Tips for Negotiation and Pricing: Animators and Digital Artists

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  • Money is an annoying yet necessary topic for Artists. Brent Noll and Maximus Pauson explain Negotiation and Pricing for Digital Artists and animators.
    Enjoy! and let us know in the comments if this helped you!
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  • @khristyan51
    @khristyan51 5 років тому +1403

    how to set up a good portfolio would be good.

    • @Arilozen
      @Arilozen 5 років тому +33

      Hope they see this. I'm starting to work on my own and I'm not sure what all to put in it.

    • @TaranVH
      @TaranVH 5 років тому +118

      In another video, they say to just start posting your art online. Instagram, personal blog, whatever. The portfolio itself doesn't have to be polished. As you amas a body of work, you can delete old/bad entries.

    • @monkeyXmonkey
      @monkeyXmonkey 5 років тому +49

      The best way to create a good portfolio is to cater it for the job you want. For example, say you wanted a job in character design right? You would create a portfolio filled with maybe around 8 or 10 pieces of your best work that best match what would be expected of a character designer. Also, if you have a specific company in mind, look at the work they've produced and try to emulate the kind of style that they are known for into your own portfolio for the best results! Hope this helped!

    • @davidparra1009
      @davidparra1009 5 років тому +1

      Oh yeah thats for me at least one of the most important one

    • @ColinJWiens
      @ColinJWiens 5 років тому

      There are a lot of specific portfolio guides online, most are good but make sure to look at a few

  • @IIIOldSchooLIII
    @IIIOldSchooLIII 5 років тому +461

    "Don't flinch, bruh."
    Wise words to live by.

    • @Videogaltech
      @Videogaltech 4 роки тому

      I did a video anination with the Sun Tzu's history... Please visit my channel:)

    • @geetika6540
      @geetika6540 4 роки тому +2

      @@Videogaltech stahp it just stahp

  • @whade62000
    @whade62000 5 років тому +92

    99% of art channels are like “I’m a self taught teenager who only ever marketed stuff online, but I think I’m ready for giving professional advice”. You guys are one of the few who actually know what they are talking about.

  • @TheArtOfHarrisonToomer
    @TheArtOfHarrisonToomer 5 років тому +706

    everyone take a second to appreciate Max's bangin facial hair

  • @gL1135
    @gL1135 5 років тому +536

    Client: Why do I have to pay you 1500 for work you did in 15 minutes?
    Artist: Because it took me 15 years to learn how to do it in 15 minutes

    • @MrDylanButton
      @MrDylanButton 5 років тому +23

      ohhh I like this!

    • @ZoraTheberge
      @ZoraTheberge 5 років тому +34

      Because it would take them 15 hours

    • @itotallyagreewithyou3451
      @itotallyagreewithyou3451 5 років тому +94

      like the picasso story^^
      "Picasso is sketching at a park. A woman walks by, recognizes him, and begs for her portrait. Somehow, he agrees. A few minutes later, he hands her the sketch. She is elated, excited about how wonderfully it captures the very essence of her character, what beautiful work it is, and asks how much she owes him. “5000 francs, madam,” says Picasso. The woman is incredulous, outraged, and asks how that’s even possible given it only took him 5 minutes. Picasso looks up and, without missing a beat, says: “No, madam, it took me my whole life.”"

    • @jagdeepbhagat9830
      @jagdeepbhagat9830 5 років тому +3

      Chuck Finley wow...

    • @andrelfr92
      @andrelfr92 5 років тому +5

      "Would you rather i took 15 days to do the same work?"

  • @HowIDraw
    @HowIDraw 5 років тому +216

    When some asks why do I charge so much when drawing is so easy, I reply back they'd save a lot more money if they draw it themselves. I never hear back from them again. Has made my commission life that much easier. XD

    • @HowIDraw
      @HowIDraw 5 років тому +2

      @Naofumi Iwatani Thank you very much. :)

    • @EdaliaDayCreative
      @EdaliaDayCreative 5 років тому +2

      Nice retort

    • @TheCSJones
      @TheCSJones 5 років тому +2

      Robert DeJesus? Oh hey, I see your work all the time on Facebook.

    • @HowIDraw
      @HowIDraw 5 років тому

      @@TheCSJones Hey! Yeah. Thanks! ^__^

    • @hafizuddinibrahim8618
      @hafizuddinibrahim8618 4 роки тому +1

      why am i not subscribe to you yet dem,been a fan for a while

  • @Kattywampus
    @Kattywampus 5 років тому +150

    P.S. new artists,
    PLEASE DON'T UNDERCHARGE because it messes things up for EVERYONE. This is why people ask for $1 character sheets on the internet and other such BS.

