The beginning of the Good News of Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God - the proclamation of the word which manifested God our Father, the word which God gave to Jesus at the Jordan.
The Logos of John 1:1 is the expression of the Father. The Logos was inherent within the Father (1:1b). But God expressions what He is and who He is. That is why it says the Logos was God, that is, the Logos was the essence of the Father Himself, who He is and what He is. Jesus fully expressed the Father in all that he did, the Father abiding in him.
@@jmrdrgz If someone’s words are with them, they are a man/woman of their word (in other words, their word always comes to pass - which is certainly true for God). Also words are a means of how you can know people, as words proceed from our personality (we are our works/our words and actions). The difference is, word is the nature of God, and not the nature of men. God is a spirit, John 4:24. Men are flesh. Don’t forget what Jesus said about what his words were: ”It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.“ John 6:63 NKJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God. (Subject is the Word:Jesus) 3 All things were made by him (Subject is the Word:Jesus); and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him(Jesus) was life; and the life(Jesus) was the light(Jesus) of men. 5 And the light(Jesus) shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light(Jesus), that all men through him might believe. 8 He(John) was not that Light(Jesus), but was sent to bear witness(John) of that Light(Jesus). 9 That was the true Light(Jesus), which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He(Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by him(Jesus), and the world knew him not. 11 He(Jesus) came unto his own(mankind), and his own(mankind) received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he(Jesus) power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name(Jesus): 13 Which(Jesus) were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Nobody else were born of God except (Jesus) 14 And the Word(Jesus) was made flesh(Jesus), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (The main subject in this chapter is THE WORD, THE LIGHT, THE LIFE, THE NAME THAT SHOULD BE BELIEVED, THE ONE THAT WAS BORN OF GOD and He is JESUS)
The traditional translation of John 1:1c:Although the consensus is " the Word was God", it is by no means unanimous among scholars. Google "John 1:1- Wikipedia" and you will see about 25 versions, if you scroll down to the sites bottom, that render it as "the Word was Divine" "Godlike"," was a god" and similar. AlsoThe Good news Bible says "he was the same as God" and Moffats,"the word was divine", the new English Bible " and what God was, the Word was" the revised English Bible "and a divine kind (or a god was the Word)" . New world Translation" the word was a god", Goodspeeds, "and the word was divine" and there are many more I could quote. There would be at least 100 that dont line up with the traditional. So why is this and how should it be correctly translated? (1) it must be in harmony with the rest of the scriptures for there cannot be any contradiction. (2) we must be open minded if we want the truth. (3) It comes down to Greek Grammar along with context. (4)(a) Kel is right when he asks what beginning? for God had no beginning .Stongs interlinear at Rev 3:14 says Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God, as does the ASV and NASV. (b) If Jesus as the Word was" with God " would he not be outside the province of God? (c)In the entire bible there is ALWAYS a definite article "the" preceding theos or theon when referring to God. The words in Greek re" with God" literally read" ho Logos pros ton theon" or the word was with THE God. Note that Logos has the definite article "ho" but theos has NONE. ZIP. Scholars argue it doesnt matter and others say it does . I am not going to buy into that now. But it seems to me there is good reason to question the traditional. (d) if you go to Strongs interlinear and look at Acts 12:22 and Acts 28:6 you will see the same thing, theos without any article and because the context demands it both are rendered "a god" (e) One Scholar, I couldnt get his name for now but I quote him thus: "Translators must pay attention to the source texts and stop parroting each others work,. they must make a distinction between theos and ho theos. Sloppy translators make a confusing soup out of the N.T" I actually think it is as much the churches putting pressure on their scholars to tow the traditional line. (f) In Johns prologue v18 says "No one has seen God at any time" yet a couple of million saw Jesus??? it goes on to say he was Gods" only begotten son"(MONO GENES IOUS), repeated also again at John 3:16 and again at 1John 4:9. See Col1:15, John5:26 John 6:57 and Prov 8:30. So in summary I assert the traditional is wrong because the context, the Grammar, and the rest of the scriptures say so. Without any article; translators are at liberty to insert the indefinite article if they think the context warrants it, and, make it adjectival or descriptive, whether it be theos or any other anarthrous noun. Ciao, its now my bed time. remember no bias if you want the truth!
turbo rat ....retranslated YOUR version to conform with what the Greek text is really saying and in harmony with Ps 33:6, 9, and 11 which parallels John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same (the Word/spirit ) was in the beginning with God. (Subject is the Word: Spirit/ power and authority of God) 3 All things were made by IT (Subject is the Word: Spirit/ power and authority of God); and without IT was not any thing made that was made. 4 In IT (The spirit of God) was life; and the life (the spirit ) was the light (spirit) of men. 5 And the light (spirit of God) shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (YOU TRANSLATED CORRECTLY AS an (IT) 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light (The spirit of God, coming down upon Jesus anointing him as the Messiah), that all men through him might believe. 8 He (John) was not that Light (the spirit of God or the Messiah or chosen one), but was sent to bear witness of that Light (the spirit of God coming down upon him upon Jesus). 9 That was the true Light (Spirit of God), which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He (God by the spirit in Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by him (God who's spirit was in Jesus), and the world knew him not. 11 He (God by the spirit dwelling in Jesus who represesnts God ) came unto his own (mankind), and his own (mankind) received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he (Jesus, by the power invested in him by God) power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (Jesus the one chosen as the Messiah who would give life to those believing he was the lamb of God): 13 Which (by the spirit) were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Jesus was the natural born heir of the spirit at his baptism and his disciples became adopted heirs and sons by the spirit of God as they became believers and were baptised into his name) 14 And the Word (the spirit of God) was made flesh (one with Jesus at his baptism), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (The main subject in this chapter is The coming of the Messiah....The identity of the one who would be chosen to have God's spirit / word bestowed upon him according to Deut 18:15-18, Isa 11:2 Isa 61:1-4, Isa 42 :1..... THE WORD, THE LIGHT, THE LIFE, THE NAME THAT SHOULD BE BELIEVED, THE ONE THAT WAS BORN OF GOD and He is JESUS) John bore witness at his baptism that Jesus was the one chosen to be the Messiah. The one chosen to have the power and authority of God's word, when he witnessed the visible manifestation of the spirit coming down upon Jesus and audible manifestation that Jesus was chosen as the son of God = The Messiah. Jn 1:31--34, Jn 20:31
@@henrylafromboise4581 I don't know if your were talking to me but what scripture are you referring to and what link are you using to view the dead sea scrolls? So I can check. Thanks
there are 2 beginnings, Johns was the beginning in Genesis, because the first words that God says in Genesis is "let there be light" Jesus is that light that came into the world and that light was manifested in flesh and dwelt among us.
the INSPIRED writers of the NT applied to Jesus YHWH passages: # 1- OT Isaiah 40:3-5 applied to Jesus in the NT here Matt. 3:3-6; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76; 3:2-6; John 1:22, 23. # 2- OT Isaiah 6:1-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 12:36-42 # 3- OT Isaiah 45:22-25 applied to Jesus in the NT here Ph. 2:10 # 4- OT Zechariah 12:8-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 19:34-37 # 5- OT Psalm 24:7-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Cor. 2:7, 8 # 6- OT Joel 2:32 applied to Jesus in the NT here Rom. 10:13 # 7- OT Psalm 34:8 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Pet. 2:3, 4 # 8- OT Malachi 4:5, 6 applied to Jesus in the NT here Luke 1:16, 17 # 9- OT Isaiah 44:6; 48:12 applied by Jesus to Himself and recorded by John in the NT here Rev. 1:7, 8, 17, 18; 2:8; 22:12-16 the inspired writer of Hebrews quoted Psalm 102:25-27 WORD FOR WORD from the Septuagint (LXX) and applied to the Son: "And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11 They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; 12 Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.” Heb. 1:10-12
1 Kings 19:9 “And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?”
You'll see "ego eimi" as John 8:58 says in many other places, this particular context is no more special. I used to think it meant Jesus was just pre-existent in some form(albeit no claim to Godhood) but now I wonder if it's just him expressing to them to believe on Him for WHO He is... their Messiah, their Christ. That is the immediate and entire context of all John, that the readers would know Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. If John wanted to say God, he could have easily, but didn't.
Nope. In that verse it was the father speaking, not the son (the spirit was speaking through the flesh, not the flesh/the body on its own authority - John 5:30). The context is, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” John 8:56. If you read Genesis 18, you’ll read on how the Lord appeared to Abraham, and Abraham rejoiced (because he saw God in person and he was promised a son by him, I’d do the same 😭). So when Jesus said, “I AM,” it was indeed a claim to pre-existence and Godhood, but he wasn’t talking about his flesh.
Mhm. Do you know what that name is? Because father, son and Holy Ghost are not names. ”Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,“ Matthew 28:19 NKJV ”Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.“ Acts 2:38 NKJV “…be baptised in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit.” Matthew 28:19 “…be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.” Acts 2:38 They’re not separate persons. The carnal mind misinterpreted separate natures for separate persons. Such is to be expected because we are all fools, and only God is true. May God bless u 🙏🏾
Police also say to criminals "stop! In the name of Law!" Does the law means its a person? No, it is a power that works that use by someone who has authority
U know what’s so “clear” is just how unclear the Bible is😂😂 so many people arguing how clear it is wen at the same time nobody agrees on what it’s saying 😂😂
Oh man of wisdom...Your observation was given by the spirit. The Bible is not the word of God, never was, never will be. There is no truth in the Bible. Those who war over it are all carnally minded. The real truth is to listen to the spirit of truth, the logos, the real word of God.
That is why it also say it have to be read with observation, because reading this is like a treasure hunting, there are gems and pearls, and the jackpot is life, the key to understand this is humbleness and willingness.
The logos concept was there at least from the time of Plato. Philo of Alexandria, living at the same time as Jesus, wrote much on it. His ideas were much the same as expressed later by John. It's impossible that John was not influenced by the ideas of Philo and others as far as the logos concept is concerned.
I had placed a reply above for which the Preacher replied, "You are mistaken"! Can you explain why and how I am mistaken. My answer was about "In beginning" or "en arche"- in Greek in Jn. 1:1. This 'in beginning' refers to eternity past or indefinite time.
I love your teaching....I think you thoroughly prove your point and make it simple for us to understand. I have one proplem....it seems to me that you go after the "trinity" believers pretty hard. Jesus tells us he is not of this world, he is the Light of the World, before Abraham I am and when you see me, you see the Father. John 3:16 is one of the most important parts of the bible....top 3 if not top #1. Jesus tells us to Love God with all our hearts and only God the Father. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name, "he" shall teach you all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Don't reject Jesus as the Messiah and the Light of the World or the Counselor "Holy Spirit of God" has sent to us. This is why we have to believe, (1) God and one God only, the one God that Jesus prayed to over and over....the Father. Amen.
I am not sure what you are trying to say here but in the book of John in chapter 17 when he is praying to the Father, before he says that he is not of this world, he states "they are not of this world, even as I am not of the world" What he is referring to is the fact that like Jesus, his disciples were called to not be a part of world systems, but to do the will of the father. This is why Jesus said in John 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love his own: but because you are not of the world but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." Jesus was basically telling the father, these guys are with us. Secondly we are to rightly divide the truth according to 2Tim 2:15.. The scriptures have to harmonize.. When Jesus says when you see me, you see the father, its not because he is the father, he is saying that the father is the one who is making all this happen. This is why Jesus says in John 5:30 "I can of myself do nothing. As I hear (from the father) I judge; and my judgement is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me" Not only that but no man has seen the father at anytime according to John 4:12 and Jesus was clearly seen. God is not a man Numbers 23:19 The Gospel is about a Kingdom, when you know what a Kingdom is you know that it is passed down from a Father to a son. Jesus was sent to this world to atone for mans sin through his blood and he was made Lord and king of the kingdom because of his sacrifice for all of mankind. He deserves honor and praise. The trinity is man made and has nothing to do with the God of the bible. There is God the father, and he had a wonderful Son named Jesus that through his name we might be saved.
@ginomehl758 Do you think that God humbled Himself and became the human Son Jesus Christ? Or do you think that Jesus Christ is God's Son, and not God Himself? I have been struggling with this question for a while. I have found many strong arguments for both sides but I like to ask was other people believe...
John clearly refers here to Jesus. Furthermore, in his epistle he confirms it: “The one who existed from the beginning is the one we have heard and seen. We saw him with our own eyes and touched him with our own hands. He is Jesus Christ, the Word of life” (1 John 1:1).
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life (NASB) As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 2:24.
Yes Bob you are right, BUT, God doesnt have a beginning, Jesus did. (read Rev 3:14) Strongs, ASV, NASV, KJV, and dont pay heed to some modern translations who squirm away from the word and lyingly render it as "beginner", "primary source" or even "ruler"as per the New International Version.
Ralph Goreham Wrong show me in scripture Where he had any beginning - read the scriptures oh Bethlehem though thou be the smallest of any town in Judea -out of you shall He come forth whose Goings forth have been from old from everlasting! Titus says we wait for the Glorius coming of the Great God our Savior Jesus Christ - want more
Ralph Goreham John the Baptist said Jesus is greater then me because He came before Me - now Ralph how can that be when John was born before Jesus ? Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God Paul states and he got direct revelation from Jesus - Jesus said I Am the Alpha and Omega - Ralph in all due respect your do wrong
Something I thought about John 1:1 **"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."** This is the explanation that words are a form of linguistics that allows you to express order, knowledge, awareness, etc through language, order by it's own means is better than not being able to communicate, so order is good and that is God when taken to the absolutes. However the bible is constructed by humans in order to explain reality from a perspective not based on the scientific method, reason why is because they obviously had no means of defining reality through a method they cannot conceive of. The stories are all true in the idea that they have psychological significance that could leave you in awe of it's wisdom for your entire lifetime. That in itself is my baseline for why I would say I have no idea if a God exists but God from a psychological perspective DEFINITELY exists and that is indisputable. This is wisdom passed down for thousands of years and goes beyond the bible itself. The bible is really just a collection of an acute understanding of our consciousness and conceptions of reality, the stories are tools which teach people how to move through life with MEANING. Meaning is what religious axiomatic systems are predicated on which is why the suffering, the smart, the unintelligent, the resentful, etc can all look towards these systems for meaning. The inability to separate God and the Word is because without the Word, you cannot begin to conceive of God. Prior to being able to use linguistics (the Word) we already had acted out the same rules that work because if they didn't work we wouldn't act them out, story and drama came before rules and the conception of the hierarchy. God the Father, or the value to be achieved at the top of the hierarchy is pursued by the archetypal hero (The Son) however we cannot understand what the value is and where the end of the value lies if we cannot define the hierarchy itself (The Holy Ghost) and by recognizing the hierarchy you are about to transcend the hierarchy as such sight and awareness is attached to light and order.
@Brother Kel • Context is king. JOHN 1:1 "WORD" 0:50 "John had in mind the same spoken word" as Genesis 1. "BEGINNING" 3:50 "What beginning did John have in mind?" Still Genesis would make sense, but no. He was now thinking about 1John 1:1-2 !? What about the verse that you conveniently skimmed over? JOHN 1:3 Talking about CREATION, in fact without him (the Word) there was nothing made that was made. This video started off well but...
Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says, Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead.1 Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and also a disciple of John the Apostle. He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes, Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ our God; even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy.2 Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life through the blood of God you completed perfectly the task so natural to you.3 There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, God in man, true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord.4 For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.5 Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.6 For our God Jesus Christ is more visible now that he is in the Father.7 I glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise, for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ.8 Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered, who for our sake endured in every way.9 Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century. And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.10 Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts.11 Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ.12 The Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God. And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin....13 For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.14 Melito of Sardis (died c. AD 180) was the bishop of the church in Sardis. He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body-God put to death! ... [I]n order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened-because they slew God, who hung naked on the tree.... This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.15 Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp, who in turn had been a disciple of John the Apostle. For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man.... He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men;-all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him.16 He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that He was very God, from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.17 Christ Jesus [is] our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father.18 Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.19 Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and His essence, that He is God (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). And He shows that He is a man.... [W]e should not understand that He is a mere man only, nor, on the other hand, from the name Emmanuel, should suspect Him to be God without flesh.20 Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another early church father. He wrote around AD 200. He writes, This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, He alone being both, both God and man-the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal.... The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher that as God He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends.21 For it was not without divine care that so great a work was accomplished in so brief a space by the Lord, who, though despised as to appearance, was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Savior, the clement, the Divine Word, He that is truly most manifest Deity, He that is made equal to the Lord of the universe; because He was His Son, and the Word was in God....22
@@TheTrinityDelusion The Attributes of Jesus. Creator. Scripture unambiguously teaches that “God” created all things. In fact, in Isaiah 44:24, the Bible says the LORD (Yahweh) alone created the heavens and earth. In Colossians 1:16 Scripture teaches Jesus created all things. This is an unmistakable declaration of the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth. 1. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) 2. Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,” (Isaiah 44:24) 3. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. (Colossians 1:16) Worship Jesus received worship from both angels and mankind. (Matthew 28:9, 17, Philippians 2:10, Hebrews 1:6, Revelation 5) Worship is reserved exclusively for God (not to either mankind or angels). (Exodus 20:5, Acts 14:15, 20:26, Revelation 19:10) Authority to Forgive Sins Scripture teaches that God alone has the authority to forgive sin. (Isaiah 43:25, Psalm 32:5, Psalm 130) This same attribute is a part of Jesus’ ministry. “And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “My son, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:5-7) Omnipresence “For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” (Matthew 18:20) One of the attributes of God is omnipresence: that is being at all places at all times. In the above verse Jesus told his disciples that he wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in his name he would be present. This is impossible for an angel or man to accomplish. Inherent Authority-to declare the Words of God In the Old Testament the prophets always prefaced their prophetic statements with, “thus saith the LORD.” They did this to demonstrate the source and hence authority of the words. When Jesus utters the words of God he makes no such preface, but rather says, “I say”. (not as the prophets, “thus saith the LORD.” (Matt. 5:22, 28, 32, 34, 39, 44) The Titles of the Father and the Son. Another convincing piece of evidence for the deity of Christ are the “titles” that are bestowed on both the Father and the Son. Here are a few examples. First and the Last Father: Thus says the LORD (Yahweh), the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.” (Isaiah 44:6) Clearly, the title, “I am the first and the last” in this verse is in reference to the LORD (Yahweh). See also Isaiah 41:4, 44:12. Son: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. (Revelation 1:17-18) Son: And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. (Revelation 2:8) These last 2 references are clearly referring to Jesus. Therefore the same title “I am the first and the last” is bestowed on both the Father and the Son. Alpha & Omega Closely related to First and Last is the title Alpha and Omega. Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet and Omega the last, hence the relationship to First and Last. There are 3 references to the title Alpha and Omega in the book of Revelation: Father: I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (Revelation 1:8) Father: And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. (Revelation 21:8) Son: “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22:16) The first 2 references are clearly referring to “God.” The 3rd reference is definitely referring to the Son, since he is the one “coming soon.” (see 1:7, 22:16, 20) Therefore the title Alpha and Omega is applied to both the Father and the Son interchangeably. King of Kings and Lord of Lords Father: “which he will display at the proper time-he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen” (1 Timothy 6:15-16, see also Deuteronomy 10:17, Psalm 136:3) All references to the Father. Son: They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful. (Revelation 17:14) Son: “On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.” (Revelation 19:16) A clear reference to Jesus. Another title that is used for both God the Father and God the Son.
@@TheTrinityDelusion From the Greek Almighty means, 3841. pantokrator, pan-tok-rat'-ore; from G3956 and G2904; the all-ruling, i.e. God (as absolute and universal sovereign): -- Almighty, Omnipotent. Strong's Dictionary We then can say yes, this definition describes Christ as all-ruling, Almighty and Omnipotent. Does the Bible tell us that Christ to be called the Mighty God? Yes. (Isaiah 9:6 NIV) "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah tells us that Jesus is to be called the Mighty God. God in Hebrew means, 410. 'el, ale; short. from H352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty deity, power, strong. Comp. names in "-el." Strong's Dictionary This definition describes Jesus. We find the definition Almighty, meaning Omnipotent, and God, as meaning Almighty deity. On this evidence alone Jesus can be called Almighty God. Does Jesus call himself the Lord God Almighty? Yes Revelation 1:7 (NIV) "Look, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen." (Revelation 1:8 NIV) ""I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Who is coming in the clouds? Verse 7, the one who was pierced. Jesus. What is His name? Verse 8, the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, the Almighty. (Revelation 22:12 NIV) "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done." (Revelation 22:13 NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Who gives rewards at His soon coming? Verses 12, 13, the Alpha and the Omega. (Matthew 16:27 NIV) "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will reward each person according to what he has done." Who is the Son of man that is coming in His Father's glory? Verse 27, it is The Son of Man, (Jesus). Compare with the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God Almighty that is coming and was pierced, in Revelation 1: 7,8. (Revelation 22:20 NIV) "He who testifies to these things says, 'Yes, I am coming soon.' Amen. Come, Lord Jesus." Who is coming soon? the Lord Jesus. Compare Revelation 22: 12,13 as the Alpha and Omega. Does It Make a Difference? Because of the authority given Ellen G. White by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, many that read her statement that "the man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" will regard it as truth. What does this false statement do to the deity of Christ? It says that the Father and Son are not really equal in their deity and that the Father is the Lord God Almighty and Christ is somewhat of a lesser God. This is very similar to the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses who believe that Jesus Christ is not God equal to the Father, and regard Him as just "a god " (with a small g). This is found in their New World Translation of John 1:1.The Wittiness also believe that Jesus is a mighty god and Jehovah is the Lord God Almighty. This gives Ellen G. White, the SDA Church and the Jehovah's Witness two Gods, one that is Almighty and one that is not as Almighty. The Truth Jesus Christ is called the Lord God Almighty, and the Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:8, the same as the Father is called the Lord God Almighty and the Alpha and Omega. (Revelation 21:5-6) Almighty applies to Christ, from the Greek word "pantokrator," which means all-ruling, Almighty, Omnipotent. The Savior is equal to the Father, (Colossians 2:9 NIV) "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form," God bless you as you lift up Jesus to His full deity as the Lord God Almighty. In Revelation chapter 22 verse 13 and in Revelation chapter 1 verse seven and eight the one that is coming again is the Lord Jesus Christ he is called the one who is it who was in who is to come the Almighty, Jesus himself said I am the alpha and the omega the first and the last the beginning and the end. Right there Jesus claimed the attributes of God and took the attributes of God upon himself. Jesus is worshiped as God is worshiped there’s only one savior according to the Bible Jesus is that Savior so therefore going back to the original statement he is God. So yes Jesus Christ claimed to be God Almighty he didn’t say hey I’m going to worship me in half to he made it clear by his actions and his will and by his words. Even the Pharisees knew that only God can forgive all sin Jesus said I can’t forgive All sin, Jesus called God his own father he made himself equal with God the father in John chapter 5 or 18, Thomas one of the apostles of Christ said that Jesus was his Lord and his God calling him God to his face Jesus never rejected him except praised him on his belief. So there’s only one God but he exists eternally as three persons father son and Holy Spirit they’re all three distinct Jesus Christ is not a father he was sent by the father to do the fathers will but he is equal to the father in essence nature in unity along with the Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit God to yeah scored a second Corinthians chapter 3 verse 12 and 18 where God is called the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit can speak be Blast themed against, be lied to he has a will etc he has all the attributes of personhood. The Holy Spirit and dwell‘s within the Christian who believes and pacific in Christ Jesus, also if you confess with your mouth at Jesus Christ‘s Lord then you are saved in Romans chapter 9 verse five Jesus Christ is called God overall so Jesus is it gonna according to scripture he is cording to the angels they worship him there’s only one being that you should worship and that is God it would be blasphemy the angels to worship another created being that would be inappropriate if Jesus is not God however he is worshiped by all the angels in heaven therefore that makes in God. So you’re beat there’s to Trinity that is biblical so yes Jesus Christ claimed and is God and I gave you a proof of it.
