German Reacts to Oversimplified's Punic Wars!
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Afte a long hiatus, Oversimplified is back and he's back with a banger.
We're going back to Rome and Roman history after the Napoleonic Wars and it's time to visit one of the most cruicial wars in ancient times, the Punic Wars!
Tommy, per usual, not very informed on this topic so he is going to be learning a lot from these Oversimplified videos.
Honestly I think Roman history is some of the most interesting stuff out there, there's so much to cover just about Carthage and Rome on their own, not to mention everything after that.
Rome is insane when it comes to fun history.
Really wish a game like Imperator Rome succeeded and was as good as HOI4...
Anyways this is a German Reacts to Punic Wars aka TommyKay reacts to Oversimplified's video on the Punic Wars!
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Oversimplified is such an absolute chad at this moment
He is a chad
Always has been
@@groggyfellow and always will be
Forever and always
The world goes crazy whenever he uploads
I did the math and the peace treaty demanded Carthage to pay the equivalent of 128 billion dollars. The Treaty of Lutatius was very much the Treaty of Versailles of the time.
holy 💀
@@TommyKay there is actually a video by overly sarcastic productions about double world wars that took the comparsion
That’s some countries entire GDP. Even losing 5% of your GDP is an economical disaster. Wow
No, it was misleading but 40 millions was the total number, not one silver talent. Estimates vary (silver wasn't worth the same thing as now) but generally a silver talent of this era is considered worth around 400-500 modern day USD.
It was still enormous for Carthage, as pre-industrial societies had very little ressources and gdp. To give an example of back then vs now, the richest Roman province in 117 AD had a lower gdp per capita than the poorest African countries today. Life was hard in the past and people were dirt poor, even in the richest areas in the world.
@@xenotypos How much was one talent of that era in kilograms? Because for 500 USD you wouldn't even get 1 kg today.
Virgin Mongols vs Chad Romans
Mongols: invade Japan twice, sink twice in a storm, give up
Romans: Build 5 fleets from scratch, they all sink, doesn't give up, wins
Gigachads
maybe if the punics did the same, they would have intvented kamikaze instead
Virgin roman took 700 years to conquer a little land while Chad mongols needed 70 years.
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 Then lost it in a century.
@@melonmusk8924 And the Romans kept it for nearly 500 years (I think)
Carthage: You literally just lost hundreds of thousands of men in a thunderstorm, please give up.
Rome: No.
They when full gigichad mode.
they also had that problem in the second punic war too, they just wouldn't fucking give up despite losing countless men
@@Dell-ol6hb imagine not throwing all the ppl you have at the enemy not like Italy did the same in ww1 and eventually captured 1M Austrians capitulating them after losing 2M ppl and 2 of its regions to the Austro-German offensives plus the nation went bankrupt 3 times with the citizens giving all they had to keep fighting the Hasburgs ( because in Italy it wasn’t about Austria but the Asburgs in particular which had mostly meastreted and repressed the Italians ).
if only genghis khan learned the romans more then there wont be an anime today
Rome also demanded that Hannibal pay rent for squatting on Roman land after they found out about the battle of Cannae
I love how dommy loves all the baby jokes now that he has a baby
He’s a father????????
seems like he's about to do something to his baby i'd watch out if i was his baby
@@TommyKay baby vid when
@@TommyKay 31:06 i was laughing my ass off
“Imagine being a slave that would suck” -tommykay in his genius
dude working in my garden: :(
I, for one, think world hunger should stop
That one kid in Libya: :(
"sometimes my genius, it's almost frightning"
If i remember correctly the corvus was a big reason why rome lost so many ships in storms
Also my guess is that a large part of those 100 000 dead on the ships were the slave rowers!
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unironically yeah
@@TommyKay communist “Our video “
The ships were mainly Quadrireme's and Quinquereme's. Basically how many levels of oars they had in the water. There were roughly 250-300 rowers that carried 100-200 soldiers. So 284 ships losing 100K isn't that absurd.
