Excellent series, but there's one minor error. The photo you show of Rudy Altobelli, the owner of the 10050 Cielo house, is actually a photo of Stuart Cohen who was Rudy's domestic partner. Both Rudy and Stuart were talent managers well know in Hollywood during that era.
The younger version of him or the 1970's version of him? Which photo? There is a photo of both of them on the couch at one point. My photo is cropped, so see the link below. Altobelli was older than Cohen, correct?
Hmmmm.... well I'll assume you're correct and that I was led astray by someone who labeled this photo with his name on it.. And I will say this too. There is another photo (apparently) in the video of Altobelli as a younger man standing next to Candice Bergen on the couch. It always appeared to me that the younger man seemed taller and much more muscular than what I assumed was the older version of Altobelli on the couch, but I just figured age will do that to you. I have also found a photo of a much older Altobelli just a few years before he died but I honestly can't tell from that photo what he must have looked like way back in the 1960's or 70's. Either way. I HATE making mistakes and I hate it when I find something that labels a person in a photo when it's not them. Thanks for pointing it out and if I re-edit this one, I'll take out that photo. Grrrr.....
32:43- Steven Parent, the youngest victim of the Cielo Drive murders in 1969. An alarm-clock salesman at the time, he was murdered in the midst of his trade. Steven was 18. He was trying to sell an alarm clock to the man in the guest house, the pool attendant. Because the pool attendant was not attacked, he was able to corroborate this, after the fact of Steven’s murder. We should not ignore this history even if it is ugly. Thank you for presenting it, so concisely.
Your a great story teller I could listen to u read the phone book .I'm always fascinated by myth v fact and how history real events get mythologized to,the point truth is secondary ,love how u break things down and hypothesis well
He was a thief and a homosexual hustler who liked drugs. His shrink said he had sadistic propensities and probably a sociopath. I don't think his shrink is a foolproof voice but it's easy to get dirt on folks. Even at. 18. He's not an angel because he got murdered. He's not a monster bc he got high had sex with other men and had criminal record.
Wow... This started with Buffalo Springfield (my favorite) The Doors, Love, and so much more. This part was a left turn into darkness. I remember renting horses at the Spahn Ranch in 1966 or 67. I was back one more time with a friend probably in early 1969 and warned not to drink the water in the dispenser because it had LSD in it. There was no one else there at the time fortunately. Wow...
Wow, that's amazing. They basically took over that place and managed to turn it into something that was rather unexpected, didn't they? Unexpected and sinister.
Drugs were a major part of ALL of this. The March 23, 1969 party was only one of many out-of-control events. There, the three main Canadian drug dealers who were all friends of Mama Cass - Tom Harrigan (who would also tell police he visited Frykowski there two days before the murders), Billy Doyle (a violent pusher-addict) and Pic Dawson (addict who was the son of a diplomat) - were supposedly kicked out of the March party for starting trouble. They were the "suppliers" for much of that crowd. Everybody knew that. Their number one goal was to secure a local, trustworthy contact whose territory would be Hollywood. They pedalled MDMA, then a new drug nowadays mostly known as "ecstasy," and knew Voytek Frykowski was already deeply ensconsed in the drug trade. To many in Hollywood, remember the Cielo Drive house was always known as a place where one could obtain the newest stuff. Before Melcher lived there, it was rented by Mark Lindsay of Paul Revere and the Raiders. Frykowski and his GF and funder, heiress Abigail "Gibby" Folger, would have the run of the property while both Polanski and Tate were in Europe for most of the summer. There, they held parties SEVERAL times per week and the ne'er-do-wells they knew personally were all there - ALL THE TIME. Sharon's friends questioned the wisdom of Polanski's friends being given unfettered access, but nonetheless, it happened. Frykowski's dealings with MANY - at all hours of the night - made the intrusion of a few hippie-types around midnight August 9th not seem all that unusual. Meanwhile, back at Spahn, Charles Watson, a young criminal upstart - already dealing in Hollywood with a girlfriend - would occasionally stop by for girls, additional drug connections and mostly to "lay low." He got close in July to one of the girls, Linda Louise Kasabian. Kasabian, who - according to Bugliosi, of course - supposedly stole $5K from her husband to simply "give" Watson for some reason. Seems more like Robert Kasabian and likely FBI informant Charles Melton gave her the money and used her as a mule. She would later admit to initially doing a deal at the Cielo Drive house, where she got "ripped off for the bread." Hmmm. ("Helter Skelter," my a**.) And, it should be noted, the FBI, it is rumored, was watching the Tate/Polanski house anyway. MEANWHILE, Jay Sebring, Sharon's former Fiancé and noted men's haidresser was often hanging around with his ex when she was back in L.A. His salon - and this is VERY, VERY important - was mostly financed by the Mob. One such guy, Eugene "Gino" Massaro, ran several operations along with an underling: Joel Rostau. Rostau - whose body would be found decomposing in the trunk of a rental car in JFK airport three months before the trial began in May, 1970, had a girlfriend named Karlene McCaffery, who was Jay Sebring's personal secretary. Sebring had been known in Hollywood as "The Candy Man" and he - along with his friends like Steve McQueen (a secret crush and occasional bed partner of Sharon Tate) - supplied the likes of Sinatra and his crew, whilst also charging large fees to his haircut "clients" who visited his establishment on Faifax. Obviously, though, it is more likely patrons emerged from the salon with more than just a fashionable haircut. And I'm quite sure Rostau and Massaro made certain Karlene cooked the books properly. According to the Police progress report, Rostau told Karlene he visited Cielo Drive at 8 p.m. August 8th to bring Sebring the Cocaine and other drugs he requested, but had to leave because he didn't have all of it, and said he'd return. He never did. (This is available to read on-line. The "Second Tate Progress Report" is worth viewing, as it shows what police were uncovering BEFORE the culprits were arrested, and the new "narrative" was changed by Bugliosi to be a Manson-directed murder predicated on anger toward Terry Melcher and the desire to start a "race war.") Apparently, others who'd been waiting for those at 10050 Cielo to make good on the drug burn they'd committed on young Linda a couple weeks earlier were not very happy that by midnight, their demands were not met. Watson, who'd discovered that his "territory" had been tread-on by the new pretender, Frykowski, was more than a bit angry anyway, so his accompanying Kasabian and a couple other familiar girls to recover what he deemed rightfully his turned tragic. Sharon - according to family member Sandra Good - was not supposed to be there. Tex checked ahead of time, she said. So all of this - and more - could be said to stem from a very bad set of circumstances, mostly having to do with drug dealers and lots of money. Like the Wonderland murders of 1981, tremendous violence is known to result when individuals in this line of work have an ax to grind.