    • @purnya2
      @purnya2 5 років тому +3

      sorry

    • @emmacarena7103
      @emmacarena7103 4 роки тому +3

      oopsie

    • @lancelotlink6545
      @lancelotlink6545 4 роки тому +22

      This is important. Why can lawyers charge $250-$500 and hour. Because they don't have a bunch of other lawyers willing to do the work for $25 an hour. They are in agreement that their talent is worth a lot. Don't work for cheap. Don't do it!

    • @mothermoth3833
      @mothermoth3833 4 роки тому

      Sorry

    • @violettever
      @violettever 4 роки тому

      eee I kind don't understand this

  • @arxdesigns
    @arxdesigns 5 років тому +143

    I've been working in games and TV for over 10 years and you continue to answer the questions people are afraid to ask about their own practices and careers. Thank you for making a difference in my life and those I share these videos with. Equally as important, thank you for teaching us how to learn better as artists.

  • @PinBri
    @PinBri 5 років тому +160

    I know that in the animation industry it's very important to socialize and gain contact with other people. But there's also a lot of artists who are socially insecure.
    Do you guys have any tips for these people how to approach others in say animation festivals or online? Do's and don'ts.

    • @ZoraTheberge
      @ZoraTheberge 5 років тому +10

      Abe TheArtist well think, how many frames is it you have to do? And how long does each frame take (give yourself time.)? Multiply those numbers and then multiply that for what you want to make an hour. And you can also consider padding it out with an addition for it being time sensitive, and exclusivity if you can’t commit to any other projects until this is completed. And then add 10% and then that number should be your first pitch. They should say it’s too much. Then ask what their ideal rate is, and if they’re near enough, you, take off that 10% and offer that. And then start lowering your rate if need be. But always keep in mind what your hourly rate would be at a price you agree to.

    • @patihmaron8492
      @patihmaron8492 5 років тому

      @ Can I help you to do the animation please?

    • @celisewillis
      @celisewillis 2 роки тому +1

      I didn't really see that the other replies answered this question, so I'll take a stab at it. I totally get feeling socially insecure, many, MANY artists feel this same way! I find animation folks in general to be a little less judgemental about not knowing social graces. If you meet an artist you really like in a casual setting, I'd ask questions about their work, and let them know specific things I like about their work e.g. "I love the way you use color" or "This shot your boarded is so iconic!". PLEASE don't put them on a pedestal. It's very, very uncomfortable to be around someone who treats you like an all-knowing being! You can ask them for feedback on your portfolio, but if they decline, please don't press the issue! I know our union, The Animation Guild (IATSE Local 839) does free portfolio review events too, so check that out!
      Try to be confident when speaking about yourself, and have an idea of what specifically you want to do. If you want to get a studio job as a storyboard artist, for example, tell people exactly that. It's easier for people to remember "Pin Bin the storyboard artist I met at Comic-con" vs "Pin Bin the animation fan who seemed desperate for any job" haha. It's also okay to not know what you want to do, or to want to do multiple things. People move across different crafts all the time! Maybe a smaller studio where you can wear multiple hats could be a good fit for you. Anyway, I hope some of that was a little useful? Good luck, Pin Bin!

    • @PinBri
      @PinBri 2 роки тому +1

      @@celisewillis Thanks for the reply. :) Those are very good and useful tips, and I totally agree with you. Learning how to approach people in the industry can be be a taunting task for many, especially for a student, since you don't want to come out as being bothersome. But it's something you get more comfortable with through enough practice, and I'd say I've had a lot of that myself. I've found that keeping a conversation casual, and not necessarily work related, has helped me feel more relaxed and the conversation more natural. Whether a conversation with someone leads to work later on or not it does not really matter, as the focus of the moment is just to have a nice chat with someone you happen to meet (whoever they might be).

  • @musch474
    @musch474 5 років тому +253

    I love it when you guys talk shop. Id love it if you talk more on getting that first job or where do you look for that job.

    • @AngelaMerici12
      @AngelaMerici12 5 років тому +1

      It's good that you start building an audience and just say you are open for commissions. Set a cheap price and just offer what you know you can do and enjoy doing. Nothing complicated.

    • @geeArtworks
      @geeArtworks 5 років тому +6

      @@AngelaMerici12 'set a cheap price'...pretty sure that's not what's being advised here.

    • @AngelaMerici12
      @AngelaMerici12 5 років тому +1

      @@geeArtworks He wants to know how to get the first job. We don't know how he illustrates and neither the commissioner. After having the first commission he/she would rise the price.

    • @geeArtworks
      @geeArtworks 5 років тому +9

      @@AngelaMerici12 I'm not a professional Illustrator, but I'm friends with one and he says it can be hard to raise your prices afterwards, always best to ask for the price you deserve from the beginning.

