Indian 2 Movie Review By Baradwaj Rangan | Kamal Haasan | Siddharth | Shankar | Anirudh
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Indian 2 Movie Review By Baradwaj Rangan | Kamal Haasan | Siddharth | Shankar | Anirudh
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Cant believe Shankar cant even deliver 1 interesting scene. Not even 1 😞
calendar song was something
Factu factu👍👍👍
No man, he did, not 1 but 2! The title card, and the end credits
His main writer Who wrote His earlier movies “Sujatha” is no more iam not saying Sujatha is everything for Shankar but he was Shankar’s better half in films
@@adike5 Is shankar directing MTV music videos for his own movies
I felt like Shankar did not give enough credits to Sujatha in Baddy’s interview. After his passing, Shankar’s movie has been nothing but disappointing. It’s high time Shankar realised he needs help with script writing. 😓
Adhaan Game Changer ku KS irukaare💪💪
Yes you are correct. A director cannot be a good story writer for many films as it requires a special creativity. Balachander made so many hit movies because of his backbone writer Ananthu. Likewise Shankar's backbone was the writer Sujatha. After their demise you can visibly see the quality less stories. They fill it up with CGI, BGM's and Romance.
@@Sportscurator03actually the plot outline is from KS but the script is written by Shankar himself. KS himself said he's waiting to see what Shankar does with the script.
I felt he lost his touch in anniyan
@@ImAbhishek_47 oh, i didn't know this
It's sad that shankar sir who inspired many modern filmmakers has lost his touch
Bring Late Sujatha back from heaven
Everything and everyone has a use by date
What he lost is writer S. Rangarajan aka Sujatha(pen name).. and there is no other good writer he is associating with for whatever reasons
For this movie this is enough 😅@@svr-789
Shankar never had any good script or creativity. He was surviving only because of the great writer Sujatha sir. After he has gone, you see all his movies are below average.
Baffled to see the amount of cringe in those killing scenes, villains turning into woman, horse, dying of saliva coming out and die out dehydration, never expected such nonsense from Shankar, looks like he's interested more in making those murders interesting
The ZERO TOLERANCE point was good, but the execution was terrible
And TBH, movie about Indian, all Senapathy portions looked out of place, only other were fine
You go and Direct a movie
@@avinashkumaras4736 you go and watch cringe
After enthiran, shankar has lost his touch.might be didn't get the writter like Sujatha.. even in making he has stuck to old ...we expect shankar to do movie with high quality in storytelling, making and execution..i feel people working along with Shankar gets pressurized of his vision, like anirudh, ravi varman or the other technical team..i think shankar has to revisit his making style
Well said , I and 2.0 didn't work for me , so was waiting to hear from people what Indian 2 is like before going to the theatre , majority of what I hear is the same, below average movie ....
Vikram's I was good though. It went downhill after that
@@HarishG-ik1kgpaid 25$ to watch the movie it’s not even below avg it’s disaster not sure what happened to Shankar sir dint expect a movie this bad from him
XX double X
Sujatha is badly missed.@@HarishG-ik1kg
This is not Indian. This is Dravidian. We were laughing from the time red giant hoardings came after corruption kills. Entire theatre erupted
So 4 plus minute reviews are not only for good movies..no more decoding from review length
Spot on!
😂
It is Shankar+KH goodwill that BR has given a proper 8 min review for this dud
As a north indian.. I had to travel 35 kms to watch this movie as the shows in my town got cancelled due to low occupancy. It's really heartbreaking for me.. that the movie of my childhood hero director couldn't even entertain me.. the shivaji references also couldn't excite me.. I'm really hurt 😔
❤️ 💔
Feel sorry for u. Shud have waited for some reviews before making that travel
Lucky man. You saved money, and you got some peace of mind.
😭😭😭REST IN PEACE THE LEGEND ⚰️ s.shankar
After watching trailer also, if you did this all this the joke is on you brother!
'Takes on corrupt Gujarati businessman' ? 😂😂😂 Sounds hilarious in the political context.
yeah as if TN businessmen are fair😀
I am now even more scared for indian 3
indian 3? what about game changer?
@@Casualgamer_playsgame changer still has Kartik Subbaraj as the writer. Plus Indian 2/3 had been in development hell for an year or so, so this was expected.
