Nah Bruh You haven't watched Russian war movies yet , especially recent movie . I will not you the name but give you the hint to visit history legends.
❤So the Pres must have gone rogue because he only allowed two terms,,id say at the polls he lost and the opposing peoples choice who should be the new pres got shafted,prob assassinated ,,hence all the citizens have gone F you mr 3rd term,were coming for you,,obviously pres 3rd term does not believe in the constitution cause he said the citezens should be fighting with the same weapons that the first civil war was fought with ,,,which aggravates the people cause Mr third term is using all modern weapons,,,,i hope mr 3rd term gets iced in the end !LOL
@@bluejaysfan965 I thought that little town was West Virginia. They saw the overpass before that and they had to drive through Pittsburgh to get to West Virginia. I just figured since it happened before that town, they were in Pittsburgh when they saw it.
lol literally didn't see the 2 bodies hanging from the bridge until the last half second. I was so confused why they were spending time on a bridge with "Let's go steelers" on it
@@kellynolen498 well, post soviet or newer generations of soviet designs. the fact there are multiple camo patterns popular in both militaries and both militaries private purchase gear and kit from companies in either country doesn't make PID any easier.
I was totally not surprised to find that instead of a gritty combat movie, it was a movie about journalists making an entire civil conflict about themselves. Classic.
I respect reporters. you know people who do nothing but report the facts. I despite Journalists and I consider them the source of everything that is wrong with today. Their desire to peddle opinions as facts and their willingness to slant the truth for their own ideals is why the world went to shit.
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 i guess you don't realize that the military is made up of american citizens... most will not comply with orders to kill their fellow americans.
Felt like 2 hours of Kirsten Dunst reluctantly escorting a teenager through a warzone and trying to prevent her from making dumb decisions that gets everyone killed. Fails.
Oh and then she makes a dumb decision in the end. The irony. Pushes her out of the way and then just stands in the same spot that she pushed her out of.
That's probably what pissed me off more than anything!! These are war journalists, so they've been to war zones, however, they take off into a potential bad situation completely unarmed?!?! That made zero sense to me, how they thought their press badges were some kind of armor. Such a horrible movie.
@Lazysundays9083 Believe it or not journalists that go into warzones don't bring weapons. Syrian civil war has tons of journalists that are unarmed completely. Also how they get killed tbh
I mean pretty much everyone in the movie is liberal and we all know they aren’t good at listening so maybe they’ve mastered the art of disabling hearing 😂
The thing about the militia mass grave is that when you look at his fatigues, he has no patches or monikers. Those guys were unaffiliated posing as a military force
Yep. They had no sides. they were just taking the opportunity during the chaos of war to fulfill their self-righteous idea of "cleansing the country" of foreigners of a nationalities. You see a lot of that during the clusterfuck of civil war.
@@damienrobertson1593 You can bet your bottom dollar that if anything like this happens ... Billy Bob and his crew will be out in the pickup truck to sort out long standing grudges ...... right across America !
eh has some kind of patch. Lore of the movie basically China supports some separatist states via trade so the loyalists go apeshit and these guys are affiliated with them and they're of course bad because 'muh yellow man evil
ik its unrealistic but could be that they wanted the fame, they're already wearing 'tacticool' gear and they're clearly meant to represent some rogue sf squad even if some of the things they did were beyond stupid. They might've just wanted their faces to be on the front page.
This is a classic example of a movie getting made the way the director wants it to but the studio realizing that it's too niche so they force a bunch of dishonest marketing
@@ElBandido_1 for real. my wife and friend were disappointed because they expected more of a soldier's/war perspective because the trailers made it that way... but i knew it was going to be from the journalist's perspective and i really enjoyed it.
All you weirdos are just confused that it takes place from the journalist perspective. Objective, no spin. You see the whole story unfold and make your own narrative.
Yall Just don't pay attention to trailers 🤷🏽♂️💯 what made you think it there was war scenes consistently thru out the film ? I saw only 2 set pieces in the trailer and that's what we got !!!
The most unbelievable part of the movie is with all the soldiers just letting random journalists get in their way while they are fighting for their lives. They are constantly in the way the entire movie.
the reason we ever get good combat in recent hollywood is because all the people who know their stuff are on the right so they hire people like that armorer for rust or that navy guy who can't figure out which side the scope as consultants.
My major issue is with the journalist's armor - it looks like theyre all wearing soft 3A armor in an active CQB war zone where everyone is using rifle cartridges. Its like wearing a heavy sweater for protection at that point. Also, at the end when Mary Jane dies, shes shot with an MP5 - the only weapon in the entire movie that her armor would actually protect her against, and she dies instantly.
My only possible justification for that is they were using AP 63 9mm in the MP5 cause body armor was so damn widespread, but I don't have any clue of that round would do anything against III but it definitely pen IIIA
I’ve never understood the right to bear arms idea that it only applies to what our founders carried in the revolution…..our army and militia forces were equipped with the same style of weaponry in that day and age, so naturally we should have access to a comparable level of firepower as the military by that logic.
@@Willy_Tepes if you can’t see it then💀 by that logic we should also get t nuclear bombs, and no offense but if you can’t see why we shouldn’t have missiles then I wouldn’t want you to have a nuclear bomb either. Yknow if no one is fighting to let civilians have missiles it’s probably for a reason bud
@@SanLeMans Now you are just using the slippery slope argument. What's not to love about missiles, or rockets, or drones, or guns, or even cannons? As long as you are not a criminal, I don't see why the government should be bothered by a population that if proficient in firearms use. I see that as a benefit militarily. The US was based on a militia in the early days. Every able bodied male was part of the militia. This is important to supplement a standing army in war time. Nothing is worse than having to train a lot of people who know nothing and have no experience. If you are concerned about criminals getting guns, we should solve THAT problem. Just reduce crime. Everyone knows how that is done. Society is to lenient on violent criminals, and governments do little to tackle crime. Sometimes it even seems like they are tolerating and facilitating crime. The social policies and economic policies of the government also create poverty and wealth disparity. I think the real issue is that corruption goes to the very top of politics, and that is why nothing is done about crime. They are themselves criminals. Maybe that is why they don't want us armed?
the movie obviously is against the right, but they are so embarrassed by the behavior and ideology of their own side, and so afraid of alienating half the country, they did a both sidism.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 exactly, their side has been droning American citizens overseas and not a peep. They made the president seem like Trump but Biden is the one threatening to use F16’s(maybe F22) against civilians.
I wear Hawaiian shirts every summer-it’s part of my shtick and I’ve done it for years. When the Boog Bois started getting national press I started getting wired looks in public and I realized that I was inadvertently wearing a “uniform” now. Eventually I decided “F it”, their politics aren’t that different from my own anyway and I was the OG to boot. Still get weird looks though.
"I see the Texas forces using a different uniform to stand out [from the federal forces]" In the real Civil War, in the battle of Palmito Ranch, TX Confederates and Union soldiers wore the same blue uniforms ... and yes, it was a clusterfvcc
Same at the Battle of Wilsons Creek in Missouri in August 1861. Some Confederate forces still had blue uniforms while others had grey and marched into battle towards the Union forces at a key moment in the battle. Union commander in that area saw the blue uniforms marching towards his position and was hoping beyond hope that they were expected re-inforcements but knew that Union forces should not have been coming from that direction. Once he realized his mistake, it was too late, and the Confederate forces overwhelmed his position, thus losing the battle.
2 things that make the movie unrealistic: Texas and California are on the same side of an issue The journalists are unbiased good-hearted individuals who just want what's best for the country
All journalists aren’t bad. This is a weak argument. It’s like saying ever asian likes noodles and rice. And i think the lack of backstory makes the movie good. It’s not an action movie focusing on epic fights and impressive weapons. It’s an anti-war movie made to make you feel repelled towards gunfighting and killing. And the motive for starting the civil war was likely so powerful that the states chose to put their differences away and attempt to get rid of the president.
And the majority of Californian more in the mountain area and high desert are actually somewhat rightwing . To play on there are blue citys not state . plus gov newsom is a butthole.
war reporters* they aren't journalists its made pretty well known throughout the movie that they are war reporters which are highly respected and often don't have a bias but simply want to show the reality on the ground
BLANK ammo. That is what they look like in reality for the M249 5.56mm Squad Automatic Weapon and M240 7.62mm Machine Guns. Thought the same thing as you did until looked closer.
18:20 OMG! I just realized that that scene with those soldiers at the roof tops keeping that town safe, was a reference to the roof top Koreans who fought in Korea Town when the L.A riots were happening!
The sound design of the gunshots was the best part of the movie for me. It felt like I was actually in the middle of D.C. as the perimeter of the white house slowly collapsed. The sniper scene didn't work that well though due to the lack of sonic delay.
Nah, 240b sounded like trash and the m2 didn’t sound or perform like 50cal does. 9mm being shot by the secret service magically goes through body armor in a specific scene. No actual use of cover throughout the movie.
What disappointed me was in the end I'm like ok President isn't in the Beast but it's a decoy, President is still inside the building but not, he's for sure gonna be in the PEOC bunker right? Right? What? They dragged him out from behind the Resolute Desk in the oval office???? The fuck?
Yep. That's what I thought too. I'm pretty sure the White House has its own secure bunker. Maybe the director was running out of time and just wanted to end the movie at that point
@@juliomaldonado4028 it does, it's called the PEOC, it's directly underneath the White House and is nuclear hardened and designed for legit end of the world can't bug out on AF1 type things so when that outer perimeter started getting assaulted, the President 'should' have been moved into the bunker and secured while Secret Service continued to fight and try to repell the assaulters but guess hiding under a desk was the go to lol
Remember at the end they wanted to reach an agreement for the President's surrender? They had him close by assuming they'd want him alive to reach a surrender agreement. They didn't consider they were there to just shoot him on the spot.
The lack of NODS in hollywood drives me insane. The biggest one that got me was in Halo, you have super soldiers and Spartan armor but you still have helmet mounted flashlights, what the hell
Well Halo has the VISR system for Spartans and ODSTs, which is like nightvision and an IFF system built into the helmet's visor. If we're talking the Halo show then idk, never saw it.
You really don’t need NODs if the city lights are still working. NODs would only come to play in areas like alleyways or other low lit areas. Also, the rebel forces are not professional soldiers, they’re just civilians with firearms and the majority of civilians don’t know anything about basic infantry movements/battle drills. They’re winging it.
what I see from trailer: constant action with some journalism photography what i get: ford excursion commercial, red glasses, the beast chase that didnt last 10 seconds, the most underwhelming white house shootout
The shootout wasn’t meant to be overwhelming, flashy and scenic. The movie was made to make the viewer despise war. The characters don’t get last words, or falls to the ground in slow-motion. They are alive, and they get shot, and fall to the ground, dead. Just like in real life. Simple and disturbing. There is confusion and noise everywhere. And that’s what’s supposed to be.