Thank you Billy my wife and I grew up in the 60s, she just off of Topanga blvd in Chatsworth and I just off of Topanga Canyon that’s probably why she is still at 61 a mild hippie. Myself I worked as a studio keyboardist throughout the Valley,Canyons and Hollywood it was an incredible time in history but none of us knew that at that time! We are both living the quiet life, still married 43 years here in San Luis Obispo,California but I had to stop down and thank you for all the great work you did putting together this mini series Truly Amazing!!!!! Again Thank You.
As a 56yr old musician, and a person fastinated with southern California all my life. You are dead on with description of Manson and his "family". I've read every book, watched every doc on Manson and Laurel canyon etc etc. Your opinions on charlie and his cohorts are the most accurate of any telling of this story I've ever heard. In my opinion, charlie had just enough talent to get his foot in the door. But, it did not take a long time for people to see what he was.
Thanks for all of that! Unfortunately, Manson seemed to possess some kind of a really bizarre power of negative charisma. And it was powerful enough that he was able to command people, who all at one time seemed like maybe they were just normal but troubled youths, to do some really unspeakable and truly awful things. And I think possibly he had no talent at all, but was somehow able to convince just enough certain people that maybe he did. He fooled Dennis Wilson, Cass Elliot, Neil Young, John Phillips, Terry Melcher (for a while) and who knows who else. Those were some very well-known people in the music business back then.
I was born and raised just down the freeway in Orange County CA. All of this happened on my birthday. As long as any of the manson family is still alive and in prison We Never Ever need to forget what happened.
You're probably right. Wishful thinking on my part that all of them will someday be forgotten. The whole story and events are just some of the worst things in our history. But thanks for watching anyway!
Thanks for excellent series with so much info and so detailed that I have to really focus. One constant seems to be that Cass Elliot is in the centre of just about everything that ever happened in that place and time. I often wonder if there was more to her than we know.
Thanks Paul. I still want to get over to Manchester and I want to do a series on The Smiths, Joy Division and New Order. Then up to Loch Ness and the burnt remains of the Boleskine House that belonged to Alistair Crowley. I would totally fly my drone over that house, lol.
Great job on Manson's March trip to Cielo and dispelling some of the crazy theories. I have always felt that Manson's trip was recon for what was to come. Who lived there at that point, did not matter. It was not a drug burn, or robbery gone wrong. Pure rage. Props on including Steve Parent in the discussion.
Yes, and it could have been a combination of several other things all wrapped up into one very awful decision that he decided to act on. Drugs or not, it seems like there are very few people on this earth that would deserve to go out that way and in the barbaric way that it happened. And Steven Parent did absolutely nothing at all, other than just be in the wrong place at the worst possible time.
Thanks for the latest Episode Billy! My wife and I have really enjoyed the entire series.....we are obsessed with Laurel Canyon...would love to visit someday....you and I share much of the same musical influences....thanks again!
Glad you're enjoying all of it! The music is the best part of it but unfortunately the whole Manson thing is hard to ignore. It's just so unfortunate that it more or less ruined such an awesome time period of creativity. I just hope the music of that time period lasts much longer in history than the awful things that they Manson Family did out there in the area.
@@memoryfield thanks for your response...it is very sad but interesting and all interwoven....you're very correct ....Manson put an end to the beauty of the 60s....looking forward to more installments......you seem to have found your groove....
What a rabbit hole this Laurel Canyon series took!! In 1977, I was 16 years old, in high school in Northern California. I had just finished reading "Helter Skelter" by L. A. DA Vincent Bugliosi. Around the same time, at school, for an assignment in history class, we had to write a essay on what it takes to be a leader, good or bad for society. I wrote about Manson. I was also just beginning to get into the Beach Boys and the Beatles and just bought the White Album so, yeah I was into it deep. For someone to make people kill is one horrible thing. But to slaughter them just because.... well, yes drugs were big part of it and run away teenagers will make poor decisions. In no way, of course, did I make it sound like a puff piece for Charlie. Just a little perspective on the human psyche and how dark some can go. Other classmates wrote about Hitler, so there was that too. I think I got a solid B+.. .Great series Billy! Dig your studio too!
Thanks, but unfortunately the WHOLE story of the Manson saga is a long and grueling journey into the dark abyss and I wasn't willing to go any further into it. I had to stop it at some point as it was making me a bit depressed the more I read about it.
All of these episodes are excellent! I’ve watched so many rockumentaries of my favorite 60s and 70s bands, and of the Manson family(I live close to where the Spahn ranch existed & was here when The murders happened), and these are just awesome! So in depth. Thank you!
Thanks for saying so, Patti. We appreciate that. Sounds like you must live in that Chatsworth area way up at the top of the San Fernando Valley. Must have been a crazy time back then to know all of that was going on so close to home. Scary! Thanks for watching.
Very well done, you are well spoken and easy to follow. You defiantly have a knack for it. I've learned so much from your series. Please keep them coming.
