Forgotten Realms Lore - The Dawn War
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Episode 2 - The Dawn War
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Dude: I am a creature from before time, call me the wolf spider.
Other Dude from before time: What the hell is a wolf or a spider
Interesting profile pic baha
"Oh, um, well, see they are the first two creatures I saw, a wolf and a spider, and I thought, hey wouldn't it be silly if these 2 were combined. So that's how I chose my form."
For those interested in the bit about Miska: Miska was Abyssal, o
one of the first (but not THE first) made by the Queen of Chaos. It is uncertain if their war made it to Toril, as it ended on Oerth as Pesh. Miska was the second prince of demons, the first slain by the Queen of Chaos to promote Miska whom was her mate at the time. In Miska's absence the Demogorgon, the first abyssal demon made by the Queen of Chaos, took the title of Prince of Demons and opposes the Queen of Chaos. The Vaati, or Wind Dukes, were purely lawful, which is why they opposed the Queen of Chaos, and held an empire spanning many worlds and planes until the war against the Queen of Chaos. She now seeks the object that bound Miska (now known as the rod of seven parts) so thatvshe can free him and restart her war, because ALL demons bowed to Miska and would obey him.
The “demons" or these ones that existed before the gods the confusion you're having is because most of them hail from the far Realm and as such they predate creation they're from a separate Universe more or less
If you ever need help just hit me up man I've been playing D&D since first edition I've read almost every book in The Forgotten Realms series that's came out since the seventies I'm pretty much D&D historian
Thanks!
Jorphdan there's another UA-camr who may be able to help too he's pretty knowledgeable his name's the mighty glue stick he's pretty accurate perhaps try contacting ever something work something out with him a collaboration
ua-cam.com/users/AJPickett
The Obyrith came from the reality before the one of that in play when you play DnD. They're not from the far realm. They're all that is left from a dead universe before this one. They're from a different existence and time entirely. The reality they came from, they destroyed. Corrupted and warped it to a point it was destroying itself, and so what is left of them are also the survivors of that dead and entropic cosmos. They make abberations look like kittens.
This is FRICKING AWESOME. Thank you SO MUCH for these videos.
On god man, I’ve been binging, thanks for everything , you are much appreciated
So much of Blizzard history comes from D&D.... It always made me LoLz when Blizz would put stuff out and I would be like "oh that's D&D Lore..." While my friends would tell me no way... its OG stuff!
I’m here five years later to tell you I was thinking the same thing. Oh that’s old gods, oh that’s the titans, oh that’s the void lords. Lol
Well both actually pulled heavily from mythology
D and D ripped off lotr, lotr ripped off Celtic and Norse mythology. That's how it goes.
@@BrianDgreat123 "drew from" sounds better than "ripped off"
the latter implies plagiarism
@@BrianDgreat123 'inspired by'
Lord Ao created the prime material plane for Toril not the other planes or other prime material planes
So each overgod rules one pocket universe. Each of those universes are connected to general planes elements .. Abyss and so forth.
@Khashon Haselrig the Lord Ao is never mentioned in Dragonlance. How does he relate to Paladin, Takikiss and Gideon
Ao is the supreme god of toril. Each material plane has a different supreme god. The oberynth came from a destroyed and twisted universe
Chris Wilder
Ao, the Over-God was only ruler in the crystal sphere of Forgotten Realms, which consists of all the planets in the same solar system as Toril, and the sister solar system that the planet Aber sits in. However, i believe that Ao ceded control of Aber to the Primordials...:p
Ao is the local manifestation of Io who sprung from the pre-void void, then created the void that everything else came from. The first crystal sphere they made was the one Council of Wyrms is set in, then they went in to make the rest. That’s why the fate of the multiverse is dependent on player success in Council of Wyrms, as when Io returns there next time if Dragons haven’t learned to properly cooperate Io will undo everything, every plane and every sphere. BTW humans were created to give Dragons an enemy so evil and terrible that they’d have to unite to defend against.
@@chriswilder9719 not every prime world hase over-power, some crystal sphere has it some not, toril has ao, krynn high god, greyhawk no overgods, athas no gods at all
This is great! My entire homebrew revolves around Tharizdun and I've done countless hours of research to make it cohesive. This is all i was able to find as well. I already have avatars, cults, CRs, everything for Tharizdun campaigns. If you're interested I can provide them. Awesome work! Can't wait to use the lore surrounding the dawn war as well in my homebrew
It's only home brew until it's shared. You're the Ao of your story. I hope your work is available to see somewhere out there. I'd love to read it after all these years.