14:00 I think it’s obvious: a segment of the American military did not blink when ordered to deliberately target civilians with airstrikes. Anyone in the military that didn’t defect or desert after the reality of such an action hit home are probably not viewed in any redeemable light.
Facts, you seen what the Chechens did to the Russians during the first round, that’s what would happen to them if it ever came to it, our numbers are to high
Their is a reson they want woke libe in the military 20 years ago the military would not atack their own but they are changing it so the military will in fact fight to disarm the Vivian population . This is why you cant get in with basic maintainable health issues brut they will pay for your sex change surgery and pay for a man to cut off his balls and wair makeup 😉
The scene where the boogaloos are trying to be stealthy and they are shining their lights into a room where they haven’t been yet definitely had me feeling cringy lol
yeah... its a bunch of untrained (clearly) militia dudes though. Im more so bothered by the govt forces surrendering to a militia... last time that happened was mogadishu... and we know how that went.
@@Man_fay_the_Bru if they had rainbow hair before the war hair dye probably isn’t exactly in stock to re-dye it so it’s easier to just cut it, also it kinda blended in with the grass ngl
“Why wouldn’t you just drop a jdam on the whitehouse?” I dunno probably because the whitehouse has a literal nuclear fallout bunker and is interconnected via tunnel system to surrounding buildings.
Yeah, but he wasnt in that bunker. They didnt even check the bunker, youd think that they would have looked there first but no, they knew he wouldnt be there. So by their thinking, it still would have made more sense to jdam it.
@@jetcox6760yeah its explained super quick that the generals and stuff loyal to the president issued a stand down order and then hid in the PEOC bunker, so woulda honestly made since the bomb the shit out of the WH, maybe they didn't want to destroy the white house due to symbolic stuff
@@GRANOLA77 Danny Archer was Leonardo DiCaprio’s character in “Blood Diamond.” Admin made a video about drawing inspiration from his character within the last few months.
Let’s also not forget that Mary Jane Watson gets merc’d by a 9mm round while wearing “Kevlar” (wasn’t a headshot, she straightened up and popped her shoulders back after being hit) - the same kind of vest that, way back in act 1, she instructs the new girl to be wearing if she wants to survive being a war photojournalist.
Armor only works in very specific instances when it comes to movies and TV shows. There have been just a handful of characters where armor actually did its thing.
so there’s this crazy ammo called armor piercing ammo, and 556 pdw’s which i would assume the secret service has while protecting the president, also a lot of armors come unprotected in the back side or less protected bc you’re always supposed to be facing the fire with armor on
I liked Matt Walsh's comment on this movie: "It is most unrealistic, if for nothing else, just purely because of the absurd idea that modern Americans actually still have strong convictions, to the point that they are willing to die for them." (paraphrased)
Honestly from the breakdown it seems like this would of been better as a tv or miniseries so that you can get the decay of society in a gradual way and can flesh out the conflict. The movie is just "Wouldn't this be shocking?!"
The thing I did like about the “he’s trying to kill us and we are trying to kill him” line, was that I feel like in a civil war situation or even an actual war situation, that’s really what it would boil down to at many points if you got into 1 on 1 combat. Sides don’t matter, stories don’t matter, orders don’t matter. You just want to be the one who makes it home. The rest is fluff.
One thing to note about coups and keeping the leader alive: anyone with understanding of modern doctrine would understand that keeping that leader alive is so important. The leaders of a movement like this would never issue a kill order because having even a kangaroo court trial and forcing the leader to formally renounce leadership goes a long way to securing power after the conflict is over. If the leader dies, diehard supporters all around the country might be more emboldened to rally around the martyred leader.
Che Guevara was captured with the help of the CIA. The CIA told the local troops not to kill him but they did it anyways. The same went for Saddam Hussein. There has always been a disconnect between the troops and the commanders in that regard.
Who knows, maybe they will then pull an Iraq 2003 and alienate the remaining loyalist military instead of doing a reconstruction like Lincoln did. Pretty much just keeping the war going.
We don't have the exact details, but they DID intentionally off Osama Bin Laden, when it seems like they could have done a capture, and such a capture could have provided a lot of closure for a lot of people, so there are counter examples to the capture choice.
thats really disappointing that they didnt give any back story as to why there was a civil war. i think all of us wanted to know wtf would make texas and cali work together lol
that’s literally one of the only things they do explain in the movie, the government overreached and centralized too hard, that’s one thing that both texas and cali have in common, they both appreciate governments that don’t kill press or air strike civilians
My friend and i spent longer after the movie discussing it. We came to all the same conclusions as you, with one addition. Early on, mary jane insist the freeloader girl wears a vest so she doesnt catch a stray round and get her off button pushed. Then, at the end, mary jane, wearing a vest that seems to be front and back, takes a couple pistol caliber rounds to the back and is dropped like a sack of potatoes. Made absolutely no sense to me. Also, the abrams barrel was not stablized while driving over the road block. Also also, there was no rotor wash on the ground from the apache at ground level
Apparently a dude from 75th ranger regiment was their military advisor and either he was a fake, the worst ranger in military history, or the director didn’t listen to anything…
Or they used his training to make sure the actors didn't do everything properly to demonstrate how all those meal team six rangers would do things in reality.
It's a movie. Just a movie. If you make things realistic in a war movie then it got pretty boring. Final battle scene of saving private ryan is loaded with a tons of non senses, but...its awesome and intense! Thats it, it makes a good movie.
The movie should have been named “objective lense” or “Parallax” or something due to the audience seeing as much info as the camera photo can portray. It was professional clickbait to get butts in seats. It had nothing for fun nerds, nothing for narrative story enjoyers, and nothing for political pundits. It was basically a Seinfeld episode of “war is bad mmmmmkay”
@@me.ne.frego. Not one time did they bring up exposure, camera preferences, or really anything technical involving photography. I'm an enthusiast of both and the movie had nothing for me in either regard. I think the other most ridiculous part of the movie consists of them all being film developing hipsters when the "money shot" could easily be pulled from recorded footage, and you would get paid more in journalism for full footage + photos pulled from said footage. Iwo Jima flag wasn't a photo, it was a still from footage.
@@AikonikBoy I didn't saw the movie so I take your word on it. I'm a gun and camera nut and noted the girl is prominently rocking a Nikon FM 35mm manual camera, that's like going into combat using a Mauser bolt action only for hipster points.
i think it stayed vague in the explanation of "how we got here" because it doesn't want to tell THAT story, they just wanted to portray what it would look like AFTER we already got through that.
@@Rob_F8FMakes you wonder how bad things must’ve been to have Cali and Texas team up… this movie should’ve been multiple parts imo to get a better explanation.
@@angelgjr1999 I think it was more that a ton of people were pissed with the government, so Texas and California have the most service members from there meaning they have the highest chance of defeating the main government military.
One weekend, I got incredibly hammered, stumbled into the theater from the bar, bought tickets for Civil War & and a huge bucket of popcorn, munched absently throughout the previews; 10 seconds into the opening credits of the film, I stood up to take a leak, puked twice into the urinal instead, and then I went home. 10/10
I liked the movie. But I had a lot of issues with it. For starters, why was the president just chilling in the Whitehouse? They would have moved him at the first sign of anything like this happening. Second, who was paying the journalists? Why were they even there? Are they just risking their lives for the artistic element? Unlikely Third, why was there still power, water, and gas available? Who's driving the trucks and keeping the lights on? Are people still going to work while all this is happening? Unlikely.
A lot of freelance journalists do the story first, and then they sell them after and make their money. Especially photo journalists, which is what they are.
1. Because the military had just suddenly up and surrendered the day before and were probably already advancing too quickly. The f22s that flew over were probably to signify "hey, the president isn't going anywhere in the sky" and it's obvious that a ground convoy is even worse 2. Is there something wrong with them wanting to get the truth out and a story? 3. A good portion of the country was out of the war, they probably just kept functioning like usual and didn't try to support either side and did their usual supply chain
Forgive me for being late to this party, but for your last question, unironically yea. Contrary to popular perception, in times of war, and even civil war, most of the population will stay put and keep doing what they are doing, unless they are in the line of fire or near the front line. The reason for this is a mix of security and sunk cost. If the war is not near your home, are you really gonna abandon your job, valuables, and opportunities on the off chance that maybe the war comes to your doorstep? Some people can yes. But what if you’re a farmer? Not as easy. And finally, most people don’t like change, and will be very hesitant to the idea of uprooting their entire life, to go somewhere else. Most will prefer to wait out the war. We saw this in near every civil war, including our own. Edit: almost forgot to mention, as for power and resources, that will vary state by state, county by county. It will be in the interest of the federal government, and even rebel ones, to keep power on for their side, while reducing access for the enemy.
@@williewilson2250 The entire military just deciding to surrender all at once was the most unrealistic part for me. Like, you're telling me there wasn't a single jet left that could defend the air space above DC? The WF just casually flew right on in. I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that there are AA installations scattered all over the capitol.
i was certainly expecting a more narrative story about the two sides of the conflict but i think point or moral of the story was shown in that line from the Mary Jane Watson character when she said "every time I sent a photograph home i thought i was sending a warning not to do this here". A lot of people glorify the idea of a civil war and wanting to tear the system down but like you said in the beginning of the video, as you get older you realize there really is so much to lose and we shouldnt want a war here in our own homes
Agreed. Was hoping to see some flashbacks or more story of how the Civil war came to be. I guess, they tried to avoid that to make it less political but I felt the story was just bland.
@@jacobstaten2366there’s the western forces witch is California and Texas, all the northern states from Oregon to the dokotas are doing there own thing. And Florida is also doing their own thing. Then there’s the feds
Did they care about what is right and true? I think they were there for the scoop and happy the president got killed on the spot but before that the guy has to get his final quote no matter how petty and sadistic that came off and the girl her picture of the US president shot in the head. The movie made me sick.
war journalists are generally that way. They went into Syria knowing full well that if captured they would be tortured and murdered on film. Several war journalists have lost their life in the city of Mariupol during Russia's horrible siege.
Most unrealistic thing about uniforms was the lack of fast iFF hi-viz bands - esp with both sides using Multicam (which seeing "current events" is very on point actually)
Pretty mych. something that goes back to WWIII and the Warsaw Uprising were the Home Army used captured Stahlhelms with red and white bands as well armbands of the same color.