Manson violated his parole many times over between 1967 to 1969. His parole officer(s) knew it, but Manson never had his parole revoked. Several of the Manson girls were arrested under weird circumstances at one point. While this drew attention of law enforcement, nothing came of it. Author and investigator Tom O'Neill spoke with those in law enforcement who knew Manson, or handled his case. None could explain how/why Manson remained free after numerous parole violations. Once person who had been in law enforcement during those years, and knew of Manson at the time said it was very strange that Manson seemed to skate every time he violated parole. Another person in law enforcement felt that Manson was allowed to remain free for a reason that they couldn't explain. For those interested, I can't recommend enough Tom O'Neills' book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties
There have been rumors that Manson was an FBI informant for drug investigations. Manson was involved, had contacts, and his years being inside would have made him an ideal snitch. If this is the case, it could explain why his parole officer didn't take steps to revoke Manson's parole. As it is, Manson leaving SF for LA without permission was a violation that could have gotten his parole revoked. It isn't unheard of for the FBI to shield its sources and step in to prevent local law enforcement from taking actions against them with respect to things like parole violations. There are other rumors that Manson was involved in the CIA's MK Ultra LSD scandal, but that seems like an unsupported conspiracy theory.
@@fredaaron762 Just wondering why then they would have just left him to spend the rest of his days in a prison cell, after being convicted, and he never once protested against what happened to him. Why would he have just allowed himself to languish the rest of his day in a prison cell? If he had been a bonafide FBI informant and a collaborator, how impossible would it have been for him to have been "killed" in prison and/or then just basically disappeared from his cell forever?
@@memoryfield all good questions. The FBI can shield informants up to a point (ie, Sammy the Bull continued to deal drugs in witness protection & the FBI made sure he never went to jail). But a multiple homicide, especially one as notorious as this, is beyond their ability.
Well, being a guy from Texas (living in Utah at the moment) I always wanted to get out to the west coast and more specifically to LA and Laurel Canyon and really do a deep-dive into the history of the area. I had the opportunity to actually work a temporary job in southern California for four months and that my finally my opportunity to spend the time that was needed to gather up all this footage and information. We had a lot of fun with it. Thanks for watching!
I did the exact same thing as dennis wilson. I started letting drug dealers stay at my apartment for kick downs of drugs, then couldn't get rid of them. When I heard that the police were watching the place I just got up and left one night after the dope fiends refused to listen to my warnings about the cops. I never went back because I didn't have anything of value there.
I've heard two versions of how Wilson left them at his place. One was him being the typical star and just letting his management handle removing them. The second was listening to an interview with Gregg Jacobson saying the lease was up, so Dennis left, and the landlord had the sheriff's department evict the squatters. I have heard through numerous sources that between Wilson's place, CIelo Dr, and visiting Spahn and Barker Ranches, Melcher had a lot more contact with Manson than he ever admitted to.
@@ms8596 from what I have been able to glean, I think it was that the lease was over. Yeah it wasn't just melcher who tried to cover up his association with manson. There were a lot of celebrities who hob nobbed with manson. I will give you an example. There was a recent interview of Mark lyndsey of paul revere and the raiders on coast to coast radio show. He lived with Melcher at ciello for sometime. He came home one time and melcher was meeting with some record executives in the living room. Mark went to get a drink from the refrigerator in the kitched and he found Manson crouched down in front of the refer. He said excuse me but manson didn't move. A little while later he told Melcher about it and he said oh thats just charlie. He's alright. Then mark said on the interview that obviously he wasn't alright. This shows that manson was closer to him than he ever admitted. I personally believe that Melcher got mansons hopes up that he would get a record deal and that is what set him off. Makes perfect sense.
This is very interesting content! There are obviously many, many unanswered questions that we will never know the anwer to. Thank you for posting this video!
So glad you enjoyed all of it and hopefully you found the playlist and were able to watch it all in order. Thank you for all of your very nice comments on the channel!
You should do a full on documentary about this. You’re really thorough on your research. I loved that you talked about Abigail Folger and all the things that she did in her life. I want to know more about the other people in this story. I watched a documentary about Dennis Wilson and his relationship to Manson. That was really interesting. I would love to see more documentaries like that.
Billy, I stumbled upon your youtube channel and was engulfed by the Laurel Canyon videos. They were fantastic, extremely informative and entertaining. thank you,
I think that if Manson was there at the house and saw, even a glance, that other people were there. Since he was being run off by the owner then, he may have felt anyone else there was in line with the owner. So, Manson may have been humiliated in front of everyone there. So, I think that was his motive for ordering everyone in the house to be destroyed.
Poor Cass! Felt sad her life was so broken. You did a great job on this un. Hated to realize the drug dealers were hailing from Canada! My country ,but I’m 1/2 British too,,,,,😊
Do you know it’s true UK meaning? No.not about Manson. The swings @ the slides in the UK was my explanation of it. Paul McCartney interview ….. computer outta power . Google the meaning if u disbelief me.
Hello Billy, thank you so much for a wonderful video series on Laurel Canyon. I watched all episodes and thoroughly enjoyed every single one. Please allow me to add, you missed off one important resident - John Mayall the big daddy of the 60's British blues boom. He lived in Laurel Canyon from 1969-1979. Without his influence and inspiration a lot of the 60's West Coast rock bands would never have seen the light of day. He lived at 8353 Grand View Drive and the house was destroyed in a fire Sept 1979. Take much care. Regards
Actually, we didn't forget him. I was aware of where he had once lived but we just didn't have a house to stand in front of anymore! Apparently, that fire was just devastating and ended up taking out about half of that entire street and about 20 houses in all. With the way those homes had been jammed together in that area, and the difficulty the fire trucks have of getting up there in time it's a wonder it didn't take out half of Laurel Canyon. And yeah, he was an important figure of that time period and very influential to many musicians of his day. Thanks for watching!