350-500 people x 284 the lowest number you get is 99,400, the highest is 142,000.
@@speedy01247 yep, give or take of course. 100,000 is a decent estimate.
@@speedy01247 it literally also said ~100,000, meaning rough estimates
The Punic wars are so cool and tommy makes it so great
roman history is insanely interesting
@@TommyKay very true
How?
Man i wish i could get a top comment and then edit it to be very controversial😊
Oversimplified gets better and better👍
It is assumed that the Romans massively benefitted from a natural climate change at that time, which caused the Italian Peninsula to be insanely fertile, leading to massive population numbers, add to that the fact that condoms werent a thing back then and they reproduced like crazy with the food to actually sustain themselves, most of Romes food, even later on came from Italy and was only overtaken by the grain imports from Egypt later on
actually not . The climate change happened later on when Rome was already an empire and was one of the many causes of the empire fall
they still had a now extinct plant called silphium, that was a natural contraceptive and abortifacient (abortion) the romans used, later on in the empire era they used it so much that they made it extinct, at least that's one theory, others include climate change and overgrazing
*Syracuse exists*
Tommy: Thats a greek colony
*Syracuse changes sides*
Tommy: Italians! Am i right ppl?
Yes Germans cannot avoid talking about Italy whatever they are watching
In italy defence, if you live here since more than 2 generation you are italian, The Peninsula molds you, and the natives too, we are italian because we live in Italy, not viceversa
Decided to actually look it up, on the wiki it does say that the avarage complement of that era Quinquireme was 400 men, thus, almost 300 ships lost would easily equal a 100k dead.
wtf
@@TommyKay believe it now?
Most of those casualties were probably galley slaves
Damn, i guess they had scrap the barrel for that manpower
@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 werent used in ancient times both Romans and Cataginiens used payed sailors
Rome building an entire warfleet from scratch: 2 months
The german government building a single airport: 43 years
If we would have an actual competent bureaucracy we could do the same...
But for that we would basically need to rebuild it entirely from scratch, I doubt that the current state is actually salvageable at this point.
There are more money to steal
seeing the punician/roman names for the cities of my island was so intresting:
messana = messina,
drepana = trapani
Panormus = palermo ( my city )
lilybaeum = marsala
agrigentum = agrigento
lipara = lipari
It's crazy how similar they are
@@Muffinracker exept marsala
@@shadow_b0itrash415 marsala got renamed during the arabic period of sicily
@@talelb6412 a rare case in which the Arab period was influential to be fair the German Roman and Spanish had greater cultural influence and the French political and economicall.
@@Boretheory I can agree that the Eastern Roman and the Spanish were more influential, but Arab left a lot of things in sicily, even after the Normans arabs still inhabited the island, becoming advisors of tutors of the new kings. The sicilians combined arabic and roman architecture to make many monuments and I advice you to come and visit, since sicily and its people are beautiful
A TommyKay reaction video is basically watching the original video with a German guy occasionally ranting about something unrelated in the background.
Yeah but its very entertaining
almost like reaction videos are garbage...
I’m pretty certain there was like 10+ rowers for each paddle, and like hundred paddles
True. For being small ships compared to today, those ancient ships were brimming with men.
2 or 1 per oar.
According to Polybius, at the Battle of Cape Ecnomus, the Roman quinqueremes carried a total crew of 420, 300 of whom were rowers, and the rest marines. Leaving aside a deck crew of c. 20 men, and accepting the 2-2-1 pattern of oarsmen, the quinquereme would have 90 oars in each side, and 30-strong files of oarsmen. The fully decked quinquereme could also carry a marine detachment of 70 to 120, giving a total complement of about 400. A "five" would be c. 45 m long, displace around 100 tonnes, be some 5 m wide at water level, and have its deck standing c. 3 m above the sea.