@@crewie94 It is! Here are some links:
www.reddit.com/r/UnearthedArcana/comments/5hm4u3/avatar_of_tharizdun_my_first_custom_monster_page/
www.dmsguild.com/product/201879/Last-Flickering-Light
www.dmsguild.com/product/202266/Armory-of-Tharizdun
Hope these are helpful! The avatar seems overpowered but keep in mind it's basically a god. Feel free to take away circle of death to make it more realistic for battle. The adventure last flickering light is straight out of the original campaign I talked about. ENJOY!
@@WesCordell YOINK
@@Finnegaust I actually ended up going way over board and publishing the adventure!! It's called "Last Flickering Light" if you're interested :)
I remember when in 2nd AD&D, The Dawn war was actually the War of Law and Chaos, and Miska was simply the Queen of Chaos's #2.
I have been searching for a video like this forever and i saw it on reddit. i see you going far, so good luck on youtube.
Thanks! I actually got the idea to make them because I too couldn't find any videos like this. I hope you enjoy them.
Wow so this lore is what just have inspired Matt Mercer in critical role (the Tharizdun part I mean) also SUPER cool video
This series is wonderful! But wanted to let you know that the "cosmic" and planar aspects in these creation myths can be researched through old 'Manual of the Planes' books and Planescape Campaign setting. Planescape includes all of the planes and does an incredible job of giving a glimpse of each plane and some of their origins. These aren't mutually exclusive to Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk or whatever because most D&d campaigns take place in the Prime Material Plane. Each Prime Material Plane has their own origins which is separate from various other planes of existence.
Man, thank you again for this massive compression of knowledge. I wouldn't know where to start without you.
Dude, as a loremaster myself this is the BEST CHANNEL I'VE FOUND SO FAR!!! AAAA!
I guess IRL I'd be a Bardic Sage subclass... I just love learning lore... World building, etc. It allowed me to cook up a back story for my Pale Mistress character where The Pale, simply put the gray misty stuff of life and death that Ao created, still exists and is the source of power for Pale Masters of her specific tradition. It allowed me to play a Lawful Neutral PM. Love this shit, bro!
Hey there nice video on Tharizdun! I am most attached to the lore based on the Gord the Rogue books, although it is very nice to see the legacy of Tharizdun carried on even today!
I take it the PH wasn't silent in this video.
apparently not! #EarlyVideoDayz
I love the IoVKingofTerror fight. I have a different dragon lore, but I kept that fight, with the minor change of Io remained as an entity.
To be more accurate, Lord Ao created and is responsible for the solar system of Realmspace within the crystal sphere that currently holds it. He and potentially countless other over-gods inhabit and oversee solar systems contained within crystal spheres floating within a multi-colored gas called phlogiston. They themselves have a mysterious master (or perhaps masters) that oversees their work, and Ao has a brief conversation with his master at the end of a FR novel.
Ah screw the phlogiston lets just drop the crystal spheres into the astral for no reason and call it a day...
The forgotten realms exist in the same “multiverse” as other dungeons and dragons settings. To other worlds already in canon.
Cody from Taking 20 sent me and this was really good. I enjoyed this video. Can't wait to see more.
Hey man thanks! Cody is good people. I think I've heard you on a few episodes of Roll Up and Die? Am I wrong? Either way you're awesome and I'll be checking out your channel today for sure :D
They have talked about my old character Brasswick a couple of times but I have never been a guest on it before. Hey I appreciate the kind words.
Thanks so much for putting these together. I love your presentation, even if you don’t know everything, the other 95% is well worth it. Thanks!
Look at it this way: cosmos (orderly creation) is an mote of anomaly within primordial formlesss chaos. The obyriths, and the abyss in general, is primordial chaos' defense mechanism against the intrusion of cosmic creation. The Abyss and demons is basically the primordial formless chaos's immune system tearing a breach into the cosmos, which then needs to be guarded against by cosmos's own immunitary defenses, Baator.
