Shotgun Cartridge Basics: Clay Loads
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2021
- Today Jonny explains Shotgun Cartridge Basics more specifically Clay Loads. What are your go-to clay dusters?
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The more I watch your videos my respect for your honesty, knowledge, ability to present your opion, Passion , and candor grows.
You obviously started at a young age and paid attention to details others miss.
I really enjoy your partnership with Loyd Patterson. You two bring a great balance to a presentation.
It is obvious that the U.K. is way ahead on knowledge of product and effect that different styles of the same product line gives the shooter.
We lack the product at the shooting clubs. The ability to pick up a shot gun and shoot a few rounds to compare.
I wish that somebody would give us this option on this side of the pond. My club members are great at letting you shot their guns. But your options on the same maker is far superior than ours.
Keep up the great content and I will keep sharing it with my freinds that are just starting also.
Thankyou for your kind words 🙏
Great video Jonny
I use a lot of different shells and this explanation hits it on the head totally.
Some of them do hold together better at bigger distances and they seem to be harder impacts . Some of the powders used burn hotter as well.I do notice when I swap them about on different targets.
Another great teaching session, makes total sense, well done!!
Reloads , reloading your own ? I reload my own 30-06 rifle ammo and it took a lot of time to get the right cartridge , the right primer , the right powder , the right bullet , the right re sizing , and then the right amount of powder to give consistent sub inch accuracy at 100yds etc . I have only recently started to dable in reloading 12g . I know one thing , the more I learn the more I realise the more I need to learn . I don’t think it will improve my score much but it’s a journey all the same . It certainly isn’t cheaper than buying factory cartridges but it does give me a feel of confidence in shooting my own . Have you tried reloading , do you have the time . You are right though , consistency is the key , using the same gun , the same cartridges will give you that consistency . Thanks for another video , very informative and interesting 🤔
When i started back in 85 a box of record cartridges was only 2 pounds a box, 70m and loads of kick!
I've found over the year's to keep to the same shell's as different speed's can mess up your judgement, but this is just me.great video again. Cheers
Always enjoy your vids and opinions JC. Keep them coming 👍
It is hard to give a suggestion, which shotgun is the best. Yesterday I tested Sellier & Bellot Super Parcours 28gr. 2,5 mm vs. Clever T4 Revolution, 28 Gr. 2,5 mm.
We shot the carridges from a Beretta 692 with cylinder (Skeet) Shokes.
On a distance of 40 - 50 Meters both cartridges worked. But the Sellier & Bellot was a real "Clay duster". Even on this distance! The recoil was a little higher, but 450 m/s (as described in the catalogue) is an impressive argument! I love this cartridge!
Absolutely best explanation I have ever listened to!
Whatever throws the best pattern with the gun/choke combo you want to use.
Baikal on sporting clays with Rio Target load no8s dose a great job smoking clays 1/4 and 1/2 choke I got a pimped up baikal palmswell and a stock extension and titanium nitrate gold colonial chokes from the usa and a truglo Pro red sight, I love it never let me down pal 👍 👍
Very interesting hearing this shot comparison from the sporting side. Most of my shotgunning is done for upland or waterfowl. Here in the U.S. nontoxic shot is a requirement for waterfowl and most states require it for upland as well.
The older gents constantly lament the switch from cheap and effective lead to expensive (~$50us/25) Bismuth loads that offer similar density to lead. Tungsten and steel tungsten mixes run about $10 cheaper but are sometimes hard to find. Steel at
~$20us/25 is by far the more common choice and while much harder than lead the density of the steel alloy doesn't allow it to carry as much energy out to those longer ranges and requires the hunter to finish game much closer than lead or bismuth allow.
Friend of mine shots a baikal full and extra full with 27gr super fasts on pigeons one of the best shots I’ve seen.
Haha “pish”. Just a thought - you should have some dummy rounds/snap caps made up to match the weight of a proper cartridge for when you test the balance point on shotguns, to more accurately match the balance when loaded and bring the balance point more towards the hinge pin. Keep up the good work Jonny, I reckon you guys are the best thing to happen to shooting for years
I don’t really shoot sporting clays traditionally like this, I’m an exhibition shooter who uses a semi Benelli, but this channel is so good I just want to watch it all day! Great work
brilliant explanations thanks, I've just subscribed.