    • @AngelaMerici12
      @AngelaMerici12 5 років тому +7

      @@geeArtworks Even if you start with fair prices from beginning, your prices should always go up because of different factors: availability, rising in popularity, improvement, eventuality, hiring assistants, etc. If you find difficult to rise your numbers your going to lose money in the long run.

  • @codesneezes
    @codesneezes 3 роки тому +29

    0:45 How much should you charge?
    0:47 understand client - can they pay
    1:03 Charge hourly
    1:25 Estimate work time
    1:42 Consider different types of artwork needed to complete a project
    1:56 inform the client about these different types
    2:03 Consider your expenses
    Recommended Pricing (2019):
    2:31 Amateur $15
    2:42 Journey $25
    2:53 Professional $40+
    Negotiation rules:
    3:31 1. Always negotiate
    3:57 2. Say the first number
    4:33 3. Don’t flinch
    5:19 negotiate via email, have it in writing
    5:25 practice negotiating elsewhere
    5:40 discuss your rate of pay with other artists
    6:12 completing a job in less time than you estimated/charged for
    6:44 keep track of your hours for accurate estimates
    6:48 weekly rates (40 hrs/week) - check union minimum wage rate
    7:12 online commissions - use slot system
    7:41 art is a viable resource, take yourself seriously!

  • @haileyanimates6437
    @haileyanimates6437 5 років тому +68

    YES YES YES!!! The art community doesn't discuss the business side enough. Thank you so much for sharing this; It's so informative and important for young artists and recent graduates to know this.

  • @CrownePrince
    @CrownePrince 5 років тому +53

    Seconded on all the tips here, though I prefer to be paid up front which is why I charge flat rate instead of hourly. Prices are based on the average number of hours, so in a way it works out to be the same thing in the end.

  • @siriehtstudio
    @siriehtstudio 5 років тому +64

    Wow, thank you guys so much! I've graduated and I usually do work for around $15-$20 an hour so this really made me realize I should probably up my prices some. I feel almost embarrassed to charge what a highschooler should charge!

  • @RNorthex
    @RNorthex 5 років тому +55

    Psychology and health related topics when it comes to art is also very scarce. Stuff you guys do to avoid repetitive stress injuries or to keep you motivated could be a cool topic, since it's unique to everybody what works and it seems most people forget that crunching a year out on art will just get you to have an anxiety attack at looking Ps/An UI with a nasty back.

    • @BaMAnimation
      @BaMAnimation  5 років тому +10

      Dude I love this. I feel very strongly about this topic. Thank you for this awesome suggestion! -MAXIMUS

    • @celisewillis
      @celisewillis 2 роки тому

      Search for "ulnar nerve glides", those are great stretches to do if you work at a cintiq. My physical therapist recommended putting a pillow below my arm so I'm not just holding it up all day (again for working at a cintiq). Also, building up some muscle around the arm and back will help give more support to your hard-working tendons!

  • @TaranVH
    @TaranVH 5 років тому +27

    Excellent information as usual. This is a great format. No extra skits and editing were necessary. I'd rather have the info.

  • @putrik9112
    @putrik9112 5 років тому +114

    i bet who dislike this video were cheapskates who always ask for free potrait!

    • @DiegoBM
      @DiegoBM 5 років тому +3

      Probably it was more the part where they mention that they would charge 10h even if it took 8. They did recommend to charge hourly in order to protect yourself and the client, but that doesn't sound like protecting the client much but taking advantage of them. Always negotiate your best deal, but also be honest, if you over-estimated your time it's your fault not your client's. Charging for not working is as bad of a practice as asking for work in exchange of exposure (i.e. working without charging).
      Note: excluding that part, I really liked the video

    • @TimConceivable
      @TimConceivable 5 років тому

      @@DiegoBM the client has already agreed to the price you set. if you get done quicker, then it's like you got some supplies on sale and saved some money. do you charge the client more if you end up spending 12 hours on the project instead of 10? no. if your estimate ends up being way off from the actual amount of time it took you, then you need to take that into account on future estimates. it would be dishonest to continue quoting work at 10 hours when it takes you only 5 hours to complete, but it's not dishonest to be a little off. it's called an estimate for a reason.

