Lea Thompson: "Can any manufacturer say: 'Well it's tougher to design a truck to pass this test, than it is for a car.'" Brian O'Neill: "Well, they can say that, but it's obviously not true, because Toyota's figured out how to do it, and I don't think Toyota has a monopoly on good crash engineers." *mic drop* The IIHS hasn't seen a savagery level this high since Brian retired. He was truly the best at publicly embarrassing automakers who just wanted to give excuse after excuse as to why they couldn't make safer cars, until they just gave in and did it.
Yeah the iihs still does good work but they are toothless compared to what they used to be. Good rated headlights are still not standard on cars and they have been testing headlights for 7 years
@@hondajohn6948 IMO, while good rated headlights are important for night time visibility, and necessary for a top IIHS rating, they are ultimately not as important as crash protection or crash avoidance systems. I do not disagree that they are good to have, but even the lower rated headlights are still better than the "fireflies in jam jars" (as Jeremy Clarkson once compared headlights to) we had 20-30 years ago that couldn't project more than 10 feet in front of you. Also keep in mind that all these advancements that keep getting added into new cars is the reason the average new vehicle price is now $45,000.
@@carsandcrashtests new car prices are consistent with inflation and are not more expensive to consumers than they were in the past. I purchased a 2001 Honda accord new for $25,000 and a new fully loaded 2021 would be $37,000, adjusted for inflation it would have been $37,100
@@hondajohn6948 That doesn’t apply in each case, though. A fully loaded F-150 in 2001 cost just shy of $35,000. In 2021 a fully loaded F-150 costs over $80,000 when it should cost just over $53,000 when adjusted for inflation.
@@carsandcrashtests The f150 20 years ago and current fully loaded f150s are very different cars. Fully loaded trucks are purchased like luxury cars once were. I would dare to say fully loaded f150s and base models are from different markets, whereas a fully loaded honda accord and base model appeal to similar audiences.
Helping people decide to buy safer vehicles was the single reason behind starting this channel. Thank you for sharing this, and validating why I chose to post these videos. May you both have many safe journeys ahead.
The Tundra was quite the shocker in comparison to its competition. Even being a B-pillar-less pickup, it held together well. Too bad the right leg readings were high.
www.thefreelibrary.com/The+safety+man%3A+Brian+O%27Neill+and+his+team+at+the+Insurance+Institute+...-a084398551 This is a good article about Brian O’Neill. It mentions how from the beginning Toyota was at the forefront of wanting to improve their vehicles and not make excuses and how he admired them for that.
@@carsandcrashtests this article was a great read, funny to think that autonomous crash prevention was unheard of 20 years agonand now its practically standard
Kudo's to Ford for fixing the problem in just a few short years. When the redesigned F-150's were tested just 3 years after this they were stellar performers in all safety categories and ever since this video Ford has consistently ranked at the top for safety and crashworthiness.
Ford definitely did do a good job when they redesigned the F-150 in 2004. I wish they had added AdvanceTrac with RSC, along with side airbags to the F-150 before 2009 though. If it was good enough for the Explorer/Expedition, it should have been included in the F-150 long before that. Even the Ford Escape got combo side/head airbags when it debuted in 2001.
3 years with a car selling nearly 1 million units every year is too long, Ford did not even make structural changes after receiving the results. It seems that at that time Ford was very disregarding the lives of customers.
Even though pick-up trucks have historically not been very popular in Europe especially compared to America, in 2008 Euro NCAP, Europe's equivalent of the IIHS, crash-tested pick-ups when they were increasing in popularity in Europe and being used for more than just utility purposes. They tested the Ford Ranger, Nissan Navara, and the Mitsubishi L200/Triton, all popular pick-ups in Europe. They had the same outcome of having 1 star with a line across (Euro NCAP graded on a 5-star system with a 1 with a line across being the lowest rating you could get at the time), which indicated poor performance including structural collapse with the dummies showing high risk of life-threatening injuries. Of course, pick-up safety improved, and they now do very well in Euro NCAP tests.
Euro NCAP changed its rating system in 2021, so they are not a valid source anymore. Apparently, crashing a car with a lighter barrier at 50 km/h is more sever than crashing the same car against a solid wall + a deformable barrier at 64 km/h. Euro NCAP "engineers" don't know Newton's 3rd law.
Now, in the updated IIHS frontal offset test emphasizing back seat safety, no large truck earned a Good rating. All but one (the Tundra) was rated Poor. As for the updated side test, all but one (the Silverado) was rated Good.