@@jeremiahrowesr.3130 Jehovah God created all things but used his firstborn son as a masterworker. Everything was created through the son Jesus couldn't do anything without Gods power Proverbs 8 says jesus was beside God as a masterworker
In Greek, we see “logos”. “Logos” is rarely, if ever capitalized anywhere else in the New Testament. So, those truly seeking to know God should ask themselves, “WHY is the common Greek ‘logos’ translated into a proper noun in John 1 when nowhere else do we see that?” And also, “WHO decided that ‘logos’ should be treated as a proper noun here, but nowhere else?” The answer is simple. The false doctrine that Jesus is God has been pushed for centuries. Jesus is the Messiah, Yahawah’s only begotten Son, and the only way into The Almighty’s Kingdom.
The Trinity Delusion I’m curious as to why the “Jesus is God” crowd hold so tightly to this belief when the NT repeatedly and emphatically denies this from beginning to end. What do you think is the motivation behind people wanting so badly to believe this?
One reason is that they have been brainwashed to believe it. They are taught it is necessary to be a Christian. Because of this, those who seek peer approval rather than God's approval won't detract because they are afraid of disapproval of their peers (this includes scholars and theologians). Others cling to it because they wrongly think their saving faith is acknowledging the right doctrines so they are too afraid to doubt this doctrine for fear of damnation. A third set is the modern scribes. They are afflicted by the first two reasons but they also hold on to the doctrine due to pride. Too humiliating for an academic to be mocked by his peers and possibly by non-Trinitarians if he admits this doctrine is wrong. And they have their careers built on teaching and justifying the Trinity or other doctrines built on the Trinity. If the Trinity goes, so does the career. Money. But it goes deeper than that. Have you ever noticed that when they explain Jesus' death that they start by telling you he has two natures, one divine, one human, and he only died in his human nature and remained alive in his divine nature. Then they proceed to tell you what death means for EVERY man and how only your body dies but not your spirit. They really think they have two natures like Jesus which they rather call "parts." They think they are immortally divine like God the son (spirit) and like Jesus, only their human nature (flesh/body) will be dead. Their false Jesus is just like their own false concept of themselves and that's why they cling to it. It's the original lie and very much like the Cerinthian lie in John's first letter (antichrists). They are in the snares of evil and darkness but do not know it since they have never seen the Light of God, blind men who think they see because they do not know what it is like to see. If you want to really understand why, fully understand why the Pharisees killed Jesus. There was nothing Jesus could do or say that would make them believe. That's because they really didn't care about the truth; they only cared about their personal desires. And that is the biggest problem of all with people. Today it is called Confirmation Bias; in Jesus' day it was simply deluded souls believing their own lies.
*NONSENSE!!* In many places *ALL OVER THE BIBLE*, lower case in used when mentioning divinity, that does NOT prove that who is being referred to is not God. *>> According to the Zechariah; Jesus was God even when on the cross...* "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon *me whom they have pierced,* and they shall mourn for *him,* as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Note: *God* speaking declares that is *ME* on the cross; "and they shall look upon *ME whom they have pierced"* Also, God says *ME* and then *HIM, which is an indication of the Trinity.* *>>> You might want to read this...* > Proverbs 18:13 - "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." > Proverbs 10:28 - The wise man is glad to be instructed, but a self-sufficient fool falls flat on his face. > Proverbs 15:32 - "Whoever ignores instruction despises himself, but he who listens to reproof gains intelligence."
Trinitarians willfully overlook the fact that ego eimi was everyday language. The blind man in the next chapter identified himself by saying "I AM." Nobody considered throwing stone. If this was invoking the divine name then people would have been saying it all the time. And when John the Baptist says, "I AM not the Christ" he would have been saying "YAHWEH is not the Christ." Even if you suppose this WAS the divine name, you would still have this problem: "I will put MY words in his mouth."
it is still every day language now. BTW Neither Jehovah or Jesus are EVER ADDRESSED as I AM in the entire Bible. The Hebrew Word for I am was and is "ani" (google it.) This is one of Christendoms desperate bottom of the barrel twists to justify the trinity nonsense. (delusion if you like). Please read my exegesis on John 1:1c under Turbo Rat replies, above.
Irenaeus, student of Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna the disciple of the Apostle John, according to the Apostolic tradition given him (Against Heresies, 3.9): 1. *John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith, and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that "knowledge" falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word; and not, as they allege, that the Creator was one, but the Father of the Lord another;* and that the Son of the Creator was, forsooth, one, but the Christ from above another, who also continued impossible, descending upon Jesus, the Son of the Creator, and flew back again into His Pleroma; and that Monogenes was the beginning, but Logos was the true son of Monogenes; and that this creation to which we belong was not made by the primary God, but by some power lying far below Him, and shut off from communion with the things invisible and ineffable. *The disciple of the Lord therefore desiring to put an end to all such doctrines, and to establish the rule of truth in the Church, that there is one Almighty God, who made all things by His Word, both visible and invisible; showing at the same time, that by the Word, through whom God made the creation, He also bestowed salvation on the men included in the creation; thus commenced His teaching in the Gospel:* "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made. What was made was life in Him, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not." "All things," he says, "were made by Him; "therefore in "all things" this creation of ours is [included], for we cannot concede to these men that [the words] "all things" are spoken in reference to those within their Pleroma. For if their Pleroma do indeed contain these, this creation, as being such, is not outside, as I have demonstrated in the preceding book; but if they are outside the Pleroma, which indeed appeared impossible, it follows, in that case, that their Pleroma cannot be "all things: "therefore this vast creation is not outside [the Pleroma]. 2. *John, however, does himself put this matter beyond all controversy on our part, when he says, "He was in this world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.* He came unto His own [things], and His own [people] received Him not." But according to Marcion, and those like him, neither was the world made by Him; nor did He come to His own things, but to those of another. And, according to certain of the Gnostics, this world was made by angels, and not by the Word of God. But according to the followers of Valentinus, the world was not made by Him, but by the Demiurge. For he (Soter) caused such similitudes to be made, after the pattern of things above, as they allege; but the Demiurge accomplished the work of creation. For they say that he, the Lord and Creator of the plan of creation, by whom they hold that this world was made, was produced from the Mother; *while the Gospel affirms plainly, that by the Word, which was in the beginning with God, all things were made, which Word, he says, "was made flesh, and dwelt among us."* 3. *But, according to these men, neither was the Word made flesh, nor Christ, nor the Saviour (Soter),* who was produced from [the joint contributions of] all [the Aeons]. For they will have it, that the Word and Christ never came into this world; that the Saviour, too, never became incarnate, nor suffered, but that He descended like a dove upon the dispensational Jesus; and that, as soon as He had declared the unknown Father, He did again ascend into the Pleroma. Some, however, make the assertion, that this dispensational Jesus did become incarnate, and suffered, whom they represent as having passed through Mary just as water through a tube; but others allege him to be the Son of the Demiurge, upon whom the dispensational Jesus descended; while others, again, say that Jesus was born from Joseph and Mary, and that the Christ from above descended upon him, being without flesh, and impassible. *But according to the opinion of no one of the heretics was the Word of God made flesh. For if anyone carefully examines the systems of them all, he will find that the Word of God is brought in by all of them as not having become incarnate (sine carne) and impassible, as is also the Christ from above.* Others consider Him to have been manifested as a transfigured man; but they maintain Him to have been neither born nor to have become incarnate; whilst others [hold] that He did not assume a human form at all, but that, as a dove, He did descend upon that Jesus who was born from Mary. *Therefore the Lord's disciple, pointing them all out as false witnesses, says, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."*
Dude.. u pulled the Irenaeus card.. that’s cheating ;) no but seriously thanks for posting this. Its very insightful. The disciple of the disciple of the evangelist himself.. that should be enough to shut the mouths of the multitudes of individuals and cults who like to pull words and phrases out of context as fodder for their groundless speculations about something that is otherwise crystal clear. You’ve inspired me to read Irenaeus!
Jesus' Father is the first and last GOD Jesus was the first and last to die between both covenants That said, nowhere does Jesus ever declare Himself without beginning or end as His Father did - as those words belong to Jesus' own GOD and Father alone
@@GO_142 Was Melchizedek GOD? It doesn't take a genius to discover the relative details and conclusion as to the text is saying. PS, best to leave the serious topics to those with a capacity to respect the information and source from which these were given
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?” John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
None of those quotes are an issue. Jesus was in total obedience to God and through him God revealed himself. Thomas did not proclaim Jesus to be God but worshipped the God that was revealed through God's faithful servant. If all of us were this obedient I think we would understand what was really going on. But unfortunately, due to the intellectual and philosophical rot that seeped into christiantity the early church created this convoluted Godhead idea to centralize power and also try and maintain a stable relationship with the state.
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Why father son and spirit. Why baptise like this? Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" Why does the Father not send his own Spirit? Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Who is the US here? Exo 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' " Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." Joh 8:59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. Why did the Jews want to stone Jesus? Then all the verses about Jesus being the creator. When we know there was no one with God, when he created everything. Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself; Job 9:8 He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea; Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
When I read the passage again it really seems like the traditional interpretation is correct and Jesus is the word. Verses 2 and 3 clearly indicate the passage means the beginning of the world. I don’t know why the maker of this video wasted my time and tried to confuse so many people.
It is so clear, that Jesus is the Word of God, who was with God in the beginning, being not in the fashion of a man at the time, but rather, being in the form of God, and in The Father's express image, and it is... IN THIS SENSE,..... that Jesus is God.
Paul says, "And he is before all things" not just at the beginning, but BEFORE the beginning, thus he didn't BEGIN at any beginning. He is also referred to as "Him who IS, and who WAS..." He is YEHOVAH of the Tanakh, as ALPHA and OMEGA, the FIRST and the LAST, as in Isaiah "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the FIRST, I also am the LAST." Isaiah 48:12 Jesus, as God is "one" with God, NOT a numerical 'one' but as Jesus prayed in John 17: "That THEY (plural) may be ONE, even as WE (plural) are ONE."
kwonbbl I like this comment you have knowledge of what the words are for true, this lord and god word confuses the readers all the time for they don't no the diff between names and titles, the father of creation names is Yahweh the son name is Yahshua ha mashaich which means Yahweh is salvation, they need to know that on that day wee all will have that name Yahweh as well as our returning king name, we all will posses the family name Yahweh Jeremiah 23:5-6 a little insite
I’m not sure this will be read because there’s many comments here but here is some info that might help understand what John is saying in John 1:1. It says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (NKJV). It helps to look at other verses, for example, if we look at 1st John 4:8 we have the phrase “God is love”, But does that mean that God is just an emotion and doesn’t actually exist? That he is just the emotion of love? No, I don’t know anyone who would say that. Also look at Psalms 18:31 which says God is a rock and Psalms 78:35, “...God was their rock.” but does that mean God is a large boulder somewhere in the Holy Land? No, it’s speaking poetically or metaphorically. So you are looking at John 1:1 and saying that the word “Word” just means literal words or one word and that it means Jesus didn’t really exist (according to you). Try this, take the wording in John 1:1 “the Word was God” and change it around to say, “God was the Word”. Now compare that with 1st John 4:8, “God is love”, what’s the difference, that is, what’s the difference in the language being used” There’s no difference, it’s poetic language. So you can’t come to the conclusion that Jesus didn’t have a pre-human existence from John 1:1. Using your logic, in order to be consistent you would have to say the Father didn’t exist either. Compare: "God was the Word" "God is love" "God is a rock" There’s other verses also which say he existed like for example, 1st John 1:2 which specifically is talking about Jesus and says, “that eternal life” (“that” is in NKJV). He couldn’t be eternal and “with the Father” if his existence just began at his birth in Bethlehem (or whenever the conception took place). Just trying to help….......Mike in Missouri
@@johnspartan98 the word HE does not exist in the Greek manuscripts where John 8:24 appears. the word HE was added by the translators of different English versions. BTW Jesus was giving an answer to a question: "Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:57. 58 Abraham had been dead for over a 1,000 years. and the Lord told them I EXISTED before Abraham. "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God." Isa. 44:6 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last." Isa. 48:12 Jesus says this about Himself "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 1:7, 8 "And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Rev. 1:17, 18 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:" Rev. 2:8
@@johnspartan98 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God." Isa. 44:6 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last." Isa. 48:12 Jesus says this about Himself "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 1:7, 8 "And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Rev. 1:17, 18 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:" Rev. 2:8
@@johnspartan98 the Holy Spirit is also YHWH Heb. 9:1-7 gives a detailed description of the OT system of worship, the next v. 8 says Who gave the instructions: "THE HOLY SPIRIT INDICATING THIS, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing." Heb. 9:8 if you go to Exd. 25:1 you will discover Who gave those detailed instructions, "Then the Lord/YHWH spoke to Moses, saying:......" there is more: "But this Man, after offering one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God...For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. For AFTER HE HAD SAID BEFORE: "This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws on their hearts and write them on their minds, then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” Heb. 10:12-17 WHEN did the Holy Spirit say this before? “Behold, the days are coming, SAYS THE LORD/YHWH, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah....I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts;........For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." Jer. 31:31, 33, 34 NOTE the prophecy spoken to Jeremiah by YHWH is attributed as having been spoken by the Holy Spirit. the Holy Spirit is a Person. He leads, Matt. 4:1 He teaches, John 14:26 He testifies, John 15:26 He guides, Rom. 8:14 He speaks, Acts 13:2; 1 Cor. 2:13 He enlightens, John 16:13 He strives, Gen. 6:3 He commands, Acts 16:6, 7 He intercedes, Rom. 8:26 He sends workers, Acts 13:4 He calls, Rev. 22:17 He works, 1 Cor. 2:11 He sovereignly gives gifts, 1 Cor. 12:8-11 He is grieved, Eph. 4:30 He can be lied to, Acts 5:3, 4 He can be blasphemed, Matt. 12:31 He can be resisted, Acts 7:51 He can be insulted, Heb. 10:29
@@johnspartan98 "IN THE BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made...He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE THROUGH HIM.....And THE WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:1-3, 10, 14 the inspired writer of Hebrews wrote this about the Son "And: “You, Lord, IN THE BEGINNING laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands." Heb. 1:10 "has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;" Heb. 1:2 Paul wrote that the Son is the Creator of all things: "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Col. 1:17, 18
@@johnspartan98 the inspired writers of the NT applied to Jesus OT YHWH passages: # 1- OT Isaiah 40:3-5 applied to Jesus in the NT here Matt. 3:3-6; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76; 3:2-6; John 1:22, 23. # 2- OT Isaiah 6:1-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 12:36-42 # 3- OT Isaiah 45:22-25 applied to Jesus in the NT here Ph. 2:10 # 4- OT Zechariah 12:8-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 19:34-37 # 5- OT Psalm 24:7-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Cor. 2:7, 8 # 6- OT Joel 2:32 applied to Jesus in the NT here Rom. 10:13 # 7- OT Psalm 34:8 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Pet. 2:3, 4 # 8- OT Malachi 4:5, 6 applied to Jesus in the NT here Luke 1:16, 17 # 9- OT Isaiah 44:6; 48:12 applied by Jesus to Himself and recorded by John in the NT here Rev. 1:7, 8, 17, 18; 2:8; 22:12-16
I feel so sorry for your heavy laborious and therefore absolutely unconvincing attempt ! Knowledge of Truth is not merely intellectual but extremely experiential. John8:31,32
To experience something you need to have some grasp what that is. You can not say for example I saw something and expect that to explain anything to you or for someone else. If you think otherwise you are sadly deluded.
@Crusader of the Holy Grail that's true they misinterpreted the scripture and not it in contents the whole 1 chapter of john clearly shows that the Word is person but in matthew 24 Jesus said that many will be deceived so I'm not surprised that people are believing a lie just hope they come to the truth.
The beginning of the besorah of Messiah Yeshua, The dabar became basar, the besorah in the flesh, the dabar became flesh. The plan, the good news of YHVH, became fully realized in the human being Jesus/Yeshua, the beginning of the new creation of YHVH.
When Jesus rose from the dead, He went to heaven to go sit on the right hand side of the Father. If you claim that Jesus is God the Father, then explain; how can He sit next to Himself on His own right hand side? I see no logic.
Crusader of the Holy Grail I understand that Trinitarians claim that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate people yet are equal in one Essence of God. But that is just a straight pagan way of thinking. Egyptians, Babylonians, Hindus hold this type of reasoning. So if the son does not share the same place of power on the throne as the Father, how are they co-equal? And just to add to that claim, why doesn’t it say that the Holy Spirit is at The Fathers left hand if it is also co-equal to the father and son? You must understand that Jesus being an expressive image, a copy of the Father does not mean that he carries the same age and knowledge as the Father. You can have, for example, a written Document. If you make a copy of that Document, it does not ontologically carry the same Age and Knowledge as the Original Document. The same with Jesus. He has the same image as his father and can provide the same information and purpose. But that this not make him the Original and Eternal Creator of the universe. Makes perfect sense when we read that Jesus was the firstborn of all creation.
When trinitarian says jesus is God, they are not saying jesus is the Father, they are saying he is equal to the father which is they have the same divine nature. I and my Father are 👉one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest 👉thyself God. John 10:30-33 KJV Let this mind be in you, which was also in 👉Christ Jesus: Who, being in 👉the form of God, thought it not robbery to be 👉equal with God: Philippians 2:5-6 KJV
Quran Franklin I think everyone understands the trinity vs modalism on this page. Therefore it is not a question of Claiming the trinity a Unitarian God, it is a question of co-equality. How can the Son be Co-Equal to the Father if the Son is at the right hand side? That’s not coequal. That’s lesser authority. The Son does not have the same authority and essence as the Father. Therefore they are NOT coequal. And let me ask you, is the Holy Spirit at the Left hand side of the Father? Not even at all, it’s not even mentioned. Hence, neither the Son or the Holy Spirit is Equal to the Father. Matthew 24:6 No wonder Jesus said that NO ONE knows the day or hour but MY FATHER ONLY. The Son doesn’t know the day or hour. The Holy Spirit doesnt know the day or hour. Like I mentioned before. This teaching of a trinitarian mindset of logic is FLATRIGHT PAGAN. THe Babylonians, Egyptians, Hindus has always worshipped Triune Gods. Remember that when John the last apostle died, pagan beliefs and traditions were added to Christendom to convert people. This includes the Trinity.
Quran Franklin John 10:34 says, ‘Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?’ Now hold on just a second. They made a claim that Jesus is making himself God. But God in what sense??? As Jesus responded to them, it is clear that Jesus can help us clarify what kind of God the Jews were speaking about. He told them. Is it not written YOU ARE GODS? Now did Jesus tell them, is it not written YOU ARE ELOHIM? No that’s not what Jesus meant. The Bible speaks of others as Gods, with Divine authority. It even calls Kings and even Satan Gods. So when they attacked Jesus they were essentially claiming that Jesus was making himself of Divine Authority. A GOD. NOT THE GOD ALMIGHTY THE FATHER YAHWEH. Since they were complaining to Jesus about his Divine authority, it is perfectly clear that he counterclaimed them to be men of Divine authority. Gods. But he wasn’t calling them The God Yahweh. Makes sense?
You are incorrect but I will explain in detail the truth and facts. ⭐️ John 1:1 is the opening verse of the Gospel of John in the New Testament, and it reads: 📖 John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ⭐️ This verse is significant for several reasons, often seen as a foundational statement about the nature of Jesus Christ and His relationship to God. Let's break it down phrase by phrase: 1. **"In the beginning was the Word"**: - **"In the beginning"** refers to the time before creation, echoing the opening phrase of Genesis 1:1 ("In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"). This indicates that the Word existed before anything was created. - **"the Word"** (in Greek, "Logos") is a term used here to refer to Jesus Christ. In Greek philosophy, logos could mean reason, principle, or plan, among other things. In Hebraic thought, it often referred to God's spoken word, His creative power, and self-revelation. John uses "the Word" to describe Jesus as the divine agent of creation and revelation. -- 2. **"and the Word was with God"**: - This phrase emphasizes a distinction between the Word and God. The Word was in a close relationship with God, implying personal interaction and fellowship. -- 3. **"and the Word was God"**: - This climactic statement asserts the deity of the Word. Despite the distinction in relationship expressed in the previous phrase, John makes it clear that the Word's nature is fully and completely divine. ⭐️ In summary, John 1:1 establishes that Jesus (the Word) is eternal, existing before creation, is in a close relationship with God, and is, in essence, fully God. This verse plays a crucial role in Christian theology, especially concerning the Trinity, that describes their is only One God, who within His nature is the Father, Son and Spirit; also John 1:1 teaches Jesus is both fully divine and fully human. - The Trinity describes what is taught in the Old Testament and New Testament: Read it: Philippians 2:5-9 Hebrews 1:5-7 John 14:2 🚨Trinitarian believe in One God, Yahweh. 🚨 The word “Trinity” is a descriptive word describing what the Bible teaches in the Old and New Testament. Tertullian, an early Christian theologian from Carthage, is known to be the first to use the word “Trinity” to describe the Bible over a 100 years before the Council of Nicaea. 📖 Read the verses below: - Phil 2:5-9, teach Jesus is a part of the One God who is distinct God the Father. - Hebrew 1:5-12, teaches Jesus is not an Angel; and, God the Father tells us the Son is God. - John 14:26, The Spirit is God but is also distinct from God. That’s why the Father can send Him. - Revelations 22:13, Jesus is eternal, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. This is Fact per Jesus. ✝️ The Trinity believes only in the One God Yahweh, who within is nature is Father, Son, and Spirit. Father, Son and Spirit together is who the One and Only God, Yahweh is.
@@SmalltimR 📖 FACTS: Per the Bible: The Trinity is Yahweh. 1. If you ignore all Bible Scriptures out of Context you will believe whatever. 2. If read the Bible using complete Context, like the early Church Father, you will learn, The One True God, Yahweh, is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Also the Word Trinity is a descriptive word use by early Church Fathers, one of them is Tertullian. He used the word “Trinity,” describing what the Bible teaches, who Yahweh is, The One True God, who is Father, Son, and Spirit. 🚨Before the Council of Nicaea; the word Trinity had been used to describe what the Bible teaches. ⭐️ The first Church Father to use the term "Trinity" (Latin: "Trinitas") was Tertullian. He was an early Christian theologian from Carthage (modern-day Tunisia) who lived around 155- 240 AD. Tertullian is known for his contributions to early Christian theology and for being one of the first to articulate the concept of the Trinity in his work "Adversus Praxean," where he explained the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
It's so clear that Jesus was not God. Mat 4:8 Again, the Devil took Him up into a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. Mat 4:9 And he said to Him, All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me. Mat 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, Go, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve." Notice the does not say " And Jesus said, it is I you must worship and I alone." If we are to go by Trinity teachings Satan was there tempting God. Notice how all the demons always called him the "son of GOD." Jesus has always and will be the SON OF GOD.