Motives: I never heard the T Melcher, C Bergen specific prior crime scene creepy crawling story, although, I have not read the court testimonies of that story. I was born in Hollywood and frequented the parallel boulevard Topanga Canyon, as it is the shortcut when Laurel Canyon is gridlocked, and a more pilgrim-friendly 'hood. There always was a hostile to outsiders vibe in Laurel Canyon. and Benedict Canyon is still, “some say” infamous for 8/9/’69 day the music died. Great Job ! The artwork on the walls: Rock History at its best. Thank You
Why? I suspect you may be right but I have no reaal reason to support it. If the Hatami stuff in Chaos is right that he was forced to lie or be deported , Charlie would npt know Melcher moved. He did split all of a sudden and Polanski sublet the place from him through Rudi. Theres a rumour it was reakky can dyke parks looking for Melcher that day, However, Charlie was out there giving folks vullets and making crazy threats. Why didnt anyone mention this after the murders? Dennis, Greg, Melcher, etc? Melcher was a drunk by the time Tom O talks to him and he slips up and says he shouldve warned Polanski about Charlie. YA THINK?
@@scott33761 Manson asked Gregg Jacobson if Melcher had a green telescope on his deck in Malibu, and when Jacobson said he did, Manson told him "Not any more." He wanted Melcher to know he knew where he was living after he split from Cielo Dr.
Hi Billy love the series on Laurel Canyon A+++ you don’t know how much for someone who loves this timeline (Born March 3rd 1969) And lives in Australia & will probably never get a chance to see LA just how wonderful it is to take a ride with you THANKS!!!!
Very cool! So glad you were able to find us here. What part of Australia are you from? I lived in the Brisbane area for a couple of years way back in 1989-1991. Ipswich, Gold Coast.
Tom Oneils book Chaos; briliantly pieces most of this together. Manson was a possible plant with weird connections and was allowed to operate. He had many permissions apparently. His parole officer knew what he was doing and kept pardoning him. He was allowed to travel anywhere anytime.
Yes, Tom O'Reilly book is a MUST read for anyone interested in this famous case, which proves that Terry Melcher lied in his court testimony and even visited both Spahn Ranch and Barker Ranch AFTER the murders...fascinating stuff he uncovers in this book, but great series here Billy, and the Cass Elliot element to this story is all new to me and I've also got to say we share an almost identical taste in music...which is to say, great!
I've often wondered about Melcher's testimony and its complete integrity. I think he was in total fear for his life and for others (like his mother) and that must have had a profound effect on the information he provided. Thanks for your comments!
@@ericleiter6179 The problem with O'Neil's book is that after he had brought up all sorts of information regarding the murders then at the very end of the book, he admits that he still had no clue how the murders happened and what the motive was. To me that was a letdown. He brings up some interesting facts and suppositions but never ties it all together. For me then I am left to go back to the whole Helter Skelter motive as well as a possible copycat motive to try and get Bobby Beausoleil off from his murder indictment.
Enjoy your vids, I have always wondered how Steven Parent got in thru the gate,was he buzzed in by someone in the main or guest houses ,was there a bell on the outside of the gate in addition to a key switch ? Regards
That is a good question. I have read in the court testimony that the housekeeper who discovered the bodies in the morning stated that the gate buzzer was not functioning properly at the time. Parent may have even been told by William Garretson (in the guest house) that the gate buzzer wasn't working and how to get in. Either that or Garretson somehow let him in. But he was definitely not let into the property by anyone who was in the main house at the time. On the way out was another story. The gate was closed as Parent was trying to exit and he was going to have to hit that exit button to get the gate to open. Unfortunately, he was stopped by Tex Watson just before he was able to pass thru and drive away.
The worst source of information on this subject is Bugliosi's famous book, Helter Skelter. Anyone reading that one, should read about what sort of person Bugliosi was. Pretty reprehensible. The two best of the more accessible is the Family by Ed Sanders, and the Shadow Over Santa Susana by Adam Gorightly. The Granddaddy of the all, the masterwork and the *only* one you should read, if you're only going to read one - Chaos by Tom O'Neill.
I used to see the Manson girls sitting outside the L.A. Hall of Justice building during the Manson trial, on my way to junior college. They were some freaky people, with their crosses carved into their shaved heads and urging everyone to "drop out". The whole vibe of the city changed and you could tell society was about to change. Thanks for your series, I've got to go and visit the Canyon, it's very close to where I live.
Hello there, the incident about the cow, in Dennis Wilson mansion, i learned was brought there in order to make up for the amount of milk the Manson familiy swallowed , what is stupid, because they surely caused much more spending on other items like teeth fixing, using cars and gas or else, what a weird crow!!! Another detaill is that when Melcher split to Mailibu house, he left behind a lot of cats that Sharon took care of. Thank you for these interesting videos, I love the musical ambient on Laurel Canyon these days!!
Just discovered your channel. Very well done documentaries on these subjects. And I dig that killer 12 string acoustic you have hanging on your wall in episode 8! You’re so fortunate living in Cali in close proximity to all this history. Well done bro.
I commend you for documenting all this. I knew some of it through the book Helter Skelter but of course, it doesn't tell you everything. I've learned a lot from these videos I didn't know. The connections (of people) throughout each video was surprising to me. Love these videos. Great job.
There was even more. But I decided to move away from the topic and go on to something new and much less depressing. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comments. Much Appreciated.
It is obvious that Manson was looking to create an event, not specifically revenge. Here are some little tricks to penetrate his way of doing things and not lose influence over his group: he asked whoever had to carry out a massacre to leave cabalistic signs with blood in order to create psychological conditions in the person to feel as invested as possible in what she does. It's like that in all areas, people always respect what is beyond them. One of Manson's tricks was to make his band believe that what he was doing had deep meaning. it helped him not to feel guilty and even to go as far as possible. Even scum simply don't want to realize who they really are. Very good episode. Thank you.
Excellent observations on the matter! Yes, Manson seemed to possess some kind of supernatural ability to control the minds of others. Each and every one of those people who went to prison after the murders, and the brainwashing began to wear off, expressed the feeling that they had absolutely no cares at all about what they did at the time and that they were devoid of any feelings or compassion for the people they had killed so cruelly. It was as if they had been completely stripped of all of their humanism by someone else and they were convinced that what they were doing was justified and correct, part of a higher cause. The whole story is just incredibly bizarre and hard to deal with, quite honestly.
