want too so that takes considerable stress away.
So it leaves me thinking there’s not much to complain about!
@@SailHub I get that the winches can be used manually, but can a couple who rely on the electrics cope if the winch fails s (as Sailing Cadoha managed with their Seldon in a crash gybe). Probably more of a problem on yachts the next size up or two.
I get that the sales pitch for the boom furler but I'm not convinced they are a safe seaworthy option for world cruising. Chances of being stuck somewhere waiting for parts among the reasons.
@@SailHub "not much to complain about" I'd hope so for 50x the cost of ours 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SailHub can you do a more detailed follow up about your comments on the varnish on rebates cracking (trim on the forehatch vs the heads door frame). We got a bit confused.
For sure mate I get your point, mind you I’m not into sales pitch’s man. I’m just speaking how I feel.
The boom furler, I think they are great but I wouldn’t have battens in it. If we were going around the world I would get some soft eyes in the sails too and prep the mast before you leave. That way it’s ready to run it as a slab reefing system without any parts, if it goes pear shaped.
I actually spent quite a bit of time a couple of years back looking into furlerboom as an option for our boat and met them in person too. I had an in mast which was riddled with trouble until I re-rigged it and changed the rake and the sails. After that it opens my mind a bit, but not enough to do it again. It was then that I started looking into furling booms and the engineering behind them with more detail. The only reason I moved away from it is the cost and the potential of freezing, which is probably very unlikely.
They are just too dammed expensive.
Anyhow, you may not like them and that’s cool too.
Anyhow, we’re going slab reefed and that’s a hassle enough with a 56m2 main. It’s not massive but for a shorthand crew do I like simple.
It was kind of hard to make out but was the washing machine behind a glass panel? Pretty cool idea
Yeah, it was 👍
I would’ve enjoyed a look at the engine room and electrical systems. Otherwise it was a nice look at the design 👍
Sure, although the electrics are most likely a custom offering so not really why effects the purchase as for the motor. Yeah, it would have been good to get a look but we were short in time. Next time!
you know it's a serious boat builder when they have fixed anchor points for lee-cloth in the cabins! warms my heart! the common mainstream cruisers today do not come with this equipped!
I had a Jeanneau 49 DS from 2007. a great boat. sailed fantastic and not much sound down below when pushing her in bad weather in the north sea but i allways felt it was a compromise between being a open water sailor and a great choice for day cruising the med. And with the owners suite up front with a center bed with space to almost walk beside you could forget having a good night of sleep while underway but it looked awesome in harbour. so they've thought of a lot. And Swan being a performance oriented producer of sailboats for many years it seems like they propose to the cruisers with this boat and setup. It would be awesome to see how it sails. most likely as great as her siblings!
I liked your tour of the boat. Not biased and bought by the yard it seemed!
When it comes to the Dynema to the Harken block on the mast my first thought was wear and tear. When you have a mast with that great finish you do not want a steel shackle rubbing against the coating when pushing the boat. That would lead to unnecessary cost while this setup will not scratch the surface but maybe rub it a bit.
I considered an early 2000 swan, 48 mk2 for a while back. Did not go for it tho as i felt the cockpit was outdated for sailing with kids and family.
It is quite strange. Once i wanted the Swan/Baltic setup with a small cockpit for socialising and a sailors cockpit aft with all winches and steering wheel but now with kids, this is what you want. You want a performance cruiser you know can handle a regatta to Shetland, crossing the atlantic and cruise the med/pacific with kids. And the cockpit here can handle everything. It is a compromise maybe but it sells in to more customers than the more performance oriented sailors want!
Keep the vids coming. I'll sure check out who you/you guys are and what you do!
Cheers from Norway.
Cheers for that! Some great point made there and I’m pleased that first of all you enjoyed it and secondly that we don’t come across biased as we’re not, it just my beliefs and that’s it.
The North Sea is surely a fun place to sail and you need a boat that is as prepared as it’s crew! But like you said, if your in the business of selling boats you need to compromise and to me this seems sensible. I would probably change a few things personally but then, wouldn’t we do that on all boats!
I’ve always said that when I see something on a boat that I can’t understand, I just means I’ve not found the angle to look at it right. It’s always a compromise and it’s always going to suit someone! Mind you building a boat for ourselves turns out to be the hardest thing, somehow I find it easier for others!!
