The learning curve was a lot more aggressive with Spintires/Mudrunner and it's something that Snowrunner leveled out and makes it easier to get into the game quickly. Overall I'm pretty happy with Snowrunner though I find myself often having to mod it in order to tweak the game to be more realistic in some respects but with VerZsuT's SnowRunner XML Editor it's a quick and mostly painless process to do so.
This music has special place for this channel because it was used in first ever mudrunner video that I made. That video is what made me serious about UA-cam... before they it was casual video uploading on internet.
I found manual loading way more enjoyable in MudRunner. Yes the menu was more clunky and complex, but it's the fact the cranes worked like... cranes. lol Don't get me wrong I manual load and unload logs a lot in SnowRunner, especially with the Forester and doing medium log jobs. I'll put 4 loads of logs on a single truck, go to location 1, unload 3 loads, pack 1, complete. Reload the 3 loads I took off, to go location 2, unload 2 loads, pack 1, complete. Rinse and repeat. But even though I've done it a lot, it's not enjoyable in SnowRunner like it was in MudRunner. Not only are the log cranes weak in SnowRunner, but the rotation on them is too damn fast and twitchy. It's very unenjoyable. Whereas in MudRunner I'd be one of the first guys at a log kiosk in online hoping somebody would come by so I could load them. The slower and smoother rotation speed + stronger grabber was so much more fun to use than SnowRunner's overly fast and twitchy rotation speed + weak grabber. What we need is the menus of SnowRunner combined with how cranes worked in MudRunner.
Yes, MR crane controls are way more intuitive and simpler to use. Left stick controls crane movement on X and Y axes, right stick controls Z axis and grapple rotation. Very easy. Unlike SR, where you have to raise and lower the crane with LB/RB.
I think the licensing and ownership of the IPs is weird. Like i think focus owns the Spintires and Mudrunner IP but they didn't develop either of those games.
@zentran2690 focus owns MudRunner and SnowRunner but not Spintires, which was developed by Oovee. They have licensing and copyright disagreements between the two companies so that's why you see weird stuff between Spintires and the MR/SR franchise.
I love SR that's why I make videos on it. I don't do many postive vids on SR because it's obvious that its most successful out of franchise, so Its better to make videos on shortcommings which might help devs to improve SR further making it even better than it already is.
@@SD1ONE yeah, makes sense, but it's still nice to make every now and then a positive video. Ofcourse, SR is not perfect and some critique is needed, but sometimes, I feel like you are a very nitpicky 😅. That said tho, you are making the best SR content in this way, so keep doing what you like! 👍
@@kexcz8276 agree with the nitpicky part.. sometimes it can be very troublesome to watch so many videos with "look how mudrunner did that better than snowrunner", with all the white knights behing yelling how sh*tty is snowrunner comparing to the previous games. To each is own but there is a time when one have to turn the page. And the great comparaison on physic between the games is a very debattable subject.. But of course this is my opinion. What I see on my side is less than 100 hours on mudrunner, and more than 1800 hours, still increasing, on Snowrunner.. go sue me (not you kexcz8276 of course, but some others could surely proceed) .
5:50 Fun Fact: that red barrier used to be in SpinTires as well but it got removed for some reasone. Also I agree with all the things you listed except the one with the crane. For me being able to select individually the options on the supports was more fun. The crane controls in both SpinTires and MudRunner are way better. The only thing I miss from the shifter in SnowRunner is the modelled gearshift you see. It looked better and gave you the feeling that you changed the greas on your truck.
You're right...I wasn't sure if red barrier was there in spintires but now when you pointed it out...I remember they were in OG spintires from 2014-16 but then in later updates they removed it...I don't know when....Crane controls IMO are confusing specially with keyboard mouse...Don't know about controller.
Great video. Yes, people these days tend to think "it was better before", but SnowRunner actually brought us a heap of QOL improvements, which are immediately noticeable when you start one of those old games. Another one you should've mentioned: the map! ST and MR maps are awful, they are very schematic and don't show you each individual object on the map, like SR does. Especially rocks or mountains are shown as just one big gray mess, you can barely see where the mountain starts and where it ends. Objects on the map are very schematic too - in ST, trucks and trailers were shown as plain rectangular bricks, MR added a schematic image of truck and trailer, but SnowRunner went further: each vehicle, each trailer has its unique landmark and can be distinguished from one another.
You mean the navigation map..Yes the mountains, rocks are better in SR but still I think some things were better shown in old games like the puddles, etc in route...for example In SR the paved road in Amur's NAI map is covered with ice & snow yet the map shows it like paved road...Also there can be a swampy mess on a dirt road & yet SR map shows it as normal dirt road....I still belive that instead of making SR the way it is, these QOL improvements could easily be transfered to older games with their excellent physics & that would be a better game than SR....what I mean to say that old games had potential to be a better game but if we judge things by what we have today then yes SR is better game overall.
@@SD1ONE The problem is the engine older games use would not be easily adaptable to new features. Its like trying to replace the foundation of a building when its already up, and it would cost more to add onto the building's foundation than to just make a new building. Another thing to look at is how much you can add onto a game before you start affecting performence. The reason SP/MR have onlh the basics for everything is because anything more could start decreasing fps, and I think one thing a majority of people would agree on first is a game running smoothly over new features.
For attaching trailers in Snowrunner I find it easier to winch to the trailer first and then pull it up to the hitch then attach the trailer. I would also say that truck interiors are improved.
Nice video, agree on many points, but the quick winch, positioning the log trailers, and deleting trailers and cargo aren't improvements, it's what made the game a total arcade and removed the rest of the sim component.