    • @DiegoBM
      @DiegoBM 5 років тому

      @@TimConceivable actually it's the opposite, if it takes you more than anticipated you are allowed to charge more and that's why you are encouraged in the video to charge by the hour instead of per job to protect yourself, and that's why it's called an estimation, and obviously it should work both ways if you are truly honest. Try having contractors refurbishing your house, and see what happens if they take longer than anticipated.. Hint: they won't continue unless you pay. Finally, a little off might be reasonable, in the range within the hour or less, because that's your unit of charge and it would be more complicated to break it, but the example is 8 hours out of 10. 2h is basically one fifth of the job, doesn't sound fair to me.
      BTW: when they mention that the client "has agreed to a price", that's a contradiction that they have in the video, since that would mean that they are in fact charging per job instead of per hour, invalidating the initial recommendation and with no way to protect yourself from last minute changes for example

    • @joashbritto
      @joashbritto 5 років тому

      IMO, that's like buying a 12 back of muffins at the supermarket, then going back to the store to return the 3 you couldn't finish, expecting them to give a portion of the money back.
      If not, you could always use that extra time to at more finishing touches (without overdoing it of course), or work on presentation, so it looks extra professional when the client receives it 😊

    • @DiegoBM
      @DiegoBM 5 років тому

      @@joashbritto that's another case of charging per product, you know that you want 12 muffins, the bag of 12 is the product that you want to purchase, not 20 nor 2, you make that choice, if you over-estimated your hunger that is your problem, not the supermarket's. In the case at hand the client wants a piece of art as soon as possible, the product is the piece of art, the client is not trying to purchase 10h, because if s/he could have it in 8h, would prefer 8h, or might be happy with 12h, but the client is trying to purchase a piece of art as soon as possible.
      Anyhow I agree on your second point, in reality the client will never know if it took you less than your estimated so it's pointless to even argue it, that's why it needs to come from each person's principles I guess

  • @ju2707
    @ju2707 4 роки тому +8

    I saved this video months ago and I thought "well, I'll probably never really watch it because no one will EVER want to buy my art". But this week a friend told me "please, draw this for me and give me your price, you're so talented!". And it brought tears to my eyes, honestly. And here I am, learning about how to charge my first paid art.
    I'm actually very nervous. I think 15 is a good price, since it's my first one and well, I'm an amateur.
    Thank you so much!

  • @vex452
    @vex452 5 років тому +90

    So you guy will be standing there motionless for 25 hours? wow the dedication i stan

    • @stinkyphantom7437
      @stinkyphantom7437 5 років тому

      why not stand here with them?

    • @vex452
      @vex452 5 років тому +9

      @@stinkyphantom7437 Oh don't worry I didn't move or blink for the past 3 hours

  • @oraayo7351
    @oraayo7351 5 років тому +54

    thank you for this video! I havent started doing freelance art yet, but i want to start and wasnt sure how to price.

    • @xandelta5306
      @xandelta5306 5 років тому

      Did you draw your pfp? Its super cute!!

    • @oraayo7351
      @oraayo7351 5 років тому +1

      @@xandelta5306 oh no, it's a commission I got from peach deluxe on Tumblr ^^ look em up

    • @xandelta5306
      @xandelta5306 5 років тому

      @@oraayo7351 ah alrighty!! Thankyou 💞

  • @jessehylton4991
    @jessehylton4991 5 років тому +21

    This kind of format I think is very valuable to anyone trying to know more about good topics like these.
    This video is great as well since I'm living somewhere where the art community is scarce/more traditional painting leaning.
    This sort of advice isn't easy to get.
    Heck I didn't even know there are unions for art professionals out there. It blows my mind

  • @dickomode.mp4137
    @dickomode.mp4137 5 років тому +11

    I was actually just starting to get a lot of commissions as a high school artist and was curious about art pricing/pay. This video is awesome, thanks so much!!

  • @lulusketches
    @lulusketches 5 років тому +15

    this is great!! 🙌

  • @abitfrank
    @abitfrank 5 років тому

    Great video! And yes, talking with colleagues is essential for rates/etc. It raises everyone up!

  • @weaponlogic
    @weaponlogic 5 років тому +15

    Hey guys, this is awesome. Seriously thank you! Would love a video like this about a "typical" animation studio pipeline. I think a lot of guys would benefit from this and it may help them figure out where they could fit in, within an animation studio or feature production.
    Excellent channel, looking forward to your next vid!

    • @ColinJWiens
      @ColinJWiens 5 років тому +2

      Already covered in their video: "So...You Wanna Make an ANIMATED TV SHOW?"
      Unless you want anything more specific.

    • @weaponlogic
      @weaponlogic 5 років тому +2

      @@ColinJWiens Thanks man ill have a look I'm a very new sub to their channel,
      so I haven't had a chance to go through the catalogue.

  • @BobbyBaxter
    @BobbyBaxter 4 роки тому +4

    Great vid guys! Its so good to finally see some transparency and discussion on this topic. I've been in the (Australian) animation industry for close to 10 years and only in the last few have I realised that your pay rate will never move unless YOU take the steps to make it happen. Negotiating still makes my skin crawl but it is totally worth it.