Josianne Ashah "Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." Matthew 16:13-17 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do." John 8:40
you need to realise that when adam was tempted, he failed and sinned. Jesus came to be tempted and overcame it and in the same we can overcome sin if we are in Christ. Now what did the devil tempt Jesus with? 1-Food. To get to every man's heart you need to go through his stomach and a good piece of steak does the trick 2-This works especially when you are a child of God=You can do anything you want and nothing can happen to you 3-You can receive all the power in the world cause that is what most men want, power and all they want This is basically the 3 things with which men can be corrupted. Power and everything they want, to do what they want and food. Jesus overcame it and so we are able to do too. I know it isnt directly in the bible but when you look at the 7 deadly sins(which basically are sins and can also lead to other sins) youll see that gluttony(you eat to much and cant control yourself) is one of th things(and remember, when Jesus hadnt eaten anything for 40 days he didnt gobble up on food like many muslims do during ramadan, but he had self control). Basically you can work those famous 7 deadly sins into which satan tempted hiim with. Also, i guess you dont know the whole point why Jesus came to die for us. Fun fact, only God can die for us cause only God is sinless. But Jesus, even though he was 100% God in nature also took on 100% man in nature. And He didnt glorify Himself because he was in Holiness. He was subject to the will of His Father and that will is also for men to obey and worship God.
+Josianne Ashah Re:"It's so clear that Jesus was not God." You relate a part, and conceal the whole. Did not the apostle Matthew, just one chapter prior, write of John the Baptist fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 40:3, "Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God," in preparing the way for Jesus? If Jesus were not God, then the scriptures would not testify of Him as God, nor would they testify of Jesus being Him by whom all things were made. But the scriptures do testify Him of such, from the mouths of multiple witnesses. Both John and the author of Hebrews preface their works with the same teaching. Peter speaks of him as "our God and Savior Jesus Christ"; Paul speaks of Him in Titus as "the Great God and our Saviour" and to the Romans as "God over all." Thomas calls Him, "My Lord and my God." John, who declares that the "Word of God" is a name of Jesus, says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . . and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory." Paul writes to the Colossians, "For by him were all things created, visible and invisible . . . and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist." And to the Hebrews, speaking of the Son, he applies the Psalms "Thy throne, O God, is forever," and also, "You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands." All the ancient Greek writers, who spoke the same language in which the scriptures were written, also attest the same things from these same scriptures. Jesus declares His existence before Abraham came to be; in John 17, He speaks of the glory He had with the Father before the world began. Multiple times He declares that He came down from heaven, and says also, "I and my Father are one." Paul writes to the Philippians that He "took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men," and, "being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient, even to the death of the cross." Now these things indicate that He took upon Himself something that He was not before, and humbled Himself to become something He was not before. So then He lived as a man and as a servant in humility, concealing His Deity, and it is in that place we find Him during His earthly ministry. The truth is to be gotten from the whole of scriptures, not merely a part.
2 Cor 4:4 " The God ( Theos) of this world has blinded peoples minds". here Paul uses exactly the SAME greek word John used at John 1:1! Phil 3:19 "Making their appitite their god ( theos) same word again. John 10:34 "are not your leaders gods ( theos)". The word simply means "A powerful godlike one. It can apply to the Creator, the Son, and to men! In fact John did NOT use the DEFINITE ARTICLE to describe the 'Word' as 'God' where as the "God the Word was with" DID have the definite article! So some translators render the greek more accurately by saying "The Word was DIVINE" ( See Moffatt's respected bible). Yes God's son is of 'divine nature' ( Theoites) as the "Image" of his Father who is ALMIGHTY God, The Son is a God! But he told Mary before his ascension and AFTER his resurrection "I am ascending to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD". Nothing could be clearer, the Word in John 1:1 is God's 'Only begotten' SON. John concluded his gospel with this emphasis! " These things have been written that you may believe that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD" ( John 20:31)
The primary idea is that God the Father's Word tabernacled in Jesus and that flesh named Jesus fulfilled what that Word called him to do. John then says we have seen his glory. They saw the Shekinah glory of the Word of the Father in the signs/works which Jesus was doing. That flesh, the Son of MAN, was fulfilling everything the prophets had said about him, the Word which had come to the prophets. By obeying that Word he became the embodiment of the Word.
Because you possess your words they come from within you. E.g. you know someone by their words. Either they are a good or bad person by the words they speak.
@@driller7714 1. That’s figurative language humans use. 2. The “word” in those instances isn’t even talking about speech it’s talking about reliability/integrity. 3. Jesus is called the Word because he declares/expresses the Father (John1:18) not that He is the actual “speech” of God 4. When someone says “I gave you my word, etc, that “word” is impersonal, so is Jesus now not a person?
Yes, Trinitarians interpret theos at John 1:1c as a WHAT not a WHO. They read it to refer to the Trinitarian notion of a "divine nature" by reading 4th-5th century philosophy into the text. Additionally, the Logos is eisgetically defined in terms of the same 4th-5th century philosophy. For that reason they translate houtos & autos as "he" & "him" at John 1:2 & John 1:3. But as John 6:60 demonstrates, this is not due to the grammar but is a foisting their philosophy into the text.
Good jw stuff there. Lots of gymnastics and hoops to jump thru. I love how you really chop it up for us so we can’t read it as one piece. V 2 “He was in the beginning with God.” And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. - John 1:14 Question - who’s glory? We know God doesn’t share his glory with anyone according to the book of Isaiah, I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. - Isaiah 42:8 but what is Jesus talking about in jn 17:5? And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. Seems To me that Jesus and the father shared glory, yet His glory would be shared with no man.
I dunno if you ever check notifications anymore but, just today I think, I asked the Lord about John. I had a question I know, no man can answer. And here I came across this. I love how He works. I really enjoy your teachings. You are able to extract truth in the greatest of ways. I love it. I'm a Prophet guy, 100%. NT is very odd to me, and has many shapes to it.
1 Kings 19:9 “And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, (the word of the LORD came to him,) and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?”
It doesn't say the beginning of a new creation. It says "all things visible and invisible", Saint Paul also repeats this in Colossians 1:16 -- all things. Where? In heaven and on earth. Saints John and Paul believe Jesus to be the "Memrah" of God through which the universe was made, which was a thoroughly Jewish concept. But the words "new creation" neither appear in John 1:1-14 nor Colossians 1.
@@robertrecchia2642 Right, but Saint John's Gospel is based on the intro to Genesis; which is the initial creation. Hebrews 2:5 has nothing to do with that; but I'll take a look at it later.
@@aahlstrom93 You are interpreting John 1:1 in the traditional orthodox way in that it not only applies to Genesis but that God’s “word” (Logos) is referring to Jesus. Kel & myself are former Trinitarians who no longer believe in a literal preexistence of the son (Jesus).
When did the light come into the world? Was it at the Genesis creation account? Jesus told us when John 9:5 : 4-5 We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
The light entered the world here: Matthew 3:16-17 and John 1:32. God is Spirit and God is light and He gave Jesus His Spirit so that He, the Father, would be abiding in Jesus, the light within Jesus.
there's a verse that comes to mind when I watch this video wolves in sheep clothing period period and period again please just take a look at John chapter 1 verse 1 2 & 3 peace out my friends as for me and my house we will serve the Lord our God oh how I love my savior he died on the cross for me oh praise is worthy thank you Jesus for saving my soul.
The Word proclaimed in the Gospel of John was God because Jesus made the Father known by this Word. .... the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know HIM WHO IS TRUE and we are in HIM WHO IS TRUE in HIS son Jesus Christ. THIS is the true God and eternal life. 1 John 5:20 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten.... has declared HIM. 1:18 I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world.... they have kept Your Word. 17:6 I have made Your name known to them 17:26
@@TheTrinityDelusion I don't follow what you are trying to say. If we read on: He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. We see that Jesus created all things. Creation is an act of God. If you claim the Father made Jesus, God, then it contradicts Isaiah 43:10.
prov8..... wisdom was God, she was there making stuff too. Read it and see, so now we have a quartet and not a trio? or are they both a hebrew idiom they loved using. Personification. Making an action by God into a personality. Trees clap hands, rocks cry out and mountains bow down. scripture is full of it. God did use the power of the spoken word to create, so yes the word did it, and wisdom oversaw it, and in the course of time God "fleshed out the plan" and formed a son within Mary, the seed of the woman from Gen3:15, and filled him with His spirit so that man would be the promised one from Deut18:18. and so Gods word spoken through prophets, written by scribes, and believed on by man, has brought us to thos realization, that God spoke, and it was. No second person of God called Word, its God alone who did all this and produced a human son, and glorified him and raised him and made him Lord in His place, for a season, till all things are put in subjection. blessings, i hope you can see through the trinity fog which hangs around Johns prologue poetry.
@@milanterzic859 you see in Colossians that Jesus created all things seen and unseen. But Col is about the new creation in christ, the church. Not Genesis creation. Jesus is head of the new creation and as C in C he is the boss and sets up authorities and positions of power in the church. Read the intro page of Colossians in your study bible. There is context.
Wendy Jones 6 minutes ago Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56-59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring-that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself in Exodus 3:14.
But Rev 22 : 16 does not Jesus sent his angel to say what the I am is ? Does not the bible say God did it by himself, no one help him . Were is Jesus now ? and who was there before Jesus was given the place on the right side of God ?
In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God.... And the word became flesh. Interpret that for yourself, it clearly states that Jesus is God.
Nope no trinity there or anywhere in the bible. I find it interesting that people always want to make God something they can see. Sense we disobey by make images and statues of Yeshua and sense we do this then we have to make him Yahweh a d nowhere does he claim to be God.
joe dod “logos”, or the “word” is simply a metaphor for everything in the universe that is good and holy. “Logos” is NOT a proper noun, but has been translated that way by men with agendas.
The Holy Spirit will guide you into *ALL Truth* . Exegesis in this video is not followed. So The scriptures are not used to confirm scripture. This is why we are left with an opinion and a fleshly understanding. This video is propaganda. In 1 John the narrator here has overlooked an examination of a key word *everlasting* . The bewitched narrator does not want you to examine ALL The Truth because he has an opinion and an agenda to lessen Jesus authority. Jesus is *Everlasting* see Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 9:6. Jesus is THE Truth not a truth, not truthiness, not a lesser truth. Exegesis of *Light* also confirms Jesus is The *I AM* Today is the day to *know* Jesus is *The ALL and in ALL*
>>> A Few Overlooked Scriptures Revealing the Deity of Jesus Christ. False teachers and deceived people claim that "Jesus was not God." The Bible says otherwise in many clear and irrefutable scriptures, some of which often go overlooked. Here is a list of scriptures declaring Jesus Christ as GOD. >> 1. According to the Zechariah; Jesus was God even when on the cross... "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." - Zechariah 12:10 Note: God speaking declares that is ME on the cross; "and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced" Also, God says ME and then HIM, which is an indication of the Trinity. >> 2. ONLY God is to be worshiped; if you are worshiping any other being other than God you are committing idolatry and blaspheming God. God calls the Son "GOD" and commands the angels to worship Him... "Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." - Hebrews 1:4-8 >> 3. Mary called her Savior GOD; who was the Savior?...Jesus is our Savior, who Mary calls GOD. Mary declared Jesus who is the Savior to be God; she tied GOD (or divinity) and SAVIOR (Jesus) together as one and the same... "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." - Luke 1:47 ..."GOD MY SAVIOR." >> 4. Thomas, who at first doubted that Jesus was resurrected from the dead after being crucified, declares Jesus to be both his LORD and GOD... "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28 >> 5. It was GOD who purchased us with His own blood... "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood." - Acts 20:28 Who's blood purchased us? ...GOD'S Blood. Who shed His blood for us on the cross? ...Jesus, who was shedding GOD'S Blood because that was GOD our Savior, Jesus. >> 6. God is both our Savior and a just God... "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." - Isaiah 45:21-22 Note: "no God else beside me; a just God AND a Saviour" ...Isaiah writes that who God is, He is also our Savior; who is our Saviour?... Jesus, who is both Saviour and GOD; "a just God AND a Saviour." >> 7. The Apostle Peter calls Jesus both "our God and our Savior"...once again scripture combines Savior with GOD together; they are one and the same... "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:" - 2 Peter 1:1 >> 8. The Apostle Paul calls Jesus both "our GOD and our Savior"... "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." - Titus 2:13-14 Note: Some false teachers claim that Paul was speaking of two person; first GOD and then second of Jesus who "was only the Son of God, not God Himself." Close examination of Titus 2:13-14 reveals that GOD Paul was speaking of is GOD who is soon to return to earth in the glorious appearing; that is clearly a reference to Jesus Christ who is God who Paul calls "the great God." >> 9. The Apostle John calls Jesus GOD... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1 Later in John 1:14, John reveals that the Word who was GOD was made flesh... "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." At no time did John indicate that by becoming flesh that the Word who was God ceased to be God while in the flesh. >> 10. As discussed in point number two above concerning the worship of God; Jesus accepted worship and never commanded anyone to NOT worship Him. ONLY GOD is to be worshiped. If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity. This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship. As the second Person of the Trinity, He was worshiped in Scripture... "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh." - Matthew 2:11 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." - Matthew 14:33 "And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." - Matthew 28:8-9 Note; ONLY God is to be worshiped. >>> JESUS IS GOD.
The word,Bible, and Law are interchangeable.Bible is a greek word meaning Law.The word of God is gods law.The commandments are said to be Gods laws given to moses.The doctrine of Jesus are the words, commandments, and thus laws of God.Replace the word"word with Law" .Then go further into John and get the answere to if Jesus IS God.Jesus is Gods commandments in the flesh so that you can see the truth in the flesh and get the words from a trusted messenger(mesiah) JOHN 12:48-50. If you ignore Jesus' words on the matter you are complicating it by leaving it up to interpretation.If what Jesus states here cannot be taken literally then the whole of Jesus' words have no true meaning.
Where satan is at work you will almost always see the following three attacks on God and His word; satan attacks THE DEITY OF JESUS, THE WORD OF GOD, THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. In this video from "the trinity delusion" we see all three attacks. FACT... 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)... "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." ...GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH...GOD WHO WAS THE WORD... "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." ..."And the Word [WHO WAS GOD] was made flesh"...God was manifest in the flesh....JESUS IS GOD.
@@geriademi5822 yes the whole Bible is man made but inspired by God if you dont belieave that's on you but I think you should take a look on how evil this world is and then ask is God real
read above- i follow scripture no matter where it leads. GOD reveals himself within 3 persons, or personailties.this is clear in scripture, comprehenf it. NO. apprehend yes. who am i to say GOD cant be who he is or shows himself.
Bob Free you need to study ancient text and culture. English cannot express fully a language used thousands of years ago. If you don't understand linguistics and how it works, you won't understand the Bible fully. His LOGOS was with God and WAS GOD. His LOGOS became flesh. The English word for Logos is the closest thing we have to express it, but it more than just "word". This is why most people don't understand the Bible at all! You must study the ancient text!!
So was a second person of the Trinity rare in those days? Do you think maybe the "word of the Lord" was God communicating with someone? The Bible also refers to the word of Moses. Do you think that might be Moses speaking? If you read your NT carefully, you will discover that it actually tells you the word of the LORD was the Father speaking through the prophets. You can start at Heb 1:1. Then maybe you might think of reading Acts 3:13-25.
+Henry Santiago This ignores that Christ also could not live without food etc. I.e. was human. He veiled His divinity during His mission here to suffer and die for us. Philippians 2 is clear on that. The Son now knows the hour since He has no need of undertaking hunger, limited knowledge, thirst, etc. having becoma slave and undergoing His passion for us. (Notice that He puts Himself above even the angels by the way.)
Your going to use that misinterpreted twisted verse? You HS appear not to know scripture, God, exegesis, hermeneutics, or context. Jesus claims to be God in Matthew 4 especially. Acts 20:28 GOD ransomed us with His OWN BLOOD. God is one, and me in His image also have a brain words and might... Study with God not these false teachers cherry picking verses please.
Complete red herring and straw man: that Christ is *a true 100% and real man* (read: is a man!) is not denied by Christians: hence 'true God, and true man.' In fact, that St. Paul here qualifies Christ Jesus actually *militates against* your purely human Christ! You're aware St. Paul says Christ is of Israel "according to the flesh" (another qualification used elsewhere, and which says that "his origins are of old, even from the days of eternity;" "[From] the begninning," "before Abraham was," "for he was before [him]"). Yet: "and of whom [Israel] is Christ (according to the flesh): who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." A doxology calling someone God????? Hmm. Do you worship the merely human 'man Christ Jesus?' If so, you're a filthy idolator. But if like Thomas He is your "Lord" and "God" tabernacled among us, then you must worship Him. For He isn't only a man, then, but personally God: "the Word ... was God, ... and the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us:" "God with us." We as Christians _don't expect_ much later, POLEMICAL rhetoric and overly precise terminology ('true God and true man,' 'true God and true man,' 'the God-man,' 'Trinity') to be found on the lips of the Apostles. Why would we expect it to be? The Bible isn't a catechism. Your argument doesn't hold I'm afraid. God bless.
Context is everything. . . Genesis 1:1-5 (NKJV) [1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (CREATION) [2] The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (CREATION) [3] Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. (CREATION) [4] And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. ( CREATION) [5] God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. (CREATION) John 1:1-3 (NKJV) [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (Before creation) [2] He was in the beginning with God. (Before Creation) [3] All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (CREATION) [4] In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. (CREATION) [5] And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. So let’s have a look at some key words from both books. In the beginning - All things were made through him/created the heavens and the earth - Darkness - light - God
Jesus is not God but the Son of God lll give you some scriptures to read from the Holy Bible Colossians 1:15 Jesus is shown here to be the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation John 17:3 - this is an important scripture. As it means everlasting life, knowing the true God and the one whom he sent, Jesus “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I". John 14:28 Now what did the early Christians believe "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"; 1Timothy 2:5 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8v6 Notice there is ONE God and ONE Christ God cannot be seen "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him". John 1:18 The world saw Jesus in the flesh so he cannot be God as no1 has seen God God is everlasting to everlasting. If Jesus was created and always subjected himself to the father who sent him he cannot be God. As he said the father is greater than I. 1 Peter 1:3
Jesus was and will always be GOD... >>> A Few Overlooked Scriptures Revealing the Eternal Deity of Jesus Christ. False teachers and deceived people claim that "Jesus was not God." The Bible says otherwise in many clear and irrefutable scriptures, some of which often go overlooked. Here is a list of scriptures declaring Jesus Christ as GOD. >> 1. According to the Zechariah; Jesus was God even when on the cross... "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." - Zechariah 12:10 Note: God speaking declares that is ME on the cross; "and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced" Also, God says ME and then HIM, which is an indication of the Trinity. >> 2. ONLY God is to be worshiped; if you are worshiping any other being other than God you are committing idolatry and blaspheming God. God calls the Son "GOD" and commands the angels to worship Him... "Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." - Hebrews 1:4-8 >> 3. Mary called her Savior GOD; who was the Savior?...Jesus is our Savior, who Mary calls GOD. Mary declared Jesus who is the Savior to be God; she tied GOD (or divinity) and SAVIOR (Jesus) together as one and the same... "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." - Luke 1:47 ..."GOD MY SAVIOR." >> 4. Thomas, who at first doubted that Jesus was resurrected from the dead after being crucified, declares Jesus to be both his LORD and GOD... "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28 >> 5. It was GOD who purchased us with His own blood... "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood." - Acts 20:28 Who's blood purchased us? ...GOD'S Blood. Who shed His blood for us on the cross? ...Jesus, who was shedding GOD'S Blood because that was GOD our Savior, Jesus. >> 6. God is both our Savior and a just God... "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." - Isaiah 45:21-22 Note: "no God else beside me; a just God AND a Saviour" ...Isaiah writes that who God is, He is also our Savior; who is our Saviour?... Jesus, who is both Saviour and GOD; "a just God AND a Saviour." >> 7. The Apostle Peter calls Jesus both "our God and our Savior"...once again scripture combines Savior with GOD together; they are one and the same... "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:" - 2 Peter 1:1 >> 8. The Apostle Paul calls Jesus both "our GOD and our Savior"... "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." - Titus 2:13-14 Note: Some false teachers claim that Paul was speaking of two person; first GOD and then second of Jesus who "was only the Son of God, not God Himself." Close examination of Titus 2:13-14 reveals that GOD Paul was speaking of is GOD who is soon to return to earth in the glorious appearing; that is clearly a reference to Jesus Christ who is God who Paul calls "the great God." >> 9. The Apostle John calls Jesus GOD... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1 Later in John 1:14, John reveals that the Word who was GOD was made flesh... "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." At no time did John indicate that by becoming flesh that the Word who was God ceased to be God while in the flesh. >> 10. 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)... "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." Who was manifest in the flesh?... Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Who does 1 Timothy 3:16 say was manifest in the flesh?...GOD. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14 Who was received up into glory?...Jesus Christ. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1:9-11 Who was GOD that was "manifest in the flesh"...Jesus Christ; ergo Jesus Christ is GOD. >> 11. As discussed in point number two above concerning the worship of God; Jesus accepted worship and never commanded anyone to NOT worship Him. ONLY GOD is to be worshiped... If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity. This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship. As the second Person of the Trinity, He was worshiped in Scripture... "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh." - Matthew 2:11 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." - Matthew 14:33 "And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." - Matthew 28:8-9 Note; ONLY God is to be worshiped. 12. Steven called The Lord Jesus GOD... "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." - Acts 7:59 13. "Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." - Isaiah 45:15 Isaiah said Jesus is God; who is the Savior?...JESUS. Who does Isaiah say the Savior is?...THE GOD OF ISRAEL. >>> JESUS IS GOD.
@@johnspartan98 , You just proved Jesus was God again; you must enjoy making a fool of yourself in public... >> GOD CALLS JESUS GOD... "8 But unto the SON he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." GOD (The Godhead) clearly speaks of Jesus THE SON, and calls Him GOD. And, commands that THE SON, who is GOD is to be worshiped. ONLY GOD is to be worshiped... "6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him." LOOK CLOSELY: "let all the angels of God worship him." John, GIVE IT UP, give up your demonic FALSE DOCTRINE and know the truth...JESUS WAS AND WILL FOREVER BE GOD. Of that there is no doubt.