I think the point of the vagueness is that you're meant to put your own meaning behind it. What would drive you to execute your fellow Americans like in this movie? Like, everyone says "Oh I'll fight a tyrannical government!" but nobody is asking, for what reason would you fight? Be realistic, your not taking up arms because the federal reserve is being idiotic, your not taking up arms because the president can barely speak, so what would you actually drive you to take up arms like in the movie?
I suppose whatever they choose in the film would be criticized. Like "THAT'S THE REASON NO WAY!" And they were obviously trying to skirt around politics so they draw in everybody for more $
One comment stood out to me. You mentioned how when you get older and you have a family that you're not as willing to go off and fight but rather stick around and defend locally to protect your family. GenZ and late term Millennials are all waiting to get married in their 30's now. There are a LOT of guys in their 20's who aren't looking to start a family which means a whole lot of manpower available to fight interstate. We're also seeing fairly large gaps starting to happen in the military as it continues to fail its recruiting goals over and over.
I'd say though, that you'd also have a higher number who lack physical or combat skills, though they may be more capable in terms of electronic or drone warfare and the like. As actual capable combat troops, though, there seems to be a genuine dearth of capability, stamina, and grit. Fatherless generation and all that.
I just watched the movie as well. My first thought was, this isn't about a Civil War. This is about what War correspondents go through in the process of getting their stories. The risks that they face in their jobs. End of story.
They're more of a character that remains neutral to some degree and are there so that the audience doesn't just feel like they're a camera being dragged around through a civil war, we're actually there with them
What battle should look like? Call of Duty is an arcady shooter game but yes the battles were awesome and I don't doubt the Soviet-German battle became that up close to each other they resorted to melee fighting.
@@jerry12314But.... that's exactly what the battles were like in WWII. Just look at the battle of Malawi footage. Philippine marines stormed alleys, streets, and buildings shooting down insurgents as they come
Try Killzone 2's final battle in Pyrrhus, now THAT is a setpiece, now that I think about it, most of the Killzone series' large scale battle sequences were really good. Killzone Shadowfall's VSA bombing also scores pretty highly I'd say.
Offerman isn't a manly man from your perspective and what you consider a man. The fact that you whine like this makes you much less of a man in my view. So there is that. :)
To be quite honest I’m not sure anything you “spoiled” was really that surprising, the fact that Alex Garland is a brit writing an American Civil War movie where Texas and California are on the same side you already know the story is gonna be a little wonky
@@LegoWarFimswhich is a shame because it definitely felt like it was marketed that way. Like the "what kind of American are you" scene didn't even hint of ethnic cleansing in the trailer, it was an obvious "are you based or cringe" whistle. The fact that the movie was made at all right now is also obviously to profit off current social tension in America.
@@jackjones9460remind me again how many Canafians were charged with war crimes under the Geneva convention? It's kind of an important detail, since Canada is the reason for half the things listed as war crimes...
@@jackjones9460 IHL is written by people who never saw combat and has never been followed in any conflict since its inception, mostly because none of our enemies are signees of the treaty and thus are immune to the legalities of it.
28:03 Why is the President in the Oval Office and not firmly holed up in the bunker under the WH? Also as I understand it there are escaped passages built into the walls. Why not use these?
20:20 I don't think it was meant as ethnic cleansing because the mass grave had different kinds of people and no faction was specified. I think it was just another scene pointing out "you don't want this in the homeland"
I agree it wasn’t really an ethnic cleansing in my opinion. To me it felt like he’s asking people who are truly “American” and not. What I mean by that is whether or not they were born in the U.S. or became a citizen. And then he just killed the people who weren’t born from the U.S., which I assume he asks where they’re from. It’s funny how he got triggered about the situation than diving into it, just my thoughts.
Danger close isn't even that close of a radius most of the time. It's generally within 700 meters. People get that wrong a lot because of movies and shit.
You'd have a point if, at any point, the movie really showed any sort of political attunement of either side, but both groups (federalist and rebels) get so little real characterization that you can't say the rebels are democrats and federalist are Republicans, or vice versa. The movie tries to make it out to be government totalitarianism without regard to motivations, which kinda just falls flat as "government bad" on its own. So basically, you can't apply real world political unrest because it just straight up doesn't apply in the movie.
Apocalypse Now was the same type of movies with the same flaws. With the high approval ratings of that movie, I can understand why somebody would want to make the same movie but in a different location.
Bro, just read Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road” if you worry about it all falling apart now that you have a child. It will wreck you and also make you want to make sure that it never happens.
I can say with confidence, any Ohioan forces would be wearing the Good Lord’s flannel (M81 Woodland) as intended, except maybe our SF units, they’d be wearing Woodland Marpats.
I feel like a movie about everyday people who have to use their second amendment right for what it was intended to be used for would be way cooler. It’d be awesome to just see normal people put on their own chest rigs and budget ARs and fight tyranny while wearing everyday clothes, because that’s what would probably happen in real life
That would be taking a side and would trigger the normies. "I'm not going to watch a movie about dwumpf supporters fighting the gubment and causing an insuwection".
Fascinatingly, that's what was more accurately depicted in Lee's (Mary Jane's) flashbacks to civil wars abroad, armed people in street clothes in conflict. The dressing up with a few personal items. I did pick up on both the loyalists and the Western Alliance both had proper BDUs, while everyone else was in street clothes, but there wasn't nearly enough 'everyone else' like you see in actual civil wars.
Guys I loved the movie because it wasn’t supposed to be a combat movie, I love those too but the whole point of this was to show the horrors of war from the perspective of someone like any average Joe, not a combat vet. The closest you could get to that is a journalist. In pretty much every major war 90 percent of the “participants” don’t have guns they’re just bystanders. I feel like if he showed them with guns it would grossly change the meaning of the movie and hella take away from the strength of the message.
And according to you what exactly is this message? Also on top of that these are war photographers in the middle of combat ridden america. A LOT of average ass people own at least one gun here, the idea that these people going into the middle of war zones don't at least have one or two guns for their own safety is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Seriously...
The problem is that they deceived their own audience in selling them a gritty war film and delivered an entirely different story, meaning, and film than promised
@@7osbeta There was no way this movie was going to work in terms of constructing a feasible storyline. If the white supremacist start the war, the white people are going to be mad. If the Cubans in Miami start a revolution, the Cubans are going to be upset. If radical militant lesbians start the war, the gay folk will get riled, etc..etc.....Never would work, and it didn't work. A terrible movie.
I remember seeing a NYT review for the latest Godzilla/Kong movie, where the critic gave it a bad review because Godzilla wasn't enough of a political allegory. This is like the exact opposite of that.
Both sides use Multicam in the movie due to its availability and usefulness for terrain. Tapes would be good as well, but the movie did avoid defining fighting sides intentionally, in terms of looks and wepons as well, to show how simular the sides of the conflict and that it is indeed the same faction which is fighting itself. To get into references again, you can check Ukraine again (both sides are using Multicam extencivly) and Yugoslav wars, where old JNA equipment, gear and fatiques were used by all sides.
Some wore Western Forces patches which was probably good enough for them. There have been plenty of wars where both sides looked alike and required flagmen to tell which side was which.
well the western forces and Florida alliance were both made up of military and civilians fighting the dc military so it would make sense that they have the same gear and uniforms. They use to be the same army prior to the revolution, I mean "civil war" that wasnt a civil war.
4:34 The actor of the male journalist on this film is the brazilian actor Vagner Moura, he already made 3 movies that are on this level of good, which are: Both the Elite Squad movies as the character "Capitão Nascimento" and Puss and Boots 2 as "Death"
With regards to the uniforms and your suggested coloured stripe/band solution, that is more or less what happened in thr English Civil Wars: the Cavaliers (Royalists) wore a red sash about their waist, and the Roundheads (Parliamentarians) wore an orange sash. The colour choices are a bit ironic in hindsight since the Roundheads are the ones who eventually became the British redcoats (or rather the New Model Army, which was Parliament's new professional standing military, donned the famous red coats). Most equipment in that war was brown or grey, so having brightly coloured identifying marks was important to reduce the rate of friendly fire, which was still very high throughout the war.
The last movie I saw in was Oppenheimer in 2023, and let me tell you that explosion scene in IMAX was probably my best experience in a movie theater in all of my life.
My favorite part of the movie is how they didn't explain at all why there was a civil war. Really helped us understand the movie premise that is centered around said civil war.
i love it, it was better that way so all sides cant say the movie was favored one way or the other. i love that people cant shit on the movie cause it picked democrat or republican. i hope more movies do it that way to troll people wanting every fucking side spelled out
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 the movie zigged when you expected it to zag. Yin sure you went it wanting it do affirm or confirm a predetermined disposition but it probably disappointed you on that aspect. That’s not a bad thing cause you should judge a movie on what it wanted to do not on what you wanted
@SubsonicRob I can’t imagine why the production decided not to flesh out the reason for civil war in the first place, it made the movie feel like it had a glaring plot hole just carrying throughout the entire run time. It’s essential to the plot but completely absent. Imagine the Lord of the Rings but with all of the scenes referencing The Ring just cut out.
Personally love that the director emulated the apocalyptic touch by showcasing the same roads that were abandoned in The Walking Dead as they travelled to Alexandria. I think it was a great way to really use pre-existing story lines, whether on purpose or not, thought it was really cool to see both stories quasi-intersect like that.
@@Baronvonbadguy3 well I wasn’t thinking crossover hence the “quasi” however thought it was something already lingering in the public eye, was a cool touch.
I did guns on this movie. Sat through a lot of pre-production meetings. So it is interesting to see what people are saying vs what i heard the adults in the room were saying when we were setting it up
First rule of writing a fictional conflict: People don’t fight wars without SOME incentive or coercion. Writers, ask yourselves WHY your factions are fighting.
But we don’t need to know what that reason is. Sure, I’d be interested in the political motivations of each faction and their recruitment strategy. Do they have conscription, does that conscription include women, what are the pay and benefits for the soldiers? But that isn’t required for the story, and a deep discussion about military recruitment and retention might cause pacing problems in a movie about journalists exploring a war torn country.
Here is a little Easter egg about the counter sniper scene. Both guys have light blue and pink spray paint in their hair. If you look at Jesse in the previous scene as the Boogaloo boys March the prisoners past on either side of her is spray paint in a haphazard pattern in those exact colors. My theory is that the sniper/Counter Sniper either belonged to the feds and that was a poor man's iff or maybe they were prisoners of the feds who were released and that was their way of doing a Civil War 1 style parole where if you were caught back on the battlefield it was bad news for you.