I own a 1999 Ford F-150 XLT Supercab! It was actually involved in a wreck between a semi and a dump truck! Only damage was the front bumper mounts! It wasn't even totaled by the insurance because the bags didn't deploy. I thought they must be defective until I started the bumper realignment and set it off! lol. FORD TOUGH! Still going strong today!!
I am glad you're okay! I know the love people have for older Ford trucks (especially after working at several Ford dealerships), but I will always advocate that people avoid driving any vehicle with a poor crash test rating in any category (front/side/rear/roof).
@@carsandcrashtests Christopher Smith wrote "Most Midsize Cars Fail New IIHS Side-Impact Crash Rating The Subaru Outback was the only vehicle out of seven tested to get a good rating." Should we drive at all? As much plastic in these newer vehicles, I'm going to take my chances FORD TOUGH!!
My first vehicle was a Ford Mustang, and it's been the brand of vehicle I've had the most, so Ford will always have a place in my heart. However, results like this don't lie. At this time I was selling Ford vehicles and I told my manager I could not in good conscious sell Super Cab F-150's. Unfortunately, logic and facts were lost on him and he about popped a blood vessel when I said that. Shortly after, I transitioned out of sales. I wish they had tested a crew cab though, to see if that was any different. I suspect it would still have structural issues, as most vehicles still did then, but not nearly the collapse the Super Cab had.
Toyota engineers had been very invested in the research the IIHS was doing at the time and had paid close attention to what they needed to do to make sure their vehicles always scored as high as possible. If you watch the Luxury Car crash test video I posted, it gives a small blurb on Toyota and how they incorporated the offset test into designing their cars.
Never did I think it'd be possible for the front hub of a vehicle to be pushed well beyond the original position of the A pillar...as shown in the Ford F-150 crash. sheesh.
As someone who hates government safety standards and regulations, i think that ONeill and the IIHS safety tests do the average "consumer" a good service by developing tests that challenge engineers to develop more survivable vehicles in a crash situation. In many ways, we have moved backwards from truly safe vehicles today as modern vehicles with their touch screens, high beltlines, cucoon like interiors, and nagging assistance technologies are actually pushing up pedestrian and highway fatality rates over the last 10 years.
i wish the safety institutes shitted on the car companies to make their vehicles safer.... Brian O'Neill and Lea Thompson literally we're a perfect combo to absolutely roast car manufacturers LOL!
They really were. Nowadays most of the crash test results are good, so there's not really any need for a Dateline exposé. It would be interesting to see what could be done with this enhanced side crash test.
The forces recorded on the dummy’s head and neck in this crash were sufficient that if a person experienced those forces the one possible outcome could be a fatal injury.
I like how the automakers attack back when they are exposed. Well, it was obvious that the automakers in response to IIHS were plain lying and contradicting themselves. I admire true journalists like Lea Thompson for exposing the lies, and she is definetly quite the opposite of the car "vloggers" of today which say of every new car they test that it is good and is worth buying.
Oh, and also, I think the Silverado should have gotten an Acceptable. That is because even though dummy movement was bad, there were no injuries at all. Infact, I think this should have been rated higher than the Tundra.
The dummy not registering any injuries after the intrusion of the lower footwell and its body being unrestrained and thrashing about should be considered, at best, plain dumb luck. A real person might not be so fortunate in a crash like that. This is why the restraint performance makes up a large fraction of the vehicle's overall rating.
7:50 "Well its obviously not true because Toyota's figured out how to do it." Yeah, Well guess what. Chevy figured it out too besides control of dummy movement. I think the Tundra is still better though, in both safety and reliability.
The Silverado also had major intrusion in addition to poor dummy movement. That was another key factor in its rating downgrade. The Toyota Tundra had good structure and dummy movement.
@@carsandcrashtests True. I'll have to look at intrusion measurements for the Silverado. Otherwise, yes, The Toyota Tundra was the best performer in that round of tests, especially compared to the F-150. Tundra passed the test with flying colors, while the F-150 failed it with possibly fatal injuries to the dummy.
My grandpa used to have four Nissan frontier pickup trucks he smashed one in to a Toyota Camry three were red one was gray he sold two of the red ones and the gray one he still has the red one which is the only one he has the motor in that car is broken so it doesn't work it could tourn over but it doesn't work 🔥🛻 🚓 🚚🛻🛵 no the motor berst in to flemes i put the fire emoji with the pickup truck so it looks like the motor blew up.😅
I love Lea Thompson's dramatic "oh!" as she watches the dummy flail around inside the Ford F-150.