The Far Realm has no alignment, it appears to consist of worlds that wouldn't fit together in any rational cosmology Chaos-Law is native to the Great Wheel cosmology and it's one of the axis that give it cohesion as a cosmology
The Obyriths come another cosmology, which they destroyed before moving to the Great Wheel
I would have sworn this was part of the origin of Greyhawk with references to Tharizdun and the Wind Dukes, but I trust you (and I wouldn't be surprised if some things were reused). Either way, i hadnt heard these characters stories put together quite this way, or completely, before. Thanks! Im oing ro keep listening to this series and liking my way through them.
This is one of my early videos, it highlights a lot of 2e/4e lore. In later 5e books they mention the Wind Dukes fighting demonic hoards as part of the Dawn War.
Is the Tharizdun you mention the same one that destroyed Oerth (the world of Greyhawk) and was imprisoned in the Grey-space crystal sphere (along with entropy)?
Good video series, really enjoying it.
is probably confusing cuz primordials and the dawn war are apparently 4e stuff that they carried over, 4e is more or less dc new 52 in comparison to 5e, so 4e had it's own separate lore and when they went to 5e they basically took the prior editions and kept what worked and what they wanted from 4e to make 5e, least that is what I have been told
That’s awesome. In my character backstory I’m a spawn of Tharizdun. I’m a tiefling sorcerer lol.
Was he mad though? Can we really judge him by our yard-stick? Maybe Tharizdun knew what he was doing all along.
about miska the wolf spider. the abyss gets created. the oberinth take as there own. the oberinth create the tin'arrath (aka demon's) as their warped children of their own twisted image to wage war against the gods. demogoron was actually the first. but was seen as inperfect and cast aside. then after several attempts the created miska the wolf spider to be the supreme prince of hell. but he died or was banished or sealed away I cant remember, and Demogorgon came out of exile to take the throne
Its a blast watching these! wouldnt have the PH any other way. HAHAHAHA that ending just got me.
Just found you, loving this series!
Welcome! :D
Could you do videos on all the playable races, at least the core ones?
Like this one?
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Love the lore! Regarding the Obyriths though; they existed in the formless void (which became the Far Realm once Ao begat the multiverse), being the ancestors to the Qlippoth (quasi-pseudonatural Abyssal denizens far predating the Tanar'ri).
Qlippoth are from Pathfinder, D&D has the Obyriths
@@حَسن-م3ه9ظ that's right! I forgot that I homebrewed the lore together, since i run 3.5P most times. I have the Qlippoth as the first descendents of the Obyriths, having been supplanted in dominance of the Abyss by the Tana'ri within the last few thousand years. [I also have permanent natural wormholes (Gateways with Permanency) in the Lowerdark, leading to each of the lower planes, leading to a permanent flood of fiends into the deep]
You know why all of this part is soo unclear? Because that’s how real mythology happens lol
The obryths are actually beings from an entirely different reality. They came to the D&D universe after they destroyed their own, they then made the abyss or took over the abyss (kind of unclear which)
I knew it! The ph isn't silent!
6:11 Dinosaurs in a medieval fantasy setting... Sounds like that episode of Land of the Lost.
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Tharizdun and the wind Dukes originally came from the Greyhawk setting.
correct! My earlier videos I discovered a lot of generic D&D lore and not necessarily "forgotten realms" lore. Which is why this sneaked in. Good catch :)
A very annoying aspect of the 4e core setting is that it borrows gods from other settings, and then deliberately gives them backstories and traits that are not compatible with their original lore. I didn't truly understand this until I read a certain bit of Dragon #372, page 20.
i.imgur.com/VE1rciC.png
"The Bane of the core D&D setting is not the same god as the Bane of the Forgotten Realms setting". Similarly, there are two Tharizduns who are not supposed to coexist within the same canon. Yup, not just worlds, but canons.
Now, I believe the Tharizdun who occasionally visits Toril is the Tharizdun from Greyhawk, whereas that story about creating the Abyss is from the other Tharizdun. I could be wrong, but I think the Abyss in FR lore, including 4e FR lore, does not owe its existence to such an event.
Thank you for making it short and simple like potato chips
5:28 the best strategy game ever.
TSR while creating Chult: WELCOME TO JURASSIC PARK!
Love the Video keep it up
Thanks! Will do! New episodes every wed.
not gonna lie. After grinding through a playlist of your vids, the pH is no longer silent
Oh no!
A peninsula cannot be an island :P Sick videos!