4 long years! @@monudesai1132
Indian 3 trailer is the only thing I liked in theatre
Indian 2 and 3 were under development at the same time??
I just came out of the theatre. I feel sorry for Shankar. I strongly believe that something went wrong here badly. This is not his way of storytelling at all. The cause could have been the unexpected incident, political party involvement, covid delays and production pressures, etc. subsequently, these factors reflected in the movie.
No emotional intelligence
Disappointing Storytelling
Establishing the established story is draggy
Too much spoon feeding
Weak characterisations
Deplorable dialogues
Avoidable songs
Average VFX
Crummy colour grading
Below par B Roll shots
Sadly, the core message of the movie was diluted in the chaos.
Strength to the team and more strength to the audience.
Ever since the movie 'I', all his movies have gone into the drain to be honest. He seems to have lost that gripping screenplay and creativity in recent years that he was known for. 'I' was borderline decent, then came 2.0 which was totally rubbish and now this! Shankar please retire
@@vikrambhaskar79762.O was better than i.....
@@vikrambhaskar7976 Kinda agree with you on screenplay but not with the retirement statement. We all fall and rise, quitting is not a solution.
I love his ideas and grandeur thoughts but they all go in vain due to weak story.
Make a strong story and then infuse it with grandeur visual effects, not vice versa.
What is the need of the hour of Indian thatha? What’s his motive?
Does the story increase the anticipation of thatha appearance? How can we say it in a cinematic way? If we have answers for these questions then this movie would have been better.
Beautiful thing about cinema is
Even lies are beautiful when you say them with conviction. Even truth loses its sovereignty when it’s plotless.
As the viral lyric "Thatha varaaru, kadhara vida poraaru" stated, BR sir unamileye kadharirukaaru pola.
A film became an trailer for next part 😅
This part itself is crap . Why to think of next part
But that's true for Kalki as well. An incomplete film.
@@amusingwordplay7298 yeah but an incomplete film earned 900+ crores....
@@krackr6618 😂😂 so Kalki is quality film right....gawd these clowns are everywhere
@@IamGroot87 again numbers speak for it self. calling people clown who do not agree with you, that is a little dck attitude.
The fact is that Sujata Sir was the backbone of Shankar during all this films until before Nanban.. His unfortunate demise started showing the holes in Shankar's storytelling and consequently, his movies... ... Not to take away anything from Shankar for his success.. The technical prowess, his visionary themes, etc are all thanks to Shankar indeed.. But to bring them to the big screen in a coherent and unbridled way, was Sujata Sir all along.... And now, that absence can be Felt....
everyone only speculated when I, and 2.0 flopped at the box office, But now it is confirmed that's the reason.. Being the technical mastermind that he is, he should search within himself and bring try to bring it that creative aspect within himself to shine once again...
stop giving his old movies success to sujatha.He was just a dialouge writer
@@sakethsenapathi8323 lol yet that's when his movies were good
@@sakethsenapathi8323 if you know anything about movie making, you'll know how how important Sujata Sir was to shankar's film making... Just calling him a dialogue writer is a disservice to him
@@NemysisPrime ok but can u say how sujatha sir helped in screenplay like can u give me an example that happend changed the scene entirely taking out shankars direction
@@NemysisPrime he also wrote for maniratnam movies
Its shamefully and sadly one of the worst movies of 2024.
I feel so sad of Shankar as he inspired many filmmakers especially Atlee, Gadar 2 etc.
Even the actions are so cringy, cheesy and too goofy.
Can't believe this is Shankar's film.
SPOOF PARODY of original Indian.
All issues of this film could have been solved with technical readjustments. I'm done with Anirudh's bgm, don't care about his crazy fan following. He hasn't let a single scene maintain a consistent mood. Background score is for the subconscious, not for what's in front of your eyes. Also, others following the Shankar-style filmmaking is fine but Shankar shouldn't make movies like his assistants. We can excuse other directors but not the ones who redifined cinema for us, nit masters. EXECUTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.