Sorry, you are wrong; Jesus was and will always be GOD... >>> A Few Overlooked Scriptures Revealing the Eternal Deity of Jesus Christ. False teachers and deceived people claim that "Jesus was not God." The Bible says otherwise in many clear and irrefutable scriptures, some of which often go overlooked. Here is a list of scriptures declaring Jesus Christ as GOD. >> 1. According to the Zechariah; Jesus was God even when on the cross... "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." - Zechariah 12:10 Note: God speaking declares that is ME on the cross; "and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced" Also, God says ME and then HIM, which is an indication of the Trinity. >> 2. ONLY God is to be worshiped; if you are worshiping any other being other than God you are committing idolatry and blaspheming God. God calls the Son "GOD" and commands the angels to worship Him... "Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." - Hebrews 1:4-8 >> 3. Mary called her Savior GOD; who was the Savior?...Jesus is our Savior, who Mary calls GOD. Mary declared Jesus who is the Savior to be God; she tied GOD (or divinity) and SAVIOR (Jesus) together as one and the same... "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." - Luke 1:47 ..."GOD MY SAVIOR." >> 4. Thomas, who at first doubted that Jesus was resurrected from the dead after being crucified, declares Jesus to be both his LORD and GOD... "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28 >> 5. It was GOD who purchased us with His own blood... "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood." - Acts 20:28 Who's blood purchased us? ...GOD'S Blood. Who shed His blood for us on the cross? ...Jesus, who was shedding GOD'S Blood because that was GOD our Savior, Jesus. >> 6. God is both our Savior and a just God... "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." - Isaiah 45:21-22 Note: "no God else beside me; a just God AND a Saviour" ...Isaiah writes that who God is, He is also our Savior; who is our Saviour?... Jesus, who is both Saviour and GOD; "a just God AND a Saviour." >> 7. The Apostle Peter calls Jesus both "our God and our Savior"...once again scripture combines Savior with GOD together; they are one and the same... "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:" - 2 Peter 1:1 >> 8. The Apostle Paul calls Jesus both "our GOD and our Savior"... "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." - Titus 2:13-14 Note: Some false teachers claim that Paul was speaking of two person; first GOD and then second of Jesus who "was only the Son of God, not God Himself." Close examination of Titus 2:13-14 reveals that GOD Paul was speaking of is GOD who is soon to return to earth in the glorious appearing; that is clearly a reference to Jesus Christ who is God who Paul calls "the great God." >> 9. The Apostle John calls Jesus GOD... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1 Later in John 1:14, John reveals that the Word who was GOD was made flesh... "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." At no time did John indicate that by becoming flesh that the Word who was God ceased to be God while in the flesh. >> 10. 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)... "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." Who was manifest in the flesh?... Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Who does 1 Timothy 3:16 say was manifest in the flesh?...GOD. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14 Who was received up into glory?...Jesus Christ. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1:9-11 Who was GOD that was "manifest in the flesh"...Jesus Christ; ergo Jesus Christ is GOD. >> 11. As discussed in point number two above concerning the worship of God; Jesus accepted worship and never commanded anyone to NOT worship Him. ONLY GOD is to be worshiped... If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity. This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship. As the second Person of the Trinity, He was worshiped in Scripture... "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh." - Matthew 2:11 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." - Matthew 14:33 "And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." - Matthew 28:8-9 Note; ONLY God is to be worshiped. 12. Steven called The Lord Jesus GOD... "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." - Acts 7:59 13. "Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." - Isaiah 45:15 Isaiah said Jesus is God; who is the Savior?...JESUS. Who does Isaiah say the Savior is?...THE GOD OF ISRAEL. >>> JESUS IS GOD.
@@johnspartan98 , Hebrews 1:4 and 8 do not in any way deny the deity of Jesus Christ. He was MADE LOWER than the angles FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEATH... Hebrews 2:9 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. THIS VERSE DOES NOT SAY HE WAS NOT GOD. AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, HE WAS EXULTED AS GOD, and the angels were commended to worship Him. What ignorant foolishness has you been deceived by?
@@johnspartan98 , are you serious, or just trying your best to look dumb? YOU ARE A SPIRIT, that does NOT mean you can't also have a physical body. GOD IS A SPIRIT; where does God's Word say that GOD CANNOT HAVE A PHYSICAL BODY because He is a spirit? Stop inserting your assumptions and ignorant nonsense into scripture that is NOT THERE. You are deceived by your own foolishness! THIS IS JESUS BEING DECLARED TO BE GOD... John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." LOOK CLOSELY; the WORD (JESUS) was with God...AND WAS AT THE SAME TIME, GOD...ergo; JESUS IS GOD. RE: "The church was purchased by the blood of God's own Son" LOL, LOL, yes, just go ahead and twist scripture anyway you can to remain deceived.
Nope. John purposefully began his gospel in the same way as Moses as a challenge to his brethren Jews for not seeing Christ who was the from the beginning, in the beginning, as the beginning (Rev. “I am the alpha … beginning”).
_'In the beginning, as the beginning'_ I don't know who would settle for such nonsense, though the circular reasoning in so painfully obvious... That said, and quite obviously the beginning is that of GOD's works - as though this isn't written over and over again...
Funny how you made no comments on verse 3 or 10 hmm... all you did was ask what beginning was being spoken of. Could it be that Jesus is in fact God as He Himself claimed? I have a question for you sir: if when you stand before Christ and you learn that He is indeed God and Lord, what will you say to Him? If Christ is indeed not God and I learn of this when I stand before Him, I will gladly walk away from Him and will willingly walk into the gates of Hell. And when I'm being tormented and asked where is my God now? The One that I stood for and defended? I will tell them that I do not know where He is because He didn't love me enough to erase my sin Himself but sent someone else to do it for Him. I am willing to bet my eternity on the basis that Jesus is indeed God in the flesh. Have a good day sir. I pray that the Holy Spirit will show you the error of your ways and will bring you to Christ before it's too late
Compare the words houtos and autos used in verse 2 and 3 with how they are used in John 6:60. Jesus never claimed to be God as you are claiming he did. Get your facts straight.
+The Trinity Delusion I don't get it. Yes, I do bother to check this kind of stuff because it is very important to me that we don't make bad assumptions about this key text, and I am seeing unjustified arguments on both side of this debate. So verse 2 and 3 - both houtos and autos are used to refer to THE LOGOS, so what exactly is your point?! Do you think that one is for persons and the other for non-persons?! Once again I don't think your John 6:60 of quite as much use as you imply. There might be a little irony in your conclusion to Perre ;)
+The Trinity Delusion Your reasoning is that because some masculine nouns do not have a corresponding gender in English, that therefore every masculine reference in Greek must be translated as neuter. I can't even count the number of times this kind of argument would make nonsense of the scripture, particularly when houtos and autos are used to refer to God and other masculine persons throughout the New Testament, and of note how John must therefore in John 1:6, 7 be referred to (according to your usage) as "it". That is, "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. *It (οὗτος, i.e., "John")* came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through *it (αὐτοῦ, i.e., "John")* might believe." The "Word" is specifically the name of Christ, as John bore witness to in Revelation (c. 64-86), which was written before his gospel (c. 96-100). That is, "his name is called the Word of God" (Revelation 19:13). This is equally demonstrated in John 1:12. If the "Word" is nothing more than some impersonal divine utterance, how is it that it is said of the word, "as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, *even to them that believe on his [i.e. the Word's] name:*". I trust you do not believe that the impersonal divine utterance has a "name" (τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ)? When and where did you study Greek? I've asked this before, and you never answer, which makes me think you are simply relying on others who are every bit as unskilled in the language as yourself. I would hate to think that you do have any sufficient knowledge of the language, because these and other statements you make indicate if such is the case you have a willful disregard for it or are flat out being deceitful.
It seems so obvious to me that for neither of you is the pronoun useful to develop your argument. In fact if either of you do, then you are misleading those who are not aware of Greek. Move on to more convincing points!
John B Friend, I don't really understand being included in your chastising rebuke. Please go back and read what I actually wrote. The only thing I "develop[ed]" in my argument by using the pronoun is a ridiculous translation of John 1:6, 7 to demonstrate the misleading nature of his reasoning. I'm especially perplexed with your statement seeing that you and I are both in complete agreement that the pronouns are irrelevant, I did no wrong in addressing it, either, seeing as how his misleading treatment of them is a prominent factor in his arguments concerning John 1:1-15.
Brother Kel, you're almost there. You're indeed right concerning the Beginning, with a small correction. It doesn't refer to the beginning of the Gospel, technically speaking, in terms of the historical events, according to the written Gospels. It refers to the Gospels themselves, or rather to the time from when Jesus entered his ministry, to when the Gospel first was preached after the day of Pentecost. Practically, the birth of the Church, with Jesus as the head of the Church and the beginning of his Body. The receivers of John's first letter were hardly present alongside the disciples at the beginning of "the beginning" i.e. Jesus' ministry. But they were present in the beginning described above. We must take into consideration that John wrote this, let's say 80 AD. That means that the beginning of the period from the beginning of the Gospel events into on year of the Acts is about a 2-4 year period (depending on School) of a period of 52-54 years, in total. That's John's perspective.
In Hebrew the first word in Genesis 1:1 is Bereshit. I can't type Hebrew on my laptop, but inside of Bereshit, if you single out the letters you can find the Hebrew words for son, God, thorns, head, and tree. The first syllable of the word, spelled with two letter; beit and resh, spell the word bar which is son in Hebrew. So, the first word God spoke out was son. Bereshit was the word iinside God and about God.
God, Jehovah, sent his only begotten, firstborn, created son who was perfect, and remained a sinless MAN right to his death. "The last Adam" 1 Corr 15: 21,45. 1Tim 2:5 Jesus is referred to as a man ONLY dozens of times , not a GODMAN. Jehovah needed a perfect man in exchange for perfect man Adam to satisfy His perfect Justice so we might have life. Isnt that simple and logical? William please read my comments under "Turbo Rat" above. Im sure you will appreciate them.
So then, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation, but it isn’t an obligation to ourselves to live our lives on the basis of selfishness. If you live on the basis of selfishness, you are going to die. But if you put to death the actions of the body with the Spirit, you will live. All who are led by God’s Spirit are God’s sons and daughters. You didn’t receive a spirit of slavery to lead you back again into fear, but you received a Spirit that shows you are adopted as his children. With this Spirit, we cry, “Abba, Father.” The same Spirit agrees with our spirit, that we are God’s children. But if we are children, we are also heirs. We are God’s heirs and fellow heirs with Christ, if we really suffer with him so that we can also be glorified with him. Friend our sin is defined as coming short of the glory of God which Jesus defines as loving our enemies and blessing those who persecute us & co. BECAUSE we are to be perfect just like our heavenly Father is... None of us manage this but Jesus did and so inherited his reward which is the gift of holy spirit to all and upon all that believe which is why Paul stresses it is our believing that produces the spirit led mind not our attempts to be spiritual, these just collapse inevitably into our works of (un)righteousness - but this isn't about paying for sins we who were Gentiles can't be found guilty of sin until we have the knowledge of the law which is why the religious path usually goes from happy ignorance to answering the call to realising you still like to grab your dick and have a drink to feeling guilty to plea bargaining to thinking it's about right belief and for the real nutters the right Name of God for ones' magical incantations t either complete cynicism and despair with a general throwing it all over to the realisation 'the gates of the city are open' and fine let him that is filthy be filthy still but also blessed is they who wash their robes in the blood of the lamb, the liberty is in grasping God's eternal goodness displayed in the life and resurrection Christ 'while we were yet in our sins Christ died for the ungodly' his anointed ambassador proclaiming good news to the captives. Believe and be saved or...But Samuel answered the people, “Don’t be afraid. Yes, you’ve done all this evil; just don’t turn back from following the LORD. Serve the LORD with all your heart. Don’t turn aside to follow useless idols that can’t help you or save you. They’re absolutely useless! For the sake of his reputation, the LORD won’t abandon his people, because the LORD has decided to make you his very own people. But me? I would never sin against the LORD by failing to pray for you. I will teach you what is good and right. Just fear the LORD and serve him faithfully with all your heart. Look at what great things he has done for you! But if you continue to do evil, then both you and your king will be destroyed.”
The Word of God, Yahushua (Jesus) came into the world; just like in the beginning God created the world through Him. The reason why the first beginning (Genesis) and the Beginning of the gospel (John1:1) are so similar is because it was, and is, Jesus who is the Word itself. "All things came into being through him, and without him came into being not one thing that is in being. "John 1:3 Codex Sinaiticus
Kel, I’m wondering are you still in 100% agreement with this video which was posted in 2013? I thought I had come across a more recent video you did. Thx
In the beginning. Not sure what beginning because God has no beginning. We have a testimony of Stephen and another who saw Jesus on the right hand of God. Jesus has a father he prayed to again and again and again.
Jesus is called the Word of God. Revelation 19:13 Everything was created THROUGH Him. Col 1:16 The Word in John 1:1 is referring to Jesus. John 1:3 speaks on His eternity. That He wasn’t made!!!!! If Jesus wasn’t made then that means He’s God!!!!! Because there can’t be two uncreated entities when God said “no one is beside me”. So figure it out buddy
The Trinity Delusion Nice try buddy! You must of took philosophy or sum. But as you know, your response has no meaning. Genesis part act of creation or not, Everything was created through Him. Let’s be grown about this and not go piece by piece. Just give me your full thought on the matter or don’t respond lol
It doesn't say anything about God sending another person who embodied before Jeremiah. You need to stop confusing what the text says with your imagination. Have you ever read how God put His words in His prophet's mouth and that prophet was Jesus? Yes, the word of the Lord came to Jesus too. Have you never read how God made this promise to Israel so that they would not have to hear God's voice? Do you realize what that means?
The beginning here mention in John 1:1 is not referring to genesis chapter 1 but to a time long before this earth was created. See Proverbs Chp 8:22-30 especially verses 22;23.[Micah Chp 5:2] and Job Chp15:7,8 and Proverbs chp 8:25 are connected.
+E Gabriel -if beginning in john 1:1 is not referring to creation in genesis 1-why does it speaks of everything created ? the only place we know where everything was created is in genesis. wise up.
E Gabriel, you are correct, Duke below quotes 10 scriptures and NOT ONE them of teach a trinity. Read my exegesis above under "tornado" replies re John 1:1c.
Listen bro scripture tries to warn people so they don't get deluded. The serpent in the wilderness was lifted up to deliver that generation from God's wrath; just as Jesus was to be lifted up to deliver his generation from God's wrath for upon them was to come judgement for the blood of all the righteous slain 'now the wrath of God is come upon them to the uttermost' but when Jesus returned in AD 70 and using the Roman armies slew his enemies who would not that he reign over them he brought to perfection the confirmed NEW Covenant which is the promise of God's grace to all people everywhere, but now Jesus has handed the kingdom over to the Father that God might be All in All and when people fail to grasp this they worship the Image past its purpose and it becomes sin for them.
This just drives home the point that for thousands of years God just doesn’t seem to think it important to clarify this very simple concept. If you are sincere and believe and live a good life serving and living for others in the end will we be judged because we were deceived by other sincere believers? Translators and teachers? What is the point!? I know wonderful beautiful people that would die for Jesus and say he is God. Do they not count? Are they not deceived by the evil one? Like all throughout history. What is the truth. And how would you know it. You have good points. A Trinitarian can debate right alongside you. Both convinced they are right. There is no right! It is heart condition. Just my humble opinion.
It is but "the Good News became flesh and dwelt among us?" I think not. The Word became flesh. Someone took on flesh just like the scripture says. Jesus is the only One Who directly and perfectly fits that description
Odd how you started out here referring to the meaning of Hebrew words and yet you have completely missed it. The Hebrew word for Good News, basar, is the verb form of the same Hebrew word for FLESH. Funny how you missed that. It does not say "someone" took on flesh. It says the Word became flesh. You are reading things into the text which are not there. Sorry, but your imagination doesn't count. The Word which came to the prophets of old was about Christ and now that Word which came to these prophets was being fulfilled, the Word became flesh.
+Demetrius3434 How so? How does Jesus being a human Lord make him the Creator of the universe. Are you saying the Creator cant give authority to a human being to reign as king, as He actually did in the Messiah? You are limiting the Creator's power. It your pride that is keeping you from accepting the fact that the Creator chose a man to reign over you. Who died on that cross? Was it the Creator or was it a man? Clearly is was man, since the Creator cannot die, nor is He a man, as He Himself declares in the OT. All you trinitarians, care more about the respect of your peers than of the truth of the Scriptures. You are so afraid of being rejected by man, that you turn around and try to make the Creator into a man, try to make a man into the Creator. Did you know that there is a passage in the OT that actually refutes the trinity concept? Obviously not. Usually I would give said passage, but under the circumstances of you trinitarians being prideful, refusing to be humble, I will let you search it out for yourself. If you are actually seeking the Father, you will go find this passage and many more refuting the trinity concept. The problem is that most of you refuse to look at context, you isolate verses to support your false views. Your false pastors are partially to blame in all of this, they have indoctrinated you into reading things into passages where the concepts dont exist. Did you not know that the majority of the passages you like to use to support the trinity are verses that your own top trinitarian scholars admit dont prove the trinity? Probably not. Pagan gods have been known to be trinitys, and the True God says that He does not exist like those false gods, in His very own Scriptures. The Creator already declared to us that faith in Him is being set apart from the others around. Not having the same trinity concepts as those false religions. Jesus is a man, albeit a man who didnt disobey his God, but a man nonetheless. As a man, Jesus was the ultimate hero of the faith for us, and you destroy the beauty of it all with your false trinity. But it comes down to pride again. Your pride keeps you from believing that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, a man who overcame sin. Deep down, you dont believe a man can actually abandon his own will, to do the will of God. So you create lies about the salvation plan. You will go around an state things such as, God put on flesh, when nothing in Scripture says that. Scripture says God was made known (manifested) in the flesh, this clearly means that Christ made God known to us, Christ preached about his Father who is our Father, his God who is our God. By definition Christ was actually a Christian, not to mention the Christ was also a monotheist.
Can I please ask you what those verses say? And what doctrine am I reading into the text exactly? You have been duped by or trying to duped other through the fallacy of equivocation.
It say all came to be through the word. In v.4 it says life was in the word and the life was the light of men. That is obvious a reference to the life preached in the Gospel. There were no men at the beginning of Genesis. Verse 5 is an obvious reference to the rejection of the light which Jesus proclaimed in his ministry.
Hay, brother Kel, how can this be possible that John 1: is about the beginning of Jesus, simply because the word was GOD, and we agree Jesus was not GOD, so John 1:1 has to be about Yahweh GOD's word and plan as in Genesis. Please tell me what am I not understanding.
Brother Kel, would you kindly comment on John 1:3? As much as I hear, appreciate, and lean towards your view on this subject, verse 3 DOES seem to tie it all back to the Gen 1 creation...
Is it because you are reading a translation which makes you imagine things were being "made"? John 1:3 is referring to everything that occurred in the ministry of Jesus. Everything occurred through the word of God which Jesus proclaimed during his ministry. The Greek text does not say "made." The verb is "to be" not "to make." This verb literally means "come to be" (not "come into being") and is routinely translated as "come to pass" or "occurred" or "happened," and the like. You can check that out easily at Biblehub by clicking on "Greek" for John 1:3 and then clicking on "egeneto." The light that shines in the darkness at verse 5 is also alluding to the same idea. The words he spoke where not from himself but the word of his God, light shining in the darkness. Jesus explains this at John 12:46-50.
@@80sizzle "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." John 5:23 demanding the same honor given to God would be blasphemy if the Person speaking these words was not God Himself. specially when YHWH does not share His glory, "I am the LORD, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images." Isa. 42:8 believing Jesus is God is a salvation issue, "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." John 8:24 NOTE the word HE is not in the Greek. karl is a heretic who has been refuted many times. he is traveling the wide road that leads to perdition.
@enriquemoure7212 As far as wide road, the Trinitarians are in it. A few Christians believe that Jesus is not God almighty. And I am one of them. I love my brothers and sisters more than my physical family if they love Hod and Jesus. However to know who's are truly my brothers and sisters that is great task for me to find out yet. Because the Scripture tell me on this wise.: 1 John 5:1
Man, why am I so ignorant. Seeing the parallels between Mark, Luke and John it makes sense. Also here's another passage to consider from Peter. 22 Seeing you have purified your beings in obeying the truth by means of the spirit unto unfeigned love of the brothers, love one another with a pure heart fervently. 23 Being born again, not by corruptible seed, but by incorruptible, by means of the word of God, which live and abide forever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower thereof fall away, 25 Yet the declaration of the Lord remains forever. And this is the declaration which by the good news is announced unto you.
We can't appropriately read a Greek text with an English speaking mindset. Simply because we might otherwise stick an article there doesn't mean they would.
The beginning of the Good News of Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God - the proclamation of the word which manifested God our Father, the word which God gave to Jesus at the Jordan.
The Trinity Delusion
The ( ALEPH TAU )YHWH ELOHIM is YESHUA HA ( ALEPH TAU) MASHIACH .
No, sorry but God is not His Messiah and the Messiah is not his God.
Jesus embodied God's word by doing it.
I don't bother to keep track.
K
The Logos of John 1:1 is the expression of the Father. The Logos was inherent within the Father (1:1b). But God expressions what He is and who He is. That is why it says the Logos was God, that is, the Logos was the essence of the Father Himself, who He is and what He is. Jesus fully expressed the Father in all that he did, the Father abiding in him.
Another way to put it.
So the essence WAS WITH God and was God?
So how can an essence be with God instead of "is God" or "in God"?
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If someone’s words are with them, they are a man/woman of their word (in other words, their word always comes to pass - which is certainly true for God). Also words are a means of how you can know people, as words proceed from our personality (we are our works/our words and actions).
The difference is, word is the nature of God, and not the nature of men. God is a spirit, John 4:24. Men are flesh. Don’t forget what Jesus said about what his words were:
”It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.“
John 6:63 NKJV
Doing is much more important than studying. It is really the only important thing. Luke 14:27.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God. (Subject is the Word:Jesus)
3 All things were made by him (Subject is the Word:Jesus); and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him(Jesus) was life; and the life(Jesus) was the light(Jesus) of men.
5 And the light(Jesus) shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light(Jesus), that all men through him might believe.
8 He(John) was not that Light(Jesus), but was sent to bear witness(John) of that Light(Jesus).
9 That was the true Light(Jesus), which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He(Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by him(Jesus), and the world knew him not.
11 He(Jesus) came unto his own(mankind), and his own(mankind) received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he(Jesus) power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name(Jesus):
13 Which(Jesus) were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Nobody else were born of God except (Jesus)
14 And the Word(Jesus) was made flesh(Jesus), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(The main subject in this chapter is THE WORD, THE LIGHT, THE LIFE, THE NAME THAT SHOULD BE BELIEVED, THE ONE THAT WAS BORN OF GOD and He is JESUS)
The traditional translation of John 1:1c:Although the consensus is " the Word was God", it is by no means unanimous among scholars. Google "John 1:1- Wikipedia" and you will see about 25 versions, if you scroll down to the sites bottom, that render it as "the Word was Divine" "Godlike"," was a god" and similar. AlsoThe Good news Bible says "he was the same as God" and Moffats,"the word was divine", the new English Bible " and what God was, the Word was" the revised English Bible "and a divine kind (or a god was the Word)" . New world Translation" the word was a god", Goodspeeds, "and the word was divine" and there are many more I could quote. There would be at least 100 that dont line up with the traditional. So why is this and how should it be correctly translated? (1) it must be in harmony with the rest of the scriptures for there cannot be any contradiction. (2) we must be open minded if we want the truth. (3) It comes down to Greek Grammar along with context. (4)(a) Kel is right when he asks what beginning? for God had no beginning .Stongs interlinear at Rev 3:14 says Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God, as does the ASV and NASV. (b) If Jesus as the Word was" with God " would he not be outside the province of God? (c)In the entire bible there is ALWAYS a definite article "the" preceding theos or theon when referring to God. The words in Greek re" with God" literally read" ho Logos pros ton theon" or the word was with THE God. Note that Logos has the definite article "ho" but theos has NONE. ZIP. Scholars argue it doesnt matter and others say it does . I am not going to buy into that now. But it seems to me there is good reason to question the traditional. (d) if you go to Strongs interlinear and look at Acts 12:22 and Acts 28:6 you will see the same thing, theos without any article and because the context demands it both are rendered "a god" (e) One Scholar, I couldnt get his name for now but I quote him thus: "Translators must pay attention to the source texts and stop parroting each others work,. they must make a distinction between theos and ho theos. Sloppy translators make a confusing soup out of the N.T" I actually think it is as much the churches putting pressure on their scholars to tow the traditional line. (f) In Johns prologue v18 says "No one has seen God at any time" yet a couple of million saw Jesus??? it goes on to say he was Gods" only begotten son"(MONO GENES IOUS), repeated also again at John 3:16 and again at 1John 4:9. See Col1:15, John5:26 John 6:57 and Prov 8:30. So in summary I assert the traditional is wrong because the context, the Grammar, and the rest of the scriptures say so. Without any article; translators are at liberty to insert the indefinite article if they think the context warrants it, and, make it adjectival or descriptive, whether it be theos or any other anarthrous noun. Ciao, its now my bed time. remember no bias if you want the truth!