  • @StormygioFTW
    @StormygioFTW 4 роки тому +3

    I've been recently updating my commission TOS in hopes of getting back into doing art commissions, so this was IMMENSELY helpful in understanding decent price ranges better--thanks so much for making this.

  • @AuburnnSkies
    @AuburnnSkies 5 років тому +2

    I enjoy the heavily edited videos, but the sheer amount of information that can be communicated in this format with less production strain on you guys is something I think would very much be worth pursuing.
    I'd definitely like to see more of this.

  • @benjaminblack6771
    @benjaminblack6771 4 роки тому +14

    When they said 15$ an hour for amatures I was shocked!! :0 minimum wage here is not even 8$ so it was near double!;-; I've never charged that much for a full drawing let alone by the hour!! I rarely get commissions as it is, I'm worried if I charge that amount, people will just get turned off and not interact with me. Is safe to do what some artists do and charge by the size? Like some do a headshot for 10$ and a full body for 40$ ?

    • @lunasbix4338
      @lunasbix4338 3 роки тому

      Well, it also depends on you and your client’s location. Sadly economics isn’t equal everywhere, there will be places that you can charge “more” and there will be places that you need to charge “less”. Say US vs PH, minimum wage in US is 15$ but in PH it’s only 300-500PHP depending on which region which would be about 6$-10$ only.

    • @themadartist1980
      @themadartist1980 2 роки тому +1

      @@lunasbix4338 Yea, in USA, the minimum salary is around $1000 while in my country, Pakistan, its $70 per month. Crazy!

  • @Bax365
    @Bax365 5 років тому +19

    This is priceless information right here. THANK YOU GUYS for sharing this rare info out here for us noobs!

    • @ZoraTheberge
      @ZoraTheberge 5 років тому

      I think it’s actually pricey info if ya know what I mean.

  • @lumixarts7710
    @lumixarts7710 Рік тому +1

    It's 2022 but I am still rewatching your videos! great content guys! thank you for being so informative!

  • @emilsaiber4602
    @emilsaiber4602 4 роки тому

    Unlike other channels, Bam animation doesnt make the videos we want but the videos we really need...
    actually they make the ones we want to...
    damn this is just too good.

  • @REIQ
    @REIQ 5 років тому +6

    Great videos guys!

  • @schmoe67
    @schmoe67 5 років тому +6

    You guys are amazing. I love this channel. I've always had a hard time understanding what I should charge for something I do for free in my past time.

  • @BlueMaroonAnimations
    @BlueMaroonAnimations 5 років тому

    Hey, love your channel! As an animator working in Canada its really awesome seeing how things work in America as well as just seeing the industry from a different view.

  • @evelynseng7356
    @evelynseng7356 5 років тому +1

    I think this is my new favourite youtube channel. Just quality content after quality content and a sprinkle of weird humour at times. You guys deserve so much more!

  • @Bingobongo12
    @Bingobongo12 5 років тому +7

    Im graduating with a graphic design degree and I can illustrate.
    Double benefits for you, my clients. :)

  • @James-ix5yj
    @James-ix5yj 5 років тому +3

    I feel like you could probably make this a regular series- this is basically a filmed podcast, and I feel like some of the more popular youtubers are doing that now. I like this podcasty thing themed around the art community and stuff- it's fun and necessary to hear!

  • @BossSmiles3
    @BossSmiles3 5 років тому

    Okay, you guys are being ridiculously helpful and i cant emphasize enough how much you're helping artists out there. Your videos, and this one specifically, are super clear and you're giving actual numbers and figures for us to use as guidelines. thank you so so much guys!!!

  • @Ashaa_ja
    @Ashaa_ja 4 роки тому

    really love and appreciate your challenge! This kind of content is always needed within the community and I really enjoyed how you laid it all out

  • @LiamKelly82
    @LiamKelly82 5 років тому +21

    This is such a great video, as always. Where were you guys 3 years ago when I was trying to figure out how and what to charge? Watching this really reassured me that I have been doing things (somewhat) correctly as a freelancer. It's great to have the confidence boost.
    Do you have any tips on managing client expectations while still keeping one's own ego in check? I get so pissed off at stupid requests from clients that sometimes I've had to wait a full hour before I reply to an email to make sure I'm calm and measured; and I'm sure it's because they don't understand the work pipeline or the amount of time it takes to do something. Like you say in this video, "there's a tendency to think its all just magic". How does one take the client 'behind the curtain' without boring them to death or giving them a crash course in digital art production?

  • @abrahamx910
    @abrahamx910 5 років тому +3

    You look really professional, this was a great video, you’re awesome!

  • @jecamartinez
    @jecamartinez 5 років тому

    Oh my LAWD THANK YOU!! I love the practical tips, the casual tone, and I also appreciate that you guys cut right to the chase and kept the video short!