Of course, I understand all this drills down to personal preferences and experience. I would say that the log crane in Spintires/MR was excellent, not only in terms of power, but controls are much more logical once you get a grip on them. And also, while on the subject of cranes - I think what these titles did better was non automatic leg extension. What I mean to say is you could extend legs down without extending them sideways and vice-versa. It was actually a good feature if you liked tipping the truck over 😂😂
I don't think that physics could work with SR map design & vast mission structure....Old games did it because maps were more grounded & missions were simple logging based....Only way to impliment old physics in SR is to design it again from ground up...means next game. Hopefully.
(WARNING Very long comment that turns into a rant) As someone that has only played snowrunner I can definitely say that while the previous games definitely seem good even by today’s standards. The problem is that outside of the communities that play games like these the average person (especially on console) doesn’t know these games exist. If you then consider the fact that the average skill level of modern gamers nowadays is below the necessary skill requirements to simply drive a vehicle without crashing or read simple instructions. Plus what games are currently the most popular. It makes sense that newer players are obviously going to pick snowrunner or even expeditions over mudrunner and spintires. Because the average player and even some veteran gamers (as in 10-20 years of gaming experience) don’t want stress or excessive unnecessary difficulty anymore they either want fun or a steady amount progression that doesn’t make them feel like doing the same thing in real life would be easier. Basically if a game is too realistic it means its probably not that fun a lot of the time because at that that point you might as well do it irl if you want the experience to be as realistic as possible. Heck there’s even people that say they want gta 6 to be as realistic as BeamMG drive and while some realism is a good thing making a game so realistic that one crash would make your vehicle undrivable is basically like saying to people you want them to be constantly angry and constantly unable to progress. That’s why personally I think that using OP mods in snowrunner is not a bad thing especially if your playing solo because I tried playing without mods for the entirety of Michigan and more than half of Alaska before I said @#£& it I’m using mods because this game is taking forever for me to progress especially with the amount of times i rolled my trucks or got them stuck and I’m not even bad at the game I think I’m actually above average to an extent atleast from what I’ve seen online it’s just I can’t deal with the stress of video games anymore especially after over a decade of stuff like call of duty and gta online. Btw at the time of this comment I’m only currently on the last contract of Kola Peninsula primarily because I took a huge break from snowrunner due to other games. but even with mods kola peninsula is still a difficult region and apparently Amur is even harder so how on earth do some people expect the newer players to put up with that amount of stress and difficulty without using mods. I even play games like warframe which are extremely grindy games and even then I think the runner games take it to far with the difficulty sometimes.
I think the amount of missions we have is SR need reduction & they have to be less repetitive like no 20x cargo on same route & same destination....That would make a lot of difference IMO. In old games I never use mods in vanilla maps but In SR I do try mods time to time because some missions felt too long & too repetitive.
@@SD1ONE (very long comment warning) Honestly snowrunner doesn’t feel that repetitive to me other than the some of the logging stuff. Some of the time trials/challenges and the excessive amount of tasks on certain regions like Kola Peninsula as one example. You can literally complete around 50% of kola peninsula by just doing tasks in the lake kovd area and I’m pretty sure there’s probably more tasks than there is contracts in that region. But for me it’s more to to do with the overall progression speed for example think about how easy it is to accidentally roll your vehicle because of one tiny mistake and then have to either spend a good amount of time rescuing that vehicle and cargo. Or getting back to that point after recovering the vehicle. Or how the devs decided that the maps shouldn’t make sense sometimes in terms of some of the routes they expect you to take. Also on Xbox most of the achievements are rare achievements (achievements that have a low percentage of being unlocked) because on average less than 5% of players have actually gotten past Michigan it seems and it makes sense when you consider that Michigan is just as difficult in some parts as Alaska and Taymyr are. The difference is you basically have nothing when you start in Michigan and without modded money or modded vehicles it’s very difficult to progress at first. So most players give up because they don’t want to spend a huge amount of time *trying* to do something instead of just *doing* it on their first or second try. (Disclaimer) Before someone probably reply’s with a comment about how thats the whole point of the game and all that type of stuff. I know why the game is the way it is sometimes and I am still playing it quite a lot. However I’m looking at it from the newer players perspective and how it’s very easy for the average gamer to look at games like snowrunner and think to themselves ooh that looks fun but then after they play it for a few hours. They end up hating the amount of time and effort it takes to do one simple task like the pickup truck rescue task near the garage in Michigan as an example. Personally I’m ok with putting a lot of time into a game but it gets extremely annoying when you have to double or even triple the time you spend on the game because of how easy it is to fail at certain things even with mods sometimes. It’s honestly annoying how a lot of game devs insist on making games so realistic sometimes that’s they forget it’s a video game not real life and while yes games like snowrunner need to be realistic. It’s going to far if it feels like I’d have an easier time doing to the real life job instead.
I really miss that cruise control function MR had. Along with how truck behaved when winched together. Set them up for cruising ,pushing engine off etc. 🤠👍
Nice to see the other side to balance out the fair criticisms of SR. Hopefully someday we'll get a game in this series that has the best of all worlds combined!
Well, I was assuming that these things are obvioius but judging from comments on my old videos...I realise that people assume that I don't know or ignore the improvements SR made...Some people simply called SR trash which is also not true...so that's why I made this video & there're many more things that SR did better but I mainly focused on main improvements IMO.
Don't understand why they can't implement a manual transmission in Snowrunner. All you gotta do is allot different top speeds to each gear. Don't even have to change the gear pattern (though a standard H pattern would be preferred). What's more boggling to me is that modders aren't doing it either? At least on console. The best we've got are the odd attempts using the Fine-Tune gearbox. Which is cumbersome at best. What I'd like to see -using the the Off-road gearbox, would be, L- = L L = 1st L+ = 2nd A = 3rd H = 4th It's simple, and faster than using the Fine-Tune. But either no one's thought to do it, or hasn't been able to do it. I'm not a modder; so I don't know the intricacies of it all, but if the various points on the Fine-Tune can be changed to higher speeds, and the Auto gear can be changed to not do anything, I'd assume what I'm thinking of is not outside the realm of possibility.