At my local club, the regular top gun only ever uses English sporter from Lyalvale. I can't get on with them myself but proves that cartridge performance is mostly in the shooter's mind.
What a really sensible,helpful video. I am stressing over entry level and Blue Diamond. I will now go for Blue Diamond!
Tony M Berkshire.
The Sovereign Parcours Extreme Range in 6.5 are amazing. 1600fps they are little animal cartridges but they are not brutal on the shoulder, I use them for everything, from DTL to game shooting.
They used to make a fibre wad version that was insane. When they stopped I bought the last 10k and cried when I used the last one. Great for all clays, pigeons and sub 40 yard game
Thanks. You already said that, but please let's not forget that above a certain speed, extremely
fast and high pressure cartridges will patern clearly worse than a normal fast cartridge. Similarly we also know that very high loads in game cartridges do also pattern worse than a normal load (30, 32 grams)
I’ve never noticed a difference in performance between pro fibre or super fast,I think it’s as you say about confidence. George Digweed just uses a middle of the the road cartridge and stuck with it for years.
Very informative video!
"Same reason I don't shoot a baikal" 😆 maybe this video should come with a trigger warning ⚠️
😂 i couldn’t help it
Nice explanation it would be good to see if they perform differently on a pattern plate at different ranges maybe a future video pal. 👍 Also maybe a long range 24gram vs 28gram see what the gaps in the pattern are. 👍
I use power blue 28 g 7.5 for clays and they do well !
Fantastic cartridge. I've used them in size 7.5 and 8 shot in 28g and everything I've put them through has shot well with them. Brilliant if you want to smash clays with a semi auto.
You should do a round of sporting clays with an absolute pro shooting a dirt cheap cartridge and entry level gun vs. you shooting the best cartridge and gun you can get. See what happens.
Dear Johnny
I fully agree about most issues you mentioned.
Only a remark about high antimony shot.
While it works great balistically, an environmental issue is swiped. These shots makes the lead by far most bio available, becoming mobil and dangerous.
As I consider lead shot intrinsequely not dangerous when properly managed.
For more, lead shot is possibly intended to be reclaim.
(I have been agent for 7 years in plomb and ecologic company dedicated to this purpose).
Nice moment when watching you at Bisley where I concluded a contract 8 years ago.
In my opinion, the danger comes from high antimony shots, very acidic soil and the use of steel shots after lead shots.
( Oxydo reduction ) and the rust solves the lead and ....
Very known in belgian grounds.
Sorry for being long and apologize my poor english.
Really enjoy your videos Mate, ,, Sorry, in the US a lot of ranges allow 1.125 oz (32g) especially here out west. Fortunately for me, I grew up very close to a trap range. To save money we would reload. Also, helped with consistency. I see the amount you shoot, have you ever considered it?
Very interesting, thank you...
One problem with shot sizes is there is no set international standard , eg: a 2.4mm pellet is a 7 in Australia , a 7½ in USA and Europe and a 6½ in the UK . The same differences follow for all shot sizes .
I measured 10 shot from cartridges labeled 7½ and the average size was , Rio (Spain) 2.29mm, Winchester AA (Australia) 2.27mm , RC (Italy) 2.29mm , Federal Premium (USA) 2.37mm , Federal Top Gun (USA) 2.48mm, Eley (UK ) 2.46mm , Falcon Olympic ( New Zealand made from Fiocchi components ) 2.41mm .
So there is a fair amount of difference between makes and within makes . It would be nice to have an international standard .
To get around the confusion, and as we use ammo from all over the World ,New Zealand has a maximum size of 2.5mm for clay target shooting
If you are unsure of your shot hardness get two different pellets , put them on a flat surface , using pliers carefully squeeze them together , the hard one will go through the softer one .
Jonny,buying a gun is not difficult,just buy a miroku😉😉👍
I think a Krieghoff is a better choice personally
@@robertweinstein6441 You stick with your choice,i will stick with mine,many thanks👍
Iż 27?