@@memoryfield Excellent observation from you too Memoryfields. I'll tell you something else: Manson organized group sex acts on the farm where he was the dominant. He humiliated and sexually degraded in front of everyone. Why not do it in private? To have even more control over his guys who know when he knows what they are capable of inflicting on themselves, where they are. Group orgies weren't just kinky entertainment, it was more than that. They had a permanent psychological submissive function and... not just in Manson's gang. Additionally, scum who began to think for themselves were beaten or murdered in front of others to establish fear of Manson. Obviously, in court, the scum were weakened, Manson was always at the hearing and with good lawyers under his control. None of the scum had one, for lack of money. None of them wanted their privacy exposed so they didn't confess to the crimes and followed whatever defense Manson's lawyer advised them for everyone's sake. Manson continued to pressure with his insistent stares around the court. The scum were denouncing each other to Manson during the trial. Manson kept the ranks. In this sense, there were reprisals carried out by people from the gang who were at liberty. It seems to me that there have been deaths and disappearances. The authorities of the order took this case too lightly. There was no confession. We are in the case of an era where, when religion or transcendence is a social rejection, the enlightened make theirs. the 1970s are more traditional for that. You will say more with the case of the white album of the Beatles on which Manson made a fixation. Laurel canyon is your legacy. Expand it!
Where did he learn such sophisticated tactics? He could not read well because he had dyslexia. Think pimps are that hip? Maybe CIA agents who had been experimenting on inmates in federal prisons using LSD and electric shock therapy taught him
@@arielbonzai462 Ariel, I feel like we're not talking about the same man. millions of French people have witnessed an interview he gave to a French journalist who came to see him. There is Eric Yung's book, which is very well documented and demonstrates his ability to lead certain people. Prior to the 1960s, he had decades of extensive experience with US jurisdiction and law. Believe me, he was more than terribly twisted, even a Satanist, because he understood that the system is a big liar. the people who followed him had problems with their conception of their place in society. When it comes to dyslexia, there are people who know how to camouflage themselves and even scientists don't recognize them. It doesn't fit badly. It is always in the system that we must seek the coherence of Manson.
@@arielbonzai462 Of course, he ended up in prisons where some prisoners were more dangerous than him, more cash, but does that make them more interesting? This is where you have to look for Manson's interest.
Tom O'Neill wrote a good book called Chaos about Manson and the murders. It has lots of details too that you might find interesting that would clarify some of your points. He was able to interview many people like Terry Melcher. Some would not talk and had lots to hide but some did talk and he was able to get police files. So much to this story and the biggest part is that Bugliosi lied in his court case and prosecution. I think Roman Polanski knows a lot and you touched on a number of things that are far more significant if you look at them from a viewpoint of why Manson had so many young girls around him and what they were doing. Think Epstein. Blackmail ..corruption...who knows. I think Manson was a tool for far more sinister purposes and far greater powers. Knowingly or unknowingly. Look into the secret U.S. Military base called Lookout Mountain and the origins of the hippie movement that actually started in Laurel Canyon and Los Angeles not San Francisco like most people think. LSD and mind control experiments were going on at the same time. What was Manson accused of and where did he learn to do those things? All very interesting and Tom O'Neill's book brings up some interesting viewpoints. Thanks for the video ....very interesting. I am a drummer too from Canada!!!
Thanks James. So many great books to read... so little time. LOL. I definitely used chapters and excepts from that book and his theories but I didn't read it cover to cover. And to be honest, I had a gutful of this whole Manson story to the point of where it was actually making me a bit depressed. That's also why I never really finished that episode the way I said I was going to. I just moved on to another series. It was really starting to get to me. The photos, the descriptions of the crime scene, the cruelty, etc. etc. It's not my favorite topic, for sure.
@@memoryfield Hey thanks for responding. I can understand your viewpoint. It can be a very dark and depressing subject to investigate. I study the JFK assassination as well and have been to a few conferences on it. The thing I learned early on is not to focus on the actual event or events of a case and the horror of it but to put that aside and look at the information of what we are officially being told and then go to witnesses, testimony , files etc. that contradict or put things in a different perspective. It gives you a little emotional distance and allows you to think rationally and approach it in an investigative manner. Probably what detectives and seasoned researchers do. I think you did a great job ...on who people knew ..who they hung around with etc. The fact that Manson went to Terry Melcher's place after he moved out of Cielo drive shows that Bugliosi's prosecution was deeply flawed with information and facts. That gives credence to Tom O'Neill's book and investigation in my opinion and to some other researchers who have brought forth disregarded information. I think your series did a real service to shine a light on some of these lesser known facts of the case and I think is a noble thing to do for the memory of the victims and their families. You did it in a very respectful and matter of fact way that made us think. As Matt Damon said in one of the Jason Bourne movies to the daughter of the parents he assassinated who was always told it was a murder suicide, " I would want to know". I think there are many of us out here who would want to know the truth. I hope you continue even having Tom O'Neill as a guest!!!! Thanks from Canada.
Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon by McGowan brings up some interesting aspects of Laurel Canyon residents. Many of these "rich hippies" came from families involved in military intelligence.
@@WattisWatts Yes...I have seen some interviews with McGowan and it is a very interesting perspective. That is where I got my information from about the hippie movement starting in Los Angeles. Too many coincidences. As Robert DiNiro's character said in Ronin ...Rule #1 If there is any doubt ...there is no doubt. I think McGowan passed away not long ago. Combining his research with Tom O'Neill's might have proved very fruitful.
It was about music. All of it. Labianca was too. They were in labianca n’hood looking for kaufman to get him, wasnt home, so went to the very next door to labianca. Its the music rejection - melcher GUARANTEED 2 albums and a documentary but went back on his word when he saw some things that went down at the ranch. Right or wrong; the rest is history.
Near Laurel Canyon is Wonderland Drive, which back in 1981 had a home invasion/mass murder which was reminiscent of the Benedict Canyon, Cielo Drive murders in 1969 in nearby Bel Air/Beverly Hills.