In pc i think i saw a secuencial transmisión mod, it is more simple yet. I dont make any prove too. Another good implementation could be more sensibility in the throttle and brakes
The braking in this game irks me, especially as a truck driver myself. Aside from the brakes being a little too good, it's really the "engine braking" that gets me. Mainly because of the sound effects, or lack thereof. Trucks don't get dead quiet just because you take your foot off the gas, and engine brakes and downshifting are sure as hell not quiet. It's a little detail that would go a long way for immersion if they had implemented it.
@@KoruptDawg yeah, i forgot tha the brakes sensibility could be modified, i play the Game with wheel setup and gearbox, so i can play a little bit more changin to neutral sometimes. The way that transmission was made is one of the worst thing the game has for me, aside form the sound loop, the ingame "clutchkick" sometimes saves some situations too. Sorry for my english xd
I had no idea you could delete cargo on the ground in SR. I've always hated when a spill happened or I brought in the wrong cargo and I had to just drop it somewhere and face my shame every time I drove past it later.
I like the improvement of low gear with adding low+ and low- in more advanced gearboxes. Low+ is my favorite mode because you can have almost same speed on offroad as in auto, but you can have diff lock. Using just low gear in older games with that terrible speed is awful. And also i don't like that in all franchise you are very limited at using low gear to pull heavy cargos easier (or on hills). Using low gear should convert the speed of wheel spin into torque that will help you in pulling, but in games it looks like just reducing wheelspins. Hope somebody will understand what I'm talking about with my bad English
I think the winch thing is straight up wrong. I don't quite remember if ST had it (I think it did), but MR 100% had an X you could click on any winch attachment to disconnecy. Autowinch is on all platforms too, not just console. Barriers were also in Spintires, however I did see a comment saying they were removed later which is odd. Probably around the time map DLCs came out as I had stopped playing. I honestly prefer most of the older features because of the seamlessness. I liked having more control over the crane, having less routes which made it easier to pick. I don't think I ever used max map markers, I only really placed them at intersections and corners. There's probably mods to change this all anyway.
I havent use controller much in MR but I tried every button & it only seems to quick connect that too with double pressing a button, There's no quick release in MR as far as I know, You've to release winch manually. I checked controller keybinds as well & its not mentioned there...Spintires on other hand is not 100% playable by controller, so quick winch is out of question.....BTW overall I also prefer old games, I also like SR but old games are better for me part of which is nostalgia.
Actually I've been playing MR from 2017 launch & I never get autowinch via keyboard....You sure your game isn't modded or something...Can you share a clip of autowinching with F on my discord
Personally snowrunner is just user friendly all around and mods/dlc was keeping it around while expeditions flopped and yes I HAVE bought and played snowrunner and IMO it's not the same I like the challange spintires and mudrunner gives you not to mention how it works and plays overall and sure you can tell me snowrunner is better in everyway but I wouldn't know because everyone I know also bought have of the dlcs with it.
I dont remember if original spintires hd that camera but There was similar crane cam for 2019-20 spintires and yes it was kind of hidden...only accesssible via camera change buttons which are 1,2,3...etc
@@SD1ONE Yes, they didn't separate the crane camera so you have to choose 3rd camera and when you open advanced controls and choose crane the camera automatically switches from 3rd to crane.
spintires & mudrunner feels more realistic IMO thats why i still don't play snowrunner the only thing i like in snowrunner is detailed truck damage , more missions and last graphics
Bcause of frame flex and the axle flex ? Its not supposed to bend like that, its more realistic how snowrunner did it. But i feel you, musrunner still nice
it's just not frame flex...whole physics of old games is more believable than SR.... none of these games are full 100% realistic and they don't need to be but it's the feel of realism that's more believable in old games. IMO
7:27 I think both offroad and fintune transmissions have such capability, just can't be that slow, and are forward only. 7:40 (I haven't played for over 1 year, so the latest version maybe different) But strange enough, you have to switch vehicle with repair points to repair. So if there is a trailer with repair function, like service trailer, utility trailer, but it isn't attached to any truck, you can't use it to repair. Because repairing requires switching to the vehicle with repair point, but it isn't attached to any truck, you can't switch to it, you can't use it. If memory is right, generator trailer is the same. So I always have a tanker truck with it. The tanker truck is to activate it, and provide fuel.
First point: Finetune actually don't make sence because the lowest speed you can acheive with it is same as offroad gearbox. Unless you use controller you can't acheive crawler speed & even with controller its not as slow as old games. In old games you can achieve crawler speed with keyboard mouse and whole low range acts as fine tune. Second Point: I never talked about repairing in my video, I only talked about refuling which I think is used much more often than repairing...Generator trailer now (after updates) doesn't need you to attach to it in order to refuel from it.
@@SD1ONE Yup, that's why I stay with offroad gearbox. It doesn't provide any big advantage over offroad, but is said to cost more fuel is easier to be damaged. I know you didn't talk about repair. It just remind me of it. For software coding wise, refueling and repairing should be similar mechanism. So if they made it for refueling, repairing shouldn't be a big problem. Generator trailer, but activate it still need a truck to attach it?
While I love both Mudrunner and Snowrunner (never played Spintires), the log crane was better in Mudrunner. Snowrunner's log crane just acts weird for me. Not a total pain but it's gets a bit annoying having to readjust the grabber's rotation every time I lower a log towards the bed/trailer... it likes to unalign itself during that action... Especially if long logs are involved. Call me crazy but that is my experience with Snowrunner's log crane. The rotation is also not as smooth as in Mudrunner IMO. And I wish Snowrunner had the dot on the logs when loading plus the guide line for the grabber so you can find the middle of the log for a balanced lift. Finally there is no lights for the log crane to be turned on for easy work in the dark unlike the the regular crane.