Yeah, I could never tell if that was added for effect or truly genuine.
Lea Thompson: "Can any manufacturer say: 'Well it's tougher to design a truck to pass this test, than it is for a car.'"
Brian O'Neill: "Well, they can say that, but it's obviously not true, because Toyota's figured out how to do it, and I don't think Toyota has a monopoly on good crash engineers."
*mic drop*
The IIHS hasn't seen a savagery level this high since Brian retired. He was truly the best at publicly embarrassing automakers who just wanted to give excuse after excuse as to why they couldn't make safer cars, until they just gave in and did it.
Yeah the iihs still does good work but they are toothless compared to what they used to be. Good rated headlights are still not standard on cars and they have been testing headlights for 7 years
@@hondajohn6948 IMO, while good rated headlights are important for night time visibility, and necessary for a top IIHS rating, they are ultimately not as important as crash protection or crash avoidance systems. I do not disagree that they are good to have, but even the lower rated headlights are still better than the "fireflies in jam jars" (as Jeremy Clarkson once compared headlights to) we had 20-30 years ago that couldn't project more than 10 feet in front of you. Also keep in mind that all these advancements that keep getting added into new cars is the reason the average new vehicle price is now $45,000.
@@carsandcrashtests new car prices are consistent with inflation and are not more expensive to consumers than they were in the past. I purchased a 2001 Honda accord new for $25,000 and a new fully loaded 2021 would be $37,000, adjusted for inflation it would have been $37,100
@@hondajohn6948 That doesn’t apply in each case, though. A fully loaded F-150 in 2001 cost just shy of $35,000. In 2021 a fully loaded F-150 costs over $80,000 when it should cost just over $53,000 when adjusted for inflation.
@@carsandcrashtests The f150 20 years ago and current fully loaded f150s are very different cars. Fully loaded trucks are purchased like luxury cars once were. I would dare to say fully loaded f150s and base models are from different markets, whereas a fully loaded honda accord and base model appeal to similar audiences.
my dad has a 2001 f150. i showed him this video yesterday and today he bought a 2002 toyota tundra.
Helping people decide to buy safer vehicles was the single reason behind starting this channel. Thank you for sharing this, and validating why I chose to post these videos. May you both have many safe journeys ahead.
A whole new meaning to "Found On The Road DEAD".
The Tundra was quite the shocker in comparison to its competition. Even being a B-pillar-less pickup, it held together well. Too bad the right leg readings were high.
www.thefreelibrary.com/The+safety+man%3A+Brian+O%27Neill+and+his+team+at+the+Insurance+Institute+...-a084398551
This is a good article about Brian O’Neill. It mentions how from the beginning Toyota was at the forefront of wanting to improve their vehicles and not make excuses and how he admired them for that.
@@carsandcrashtests this article was a great read, funny to think that autonomous crash prevention was unheard of 20 years agonand now its practically standard
@@hondajohn6948 not just unheard of, but considered a fallacy by Brian O’Neill himself. Just imagine what they’ll come up with 20 years from now.
@@carsandcrashtests Good article, good read. Thanks for sharing.
Still a safe truck though if it still passed.
I didn’t know there we're more of these, thanks for posting.
Awesome! Can’t wait for more!
Yes! Thank you for the upload! I’ve been waiting on this one for a while! 😎
I love these keep em coming my friend
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS THANK U
00crashtest will be happy
Yeah man he likes toyotas
😂
Keep up the work
The lawyers wrote the responses.
Kudo's to Ford for fixing the problem in just a few short years. When the redesigned F-150's were tested just 3 years after this they were stellar performers in all safety categories and ever since this video Ford has consistently ranked at the top for safety and crashworthiness.
Ford definitely did do a good job when they redesigned the F-150 in 2004. I wish they had added AdvanceTrac with RSC, along with side airbags to the F-150 before 2009 though. If it was good enough for the Explorer/Expedition, it should have been included in the F-150 long before that. Even the Ford Escape got combo side/head airbags when it debuted in 2001.
3 years with a car selling nearly 1 million units every year is too long, Ford did not even make structural changes after receiving the results. It seems that at that time Ford was very disregarding the lives of customers.
@@planecrashdisaster19... I've been in a 10th gen f150 crash, the problem is it's the suicide door model my single cab did 10x better
@nathanmcdonald: Yeah, too bad Ford are bad cars and unreliable. And badly designed/conceived and made. Same for Chevrolet.