The movie is essentially a retelling of Apocalypse Now. The director calls it a "roadtrip movie" but each stop the journalists make is a visit with insanity; the journalists are Willard except they're not out to kill the object of their quest.
In the real civwar2, the Fedboys will have multicam obvi. The opfor is definitely going to be m81 and tiger stripe and probably plenty of rhodie camo, let's be honest. Maybe even some erm...flecktarn.
Coyote Brown gear with Blue Jeans is what I'd be rocking, though for a backpack, I'd honestly go with whatever color is available for whatever type suits my current situation the most. If I'm patrolling, I'd use an assault pack at most, while if I had to go from one town to another on foot, I'd probably go with a rucksack. Versatility in what I could do is key for me.
I’ve been searching for a word to describe the status of the world in this movie and “parallel universe” was perfect. Thank you for that. Not a bad movie. It was visually a brilliant movie to watch. A professional photographer I can appreciate the effort the director took in the cinematography. The music played a big roll in setting tones and breaking up the intensity from scene to scene.
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Ok
Man I stopped before the spoilers. I just need to know is it worth going to see? Or waiting til it comes out on streaming services?
Nah Bruh You haven't watched Russian war movies yet , especially recent movie . I will not you the name but give you the hint to visit history legends.
Good games
❤So the Pres must have gone rogue because he only allowed two terms,,id say at the polls he lost and the opposing peoples choice who should be the new pres got shafted,prob assassinated ,,hence all the citizens have gone F you mr 3rd term,were coming for you,,obviously pres 3rd term does not believe in the constitution cause he said the citezens should be fighting with the same weapons that the first civil war was fought with ,,,which aggravates the people cause Mr third term is using all modern weapons,,,,i hope mr 3rd term gets iced in the end !LOL
The most realistic part of this movie is that someone from Pittsburgh would spray paint “let’s go Steelers” on an overpass
Facts💯😂
But they were in West Virginia that scene
West Virginia is close, lots of Steelers fans. Nutty like here in Pittsburgh. It's Rebellious outside of Allegheny county in all directions.
@@bluejaysfan965 I thought that little town was West Virginia. They saw the overpass before that and they had to drive through Pittsburgh to get to West Virginia. I just figured since it happened before that town, they were in Pittsburgh when they saw it.
lol literally didn't see the 2 bodies hanging from the bridge until the last half second. I was so confused why they were spending time on a bridge with "Let's go steelers" on it
The lack of visual distinction between the different "armies" and militias was INTENTIONAL in my opinion
Yeah. People don't play fucking sport games in a war.
The whole thing was a pile of leftist crap.
I recommend doing some research on friendly fire incidents so you know why uniforms/identification exist@@hoppinggnomethe4154
@@kellynolen498 well, post soviet or newer generations of soviet designs. the fact there are multiple camo patterns popular in both militaries and both militaries private purchase gear and kit from companies in either country doesn't make PID any easier.
You've alredy put more in to this story than the writer-director: Alex Garland... 😂 👍
I was totally not surprised to find that instead of a gritty combat movie, it was a movie about journalists making an entire civil conflict about themselves. Classic.
^ this exactly. TY for saying it.
I respect reporters. you know people who do nothing but report the facts.
I despite Journalists and I consider them the source of everything that is wrong with today. Their desire to peddle opinions as facts and their willingness to slant the truth for their own ideals is why the world went to shit.
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 i guess you don't realize that the military is made up of american citizens... most will not comply with orders to kill their fellow americans.
@@jamesmichaeljean7840others have done just fine against superior forces we could also.
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 you really just don’t get it
Felt like 2 hours of Kirsten Dunst reluctantly escorting a teenager through a warzone and trying to prevent her from making dumb decisions that gets everyone killed. Fails.
most accurate description of the movie lol
Pretty much and makes for no reason to see it… just read this and drive on with life.
LOL similar feeling to war of the worlds tom cruise has to deal wit the annoying teenage brat who is played by someone with a very punchable face.
Ok thanks. Not gonna watch it
Oh and then she makes a dumb decision in the end. The irony. Pushes her out of the way and then just stands in the same spot that she pushed her out of.
Actual quote from the movie:
We’ve got Press badges, we’re cool.
That was hard
Lol holy hell, really?
That's probably what pissed me off more than anything!! These are war journalists, so they've been to war zones, however, they take off into a potential bad situation completely unarmed?!?!
That made zero sense to me, how they thought their press badges were some kind of armor.
Such a horrible movie.
i loved it @@Rebecca-GLaines
@Lazysundays9083 Believe it or not journalists that go into warzones don't bring weapons.
Syrian civil war has tons of journalists that are unarmed completely. Also how they get killed tbh
There was a serious lack of ear protection in Civil War. Did anyone else notice that ?!?
Also the Apache does not have a mini gun. It’s armed with a 30MM chain 😂
The treble was absolutely cranked at the theater too
I mean pretty much everyone in the movie is liberal and we all know they aren’t good at listening so maybe they’ve mastered the art of disabling hearing 😂
@juliuslcaesar93 the M230 on the Apache is a 30mm chain gun.
There was also a lack of ear pro in the original Civil War.
The thing about the militia mass grave is that when you look at his fatigues, he has no patches or monikers. Those guys were unaffiliated posing as a military force
I agree 100%.
Yep. They had no sides. they were just taking the opportunity during the chaos of war to fulfill their self-righteous idea of "cleansing the country" of foreigners of a nationalities. You see a lot of that during the clusterfuck of civil war.
There would be many people doing things like that thinking they are making “their” America better during the chaos of the real conflict.
@@damienrobertson1593 You can bet your bottom dollar that if anything like this happens ... Billy Bob and his crew will be out in the pickup truck to sort out long standing grudges ...... right across America !
eh has some kind of patch. Lore of the movie basically China supports some separatist states via trade so the loyalists go apeshit and these guys are affiliated with them and they're of course bad because 'muh yellow man evil
I just thought it was really weird that experienced soldiers were happy to have people with just a camera being like the 3rd on the door stack
ik its unrealistic but could be that they wanted the fame, they're already wearing 'tacticool' gear and they're clearly meant to represent some rogue sf squad even if some of the things they did were beyond stupid. They might've just wanted their faces to be on the front page.
This is a classic example of a movie getting made the way the director wants it to but the studio realizing that it's too niche so they force a bunch of dishonest marketing
Bingo. Most of the disappointment I’ve seen has been from misplaced expectations. I went in blind and really enjoyed it.
@@ElBandido_1 for real. my wife and friend were disappointed because they expected more of a soldier's/war perspective because the trailers made it that way... but i knew it was going to be from the journalist's perspective and i really enjoyed it.
You do know this is an A24 movie
All you weirdos are just confused that it takes place from the journalist perspective. Objective, no spin. You see the whole story unfold and make your own narrative.
Yall Just don't pay attention to trailers 🤷🏽♂️💯 what made you think it there was war scenes consistently thru out the film ? I saw only 2 set pieces in the trailer and that's what we got !!!
The most unbelievable part of the movie is with all the soldiers just letting random journalists get in their way while they are fighting for their lives. They are constantly in the way the entire movie.
Sounds pretty insufferable.
the reason we ever get good combat in recent hollywood is because all the people who know their stuff are on the right so they hire people like that armorer for rust or that navy guy who can't figure out which side the scope as consultants.
They were sweeping and clearing rooms with their cameras up as if they were rifles. Lmao
I yelled that in the theater lmfao gtfotw! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🎬 they were frustrating
Filming obvious war crimes, no less.
My major issue is with the journalist's armor - it looks like theyre all wearing soft 3A armor in an active CQB war zone where everyone is using rifle cartridges. Its like wearing a heavy sweater for protection at that point.
Also, at the end when Mary Jane dies, shes shot with an MP5 - the only weapon in the entire movie that her armor would actually protect her against, and she dies instantly.
You didn't saw that picture of an african insurgent in a gunfight with battle rifles wearing a lifevest? Yes a lifevest you wear to float in water.
My only possible justification for that is they were using AP 63 9mm in the MP5 cause body armor was so damn widespread, but I don't have any clue of that round would do anything against III but it definitely pen IIIA
Bought it from Alibaba
Aw she gets unalived in the end? Nice!
probably because she got domed
I’ve never understood the right to bear arms idea that it only applies to what our founders carried in the revolution…..our army and militia forces were equipped with the same style of weaponry in that day and age, so naturally we should have access to a comparable level of firepower as the military by that logic.
Pharisees will twist every word until the law means the opposite. It is a 2000 year old tradition.
Yeah but let’s be fr, don’t mean we should be allowed missiles as well.
@@SanLeMans What is the problem with that?
@@Willy_Tepes if you can’t see it then💀 by that logic we should also get t nuclear bombs, and no offense but if you can’t see why we shouldn’t have missiles then I wouldn’t want you to have a nuclear bomb either.
Yknow if no one is fighting to let civilians have missiles it’s probably for a reason bud
@@SanLeMans Now you are just using the slippery slope argument. What's not to love about missiles, or rockets, or drones, or guns, or even cannons? As long as you are not a criminal, I don't see why the government should be bothered by a population that if proficient in firearms use. I see that as a benefit militarily. The US was based on a militia in the early days. Every able bodied male was part of the militia. This is important to supplement a standing army in war time. Nothing is worse than having to train a lot of people who know nothing and have no experience.
If you are concerned about criminals getting guns, we should solve THAT problem. Just reduce crime. Everyone knows how that is done. Society is to lenient on violent criminals, and governments do little to tackle crime. Sometimes it even seems like they are tolerating and facilitating crime. The social policies and economic policies of the government also create poverty and wealth disparity.
I think the real issue is that corruption goes to the very top of politics, and that is why nothing is done about crime. They are themselves criminals. Maybe that is why they don't want us armed?
GET DOWN KING THERES A JOURNALIST BEHIND YOU
would be the first to go
the movie obviously is against the right, but they are so embarrassed by the behavior and ideology of their own side, and so afraid of alienating half the country, they did a both sidism.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 exactly, their side has been droning American citizens overseas and not a peep. They made the president seem like Trump but Biden is the one threatening to use F16’s(maybe F22) against civilians.
@@cagneybillingsley2165W
@@katana258you act like journalist don't go to warzones
*watches intro*
Guess we’re at war with the managerial outcomes Americans now
There can be only one!
Wait till the third faction remerges, the Talking Balaclavas.
@@favre4ever39 Then the loyalists to Admin's son as well... *Unmoderated Consequences*
@@guiltyspark659Unmoderated Consequences goes incredibly hard
Sub human species… cant make a good pizza
They actually had Boogaloo Bois in the film, and didn't paint them as radical terrorists. Color me shocked.