I am not talking about crane mechanics here...sure old games have better more stronger crane as I mentioned in video but the controls like which key does what is comparitively better.
I get what you are saying. I should have have mention that I played both games on console but I got Mudrunner for pc as well since the console version lacks mods. I did found myself pressing the wrong keys at times when using the log crane. Press this one to grab log... only for me to see that I undid my anchors.
Just completely off the topic- Did you delete a video about the 1st SR season- Kola? I wanted to send it to a friend who is not sure if he should buiy it, but I couldnt find it on your channel, yet I remember that you had it there on 100%
I hope that the creators will appreciate the traditions of this series and the next installment of the title will be for true and demanding fans of this franchise. SnowRunner is ok, but with the tradition of this franchise it has gone in a different direction, e.g. BF 2042 compared to BF3 or BF4. And then you ask yourself: What went wrong?
I think devs of SR focus too much on monitizing the game...whole season pass system is made to get max. out of players pocket...If we want next game to be better then this season pass system need to go...that is just my opinion.
I don't know if you tried them with keyboard mouse but to me the controls like which key does what is bad for me...although yes I like the fact that they're stronger & more real looking than SR.
No wonder expeditions turned out to be even worse. It's funny how you claim these are improvements while many of those mechanics already just smell like pure arcade simplifications. Can't wait to have the next game in the series finally feel like Mario Kart. Look, if it were an option I'd call it an improvement - but especially things like the auto winch really show they are watering the IP down. Not interesting anymore to me personally as a simmer but ey, to each their own. Apparently easymode arcade sells better. That aside good effort on the comparisons. I guess some things are obvious and others are preference what we like / dislike. Just that I can't find much excitement in Snowrunner anymore, never had the thrill of getting stuck entirely or drowning in a giant river. Expeditions to me is a meme, cute artwork though.
Quick Winch in SR is a huge downgrade from Mudrunner for me. Been playing with friends for two days - both days I've been quick-winching trees and poles instead of a vehicles that I am looking directly at
Also the way you receive damage in snowrunner doesnt make any sense at all, in the old games a lot better. Altough the different parts is a good thing for sure
The severity of getting your vehicle damage was much higher in old games which was a good thing because that keeps players from trying unrealistic routes & cut corners but their are things which don't make sence like damaging your cargo bed or addons should'nt count as truck damage. Although I like the fact that in old games dents, etc on your vehicles go away when you repair it which I miss in SR.
I like the vibe in spintires and mudrunner way more.. its more dark and ugly. And i like the setting more .. ugly russian fits for game like this way more then america. But overall snowrunner makes everything better.
Finetune can't make you go any slower than normal offroad...that's a myth...You can go slower with controller but not with keyboard mouse...while old games let you do it with k&m also.
Sometimes your truck can be in position that you can't move it much as it may flip...In that case its cruicial how easy trailer attaching is & it could be annoying...Also In spintires you don't have winch on the trailer's hitch...so it makes it much more difficult to postion your truck according to trailer in some situations.
Simulation is one thing but the way game's control work is other...same things can be done in different way with different key binds while maintaining same functionality...Although some of the mention stuff might pass as being realistic like trailer attaching, etc but not all.
The learning curve was a lot more aggressive with Spintires/Mudrunner and it's something that Snowrunner leveled out and makes it easier to get into the game quickly. Overall I'm pretty happy with Snowrunner though I find myself often having to mod it in order to tweak the game to be more realistic in some respects but with VerZsuT's SnowRunner XML Editor it's a quick and mostly painless process to do so.
yes that xml editor is very good tool. I like control scheme of SR but physics of old games. wish we had both combine in next main entry of series.
Now THAT'S what I call music for a Snowrunner video. 👍
Very interesting video too.
This music has special place for this channel because it was used in first ever mudrunner video that I made. That video is what made me serious about UA-cam... before they it was casual video uploading on internet.
I found manual loading way more enjoyable in MudRunner.
Yes the menu was more clunky and complex, but it's the fact the cranes worked like... cranes. lol
Don't get me wrong I manual load and unload logs a lot in SnowRunner, especially with the Forester and doing medium log jobs. I'll put 4 loads of logs on a single truck, go to location 1, unload 3 loads, pack 1, complete. Reload the 3 loads I took off, to go location 2, unload 2 loads, pack 1, complete. Rinse and repeat.
But even though I've done it a lot, it's not enjoyable in SnowRunner like it was in MudRunner. Not only are the log cranes weak in SnowRunner, but the rotation on them is too damn fast and twitchy. It's very unenjoyable. Whereas in MudRunner I'd be one of the first guys at a log kiosk in online hoping somebody would come by so I could load them. The slower and smoother rotation speed + stronger grabber was so much more fun to use than SnowRunner's overly fast and twitchy rotation speed + weak grabber.
What we need is the menus of SnowRunner combined with how cranes worked in MudRunner.
yes the actual mechanics of crane were better in old games but wish they had a bit better control system... like a sensible key bind for log grabber.
Yes, MR crane controls are way more intuitive and simpler to use. Left stick controls crane movement on X and Y axes, right stick controls Z axis and grapple rotation. Very easy. Unlike SR, where you have to raise and lower the crane with LB/RB.
Mud Runner needs a Big remaster and overhaul and more Missions.
I think the licensing and ownership of the IPs is weird. Like i think focus owns the Spintires and Mudrunner IP but they didn't develop either of those games.
@zentran2690 focus owns MudRunner and SnowRunner but not Spintires, which was developed by Oovee. They have licensing and copyright disagreements between the two companies so that's why you see weird stuff between Spintires and the MR/SR franchise.
the way things are now... even if they make a MR remaster... they'll monitize it crazy like they did with SR
@@zentran2690 what is IP?