Amen
turbo rat ....retranslated YOUR version to conform with what the Greek text is really saying and in harmony with Ps 33:6, 9, and 11 which parallels John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same (the Word/spirit ) was in the beginning with God. (Subject is the Word: Spirit/ power and authority of God)
3 All things were made by IT (Subject is the Word: Spirit/ power and authority of God); and without IT was not any thing made that was made.
4 In IT (The spirit of God) was life; and the life (the spirit ) was the light (spirit) of men.
5 And the light (spirit of God) shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (YOU TRANSLATED CORRECTLY AS an (IT)
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light (The spirit of God, coming down upon Jesus anointing him as the Messiah), that all men through him might believe.
8 He (John) was not that Light (the spirit of God or the Messiah or chosen one), but was sent to bear witness of that Light (the spirit of God coming down upon him upon Jesus).
9 That was the true Light (Spirit of God), which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He (God by the spirit in Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by him (God who's spirit was in Jesus), and the world knew him not.
11 He (God by the spirit dwelling in Jesus who represesnts God ) came unto his own (mankind), and his own (mankind) received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he (Jesus, by the power invested in him by God) power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (Jesus the one chosen as the Messiah who would give life to those believing he was the lamb of God):
13 Which (by the spirit) were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Jesus was the natural born heir of the spirit at his baptism and his disciples became adopted heirs and sons by the spirit of God as they became believers and were baptised into his name)
14 And the Word (the spirit of God) was made flesh (one with Jesus at his baptism), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(The main subject in this chapter is The coming of the Messiah....The identity of the one who would be chosen to have God's spirit / word bestowed upon him according to Deut 18:15-18, Isa 11:2 Isa 61:1-4, Isa 42 :1..... THE WORD, THE LIGHT, THE LIFE, THE NAME THAT SHOULD BE BELIEVED, THE ONE THAT WAS BORN OF GOD and He is JESUS)
John bore witness at his baptism that Jesus was the one chosen to be the Messiah. The one chosen to have the power and authority of God's word, when he witnessed the visible manifestation of the spirit coming down upon Jesus and audible manifestation that Jesus was chosen as the son of God = The Messiah. Jn 1:31--34, Jn 20:31
Not by him its through him check with the dead Sea scrolls
@@henrylafromboise4581 I don't know if your were talking to me but what scripture are you referring to and what link are you using to view the dead sea scrolls? So I can check. Thanks
Jesus is the true eternal God. The bible shows this in many places. Praise the triune God.
The only true eternal God is the God of Jesus.
@@TheTrinityDelusion good thing this isn't a Salvation issue.
Good thing trinity is a fake god or else we would all have 3 heads and I cant keep my own head up
@@AstariahJW Trinity isn't a god; God IS.
@@forthewin369 God isn't a trinity. Its pagan. Christianity adopted pagan teachings
John 17:5 are Jesus' own words regarding Him wanting back the glory that He had before the world began, when He was with His Father.
See above. then Look at my exegesis re John 1:1c above under "Turbo Rat" replies.
there are 2 beginnings, Johns was the beginning in Genesis, because the first words that God says in Genesis is "let there be light" Jesus is that light that came into the world and that light was manifested in flesh and dwelt among us.
the INSPIRED writers of the NT applied to Jesus YHWH passages:
# 1- OT Isaiah 40:3-5 applied to Jesus in the NT here Matt. 3:3-6; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76; 3:2-6; John 1:22, 23.
# 2- OT Isaiah 6:1-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 12:36-42
# 3- OT Isaiah 45:22-25 applied to Jesus in the NT here Ph. 2:10
# 4- OT Zechariah 12:8-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 19:34-37
# 5- OT Psalm 24:7-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Cor. 2:7, 8
# 6- OT Joel 2:32 applied to Jesus in the NT here Rom. 10:13
# 7- OT Psalm 34:8 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Pet. 2:3, 4
# 8- OT Malachi 4:5, 6 applied to Jesus in the NT here Luke 1:16, 17
# 9- OT Isaiah 44:6; 48:12 applied by Jesus to Himself and recorded by John in the NT here Rev. 1:7, 8, 17, 18; 2:8; 22:12-16
the inspired writer of Hebrews quoted Psalm 102:25-27 WORD FOR WORD from the Septuagint (LXX) and applied to the Son:
"And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment; 12 Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.” Heb. 1:10-12
Thanks for not disabling ur comments, so many do.
1 Kings 19:9 “And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?”
The word of the Lord is a title for the Lord btw
You'll see "ego eimi" as John 8:58 says in many other places, this particular context is no more special. I used to think it meant Jesus was just pre-existent in some form(albeit no claim to Godhood) but now I wonder if it's just him expressing to them to believe on Him for WHO He is... their Messiah, their Christ. That is the immediate and entire context of all John, that the readers would know Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. If John wanted to say God, he could have easily, but didn't.
Nope. In that verse it was the father speaking, not the son (the spirit was speaking through the flesh, not the flesh/the body on its own authority - John 5:30).
The context is, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” John 8:56. If you read Genesis 18, you’ll read on how the Lord appeared to Abraham, and Abraham rejoiced (because he saw God in person and he was promised a son by him, I’d do the same 😭).
So when Jesus said, “I AM,” it was indeed a claim to pre-existence and Godhood, but he wasn’t talking about his flesh.
@@jeddy2925 Okay, but did the "I AM" die on the cross? Or was it just acting?
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Matthew 28:19
Mhm. Do you know what that name is? Because father, son and Holy Ghost are not names.
”Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,“
Matthew 28:19 NKJV
”Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.“
Acts 2:38 NKJV
“…be baptised in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit.” Matthew 28:19
“…be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.” Acts 2:38
They’re not separate persons. The carnal mind misinterpreted separate natures for separate persons. Such is to be expected because we are all fools, and only God is true.
May God bless u 🙏🏾
Police also say to criminals "stop! In the name of Law!" Does the law means its a person? No, it is a power that works that use by someone who has authority
U know what’s so “clear” is just how unclear the Bible is😂😂 so many people arguing how clear it is wen at the same time nobody agrees on what it’s saying 😂😂
Oh man of wisdom...Your observation was given by the spirit. The Bible is not the word of God, never was, never will be. There is no truth in the Bible. Those who war over it are all carnally minded. The real truth is to listen to the spirit of truth, the logos, the real word of God.
We speak human languages. Don't be naive.
It's clear and Yah wants us to know. Separate the theorems of man and we understand it. Example below
@@Lovingkindness. ...
That is why it also say it have to be read with observation, because reading this is like a treasure hunting, there are gems and pearls, and the jackpot is life, the key to understand this is humbleness and willingness.
You are in good company. They didn't like what Jesus said either and very few were willing to depart from their traditions.
The logos concept was there at least from the time of Plato. Philo of Alexandria, living at the same time as Jesus, wrote much on it. His ideas were much the same as expressed later by John. It's impossible that John was not influenced by the ideas of Philo and others as far as the logos concept is concerned.
Pretty much. Brother Kel is reading the Scripture in a historical vacuum
I had placed a reply above for which the Preacher replied, "You are mistaken"! Can you explain why and how I am mistaken.
My answer was about "In beginning" or "en arche"- in Greek in Jn. 1:1.
This 'in beginning' refers to eternity past or indefinite time.
There is nothing like beginning God don't have beginning and end.
I love your teaching....I think you thoroughly prove your point and make it simple for us to understand. I have one proplem....it seems to me that you go after the "trinity" believers pretty hard. Jesus tells us he is not of this world, he is the Light of the World, before Abraham I am and when you see me, you see the Father. John 3:16 is one of the most important parts of the bible....top 3 if not top #1. Jesus tells us to Love God with all our hearts and only God the Father. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name, "he" shall teach you all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Don't reject Jesus as the Messiah and the Light of the World or the Counselor "Holy Spirit of God" has sent to us. This is why we have to believe, (1) God and one God only, the one God that Jesus prayed to over and over....the Father. Amen.
I am not sure what you are trying to say here but in the book of John in chapter 17 when he is praying to the Father, before he says that he is not of this world, he states "they are not of this world, even as I am not of the world" What he is referring to is the fact that like Jesus, his disciples were called to not be a part of world systems, but to do the will of the father. This is why Jesus said in John 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love his own: but because you are not of the world but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." Jesus was basically telling the father, these guys are with us. Secondly we are to rightly divide the truth according to 2Tim 2:15.. The scriptures have to harmonize.. When Jesus says when you see me, you see the father, its not because he is the father, he is saying that the father is the one who is making all this happen. This is why Jesus says in John 5:30 "I can of myself do nothing. As I hear (from the father) I judge; and my judgement is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me" Not only that but no man has seen the father at anytime according to John 4:12 and Jesus was clearly seen. God is not a man Numbers 23:19 The Gospel is about a Kingdom, when you know what a Kingdom is you know that it is passed down from a Father to a son. Jesus was sent to this world to atone for mans sin through his blood and he was made Lord and king of the kingdom because of his sacrifice for all of mankind. He deserves honor and praise. The trinity is man made and has nothing to do with the God of the bible. There is God the father, and he had a wonderful Son named Jesus that through his name we might be saved.
@ginomehl758
Do you think that God humbled Himself and became the human Son Jesus Christ?
Or do you think that Jesus Christ is God's Son, and not God Himself?
I have been struggling with this question for a while.
I have found many strong arguments for both sides but I like to ask was other people believe...
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." - John 2:19. Jesus said HE would raise HIMSELF up.
So then if he raised himself up, the Triune God didn't, right?
@@TheTrinityDelusionGood point
John clearly refers here to Jesus. Furthermore, in his epistle he confirms it:
“The one who existed from the beginning is the one we have heard and seen. We saw him with our own eyes and touched him with our own hands. He is Jesus Christ, the Word of life” (1 John 1:1).
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life (NASB)
As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 2:24.
Yes Bob you are right, BUT, God doesnt have a beginning, Jesus did. (read Rev 3:14) Strongs, ASV, NASV, KJV, and dont pay heed to some modern translations who squirm away from the word and lyingly render it as "beginner", "primary source" or even "ruler"as per the New International Version.
again read my exegesis for John 1:1c in "Turbo Rat" replies
Ralph Goreham Wrong show me in scripture Where he had any beginning - read the scriptures oh Bethlehem though thou be the smallest of any town in Judea -out of you shall He come forth whose Goings forth have been from old from everlasting! Titus says we wait for the Glorius coming of the Great God our Savior Jesus Christ - want more
Ralph Goreham John the Baptist said Jesus is greater then me because He came before Me - now Ralph how can that be when John was born before Jesus ? Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God Paul states and he got direct revelation from Jesus - Jesus said I Am the Alpha and Omega - Ralph in all due respect your do wrong
Something I thought about
John 1:1 **"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."**
This is the explanation that words are a form of linguistics that allows you to express order, knowledge, awareness, etc through language, order by it's own means is better than not being able to communicate, so order is good and that is God when taken to the absolutes. However the bible is constructed by humans in order to explain reality from a perspective not based on the scientific method, reason why is because they obviously had no means of defining reality through a method they cannot conceive of. The stories are all true in the idea that they have psychological significance that could leave you in awe of it's wisdom for your entire lifetime. That in itself is my baseline for why I would say I have no idea if a God exists but God from a psychological perspective DEFINITELY exists and that is indisputable. This is wisdom passed down for thousands of years and goes beyond the bible itself. The bible is really just a collection of an acute understanding of our consciousness and conceptions of reality, the stories are tools which teach people how to move through life with MEANING. Meaning is what religious axiomatic systems are predicated on which is why the suffering, the smart, the unintelligent, the resentful, etc can all look towards these systems for meaning.
The inability to separate God and the Word is because without the Word, you cannot begin to conceive of God. Prior to being able to use linguistics (the Word) we already had acted out the same rules that work because if they didn't work we wouldn't act them out, story and drama came before rules and the conception of the hierarchy. God the Father, or the value to be achieved at the top of the hierarchy is pursued by the archetypal hero (The Son) however we cannot understand what the value is and where the end of the value lies if we cannot define the hierarchy itself (The Holy Ghost) and by recognizing the hierarchy you are about to transcend the hierarchy as such sight and awareness is attached to light and order.
@Brother Kel • Context is king.
JOHN 1:1
"WORD" 0:50 "John had in mind the same spoken word" as Genesis 1.
"BEGINNING" 3:50 "What beginning did John have in mind?" Still Genesis would make sense, but no. He was now thinking about 1John 1:1-2 !?
What about the verse that you conveniently skimmed over?
JOHN 1:3 Talking about CREATION, in fact without him (the Word) there was nothing made that was made.
This video started off well but...
Jesus himself claimed to be the almighty
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Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says,
Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead.1
Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and also a disciple of John the Apostle. He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes,
Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ our God; even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy.2
Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life through the blood of God you completed perfectly the task so natural to you.3
There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, God in man, true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord.4
For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.5
Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.6
For our God Jesus Christ is more visible now that he is in the Father.7
I glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise, for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ.8
Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered, who for our sake endured in every way.9
Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century.
And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.10
Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts.11
Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ.12
The Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God. And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin....13
For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.14
Melito of Sardis (died c. AD 180) was the bishop of the church in Sardis.
He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body-God put to death! ... [I]n order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened-because they slew God, who hung naked on the tree.... This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.15
Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp, who in turn had been a disciple of John the Apostle.
For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man.... He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men;-all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him.16
He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that He was very God, from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.17
Christ Jesus [is] our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father.18
Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.19
Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and His essence, that He is God (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). And He shows that He is a man.... [W]e should not understand that He is a mere man only, nor, on the other hand, from the name Emmanuel, should suspect Him to be God without flesh.20
Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another early church father. He wrote around AD 200. He writes,
This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, He alone being both, both God and man-the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal.... The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher that as God He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends.21
For it was not without divine care that so great a work was accomplished in so brief a space by the Lord, who, though despised as to appearance, was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Savior, the clement, the Divine Word, He that is truly most manifest Deity, He that is made equal to the Lord of the universe; because He was His Son, and the Word was in God....22
@@TheTrinityDelusion The Attributes of Jesus.
Creator.
Scripture unambiguously teaches that “God” created all things. In fact, in Isaiah 44:24, the Bible says the LORD (Yahweh) alone created the heavens and earth. In Colossians 1:16 Scripture teaches Jesus created all things. This is an unmistakable declaration of the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth.
1. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
2. Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,” (Isaiah 44:24)
3. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. (Colossians 1:16)
Worship
Jesus received worship from both angels and mankind. (Matthew 28:9, 17, Philippians 2:10, Hebrews 1:6, Revelation 5) Worship is reserved exclusively for God (not to either mankind or angels). (Exodus 20:5, Acts 14:15, 20:26, Revelation 19:10)
Authority to Forgive Sins
Scripture teaches that God alone has the authority to forgive sin. (Isaiah 43:25, Psalm 32:5, Psalm 130) This same attribute is a part of Jesus’ ministry.
“And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “My son, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:5-7)
Omnipresence “For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” (Matthew 18:20) One of the attributes of God is omnipresence: that is being at all places at all times. In the above verse Jesus told his disciples that he wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in his name he would be present. This is impossible for an angel or man to accomplish.
Inherent Authority-to declare the Words of God In the Old Testament the prophets always prefaced their prophetic statements with, “thus saith the LORD.” They did this to demonstrate the source and hence authority of the words. When Jesus utters the words of God he makes no such preface, but rather says, “I say”. (not as the prophets, “thus saith the LORD.” (Matt. 5:22, 28, 32, 34, 39, 44)
The Titles of the Father and the Son.
Another convincing piece of evidence for the deity of Christ are the “titles” that are bestowed on both the Father and the Son. Here are a few examples.
First and the Last
Father: Thus says the LORD (Yahweh), the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.” (Isaiah 44:6) Clearly, the title, “I am the first and the last” in this verse is in reference to the LORD (Yahweh). See also Isaiah 41:4, 44:12.
Son: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. (Revelation 1:17-18)
Son: And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. (Revelation 2:8) These last 2 references are clearly referring to Jesus. Therefore the same title “I am the first and the last” is bestowed on both the Father and the Son.
Alpha & Omega
Closely related to First and Last is the title Alpha and Omega. Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet and Omega the last, hence the relationship to First and Last. There are 3 references to the title Alpha and Omega in the book of Revelation:
Father: I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (Revelation 1:8)
Father: And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. (Revelation 21:8)
Son: “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22:16)
The first 2 references are clearly referring to “God.” The 3rd reference is definitely referring to the Son, since he is the one “coming soon.” (see 1:7, 22:16, 20) Therefore the title Alpha and Omega is applied to both the Father and the Son interchangeably.
King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Father: “which he will display at the proper time-he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen” (1 Timothy 6:15-16, see also Deuteronomy 10:17, Psalm 136:3) All references to the Father.
Son: They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful. (Revelation 17:14)
Son: “On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.” (Revelation 19:16) A clear reference to Jesus. Another title that is used for both God the Father and God the Son.
@@TheTrinityDelusion From the Greek Almighty means,
3841. pantokrator, pan-tok-rat'-ore; from G3956 and G2904; the all-ruling, i.e. God (as absolute and universal sovereign): -- Almighty, Omnipotent. Strong's Dictionary
We then can say yes, this definition describes Christ as all-ruling, Almighty and Omnipotent.
Does the Bible tell us that Christ to be called the Mighty God? Yes.
(Isaiah 9:6 NIV) "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah tells us that Jesus is to be called the Mighty God. God in Hebrew means, 410. 'el, ale; short. from H352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty deity, power, strong. Comp. names in "-el." Strong's Dictionary
This definition describes Jesus. We find the definition Almighty, meaning Omnipotent, and God, as meaning Almighty deity. On this evidence alone Jesus can be called Almighty God.
Does Jesus call himself the Lord God Almighty? Yes
Revelation 1:7 (NIV) "Look, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen."
(Revelation 1:8 NIV) ""I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
Who is coming in the clouds? Verse 7, the one who was pierced. Jesus.
What is His name? Verse 8, the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, the Almighty.
(Revelation 22:12 NIV) "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done."
(Revelation 22:13 NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Who gives rewards at His soon coming? Verses 12, 13, the Alpha and the Omega.
(Matthew 16:27 NIV) "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will reward each person according to what he has done."
Who is the Son of man that is coming in His Father's glory? Verse 27, it is The Son of Man, (Jesus). Compare with the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God Almighty that is coming and was pierced, in Revelation 1: 7,8.
(Revelation 22:20 NIV) "He who testifies to these things says, 'Yes, I am coming soon.' Amen. Come, Lord Jesus."
Who is coming soon? the Lord Jesus. Compare Revelation 22: 12,13 as the Alpha and Omega.
Does It Make a Difference?
Because of the authority given Ellen G. White by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, many that read her statement that "the man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" will regard it as truth. What does this false statement do to the deity of Christ? It says that the Father and Son are not really equal in their deity and that the Father is the Lord God Almighty and Christ is somewhat of a lesser God.
This is very similar to the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses who believe that Jesus Christ is not God equal to the Father, and regard Him as just "a god " (with a small g). This is found in their New World Translation of John 1:1.The Wittiness also believe that Jesus is a mighty god and Jehovah is the Lord God Almighty. This gives Ellen G. White, the SDA Church and the Jehovah's Witness two Gods, one that is Almighty and one that is not as Almighty.
The Truth
Jesus Christ is called the Lord God Almighty, and the Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:8, the same as the Father is called the Lord God Almighty and the Alpha and Omega. (Revelation 21:5-6)
Almighty applies to Christ, from the Greek word "pantokrator," which means all-ruling, Almighty, Omnipotent.
The Savior is equal to the Father, (Colossians 2:9 NIV) "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,"
God bless you as you lift up Jesus to His full deity as the Lord God Almighty.
In Revelation chapter 22 verse 13 and in Revelation chapter 1 verse seven and eight the one that is coming again is the Lord Jesus Christ he is called the one who is it who was in who is to come the Almighty, Jesus himself said I am the alpha and the omega the first and the last the beginning and the end. Right there Jesus claimed the attributes of God and took the attributes of God upon himself. Jesus is worshiped as God is worshiped there’s only one savior according to the Bible Jesus is that Savior so therefore going back to the original statement he is God. So yes Jesus Christ claimed to be God Almighty he didn’t say hey I’m going to worship me in half to he made it clear by his actions and his will and by his words. Even the Pharisees knew that only God can forgive all sin Jesus said I can’t forgive All sin, Jesus called God his own father he made himself equal with God the father in John chapter 5 or 18, Thomas one of the apostles of Christ said that Jesus was his Lord and his God calling him God to his face Jesus never rejected him except praised him on his belief. So there’s only one God but he exists eternally as three persons father son and Holy Spirit they’re all three distinct Jesus Christ is not a father he was sent by the father to do the fathers will but he is equal to the father in essence nature in unity along with the Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit God to yeah scored a second Corinthians chapter 3 verse 12 and 18 where God is called the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit can speak be Blast themed against, be lied to he has a will etc he has all the attributes of personhood. The Holy Spirit and dwell‘s within the Christian who believes and pacific in Christ Jesus, also if you confess with your mouth at Jesus Christ‘s Lord then you are saved in Romans chapter 9 verse five Jesus Christ is called God overall so Jesus is it gonna according to scripture he is cording to the angels they worship him there’s only one being that you should worship and that is God it would be blasphemy the angels to worship another created being that would be inappropriate if Jesus is not God however he is worshiped by all the angels in heaven therefore that makes in God. So you’re beat there’s to Trinity that is biblical so yes Jesus Christ claimed and is God and I gave you a proof of it.
@@jeremiahrowesr.3130 Jehovah God created all things but used his firstborn son as a masterworker.
Everything was created through the son
Jesus couldn't do anything without Gods power
Proverbs 8 says jesus was beside God as a masterworker
As Paul wrote Jesus is before all things and all things came through Him. As Paul wrote about the Father all things came FROM Him.
In Greek, we see “logos”. “Logos” is rarely, if ever capitalized anywhere else in the New Testament.
So, those truly seeking to know God should ask themselves, “WHY is the common Greek ‘logos’ translated into a proper noun in John 1 when nowhere else do we see that?” And also, “WHO decided that ‘logos’ should be treated as a proper noun here, but nowhere else?”
The answer is simple. The false doctrine that Jesus is God has been pushed for centuries. Jesus is the Messiah, Yahawah’s only begotten Son, and the only way into The Almighty’s Kingdom.
That's about the size of it.
The Trinity Delusion I’m curious as to why the “Jesus is God” crowd hold so tightly to this belief when the NT repeatedly and emphatically denies this from beginning to end. What do you think is the motivation behind people wanting so badly to believe this?