Buy a Beretta 👌
@@kerm9807 never
Being a Yankee I had to look up quid. It's like calling a dollar a buck in the US. Quid = Pound. OK, continue watching video 😊
Yea, and They don't pronounce the letter Z (zee) They pronounce it (Zed)... Strange
Gamebore HV+ ...... 26g load, plastic 7.5s ....1500fps best shells ive tried!!!!
This is how I see it ... I'm pretty cheap with most things in life. I'm always trying to save a buck. I love guns, I love shooting and I want the gun industry and shooting ranges to do well. If there is one place I don't mind spending a few extra dollars, it's at the gun shop / gun range.
If a good box of shells only costs a little bit more ... spend the money. You are supporting like minded people and you get a slightly better shell and therefore a better experience.
I buy better shells than my buddies and they think I'm wasting my money. But they go spend 20-30 bucks on beer after we shoot and I don't ... and I think they are wasting money.
PS - I break more clays than all of my buddies.
A Top FITASC shooter once said to me.." They all break them...Some break them better than others!"....I have noticed over last 10 years-ish how cartridges have `come on` using less choke .. Ive had amazing breaks at range using Skeet n quarter!! EVEN 24gms ...
I live by Gamebore white gold 9s for skeet, 7.5s for sporting, I have some black gold 6.5's for the really long range stuff they sometimes put on the range. I also shoot dirt cheap super steels for skeet sometimes but if I want to be serious its WG all day.
How many shotguns do you have all caliber from 410 cal to 10 cal.
Antimony is a very strange metal in that it actually expands as it cools. It is harder, but this ability to expand maintains the shot size after manufacture, therefore aiding consistency and pattern downrange.
With respect to striking energy, the cheaper pellets with less antimony will have a higher lead content which means the pellets will weigh more individually & therefore would surely mean more kinetic energy?
I understand higher antimony means less pellet deformation in the air which would impact the pattern shape with flyers but looking at striking ‘power’ alone then surely the cheaper shot would actually hit harder.
Would be interested to see your thoughts on that! Great video as always John
Higher Antimony content might also make those charges slightly more dense for shot count vs their mass for the same weight charge .You might only get 10 extra pellets by weight ( for a high antimony alloy vs pure lead), but they might be the difference in the pattern's effectiveness. However, your premise is mostly correct imho: a pellet with more mass at the same velocity will carry/transmit more energy to the target. The catch here is that if you are weighing each individual pellet in comparison, the mass difference is marginal to almost infinitesimal to the impact energy transmitted, especially ones as small as size 7 1/2 and smaller.
I definitely agree with your assessment of hardness preventing deformation as applies to pattern preservation. The external ballistics of tiny lead spheres and spheroids is fun... but also has a lot of random mechanics that make one's head hurt.
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@@scottcrawford3745 fair play mate, great reply. I do shoot Dark Storm 9’s & 7.5’s for my clay loads competitively and they are phenomenal… but I’ve dusted no end of targets with the cheap old velocity’s. I think the main point is obviously getting the lead in the right place but yeah, just interesting to consider there are actually arguable benefits to less antimony.
I've watched a couple of your cartridge comparison videos and I scream at the screen, "bring 5 ramicans to work, bloke, when you do these videos!!!" Seeing the shot roll all-over the table gets my OCD going. Great, informative videos, nonetheless.
Higher antimony levels in the shot do not contribute more kinetic energy and hence break clays better than lower antimony shot. Energy is about mass and velocity, hardness is not part of the physics equation. Higher antimony shot may work better because it resists deformation better when shot thus retaining shape and maintaining a greater portion of the original shot on target (less curveball flyers to reduce pattern density)
I have always been told it aids energy transfer onto the target at range. Need to test the theory out
So if two pellets at equal speeds hit a clay but one has a higher antimony and is more resiststant to deformation on impact, versus the other which deforms on impact more readily, what is the outcome?
@@JB-tc8el The harder shot that deforms less on impact will transfer more energy to the target. It takes energy to deform shot, and that is subtracted from the energy the shot transfers to the target. Simple physics.