  • @theejabawoo
    @theejabawoo 4 роки тому

    I just found out about this channel 2 weeks or so ago and all the vids you guys put out are super informative and insightful, thanks a lot!

  • @dirtybombz
    @dirtybombz 5 років тому +4

    This is really helpful. I’ve only had a few commission pieces but it was difficult to give a price, since drawing isn’t my regular job and giving an hourly estimate wasn’t always a comfortable situation as I wasn’t sure how much time something would take

  • @MysteryDisc
    @MysteryDisc 5 років тому +3

    On one of your previous videos, one of you responded to a storyboard question I asked. I would love see a more full video on that or an animator's views when trying to adapt a script in general (like, language that's helpful or when the writer is being intrusive on directing the visual).

  • @Sh0LAW
    @Sh0LAW 3 роки тому

    This is so helpful!! I have watched your channel for a while now, but i am only now starting to watch some of your older videos. I really wish i have seen it sooner, it gets right to the point! It also answers a lot of the question i have been trying to look for.

  • @JackSather
    @JackSather 5 років тому

    So glad i found you guys!! Such a great channel

  • @dm8595
    @dm8595 5 років тому +5

    Not sure if I've just been watching you guys too long but daaaaamn, Max is looking a snack!
    ... Oh and also, thanks for everything guys.

  • @fooglez
    @fooglez 5 років тому +7

    Don't flinch, bruh. - Sun Tzu 2019 twitter quote.

  • @TheDannycoyne
    @TheDannycoyne 5 років тому

    I look forward to your videos all the time guys. I like the broader range of topics you are addressing also.

  • @animelover1992
    @animelover1992 5 років тому

    You guys ... i love you guys since i randomly found you guys to find information on animation . You guys hit the answers to question and not around it and its so helpful and sometimes i have more questions but your videos really hit the spot to growing knowledge. Now i know how to ask different questions. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN BUT YOU GUYS ROCK and thank you

  • @TheSpaceHobo
    @TheSpaceHobo 5 років тому +14

    I liked it before the video comes out. Ur content is one of the best I've seen. Keep doing this amazing work. Sending my love 🙌💩

  • @missoli
    @missoli 5 років тому +10

    me: * realizes im working at 1940s minimum wage *

  • @janahijazi5899
    @janahijazi5899 5 років тому

    this was so informative, thank y'all!!!
    i never seen a vid about commissions and negotiations that was THIS good, seriously allahbless y'all
    also this format is super good as well as your original format, it's much more chill but equally as infomative

  • @dropdedd
    @dropdedd 5 років тому

    you guys alone have helped me more than any art class had in just 4 of your random videos. You guys need a donation button already.

  • @hotpopcorncake
    @hotpopcorncake 5 років тому +4

    so weird I was thinking about this channel video all the sudden I get notification

  • @TheMitchellverse
    @TheMitchellverse 4 роки тому +3

    Any news vids coming soon? I love your guys channel :)

  •  5 років тому

    Hey Bam! I really liked this video and hope this will help many others like myself. I liked the format of you delivering information that was clean and precise. One love!

  • @Vegaboosterx
    @Vegaboosterx 5 років тому

    You guys are the only ones that actually tell useful information about our line of work. Thank you!

  • @abrahamx910
    @abrahamx910 5 років тому +5

    I would like a talk about portfolios

  • @HakimaDuo
    @HakimaDuo 5 років тому +22

    Hello ! I'd like to know your opinions about freelance website like Fiverr and Upwork ?
    anything you'll say about the subject will be helpfull :)

    • @aseliatheeternal202
      @aseliatheeternal202 5 років тому +7

      Me too, I used to work on these websites. It is rare to hear artists take these websites seriously, and common consensus is that these websites are filled with clients that wants thing to be done quick and (really) cheap. It is basically a waste of time and energy for who lives in a place with high life expenses.

    • @ZoraTheberge
      @ZoraTheberge 5 років тому +6

      It’s great if you want to beg people to hire you and then work for almost nothing.

    • @rafaellewis1263
      @rafaellewis1263 3 роки тому

      i’m some guy you don’t know, but i’m also a freelance animator/motion designer. Sites like those are a race to the bottom, because you are competing with prices that are well below a professional rate. Stay away.

    • @HakimaDuo
      @HakimaDuo 3 роки тому

      All you said is true, but what if you have no real fanbase ? How can you sell your work ? And creating one takes a lot of time...

  • @angela5763
    @angela5763 5 років тому

    I've found my new favorite channel!
    For someone who doesn't have any resources to go to art school your videos have been super educational and inspirational. Can't wait for future videos

  • @stinkyphantom7437
    @stinkyphantom7437 5 років тому +2

    i cant wait for another video guys! ive learned a lot ;) thanks to you guys my thumnails slowly improving!