One reason is that they have been brainwashed to believe it. They are taught it is necessary to be a Christian. Because of this, those who seek peer approval rather than God's approval won't detract because they are afraid of disapproval of their peers (this includes scholars and theologians). Others cling to it because they wrongly think their saving faith is acknowledging the right doctrines so they are too afraid to doubt this doctrine for fear of damnation. A third set is the modern scribes. They are afflicted by the first two reasons but they also hold on to the doctrine due to pride. Too humiliating for an academic to be mocked by his peers and possibly by non-Trinitarians if he admits this doctrine is wrong. And they have their careers built on teaching and justifying the Trinity or other doctrines built on the Trinity. If the Trinity goes, so does the career. Money. But it goes deeper than that. Have you ever noticed that when they explain Jesus' death that they start by telling you he has two natures, one divine, one human, and he only died in his human nature and remained alive in his divine nature. Then they proceed to tell you what death means for EVERY man and how only your body dies but not your spirit. They really think they have two natures like Jesus which they rather call "parts." They think they are immortally divine like God the son (spirit) and like Jesus, only their human nature (flesh/body) will be dead. Their false Jesus is just like their own false concept of themselves and that's why they cling to it. It's the original lie and very much like the Cerinthian lie in John's first letter (antichrists). They are in the snares of evil and darkness but do not know it since they have never seen the Light of God, blind men who think they see because they do not know what it is like to see. If you want to really understand why, fully understand why the Pharisees killed Jesus. There was nothing Jesus could do or say that would make them believe. That's because they really didn't care about the truth; they only cared about their personal desires. And that is the biggest problem of all with people. Today it is called Confirmation Bias; in Jesus' day it was simply deluded souls believing their own lies.
To become a Christian means becoming a trinitarian to most. If they lose their trinitarianism, they lose their Christianity. The 2 go hand in hand.
*NONSENSE!!* In many places *ALL OVER THE BIBLE*, lower case in used when mentioning divinity, that does NOT prove that who is being referred to is not God.
*>> According to the Zechariah; Jesus was God even when on the cross...*
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon *me whom they have pierced,* and they shall mourn for *him,* as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
Note: *God* speaking declares that is *ME* on the cross; "and they shall look upon *ME whom they have pierced"* Also, God says *ME* and then *HIM, which is an indication of the Trinity.*
*>>> You might want to read this...*
> Proverbs 18:13 - "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."
> Proverbs 10:28 - The wise man is glad to be instructed, but a self-sufficient fool falls flat on his face.
> Proverbs 15:32 - "Whoever ignores instruction despises himself, but he who listens to reproof gains intelligence."
Trinitarians willfully overlook the fact that ego eimi was everyday language. The blind man in the next chapter identified himself by saying "I AM." Nobody considered throwing stone. If this was invoking the divine name then people would have been saying it all the time. And when John the Baptist says, "I AM not the Christ" he would have been saying "YAHWEH is not the Christ." Even if you suppose this WAS the divine name, you would still have this problem: "I will put MY words in his mouth."
it is still every day language now. BTW Neither Jehovah or Jesus are EVER ADDRESSED as I AM in the entire Bible. The Hebrew Word for I am was and is "ani" (google it.) This is one of Christendoms desperate bottom of the barrel twists to justify the trinity nonsense. (delusion if you like). Please read my exegesis on John 1:1c under Turbo Rat replies, above.
Irenaeus, student of Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna the disciple of the Apostle John, according to the Apostolic tradition given him (Against Heresies, 3.9):
1. *John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith, and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that "knowledge" falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word; and not, as they allege, that the Creator was one, but the Father of the Lord another;* and that the Son of the Creator was, forsooth, one, but the Christ from above another, who also continued impossible, descending upon Jesus, the Son of the Creator, and flew back again into His Pleroma; and that Monogenes was the beginning, but Logos was the true son of Monogenes; and that this creation to which we belong was not made by the primary God, but by some power lying far below Him, and shut off from communion with the things invisible and ineffable. *The disciple of the Lord therefore desiring to put an end to all such doctrines, and to establish the rule of truth in the Church, that there is one Almighty God, who made all things by His Word, both visible and invisible; showing at the same time, that by the Word, through whom God made the creation, He also bestowed salvation on the men included in the creation; thus commenced His teaching in the Gospel:* "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made. What was made was life in Him, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not." "All things," he says, "were made by Him; "therefore in "all things" this creation of ours is [included], for we cannot concede to these men that [the words] "all things" are spoken in reference to those within their Pleroma. For if their Pleroma do indeed contain these, this creation, as being such, is not outside, as I have demonstrated in the preceding book; but if they are outside the Pleroma, which indeed appeared impossible, it follows, in that case, that their Pleroma cannot be "all things: "therefore this vast creation is not outside [the Pleroma].
2. *John, however, does himself put this matter beyond all controversy on our part, when he says, "He was in this world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.* He came unto His own [things], and His own [people] received Him not." But according to Marcion, and those like him, neither was the world made by Him; nor did He come to His own things, but to those of another. And, according to certain of the Gnostics, this world was made by angels, and not by the Word of God. But according to the followers of Valentinus, the world was not made by Him, but by the Demiurge. For he (Soter) caused such similitudes to be made, after the pattern of things above, as they allege; but the Demiurge accomplished the work of creation. For they say that he, the Lord and Creator of the plan of creation, by whom they hold that this world was made, was produced from the Mother; *while the Gospel affirms plainly, that by the Word, which was in the beginning with God, all things were made, which Word, he says, "was made flesh, and dwelt among us."*
3. *But, according to these men, neither was the Word made flesh, nor Christ, nor the Saviour (Soter),* who was produced from [the joint contributions of] all [the Aeons]. For they will have it, that the Word and Christ never came into this world; that the Saviour, too, never became incarnate, nor suffered, but that He descended like a dove upon the dispensational Jesus; and that, as soon as He had declared the unknown Father, He did again ascend into the Pleroma. Some, however, make the assertion, that this dispensational Jesus did become incarnate, and suffered, whom they represent as having passed through Mary just as water through a tube; but others allege him to be the Son of the Demiurge, upon whom the dispensational Jesus descended; while others, again, say that Jesus was born from Joseph and Mary, and that the Christ from above descended upon him, being without flesh, and impassible. *But according to the opinion of no one of the heretics was the Word of God made flesh. For if anyone carefully examines the systems of them all, he will find that the Word of God is brought in by all of them as not having become incarnate (sine carne) and impassible, as is also the Christ from above.* Others consider Him to have been manifested as a transfigured man; but they maintain Him to have been neither born nor to have become incarnate; whilst others [hold] that He did not assume a human form at all, but that, as a dove, He did descend upon that Jesus who was born from Mary. *Therefore the Lord's disciple, pointing them all out as false witnesses, says, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."*
Dude.. u pulled the Irenaeus card.. that’s cheating ;) no but seriously thanks for posting this. Its very insightful. The disciple of the disciple of the evangelist himself.. that should be enough to shut the mouths of the multitudes of individuals and cults who like to pull words and phrases out of context as fodder for their groundless speculations about something that is otherwise crystal clear. You’ve inspired me to read Irenaeus!
@@johnspartan98 Jesus spoke Hebrew 😊
Jesus says he is alpha & omega : beginning & end. Nothing before , nothing after
Jesus' Father is the first and last GOD
Jesus was the first and last to die between both covenants
That said, nowhere does Jesus ever declare Himself without beginning or end as His Father did - as those words belong to Jesus' own GOD and Father alone
Read Hebrews chapter 7:3 melizideich has no beginning nor end 😂😂
@@GO_142
Was Melchizedek GOD?
It doesn't take a genius to discover the relative details and conclusion as to the text is saying.
PS, best to leave the serious topics to those with a capacity to respect the information and source from which these were given
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Just as when they see us they should see Jesus. Whoever has seen us should see Jesus, that is if Jesus dwells in us.
1John 4:12 No one has ever seen God...
@@johncathey2945 And, exactly my point!
None of those quotes are an issue. Jesus was in total obedience to God and through him God revealed himself. Thomas did not proclaim Jesus to be God but worshipped the God that was revealed through God's faithful servant. If all of us were this obedient I think we would understand what was really going on. But unfortunately, due to the intellectual and philosophical rot that seeped into christiantity the early church created this convoluted Godhead idea to centralize power and also try and maintain a stable relationship with the state.
When you read . In the beginning you interpret it in line with the passage The whole passage was about creation. Who created , Jesus or God?
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Why father son and spirit. Why baptise like this?
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
Why does the Father not send his own Spirit?
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Who is the US here?
Exo 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' "
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
Joh 8:59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Why did the Jews want to stone Jesus?
Then all the verses about Jesus being the creator. When we know there was no one with God, when he created everything.
Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
Job 9:8 He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
" The whole passage was about creation"
Where did you get the notion it is about the Genesis act of creation?
When I read the passage again it really seems like the traditional interpretation is correct and Jesus is the word. Verses 2 and 3 clearly indicate the passage means the beginning of the world. I don’t know why the maker of this video wasted my time and tried to confuse so many people.
@@marcuschello4210 exactly. The Logos becomes flesh. And it is seen as dwelling among us(people)
@@TheTrinityDelusion , Common Sense. Which you don't seem to have.
It is so clear, that Jesus is the Word of God, who was with God in the beginning, being not in the fashion of a man at the time, but rather, being in the form of God, and in The Father's express image, and it is... IN THIS SENSE,..... that Jesus is God.
Paul says, "And he is before all things" not just at the beginning, but BEFORE the beginning, thus he didn't BEGIN at any beginning. He is also referred to as "Him who IS, and who WAS..." He is YEHOVAH of the Tanakh, as ALPHA and OMEGA, the FIRST and the LAST, as in Isaiah "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the FIRST, I also am the LAST." Isaiah 48:12 Jesus, as God is "one" with God, NOT a numerical 'one' but as Jesus prayed in John 17: "That THEY (plural) may be ONE, even as WE (plural) are ONE."
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
there is no clearer scripture!!!
kwonbbl I like this comment you have knowledge of what the words are for true, this lord and god word confuses the readers all the time for they don't no the diff between names and titles, the father of creation names is Yahweh the son name is Yahshua ha mashaich which means Yahweh is salvation, they need to know that on that day wee all will have that name Yahweh as well as our returning king name, we all will posses the family name Yahweh Jeremiah 23:5-6 a little insite
kwonbbl this is a stretch of the meaning. Do you really believe that is what he meant? Seems you are inferring a lot.
Do you think that Thomas went here instantly from total unbelief to making doctrinal statements about Jesus?
the verse 20:28 is a contradiction please don't use it in theology of Jesus
I’m not sure this will be read because there’s many comments here but here is some info that might help understand what John is saying in John 1:1. It says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (NKJV). It helps to look at other verses, for example, if we look at 1st John 4:8 we have the phrase “God is love”,
But does that mean that God is just an emotion and doesn’t actually exist? That he is just the emotion of love? No, I don’t know anyone who would say that. Also look at Psalms 18:31 which says God is a rock and Psalms 78:35, “...God was their rock.” but does that mean God is a large boulder somewhere in the Holy Land? No, it’s speaking poetically or metaphorically. So you are looking at John 1:1 and saying that the word “Word” just means literal words or one word and that it means Jesus didn’t really exist (according to you).
Try this, take the wording in John 1:1 “the Word was God” and change it around to say, “God was the Word”. Now compare that with 1st John 4:8, “God is love”, what’s the difference, that is, what’s the difference in the language being used” There’s no difference, it’s poetic language. So you can’t come to the conclusion that Jesus didn’t have a pre-human existence from John 1:1. Using your logic, in order to be consistent you would have to say the Father didn’t exist either.
Compare:
"God was the Word"
"God is love"
"God is a rock"
There’s other verses also which say he existed like for example, 1st John 1:2 which specifically is talking about Jesus and says, “that eternal life” (“that” is in NKJV). He couldn’t be eternal and “with the Father” if his existence just began at his birth in Bethlehem (or whenever the conception took place). Just trying to help….......Mike in Missouri
"unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." John 8:24.
@@johnspartan98 the word HE does not exist in the Greek manuscripts where John 8:24 appears. the word HE was added by the translators of different English versions. BTW Jesus was giving an answer to a question: "Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:57. 58 Abraham had been dead for over a 1,000 years. and the Lord told them I EXISTED before Abraham.
"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God." Isa. 44:6
“Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last." Isa. 48:12
Jesus says this about Himself
"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 1:7, 8
"And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Rev. 1:17, 18
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:" Rev. 2:8
@@johnspartan98 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God." Isa. 44:6
“Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last." Isa. 48:12
Jesus says this about Himself
"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 1:7, 8
"And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Rev. 1:17, 18
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:" Rev. 2:8
@@johnspartan98 the Holy Spirit is also YHWH
Heb. 9:1-7 gives a detailed description of the OT system of worship, the next v. 8 says Who gave the instructions: "THE HOLY SPIRIT INDICATING THIS, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing." Heb. 9:8
if you go to Exd. 25:1 you will discover Who gave those detailed instructions, "Then the Lord/YHWH spoke to Moses, saying:......"
there is more:
"But this Man, after offering one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God...For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. For AFTER HE HAD SAID BEFORE: "This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws on their hearts and write them on their minds, then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” Heb. 10:12-17
WHEN did the Holy Spirit say this before?
“Behold, the days are coming, SAYS THE LORD/YHWH, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah....I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts;........For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." Jer. 31:31, 33, 34
NOTE the prophecy spoken to Jeremiah by YHWH is attributed as having been spoken by the Holy Spirit.
the Holy Spirit is a Person. He leads, Matt. 4:1 He teaches, John 14:26 He testifies, John 15:26 He guides, Rom. 8:14 He speaks, Acts 13:2; 1 Cor. 2:13 He enlightens, John 16:13 He strives, Gen. 6:3 He commands, Acts 16:6, 7 He intercedes, Rom. 8:26 He sends workers, Acts 13:4 He calls, Rev. 22:17 He works, 1 Cor. 2:11 He sovereignly gives gifts, 1 Cor. 12:8-11 He is grieved, Eph. 4:30 He can be lied to, Acts 5:3, 4 He can be blasphemed, Matt. 12:31 He can be resisted, Acts 7:51 He can be insulted, Heb. 10:29
@@johnspartan98 "IN THE BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made...He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE THROUGH HIM.....And THE WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:1-3, 10, 14
the inspired writer of Hebrews wrote this about the Son
"And: “You, Lord, IN THE BEGINNING laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands." Heb. 1:10
"has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;" Heb. 1:2
Paul wrote that the Son is the Creator of all things:
"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Col. 1:17, 18
@@johnspartan98 the inspired writers of the NT applied to Jesus OT YHWH passages:
# 1- OT Isaiah 40:3-5 applied to Jesus in the NT here Matt. 3:3-6; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76; 3:2-6; John 1:22, 23.
# 2- OT Isaiah 6:1-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 12:36-42
# 3- OT Isaiah 45:22-25 applied to Jesus in the NT here Ph. 2:10
# 4- OT Zechariah 12:8-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 19:34-37
# 5- OT Psalm 24:7-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Cor. 2:7, 8
# 6- OT Joel 2:32 applied to Jesus in the NT here Rom. 10:13
# 7- OT Psalm 34:8 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Pet. 2:3, 4
# 8- OT Malachi 4:5, 6 applied to Jesus in the NT here Luke 1:16, 17
# 9- OT Isaiah 44:6; 48:12 applied by Jesus to Himself and recorded by John in the NT here Rev. 1:7, 8, 17, 18; 2:8; 22:12-16
Amen Brother Kel ❤ Blessings our dear brother praying all is well in Jesus Christ Name ! Love the TRUTH ! ❤
I feel so sorry for your heavy laborious and therefore absolutely unconvincing attempt ! Knowledge of Truth is not merely intellectual but extremely experiential. John8:31,32
To experience something you need to have some grasp what that is. You can not say for example I saw something and expect that to explain anything to you or for someone else. If you think otherwise you are sadly deluded.
@Crusader of the Holy Grail that's true they misinterpreted the scripture and not it in contents the whole 1 chapter of john clearly shows that the Word is person but in matthew 24 Jesus said that many will be deceived so I'm not surprised that people are believing a lie just hope they come to the truth.
The beginning of the besorah of Messiah Yeshua, The dabar became basar, the besorah in the flesh, the dabar became flesh. The plan, the good news of YHVH, became fully realized in the human being Jesus/Yeshua, the beginning of the new creation of YHVH.
When Jesus rose from the dead, He went to heaven to go sit on the right hand side of the Father. If you claim that Jesus is God the Father, then explain; how can He sit next to Himself on His own right hand side? I see no logic.
Trinitarians wouldn't make that claim. Modalists might.
Crusader of the Holy Grail
I understand that Trinitarians claim that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate people yet are equal in one Essence of God.
But that is just a straight pagan way of thinking. Egyptians, Babylonians, Hindus hold this type of reasoning.
So if the son does not share the same place of power on the throne as the Father, how are they co-equal?
And just to add to that claim, why doesn’t it say that the Holy Spirit is at The Fathers left hand if it is also co-equal to the father and son?
You must understand that Jesus being an expressive image, a copy of the Father does not mean that he carries the same age and knowledge as the Father.
You can have, for example, a written Document. If you make a copy of that Document, it does not ontologically carry the same Age and Knowledge as the Original Document.
The same with Jesus. He has the same image as his father and can provide the same information and purpose. But that this not make him the Original and Eternal Creator of the universe. Makes perfect sense when we read that Jesus was the firstborn of all creation.
When trinitarian says jesus is God, they are not saying jesus is the Father, they are saying he is equal to the father which is they have the same divine nature.
I and my Father are 👉one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest 👉thyself God.
John 10:30-33 KJV
Let this mind be in you, which was also in 👉Christ Jesus: Who, being in 👉the form of God, thought it not robbery to be 👉equal with God:
Philippians 2:5-6 KJV
Quran Franklin
I think everyone understands the trinity vs modalism on this page.
Therefore it is not a question of Claiming the trinity a Unitarian God, it is a question of co-equality. How can the Son be Co-Equal to the Father if the Son is at the right hand side? That’s not coequal. That’s lesser authority.
The Son does not have the same authority and essence as the Father. Therefore they are NOT coequal.
And let me ask you, is the Holy Spirit at the Left hand side of the Father? Not even at all, it’s not even mentioned.
Hence, neither the Son or the Holy Spirit is Equal to the Father.
Matthew 24:6 No wonder Jesus said that NO ONE knows the day or hour but MY FATHER ONLY.
The Son doesn’t know the day or hour. The Holy Spirit doesnt know the day or hour.
Like I mentioned before. This teaching of a trinitarian mindset of logic is FLATRIGHT PAGAN.
THe Babylonians, Egyptians, Hindus has always worshipped Triune Gods.
Remember that when John the last apostle died, pagan beliefs and traditions were added to Christendom to convert people. This includes the Trinity.
Quran Franklin John 10:34 says,
‘Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?’
Now hold on just a second.
They made a claim that Jesus is making himself God. But God in what sense???
As Jesus responded to them, it is clear that Jesus can help us clarify what kind of God the Jews were speaking about.
He told them. Is it not written YOU ARE GODS?
Now did Jesus tell them, is it not written YOU ARE ELOHIM?
No that’s not what Jesus meant. The Bible speaks of others as Gods, with Divine authority. It even calls Kings and even Satan Gods.
So when they attacked Jesus they were essentially claiming that Jesus was making himself of Divine Authority. A GOD. NOT THE GOD ALMIGHTY THE FATHER YAHWEH.
Since they were complaining to Jesus about his Divine authority, it is perfectly clear that he counterclaimed them to be men of Divine authority. Gods. But he wasn’t calling them The God Yahweh.
Makes sense?
You are incorrect but I will explain in detail the truth and facts.
⭐️ John 1:1 is the opening verse of the Gospel of John in the New Testament, and it reads:
📖 John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
⭐️ This verse is significant for several reasons, often seen as a foundational statement about the nature of Jesus Christ and His relationship to God. Let's break it down phrase by phrase:
1. **"In the beginning was the Word"**:
- **"In the beginning"** refers to the time before creation, echoing the opening phrase of Genesis 1:1 ("In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"). This indicates that the Word existed before anything was created.
- **"the Word"** (in Greek, "Logos") is a term used here to refer to Jesus Christ. In Greek philosophy, logos could mean reason, principle, or plan, among other things. In Hebraic thought, it often referred to God's spoken word, His creative power, and self-revelation. John uses "the Word" to describe Jesus as the divine agent of creation and revelation.
-- 2. **"and the Word was with God"**:
- This phrase emphasizes a distinction between the Word and God. The Word was in a close relationship with God, implying personal interaction and fellowship.
-- 3. **"and the Word was God"**:
- This climactic statement asserts the deity of the Word. Despite the distinction in relationship expressed in the previous phrase, John makes it clear that the Word's nature is fully and completely divine.
⭐️ In summary, John 1:1 establishes that Jesus (the Word) is eternal, existing before creation, is in a close relationship with God, and is, in essence, fully God. This verse plays a crucial role in Christian theology, especially concerning the Trinity, that describes their is only One God, who within His nature is the Father, Son and Spirit; also John 1:1 teaches Jesus is both fully divine and fully human.
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The Trinity describes what is taught in the Old Testament and New Testament:
Read it: Philippians 2:5-9
Hebrews 1:5-7
John 14:2
🚨Trinitarian believe in One God, Yahweh.
🚨 The word “Trinity” is a descriptive word describing what the Bible teaches in the Old and New Testament. Tertullian, an early Christian theologian from Carthage, is known to be the first to use the word “Trinity” to describe the Bible over a 100 years before the Council of Nicaea.
📖 Read the verses below:
- Phil 2:5-9, teach Jesus is a part of the One God who is distinct God the Father.
- Hebrew 1:5-12, teaches Jesus is not an Angel; and, God the Father tells us the Son is God.
- John 14:26, The Spirit is God but is also distinct from God. That’s why the Father can send Him.
- Revelations 22:13, Jesus is eternal, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. This is Fact per Jesus.
✝️ The Trinity believes only in the One God Yahweh, who within is nature is Father, Son, and Spirit. Father, Son and Spirit together is who the One and Only God, Yahweh is.
The trinity is Satan's work - follow Jesus, not men!
@@SmalltimR 📖 FACTS: Per the Bible: The Trinity is Yahweh.
1. If you ignore all Bible Scriptures out of Context you will believe whatever.
2. If read the Bible using complete Context, like the early Church Father, you will learn, The One True God, Yahweh, is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
Also the Word Trinity is a descriptive word use by early Church Fathers, one of them is Tertullian. He used the word “Trinity,” describing what the Bible teaches, who Yahweh is, The One True God, who is Father, Son, and Spirit.
🚨Before the Council of Nicaea; the word Trinity had been used to describe what the Bible teaches.
⭐️ The first Church Father to use the term "Trinity" (Latin: "Trinitas") was Tertullian. He was an early Christian theologian from Carthage (modern-day Tunisia) who lived around 155-
240 AD. Tertullian is known for his contributions to early Christian theology and for being one of the first to articulate the concept of the Trinity in his work "Adversus Praxean," where he explained the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
It's so clear that Jesus was not God.
Mat 4:8 Again, the Devil took Him up into a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
Mat 4:9 And he said to Him, All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, Go, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve."
Notice the does not say " And Jesus said, it is I you must worship and I alone." If we are to go by Trinity teachings Satan was there tempting God. Notice how all the demons always called him the "son of GOD." Jesus has always and will be the SON OF GOD.
Josianne Ashah
"Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." Matthew 16:13-17
"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do." John 8:40
you need to realise that when adam was tempted, he failed and sinned. Jesus came to be tempted and overcame it and in the same we can overcome sin if we are in Christ. Now what did the devil tempt Jesus with?
1-Food. To get to every man's heart you need to go through his stomach and a good piece of steak does the trick
2-This works especially when you are a child of God=You can do anything you want and nothing can happen to you
3-You can receive all the power in the world cause that is what most men want, power and all they want
This is basically the 3 things with which men can be corrupted. Power and everything they want, to do what they want and food. Jesus overcame it and so we are able to do too. I know it isnt directly in the bible but when you look at the 7 deadly sins(which basically are sins and can also lead to other sins) youll see that gluttony(you eat to much and cant control yourself) is one of th things(and remember, when Jesus hadnt eaten anything for 40 days he didnt gobble up on food like many muslims do during ramadan, but he had self control). Basically you can work those famous 7 deadly sins into which satan tempted hiim with.