FINNALY IFOUND IT
I love how they ONLY chose the ext cab of the f150 INSTEAD of the Single or supercrew config that HAVE a B-pillar and are more ridged
Even though pick-up trucks have historically not been very popular in Europe especially compared to America, in 2008 Euro NCAP, Europe's equivalent of the IIHS, crash-tested pick-ups when they were increasing in popularity in Europe and being used for more than just utility purposes. They tested the Ford Ranger, Nissan Navara, and the Mitsubishi L200/Triton, all popular pick-ups in Europe. They had the same outcome of having 1 star with a line across (Euro NCAP graded on a 5-star system with a 1 with a line across being the lowest rating you could get at the time), which indicated poor performance including structural collapse with the dummies showing high risk of life-threatening injuries. Of course, pick-up safety improved, and they now do very well in Euro NCAP tests.
Euro NCAP changed its rating system in 2021, so they are not a valid source anymore. Apparently, crashing a car with a lighter barrier at 50 km/h is more sever than crashing the same car against a solid wall + a deformable barrier at 64 km/h. Euro NCAP "engineers" don't know Newton's 3rd law.
Now, in the updated IIHS frontal offset test emphasizing back seat safety, no large truck earned a Good rating. All but one (the Tundra) was rated Poor. As for the updated side test, all but one (the Silverado) was rated Good.
Finally wooo
I own a 1999 Ford F-150 XLT Supercab! It was actually involved in a wreck between a semi and a dump truck! Only damage was the front bumper mounts! It wasn't even totaled by the insurance because the bags didn't deploy. I thought they must be defective until I started the bumper realignment and set it off! lol. FORD TOUGH! Still going strong today!!
I am glad you're okay! I know the love people have for older Ford trucks (especially after working at several Ford dealerships), but I will always advocate that people avoid driving any vehicle with a poor crash test rating in any category (front/side/rear/roof).
@@carsandcrashtests Christopher Smith wrote "Most Midsize Cars Fail New IIHS Side-Impact Crash Rating
The Subaru Outback was the only vehicle out of seven tested to get a good rating."
Should we drive at all? As much plastic in these newer vehicles, I'm going to take my chances FORD TOUGH!!
My uncle in the USA drives a 2002 ford f150 crew cab blue and he still like his truck
My first vehicle was a Ford Mustang, and it's been the brand of vehicle I've had the most, so Ford will always have a place in my heart. However, results like this don't lie. At this time I was selling Ford vehicles and I told my manager I could not in good conscious sell Super Cab F-150's. Unfortunately, logic and facts were lost on him and he about popped a blood vessel when I said that. Shortly after, I transitioned out of sales. I wish they had tested a crew cab though, to see if that was any different. I suspect it would still have structural issues, as most vehicles still did then, but not nearly the collapse the Super Cab had.
@@carsandcrashtests I think the expedition crash test speaks for itself compared to the crew cab
Never seen this wow!!
Breakaway wheels, that's a good one 😂
The tires on the Tundra were like, "Let's take one for the team to protect the dummy!"
Toyota Tundra is amazing in this category of years
Toyota engineers had been very invested in the research the IIHS was doing at the time and had paid close attention to what they needed to do to make sure their vehicles always scored as high as possible. If you watch the Luxury Car crash test video I posted, it gives a small blurb on Toyota and how they incorporated the offset test into designing their cars.
The F-150!
What's it made of paiper maché?!
The Toyota tundra:slams into a barrier
The wheels:ight imma head out
Do you just have a box of theses tapes like how did u get them
Yard sale.
The world may never know...
@@carsandcrashtests 😮
Never did I think it'd be possible for the front hub of a vehicle to be pushed well beyond the original position of the A pillar...as shown in the Ford F-150 crash. sheesh.
I had a dodge just like that but it was a 97 i wrecked it and it didnt do any of that all it needed was a bumper and fenders didnt even bend the frame
This Is How The Best Selling Vehicle In The U.S Flunk This Test
It was definitely shocking to see at the time, and Lea Thompson and Brian O'Neill definitely gave it the bashing it deserved.
A owner of a 2002 silverado that recently got hit head on they are pretty safe walked away pretty much untouched
Chevy SIlverado also sold as the GMC Sierra.
Do 1998 small trucks please!
They were uploaded on my channel awhile ago.
As someone who hates government safety standards and regulations, i think that ONeill and the IIHS safety tests do the average "consumer" a good service by developing tests that challenge engineers to develop more survivable vehicles in a crash situation. In many ways, we have moved backwards from truly safe vehicles today as modern vehicles with their touch screens, high beltlines, cucoon like interiors, and nagging assistance technologies are actually pushing up pedestrian and highway fatality rates over the last 10 years.