Honestly, the end of that scene with the music and the 1 journalists shooting the shit with the lead Boogaloo was f*ckin dope
Stores might actually start selling Hawaiian shirts again
The movie needs more of those right wing militias, armed antifa ladybois and the inevitable mercenaries from around the world.
@@jordanbolm8517 yeah that was a pretty sick shot.
I wear Hawaiian shirts every summer-it’s part of my shtick and I’ve done it for years. When the Boog Bois started getting national press I started getting wired looks in public and I realized that I was inadvertently wearing a “uniform” now. Eventually I decided “F it”, their politics aren’t that different from my own anyway and I was the OG to boot.
Still get weird looks though.
I’ve been describing the movie as not so much of a war movie but more of a movie about how much war affects the people that are stuck in it
I'm a Paul Harrell American, well at least that's what I aspire to be.
Underrated comment.
😁
You get into weird disputes on campgrounds and shoot people?
@@chipdiesel9788 I will be exonerated
Have you had your Pop-Tart today?
"I see the Texas forces using a different uniform to stand out [from the federal forces]"
In the real Civil War, in the battle of Palmito Ranch, TX Confederates and Union soldiers wore the same blue uniforms ... and yes, it was a clusterfvcc
Yeah the same uniforms and similar flags were dropped as soon as they could. I'd imagine this late into the war they would've figured it out
Same at the Battle of Wilsons Creek in Missouri in August 1861. Some Confederate forces still had blue uniforms while others had grey and marched into battle towards the Union forces at a key moment in the battle. Union commander in that area saw the blue uniforms marching towards his position and was hoping beyond hope that they were expected re-inforcements but knew that Union forces should not have been coming from that direction. Once he realized his mistake, it was too late, and the Confederate forces overwhelmed his position, thus losing the battle.
Thank God the Army went (back?) to Scorpion. It'll be be very distinct from Multicam...👀 👀 👀
Signals work.
I noticed marpat on some WF and multicam on others
Pablo Escobar and Mary Jane Watson 😂
😂
I was waiting for Peter Parker to dash across the screen to save Mary Jane Watson from the rogue Secret Service bullet.
@@JohnnyElGuapisimo 😂 wearing a shitty Amazon plate carrier as well
@@RedRambo30 I feel insulted 😭😂
@@45Gunner556 😂 sorry brother
2 things that make the movie unrealistic:
Texas and California are on the same side of an issue
The journalists are unbiased good-hearted individuals who just want what's best for the country
American Journalists have really brainwashed you to believe that they’re all bad ngl
All journalists aren’t bad. This is a weak argument. It’s like saying ever asian likes noodles and rice. And i think the lack of backstory makes the movie good. It’s not an action movie focusing on epic fights and impressive weapons. It’s an anti-war movie made to make you feel repelled towards gunfighting and killing. And the motive for starting the civil war was likely so powerful that the states chose to put their differences away and attempt to get rid of the president.
The cali and texas idea is somewhat arguable but the were backed by florida apparently.
And the majority of Californian more in the mountain area and high desert are actually somewhat rightwing . To play on there are blue citys not state . plus gov newsom is a butthole.
war reporters* they aren't journalists its made pretty well known throughout the movie that they are war reporters which are highly respected and often don't have a bias but simply want to show the reality on the ground
Did you notice how when the main character dies, the young girl was laying in WHOLE ROUNDS. Not cases, full unused bullets
They were actually spent blanks, so even worse
BLANK ammo. That is what they look like in reality for the M249 5.56mm Squad Automatic Weapon and M240 7.62mm Machine Guns. Thought the same thing as you did until looked closer.
Yeah I definitely noticed the blank cartridges
You can't expect gun realism from people that irrationally hate guns.
Guns in the future have advanced to the point where they fire the whole bullet
I got tinnitus watching the amount of rounds exchanged without ear pro
WHAT DID YOU SAY? Also no eye pro lmao
True. 2 times I for real got jumpscared by gunshot in this movie.
NOT SERVICE RELATED!!!
bro holy shit this movie was loud, legit wish I brought earplugs
Class action lawsuit time?
“Best combat on film ever.” *Battle: L.A peeks into the room* “Hey you guys!”
😂😂😂 true
Never seen that one.
Meh...battle LA
@@baronvonsnazzy3355watch it, it's decent.
Battle:LA repeats lame war movie tropes multiple times in the same film
18:20 OMG! I just realized that that scene with those soldiers at the roof tops keeping that town safe, was a reference to the roof top Koreans who fought in Korea Town when the L.A riots were happening!
The sound design of the gunshots was the best part of the movie for me. It felt like I was actually in the middle of D.C. as the perimeter of the white house slowly collapsed. The sniper scene didn't work that well though due to the lack of sonic delay.
Also, watch the Tarkov raid movie. Would like to see how you feel about the tactics used in that.
the sound design was AMAZING. the gunshots were powerful
Nah, 240b sounded like trash and the m2 didn’t sound or perform like 50cal does. 9mm being shot by the secret service magically goes through body armor in a specific scene. No actual use of cover throughout the movie.
Watch Children of Men.Awesome.
@@Fat_Thor_11389mm ap loads can penetrate soft armor now, buddy. It's not 1990 anymore.
What disappointed me was in the end I'm like ok President isn't in the Beast but it's a decoy, President is still inside the building but not, he's for sure gonna be in the PEOC bunker right? Right? What? They dragged him out from behind the Resolute Desk in the oval office???? The fuck?
Yep. That's what I thought too. I'm pretty sure the White House has its own secure bunker. Maybe the director was running out of time and just wanted to end the movie at that point
@@juliomaldonado4028 it does, it's called the PEOC, it's directly underneath the White House and is nuclear hardened and designed for legit end of the world can't bug out on AF1 type things so when that outer perimeter started getting assaulted, the President 'should' have been moved into the bunker and secured while Secret Service continued to fight and try to repell the assaulters but guess hiding under a desk was the go to lol
What disappointed me was your ability to use English effectively
Remember at the end they wanted to reach an agreement for the President's surrender?
They had him close by assuming they'd want him alive to reach a surrender agreement. They didn't consider they were there to just shoot him on the spot.
I think he’s so delusional. That’s why he’s not in the bunker.
The lack of NODS in hollywood drives me insane. The biggest one that got me was in Halo, you have super soldiers and Spartan armor but you still have helmet mounted flashlights, what the hell
"It LoOkS CoOl On CaMeRa" is what they'll say. Can't do lensflares if everyone's got night vision.
Well Halo has the VISR system for Spartans and ODSTs, which is like nightvision and an IFF system built into the helmet's visor. If we're talking the Halo show then idk, never saw it.
Halo has always had helmet mounted flashlights lmao
You really don’t need NODs if the city lights are still working. NODs would only come to play in areas like alleyways or other low lit areas. Also, the rebel forces are not professional soldiers, they’re just civilians with firearms and the majority of civilians don’t know anything about basic infantry movements/battle drills. They’re winging it.
Why nods are rarely used
what I see from trailer: constant action with some journalism photography
what i get: ford excursion commercial, red glasses, the beast chase that didnt last 10 seconds, the most underwhelming white house shootout
The shootout wasn’t meant to be overwhelming, flashy and scenic. The movie was made to make the viewer despise war. The characters don’t get last words, or falls to the ground in slow-motion. They are alive, and they get shot, and fall to the ground, dead. Just like in real life. Simple and disturbing. There is confusion and noise everywhere. And that’s what’s supposed to be.
14:00 I think it’s obvious: a segment of the American military did not blink when ordered to deliberately target civilians with airstrikes. Anyone in the military that didn’t defect or desert after the reality of such an action hit home are probably not viewed in any redeemable light.
Facts, you seen what the Chechens did to the Russians during the first round, that’s what would happen to them if it ever came to it, our numbers are to high
Exactly. I think that’s what caused half the country to leave the union in this universe. The president in this film seemed like a maniac.
Their is a reson they want woke libe in the military 20 years ago the military would not atack their own but they are changing it so the military will in fact fight to disarm the Vivian population . This is why you cant get in with basic maintainable health issues brut they will pay for your sex change surgery and pay for a man to cut off his balls and wair makeup 😉
Yes. Ppl don't see how many statists/yes men are in the force. At least 1/3rd of the total force, and 90% of leadership would be wrong side.
The problem is they don't explain any of that in the movie. They're lightly sprinkling real politics while simultaneously trying to seem "neutral"
Young men with nothing to lose are dangerous. Old men that have already lost everything are even more dangerous.
And Karen’s who insist on only complaining are already lost.
People that memorize quotes like this can safely be ignored.
@@Balibaliadashi "safely ignored" famous last words
yup
@@cpuwizard9225Jan 6th was pretty dangerous
The scene where the boogaloos are trying to be stealthy and they are shining their lights into a room where they haven’t been yet definitely had me feeling cringy lol
That's kind of the point, it's something you'd expect from an irregular force.
yeah... its a bunch of untrained (clearly) militia dudes though. Im more so bothered by the govt forces surrendering to a militia... last time that happened was mogadishu... and we know how that went.
As the snipers with rainbow hair did to me
@@Man_fay_the_Bru if they had rainbow hair before the war hair dye probably isn’t exactly in stock to re-dye it so it’s easier to just cut it, also it kinda blended in with the grass ngl
God that sniper was such a bad shot, "that sniper's a pretty good shot" I swung my head from left to right a lot when they said that.
“Why wouldn’t you just drop a jdam on the whitehouse?” I dunno probably because the whitehouse has a literal nuclear fallout bunker and is interconnected via tunnel system to surrounding buildings.
Yeah, but he wasnt in that bunker. They didnt even check the bunker, youd think that they would have looked there first but no, they knew he wouldnt be there. So by their thinking, it still would have made more sense to jdam it.
@@jetcox6760yeah its explained super quick that the generals and stuff loyal to the president issued a stand down order and then hid in the PEOC bunker, so woulda honestly made since the bomb the shit out of the WH, maybe they didn't want to destroy the white house due to symbolic stuff
TUNGSTEN ROD FROM SPACE GO BRRRR
15:56 “it’s not a warcrime the first time” what a great shoutout to Nick who just hit 1M
the guy who pulls the trigger writes the story
the guy who pulls the trigger writes the story
@@katana258
I believe you meant "The guy that hits the target writes the story." as indicated by the relevant scenes in the movie. 😆
Danny Archer had the right opinion of journalists.
good reference
Who's that?