I agree there is no difference in energy transfer between pure lead and lead/antimony alloy, as the energy transfer = mass x deceleration in this case. However, the higher hardness of antimony will produce a higher pressure on the clay and therefore better penetration characteristics. Pressure = force/area. It's like comparing a pure lead bullet and a steel core bullet of equal weight and speed. The high hardness steel projectile will not deform much on impact, therefore putting all of its energy on a small point, creating high pressure to punch through targets. Whereas a soft lead projectile will deform on impact, which spreads out the energy over a larger area, exerting less pressure on the target than its steel counterpart. Energy is also lost through the process of projectile deformation, so less energy is transferred to the target.
Gamebore white gold or hull fibre one which would you choose both 28g fibre?
Hi I’ve just started clay shooting and my local ground (Southdown gun club) use hull comp x for the clays for beginners….
I’m Just about to buy my 1st gun and was going to go with hull comp x for my cartridges, assuming this is a decent cartridge as it’s from a good manufacturer?
Thanks for videos been watching them and learning loads can’t wait to hit the range 👍🏻
None of that ammo you have in the UK is not sold here in the US, at least I have never seen it. I use Winchester and Federal shotshells.for my skeet shooting and upland bird hunting.
Good points but I normally shoot 10-20k annually and the price difference starts to be quite high. i shoot mainly skeet (international) and the difference between a competition cartridge and a quality practice cartridge can be 50-100%. And the most important thing is to practice and shoot a lot if you want to get better so the price of the competition cartridge would actually force you to shoot less which in turn is a bad thing
I shoot Ely select or Fiocchi light speed for clays. No problems.
Fiocchi tt two 24gram 7.5 for trap. Cheap and works just fine for amator like me.
What about the bespoke loads available from hull cartridge. There is an entire weeks overtime in it for sasha.
So just got my SG certificate, have my own clay pigeon trap to fly a few clays in the air... I go to a gun shop, what do I ask for? A general all rounder cartridge for clays?
I have just purchased a Webley and Scott 700 side by side; the chamber is stamped 2 1/2" (64mm) yet nearly all cartridges sold here in the USA are 2 3/4" (70mm) Can I shoot 70mm cartridges in a 64 mm chamber?
Bio Ammo doesn’t work. We we bought 4000.00 worth of them to go green and sent them all back. The hulls split in the guns, the base separated in the guns, and worst after 6 months left in the elements as a test they remained completely intact. No sign of dissolving.
have you tried re-loading tungsten shots or bismuth shots?
If you had pattern boards set up from say 20-50plus yards you would see some pattern density/ poi changes cartridge to cartridge no doubt about it, but in saying that in 7.5/28 1200fps plus and you will be hard pressed to see or feel a difference while shooting clays, shoot by nunbers not brands, if its a 7.5/ 28 its the one for me, ps a video on new vs old out shooting would be epic, 30yr old mirook vs new you know you want to
Did you try the Sovereign Steel? Lead shots are not allowed, even on clay grounds in Denmark. Don't remember ever seeing that brand here
Not yet. My experience with steel clay loads is pretty limited to be honest
Can you do a video with Big Dave Carrie!
He knows this shooting game inside out!!!
What cartridge would you recommend for a 100 year old Fabrique Nationale side by side? Would a lower gram count not mean less shot to hit etc? I used to shoot 32g superfasts through my Miroku but I think it would be to harsh on this one.
@@henrikjohansen7324 that's a good suggestion, what brand do you use? I always find sxs is about letting your instincts shoot, you can't really aim. Takes a bit of getting used to!
Wonder how much it will change when they ban lead shot and we have to use steel... I haven’t shot a plastic cartridge in ages it’s all fibre only.
Regarding whether to spend more or not a good idea is to buy a small amount of a few different ones and see if you can tell a difference with your gun at your skill level. The top shooters use top gear for one of two reasons. Either they are paid to by the manufacturer, or they can tell the difference. If you can't tell the difference then enjoy using the less expensive stuff until you get better. Someone who just learned to drive isn't going to drive better in a Porsche than in a Toyota Corrolla. But you might not need that much experience before you can tell the difference.
What about a review of a new cartridge company empire cartridge, they look very good.
I found that I shoot just as poorly with the higher price as I do with the lower end shells. Basically it all depends on what kind of day I having with how well I'm gonna shoot. I've shot really well with the cheaper big box store brand and the following day couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with either. Great information you put out though
Unfortunately good shells don’t cure all sins 😂
I have never seen a Fiber wad here in the States. Honestly I would use them simply because I could help keep the Public land, I hunt, a little cleaner.