Don't forget that tiamat has a three headed sister with a yellow, purple and orange head
1:02 I’m pretty sure you’re not missing anything, the lore just contradicts itself in regards to what came first in a lot of places.
need to get yourself a copy of the 2nd edition campaign setting and volo's guide supplements. The wiki is good but has clearly left many many holes in your story. Read the campaign setting books and lore books and reshoot this. Was a good video I enjoyed it.
I am not sure but I believe askarath is the name of the dragon who was cut in half by the primordial and then the one half became Bahamut and the other became Tiamat
Myska the Wolf Spider was a creation of the Queen of Chaos, second after Demogorgon. I assume that makes him an Abyssal demon
Part of the reason you're confused about Ao as the creator god is because he's not; Amosdeus and Jazerian are the two creators and Ao likely appeared after the aboleths, which likely came from the Far Realm to the Material Plane shortly after their split. The gods defeated the aboleths, and with the world up for grabs, the primordials and dragons came into being or arose to conquer the planat that used to be the aboleths'. That's my understanding of the early timeline anyway
2:13 so the abyss was originally an elemental plane?
Nice series! Looking forward for more vids. The meme pics felt a bit out of place though! :P
Also this is exactly like the Points of Light setting lore goes, down to the same gods (according to the SCAG, Tharizdun doesn't exist in the FR). But I also know the 4e FR books included a lot of 4e lore in it, so not sure how this goes.
The SCAG only covers information pertinent to Faerun, which is only one portion of the Forgotten Realms. So even though the SCAG doesn't mention Tharizdun, that's not to say that other continents in the realms do not know about him.
Tharizdun is known to the Forgotten Realms, he is just not commonly referred to by that name there:
Rather, the few followers of Tharizdun mainly follow him under the name of "The Elder Elemental Eye"
Which in turn is the "leader" of the Princes of Elemental Evil;
Though Toril has had only "minor issues" with these forces.
Due to inconsistent meet ups in my group (and generel bad manners regarding commitment), the majority of us have decided to scrap the homebrew we're playing in, and go all in on Faerun. It's much easier than waste a bunch of time making up a world, only for people to cancel at the last minute...(yeah, I'm kinda pissed off😂)
These are great, Soon i might even be able too comprehent wtf is going on in these d&d games
Good video but I'm still confused regarding the first demons. Did they come from the Far Realm or some other plane before creation? I'm lost.
Aren't asgorath and Io the same being? If they are, then how come Io dies in the dawn war, but asgorath lived to cause the tearfall during the age of thunder?
Can someone please answer me this who or what are the primordials and can you still fight them in d&d?
Kal-El 702 they’re basically elementals. Just elemental GODS, as I understand it. So players wouldn’t really fight a primordial, but elementals are somewhat common in dnd
My assumption is the oberiths are cthulu esque old gods that naturally formed in the endless void (well if you know spell jammer lore the void isn't so endless... also it's my belief that the old gods live in the phlogeston, the asteral see between the spheres of existence, and they alway try to break into spheres to distort and destroy spheres).
Basically thariston is a guy who starts out with a business from his parents withdraws and uses it as a threat and primordial are torn apart because of this, then the abyss uses pure souls to clean up the defilement
The past tense of cleave is "cleft."
3:33 isn’t there be a dragon god in itself conflicting with the fact that there are proto-dragons? Dragons evolved from other creatures, but were also created in the image of a deity?
This is before Aber and Toril were split into two planets on two different planes?
If i remember correctly, this whole Aber-Toril stuff didnt happen, or was revealed in Fourth Edition, right?
Im gonna pull the ignorance card, but i remember hearing that fifth edition basically retconned out all the "Aber-Toril" shit...or so i thought
Mainly confused cos I'm sure I've seen "Eo" or "Ao" spelled at Io, and that confused me cos Io is also a dragon god...are they the same guy?
yes in some retrospects they are either the same God,or at least similer in position,depending on the the details of which creation story you consult (as there is actually more than one with slight,to moderate differences)
as they are both credited with similer and even the same feats (including the creation of the Multiverse).
What's with the random M2:TW screenshot?
this history....if it were a stage play against wizard of Oz.....it would be a tough choice which is better.
A lot of this lore comes from Oerth and Gary Gygax. That's why law = good and chaos = evil.