"According to Polybius, at the Battle of Cape Ecnomus, the Roman quinqueremes carried a total crew of 420, 300 of whom were rowers, and the rest marines."
Italy was arguably the most densely populated place on the planet. Those numbers are ridiculous for the overall population of the place. Comparatively, Carthage was extremely sparsely populated and couldn’t afford much casualties.
You haven’t taken a look at china
China was way worse but Italy was the most populated in the west
People forget just how OP Italian peninsula was,especially back in Antiquity when most of Western Europe was lightly populated tribal ranging areas.
Its the same with France and Britain. These countries benefited from their absurd geographical advantages before technology and consolidation of new countries reduced that advantage
@@zosasho8036 I said arguably. And China has tons of people but compared to the size of Italy, the density at the time might be closer than you might think.
I think only Egypt was more populated, Italy was and still is Heaven on Earth, so much resourses, so much fertile lands, in anciet times they could manage to have many babies even just for this, plus Italy even in roman era had a settlement every few kilometers, and not villages but literal cities
34:37 In WW2 the Polish had a bear that worked with artillery, so the use of a real gorilla in war is very likely. Even if not directly, some army must've lured their enemy into a gorilla den where they were promptly torn apart.
Australia needs to take notes
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10:25 I actually convinced my AP history teacher in Highschool to start showing these in his class after convincing him to watch a few. Unfortunately, he did it after I left Highschool but It was really cool to hear he incorporated a few of these (obviously the relevant ones) into his curriculum.
I can say that I didn't knew a lot about the Punic Wars, Oversimplified makes complicated things to be simple. He's videos are a combination between entartaiment and knowledge, you will get both. He doesn't post too much because he want to make hype for he's videos and also he want's them to be perfect and well made.
Once had a history teacher that was so funny and great at teaching us, there was not a single soul that hated him. Sadly or not sadly he decided to quit his job to pursue his dreams.
42:45 - Most of the numbers of the dead at sea would have been the rowers who would have been slaves
“Sacrificing your baby, that’s like some next level shit dude.”
I mean not really… we do it everyday in every modern society
Actually today is worse as back then it was usually for some (albeit flawed) beneficial reason, nowadays its just personal choice.
Great you just had to make this comment section politically.
For those who don't get it Tommy makes reference to Qatar who used slave labor to make their world cup stadium, over 6500 people died to make it, don't watch the Qatar world cup unless you support slave labor, or plz use OTHER MEANS to watch it
What if I want to watch it
@@SlovakChestnut12233 pirate it lol
@@pokpok97642 someone gets it
@@SlovakChestnut12233 "Qatar finals online free" of course there are dubious sites but an add locker and shit and you have it
It’s a good day when tommy reacts to oversimplified.
amen to that
oversimplified is the goat
@@TommyKay Thanks for the reply funny Ginger German Man.
If the russian army is so bad how 200k reckt 600k soldiers ,you know Ukrain had 600k men at the start of the war whit russia and they beat the Ukrainian army 2 times till now ,cuz the Ukrain lost all ther suplies in the first month ,if nato did not give suplies to them they will have trow rocks at the russian army ,I dont say the war is good ,or what russia did was good ,but you need to give to Cezar what is Cezar ,russia won the war a sad reality
cope. lol
I love Tommy's reactions, but one thing I CANNOT stand, is when the guy here's a scientific, historical, or other kind of fact that he doesn't "agree" with lol, then just goes "NO WAY.....FUCK OFF", like dude....wtf lol
To be fair those "facts" were written 2000 years ago by Romans. Of course there's going to be some exagarations to show the how badass were the Romans.
its more of a shock thing tbh, not saying it didnt happen
@@melonmusk8924 that's fair, but not really what he said
carthage and rome are basically napoleonic france and britain
Gotta love the kids in chat spamming that the city of Rome had over 1 million population and that's why they were able to continue the war after loosing their fleets, while in reality the city of Rome only reached that population 200-300 years later...