Never seen a fibre wad 🤨 I figured they would be just as available
Fibre wads are readily available for reloaders. I use them in 16g for a tightly choked pre-WWI JP Sauer, in brass shotshells, and also in my flintlocks. They tend to have a more distributed pattern and those old guns were designed to be full/mod/ic with them rather than plastic wads.
Have target shells been as hard to find in England as in the US during Covid? I’ve been able to shoot but there have been times where the skeet range I frequent would only sell you what you shot in clays.
No problem finding them, but prices have gone up a bit. As well as home produced we get a lot of Italian and some French cartridges.
In SA its a matter of shoot what you can get. And when you can get you end up taking 2nd mortgage for a few cases.
Fun stuff. Well, since antimony is considerably less dense than lead and the retained energy down range is dependent on velocity and mass of the projectile, a high antimony content would actually be detrimental, your experience notwithstanding. In the old days, before plastic shot protectors, a higher antimony content made harder lead alloy shot. That meant that there was less deformity of the shot that made content with the barrel wall. It was (is?) believed that barrel wall friction was the mechanism by which choke produced its result. So, we wanted contact but didn't want deformity. Your 100 yd shot was a testament to your skill. An ordinary 12 ga cartridge will produce shot energies needed to break clays much farther...at least 130 yds.
A little bit like carbon in steel, a very small amount can have massive changes to the outcomes.
I think in reality it is utterly marginal, but if it’s one pellet on the edge of a pattern (due to lack of skill) that I’m depending on - I want that one pellet to give me the best chance of hitting the clay.
I feel a trip up the field and some sort of utterly unscientific test coming on!
And I think asking a 7.5 to break a 130 yard clay is big ask.... another trip to the field is necessary
@@tgsoutdoors I'll have to look up the actual record but I think the range was something close to what I indicated. Don't know the shot size used. Clearly larger size would carry more energy with lucky placement.
@@tgsoutdoors I strongly suspect that, with modern shot protectors, the effect is marginal at best. Obviously the move to steel makes the matter moot. But some testing would be fun. Perhaps soft lead and hardened lead through a full choke and NO shot protectors of any kind...shot in full contact with the inner walls of the barrels would be revealing to us old-timers.
@@tgsoutdoors Incidentally, today is Shakespeare's birthday. But being a Brit, you probably knew that.
Are you folks in the UK allowed to load your own shells? We in the US are allowed to do this and most of the serious Skeet shooters I know do load their own ammunition. With the Covid mess going on it's the only way to get ammunition at present and last weekend my club ran out of primers, so the 6000 I have on hand will have to do and I'm not sure if that will last a full year. BTW, a big plus for 410 is that it only costs about 3.30 USD for a box, so it's becoming a real favorite for practice.
Concerning Shot, there are typically just 2 choices. One is Chilled Shot which is the soft stuff, the other is Magnum Shot which is a high antimony hard shot and what is most common in my area. BTW, the hard shot has a lower density so the standard charge bars will throw just a bit light in terms of mass. One common tweak the serious Skeet Tournament shooters like to do is bore out the shot resevior just enough so that the correct weight is thrown, as in exactly 1/2, 3/4 , 7/8 and 1 ounce. The end result of doing this is more pellets, yeah it's only perhaps 2 or 3% but it only takes one pellet to score on a bird in Skeet.
@@gr-s2143 Not when it's a reload. My cost to reload a 410 really is $3.30 per box of 25. If I have to purchase a box to obtain some fresh hulls that cost is currently $14.00 per box. Once all the pandemic supply restrictions ease I'll be able to purchase Cheddite or Fiochi hulls to reload with and those only cost about 19 cents per hull. It's why I asked if folks across the pond were allowed to load their own ammunition.
Always buy the three brands usually available at Walmart.
Federal, Estate or Winchester.
Winchester is the only brand I've had failures with.
Bad crimps, low powered shells.
When you pull the Bones out of it ,,,, primer ,powder, wad , shot,,,,,,,,,A hell of a lot of marketing and pretty boxes aimed at people that dont know a lot.... same with fishing tackle nowadays,,,,,,its aimed at catching people ,not fish.