My parents had a 2000 F150 when I was a kid, glad we never crashed it lol.
i wish the safety institutes shitted on the car companies to make their vehicles safer.... Brian O'Neill and Lea Thompson literally we're a perfect combo to absolutely roast car manufacturers LOL!
They really were. Nowadays most of the crash test results are good, so there's not really any need for a Dateline exposé. It would be interesting to see what could be done with this enhanced side crash test.
@@carsandcrashtests many cars failed the updated moderate overlap lol
97-2003 F150 were made of beer cans.
Haha, I always say things like popsicle sticks and Elmers glue, construction paper and tape, or aluminum foil and bits of used gum.
The forces recorded on the dummy’s head and neck in this crash were sufficient that if a person experienced those forces the one possible outcome could be a fatal injury.
When ford says the f-150 is best selling truck, they are counting Chevy and GMC as separate brands. General Motors sells more trucks overall than Ford
That’s why I stuck to new cars.
In 2001, this was new. Thankfully most new cars/trucks/SUVs today are a lot safer.
I like how the automakers attack back when they are exposed. Well, it was obvious that the automakers in response to IIHS were plain lying and contradicting themselves. I admire true journalists like Lea Thompson for exposing the lies, and she is definetly quite the opposite of the car "vloggers" of today which say of every new car they test that it is good and is worth buying.
4:41 K.O.
Oh, and also, I think the Silverado should have gotten an Acceptable. That is because even though dummy movement was bad, there were no injuries at all. Infact, I think this should have been rated higher than the Tundra.
The dummy not registering any injuries after the intrusion of the lower footwell and its body being unrestrained and thrashing about should be considered, at best, plain dumb luck. A real person might not be so fortunate in a crash like that. This is why the restraint performance makes up a large fraction of the vehicle's overall rating.
@@averagewolfie Oh. I mean, it still should have gotten acceptable though for getting a perfect score on protecting the driver from any injuries.
@@chisox551 But it didn't.
3:18 “wrong way”
I always thought that was a funny bit. Never knew what she meant though.
I think she meant that Chevrolet lied to us
4:42
Long bed 12k lbs. What’s up
Insurance offset test. Lmao.
Insurance OFFSET test
3:44 3:47 4:41
GM talking out their asses as usual.
7:50 "Well its obviously not true because Toyota's figured out how to do it." Yeah, Well guess what. Chevy figured it out too besides control of dummy movement. I think the Tundra is still better though, in both safety and reliability.
The Silverado also had major intrusion in addition to poor dummy movement. That was another key factor in its rating downgrade. The Toyota Tundra had good structure and dummy movement.
@@carsandcrashtests True. I'll have to look at intrusion measurements for the Silverado. Otherwise, yes, The Toyota Tundra was the best performer in that round of tests, especially compared to the F-150. Tundra passed the test with flying colors, while the F-150 failed it with possibly fatal injuries to the dummy.
0:50 they already dented the ford.
That one was bumpered at 5mph
so? it wouldn’t affect anything in the crash
Insurance offset test lmfao
Design safer vehicles to lower insurance costs. Eh. Not even simulating weight against a larger object. Serious?
The F150 should have had its own rating: VERY poor.
And then add in the Pontiac trans sport in very poor rating
My ratings would be:
Acceptable: Chevy Silverado
Marginal: Toyota Tundra
Poor: Dodge Ram, Ford F-150.
Chevy was hopeless.
Well yeah. The Silverado didn't do bad. All the injury measures were good. The tundra got a marginal foot rating.
Death traps.
Get real children. Before you know it, knowledge will be gone. Please recognize this as a failure of our society.
Lies.
Kinda funny. My pos diesel will fare better. Weight. Mass. All these things we seem to forget once money is invoked and regulatory bodies exist.
Government test is horrible
It's not horrible, it's just not the way most crashes happen.
Horrible in terms of useless
Carsandcrashtests is a replacement for 00crashtest
I am not 00crashtest, this is a separate channel.
My grandpa used to have four Nissan frontier pickup trucks he smashed one in to a Toyota Camry three were red one was gray he sold two of the red ones and the gray one he still has the red one which is the only one he has the motor in that car is broken so it doesn't work it
could tourn over but it doesn't work 🔥🛻 🚓 🚚🛻🛵 no the motor berst in to flemes i put the fire emoji with the pickup truck so it looks like the motor blew up.😅