Definitely writing issues.. after Sujatha sir
super observation on Ani music. he ensured all the scenes were worse
Late Sujatha Sir had always filled the gaps of stories with his thought provoking dialouges nd uncredited writeups, on right time !!! But that's just a memory now!!! Shanker Sir should update his styles 2 suit the mordern India!!! I mean yes I know the story of Indian 2 had written in 2017 but many much have happened after that !!! Scripts need 2 be erased or rewritten, only if the movie should connect with the present audiences !!! But attempts can make course corrections if necessary!!! But still I'll watch Indian 2, 4 the final, Indian 3!!!
Naan Avan Illa-2, Billa-2, Singam-3, Pizza-2, KO-2,VIP-2, Sandakozhi-2, Maari-2, Charlie Chapin-2, Kalavani-2, Chitram Pesuthadi-2, Darling-2, Viswaroopam-2, Saamy-2, 2.0,Nadodigal-2, Chandramuki-2 and now Indian-2
Pizza-2 was good
Aranmanai 2,3,4
@@paneerselvam7312nah it was crap
Man singam 2 was below avg too
Singam 3 is a really good movie.
Shankar should take voluntary retirement from cinemas so that audience mental health is saved 😂😂
Exactly 😂
Spoiling his old films making unnecessary sequels
Avalo scene-lam illa
😂😂like James Cameron
If you want to watch watch or get lost why should he take retirement.
@@user-rz8fz3qg3b useless that's why he has to retire
I say the same thing when watching "I". Many scenes in 2nd half are very repetitive. I just want to go home.
I was great imo
@@Mukesh_2332nope
True...
After seeing the Indian 2 trailer I was scared about the content of the movie. My guess was right. The film may be worth only on OTT at my relative's / friend's TV.
PRE RELEASE:
Baddie: Shankar Sir, are you a dual personality?
Shankar: Yes, everybody is.
Baddie: With his taciturn, poker face...nods.
POST RELEASE:
Shankar (Calls): Are you a dual personality?
Baddie: Why Sir?
Shankar: நேருல வந்து பாத்து பேசும் பொழுது நீங்க இந்தியன் 2 பத்தி ஆஹா ஓஹோ என்று கேள்வி கேட்டுட்டு, இப்போ ரிலீசுக்கு அப்புறம் நீங்க கழுவி ஊத்ரத பாத்த அந்த dual personality உங்ககுள்ளயும் இருக்கிறான் என்று தோன்றுகிறது 😊😊😊😊
#ComebackSHANKAR
I feel bad for SJ SURYAH, he was under utilized in the movie - I really dont like the way he was presented, with no proper character development. DID HE PLAY like a cameo role or something? I EXPECTED ALOT - SHANKAR REALLY WASTED THAT BIG HOUSE SET FOR SJ SURYAH - JUST FOR FEW SHOTS...GOODNESS - and SJ SURYAH said in interview...that one house set cost around 8 crores...damn..........SO MANY ILLOGICAL SCENES for the INDIAN THATHA, OKAY THEY TRY TO MAKE IT UP LIKE OH THERE WAS A GRANDMASTER IN CHINA.....he was 100 plus years old and he was so disciplined in everything and can do the martial arts.....
but that scene of UNICYCLE chase scene and that VIKRAM MOVIE "I" look alike fight scene - where the fighters really took out the shirts just to flex...bruhhh who will do that, just finish the fight - god how did they even shoot this kind of scenes....INDIAN 1 was a success back then for the realistic classic filmmaking style with amazing ar rahman mysterious bgm....it brings us the curiosity and interest to watch more varma kalai executions......THIS ANIRUDH, WHAT A WORST WORK EVER.....he did this worst bgm like SENAAAA SENAAAAA and then one kind of jingles - that repeating that COMEBACK INDIAN TUNE....bloody hell, these people earning crores of indian rupees but working so badly.
SJ surya is the main villian in indian 3.
Dude you're feeling bad that s.j.surya has been wasted in this movie while the legend Kamal Hassan himself has been wasted in this movie 🤦🏻😅😅
@@kajamoiddeen thats true bro haha
The saddest part is , Other than spreading hatred , No one understand the core of this movie, feel pity for them all. The director has mocked the fans especially 2k kids bringing the iconic Indian thatha character behave like a sadist or psychopath who enjoys his killings under the tag Zero Tolerance . We people are not even aware of the fact we are being mocked , because we as a common man got immune to Corruption and live with greed . No matter how many movie comes about corruption . There will be no self discipline in us.