@@GRANOLA77 Danny Archer was Leonardo DiCaprio’s character in “Blood Diamond.” Admin made a video about drawing inspiration from his character within the last few months.
5:23 Tears of the sun, beautiful film haunting story and one of Bruce willies best performance.
Let’s also not forget that Mary Jane Watson gets merc’d by a 9mm round while wearing “Kevlar” (wasn’t a headshot, she straightened up and popped her shoulders back after being hit) - the same kind of vest that, way back in act 1, she instructs the new girl to be wearing if she wants to survive being a war photojournalist.
Armor only works in very specific instances when it comes to movies and TV shows. There have been just a handful of characters where armor actually did its thing.
Let's hope that the Secret Service guy was actually armed with a 5.56 AR PDW or something...
She was wearing the wrong type of armor. She must have grabbed kevlar armor instead of her plot armor.
You could be wearing a tianium plated full suit of armor, but if the director wants you dead, then youre dead.
so there’s this crazy ammo called armor piercing ammo, and 556 pdw’s which i would assume the secret service has while protecting the president, also a lot of armors come unprotected in the back side or less protected bc you’re always supposed to be facing the fire with armor on
I liked Matt Walsh's comment on this movie: "It is most unrealistic, if for nothing else, just purely because of the absurd idea that modern Americans actually still have strong convictions, to the point that they are willing to die for them." (paraphrased)
Matt Walsh is a dumbass but he does make a point here.
Please do not talk anymore. Matt Walsh isn't anyone you should be listening to
@@alexmorado2182 I’ll talk all I want to. This is America. Matt Walsh is someone everyone should listen to.
@@criticalangle90No he isn't
@@criticalangle90 The man is the definition of controlled opposition Neo-con.
The lack of NODs doesn’t surprise me because most can’t afford them.
The whole point
Heard building your own was cheaper then buying off wholesale websites..as long as you have the tools to build it.
Honestly nods are far more affordable than most people think
@@brandonmaggard688Tell us more... 🤔
@@brandonmaggard688nuh uh
you didn’t even invite me 😢
You didn't get the text?
He invited all of us.
@@RolandtheThompsonGunnerwe even took turns making out
Where were you?
😢
@@pro_154fuuuckk man i missed it
Honestly from the breakdown it seems like this would of been better as a tv or miniseries so that you can get the decay of society in a gradual way and can flesh out the conflict. The movie is just "Wouldn't this be shocking?!"
Yeah, a miniseries would have been better. It's like Dune 1984, too much story in too little time.
I actually like the movie quite a bit, but I totally agree that a miniseries could've done the concept more justice.
Defi, Netflix should make one
They don’t have the time. The election is too close.
@@fox1actual touché
The thing I did like about the “he’s trying to kill us and we are trying to kill him” line, was that I feel like in a civil war situation or even an actual war situation, that’s really what it would boil down to at many points if you got into 1 on 1 combat. Sides don’t matter, stories don’t matter, orders don’t matter. You just want to be the one who makes it home. The rest is fluff.
One thing to note about coups and keeping the leader alive: anyone with understanding of modern doctrine would understand that keeping that leader alive is so important. The leaders of a movement like this would never issue a kill order because having even a kangaroo court trial and forcing the leader to formally renounce leadership goes a long way to securing power after the conflict is over. If the leader dies, diehard supporters all around the country might be more emboldened to rally around the martyred leader.
Che Guevara was captured with the help of the CIA. The CIA told the local troops not to kill him but they did it anyways. The same went for Saddam Hussein. There has always been a disconnect between the troops and the commanders in that regard.
Who knows, maybe they will then pull an Iraq 2003 and alienate the remaining loyalist military instead of doing a reconstruction like Lincoln did. Pretty much just keeping the war going.
Leftist director wet dream.
Fairly sure they took the reference of gaddafi for this
We don't have the exact details, but they DID intentionally off Osama Bin Laden, when it seems like they could have done a capture, and such a capture could have provided a lot of closure for a lot of people, so there are counter examples to the capture choice.
thats really disappointing that they didnt give any back story as to why there was a civil war. i think all of us wanted to know wtf would make texas and cali work together lol
that’s literally one of the only things they do explain in the movie, the government overreached and centralized too hard, that’s one thing that both texas and cali have in common, they both appreciate governments that don’t kill press or air strike civilians
@@spencer4685 they outright tell us that the President is in his 3rd term and that he disavowed and disassembled the FBI...
sounds like you didn’t even watch the movie 🤦🏽♂️
@@spencer4685 meanwhile, California is hugging up on Hillary and Xi every chance they get. Try again fella.
@@spencer4685 Cali loves government overreached and centralized though.
If I learned one thing from Civil War, it's that Ford desperately needs to revive the Excursion. And that--I think--we can all unify around.
No thank you.
Yes, I have one as my daily driver. Never wanna drive anything else.
Yass! But they would find a way to screw it up.
I have seen several built up with newer Ford front ends & they look damn good.
@@landonbrown4223 yeah by not having a v10 in it
My friend and i spent longer after the movie discussing it. We came to all the same conclusions as you, with one addition. Early on, mary jane insist the freeloader girl wears a vest so she doesnt catch a stray round and get her off button pushed. Then, at the end, mary jane, wearing a vest that seems to be front and back, takes a couple pistol caliber rounds to the back and is dropped like a sack of potatoes. Made absolutely no sense to me.
Also, the abrams barrel was not stablized while driving over the road block.
Also also, there was no rotor wash on the ground from the apache at ground level
Apparently a dude from 75th ranger regiment was their military advisor and either he was a fake, the worst ranger in military history, or the director didn’t listen to anything…
Probably a mix of everything😂
Im going to go with option 3 but 2 is possible.
Or they used his training to make sure the actors didn't do everything properly to demonstrate how all those meal team six rangers would do things in reality.
I know the advisor in question. He was one of my Platoon Sergeants in 2-75. He's legit as fuck so I'd say option 3.
It's a movie. Just a movie. If you make things realistic in a war movie then it got pretty boring.
Final battle scene of saving private ryan is loaded with a tons of non senses, but...its awesome and intense! Thats it, it makes a good movie.
save your money wait for it to come out on VHS at your local blockbuster
I live near the last blockbuster and I bet they will get a copy lol
Some kid is going .....huh?
Save your money and rent it from a Redbox. Those things will exist even in a civil war
@@Tactical_reloadBlockbuster is still a thing??? I remember them being everywhere in the 1980's.
Best part, you will never have to rewind the tape before returning it
The movie should have been named “objective lense” or “Parallax” or something due to the audience seeing as much info as the camera photo can portray. It was professional clickbait to get butts in seats. It had nothing for fun nerds, nothing for narrative story enjoyers, and nothing for political pundits. It was basically a Seinfeld episode of “war is bad mmmmmkay”
Edit: fun nerds = gun nerds
@@aaronroth734That’s not an edit. That’s correction in a reply.
The movie seems more for photography entusiasts than for gun entusiasts.
@@me.ne.frego. Not one time did they bring up exposure, camera preferences, or really anything technical involving photography.
I'm an enthusiast of both and the movie had nothing for me in either regard. I think the other most ridiculous part of the movie consists of them all being film developing hipsters when the "money shot" could easily be pulled from recorded footage, and you would get paid more in journalism for full footage + photos pulled from said footage. Iwo Jima flag wasn't a photo, it was a still from footage.
@@AikonikBoy I didn't saw the movie so I take your word on it. I'm a gun and camera nut and noted the girl is prominently rocking a Nikon FM 35mm manual camera, that's like going into combat using a Mauser bolt action only for hipster points.
The pride paint on the snipers faces, I think it's the various colors of smoke residue that's in the boog boys scene
i think it stayed vague in the explanation of "how we got here" because it doesn't want to tell THAT story, they just wanted to portray what it would look like AFTER we already got through that.
Yeah, I think teaming California and Texas together was a big, flashing sign saying, "This isnt the 2nd Civil War that you were expecting. "
we all know how we got here ..now here is here lets move on to how its going ..and what to do about it and how to do it and to who to do it to
@@Rob_F8FMakes you wonder how bad things must’ve been to have Cali and Texas team up… this movie should’ve been multiple parts imo to get a better explanation.
@@angelgjr1999 I think it was more that a ton of people were pissed with the government, so Texas and California have the most service members from there meaning they have the highest chance of defeating the main government military.
@@EF-111- Agreed. Both of the biggest states working together would cause chaos. Also add the Florida alliance.
Bro I have so much love for all of your content from guns to bows. That being said your movie style break downs are 12/10 keep it up!!!!!
yes sir! I appreciate the kind words
Best depiction to me with “War in your back yard” is The Patriot. Hands down.
Entertaining, but as historically accurate as this Civil War movie.
MW2(the good one from 10+ years ago) and Homefront were also pretty good in that regard, at least they were fun!
The movie takes too many liberties and lies too much to be enjoyable for me
No, it’s not.
the patriot kinda sucks in everything other than plot and americana
One weekend, I got incredibly hammered, stumbled into the theater from the bar, bought tickets for Civil War & and a huge bucket of popcorn, munched absently throughout the previews; 10 seconds into the opening credits of the film, I stood up to take a leak, puked twice into the urinal instead, and then I went home.
10/10
I liked the movie. But I had a lot of issues with it.
For starters, why was the president just chilling in the Whitehouse? They would have moved him at the first sign of anything like this happening.
Second, who was paying the journalists? Why were they even there? Are they just risking their lives for the artistic element? Unlikely
Third, why was there still power, water, and gas available? Who's driving the trucks and keeping the lights on? Are people still going to work while all this is happening? Unlikely.
A lot of freelance journalists do the story first, and then they sell them after and make their money. Especially photo journalists, which is what they are.
1. Because the military had just suddenly up and surrendered the day before and were probably already advancing too quickly. The f22s that flew over were probably to signify "hey, the president isn't going anywhere in the sky" and it's obvious that a ground convoy is even worse
2. Is there something wrong with them wanting to get the truth out and a story?
3. A good portion of the country was out of the war, they probably just kept functioning like usual and didn't try to support either side and did their usual supply chain
Forgive me for being late to this party, but for your last question, unironically yea.
Contrary to popular perception, in times of war, and even civil war, most of the population will stay put and keep doing what they are doing, unless they are in the line of fire or near the front line.
The reason for this is a mix of security and sunk cost. If the war is not near your home, are you really gonna abandon your job, valuables, and opportunities on the off chance that maybe the war comes to your doorstep?
Some people can yes. But what if you’re a farmer? Not as easy.
And finally, most people don’t like change, and will be very hesitant to the idea of uprooting their entire life, to go somewhere else.