This just sounds like a sales pitch to me. 1) boom furling takes too much time. 2) Ultra is not the best anchor and SS anchors is great for those who anchor for the weekends but not good for serious cruisers. 3) You don't impress anybody by anchoring in sand. Try a hard bottom like Bocas Del Toro. I could watch anymore of this after the Ultra is the best sales pitch.
Ok fella, it’s no stress to me. I’m not working for anyone here and I have nothing to gain. If you really think I would suggest this based on one anchorage you must be bonkers. We tested it for over a year on our previous boat before we returned it. My comments are based on my experience and I am confident in my words and for your reference. There was no financial benefit for me testing the Ultra, at all.
Mind you, your free to have your opinion too, that’s all good.
@@FranklinGray mate, come on. I’m not going to sit here and have you troll me.
I am sorry for removing your last comment and I will happily leave your comments up if you are just decent enough to respect the creator.
It’s ok to doubt our credibility but given we have never spoken and you don’t know me, my situation, experience, testing or reasons to make videos I think you should maybe get to know that before making rather rude accusations.
Anyhow, feel free to comment your thoughts on anchors all day fella. That, I have no problem with 👍
Can someone please elaborate on why in-boom furler would be problematic in colder climates?
Mandrel freezing in place and snow and ice fills up in the boom trough.
@@SailHub well, makes perfect sense, I thought it was gonna be something less down to earth!
@wrobelda 👍 mind you… There is the question that as we go further north the earth spins at lower speed. Could this reduction in circular motion create a phenomenon where the rotational velocity of a furling mandrel is also effected? I’m sure someone somewhere would think so? 🤔🤦♂️
A empty furler boom when gybing sounds fairly light weight way to go I reckon
Yeah, it’s does sound pretty good, but compared to a standard boom, the increase in weight is pretty hefty.
Either way, I’m planning on making a carbon boom as it’s cheaper than buying an alloy one! That being said, if the price was right I would save the fabrication hassle!
I like your thinking but I just think a project is cool but if it goes on too long too many things can happen and you miss out on the real life fun
@mattdouglas5570 oh no mate. That’s not happening here! I’m right in your camp fella! No boatyard hanging around for us, I’ve spent far to many days working in them already!
The plan is to get going as soon as we can, a build focused on efficiency and experimentation. So we need to get going and keep modifying until we have a plan and then spend some time on her, bit by bit and get it right! Can’t wait! 👍
@@SailHub yer mate I'm a boat builder too I know exactly where you're coming from
@mattdouglas5570 sweet! Mate, thanks for getting involved too, so good to have some experienced minds pitching in. Much appreciated 👍
Interesting that despite bow and stern thrusters they hadn't put throttles on the pedestals.
Personally I like that, they always seem to get knocked by people or caught in ropes. Where it is is easily accessible and protected by the helmsman. What do you think?
@@SailHub Personally I find I have more control and less distraction with pedestal or fly bridge mount. It looked to me like the boat was set up for sailing performance and the engine almost an after thought. Swan probably offer all sorts of configurations and to each their own.
@matthewsellers82 hey Mathew, she was sure set up for some performance cruising!! I imagine you could have the throttle in a different place as you suggested. I guess it’s horses for courses and I can completely understand why you may want it if easy access, it makes a lot of sense.
For me the acid test is could I safely make an upwind passage in her-get across the salon, use the heads, cook, sleep securely, helm comfortably etc. There were overhead grab rails to get across the salon, the sink is midline, but otherwise not sure.
The heads is right next to the companion way what more do you want? The quarter berths are the norm on passage for comfort, your gonna struggle to fall out of them. I’m not really sure there is a problem here?
One head should have a fore-aft toilet, hope there are lee boards and lee cloths for berths, grabbing the deck chairs looks frightening in a seaway. Would you trust the fridge to keep closed on port tack without a backup latch? The dodger does not have outboard grab bars to go forward. It does not appear that there is any way to pull the sprit tack point aft to connect a code sail.
@madisonian50 the deck chairs are to be stowed away 😩…
Anyhow, your probably forgetting these are a semi custom build anyway. You can specify what you want just as the owner of this one specified what they wanted.