The Queen of Chaos created the Tanare Demons, the first of which was Demogorgon.
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I really hope every world of warcraft lore fan can see the parallels here lol
So how did the sun come back after Dendar ate it? Ubtao do it?
I believe Selune reignited it from the plane of fire. Once the Primordial threat was taken care of.
So they caused dendar to regurgitate what was left of the sun and reignite it, or make a new one? I ask bc I'm running a campaign with dendar as the climax
I believe they made a new one. Sources aren't super clear but I did read "re-created" on the wiki. Referencing pg 42 of Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide.
Thanks a bunch man, love the vids. You bring out stuff I haven't been able to find.
Dafuq I can't remember ever watching you, but now after I watched the first 2 episodes of the realms lore I went to sub and turns out I already have...
Welcome back lol!
Nice video. Like the channel.
Thanks!
I thought the Oberyths were from another universe which they had destroyed and which was collapsing so they reached out to the main universe (with the shard) to attempt to leave that dying universe.
You are correct!
Cool, cool. A few years back I had to do a bunch of research as a DM because Tharizdun was going to be my big bad. There are so many random references to him and the Dawn War and all that. But piecing it together was fun.
Isn’t chult just forgotten realms Australia?
5:15 Actually, Mal Reynolds from Firefly is more Chaotic Good if he were a D&D character.
So the dragon got split by an adamantium axe?
Thank you for doing this series. It's a really great idea,
I do have one tip for you, you pause a lot and you take some time to pick up the text while you're searching for the next word. I suggest you write the episode before hand, do a few takes on the speech, and then edit it together to make it more continuous and professional. As a basis, do watch TheManaSource and their MTG Lore Videos, it's pretty much what you're doing but with MTG lore instead of FR.
Cheers and goog luck
Thanks! I do write them out ahead of time but I also ramble a bit. I'll watch your recommendations thanks :)
Good video in general but i need to ask
How much this still canon? Because THE Dawn war in general is a thing of Nethir vale, not FR,
(i mean Like the abysm reation story is 100% nethir vale,and 4e, i doubt is the creation myth before it, because Tharizdun not even exist in FR before in 4e, and in 5e it came back to Greyhawk for example..or just the elemental planes being elementa chaos just turned a thing after 4e ,demons being elementals corrupted etc)
They tried to retcon a lot of it to FR in 4e, but a lot things contradicts 3e lore and 5e don't help explaining what is now canon and what is not
The lady of pain is the manifestation of pain.
Are the obereths the manifestation of evil?
Well if anyone started building stuff in your empty space you'd be pissed too lol
Evil shards for everyone yaaay
@Jorphdan - The Oberyth's came from another dying universe. They sent the shard to our universe to act as a beacon.
correct!
Listens carefully, takes notes......I need pins and string
haha!
@@Jorphdan btw thanks for this series. I'm dming for a bunch of firstish timers and since they are all gamers I figured forgotten realms might be a good place to start. AND Oddly enough even though I've been playing for over a decade I havent really ever played in a FR campaign so thanks again!
So where do the Aboleths that supposedly existed before the gods come into play?
what game is that @ 5:37 ?
I've always felt that the weakest point about the Forgotten Realms were the gods and its mythology. They should have kept it more simple, IMHO. Still, thanks for making this Jorp(h)dan.
I bet there is so much history i do not know ..
Vibe check
You need to be careful when talking on this early part of the lore of the Forgotten Realms.
Much of the information you're drawing on is from 4th Edition, which in turn focused on a completely
different setting than the Forgotten Realms, and only partially (and very badly) attempted to connect
the lore of the new setting with the Forgotten Realms.
A particularly important detail to mention here would be "The Elemental Chaos" which straight-up doesn't exist
in the Forgotten Realms setting; in that one, the Elemental Planes are ordered up in different elemental sections;
and the Abyss doesn't have any connection to them at all:
(The 4th Edition Manual of the Planes explains this, acknowledging the differences between the "Great Wheel"
cosmology of the Forgotten Realms, versus the "World Axis" cosmology of the new setting of 4th Edition")
MadHatterHimself Actually the Elemental Chaos did exist in the 4e realms the Spellplague reshaped the realms cosmology to something a version of the World Axis cosmology, but the Planes in the Astral Sea we're different, such as Astral Domains like the Towers of Night, the House of Nature, Gates of the Moon, and so on.