Most will prefer to wait out the war.
We saw this in near every civil war, including our own.
Edit: almost forgot to mention, as for power and resources, that will vary state by state, county by county. It will be in the interest of the federal government, and even rebel ones, to keep power on for their side, while reducing access for the enemy.
@@bc9402 yeah, the Syrian civil war and the infamous cement company that ended up funding a terrorist group is a good example
@@williewilson2250 The entire military just deciding to surrender all at once was the most unrealistic part for me. Like, you're telling me there wasn't a single jet left that could defend the air space above DC? The WF just casually flew right on in. I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that there are AA installations scattered all over the capitol.
i was certainly expecting a more narrative story about the two sides of the conflict but i think point or moral of the story was shown in that line from the Mary Jane Watson character when she said "every time I sent a photograph home i thought i was sending a warning not to do this here". A lot of people glorify the idea of a civil war and wanting to tear the system down but like you said in the beginning of the video, as you get older you realize there really is so much to lose and we shouldnt want a war here in our own homes
Agreed. Was hoping to see some flashbacks or more story of how the Civil war came to be. I guess, they tried to avoid that to make it less political but I felt the story was just bland.
I’m willing to risk it for the biscuit
I'm confused why there are only 2 sides.
@@jacobstaten2366 Ya, you would think there would be others that are not governmental or political taking advantage of the situation.
@@jacobstaten2366there’s the western forces witch is California and Texas, all the northern states from Oregon to the dokotas are doing there own thing. And Florida is also doing their own thing. Then there’s the feds
The bugaloo scene with the lights makes some sense when you figure they have a lack of training.
Amen
I agree, but it's more of just common sense not to shine light into a place you're trying to sneak into
And somehow trained union soldiers got smoked by them 💀
@@Scootertotheshin you'd be surprised how many people lack common sense
@@KaiserDaChoom You got that right!
To answer the question in the beginning, I'm more of a "The Bureau Files" American
By far the most unrealistic concept of this movie is that journalists are portrayed as courageous and caring about what is both right and true
Did they care about what is right and true? I think they were there for the scoop and happy the president got killed on the spot but before that the guy has to get his final quote no matter how petty and sadistic that came off and the girl her picture of the US president shot in the head. The movie made me sick.
war journalists are generally that way. They went into Syria knowing full well that if captured they would be tortured and murdered on film. Several war journalists have lost their life in the city of Mariupol during Russia's horrible siege.
@@fogellmclovin3740 Loool
@@fogellmclovin3740 Oh no! How awful 🤣
I don't think there's many journalists are anything except actors now...
Most unrealistic thing about uniforms was the lack of fast iFF hi-viz bands - esp with both sides using Multicam (which seeing "current events" is very on point actually)
exactly, still tricky under nods but there wasnt any in the movie lol
Which side gets to wear the rainbow bands?
@@jerry12314definitely the feds
They should have been wearing high Vis jackets for lulz
Pretty mych. something that goes back to WWIII and the Warsaw Uprising were the Home Army used captured Stahlhelms with red and white bands as well armbands of the same color.
I think the point of the vagueness is that you're meant to put your own meaning behind it.
What would drive you to execute your fellow Americans like in this movie?
Like, everyone says "Oh I'll fight a tyrannical government!" but nobody is asking, for what reason would you fight? Be realistic, your not taking up arms because the federal reserve is being idiotic, your not taking up arms because the president can barely speak, so what would you actually drive you to take up arms like in the movie?
Good point
technocrats that want to put digital chips in our brain and bodies to control us
2020 made me though civil rights would be reason enough for Americans to get at each other's throats again
I suppose whatever they choose in the film would be criticized. Like "THAT'S THE REASON NO WAY!" And they were obviously trying to skirt around politics so they draw in everybody for more $
@@MrJoshcc600 Eh, I think they were more worried that the more "loud" members of society would do something stupid if the movie called them out.
Writers need to learn that "flanking" is not some ninja move that the enemy is never expecting.
One comment stood out to me. You mentioned how when you get older and you have a family that you're not as willing to go off and fight but rather stick around and defend locally to protect your family.
GenZ and late term Millennials are all waiting to get married in their 30's now. There are a LOT of guys in their 20's who aren't looking to start a family which means a whole lot of manpower available to fight interstate. We're also seeing fairly large gaps starting to happen in the military as it continues to fail its recruiting goals over and over.
It’s the American zoomer equivalent of being a Syrian Jihaid going to Fallujah in 04. Literally what no pussy does to a mf’er
It's big everywhere right now, I wouldn't be surprised if a major conflict broke out in the next 20 years
I'd say though, that you'd also have a higher number who lack physical or combat skills, though they may be more capable in terms of electronic or drone warfare and the like. As actual capable combat troops, though, there seems to be a genuine dearth of capability, stamina, and grit. Fatherless generation and all that.
I believe you’ve noticed the entire point sir
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Very relevant info from a very smart young man.
I just watched the movie as well. My first thought was, this isn't about a Civil War. This is about what War correspondents go through in the process of getting their stories. The risks that they face in their jobs. End of story.
It is a Choice...
Agree - the title is bad
Because the director is from a family of journalists and made this as a love letter
They're more of a character that remains neutral to some degree and are there so that the audience doesn't just feel like they're a camera being dragged around through a civil war, we're actually there with them
They could've told a far more comprehensive & telling story w/ a real world incident rather than a made-up right-winger fantasy.
Call of Duty World at War demonstrated what a battle should look like. Those Berlin and Reichstag missions were awesome.
What battle should look like? Call of Duty is an arcady shooter game but yes the battles were awesome and I don't doubt the Soviet-German battle became that up close to each other they resorted to melee fighting.
And also the Japanese Theater sections where the Americans are trying to assault Okinawa and Conquer Shuri Castle.
World at War was so insanely good.
@@jerry12314But.... that's exactly what the battles were like in WWII. Just look at the battle of Malawi footage. Philippine marines stormed alleys, streets, and buildings shooting down insurgents as they come
Try Killzone 2's final battle in Pyrrhus, now THAT is a setpiece, now that I think about it, most of the Killzone series' large scale battle sequences were really good.
Killzone Shadowfall's VSA bombing also scores pretty highly I'd say.
That’s why the confederates used gray uniforms because during Bull Run both factions wore navy blue and there was so much confusion
Offerman isn't a manly man, but he cosplays as one on television.
He certainly has a knack for elite level bigot roles.
Offerman isn't a manly man from your perspective and what you consider a man. The fact that you whine like this makes you much less of a man in my view. So there is that. :)
I mean more of a man than u are but stay butt hurt
He is a tool of the tribe. You know which one.
@@klnrklnr4433 bruh what
To be quite honest I’m not sure anything you “spoiled” was really that surprising, the fact that Alex Garland is a brit writing an American Civil War movie where Texas and California are on the same side you already know the story is gonna be a little wonky
I mean tectonically the movie isn’t based on our current politics.
@@LegoWarFimswhich is a shame because it definitely felt like it was marketed that way. Like the "what kind of American are you" scene didn't even hint of ethnic cleansing in the trailer, it was an obvious "are you based or cringe" whistle. The fact that the movie was made at all right now is also obviously to profit off current social tension in America.
@@LegoWarFimssure… President Swanson wasn’t meant to be a Trump analogue….lol
He was trying to use that as a mask to make it seem like it was "neutral" and "muh fascist president " (trump) is actually hated by all.....yea....
@@LegoWarFimsyea....it is.
It's only a war crime if you lose the war...
It’s ALWAYS a war crime, & War Crimes encourage the enemy to keep fighting. Malmedy, My Lai & Abeer Janabi’s episode all come to mind.
@@jackjones9460remind me again how many Canafians were charged with war crimes under the Geneva convention? It's kind of an important detail, since Canada is the reason for half the things listed as war crimes...
@@jackjones9460 IHL is written by people who never saw combat and has never been followed in any conflict since its inception, mostly because none of our enemies are signees of the treaty and thus are immune to the legalities of it.
@@jackjones9460 Losing side, losing side, losing side.
You just proved the point.
"The first time is not a war crime" is something we say for laughs when teamed in online games, still funny after all these years.
28:03 Why is the President in the Oval Office and not firmly holed up in the bunker under the WH?
Also as I understand it there are escaped passages built into the walls. Why not use these?
"13 Hours: Secret Soldiers of Benghazi" exists
Way better movie. Also, "Olympus Has Fallen" - better depiction of an assault on the White House.
@@jamesbednar8625 Both those movies really sucked.
@@natwolf687 Yeah but have you seen White Olympus House Has Fallen Down?
@@natwolf687 13 hours is pretty good wdym lol
@@Snulge
He is being paid by the Clinton Foundation to say that.
It's not the politically charged shit show everyone thought. Worth it for sound design and red glasses man
20:20 I don't think it was meant as ethnic cleansing because the mass grave had different kinds of people and no faction was specified. I think it was just another scene pointing out "you don't want this in the homeland"
I agree, pretty sure I saw some white fellas in that pile and some red hair
@@jordanbolm8517 voteing reg will tell whos the ones to find
I agree it wasn’t really an ethnic cleansing in my opinion. To me it felt like he’s asking people who are truly “American” and not. What I mean by that is whether or not they were born in the U.S. or became a citizen. And then he just killed the people who weren’t born from the U.S., which I assume he asks where they’re from. It’s funny how he got triggered about the situation than diving into it, just my thoughts.
@@jordanbolm8517and a kid. Seriously.
@katana258 what does that mean. Voting "reg" as you spelled it?
Danger close isn't even that close of a radius most of the time. It's generally within 700 meters. People get that wrong a lot because of movies and shit.
When will Admin give us the Administrative Shaker.
It's basically a natural disaster movie given how little "motivation" is given to the war
motivation ..where have you been for 20 years or the last 4
You'd have a point if, at any point, the movie really showed any sort of political attunement of either side, but both groups (federalist and rebels) get so little real characterization that you can't say the rebels are democrats and federalist are Republicans, or vice versa. The movie tries to make it out to be government totalitarianism without regard to motivations, which kinda just falls flat as "government bad" on its own. So basically, you can't apply real world political unrest because it just straight up doesn't apply in the movie.
except theres nothing natural about whats taking place
Apocalypse Now was the same type of movies with the same flaws. With the high approval ratings of that movie, I can understand why somebody would want to make the same movie but in a different location.
@@katana258 internet autism isn't going to spark a war. The closest thing was jan 6 and that was just a protest with people stealing podiums
Bro, just read Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road” if you worry about it all falling apart now that you have a child. It will wreck you and also make you want to make sure that it never happens.