Tommy is incredily misinformed about the situation in Ukraine.
I cant take you serius with a hitler profile picture
Now we wait until Hannibal grows up and than oversimplifieid will post the punic wars 2
italy in ww2 did not miss courage but decent equipement and generals
I mean the country wasn’t even united or stable. In ww1 ppl wasn’t politically united but they wanted the Asburgs put so they all united. In ww2 the monarchists The reppublicans and the communists were unhappy with the fascists it couldn’t just last long Mussolini was appointed to maintain unity but when he failed the monarchists also left him and he was fired by the king.
@@Boretheory this appened when the american land on sicily , the war was lost and the king fired Mussolini and in the mess of the switch side many italian died
man the italians must be blessed, there are quite some battles and wars where they lose twice as much men as the enemy but its still a victory
Blessed?
Or just... have more manpower lol
In the first revolutionary war “Italy” lost 20k the enemy lost 80k and Italy won most of the battles despite fighting Naples France Spain and Austria alone with only Piedmont and The fourth Roman reppublic in the war yet it was lost because the enemy just had too many ppl. We’re not blessed we were determined to win. Just like ij ww1 we got bankrupt and used everything we had to stop 2.5M Soldiers with our 1.3M and eventually managed to stop them with massive economic losses and the humiliation of everyone forgetting just how close Italy was to end Austria in 1917 before the German reinforcements
I guess the Roman used all the luck reserve if later one is any indicator
in case you wonder why it so many people per ship. it including rower too just imagine the ship range of rower and they have 3 line of it + soldier on the ship.
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Oversimplified has been focusing quite a lot on Italy like war of the bucket and now Punic wars? I expected something else but this is nice Italy has an underrated history
You are right I never saw it that way
Tunisia too, that part of the world rarely ever gets covered
How is it underrated, its probably the most talked about ancient civilisation, compare it to Persia or Egypt etc
@@aw2584 he means that people talk more about world war 2 or more recent big historikal events. For example in the school i go in Germany we talked about the punik war for about 5-10 minutes
@@budury6348 i mean the medieval Italian history and modern is also super important yet it’s skipped as “ Italy formed and was bad” while the guys that united the country created the modern idea of a united Europe ( later structured by two Italians prisoners in fascist Italy) and while An Italian dynasty ( The Bonapartes) both revolutionised Europe and got their ass kicked by Bismark triggering the German unification which was also inspired by Italy final success ( there had been 7 Italian unification attempts starting from 1310 to 1850) notably the third Roman reppublic that had a lifespan of 40 yrs and a 100% win ratio on battle which is quite rare for a big nation
53:05 Drew durnil is on TV
(Tommy's face cam is covering it)
HAHA
10:38 As a history teacher I sometimes use explainers such as videos from oversimplified. But with students between the ages of 10-14 these videos are often overflowing with information. A history lesson should not be about just pilling information upon the students. IMO it should be about giving them the tools and skills necessary to explore the wonders of history in their own and with the schoolmates.
It’s easier for an adult with a lot of historic knowledge to watch these videos and actually gain anything from them.
Wow how many times the Roman Republic came back with a bigger fleet lol!
The Romans' terms for peace ended up being so harsh that Carthage would go to war with them again.
Where have I heard this before?
Hannibal after the battle of Canae: ''you lost 80% of your male population, JUST GIVE UP MAN''
Rome: ''ridiculum''
2:47 It’s interesting how Goya’s most well known painting was the one he never intended anyone to see.
Not the point of the video, but I will say that Roman society was one of the first civilizations to understand how to have communal facilities for sanitation that allowed for massive cities and prevented mass disease from spreading. Those communal toilets may sound disgusting to us, but it was a marvel at the time along with communal baths.
more than 400,000 men died in the punic wars
Keep in mind that a lot of this is mythos and from Roman sources. Carthage did not actually sacrifice babies for example.