This is true, however if different companies are selling cartridges at £200 and one does more marketing, does this mean their cartridge is potentially lower quality?
@@tgsoutdoors You tell me ,,,,,,, but when you break it down ,,,,,,A primer is a primer,,,, Hardened shot has been around for years,,,,a fibre wad hasent changed much and neither has a plastic one really ,,,,,,,,,granted there's been an improvement on propellants ,,,,,,,,, a high brass looks good but really doesn't serve any purpose ,,,,, Maybe I'm just getting old and miserable
All the best,,,,,, ..................Humbug it all bullshit.
You are right. However we are blessed with a relatively limited supply of completely dog poo shotgun ammo making its way into the country, so getting hold of anything that isn’t of a good standard is hard.
@@tgsoutdoors Yup no more BAIKAL cartridges,,,,,had to palm slap em in your gun ,,,,,anything from a shot size 4 to an 8 in the same hull ,,,,,deafening report , field cannon recoil , cloud of smoke and an unharmed pigeon.
I agree with the fishing. My old Penn stuff just works better than my new Penn stuff.
Interesting video- at risk if sounding a little ' dense', am i still allowed to use lead shot ( i have no steel or bismuth) for clays? Have seen some doom & gloom vids recently and cannot get it out of my head. Would love to visit your shop when we can travel further afield.
Lead hasnt been banned yet, lead shot can be used for Clays or game providing you are not shooting over water.
@@kyebeaney8307 - ta much for that. Means i can run my stocks down without having to shell out- relief.
@@nickbitten6037 no worries, get out there and enjoy!
I use 32g 6 for everything other than game, keep it simple and you'll never be surprised
In Europe more and more in hunting steel-shot is mandated and in many countries for clays also. Price differentials across brands and "levels" within brands seem to be about the same, does this mean that the quality of the cups/wads justify these price differences? I would hate to see BOTH steel-shot AND fibre-wads mandated that would surely increase barrel wear significantly wouldn't it?
Were you shooting at Grimsthorpe with Ed Solomons? If so hope there is a video to come soon. 😁
About 4 videos filmed together. The man is solid gold
@@tgsoutdoors Brilliant! Look forward to it.
Cheaper ammunition recoils more that’s the one down side I’ve come across spending £20/30 a 1000 more really does get you more as for regular shot vs diamond shot I’m not sure I buy into it
What is the distance most of your targets are shot at?
You should do some blind 'tastings' to cut through the hype and gimmicks.
I have a theory that sticking with the same old cartridge, same chokes etc and simply focusing everything on shot placement pays off the best. Sure a lot of people distract themselves.
Totally agree, Iv done that with friends I shoot with and they didn’t notice any difference other than the wadding..
I shot a massive event in the uk with fiber and the superfast cartridges and got 4th place in class
Hey,,, I just bought a Baikal SxS 20 Gauge. 🤷
In North America we have "tapered" cases made by Remington & Winchester AA. Are those not a thing in Europe?
We do have some, but are less common. :-)
I used to be undecided, but now ime not so sure. Ive shot lorry fulls of just about everything made, and after fifty plus years I still havent found the best cartridge, but maybe next week.
They all miss
You must have a muse for all these good 😌 ideas 💡 😂😂😂
If by muse you mean ‘giant manc’ then maybe
AGUILA
For those of us in America, the ISSF (International Shooting Sports Foundation) uses 12 gauge, 7/8 ounce loads of whatever shot you desire (mostly 7.5 to 9). Of course, variations exist.
6:50 our game vet told us about .410 wad disease, basically .410 plastic wads are the perfect size to jam up a duck throat. I think he said hes only seen it twice or something and hes a pretty big game vet so I don't think plastic wads are too much of an issue in terms of animals.
Just in terms of the de-plastification of the world 🌎
£220 for a 1000 only 2 years ago. Price changes are worrying
I primarily shoot at lains meaning its compx all the way baby
Here in the states it’s hard to find anything at this moment no matter the quality and we’re hoping that’ll change soon. That being said our big three is the best you can buy imho. Sure it’s trendy and cool to have some euro shells in your clays cart but none break clays any harder at our distances and they aren’t worth the extra coin. Besides it’s all going up in price so if you can break more clays with more affordable ammo then you get to “break MORE clays”. See what I did there😂😂
Wait what? That cant be right. Here in Europe all the American cartridges are hard to find and more expensive? Plus dont break Clay's any better. What gives hahaha :-D.