@@Greycat2017 intellectual properties
Finally a positive video about SR- Well done! ;)
I love SR that's why I make videos on it. I don't do many postive vids on SR because it's obvious that its most successful out of franchise, so Its better to make videos on shortcommings which might help devs to improve SR further making it even better than it already is.
@@SD1ONE yeah, makes sense, but it's still nice to make every now and then a positive video. Ofcourse, SR is not perfect and some critique is needed, but sometimes, I feel like you are a very nitpicky 😅. That said tho, you are making the best SR content in this way, so keep doing what you like! 👍
@@kexcz8276 agree with the nitpicky part.. sometimes it can be very troublesome to watch so many videos with "look how mudrunner did that better than snowrunner", with all the white knights behing yelling how sh*tty is snowrunner comparing to the previous games. To each is own but there is a time when one have to turn the page. And the great comparaison on physic between the games is a very debattable subject.. But of course this is my opinion. What I see on my side is less than 100 hours on mudrunner, and more than 1800 hours, still increasing, on Snowrunner.. go sue me (not you kexcz8276 of course, but some others could surely proceed) .
5:50 Fun Fact: that red barrier used to be in SpinTires as well but it got removed for some reasone.
Also I agree with all the things you listed except the one with the crane. For me being able to select individually the options on the supports was more fun. The crane controls in both SpinTires and MudRunner are way better.
The only thing I miss from the shifter in SnowRunner is the modelled gearshift you see. It looked better and gave you the feeling that you changed the greas on your truck.
You're right...I wasn't sure if red barrier was there in spintires but now when you pointed it out...I remember they were in OG spintires from 2014-16 but then in later updates they removed it...I don't know when....Crane controls IMO are confusing specially with keyboard mouse...Don't know about controller.
Great video. Yes, people these days tend to think "it was better before", but SnowRunner actually brought us a heap of QOL improvements, which are immediately noticeable when you start one of those old games. Another one you should've mentioned: the map! ST and MR maps are awful, they are very schematic and don't show you each individual object on the map, like SR does. Especially rocks or mountains are shown as just one big gray mess, you can barely see where the mountain starts and where it ends. Objects on the map are very schematic too - in ST, trucks and trailers were shown as plain rectangular bricks, MR added a schematic image of truck and trailer, but SnowRunner went further: each vehicle, each trailer has its unique landmark and can be distinguished from one another.
You mean the navigation map..Yes the mountains, rocks are better in SR but still I think some things were better shown in old games like the puddles, etc in route...for example In SR the paved road in Amur's NAI map is covered with ice & snow yet the map shows it like paved road...Also there can be a swampy mess on a dirt road & yet SR map shows it as normal dirt road....I still belive that instead of making SR the way it is, these QOL improvements could easily be transfered to older games with their excellent physics & that would be a better game than SR....what I mean to say that old games had potential to be a better game but if we judge things by what we have today then yes SR is better game overall.
@@SD1ONE The problem is the engine older games use would not be easily adaptable to new features. Its like trying to replace the foundation of a building when its already up, and it would cost more to add onto the building's foundation than to just make a new building.
Another thing to look at is how much you can add onto a game before you start affecting performence. The reason SP/MR have onlh the basics for everything is because anything more could start decreasing fps, and I think one thing a majority of people would agree on first is a game running smoothly over new features.
For attaching trailers in Snowrunner I find it easier to winch to the trailer first and then pull it up to the hitch then attach the trailer. I would also say that truck interiors are improved.
Winching trailers works in all games, although SpinTires didn't have winch points on the trailers' tongues.
Spintires also don't have side winch on some trucks which might be painful to flip them back to their wheels in case you tip them.
@@SD1ONE SR too
@@vladvulcan Yeah but they're very few in SR..I think Zizk 566A is one of them...but In ST it was like every second truck.
@@SD1ONE yes, Zikz 566A and the K-7M tractor.
3:25 after some updates, Spintires got a crane camera, its the same roof camera
I personally don't like that crane cam open by default in mudrunner...I actually prefer regular view crane
Nice video, agree on many points, but the quick winch, positioning the log trailers, and deleting trailers and cargo aren't improvements, it's what made the game a total arcade and removed the rest of the sim component.
Of course, I understand all this drills down to personal preferences and experience. I would say that the log crane in Spintires/MR was excellent, not only in terms of power, but controls are much more logical once you get a grip on them. And also, while on the subject of cranes - I think what these titles did better was non automatic leg extension. What I mean to say is you could extend legs down without extending them sideways and vice-versa. It was actually a good feature if you liked tipping the truck over 😂😂
If they change the physics in SR to be like ST and MR, everyone might forget about these two oldies
I don't think that physics could work with SR map design & vast mission structure....Old games did it because maps were more grounded & missions were simple logging based....Only way to impliment old physics in SR is to design it again from ground up...means next game. Hopefully.
(WARNING Very long comment that turns into a rant)
As someone that has only played snowrunner I can definitely say that while the previous games definitely seem good even by today’s standards.
The problem is that outside of the communities that play games like these the average person (especially on console) doesn’t know these games exist.
If you then consider the fact that the average skill level of modern gamers nowadays is below the necessary skill requirements to simply drive a vehicle without crashing or read simple instructions. Plus what games are currently the most popular. It makes sense that newer players are obviously going to pick snowrunner or even expeditions over mudrunner and spintires.
Because the average player and even some veteran gamers (as in 10-20 years of gaming experience) don’t want stress or excessive unnecessary difficulty anymore they either want fun or a steady amount progression that doesn’t make them feel like doing the same thing in real life would be easier.
Basically if a game is too realistic it means its probably not that fun a lot of the time because at that that point you might as well do it irl if you want the experience to be as realistic as possible.