Nor did Rome just act as barbaric as described the methods of today’s and olds Italians to clean themselves are still more civilized than sticking a corn in your *ss like the Americans did or not using water and paper or sponge to clean yourself like many in the non-Latin part of the west do. I say what the Romans had was still very impressive for their massive economical issues
Were the months longer in any way back then or was it that easy to work with wood? 😂
true actually
Slave labour and threats of death have a way of motivating pepole.
Are we not just gonna talk about how at 1:41 the video goes silent?
In the Original Video he said kidnapping, maybe UA-cam had a problem with that
Oh boy I do always love some roman history
Sexism is a fairly new concept, women in rome didn’t pay taxes, they were treated as equal in most ways except when invaded they became slaves instead of being massacred so no, being a woman was not worse back then
Yeah and slavery bad is a fairly new concept also, just less than 200 years ago was it abolished in most societies
"They were treated as equal in every way" not really. They couldnt vote per se
@@cryaboutit6670 women could easily influence politics in other ways, watch historia civilius
@@themammoth67 "In other ways" , thats not the initial point you were making. You said " they were treated as equal in every way" but that's not true simply because they couldn't vote or hold any political office as a man could. " *In other ways* " " *equal in every way* " see the contradiction there?
@@cryaboutit6670 well I didn’t mean every way did i
People often don't realize just how urban and populous and very much like our own world the ancient world was mistaking it for the medieval world which was more like the mad max leftovers trying to rebuild the glory of the ancient world.
Wait history is not all about naming ww2 tanks?
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Ngl him going "naaah that's bullshit I don't believe the numbers" every time a storm happened was kinda annoying. It's like someone saying they don't believe more than 50 million people died in WW2 because it's just "too big" a number for them.
Tommy says a lot of dumb stuff but he's right to be a bit skeptical. There isn't actually an accurate record of the casualties and so you usually have to estimate them and thats not always going to be correct. Not to mention both sides tend to exaggerate the losses of enemies compared to their own. Even in modern wars this is a thing.
31:20 beeing anybody accept for the rich it did suck majorly. Not just the men but the women and the children too.
Why mute the audio when oversimplified said kidnapped, but when Tommy says it 2 seconds after it’s fine?
1:34 someone said "this is a myth i think", that my friend is the smartest tommykay's viewer
40:57 Literally the backbone of Roman philosophy.
"The Treaty was extremely punishing" (52:20) things are getting familiar rn Tommy eh? xD
Rome had around 2.5m population in 200bc
Shoulda ended it with Hamilcar making his son swear a blood oath to destroy rome. Coolest guy ever.
Good editing Subaku!
Thanks
Punic wars 2!!!!!!!!!
So I did some research on whether 100,000 soldiers drowned in the storm. So, 100,000/284 would be 352 soldiers per boat. The Quinquereme could hold 400 people in charge of the boat alone, along with 100 soldiers. So 500 in total. So it looks like yeah, if they really lost 284 ships in one storm, they really lost about a hundred thousand soldiers. Damn.
This video was beautifully edited, they skipped all his rants.
HAHA
@@TommyKay exactly lol
i somehow dont believe in the numbers presented in this battles because it seems that the historians got their number everytime from roman sources and there was not much of another party too validate this. i think the romans liked too brag about how big the battles where maybe.
the romans did that, thats why sources of today always claim more appropriate numbers.
Tommy you know the romans had a large surplus of food stuffs ensuring a large population as well they had a lot of adult parties.
My favorite German watching my favorite historians
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I assume most of the deaths in the ships were slaves who rowed
Roma showed that mimikry is the most OP skill imho
0:03 I have a very powerful speaker, that censor sound made my house shake.
There's just some thing mystical and so inspiring about Rome AND Romans that other big empires at the time (the Chinese Dynasties, Indian Empires, middle eastern empires) couldn't replicate.