Also, i guess you dont know the whole point why Jesus came to die for us. Fun fact, only God can die for us cause only God is sinless. But Jesus, even though he was 100% God in nature also took on 100% man in nature. And He didnt glorify Himself because he was in Holiness. He was subject to the will of His Father and that will is also for men to obey and worship God.
+Josianne Ashah Re:"It's so clear that Jesus was not God." You relate a part, and conceal the whole. Did not the apostle Matthew, just one chapter prior, write of John the Baptist fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 40:3, "Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God," in preparing the way for Jesus?
If Jesus were not God, then the scriptures would not testify of Him as God, nor would they testify of Jesus being Him by whom all things were made. But the scriptures do testify Him of such, from the mouths of multiple witnesses. Both John and the author of Hebrews preface their works with the same teaching. Peter speaks of him as "our God and Savior Jesus Christ"; Paul speaks of Him in Titus as "the Great God and our Saviour" and to the Romans as "God over all." Thomas calls Him, "My Lord and my God." John, who declares that the "Word of God" is a name of Jesus, says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . . and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory." Paul writes to the Colossians, "For by him were all things created, visible and invisible . . . and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist." And to the Hebrews, speaking of the Son, he applies the Psalms "Thy throne, O God, is forever," and also, "You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands." All the ancient Greek writers, who spoke the same language in which the scriptures were written, also attest the same things from these same scriptures.
Jesus declares His existence before Abraham came to be; in John 17, He speaks of the glory He had with the Father before the world began. Multiple times He declares that He came down from heaven, and says also, "I and my Father are one." Paul writes to the Philippians that He "took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men," and, "being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient, even to the death of the cross." Now these things indicate that He took upon Himself something that He was not before, and humbled Himself to become something He was not before. So then He lived as a man and as a servant in humility, concealing His Deity, and it is in that place we find Him during His earthly ministry. The truth is to be gotten from the whole of scriptures, not merely a part.
smh
livealive You nailed it. Glory be to God.
2 Cor 4:4 " The God ( Theos) of this world has blinded peoples minds". here Paul uses exactly the SAME greek word John used at John 1:1! Phil 3:19 "Making their appitite their god ( theos) same word again. John 10:34 "are not your leaders gods ( theos)". The word simply means "A powerful godlike one. It can apply to the Creator, the Son, and to men! In fact John did NOT use the DEFINITE ARTICLE to describe the 'Word' as 'God' where as the "God the Word was with" DID have the definite article! So some translators render the greek more accurately by saying "The Word was DIVINE" ( See Moffatt's respected bible). Yes God's son is of 'divine nature' ( Theoites) as the "Image" of his Father who is ALMIGHTY God, The Son is a God! But he told Mary before his ascension and AFTER his resurrection "I am ascending to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD". Nothing could be clearer, the Word in John 1:1 is God's 'Only begotten' SON. John concluded his gospel with this emphasis! " These things have been written that you may believe that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD" ( John 20:31)
Thsnk you so much... Now i believe Jesus and God. Is one.. Praise God..
The primary idea is that God the Father's Word tabernacled in Jesus and that flesh named Jesus fulfilled what that Word called him to do. John then says we have seen his glory. They saw the Shekinah glory of the Word of the Father in the signs/works which Jesus was doing. That flesh, the Son of MAN, was fulfilling everything the prophets had said about him, the Word which had come to the prophets. By obeying that Word he became the embodiment of the Word.
How can you be WITH some one and be them? Its impossible.
Because you possess your words they come from within you. E.g. you know someone by their words. Either they are a good or bad person by the words they speak.
Ok but my words are not me, even though the belong to me. By that definition I’m more than one person in human flesh because I have words to
@@Priest2540 ever hear of the saying a man is nothing without his word?
@@Priest2540 how about I gave you my word
@@driller7714 1. That’s figurative language humans use. 2. The “word” in those instances isn’t even talking about speech it’s talking about reliability/integrity. 3. Jesus is called the Word because he declares/expresses the Father (John1:18) not that He is the actual “speech” of God 4. When someone says “I gave you my word, etc, that “word” is impersonal, so is Jesus now not a person?
can everyone here tell if jesus was in the BEGINNING how come satan don't know him?
professing themselves to be wise they became fools
Yes, Trinitarians interpret theos at John 1:1c as a WHAT not a WHO. They read it to refer to the Trinitarian notion of a "divine nature" by reading 4th-5th century philosophy into the text. Additionally, the Logos is eisgetically defined in terms of the same 4th-5th century philosophy. For that reason they translate houtos & autos as "he" & "him" at John 1:2 & John 1:3. But as John 6:60 demonstrates, this is not due to the grammar but is a foisting their philosophy into the text.
Good jw stuff there. Lots of gymnastics and hoops to jump thru. I love how you really chop it up for us so we can’t read it as one piece. V 2 “He was in the beginning with God.”
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. - John 1:14
Question - who’s glory? We know God doesn’t share his glory with anyone according to the book of Isaiah, I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. - Isaiah 42:8
but what is Jesus talking about in jn 17:5? And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
Seems To me that Jesus and the father shared glory, yet His glory would be shared with no man.
"The glory You have given to me, I have given to them." - Jesus
@@TheTrinityDelusion So is Christ in you and are you in Christ?
@@cityslickercamp259 precisely
God has no beginning or end
I dunno if you ever check notifications anymore but, just today I think, I asked the Lord about John. I had a question I know, no man can answer. And here I came across this. I love how He works.
I really enjoy your teachings. You are able to extract truth in the greatest of ways. I love it. I'm a Prophet guy, 100%. NT is very odd to me, and has many shapes to it.
1 Kings 19:9 “And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, (the word of the LORD came to him,) and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?”
The Beginning of a New Creation.
It doesn't say the beginning of a new creation. It says "all things visible and invisible", Saint Paul also repeats this in Colossians 1:16 -- all things. Where? In heaven and on earth. Saints John and Paul believe Jesus to be the "Memrah" of God through which the universe was made, which was a thoroughly Jewish concept. But the words "new creation" neither appear in John 1:1-14 nor Colossians 1.
@@aahlstrom93 Hebrews 2:5
@@robertrecchia2642 Right, but Saint John's Gospel is based on the intro to Genesis; which is the initial creation. Hebrews 2:5 has nothing to do with that; but I'll take a look at it later.
@@aahlstrom93 You are interpreting John 1:1 in the traditional orthodox way in that it not only applies to Genesis but that God’s “word” (Logos) is referring to Jesus. Kel & myself are former Trinitarians who no longer believe in a literal preexistence of the son (Jesus).
There are non-trinitarian (Unitarians) who believe John 1:1 applies to Genesis but the “word” logos is impersonal.
When did the light come into the world? Was it at the Genesis creation account? Jesus told us when
John 9:5 : 4-5
We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
The light entered the world here: Matthew 3:16-17 and John 1:32. God is Spirit and God is light and He gave Jesus His Spirit so that He, the Father, would be abiding in Jesus, the light within Jesus.
Finally..thank you!
In beginning of the new creation in Yeshua the Word of God's utterance was ... Not about Genesis creation. [Thank you brother Kel. I am still alive.]
there's a verse that comes to mind when I watch this video wolves in sheep clothing period period and period again please just take a look at John chapter 1 verse 1 2 & 3 peace out my friends as for me and my house we will serve the Lord our God oh how I love my savior he died on the cross for me oh praise is worthy thank you Jesus for saving my soul.
Even if "In the beginning" refers to the Gospel and not creation, it still doesn't undo the last part of John 1:1: "The Word was God".
The Word proclaimed in the Gospel of John was God because Jesus made the Father known by this Word.
.... the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know HIM WHO IS TRUE and we are in HIM WHO IS TRUE in HIS son Jesus Christ. THIS is the true God and eternal life. 1 John 5:20
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten.... has declared HIM. 1:18
I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world.... they have kept Your Word. 17:6
I have made Your name known to them 17:26
@@TheTrinityDelusion I don't follow what you are trying to say. If we read on: He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. We see that Jesus created all things. Creation is an act of God. If you claim the Father made Jesus, God, then it contradicts Isaiah 43:10.
prov8..... wisdom was God, she was there making stuff too. Read it and see, so now we have a quartet and not a trio?
or are they both a hebrew idiom they loved using. Personification. Making an action by God into a personality.
Trees clap hands, rocks cry out and mountains bow down. scripture is full of it.
God did use the power of the spoken word to create, so yes the word did it, and wisdom oversaw it, and in the course of time God "fleshed out the plan" and formed a son within Mary, the seed of the woman from Gen3:15, and filled him with His spirit so that man would be the promised one from Deut18:18.
and so Gods word spoken through prophets, written by scribes, and believed on by man, has brought us to thos realization, that God spoke, and it was. No second person of God called Word, its God alone who did all this and produced a human son, and glorified him and raised him and made him Lord in His place, for a season, till all things are put in subjection.
blessings, i hope you can see through the trinity fog which hangs around Johns prologue poetry.
@@milanterzic859 you see in Colossians that Jesus created all things seen and unseen. But Col is about the new creation in christ, the church. Not Genesis creation.
Jesus is head of the new creation and as C in C he is the boss and sets up authorities and positions of power in the church. Read the intro page of Colossians in your study bible. There is context.
@@ken440 Jesus carries the authority of God, and the only thing that can carry the authority of God is God.
The beginning of creation. Plain and simple.
Rather have your ears tickled?
The Trinity Delusion - Na I like hearing the truth. From someone who knows exactly what they are talking about, but I can see that's not you.
I see. You seek out those who tell you what you want to hear.
The Trinity Delusion - Na I seek those out who speak the truth.
Which are defined as those who tickle your itching ears.
Wendy Jones 6 minutes ago
Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56-59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring-that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself in Exodus 3:14.
But Rev 22 : 16 does not Jesus sent his angel to say what the I am is ? Does not the bible say God did it by himself, no one help him . Were is Jesus now ? and who was there before Jesus was given the place on the right side of God ?
In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God.... And the word became flesh. Interpret that for yourself, it clearly states that Jesus is God.
Where?
Nope no trinity there or anywhere in the bible. I find it interesting that people always want to make God something they can see. Sense we disobey by make images and statues of Yeshua and sense we do this then we have to make him Yahweh a d nowhere does he claim to be God.
joe dod “logos”, or the “word” is simply a metaphor for everything in the universe that is good and holy. “Logos” is NOT a proper noun, but has been translated that way by men with agendas.
Witch one of Logos do that? all different philosophical directions in Greece
had they own meaning to "Logos".
John 1:2 John 1:14 John 10:30.
Doesn't John 1:3 explain which beginning he was talking about, the beginning of the creation?
It is a very good video.It is for me an excellent revelation regarding THE BEGINNING.Thank you all who placed that wonderful video!!!!!
The Holy Spirit will guide you into *ALL Truth* . Exegesis in this video is not followed. So The scriptures are not used to confirm scripture. This is why we are left with an opinion and a fleshly understanding. This video is propaganda. In 1 John the narrator here has overlooked an examination of a key word *everlasting* . The bewitched narrator does not want you to examine ALL The Truth because he has an opinion and an agenda to lessen Jesus authority. Jesus is *Everlasting* see Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 9:6. Jesus is THE Truth not a truth, not truthiness, not a lesser truth. Exegesis of *Light* also confirms Jesus is The *I AM* Today is the day to *know* Jesus is *The ALL and in ALL*
>>> A Few Overlooked Scriptures Revealing the Deity of Jesus Christ.
False teachers and deceived people claim that "Jesus was not God." The Bible says otherwise in many clear and irrefutable scriptures, some of which often go overlooked. Here is a list of scriptures declaring Jesus Christ as GOD.
>> 1. According to the Zechariah; Jesus was God even when on the cross...
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." - Zechariah 12:10
Note: God speaking declares that is ME on the cross; "and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced" Also, God says ME and then HIM, which is an indication of the Trinity.
>> 2. ONLY God is to be worshiped; if you are worshiping any other being other than God you are committing idolatry and blaspheming God. God calls the Son "GOD" and commands the angels to worship Him...
"Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." - Hebrews 1:4-8
>> 3. Mary called her Savior GOD; who was the Savior?...Jesus is our Savior, who Mary calls GOD. Mary declared Jesus who is the Savior to be God; she tied GOD (or divinity) and SAVIOR (Jesus) together as one and the same...
"And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." - Luke 1:47 ..."GOD MY SAVIOR."
>> 4. Thomas, who at first doubted that Jesus was resurrected from the dead after being crucified, declares Jesus to be both his LORD and GOD...
"And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28
>> 5. It was GOD who purchased us with His own blood...
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood." - Acts 20:28
Who's blood purchased us? ...GOD'S Blood. Who shed His blood for us on the cross? ...Jesus, who was shedding GOD'S Blood because that was GOD our Savior, Jesus.
>> 6. God is both our Savior and a just God...
"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." - Isaiah 45:21-22
Note: "no God else beside me; a just God AND a Saviour" ...Isaiah writes that who God is, He is also our Savior; who is our Saviour?... Jesus, who is both Saviour and GOD; "a just God AND a Saviour."
>> 7. The Apostle Peter calls Jesus both "our God and our Savior"...once again scripture combines Savior with GOD together; they are one and the same...
"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:" - 2 Peter 1:1
>> 8. The Apostle Paul calls Jesus both "our GOD and our Savior"...
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." - Titus 2:13-14
Note: Some false teachers claim that Paul was speaking of two person; first GOD and then second of Jesus who "was only the Son of God, not God Himself." Close examination of Titus 2:13-14 reveals that GOD Paul was speaking of is GOD who is soon to return to earth in the glorious appearing; that is clearly a reference to Jesus Christ who is God who Paul calls "the great God."
>> 9. The Apostle John calls Jesus GOD...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1
Later in John 1:14, John reveals that the Word who was GOD was made flesh... "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." At no time did John indicate that by becoming flesh that the Word who was God ceased to be God while in the flesh.
>> 10. As discussed in point number two above concerning the worship of God; Jesus accepted worship and never commanded anyone to NOT worship Him. ONLY GOD is to be worshiped.
If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity. This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship. As the second Person of the Trinity, He was worshiped in Scripture...
"And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh." - Matthew 2:11
"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." - Matthew 14:33
"And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." - Matthew 28:8-9
Note; ONLY God is to be worshiped.
>>> JESUS IS GOD.
It is very TRUE, Jesus Christ is GOD!!!!
Amen!, This is a very good study. Thank you.
The word,Bible, and Law are interchangeable.Bible is a greek word meaning Law.The word of God is gods law.The commandments are said to be Gods laws given to moses.The doctrine of Jesus are the words, commandments, and thus laws of God.Replace the word"word with Law" .Then go further into John and get the answere to if Jesus IS God.Jesus is Gods commandments in the flesh so that you can see the truth in the flesh and get the words from a trusted messenger(mesiah) JOHN 12:48-50. If you ignore Jesus' words on the matter you are complicating it by leaving it up to interpretation.If what Jesus states here cannot be taken literally then the whole of Jesus' words have no true meaning.
Where satan is at work you will almost always see the following three attacks on God and His word; satan attacks THE DEITY OF JESUS, THE WORD OF GOD, THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. In this video from "the trinity delusion" we see all three attacks.
FACT...
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)...
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." ...GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH...GOD WHO WAS THE WORD... "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." ..."And the Word [WHO WAS GOD] was made flesh"...God was manifest in the flesh....JESUS IS GOD.
you are following John not God
Hmmm, interesting. Thank you for the warning. Gotta test the spirits.
@@geriademi5822 the whole Bible is Gods word
Torah and Gospel was , bible is man made , as a chrsitian you should know that well
@@geriademi5822 yes the whole Bible is man made but inspired by God if you dont belieave that's on you but I think you should take a look on how evil this world is and then ask is God real
The Word WAS with the father and the WORD was was was GOD!!
Bob Free what are you saying brother ?
read above- i follow scripture no matter where it leads. GOD reveals himself within 3 persons, or personailties.this is clear in scripture, comprehenf it. NO. apprehend yes. who am i to say GOD cant be who he is or shows himself.
Bob Free you need to study ancient text and culture. English cannot express fully a language used thousands of years ago. If you don't understand linguistics and how it works, you won't understand the Bible fully. His LOGOS was with God and WAS GOD. His LOGOS became flesh. The English word for Logos is the closest thing we have to express it, but it more than just "word". This is why most people don't understand the Bible at all! You must study the ancient text!!
Thank you for a very thought-provoking argument.
So was a second person of the Trinity rare in those days?
Do you think maybe the "word of the Lord" was God communicating with someone? The Bible also refers to the word of Moses. Do you think that might be Moses speaking? If you read your NT carefully, you will discover that it actually tells you the word of the LORD was the Father speaking through the prophets. You can start at Heb 1:1. Then maybe you might think of reading Acts 3:13-25.
Both. He is God and man at the same time
Perre, read my comments above under "Turbo Rat.
+Henry Santiago This ignores that Christ also could not live without food etc. I.e. was human. He veiled His divinity during His mission here to suffer and die for us. Philippians 2 is clear on that. The Son now knows the hour since He has no need of undertaking hunger, limited knowledge, thirst, etc. having becoma slave and undergoing His passion for us.
(Notice that He puts Himself above even the angels by the way.)
Your going to use that misinterpreted twisted verse? You HS appear not to know scripture, God, exegesis, hermeneutics, or context. Jesus claims to be God in Matthew 4 especially. Acts 20:28 GOD ransomed us with His OWN BLOOD. God is one, and me in His image also have a brain words and might... Study with God not these false teachers cherry picking verses please.
Right! That's why Paul calls him "the man Christ Jesus" not "the god-man Christ Jesus"!
Complete red herring and straw man: that Christ is *a true 100% and real man* (read: is a man!) is not denied by Christians: hence 'true God, and true man.' In fact, that St. Paul here qualifies Christ Jesus actually *militates against* your purely human Christ! You're aware St. Paul says Christ is of Israel "according to the flesh" (another qualification used elsewhere, and which says that "his origins are of old, even from the days of eternity;" "[From] the begninning," "before Abraham was," "for he was before [him]"). Yet: "and of whom [Israel] is Christ (according to the flesh): who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." A doxology calling someone God????? Hmm. Do you worship the merely human 'man Christ Jesus?' If so, you're a filthy idolator. But if like Thomas He is your "Lord" and "God" tabernacled among us, then you must worship Him. For He isn't only a man, then, but personally God: "the Word ... was God, ... and the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us:" "God with us."
We as Christians _don't expect_ much later, POLEMICAL rhetoric and overly precise terminology ('true God and true man,' 'true God and true man,' 'the God-man,' 'Trinity') to be found on the lips of the Apostles. Why would we expect it to be? The Bible isn't a catechism. Your argument doesn't hold I'm afraid.
God bless.
Context is everything. . .
Genesis 1:1-5 (NKJV)
[1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
(CREATION)
[2] The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(CREATION)
[3] Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
(CREATION)
[4] And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
( CREATION)
[5] God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
(CREATION)
John 1:1-3 (NKJV)
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Before creation)
[2] He was in the beginning with God.
(Before Creation)
[3] All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
(CREATION)
[4] In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
(CREATION)
[5] And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
So let’s have a look at some key words from both books.
In the beginning - All things were made through him/created the heavens and the earth - Darkness - light - God
You don't seem to know what context is.
@@TheTrinityDelusion and you do
Jesus is not God but the Son of God
lll give you some scriptures to read from the Holy Bible
Colossians 1:15 Jesus is shown here to be the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation
John 17:3 - this is an important scripture. As it means everlasting life, knowing the true God and the one whom he sent, Jesus
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I". John 14:28
Now what did the early Christians believe
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"; 1Timothy 2:5
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8v6
Notice there is ONE God and ONE Christ
God cannot be seen
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him". John 1:18 The world saw Jesus in the flesh so he cannot be God as no1 has seen God
God is everlasting to everlasting. If Jesus was created and always subjected himself to the father who sent him he cannot be God. As he said the father is greater than I.
1 Peter 1:3
Jesus was and will always be GOD...
>>> A Few Overlooked Scriptures Revealing the Eternal Deity of Jesus Christ.
False teachers and deceived people claim that "Jesus was not God." The Bible says otherwise in many clear and irrefutable scriptures, some of which often go overlooked. Here is a list of scriptures declaring Jesus Christ as GOD.
>> 1. According to the Zechariah; Jesus was God even when on the cross...
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." - Zechariah 12:10
Note: God speaking declares that is ME on the cross; "and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced" Also, God says ME and then HIM, which is an indication of the Trinity.
>> 2. ONLY God is to be worshiped; if you are worshiping any other being other than God you are committing idolatry and blaspheming God. God calls the Son "GOD" and commands the angels to worship Him...
"Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." - Hebrews 1:4-8
>> 3. Mary called her Savior GOD; who was the Savior?...Jesus is our Savior, who Mary calls GOD. Mary declared Jesus who is the Savior to be God; she tied GOD (or divinity) and SAVIOR (Jesus) together as one and the same...
"And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." - Luke 1:47 ..."GOD MY SAVIOR."
>> 4. Thomas, who at first doubted that Jesus was resurrected from the dead after being crucified, declares Jesus to be both his LORD and GOD...
"And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28
>> 5. It was GOD who purchased us with His own blood...
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood." - Acts 20:28
Who's blood purchased us? ...GOD'S Blood. Who shed His blood for us on the cross? ...Jesus, who was shedding GOD'S Blood because that was GOD our Savior, Jesus.
>> 6. God is both our Savior and a just God...
"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." - Isaiah 45:21-22
Note: "no God else beside me; a just God AND a Saviour" ...Isaiah writes that who God is, He is also our Savior; who is our Saviour?... Jesus, who is both Saviour and GOD; "a just God AND a Saviour."
>> 7. The Apostle Peter calls Jesus both "our God and our Savior"...once again scripture combines Savior with GOD together; they are one and the same...
"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:" - 2 Peter 1:1
>> 8. The Apostle Paul calls Jesus both "our GOD and our Savior"...
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." - Titus 2:13-14
Note: Some false teachers claim that Paul was speaking of two person; first GOD and then second of Jesus who "was only the Son of God, not God Himself." Close examination of Titus 2:13-14 reveals that GOD Paul was speaking of is GOD who is soon to return to earth in the glorious appearing; that is clearly a reference to Jesus Christ who is God who Paul calls "the great God."
>> 9. The Apostle John calls Jesus GOD...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1
Later in John 1:14, John reveals that the Word who was GOD was made flesh... "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." At no time did John indicate that by becoming flesh that the Word who was God ceased to be God while in the flesh.
>> 10. 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)...
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Who was manifest in the flesh?... Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Who does 1 Timothy 3:16 say was manifest in the flesh?...GOD.
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14
Who was received up into glory?...Jesus Christ.
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1:9-11
Who was GOD that was "manifest in the flesh"...Jesus Christ; ergo Jesus Christ is GOD.
>> 11. As discussed in point number two above concerning the worship of God; Jesus accepted worship and never commanded anyone to NOT worship Him. ONLY GOD is to be worshiped...
If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity. This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship. As the second Person of the Trinity, He was worshiped in Scripture...
"And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh." - Matthew 2:11
"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." - Matthew 14:33
"And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." - Matthew 28:8-9
Note; ONLY God is to be worshiped.
12. Steven called The Lord Jesus GOD...
"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." - Acts 7:59
13. "Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." - Isaiah 45:15
Isaiah said Jesus is God; who is the Savior?...JESUS. Who does Isaiah say the Savior is?...THE GOD OF ISRAEL.