I lived in Seattle for a long time . Before that I lived in the desert in between Barstow and Death Valley as a kid when the murders happened. I was fascinated by them. In my twenties in early 1980’s I drove from Seattle to LA. I had the helter skelter book and found the house on cielo drive using the maps in the book. The first thing I noticed sitting in front of that gate even after all the years had gone by. The fence to the right up the rise in the terrain and the fence did stop and there was just a couple of strands of barbed wire. You could walk up that hill and step over that barbed wire. Infact when I was there there was a trail worn into the soil leading right up the hill to the place you could step over the wire. It seemed a no brainer to me that it was the perfect easy way to gain access to the property.
I lived in ridgcrest California. My mother told me years later that some girls who worked in the bookstore in town had shaved their heads at the same time the Manson girls did during the trial, also ridgcrest is on hiway 395 east of LA. On the way to lone pine big pine and bishop,. Lone pine is where Manson ended up when he was arrested at barker ranch. So he may very well had passed through Ridgcrest on his way to barker ranch. The same area as Ballarat and Trona California. Trona I found out was where Manson follower T.J. walleman lived . I know barker ranch is in bad shape these days but I hope to go up there someday.
I’m watching your vids now. I live near Memphis Tn. Now and was wondering about the name “ wolf river music” . There is a wolf river near Memphis, any connection? Since living here I have learned about the vast music history here. I never knew about the band called Big Star ⭐️ here. The box tops and their singer from Memphis , Alex Chilton
The Wolf River is where our favorite musician of all time, Jeff Buckley, tragically drowned on May 29, 1997. We named our studio and our music and video production company Wolf River Music in honor of his memory.
Very interesting. I read a small pocketbk. written by a security person who checked on Death Valley and dis covered a burned up earth mover, worth a consider amt. of money. He supposedly put a lot of interesting facts re. the family who were living in an unincorporated southern area of Death Valley. He is supposed to be the one who broke the case. I had been to the hot springs in the unincorporated area of Saline Valley. The Manson family supposedly stayed there. I worked at Northern Nevada Correctional Center as a Athletic Dir. A older inmate who took care of ath. equipment told me the family lived a short distance from him in Death Valley, and came over to use some of his water. He remembered when the police came and found Manson under a sink on their property. Have enjoyed your other videos re the canyon
Yes, you are referring to Barker Ranch out in Death Valley. I thought about going out there once but someone warned me that it's very difficult to get to and that it can reach 115 degrees in the heat of the summer. So I chickened out on trying it, lol.
@@memoryfield There is a You Tube video of some people going out there, but I'm too tired to try to find the link, but its there if you want to research it. I found it after going out to Death Valley to do some photography and was prowling around the Internet to get more info on what I had just photographed. Pretty creepy place.
I was under the impression that Sebring was actually tied up at the time he was shot by Watson. Apparently, the victims all thought at first they were just being robbed and Sebring was vocally protesting the treatment that Sharon Tate was receiving in her stage of pregnancy. Watson became agitated and then just shot Sebring in a rage of anger.
And all of that info, of course, comes not from any of the victims but from the only ones who were there who DIDN'T get murdered. So it will always be hard to know what really transpired because we're only hearing it from the perpetrators' perspectives.
This is a GREAT series. Your research is second to none. You're obviously into music from the various things you have around your house but maybe you should consider yourself as a researcher too; you do it so well. I first heard about the Manson family murders while up in Toronto and I read the Bukowski book while I was in High School and it was the first Teacher strike I went through. I read his book (I have a brain injury and can't remember anything from five minutes ago but I can remember the name of Charles Bukowski from 1970:). The book scared the crap out of this 13 year old. But what was going on in California also had an impact on us Canuckleheads. The Manson murders signaled the end of the period of innocence (see the reference to Don Henley there??:).
I was way too young to have known about any of the Manson Family thing while it was happening, but I certainly learned about it later. I didn't ever really even plan on including any of it in this series, but it was always just looming in the background and in reality, it really was kind of the thing that put a big halt to most of the good vibes in that area. People moved on and more music was made, but the whole cast of characters seem like they moved out (or died) and then the new generation kind of moved in and picked up the pieces.
@@memoryfield I think that you hit the nail on the head by looking at this and your thesis is that it was the end of the innocence. 'Prior to Manson' Laurel Canyon; as well as the rest of both yours and my country; were basically not living in fear. Our doors were unlocked and we basically had no trepidations. After Manson was different. We all locked our doors and bought bigger guns and started to rely on them. To the point where we are today; reeling from yet another senseless shooting in Texas.
Steven Parent’s father said in an interview, that law enforcement was SO cold blooded. He said they called their house to inform the parents that their son was dead. They spent less than a few moments telling them callously, then hung up. So ugly
I really like this series…However wasn’t there more on the Manson story…and also John Phillips involvement…am I missing something??? Your research and knowledge on this subject, going deeper into the lives of these people is fantastic!😃
Yes, you are correct. There was a lot more and I finally had to just call it quits. I might pick it up again in the near future but right now I've been sidetracked with recording and producing another album of music and I just couldn't handle multiple projects at the same time. I still have a regular day job and I was starting to sleep in and miss my alarm in the morning, getting myself into a bit of trouble in that area, lol.
I don't think Linda Kasabian would have been to the Cielo house prior to August 9th since she didn't join the Manson family until July of 1969, just one month prior to the murders. Unless she had been there before she joined the family but what would the link have been between her and Cielo Drive at that point. The others I can see visiting certainly Charlie and Tex and perhaps Krenwinkel.
Rumor about Frytowski raping Kadabian, She was a party girl and a drug dealer before she got to Manson A major bust in Boston and paeries at house next to LaBiancas with Harold True as host. A lot of these peple hung out together, Cass and Sadie. Tex and Melcher. Moorehouse and Wilson Wilson definitelly got Charlie into the fold, Melcher was more aloof His mother taught him to be wary of hnger on etc, He was an elitist as was Candy Bergan as children of stars they felt superior and cautious.
It's easy to find Manson's music; just find the YT videos called "L.A. in the time of Charles Manson," "Helter Skelter: An American Myth," and "Cease to Exist."