And if you guys want to watch a detailed version of the events, please check out "Kings and Generals" and "Invicta", they're really great with their own animated battles! Despite being long, if you're interested, I guarantee you'll like it :3
Maybe because there are romeboos and many videos about rome? Like people in the west are being fed how Greece city state started democracy or how roman empire was big and unique so of course for you guys it look like this. No one in west knows of indian republics during mahajanapada period or how large the Chinese armies were.
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 Well, for starters, I'm SE Asian. And... eh, for some reason I just don't get interested in anything related to India (sorry) so personal bias is certainly there. Though their Gods being depicted on some games (Like Asura's Wrath) on the other hand, is really epic! But apart from that, I don't really... well.
@@HackerArmy03 you are implying Rome is better than China, which is debatable. I'd say both are the greatest ancient empires recorded. Even since ancient time Rome and China views each other as equal existence.
XCIX when you say it sounds like six
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Sad they didn't bring this up:
Obviously, after feeling betrayed, Hamilcar Barca didn't return to Carthage. He sailed west on the Mediterranean to the coast of modern day Catalonia and founded a big settlement in that area. That settlement was named Barcelona, after Barca.
They talked about that on another video.
@@austinneece7853 no they dint
When talking about elephant i think many people in the west only think of scenarios involving Greeks or Carthage but forget the elephant have been in warfare in india longer, india and south east Asia should provide a look into elephants in the warfare.
“Why y’all Italians not like that?” Well as an Italian i would like to say that there’s differences between Romans and Italians
Solo nell'ethos
35:44 only between superiors and inferiors. Not those of equal rank.
They thought of relations as dominant party and submissive one. Not preferences.
Carthage also went down the coast of West Africa
"30,000 must have been so much back then..." You just wait German ginger man. Just wait.
When he said "1 more year for the next video" I went in sad mode immediately
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Honestly though, that painting of Saturn eating his own kiddo is some Attack on Titan level shit.
Man… woman doesn’t matter living in these times would have been awful for almost everyone
when you think about it.if you make a mistake once you die. how the hell you can grown a great commander with out a single lose in a war? by the end of each war they have to replace the whole roster of commander i think.
Markoni carried again
Roman Enemy reacts to Rome
Great video Tommy! Keep up the great work! I love Oversimplified and I think it's great your watching his videos. Now we just have to wait another year and a half for part 2!
10:12 my teacher actually does 💀💀
for anyone wondering Carthage had to pay the equivilent of 128 billion dollars in 10 years. (hence why it was so terrible for them) especially seeing as the previous amount was 88 billion in 20 years. (so from 4.4 billion a year to 12.8 billion a year)
Am I crazy or didn’t tommy have more subs than this
Looking back,its pretty absurd that a bunch of German tribals managed to do what Carthage and her grand fleet failed to accomplish
Please go back to ck2 videos its so interesting and entertaining its the perfect combination between War lore and family Please consider making a ck2 video ck3 is uhhh well still in its diapers
Please play kasikstan in millennium dawn or a contry that broke off when the soviet union collapsed
Leviticus 19:22 "Thou shalt watch oversimplified videos when he hath spoken"
15:30 Knowing how romans reacted when they lost this battle it probably wouldn't have changed anything
I vote for the Norse-African Carthage Revival in Crusader Kings 💪😎
There's one thign that oversimplified got very wrong in teh video. Rome didn't forcefully conqure all of the nations on it's borders in the italian region. If they tried that, they would of been destroyed. 1 city alone can't take on an entire reagion like that. They actually diplomatically annexed quite a few of it's neighbors. That's how they got enough strength to take on it's enemies. They promised protection and security from other cities in exhange for annexation which many agreed to
TommyKay constantly denying the insane numbers in ancient armies is kinda annoying. Sure they were exaggerated by historians, slightly, but not from 10k to 100k, it would've been more like 80k to 100k, or 5k to 10k. Plus, we have archaeological evidence of huge ancient armies, so I don't understand why Uneducated Andy here is so vehement.