Lee cloths are most likely an option, although easily added after, some times extra grab rails are an extra, as some people want a clean look and they can handle the standard fiddle grabs on the table and bulkheads ext.
As for the heads. Really? Your that fussy? I mean, fair enough you can probably get single shower option and you achieved your goal. However you loose the washing machine and your in search of expansive laundromats as you cruise.
It’s always a compromise and I’d say this is pretty sweet and easy to adapt for some pretty hardy sailing if that’s your choice! That being said, it’s super hard to build a boat to tick all the boxes, just try to spec your dream boat and it becomes compromise after compromise.
On the plus side there is I think a deck fitting for a removable inner forestay. Would probably be nice to have a staysail rather than depend on a “triple reefed” furled genoa.
@@madisonian50 oh mate, your not wrong there. A staysail would be epic, looking at the rig and the hull it’s most likely going to be a Solent stay, pretty good for most cruising situations.
Boom furling is fantastic. The best thing about it is if it jams you can still drop the main.
Yeah. In general I’ve got to agree, for a cruiser it just makes sense to me.
@SailHub Yep for cruising yachts. To get the full convenience out of it, an electric winch is a big plus as they do take a lot of winding. My only fear with it is it braking in an isolated area, unlikely but anything is possible. Slab reefing can not be beat for reliability.
That’s true, you can’t beat the slab! I do wonder how well the boom furls in heavy weather if the sail has battens - I’d they don’t run in straight I can imagine a rather large problem however.. do we need full length battens on cruisers?
@SailHub it's very important to have the correct boom angle. You need a rod kicker that can be pre set before reefing or fixed at the correct angle...the angle needs to be about 87 degrees to the mast on the system i know. Having a fully battened main is no issue. If you don't have the boom angle correct you can damage the sail at the luff or have too much leach tension putting excess strain on the system. If all is set up correctly it works well. I don't even come up into the wind to reef, just take load off a bit, keep sailing on course, reef and load up again. (with an electric winch ;)
@robertashcroft9435 thanks for that, yeah just like a mast furler then. Although you can use a topping lift if you don’t have a rod kicker.
No main sheet traveller and the sheets are lead from pipes.... Unconventional.
That’s pretty true. I believe you can have it with a traveler if you want it though.
Right? The lateral forces on the top of those pipes must be massive, especially after a jibe…
For sure, it looks a bit mad up however it’s worth noting it is end boom sheeting so the forces are a lot lower than they would be on a mid boom sheeting. Having built several stainless structures over the years I would suggest they are more than strong enough and I find it hard to believe that Swan would not run the numbers to exceed the required loads. All that being said, it does make you question it on first thoughts.
@@SailHub yah, it think the structure would probably survive, it was the deck that I was worried about! My guess (hope?) would be there’s some sort of large steel plate underneath the deck to spread the load more than the little plate above the deck
@peterjmcgowan yeah! I’d hope so too! 👍🫣 im pretty sure they will have this well under control, mind you it’s kinda worrying that we all briefly questioned it, it tells a story of what goes on with elsewhere in the marine world! Quite frightening!
I guess this boat doesn't have any engine, generator or electrical system. Pretty SHITTY Tour
Thanks mate. Your comment is so appreciated. I was taking a look into the things thy have changed in cruising and effect the build and sailing performance. As for the motor, it’s a diesel, and the generator, well.. that’s up to you what you choose. There’s your answer, does it really matter which one it is? Are you going to make your decision to buy based on the engine? If your a sailor, I really doubt it
Please relax a bit. I get nervous watching your videos
So don’t watch them, jeeez
A first class appreciation of this yacht from an experienced boat builder/ sailor.
BZ on a good job.
Swan should be chuffed.
Haha!! Fantastic!! Thanks for that 👍
Sorry chap, your not gonna change me matey. Shame we were not likely to enjoy a pint sometime at 🤣🍻
I'd say he is pretty chilled already, nothing to be nervous about maybe you have been watching too many sailing channels advertising better help all the time?
This gentleman has a few things to learn.
Here we go…. Spit it out then
@@SailHubI think they're speaking in 3rd person referring to themselves clearly...
Cheers fella! Loving the support, thanks! 👍