Curious to know what you thought of using CGI to resurrect Vivek for the role. I feel as if we are in an ethically grey area and the whole thing felt icky to me
As always BR delivers it to point & outlines what exactly to expect. A colossal dissapointment is how Shankar yet again seems to throw it away. Here he has a wonderful producer, a great opportunity, a wonderful story that could have been milked to throw appropriate questions but alas what we get is what could have been....
looks like a messy everything everywhere all at once bombarding us... oooff..
The best spiritual sequels to Indian are Anniyan/Aparachit and Atlee's Jawan and to an extent most Mahesh Babu movies. What was the purpose of this remake?
most mahesh movies. seriously . you mean his shit movies from 2015-16 onwards? . that's like 3-4 of his entire filmography
Lol just 3-4 Mahesh Babu movies.... His filmography is quite varied and interesting, at least his first 15-20 films
But at least 475 movies must have been in the last 28 years since Indian in all Indian industries combined which dealt with the same predictable, routine and done to death.... Vigilante hero who goes against corruption....
Sone Hindi films like Bhavesh Joshi superhero were at least with a breath of fresh air....
Bhavesh Joshi stands apart from the comparison which is more graphic novel style vigilante movie rather than the Masala movies listed. @@050138
I really feel this is not the original script for Indian, I mean the movie commenced on 2017 was shelved due to some untimely human error, was once again revived, and everyone knows who revived this( சிவப்பு ராட்சதர்கள்)
I feel them reviving is the sole reason for the movie coming out has a complete shti show.
Definitely shankar would have compromised in many parts just to please and stay away from controversy by oodhay naa.
I think instead of bringing back senapathy they should’ve brought back his son as the new Indian thatha. That would’ve been a better plot than trying to make us believe that he’s the same person and he’s aging but aging fine doing all these unbelievable stunts. This is very pathetic explanation.
Absolute Disaster for the Indian franchise .😢..they destroyed Indian 1 thatha ....they could have just had the old slow Indian 1 thatha getup..it would have been a hit ...they made changes to his make up and made him modern ripped old man...just lost the authenticity of that Indian thatha ....complete disaster..no frame worked in the movie
The last line about movies making money in uncertain climate is the reason why this feels like a half baked product!
How did they even come up with this idea???? This should be a case study 😅
Indian 1 - cinema lovers kondadiya vettri 🎉💯🔥💥
Indian 2 -kudumbangal kondadum vettri 🥲🙏
Indian 3 - Aliens kondadum vettri
Oru mayirum kondaada maattaanga.
@@ganesankrishnaraj1948apa sethu poiru
One of the reasons why A R Rahman didn't do this movie.......as he has experienced with 2.0.......... had he done the music, that would have been the only strong point of the movie......he knew this was not a purposeful sequel.........well done, wise decision Rahman.
Shankar seems to be unable to focus on storytelling with big budget (techno) movies, unlike his earlier small-medium budget that only needed direction and story focus for most part.
I went to the movie without watching any reviews and expectations..I liked the movie. It makes you think!! #comebackindian vs # gobackindian... tevai patta venum, nambeleke bathippena venam...
The chase and the climax are just outrageous. Felt extremely disappointed to habe watched a movie of this quality from Shankar and Kamal.
I feel shankar staying local will best help shankar. I feel to Carter all region audience something get missed. I love Shankar sir movies but i feel should do non vigalanti movie
Time for Shankar to unlearn and relearn ! He will come back strong
It's a Tamil movie, what do you expect
The movie feels like watching a vijay movies.
Relavant ideas, lost in writing and execution
Mayiru idea
What relevant idea? Same vigilante nonsense since 30 years....
If indian 3 had an actual story line, indian 2 should have been just relevant scenes from 2 and 3 edited and put together as one movie. Just because the movie was shot for more than a few years doesn't mean it should be released as 2 parts. It seems like a desperate effort to sell a very expensive film.
Hmm that's an honest review man... Very happy that this was not again a marketing for the flim.. good. I Appreciate the honesty..
Only if you have 100% tolerance you can watch this film, the screenplay is very cliche, and at many places the movie is boring or gives us a cringe feeling, that too many scenes are too long which tests your patience, Goundamani Sir comedy, ARR music are a big miss, acting also there is no big scope for Kamal Sir
Very good analysis. It doesn't look like spreading negativity like other reviewers.