  • @PeteMoroder
    @PeteMoroder 5 років тому +4

    What about merch how much should you charge for that, like if the material costs 5$ and you made the design in 3h + printig is 10$?
    Ps: Thx for all this amazing vids luv u guys.

  • @Reg3e
    @Reg3e 5 років тому +12

    I'm still trying to figure out my Animation commission rate... @_@

    • @IshikaShanai
      @IshikaShanai 5 років тому

      Look at what other animators charge for their rates vs their skill set. Also, never charge below minimum wage per hour.
      I'm still trying to figure it out too lol.

    • @renookami4651
      @renookami4651 5 років тому

      @Entertainment Fanatic Animation is so tricky...A good way to start figuring out the estimated time is to know how many key-poses there will be. Then add a new estimation for in-between based on how many per key-part there are to make. Still a headache to figure out...
      If one want to get into game animation (every kid's dream), however, NEVER rate per sheet like many noobies does!
      Things like "This character moveset have 6 moves for around 80 frames (counting in-betweens)" always result in mechanics overhaull at mid-project that add new moves, clients asking for rework/polish, maybe extra idle/damaged animations, of couse all for free "since it's still in the same sprite-sheet and you rated on this basis, no matter if there's changes, right?".
      That's such a common practice from shady small studio-less teams it's disgusting...

    • @magicmarkelen7
      @magicmarkelen7 5 років тому

      I guess you all are into animation... I am between the choice concept art studies or animation. I'm indecisive, which one do you think I should study?
      I love both, but idk which one would be better, talking about jobs and stuff

  • @darrherr
    @darrherr 5 років тому

    You guys have been such an inspiring pair of dudes. As someone fresh out of college and trying to get my foot in the door this was the best kind of content I could've asked for. Keep more facts and tips about the industry comin!

  • @K_Disk
    @K_Disk 4 роки тому

    I gotta really thank you guys for taking the time and the extra mile to help out smaller or beginner artists you don't get that much on this platform

  • @anettemcomics211
    @anettemcomics211 5 років тому +3

    About earning: what can you say about Patreon and alike sites?

    • @ColinJWiens
      @ColinJWiens 5 років тому

      What do you want to know about them?

    • @anettemcomics211
      @anettemcomics211 5 років тому

      @@ColinJWiens For example what tiers are attractive, what works best in general, how many things I should offer on each tier. Is a certain price is too high/too low etc

    • @ColinJWiens
      @ColinJWiens 5 років тому

      @@anettemcomics211 Well they have a pretty informative Patreon in the description. 2-3 tiers are normal, but make sure they don't cost more then they're worth. Their highest tier is $35 because they have to dedicate significant personalized time to it. Some artists make a high tier with limited slots for commissions.

  • @Flintofmother
    @Flintofmother 5 років тому

    GUYS! I just discovered your channel last week and is amazing, you have no idea how many people ask me this and never believe me when I tell the facts. Keep doing this I will share it everywhere!

  • @miraclebrainstudio
    @miraclebrainstudio 4 роки тому

    I've been looking for a video about this for so long, you guys are awesome! Thank you!!

  • @kingcabbage9502
    @kingcabbage9502 4 роки тому

    This is FANTASTIC thank you so much for this resource! And thank you VERY VERY much for using actual real numbers! You are all a blessing, excited I found your channel! Passing it around to all the young animators I know trying to learn!

  • @andrestoro3450
    @andrestoro3450 5 років тому +1

    I cant get over how good and helpful this channel has been for me.
    *Thank you!*

  • @whiteflash27
    @whiteflash27 5 років тому

    Really appreciate this video guys! Been asking this question everywhere with no solid answer!!

  • @RenzoNovelli
    @RenzoNovelli 5 років тому

    Thank you guys!! The advice in the video is totally necessary in all creative fields!! We need to be more transparent on budgets and getting everybody paid, great work guys!

  • @brendanloscar
    @brendanloscar 5 років тому

    Ahh dudes! Love any format you put out. The information is gold, many thanks!

  • @jaydenmueller4303
    @jaydenmueller4303 5 років тому

    Fantastic format, I'd love more videos like this. Also what you guys are doing is fantastic and as an aspiring animator your Chanel is fantastic. Thank you for what you do

  • @karenguerra3149
    @karenguerra3149 4 роки тому

    This video was so informative and as a new artist in the field. No one has spoken about the subject up front and clearly. Clear to the point and honest thank you!

  • @ArtemensiaK
    @ArtemensiaK 5 років тому

    This is GOLD! I rewatch it right away. Love it! It is so helpful!