Also you guys seem to use more double based powders which sometimes can be quite 'dirty'. :-D
Steve I’m with you bro this artificial ammo shortage/price increase is such BS. I hope these asshole dealers get what’s coming to them.
The biggest factor in my experience is, PRACTICE! Shoot your guns, learn your guns limitations with your ammo and the confusion goes out the window, I know how cheaper ammo works as well as my more expensive ammo performs, so, I can go out and bang out a box of clay's with cheap ammo and save my more expensive for when I go kill game.
Don't shoot a baikal, lol. I bet you are a Miruko man... very interesting... i have tried a few shells lately until I started using Eley select 28g size 8, Which have been good. but now have bought Eley Olympic blues because they are faster (for the longer targets) maybe I should have got some 7's or 6's for the longer shots....
Most ranges in America limit the shot size to 7.5
Factory clear pigeon 12g 30g about 34p a cartridge from a 250 slab at £85 at John Beswick’s .
My own reloads , used Eley Olympic Blue 70mm hull , 6 shot steel 30 gram , cci 209 primer , vps plastic wad , Herco powder 25 grains . My time about 1 hour to resize and load 50 . Cost about 27p per cartridge .
Is it worth it , I’m not sure 🤔 .
£8.50 a box for factory and shoot 10 boxes once a week is £85 per week that about £4420 a year .
Reloads about £6.75 a box and again 10 boxes a week that is £67.50 weeks works out at £3510 a year .
A saving of £910 a year but that’s not taking into account my time , however I do like reloading , it’s therapeutic and nothing like smoking a clay with your own reload .
🤔 , helps you to understand the differences in powders , shot size and type , primer brands , wad types and brands to get the desired result .
Not for everyone I know but worth a second look 😁
Because of my age I'm dropping down to 24 gm then maybe 21 gm before I pack in.
? What does TSG stand for ?
UA-cam has a habit of unsubing me to the great few subscriptions I have. I have a feeling its intentional, before this you were showing up in my feed before subbing to you.
You and your quid. Lol. When you went over that, you were talking about 1000 cases, then broke it down-- were you breaking it down to a box, or per shell? How much is a box of 25 GOOD shells vs 25 meh shells? I can figure out the per/round price from there and do the exchange rate (I'm in the States, obvs). TIA By the by, I did a little searching and, unfortunately, it doesn't appear as if we're able to obtain shells of the quality of Hull Cartridges here...alas....
Whilst I was shooting Olympic Trap in Italy and speaking to the Italian shooters, the consensus was that they are not cartridge "speed obsessed" like we are over here.
However, they are obsessed to get a good pattern. I was told in no uncertain terms that getting cartridges going too fast, blows holes in the pattern. (Makes sense)
Also they have Summer and Winter cartridges. I must confess I had never heard of this before.
What is a qwid?
21g is so small. That’s 3/4oz, right?
I don’t even know if you can get a shell that small in the US
It’s possible to find 7/8oz (24g) but no one shoots them.
1oz (28g) is readily available
Everyone shoots 1 1/8oz (32g)
Why such a difference in the states? Are y’all’s shoulders just soft? 😊
What do you think is the ideal weight (assuming #8 shot)?
If you compete it’s a question of getting the best you can afford that works best in your gun. If you don’t compete go with the cheapest
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1300-1600 FPS equals a few inches difference on a clay at say 30 yards I saw someone do the ballistic calculation s while ago if you miss with the one you would miss with the other.
try a load of cartages see what pattens well. get used to the cartrage, shoot more trigger time is king and get some lessons so you know what you are doing why you are missing.
I'll add that right now (Jan. 2, 2022), a box of utterly mundane, unexciting target/clay shells is running roughly £7.50 per box.
The best cartridge is the cheapest and tje one that hits it i found no difference untill i make some 1500 ftpersecond with 3 qarter oz of shot
7.5 1200 fps 12ga is what I go with