In 5e they don't actually tell us completely tell us what the cosmology of the realms looks like, but I think it changed with Sundering, to something resembling 5e default cosmology, but with FR elements like the Fuguitive Plane, but we know that the Shadowfell and Feywild are still their, and that the Plane of Zaggaruxus is somewhere mothballed and run down, but ready to be returned, which means its also likely that Heiropolis is likely to return.
A piece of relevant information is that some stories (planescape lore) have the Abyss be 'made' out of something chaotic with a seed of evil. That could just as well be Limbo, because of the elemental and chaotic nature of limbo (all descriptions indicate it is a place where matter, motion and energy run rampant everywhere). And while Oberyths are the ancient lords of the Abyss, the abyssal demons known as Tarna'ri took over somewhat recently (eons ago...), but there ARE older things than the Oberyth, alluding to a 3rd now gone planar realm. Dagon, is the example there. But that is old planescape lore.
In order to better understand this you need to look into Windlords.
I'd take Cap. Picard as Lawful Good (perhaps even Neutral Good), if you want a real Lawful Neutral I'd put the Sherif Virgil Cole portrayed by Ed Harris in "Appaloosa" and the captain of firefly as Chaotic Neutral (if you want a Neutral good character I'd put Spiderman or The Flash instead) and I wouldn't consider Xenomorphs as no more aligned than "always Neutral" given they are 2 point INT max. aberratios, possibly with the quality to apply their WIS mod. to INT skills and checs pluss their INT penalty (a spetial treit I created to descrive animals with 2 INT points that may look "smarter", such as chips, dolphins, elephants and police dogs) if you want a real Neutral evil Character I'd put the Star Wars Emperor Palpatine. Greetings
If you're watching this after the tomb of annhilation was made you know what happened to ubtao
ABEER ToREEL?
PhGod phvideo phbro!!
captain picard is neutral good.
he is very ethical and moral to the best of his abilities. he isn't always lawful. he tends to go rogue when it means doing the RIGHT thing. so he serves as an authority figure but will break rules just to be GOOD. morality trumps legality with him. the new star trek show PICARD really pushes him towards chaotic good more than ever though.
i don't know who came up with that chart, but picard is blatantly incorrect.
xenomorph feels chaotic neutral to me though. the rule of order is irrelevant. but it's not evil or good. it just exists on instinct.
So the reason your confused by pre existing creatures is cuz your missing the spell jamer lore that fills in that stuff. All these dnd settings exsist together
PhGod phvideo phbro!!
I guess today the PH is not silent
So what was Ao doing when all this fighting was going on in his newly created universe? Picking his butt?
You need to read the forgotten realm books :D
Time of Troubles aka Avatar series etc.
I might have gotten this wrong, but from what i know is that 2 of the gods stole a tablet from AO. AO called all of them into a meeting and asked who did it. No one came forward, so he stripped all the gods of their powers turn them to mortals and threw them down on Toril. Some of the gods died for whatever reason, mortals rose to god status, some gods were ressurected etc.
after Mystra died, the spellplague hit (i think it was Cyric's fault), a healing spell could turn deadly, etc. it wasn't safe to use magic anymore.
When the war with Many-Arrow started, Tsbrak Xorlorrain wizard was suppose to start "The Darkening", but he was stopped by "some adventures", instead i think it was his Cousin or even Gromph Baenre who made "The Darkening".
My lore is a bit rusty, but you should definitely read the forgotten realms books
The Avatar series is on my kindle waiting to be read! I just need to finish these birthday present books first! :D
Niiice
"What the Hell Did I just Read" by David Wong, and "Summer Knight" By Jim Butcher :)
I think one thing you left out is that with the end of the war between the gods and Primordials, Ao split Abeir Toril into two dimensions, with Abeir the province of the Primordials and Toril that of the gods.
The Oberiths and the Primordial were probably created by AO's experimentation in his early attempts at creating gods and seeing as those attempts failed and he didn't want to kill either of these experiments(Because I mean, would you kill you child if they didn't turn out how you imagined?). The other planes were probably AO's tries to create a balanced world(like Toril) and when they didn't work out he was like "What the heck, I just leave these here, it's not like they could hurt somebody or anything crazy like that!" This is just my own speculation, not fact, I have no grounds for this information aside from my imagination.