Heck there’s even people that say they want gta 6 to be as realistic as BeamMG drive and while some realism is a good thing making a game so realistic that one crash would make your vehicle undrivable is basically like saying to people you want them to be constantly angry and constantly unable to progress.
That’s why personally I think that using OP mods in snowrunner is not a bad thing especially if your playing solo because I tried playing without mods for the entirety of Michigan and more than half of Alaska before I said @#£& it I’m using mods because this game is taking forever for me to progress especially with the amount of times i rolled my trucks or got them stuck and I’m not even bad at the game I think I’m actually above average to an extent atleast from what I’ve seen online it’s just I can’t deal with the stress of video games anymore especially after over a decade of stuff like call of duty and gta online.
Btw at the time of this comment I’m only currently on the last contract of Kola Peninsula primarily because I took a huge break from snowrunner due to other games. but even with mods kola peninsula is still a difficult region and apparently Amur is even harder so how on earth do some people expect the newer players to put up with that amount of stress and difficulty without using mods. I even play games like warframe which are extremely grindy games and even then I think the runner games take it to far with the difficulty sometimes.
I think the amount of missions we have is SR need reduction & they have to be less repetitive like no 20x cargo on same route & same destination....That would make a lot of difference IMO. In old games I never use mods in vanilla maps but In SR I do try mods time to time because some missions felt too long & too repetitive.
@@SD1ONE (very long comment warning)
Honestly snowrunner doesn’t feel that repetitive to me other than the some of the logging stuff. Some of the time trials/challenges and the excessive amount of tasks on certain regions like Kola Peninsula as one example. You can literally complete around 50% of kola peninsula by just doing tasks in the lake kovd area and I’m pretty sure there’s probably more tasks than there is contracts in that region.
But for me it’s more to to do with the overall progression speed for example think about how easy it is to accidentally roll your vehicle because of one tiny mistake and then have to either spend a good amount of time rescuing that vehicle and cargo.
Or getting back to that point after recovering the vehicle. Or how the devs decided that the maps shouldn’t make sense sometimes in terms of some of the routes they expect you to take.
Also on Xbox most of the achievements are rare achievements (achievements that have a low percentage of being unlocked) because on average less than 5% of players have actually gotten past Michigan it seems and it makes sense when you consider that Michigan is just as difficult in some parts as Alaska and Taymyr are. The difference is you basically have nothing when you start in Michigan and without modded money or modded vehicles it’s very difficult to progress at first.
So most players give up because they don’t want to spend a huge amount of time *trying* to do something instead of just *doing* it on their first or second try.
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Before someone probably reply’s with a comment about how thats the whole point of the game and all that type of stuff.
I know why the game is the way it is sometimes and I am still playing it quite a lot. However I’m looking at it from the newer players perspective and how it’s very easy for the average gamer to look at games like snowrunner and think to themselves ooh that looks fun but then after they play it for a few hours. They end up hating the amount of time and effort it takes to do one simple task like the pickup truck rescue task near the garage in Michigan as an example.
Personally I’m ok with putting a lot of time into a game but it gets extremely annoying when you have to double or even triple the time you spend on the game because of how easy it is to fail at certain things even with mods sometimes. It’s honestly annoying how a lot of game devs insist on making games so realistic sometimes that’s they forget it’s a video game not real life and while yes games like snowrunner need to be realistic. It’s going to far if it feels like I’d have an easier time doing to the real life job instead.
I really miss that cruise control function MR had.
Along with how truck behaved when winched together.
Set them up for cruising ,pushing engine off etc. 🤠👍
Nice to see the other side to balance out the fair criticisms of SR. Hopefully someday we'll get a game in this series that has the best of all worlds combined!
Well, I was assuming that these things are obvioius but judging from comments on my old videos...I realise that people assume that I don't know or ignore the improvements SR made...Some people simply called SR trash which is also not true...so that's why I made this video & there're many more things that SR did better but I mainly focused on main improvements IMO.
Don't understand why they can't implement a manual transmission in Snowrunner. All you gotta do is allot different top speeds to each gear. Don't even have to change the gear pattern (though a standard H pattern would be preferred). What's more boggling to me is that modders aren't doing it either? At least on console. The best we've got are the odd attempts using the Fine-Tune gearbox. Which is cumbersome at best.
What I'd like to see -using the the Off-road gearbox, would be,
L- = L
L = 1st
L+ = 2nd
A = 3rd
H = 4th
It's simple, and faster than using the Fine-Tune. But either no one's thought to do it, or hasn't been able to do it. I'm not a modder; so I don't know the intricacies of it all, but if the various points on the Fine-Tune can be changed to higher speeds, and the Auto gear can be changed to not do anything, I'd assume what I'm thinking of is not outside the realm of possibility.
In pc i think i saw a secuencial transmisión mod, it is more simple yet. I dont make any prove too. Another good implementation could be more sensibility in the throttle and brakes
The braking in this game irks me, especially as a truck driver myself. Aside from the brakes being a little too good, it's really the "engine braking" that gets me. Mainly because of the sound effects, or lack thereof. Trucks don't get dead quiet just because you take your foot off the gas, and engine brakes and downshifting are sure as hell not quiet. It's a little detail that would go a long way for immersion if they had implemented it.
@@KoruptDawg yeah, i forgot tha the brakes sensibility could be modified, i play the Game with wheel setup and gearbox, so i can play a little bit more changin to neutral sometimes. The way that transmission was made is one of the worst thing the game has for me, aside form the sound loop, the ingame "clutchkick" sometimes saves some situations too. Sorry for my english xd
I had no idea you could delete cargo on the ground in SR. I've always hated when a spill happened or I brought in the wrong cargo and I had to just drop it somewhere and face my shame every time I drove past it later.