  • @AkiAmeko
    @AkiAmeko 5 років тому

    THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT VIDEO I'VE WATCHED ALL YEAR, POSSIBLY EVER. Thank you so very much and PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST MORE VIDEOS TALKING BUSINESS. ♡

  • @Josedraws
    @Josedraws 4 роки тому

    I can't even begin to accurately express my gratitude for the work you guys do on this channel so I'm not gonna try but just know that you guys are deeply appreciated.
    Also thats a dope ass pocket square.

  • @guuguuplex
    @guuguuplex 4 роки тому

    Bam is the best resource I(/we, the internet) have ever stumbled across. Absolutely amazing! There is like zero fat on your sentences and the topics you cover are sensational, especially ones like this, that were once only privy to industry.
    Just... Thank you!
    And, in-case it wasn't obvious, I am in awe.

  • @markusvonstubblelord226
    @markusvonstubblelord226 4 роки тому

    Frigging love this channel. This had a lot of valuable information that I needed to get. Thank you so much guys, you're doing an amazing job!

  • @julias2262
    @julias2262 4 роки тому

    You guys are actually my art heroes - THANK YOU for such cohesive, well-constructed advice. Truly appreciated

  • @noahmiller347
    @noahmiller347 5 років тому

    I love your advice, and I especially love the down to earth format of this vid. While your skits are fun, I feel that the imformitive content stands up better with your natural curisma!

  • @GabrielPeregrino
    @GabrielPeregrino 5 років тому

    You guys are the best. This information is needed more than anything, especially for young artist. Keep up the great work guys.
    You guys are becoming one of my favorite channels.

  • @hannahmeek44
    @hannahmeek44 5 років тому

    This video was so needed in the UA-cam world!! Thank you!

  • @kurtholus
    @kurtholus 5 років тому +1

    As a student going to school for animation, any advice and insight you guys put out is extremely valuable. This video isn't as light hearted as your other stuff but this isn't a light hearted topic and I can appreciate that. I think continued mixed output would make for an interesting juxtaposition in your content. I would subscribe again if I could.

  • @Kongelino
    @Kongelino 5 років тому

    I just wanna thank you guys cuz in every video you guys make, I learn a ton of information, and being a foreign student that wanna get in the animation area is not easy. Thank you guys, you're awesome :)

  • @Liquid_Jim
    @Liquid_Jim 5 років тому

    The content you guys create is fantastic, keep it coming, the variety just adds to the whole learning and growing experience. Much love!❤

  • @MiMi-xh6rz
    @MiMi-xh6rz 5 років тому

    This is the most helpful channel, yall rlly clarify everything n have good advices!

  • @crypticcorgi8280
    @crypticcorgi8280 5 років тому

    I really just cannot express enough about how much I appreciate you guys.
    My art and animation has improved directly because of you guys.
    I have considered selling my art before and now I got a understanding of the critical business aspect of it.
    I feel like I am not just this fish out water about it.
    I really love the energy and enthusiasm you put in each video. It has all been a source of inspiration for me each time. They are each gems.
    So I just want take a moment to thank you for what you do and the effort you put in just because you wanted more information and pointers available for beginning artist.
    I really appreciate you guys.
    If I ever get somewhere with this. I hope I can give back like you guys.

  • @Mallerd
    @Mallerd 5 років тому

    You guys are so fantastic. This channel has teached me so much not only about Art but the Business around it. Keep up the Great work guys!

  • @aidemata1
    @aidemata1 5 років тому

    This video was a game changer for me. Ever since I discovered your guy's channel I feel hopeful somehow to improve and see a more clear path into a future of art and hopefully a job. Thank you. Have a nice day :)

  • @santiagoalzate8820
    @santiagoalzate8820 5 років тому

    this was great! loved the format and I´ll definetly keep watching this kind of videos

  • @TuyenNguyen-ye1gq
    @TuyenNguyen-ye1gq 4 роки тому

    Thank you for sharing these tips. I loving watching your videos and learning from your experience. I'm a new bee in Animation industry, so these tips are golden keys for me.

  • @JoximusARTpage
    @JoximusARTpage 5 років тому

    UA-cam recommended this to me and I can't even explain how good the timing of this video for me is. Thanks guys

  • @CptKosher
    @CptKosher 4 роки тому

    Great video guys! Just found your channel after looking up this topic. All the info was very clear and you guys got to the point

  • @ItsBrandonAllred
    @ItsBrandonAllred 5 років тому

    Love this format! I just had a client ask for an invoice for the first time so this is perfect timing

  • @Luqueso1
    @Luqueso1 4 роки тому

    First time I sub in to a you-tube channel,the quality of your content is priceless y hope you guys keep going this way