From whatever I've read Katy was coming diwb from acid. Sadie,Linda and Tex were always very friend. Linda is a tweaker to this day. She didn't say anything about it but the other two. Tex and Sadie snorted speed hidden in a baby food jar on the ranch. The stabbing so much and so forcefully is connected to amphetamine abuse. It seems like Katy probably got some too. Remember MKULTRA used acid then speed in rodent experiments that caused violence among them in dense populations. This is how Jolly West and Roger +David Smith set up summer of love kids who came to free clinic. The purpose was to create violent killers for war or assassinations. Maybe shits and grins
I don't believe Manson knew that Melcher moved, it makes no sense. He would have attacked his new address. I also don't believe Melcher moved because he was terrified of Manson. No way would he have gone out to the ranch if that were the case. There is no doubt Manson's motive was revenge for being rejected by the music producer, though, aided by Dennis Wilson bastardizing one of his songs.
I read somewhere (either in "Chaos" or "Member of the Family") that when Terry described meeting Manson at his home to his mother...Doris told him to get out of there quickly and (temporarily) move in with her. That may help explain why he abruptly moved out when he did. She (Doris) was never called to testify at the Manson trial though. Don't know how true that story is..but Melcher got out of Cielo drive fast shortly after Manson showed up there.
Melcher must have really been intimidated by Manson and it was actually him that was allowing/inviting Manson to come to the house on Cielo starting in late summer of 1968 and up until about the end of that year. He was over there at the house on Cielo no less than about 5-6 times that year and he knew the layout of the house and the grounds. Seemed like Melcher just couldn't figure out how to keep Manson away and how to get him out of his life without angering him.
Excellent series, but there's one minor error. The photo you show of Rudy Altobelli, the owner of the 10050 Cielo house, is actually a photo of Stuart Cohen who was Rudy's domestic partner. Both Rudy and Stuart were talent managers well know in Hollywood during that era.
The younger version of him or the 1970's version of him? Which photo? There is a photo of both of them on the couch at one point. My photo is cropped, so see the link below. Altobelli was older than Cohen, correct?
Tell me which one of these is Rudy. Sitting back on the couch or sitting forward on the couch? www.pinterest.com/pin/21744010689201375/
@@memoryfield Neither of them is Rudy. Stuart Cohen is on the right.
@@memoryfield Google search says that's a photo of Bob Esty next to Stuart Cohen.
Hmmmm.... well I'll assume you're correct and that I was led astray by someone who labeled this photo with his name on it.. And I will say this too. There is another photo (apparently) in the video of Altobelli as a younger man standing next to Candice Bergen on the couch. It always appeared to me that the younger man seemed taller and much more muscular than what I assumed was the older version of Altobelli on the couch, but I just figured age will do that to you. I have also found a photo of a much older Altobelli just a few years before he died but I honestly can't tell from that photo what he must have looked like way back in the 1960's or 70's. Either way. I HATE making mistakes and I hate it when I find something that labels a person in a photo when it's not them. Thanks for pointing it out and if I re-edit this one, I'll take out that photo. Grrrr.....
32:43- Steven Parent, the youngest victim of the Cielo Drive murders in 1969. An alarm-clock salesman at the time, he was murdered in the midst of his trade. Steven was 18. He was trying to sell an alarm clock to the man in the guest house, the pool attendant. Because the pool attendant was not attacked, he was able to corroborate this, after the fact of Steven’s murder.
We should not ignore this history even if it is ugly. Thank you for presenting it, so concisely.
He wasn't selling no alarm clock at that hour.. just saying
I'm glad that you mentioned Steven Parent, poor kid.
So tastefully presented, you did justice to the victims.
Thanks for noticing. I always wonder how people will react to such things. All of it so very sad, really.
Yeah, a tragic tragic event.
Your a great story teller I could listen to u read the phone book .I'm always fascinated by myth v fact and how history real events get mythologized to,the point truth is secondary ,love how u break things down and hypothesis well
He was a thief and a homosexual hustler who liked drugs. His shrink said he had sadistic propensities and probably a sociopath. I don't think his shrink is a foolproof voice but it's easy to get dirt on folks. Even at. 18. He's not an angel because he got murdered. He's not a monster bc he got high had sex with other men and had criminal record.
Parent may have been with the Family; he was a known thief.
Wow... This started with Buffalo Springfield (my favorite) The Doors, Love, and so much more. This part was a left turn into darkness. I remember renting horses at the Spahn Ranch in 1966 or 67. I was back one more time with a friend probably in early 1969 and warned not to drink the water in the dispenser because it had LSD in it. There was no one else there at the time fortunately. Wow...
Wow, that's amazing. They basically took over that place and managed to turn it into something that was rather unexpected, didn't they? Unexpected and sinister.
@@memoryfield The Manson family was totally evil.
Cappy was a groupie of buffalo Springfield I've heard
@@wimvanaerde6249who is Cappy?
@@livingadreamlife1428 Catherine gillies, Capistrano or cappy
I don't know how I ended up here but I've watched every episode ..... you get an A+
Well, we're glad that you were able to find us however that may have actually happened. Thanks for watching!