Didn't he also write Blood Meridian?
@@SomeDigitalGhosthe did, and no country for old men
that sucker made me cry
@@stoops187and all the pretty horses, the outer dark, subtree, and cities on the plains
@@PALACIO254 yup
Secrete service kit is really good. Oh, that aged horribly.
I can say with confidence, any Ohioan forces would be wearing the Good Lord’s flannel (M81 Woodland) as intended, except maybe our SF units, they’d be wearing Woodland Marpats.
Flektarn would also make guest appearances along with DPM
I feel like a movie about everyday people who have to use their second amendment right for what it was intended to be used for would be way cooler. It’d be awesome to just see normal people put on their own chest rigs and budget ARs and fight tyranny while wearing everyday clothes, because that’s what would probably happen in real life
The movie probably wasnt made with us as the target audience
That would be taking a side and would trigger the normies.
"I'm not going to watch a movie about dwumpf supporters fighting the gubment and causing an insuwection".
Red dawn
Agreed, but that could give us plebs some hope, and the government can't be having that, now can they?
Fascinatingly, that's what was more accurately depicted in Lee's (Mary Jane's) flashbacks to civil wars abroad, armed people in street clothes in conflict. The dressing up with a few personal items. I did pick up on both the loyalists and the Western Alliance both had proper BDUs, while everyone else was in street clothes, but there wasn't nearly enough 'everyone else' like you see in actual civil wars.
Guys I loved the movie because it wasn’t supposed to be a combat movie, I love those too but the whole point of this was to show the horrors of war from the perspective of someone like any average Joe, not a combat vet. The closest you could get to that is a journalist. In pretty much every major war 90 percent of the “participants” don’t have guns they’re just bystanders. I feel like if he showed them with guns it would grossly change the meaning of the movie and hella take away from the strength of the message.
And the message is what?
And according to you what exactly is this message? Also on top of that these are war photographers in the middle of combat ridden america. A LOT of average ass people own at least one gun here, the idea that these people going into the middle of war zones don't at least have one or two guns for their own safety is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Seriously...
@@stillvillian Thanks for that. Unfortunately, men love war. War for men is what childbirth is for women.
The problem is that they deceived their own audience in selling them a gritty war film and delivered an entirely different story, meaning, and film than promised
@@7osbeta There was no way this movie was going to work in terms of constructing a feasible storyline. If the white supremacist start the war, the white people are going to be mad. If the Cubans in Miami start a revolution, the Cubans are going to be upset. If radical militant lesbians start the war, the gay folk will get riled, etc..etc.....Never would work, and it didn't work. A terrible movie.
For restrepo is definitely the most authentic war film cause it's literally a war on camera
thumbs up for that.
Everybody should have to watch imo.
I remember seeing a NYT review for the latest Godzilla/Kong movie, where the critic gave it a bad review because Godzilla wasn't enough of a political allegory. This is like the exact opposite of that.
Both sides use Multicam in the movie due to its availability and usefulness for terrain. Tapes would be good as well, but the movie did avoid defining fighting sides intentionally, in terms of looks and wepons as well, to show how simular the sides of the conflict and that it is indeed the same faction which is fighting itself.
To get into references again, you can check Ukraine again (both sides are using Multicam extencivly) and Yugoslav wars, where old JNA equipment, gear and fatiques were used by all sides.
Some wore Western Forces patches which was probably good enough for them. There have been plenty of wars where both sides looked alike and required flagmen to tell which side was which.
well the western forces and Florida alliance were both made up of military and civilians fighting the dc military so it would make sense that they have the same gear and uniforms. They use to be the same army prior to the revolution, I mean "civil war" that wasnt a civil war.
4:34 The actor of the male journalist on this film is the brazilian actor Vagner Moura, he already made 3 movies that are on this level of good, which are: Both the Elite Squad movies as the character "Capitão Nascimento" and Puss and Boots 2 as "Death"
This movie quite intimately understands the flavor of windows.
The movie is regard
With regards to the uniforms and your suggested coloured stripe/band solution, that is more or less what happened in thr English Civil Wars: the Cavaliers (Royalists) wore a red sash about their waist, and the Roundheads (Parliamentarians) wore an orange sash. The colour choices are a bit ironic in hindsight since the Roundheads are the ones who eventually became the British redcoats (or rather the New Model Army, which was Parliament's new professional standing military, donned the famous red coats).
Most equipment in that war was brown or grey, so having brightly coloured identifying marks was important to reduce the rate of friendly fire, which was still very high throughout the war.
John wick, American sniper, we were soldiers, Rambo, to say best combat on film is a wild statement.
Not even an honorable mention to act of valor, saving Private Ryan, and of course the incredibly realistic and gritty rio bravo
@@Hentylion of course and I would say fury was a great movie even if it wasn't the most realistic as far as some aspects of the combat.
@@Hughjanus454As far as realism, I'll say American snipers is a par with Fury. Great movie, but dogwater realism😂
Saving private Ryan opening scene is far and away the most realistic combat in cinema and it's not close
@@DjJ0SHWA American Sniper was as realistic as the tales spun by the man it was based on lmao
The last movie I saw in was Oppenheimer in 2023, and let me tell you that explosion scene in IMAX was probably my best experience in a movie theater in all of my life.
My favorite part of the movie is how they didn't explain at all why there was a civil war. Really helped us understand the movie premise that is centered around said civil war.
i love it, it was better that way so all sides cant say the movie was favored one way or the other. i love that people cant shit on the movie cause it picked democrat or republican. i hope more movies do it that way to troll people wanting every fucking side spelled out
@@JSANCHE5"I hope movies never say anything I don't like to troll people I don't like"
Wow, what a take.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 the movie zigged when you expected it to zag. Yin sure you went it wanting it do affirm or confirm a predetermined disposition but it probably disappointed you on that aspect. That’s not a bad thing cause you should judge a movie on what it wanted to do not on what you wanted
@SubsonicRob I can’t imagine why the production decided not to flesh out the reason for civil war in the first place, it made the movie feel like it had a glaring plot hole just carrying throughout the entire run time. It’s essential to the plot but completely absent. Imagine the Lord of the Rings but with all of the scenes referencing The Ring just cut out.
like you do not know why ?? really where have you been for the last 20+ years ... if you need some one o explain why your on the wrong site
Personally love that the director emulated the apocalyptic touch by showcasing the same roads that were abandoned in The Walking Dead as they travelled to Alexandria. I think it was a great way to really use pre-existing story lines, whether on purpose or not, thought it was really cool to see both stories quasi-intersect like that.
Its not a crossoevr its just called the Greater Atalnta Metro Area
@@Baronvonbadguy3 well I wasn’t thinking crossover hence the “quasi” however thought it was something already lingering in the public eye, was a cool touch.
I did guns on this movie. Sat through a lot of pre-production meetings. So it is interesting to see what people are saying vs what i heard the adults in the room were saying when we were setting it up
So what's the comparison?
I liked the movie for the most part. Good work. I will say I noticed almost nobody had suppressors or ear protection
Tell us more that’s interesting
Should have had Surpressor and night vision
Looks like you dont know shit about guns.
The best part of the movie was the lady next to me on a plane randomly jumping because of some scare the entire flight.
Now we need a movie where American backed separatists in Ontario start fighting Canadian armed forces
Yeah we need that to happen… “in a movie” 😉
"we say fight back!"
Wouldn't be much of a movie. Everybody up there hates Trudeau.
@@ryanward8039 At the very least, he proved that capitalism can't work in Canada
Long live the Ontario People’s Republic.
First rule of writing a fictional conflict:
People don’t fight wars without SOME incentive or coercion.
Writers, ask yourselves WHY your factions are fighting.
Have you never seen Band of Brothers? People joined the Airbourne for an extra $50/month.
@@youtube_moderator which is an incentive. They were already going to war. They volunteered for a more dangerous job for DOUBLE THEIR PAY.
@@youtube_moderator you thought u cooked with that comment lmao
@youtube_moderator the an extra 13k a year in today's money.
But we don’t need to know what that reason is.
Sure, I’d be interested in the political motivations of each faction and their recruitment strategy. Do they have conscription, does that conscription include women, what are the pay and benefits for the soldiers?
But that isn’t required for the story, and a deep discussion about military recruitment and retention might cause pacing problems in a movie about journalists exploring a war torn country.
Here is a little Easter egg about the counter sniper scene. Both guys have light blue and pink spray paint in their hair. If you look at Jesse in the previous scene as the Boogaloo boys March the prisoners past on either side of her is spray paint in a haphazard pattern in those exact colors.
My theory is that the sniper/Counter Sniper either belonged to the feds and that was a poor man's iff or maybe they were prisoners of the feds who were released and that was their way of doing a Civil War 1 style parole where if you were caught back on the battlefield it was bad news for you.
They also have rainbow fingernail paint. I think you're thinking too deep here. They're just doods who like doods.
Hollywood always has to include the 🌈 somehow.
I think the spray paint was to symbolize they were from cali
@@MP-ky3hcif those are rainbow colors you need to visit an eye doctor
The movie is essentially a retelling of Apocalypse Now. The director calls it a "roadtrip movie" but each stop the journalists make is a visit with insanity; the journalists are Willard except they're not out to kill the object of their quest.
In the real civwar2, the Fedboys will have multicam obvi.
The opfor is definitely going to be m81 and tiger stripe and probably plenty of rhodie camo, let's be honest. Maybe even some erm...flecktarn.
Does that mean my tiger print speedo will now be appropriate combat attire? And what about leopard print, asking for a friend...
Love me some RBS
Flecktarn gang
Coyote Brown gear with Blue Jeans is what I'd be rocking, though for a backpack, I'd honestly go with whatever color is available for whatever type suits my current situation the most. If I'm patrolling, I'd use an assault pack at most, while if I had to go from one town to another on foot, I'd probably go with a rucksack. Versatility in what I could do is key for me.
What about zeltbahn 👀
I’ve been searching for a word to describe the status of the world in this movie and “parallel universe” was perfect. Thank you for that. Not a bad movie. It was visually a brilliant movie to watch. A professional photographer I can appreciate the effort the director took in the cinematography. The music played a big roll in setting tones and breaking up the intensity from scene to scene.
I must’ve seen a different movie then cos it sucks
@@Man_fay_the_BruI think you watched the Avengers one man
@@Man_fay_the_Bruwhy
Film: "I'm a movie"
America: "So, looking through red party glasses, what kind of movie are you?"
I wonder how many red party glasses been sold
19:10 Admin just casually foreshadowing the event that took place on July 13th 2024