Seems like this part is directed by Aditi Shankar.
Mr Rangan , when you reviewed lal salaam , you said good intentions alone are not enough to make a film. But here you have said , there is a strong premise. I was not able to find any premise first of all , let alone it being strong. Only the political ambitions of a selfish actor and politician was visible.
Lal salaam was much much better than this crap film.
Brutal review. Bluesattai in English :D .
What is corruption?
Shankar: Corruption is when someone neglects their responsibilities and fails to fulfill their duties.
Audience: Indian 2 movie isn't good, so is Shankar corrupt?
😂 he "attempted_ though so no... Also overdone every thing
They should have not splited this movie into 2 parts. They could have merge part 2&3 as a single crisp movie indian 2 .
Shankar please watch Maharaja extra ordinary script
Personally, Indian 2 never evoked any hype or interest for me, be it teaser, trailer, songs. Everything was mid. And seeing how Siddharth and SJ Suriya were hyping up this movie like anything was such a crime.
Created by Shankar in 1996, The Iconic Indian Thatha Character we all have been celebrating has been made a big mockery by the director himself! I'd like to know if the Director got stressed about meeting the expectations of the current trend 2k audience. Indian Thatha is our nation's Superhero! A Master in VarmaKalai.
Shankar blamed arr for 2.0 failure but who he is gonna blame this time . I really don't know how did they thought these kind of movies will work with today's audiance .
ARR did mention in a interview "Shankar feels 2.0 music little too experimental for the movie" one of the reason not music alone.
when did he blame arr
no he didn't. he didnt tell anywhere like this..must be rumours
movie with no blood no uncomfortable scenes commercial movie to watch with family has more Varma
Mr Rangan needs to be applauded to call out the fact that irs simply a money making ploy with NO respect to audience intelligence.
It is Sad that this level of scam tactics to market a bad film is most rampant in Tamil cinema.
People really should avoid first day shows in Tamil
Shankar seriously needs to take a break. He has to realise that the idea of his vigilante needs to change. The second half was slightly better with Siddarth"s emotional scenes
There are millions who still like Shankar as they still consider him to be one of the few film makers in the industry with a social conscience. All the naysayers in all probability will also be watching his next film and repeating the same trite they are accusing him of.
The treatment looked very low-budget. On top of that it seems like the team forgot to refine the content to suit mature audiences. I really thought SJ Suryah’s character would be the main villain and would have a greater face-off with Senapathy. The movie seemed drawn out with many scenes dragging and ends very abruptly. Honestly feels like that rushed with this one to make the third film.
probably Shankars worst movie - how can they spoil such an opportunity?? Did they take permission from AR Rahman to use his great BGM in parts? They made a caricature out of the whole Senupathy character. Songs were a waste .. cut them out and stick to a 3.5 hr or even 4 hr solid movie not part 2 & 3
Shankar making film about corruption with Kamalahaasan in the lead (Kamalahaasan who is a close ally of DMK)...... Doesn't cut ice with the audience....... Audience can feel the duplicity......
It ia time both Shankar and Kamal retires. Past performance is not a guarantee for future. Sujatha missing ia very visible. Sujatha, iam sure would have given lot of practical advice to Sankar and Kamal. Movie actors and directors have freedom to try out lot of non sense. But it should not be at our expense.
Kamal has already said in the interview he wouldn't have done this if not for the next bad. That's how bad this is.
Testing tolerance
Before someone ruins his old marvels, shankar took it into his own hands!
and failed miserably. If his assistants atlee or karthick subburaj took it, it would have been much better
Shankar has proven that was truly SA chandrasekhars assistant once. 😅
I couldn't even sit through the review....can imagine the 3 hr ordeal
Thank you shankar sir. Love you more
Sankar sir pls stop making cliche shots and scenes. Nobody looks interested in acting even Kamal. Worst the lip sync was horrible horrible horrible. Pls make a movie that makes u sit in theatre not ready to run away. This is not as worse as I but worser than boys.
Know what's missing this time? ARR's music, good script, good story, good screenplay and FINALLY good direction. Apart from these issues, the movie is perfect! A small request to Shankar. Don't release Indian 3 Please , with a capital P !