>>> JESUS IS GOD.
@@johnspartan98 , You just proved Jesus was God again; you must enjoy making a fool of yourself in public...
>> GOD CALLS JESUS GOD...
"8 But unto the SON he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
GOD (The Godhead) clearly speaks of Jesus THE SON, and calls Him GOD. And, commands that THE SON, who is GOD is to be worshiped. ONLY GOD is to be worshiped...
"6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."
LOOK CLOSELY: "let all the angels of God worship him."
John, GIVE IT UP, give up your demonic FALSE DOCTRINE and know the truth...JESUS WAS AND WILL FOREVER BE GOD.
Of that there is no doubt.
Sorry, you are wrong; Jesus was and will always be GOD...
>>> A Few Overlooked Scriptures Revealing the Eternal Deity of Jesus Christ.
False teachers and deceived people claim that "Jesus was not God." The Bible says otherwise in many clear and irrefutable scriptures, some of which often go overlooked. Here is a list of scriptures declaring Jesus Christ as GOD.
>> 1. According to the Zechariah; Jesus was God even when on the cross...
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." - Zechariah 12:10
Note: God speaking declares that is ME on the cross; "and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced" Also, God says ME and then HIM, which is an indication of the Trinity.
>> 2. ONLY God is to be worshiped; if you are worshiping any other being other than God you are committing idolatry and blaspheming God. God calls the Son "GOD" and commands the angels to worship Him...
"Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." - Hebrews 1:4-8
>> 3. Mary called her Savior GOD; who was the Savior?...Jesus is our Savior, who Mary calls GOD. Mary declared Jesus who is the Savior to be God; she tied GOD (or divinity) and SAVIOR (Jesus) together as one and the same...
"And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." - Luke 1:47 ..."GOD MY SAVIOR."
>> 4. Thomas, who at first doubted that Jesus was resurrected from the dead after being crucified, declares Jesus to be both his LORD and GOD...
"And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28
>> 5. It was GOD who purchased us with His own blood...
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood." - Acts 20:28
Who's blood purchased us? ...GOD'S Blood. Who shed His blood for us on the cross? ...Jesus, who was shedding GOD'S Blood because that was GOD our Savior, Jesus.
>> 6. God is both our Savior and a just God...
"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." - Isaiah 45:21-22
Note: "no God else beside me; a just God AND a Saviour" ...Isaiah writes that who God is, He is also our Savior; who is our Saviour?... Jesus, who is both Saviour and GOD; "a just God AND a Saviour."
>> 7. The Apostle Peter calls Jesus both "our God and our Savior"...once again scripture combines Savior with GOD together; they are one and the same...
"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:" - 2 Peter 1:1
>> 8. The Apostle Paul calls Jesus both "our GOD and our Savior"...
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." - Titus 2:13-14
Note: Some false teachers claim that Paul was speaking of two person; first GOD and then second of Jesus who "was only the Son of God, not God Himself." Close examination of Titus 2:13-14 reveals that GOD Paul was speaking of is GOD who is soon to return to earth in the glorious appearing; that is clearly a reference to Jesus Christ who is God who Paul calls "the great God."
>> 9. The Apostle John calls Jesus GOD...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1
Later in John 1:14, John reveals that the Word who was GOD was made flesh... "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." At no time did John indicate that by becoming flesh that the Word who was God ceased to be God while in the flesh.
>> 10. 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)...
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Who was manifest in the flesh?... Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Who does 1 Timothy 3:16 say was manifest in the flesh?...GOD.
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14
Who was received up into glory?...Jesus Christ.
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1:9-11
Who was GOD that was "manifest in the flesh"...Jesus Christ; ergo Jesus Christ is GOD.
>> 11. As discussed in point number two above concerning the worship of God; Jesus accepted worship and never commanded anyone to NOT worship Him. ONLY GOD is to be worshiped...
If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity. This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship. As the second Person of the Trinity, He was worshiped in Scripture...
"And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh." - Matthew 2:11
"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." - Matthew 14:33
"And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." - Matthew 28:8-9
Note; ONLY God is to be worshiped.
12. Steven called The Lord Jesus GOD...
"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." - Acts 7:59
13. "Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." - Isaiah 45:15
Isaiah said Jesus is God; who is the Savior?...JESUS. Who does Isaiah say the Savior is?...THE GOD OF ISRAEL.
>>> JESUS IS GOD.
@@johnspartan98 , Hebrews 1:4 and 8 do not in any way deny the deity of Jesus Christ.
He was MADE LOWER than the angles FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEATH...
Hebrews 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
THIS VERSE DOES NOT SAY HE WAS NOT GOD.
AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, HE WAS EXULTED AS GOD, and the angels were commended to worship Him. What ignorant foolishness has you been deceived by?
@@johnspartan98 , are you serious, or just trying your best to look dumb?
YOU ARE A SPIRIT, that does NOT mean you can't also have a physical body. GOD IS A SPIRIT; where does God's Word say that GOD CANNOT HAVE A PHYSICAL BODY because He is a spirit? Stop inserting your assumptions and ignorant nonsense into scripture that is NOT THERE. You are deceived by your own foolishness!
THIS IS JESUS BEING DECLARED TO BE GOD... John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."
LOOK CLOSELY; the WORD (JESUS) was with God...AND WAS AT THE SAME TIME, GOD...ergo; JESUS IS GOD.
RE: "The church was purchased by the blood of God's own Son"
LOL, LOL, yes, just go ahead and twist scripture anyway you can to remain deceived.
Nope. John purposefully began his gospel in the same way as Moses as a challenge to his brethren Jews for not seeing Christ who was the from the beginning, in the beginning, as the beginning (Rev. “I am the alpha … beginning”).
_'In the beginning, as the beginning'_
I don't know who would settle for such nonsense, though the circular reasoning in so painfully obvious...
That said, and quite obviously the beginning is that of GOD's works - as though this isn't written over and over again...
Funny how you made no comments on verse 3 or 10 hmm... all you did was ask what beginning was being spoken of. Could it be that Jesus is in fact God as He Himself claimed? I have a question for you sir: if when you stand before Christ and you learn that He is indeed God and Lord, what will you say to Him? If Christ is indeed not God and I learn of this when I stand before Him, I will gladly walk away from Him and will willingly walk into the gates of Hell. And when I'm being tormented and asked where is my God now? The One that I stood for and defended? I will tell them that I do not know where He is because He didn't love me enough to erase my sin Himself but sent someone else to do it for Him. I am willing to bet my eternity on the basis that Jesus is indeed God in the flesh. Have a good day sir. I pray that the Holy Spirit will show you the error of your ways and will bring you to Christ before it's too late
Compare the words houtos and autos used in verse 2 and 3 with how they are used in John 6:60.
Jesus never claimed to be God as you are claiming he did.
Get your facts straight.
+The Trinity Delusion I don't get it. Yes, I do bother to check this kind of stuff because it is very important to me that we don't make bad assumptions about this key text, and I am seeing unjustified arguments on both side of this debate. So verse 2 and 3 - both houtos and autos are used to refer to THE LOGOS, so what exactly is your point?! Do you think that one is for persons and the other for non-persons?! Once again I don't think your John 6:60 of quite as much use as you imply. There might be a little irony in your conclusion to Perre ;)
+The Trinity Delusion Your reasoning is that because some masculine nouns do not have a corresponding gender in English, that therefore every masculine reference in Greek must be translated as neuter.
I can't even count the number of times this kind of argument would make nonsense of the scripture, particularly when houtos and autos are used to refer to God and other masculine persons throughout the New Testament, and of note how John must therefore in John 1:6, 7 be referred to (according to your usage) as "it". That is, "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. *It (οὗτος, i.e., "John")* came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through *it (αὐτοῦ, i.e., "John")* might believe."
The "Word" is specifically the name of Christ, as John bore witness to in Revelation (c. 64-86), which was written before his gospel (c. 96-100). That is, "his name is called the Word of God" (Revelation 19:13). This is equally demonstrated in John 1:12. If the "Word" is nothing more than some impersonal divine utterance, how is it that it is said of the word, "as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, *even to them that believe on his [i.e. the Word's] name:*". I trust you do not believe that the impersonal divine utterance has a "name" (τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ)?
When and where did you study Greek? I've asked this before, and you never answer, which makes me think you are simply relying on others who are every bit as unskilled in the language as yourself. I would hate to think that you do have any sufficient knowledge of the language, because these and other statements you make indicate if such is the case you have a willful disregard for it or are flat out being deceitful.
It seems so obvious to me that for neither of you is the pronoun useful to develop your argument. In fact if either of you do, then you are misleading those who are not aware of Greek. Move on to more convincing points!
John B Friend, I don't really understand being included in your chastising rebuke. Please go back and read what I actually wrote. The only thing I "develop[ed]" in my argument by using the pronoun is a ridiculous translation of John 1:6, 7 to demonstrate the misleading nature of his reasoning.
I'm especially perplexed with your statement seeing that you and I are both in complete agreement that the pronouns are irrelevant, I did no wrong in addressing it, either, seeing as how his misleading treatment of them is a prominent factor in his arguments concerning John 1:1-15.
Brother Kel, you're almost there. You're indeed right concerning the Beginning, with a small correction. It doesn't refer to the beginning of the Gospel, technically speaking, in terms of the historical events, according to the written Gospels. It refers to the Gospels themselves, or rather to the time from when Jesus entered his ministry, to when the Gospel first was preached after the day of Pentecost. Practically, the birth of the Church, with Jesus as the head of the Church and the beginning of his Body. The receivers of John's first letter were hardly present alongside the disciples at the beginning of "the beginning" i.e. Jesus' ministry. But they were present in the beginning described above. We must take into consideration that John wrote this, let's say 80 AD. That means that the beginning of the period from the beginning of the Gospel events into on year of the Acts is about a 2-4 year period (depending on School) of a period of 52-54 years, in total. That's John's perspective.
Good presentation, thank you
In Hebrew the first word in Genesis 1:1 is Bereshit. I can't type Hebrew on my laptop, but inside of Bereshit, if you single out the letters you can find the Hebrew words for son, God, thorns, head, and tree. The first syllable of the word, spelled with two letter; beit and resh, spell the word bar which is son in Hebrew. So, the first word God spoke out was son. Bereshit was the word iinside God and about God.
All glory to He who sits on the throne for He is worthy
How then could He atone for our sins since "all have sinned" (Romans 3:23) and there is none good but God" (Matthew 19:17)? Can sin redeem sin?
God, Jehovah, sent his only begotten, firstborn, created son who was perfect, and remained a sinless MAN right to his death. "The last Adam" 1 Corr 15: 21,45. 1Tim 2:5 Jesus is referred to as a man ONLY dozens of times , not a GODMAN. Jehovah needed a perfect man in exchange for perfect man Adam to satisfy His perfect Justice so we might have life. Isnt that simple and logical? William please read my comments under "Turbo Rat" above. Im sure you will appreciate them.
So then, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation, but it isn’t an obligation to ourselves to live our lives on the basis of selfishness. If you live on the basis of selfishness, you are going to die. But if you put to death the actions of the body with the Spirit, you will live. All who are led by God’s Spirit are God’s sons and daughters. You didn’t receive a spirit of slavery to lead you back again into fear, but you received a Spirit that shows you are adopted as his children. With this Spirit, we cry, “Abba, Father.” The same Spirit agrees with our spirit, that we are God’s children. But if we are children, we are also heirs. We are God’s heirs and fellow heirs with Christ, if we really suffer with him so that we can also be glorified with him.
Friend our sin is defined as coming short of the glory of God which Jesus defines as loving our enemies and blessing those who persecute us & co. BECAUSE we are to be perfect just like our heavenly Father is... None of us manage this but Jesus did and so inherited his reward which is the gift of holy spirit to all and upon all that believe which is why Paul stresses it is our believing that produces the spirit led mind not our attempts to be spiritual, these just collapse inevitably into our works of (un)righteousness - but this isn't about paying for sins we who were Gentiles can't be found guilty of sin until we have the knowledge of the law which is why the religious path usually goes from happy ignorance to answering the call to realising you still like to grab your dick and have a drink to feeling guilty to plea bargaining to thinking it's about right belief and for the real nutters the right Name of God for ones' magical incantations t either complete cynicism and despair with a general throwing it all over to the realisation 'the gates of the city are open' and fine let him that is filthy be filthy still but also blessed is they who wash their robes in the blood of the lamb, the liberty is in grasping God's eternal goodness displayed in the life and resurrection Christ 'while we were yet in our sins Christ died for the ungodly' his anointed ambassador proclaiming good news to the captives. Believe and be saved or...But Samuel answered the people, “Don’t be afraid. Yes, you’ve done all this evil; just don’t turn back from following the LORD. Serve the LORD with all your heart. Don’t turn aside to follow useless idols that can’t help you or save you. They’re absolutely useless! For the sake of his reputation, the LORD won’t abandon his people, because the LORD has decided to make you his very own people. But me? I would never sin against the LORD by failing to pray for you. I will teach you what is good and right. Just fear the LORD and serve him faithfully with all your heart. Look at what great things he has done for you! But if you continue to do evil, then both you and your king will be destroyed.”
The Word of God, Yahushua (Jesus) came into the world; just like in the beginning God created the world through Him. The reason why the first beginning (Genesis) and the Beginning of the gospel (John1:1) are so similar is because it was, and is, Jesus who is the Word itself.
"All things came into being through him, and without him came into being not one thing that is in being. "John 1:3 Codex Sinaiticus
Kel, I’m wondering are you still in 100% agreement with this video which was posted in 2013? I thought I had come across a more recent video you did. Thx
In the beginning. Not sure what beginning because God has no beginning. We have a testimony of Stephen and another who saw Jesus on the right hand of God. Jesus has a father he prayed to again and again and again.
Is Jesus true God or false god?? Pick one!!
interesting study. it's been 10 years and was wondering during this time are you still confident the name of YHWH (the Father) is YAHWEH?
Jesus Christ is the divine word and light the shined in the beginning. That's the word John is discribing in John 1:1-5; and 14.
Your Bible indicates God CREATED that light.
Jesus is called the Word of God. Revelation 19:13
Everything was created THROUGH Him.
Col 1:16
The Word in John 1:1 is referring to Jesus.
John 1:3 speaks on His eternity. That He wasn’t made!!!!!
If Jesus wasn’t made then that means He’s God!!!!! Because there can’t be two uncreated entities when God said “no one is beside me”. So figure it out buddy
Except that you made mistaken assumptions regarding both verses. For example, Col 1:16 isn't even referring to the Genesis act of creation.
The Trinity Delusion Nice try buddy! You must of took philosophy or sum. But as you know, your response has no meaning. Genesis part act of creation or not, Everything was created through Him. Let’s be grown about this and not go piece by piece. Just give me your full thought on the matter or don’t respond lol
It doesn't say anything about God sending another person who embodied before Jeremiah. You need to stop confusing what the text says with your imagination.
Have you ever read how God put His words in His prophet's mouth and that prophet was Jesus? Yes, the word of the Lord came to Jesus too. Have you never read how God made this promise to Israel so that they would not have to hear God's voice? Do you realize what that means?
Brother Kel, Also Jesus said time after time that his words were not his own, but were given to him by The Father, therefore fulfilling Deut.18:18
People can’t understand that to be spirit and flesh is not to be 2 persons. The flesh is one person. The spirit is one spirit.
The beginning here mention in John 1:1 is not referring to genesis chapter 1 but to a time long before this earth was created. See Proverbs Chp 8:22-30 especially verses 22;23.[Micah Chp 5:2] and Job Chp15:7,8 and Proverbs chp 8:25 are connected.
+E Gabriel -if beginning in john 1:1 is not referring to creation in genesis 1-why does it speaks of everything created ? the only place we know where everything was created is in genesis. wise up.
E Gabriel, you are correct, Duke below quotes 10 scriptures and NOT ONE them of teach a trinity. Read my exegesis above under "tornado" replies re John 1:1c.
Listen bro scripture tries to warn people so they don't get deluded. The serpent in the wilderness was lifted up to deliver that generation from God's wrath; just as Jesus was to be lifted up to deliver his generation from God's wrath for upon them was to come judgement for the blood of all the righteous slain 'now the wrath of God is come upon them to the uttermost' but when Jesus returned in AD 70 and using the Roman armies slew his enemies who would not that he reign over them he brought to perfection the confirmed NEW Covenant which is the promise of God's grace to all people everywhere, but now Jesus has handed the kingdom over to the Father that God might be All in All and when people fail to grasp this they worship the Image past its purpose and it becomes sin for them.
This just drives home the point that for thousands of years God just doesn’t seem to think it important to clarify this very simple concept. If you are sincere and believe and live a good life serving and living for others in the end will we be judged because we were deceived by other sincere believers? Translators and teachers? What is the point!? I know wonderful beautiful people that would die for Jesus and say he is God. Do they not count? Are they not deceived by the evil one? Like all throughout history. What is the truth. And how would you know it. You have good points. A Trinitarian can debate right alongside you. Both convinced they are right. There is no right! It is heart condition. Just my humble opinion.
It is but "the Good News became flesh and dwelt among us?" I think not. The Word became flesh. Someone took on flesh just like the scripture says. Jesus is the only One Who directly and perfectly fits that description
Odd how you started out here referring to the meaning of Hebrew words and yet you have completely missed it. The Hebrew word for Good News, basar, is the verb form of the same Hebrew word for FLESH. Funny how you missed that.
It does not say "someone" took on flesh. It says the Word became flesh. You are reading things into the text which are not there. Sorry, but your imagination doesn't count. The Word which came to the prophets of old was about Christ and now that Word which came to these prophets was being fulfilled, the Word became flesh.
Perre Jones, You are absolutely correct. Jesus Christ is God! If Jesus Christ is Lord, he is God!
+Demetrius3434 How so? How does Jesus being a human Lord make him the Creator of the universe. Are you saying the Creator cant give authority to a human being to reign as king, as He actually did in the Messiah? You are limiting the Creator's power. It your pride that is keeping you from accepting the fact that the Creator chose a man to reign over you. Who died on that cross? Was it the Creator or was it a man? Clearly is was man, since the Creator cannot die, nor is He a man, as He Himself declares in the OT. All you trinitarians, care more about the respect of your peers than of the truth of the Scriptures. You are so afraid of being rejected by man, that you turn around and try to make the Creator into a man, try to make a man into the Creator. Did you know that there is a passage in the OT that actually refutes the trinity concept? Obviously not. Usually I would give said passage, but under the circumstances of you trinitarians being prideful, refusing to be humble, I will let you search it out for yourself. If you are actually seeking the Father, you will go find this passage and many more refuting the trinity concept. The problem is that most of you refuse to look at context, you isolate verses to support your false views. Your false pastors are partially to blame in all of this, they have indoctrinated you into reading things into passages where the concepts dont exist. Did you not know that the majority of the passages you like to use to support the trinity are verses that your own top trinitarian scholars admit dont prove the trinity? Probably not. Pagan gods have been known to be trinitys, and the True God says that He does not exist like those false gods, in His very own Scriptures. The Creator already declared to us that faith in Him is being set apart from the others around. Not having the same trinity concepts as those false religions. Jesus is a man, albeit a man who didnt disobey his God, but a man nonetheless. As a man, Jesus was the ultimate hero of the faith for us, and you destroy the beauty of it all with your false trinity. But it comes down to pride again. Your pride keeps you from believing that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, a man who overcame sin. Deep down, you dont believe a man can actually abandon his own will, to do the will of God. So you create lies about the salvation plan. You will go around an state things such as, God put on flesh, when nothing in Scripture says that. Scripture says God was made known (manifested) in the flesh, this clearly means that Christ made God known to us, Christ preached about his Father who is our Father, his God who is our God. By definition Christ was actually a Christian, not to mention the Christ was also a monotheist.
Jesus the Christ is the one and only judge mankind have to answer to in the very end.
Is Jesus greater than God? Even Jesus says the son is not as great as the father. Why do you then put Jesus as greater than God?
It's the beginning of all that is. It's clear from John 1:3-4 what beginning he was talking about. Also please read John 17. Please note John 17:5.
Oh really? What made it clear to you? Read your doctrines into the text?
Can I please ask you what those verses say? And what doctrine am I reading into the text exactly? You have been duped by or trying to duped other through the fallacy of equivocation.
It say all came to be through the word. In v.4 it says life was in the word and the life was the light of men. That is obvious a reference to the life preached in the Gospel. There were no men at the beginning of Genesis. Verse 5 is an obvious reference to the rejection of the light which Jesus proclaimed in his ministry.
I am not talking of John 1:5. I clearly stated John 17:5. Have you looked at that prayer by Jesus himself i.e. John 17?
see my comment above under enochianknight.
Jesus is the Word and the Word was God.
Jesus is the Word of God
Hay, brother Kel, how can this be possible that John 1: is about the beginning of Jesus, simply because the word was GOD, and we agree Jesus was not GOD, so John 1:1 has to be about Yahweh GOD's word and plan as in Genesis.
Please tell me what am I not understanding.
Brother Kel, would you kindly comment on John 1:3? As much as I hear, appreciate, and lean towards your view on this subject, verse 3 DOES seem to tie it all back to the Gen 1 creation...
Is it because you are reading a translation which makes you imagine things were being "made"? John 1:3 is referring to everything that occurred in the ministry of Jesus. Everything occurred through the word of God which Jesus proclaimed during his ministry. The Greek text does not say "made." The verb is "to be" not "to make." This verb literally means "come to be" (not "come into being") and is routinely translated as "come to pass" or "occurred" or "happened," and the like. You can check that out easily at Biblehub by clicking on "Greek" for John 1:3 and then clicking on "egeneto." The light that shines in the darkness at verse 5 is also alluding to the same idea. The words he spoke where not from himself but the word of his God, light shining in the darkness. Jesus explains this at John 12:46-50.
Thank you. All the best. @@TheTrinityDelusion
@@80sizzle "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." John 5:23
demanding the same honor given to God would be blasphemy if the Person speaking these words was not God Himself. specially when YHWH does not share His glory, "I am the LORD, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images." Isa. 42:8
believing Jesus is God is a salvation issue, "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." John 8:24 NOTE the word HE is not in the Greek.
karl is a heretic who has been refuted many times. he is traveling the wide road that leads to perdition.
@enriquemoure7212 As far as wide road, the Trinitarians are in it. A few Christians believe that Jesus is not God almighty. And I am one of them. I love my brothers and sisters more than my physical family if they love Hod and Jesus. However to know who's are truly my brothers and sisters that is great task for me to find out yet. Because the Scripture tell me on this wise.: 1 John 5:1
God is eternal. No beginning. Always in existence. That God mentioned in the beginning therefore, cannot be God.
God is the Alpha & the Omega, the beginning & the ending. Is it not plausible that God is the beginning itself. The Origin, the Source?
Which congregation you are from sir?
Man, why am I so ignorant. Seeing the parallels between Mark, Luke and John it makes sense. Also here's another passage to consider from Peter.
22 Seeing you have purified your beings in obeying the truth by means of the spirit unto unfeigned love of the brothers, love one another with a pure heart fervently. 23 Being born again, not by corruptible seed, but by incorruptible, by means of the word of God, which live and abide forever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower thereof fall away, 25 Yet the declaration of the Lord remains forever. And this is the declaration which by the good news is announced unto you.
We can't appropriately read a Greek text with an English speaking mindset. Simply because we might otherwise stick an article there doesn't mean they would.
Bingo.
Trinis never look at the beginning of what.
They just assume because it's necessary to their doctrinal needs.