I like the improvement of low gear with adding low+ and low- in more advanced gearboxes. Low+ is my favorite mode because you can have almost same speed on offroad as in auto, but you can have diff lock.
Using just low gear in older games with that terrible speed is awful.
And also i don't like that in all franchise you are very limited at using low gear to pull heavy cargos easier (or on hills). Using low gear should convert the speed of wheel spin into torque that will help you in pulling, but in games it looks like just reducing wheelspins.
Hope somebody will understand what I'm talking about with my bad English
Well, In old games you can have diff lock in high gear as well...I guess you can't beat that speed with low+ of SR.
auto winch works on PC keyboards too. I only play with mouse and keyboard and I use that feature all the time
I think the winch thing is straight up wrong. I don't quite remember if ST had it (I think it did), but MR 100% had an X you could click on any winch attachment to disconnecy. Autowinch is on all platforms too, not just console.
Barriers were also in Spintires, however I did see a comment saying they were removed later which is odd. Probably around the time map DLCs came out as I had stopped playing.
I honestly prefer most of the older features because of the seamlessness. I liked having more control over the crane, having less routes which made it easier to pick. I don't think I ever used max map markers, I only really placed them at intersections and corners.
There's probably mods to change this all anyway.
I havent use controller much in MR but I tried every button & it only seems to quick connect that too with double pressing a button, There's no quick release in MR as far as I know, You've to release winch manually. I checked controller keybinds as well & its not mentioned there...Spintires on other hand is not 100% playable by controller, so quick winch is out of question.....BTW overall I also prefer old games, I also like SR but old games are better for me part of which is nostalgia.
@@SD1ONE F button was always autowinch for me.
It never for me neither is there a keybing that says it...F is winch pull though
@SD1ONE Odd, you got yours through Steam, right? Maybe they removed it at some point, too.
Actually I've been playing MR from 2017 launch & I never get autowinch via keyboard....You sure your game isn't modded or something...Can you share a clip of autowinching with F on my discord
Personally snowrunner is just user friendly all around and mods/dlc was keeping it around while expeditions flopped and yes I HAVE bought and played snowrunner and IMO it's not the same I like the challange spintires and mudrunner gives you not to mention how it works and plays overall and sure you can tell me snowrunner is better in everyway but I wouldn't know because everyone I know also bought have of the dlcs with it.
About the first 5 aspects, I think was more realistic in the old games, and the gearshift was better. In the other thhing I totaly agreed
Mudrunner didn't added crane camera, it just improved the old spintires camera that was not only bad but even hidden from the players.
I dont remember if original spintires hd that camera but There was similar crane cam for 2019-20 spintires and yes it was kind of hidden...only accesssible via camera change buttons which are 1,2,3...etc
@@SD1ONE Yes, they didn't separate the crane camera so you have to choose 3rd camera and when you open advanced controls and choose crane the camera automatically switches from 3rd to crane.
@@SD1ONE Camera is static, can be zoomed only that's the problem.
spintires & mudrunner feels more realistic IMO thats why i still don't play snowrunner
the only thing i like in snowrunner is detailed truck damage , more missions and last graphics
so you prefer older games because of nostalgia
@@gonb3259 gameplay
Bcause of frame flex and the axle flex ?
Its not supposed to bend like that, its more realistic how snowrunner did it.
But i feel you, musrunner still nice
it's just not frame flex...whole physics of old games is more believable than SR.... none of these games are full 100% realistic and they don't need to be but it's the feel of realism that's more believable in old games. IMO
@@SD1ONE yeah kind of
I hope the next improvement would be tractor tracks
Not possible in current game engine, yes people have tried already and failed
2:39 You have the correct tank on that truck! Is that a mod? My truck has soviet attachements for some reason. They don't fit.
i preferred the lack of auto winch, i never use it in snowrunner unless i’m in a hurry
7:27 I think both offroad and fintune transmissions have such capability, just can't be that slow, and are forward only.
7:40 (I haven't played for over 1 year, so the latest version maybe different) But strange enough, you have to switch vehicle with repair points to repair. So if there is a trailer with repair function, like service trailer, utility trailer, but it isn't attached to any truck, you can't use it to repair. Because repairing requires switching to the vehicle with repair point, but it isn't attached to any truck, you can't switch to it, you can't use it. If memory is right, generator trailer is the same. So I always have a tanker truck with it. The tanker truck is to activate it, and provide fuel.
Finetune GB has the low range slider also for the reverse.
First point: Finetune actually don't make sence because the lowest speed you can acheive with it is same as offroad gearbox. Unless you use controller you can't acheive crawler speed & even with controller its not as slow as old games. In old games you can achieve crawler speed with keyboard mouse and whole low range acts as fine tune.
Second Point: I never talked about repairing in my video, I only talked about refuling which I think is used much more often than repairing...Generator trailer now (after updates) doesn't need you to attach to it in order to refuel from it.
@@SD1ONE Yup, that's why I stay with offroad gearbox. It doesn't provide any big advantage over offroad, but is said to cost more fuel is easier to be damaged.
I know you didn't talk about repair. It just remind me of it. For software coding wise, refueling and repairing should be similar mechanism. So if they made it for refueling, repairing shouldn't be a big problem.
Generator trailer, but activate it still need a truck to attach it?
While I love both Mudrunner and Snowrunner (never played Spintires), the log crane was better in Mudrunner. Snowrunner's log crane just acts weird for me. Not a total pain but it's gets a bit annoying having to readjust the grabber's rotation every time I lower a log towards the bed/trailer... it likes to unalign itself during that action... Especially if long logs are involved. Call me crazy but that is my experience with Snowrunner's log crane.
The rotation is also not as smooth as in Mudrunner IMO. And I wish Snowrunner had the dot on the logs when loading plus the guide line for the grabber so you can find the middle of the log for a balanced lift. Finally there is no lights for the log crane to be turned on for easy work in the dark unlike the the regular crane.