Missing Sujatha... This one worst among Shankar's filmography..huge disappointment to KH fans
Nothing new. Outdated music and script.. Worst movie.. Blue sattai maran will destroy indian thatha for sure..
Did anyone notice All actors, actress, director and music director belongs to same caste..
How 🤔
Just biriyani given in the morning afternoon and dinner. How do you feel? That’s how it is with Anirudh music now. Just take a break. It’s actually good but overdone or feeling monotonous
This is review for pan India audience if you want tamil watch galatta tamil
He put it very subtly but its bad pro max !!
Without Sujatha, shankar is void
Indian 2 is never necessary. Don’t know why they are planning third part?
Vadapathi Vijay Kaka Vijay wig Vijay
Everyone is blaming Shankar, but I wonder how much of interference was there from the producer and hero to spread a specific narrative. Did that mess up the movie and screenplay. Mr. Rangan, your thoughts?
Zero Tolerance to Rubbish Movie
It looked bad from the Trailer itself
If Shankar is nothing without Sujatha, then how did he think that he can pull it off
audience Expected Indian 2 ,but what shankar given is senapathy, its 2 different things ,INDIAN is about ideology its not about senapathy ,they should keep senapathy as just role model and move forward and bringing in new character or bring chandru back to live would be more interesting
What else would you expect from a project where the director was forced to complete the project by court order. Shankar seemed so sad in the promotions. Shankar’s failure is attempting to create a sequel to an over exhausted subject. But the irony is Lyca which is under investigation for corruption and their closed ties to Rajapkasa produces a movie preaching about ‘corruption’ 😂
As a line this is solid ..got carried away .. hope there is something interested is saved for part 3.
Review accepted 🎉
There are two parts... if the second part clicks...then all this negative comes postive
Dei how this movie can become positive ?? In which way ??
புழுகாதப்பா பொராட்டிருவானுக 😂 ₹200 சுவாஷா...
Shankar made spoof of his own movie
I might be delayed but I guess BR got swept away in the moment and rushed to judge a wonderful film that exposes the hypocrisy of ordinary folks in this movie. We the spectators want our heroes to bash the villains, plunge their aged belt knife in front of a live TV audience in a air conditioned Temple Tower TV Station, we watch it from everywhere and cheer it from everywhere. But when the same "hero" asks us, the public, to be part of the quest to clean up, we revolt, the same folks who sung to welcome him, hold signs of "Go back" (insert anyone hero's name here) Shankar and his team of writers and Kamal exposes this very well in this movie (except I don't like the rumors about their producers). No wonder the so called "critics" including BR, wrote the movie down. But to me, it was brilliant. The movie lists all the major scams since the Indian 1 and details all of it. I wish more TN scams were shown as well but Shankar cleverly put it as - we are crossing in to Pan India - to escape the criticism of not showing those. To me, this movie was too short and ended abruptly. Cannot wait to see the Indian 3, which I will hope will answer all those questions posed but will also cover up the scams in a good way.
This film was shot 4 years ago... something is not upto the mark.. but this is not an outright disaster...
"He's the greatest man we know, even he is lost" applies very well to Director Shankar 😶
when was he ever the greatest man? It was because of writer Sujatha sir he gave some 1 or 2 hits
@@abinaya.23 Shankar has his SCREENPLAY STYLE
@@eaglemgtow2789 after Sujatha, which movie had a great screenplay?! Enthiran was written when sujatha sir was alive. do you call screenplay of I and 2.0 as good ones? Am sorry. "I" was so amateurish.
The premise was set solidly but afterwards it was a hot mess 😅
Anirudh noiusic ?
I started having silent laughing fits in the second half of the movie - only to realize my coping mechanism had kicked in. My body was like “We need to find a way to trick him into sitting longer. Get him to believe this is all a big joke played on him.”
What the heck was that? 3 hours!!! 😒 Why did they release this crap? To stain their names with a record-breaking-shitty-movie?
Expected!
Please watch Teenz and give your review,
Imagine instead of Kamal Hassan as Indian Thatha, someone else acted, then this movie will be greatest parody movie of the great thatha. I cant help but think, what if MS Baskar acted as Indian thatha, this movie need not change one line of script to become a comedy parody.
The drama didn't work for me sir but the cinematic experience was so great, Ravi varman best work 🎉 dialogues were good