I am not talking about crane mechanics here...sure old games have better more stronger crane as I mentioned in video but the controls like which key does what is comparitively better.
I get what you are saying. I should have have mention that I played both games on console but I got Mudrunner for pc as well since the console version lacks mods. I did found myself pressing the wrong keys at times when using the log crane. Press this one to grab log... only for me to see that I undid my anchors.
Bro, why on SnowRunner you use low quality of water? The FPS number is not so high I tested!
Sorry if I was a bit rude!😅
Actually i like the way was done in Spintires!!!
WAGWANNNN
Just completely off the topic- Did you delete a video about the 1st SR season- Kola? I wanted to send it to a friend who is not sure if he should buiy it, but I couldnt find it on your channel, yet I remember that you had it there on 100%
yeah, I never made video on first season...those vids started from season 2 onwards...although I do rank seasons 1-8 in seperate video.
want to ask about co cop issues cant join more than 2 players..do they fix it after update on season 13..thanx for reply..
I hope that the creators will appreciate the traditions of this series and the next installment of the title will be for true and demanding fans of this franchise. SnowRunner is ok, but with the tradition of this franchise it has gone in a different direction, e.g. BF 2042 compared to BF3 or BF4. And then you ask yourself: What went wrong?
I think devs of SR focus too much on monitizing the game...whole season pass system is made to get max. out of players pocket...If we want next game to be better then this season pass system need to go...that is just my opinion.
When has oldschool been easy
snowrunner made it easier, yeah, but the soul of the previous games is gone imo, but that is probably because of the other less realistic aspects
imo the cranes are way better in the old games, they are stronger and I get a lot more control over what the crane is doing
I don't know if you tried them with keyboard mouse but to me the controls like which key does what is bad for me...although yes I like the fact that they're stronger & more real looking than SR.
@@SD1ONE I rhink I used the cranes so much that I just know every key so that is not a problem anymore.
No wonder expeditions turned out to be even worse. It's funny how you claim these are improvements while many of those mechanics already just smell like pure arcade simplifications.
Can't wait to have the next game in the series finally feel like Mario Kart.
Look, if it were an option I'd call it an improvement - but especially things like the auto winch really show they are watering the IP down. Not interesting anymore to me personally as a simmer but ey, to each their own. Apparently easymode arcade sells better.
That aside good effort on the comparisons. I guess some things are obvious and others are preference what we like / dislike. Just that I can't find much excitement in Snowrunner anymore, never had the thrill of getting stuck entirely or drowning in a giant river. Expeditions to me is a meme, cute artwork though.
Quick Winch in SR is a huge downgrade from Mudrunner for me. Been playing with friends for two days - both days I've been quick-winching trees and poles instead of a vehicles that I am looking directly at
what about expedition?
at least you recognize that there is a little better in snowrunner, it's a miracle. No let's start snowrunner bashing again eh ?
Also the way you receive damage in snowrunner doesnt make any sense at all, in the old games a lot better. Altough the different parts is a good thing for sure
The severity of getting your vehicle damage was much higher in old games which was a good thing because that keeps players from trying unrealistic routes & cut corners but their are things which don't make sence like damaging your cargo bed or addons should'nt count as truck damage. Although I like the fact that in old games dents, etc on your vehicles go away when you repair it which I miss in SR.
@@SD1ONE yup thats true and pretty much how it is
I’ve solved the high gear issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😆
First thing was better, more like simulation.
yes, It might be realistic but at some point it becomes annoying..I mean you're there to play the game not wasting your time attaching trailers
I like the vibe in spintires and mudrunner way more.. its more dark and ugly. And i like the setting more .. ugly russian fits for game like this way more then america. But overall snowrunner makes everything better.
On the vibe part, I agree...I won't say it was ugly but depressing and just like you say it fits the trucks
@@SD1ONE yes
I wish i could play the spintires chinese dlc..
i still play spintires 030316 version
try newer version as well...it's more challenging kind of have this new feel.
you are right, master.The other thing，did Snorkel have any different in snowrunner,like ck1500's Tall Mushroom & Tall Front Facing,❤@SD1ONE
@@pritttab1914 A taller snorkel is generally better.
@@SD1ONEanyway,but thanks,not a perfect answer.❤World of SPINTIRES,trucks roll out
You can get the super slow crawling speed in snowrunner aswell, but only on the vehicles that support the fine tune gearbox
Finetune can't make you go any slower than normal offroad...that's a myth...You can go slower with controller but not with keyboard mouse...while old games let you do it with k&m also.
I only saw the one about attaching trailers, but that is deninitely just a skill issue. Its not the games fault you dont know physics
Sometimes your truck can be in position that you can't move it much as it may flip...In that case its cruicial how easy trailer attaching is & it could be annoying...Also In spintires you don't have winch on the trailer's hitch...so it makes it much more difficult to postion your truck according to trailer in some situations.
I heave alot of information spintires and mudrun but nobody need i started 8 years ago
What your graphic mudrunner?
Atdega mod...already made video on it.
@@SD1ONE and can you still play multiplayer with that Atdega mod installed? or you have to deinstall it to be able to play multiplayer?
@@diprosla592 I think you do but I haven't tested it myself.
I thought it was supposed to be a simulation of what things were like but no that’s to hard well that’s the point of a simulation
Simulation is one thing but the way game's control work is other...same things can be done in different way with different key binds while maintaining same functionality...Although some of the mention stuff might pass as being realistic like trailer attaching, etc but not all.
But still there's no compass in snowrunner 😕
Yeah, they totally moved on to route based system...you can have little compass in map view but what's the point when you already opened the map.
i like potatos
Can you gift me snow runner?
Bros not gifting you snowrunner
get a job
ask your mom
@@gonb3259 can you give me a job?