Drugs were a major part of ALL of this. The March 23, 1969 party was only one of many out-of-control events. There, the three main Canadian drug dealers who were all friends of Mama Cass - Tom Harrigan (who would also tell police he visited Frykowski there two days before the murders), Billy Doyle (a violent pusher-addict) and Pic Dawson (addict who was the son of a diplomat) - were supposedly kicked out of the March party for starting trouble. They were the "suppliers" for much of that crowd. Everybody knew that. Their number one goal was to secure a local, trustworthy contact whose territory would be Hollywood. They pedalled MDMA, then a new drug nowadays mostly known as "ecstasy," and knew Voytek Frykowski was already deeply ensconsed in the drug trade. To many in Hollywood, remember the Cielo Drive house was always known as a place where one could obtain the newest stuff. Before Melcher lived there, it was rented by Mark Lindsay of Paul Revere and the Raiders. Frykowski and his GF and funder, heiress Abigail "Gibby" Folger, would have the run of the property while both Polanski and Tate were in Europe for most of the summer. There, they held parties SEVERAL times per week and the ne'er-do-wells they knew personally were all there - ALL THE TIME. Sharon's friends questioned the wisdom of Polanski's friends being given unfettered access, but nonetheless, it happened. Frykowski's dealings with MANY - at all hours of the night - made the intrusion of a few hippie-types around midnight August 9th not seem all that unusual. Meanwhile, back at Spahn, Charles Watson, a young criminal upstart - already dealing in Hollywood with a girlfriend - would occasionally stop by for girls, additional drug connections and mostly to "lay low." He got close in July to one of the girls, Linda Louise Kasabian. Kasabian, who - according to Bugliosi, of course - supposedly stole $5K from her husband to simply "give" Watson for some reason. Seems more like Robert Kasabian and likely FBI informant Charles Melton gave her the money and used her as a mule. She would later admit to initially doing a deal at the Cielo Drive house, where she got "ripped off for the bread." Hmmm. ("Helter Skelter," my a**.) And, it should be noted, the FBI, it is rumored, was watching the Tate/Polanski house anyway. MEANWHILE, Jay Sebring, Sharon's former Fiancé and noted men's haidresser was often hanging around with his ex when she was back in L.A. His salon - and this is VERY, VERY important - was mostly financed by the Mob. One such guy, Eugene "Gino" Massaro, ran several operations along with an underling: Joel Rostau. Rostau - whose body would be found decomposing in the trunk of a rental car in JFK airport three months before the trial began in May, 1970, had a girlfriend named Karlene McCaffery, who was Jay Sebring's personal secretary. Sebring had been known in Hollywood as "The Candy Man" and he - along with his friends like Steve McQueen (a secret crush and occasional bed partner of Sharon Tate) - supplied the likes of Sinatra and his crew, whilst also charging large fees to his haircut "clients" who visited his establishment on Faifax. Obviously, though, it is more likely patrons emerged from the salon with more than just a fashionable haircut. And I'm quite sure Rostau and Massaro made certain Karlene cooked the books properly. According to the Police progress report, Rostau told Karlene he visited Cielo Drive at 8 p.m. August 8th to bring Sebring the Cocaine and other drugs he requested, but had to leave because he didn't have all of it, and said he'd return. He never did. (This is available to read on-line. The "Second Tate Progress Report" is worth viewing, as it shows what police were uncovering BEFORE the culprits were arrested, and the new "narrative" was changed by Bugliosi to be a Manson-directed murder predicated on anger toward Terry Melcher and the desire to start a "race war.") Apparently, others who'd been waiting for those at 10050 Cielo to make good on the drug burn they'd committed on young Linda a couple weeks earlier were not very happy that by midnight, their demands were not met. Watson, who'd discovered that his "territory" had been tread-on by the new pretender, Frykowski, was more than a bit angry anyway, so his accompanying Kasabian and a couple other familiar girls to recover what he deemed rightfully his turned tragic. Sharon - according to family member Sandra Good - was not supposed to be there. Tex checked ahead of time, she said. So all of this - and more - could be said to stem from a very bad set of circumstances, mostly having to do with drug dealers and lots of money. Like the Wonderland murders of 1981, tremendous violence is known to result when individuals in this line of work have an ax to grind.
Ao you don’t but into the theory that Charlie is Mk ultra?
Charlie had nothing to do with MK Ultra and Cielo had nothing to do with a bad drug deal.
@@shauntaylor6040 🙄
@@shauntaylor6040 so do you buy into the race war theory
What??? You say Charlie Melton was an FBI agent?
Thank you Billy my wife and I grew up in the 60s, she just off of Topanga blvd in Chatsworth and I just off of Topanga Canyon that’s probably why she is still at 61 a mild hippie. Myself I worked as a studio keyboardist throughout the Valley,Canyons and Hollywood it was an incredible time in history but none of us knew that at that time! We are both living the quiet life, still married 43 years here in San Luis Obispo,California but I had to stop down and thank you for all the great work you did putting together this mini series Truly Amazing!!!!! Again Thank You.
You have a lovely home, Billy....and a gorgeous cat! Great series!
As a 56yr old musician, and a person fastinated with southern California all my life. You are dead on with description of Manson and his "family". I've read every book, watched every doc on Manson and Laurel canyon etc etc. Your opinions on charlie and his cohorts are the most accurate of any telling of this story I've ever heard. In my opinion, charlie had just enough talent to get his foot in the door. But, it did not take a long time for people to see what he was.
Thanks for all of that! Unfortunately, Manson seemed to possess some kind of a really bizarre power of negative charisma. And it was powerful enough that he was able to command people, who all at one time seemed like maybe they were just normal but troubled youths, to do some really unspeakable and truly awful things. And I think possibly he had no talent at all, but was somehow able to convince just enough certain people that maybe he did. He fooled Dennis Wilson, Cass Elliot, Neil Young, John Phillips, Terry Melcher (for a while) and who knows who else. Those were some very well-known people in the music business back then.
I was born and raised just down the freeway in Orange County CA. All of this happened on my birthday. As long as any of the manson family is still alive and in prison We Never Ever need to forget what happened.
You're probably right. Wishful thinking on my part that all of them will someday be forgotten. The whole story and events are just some of the worst things in our history. But thanks for watching anyway!
lol Orange County is a long way from Hollywood.
@@bobsebring2819 No it's not either genius. It's just 41 miles. D.A.
@@memoryfieldThe Sharon Tate murders & victims will NEVER be FORGOTTEN!! We will always remember beautiful Sharon Tate & the others.
Spellbounding storytelling. 👍🎬
Thank you so much for saying so!
Thanks for excellent series with so much info and so detailed that I have to really focus. One constant seems to be that Cass Elliot is in the centre of just about everything that ever happened in that place and time. I often wonder if there was more to her than we know.
Cass knew Cielo Drive was a drug house
Absolutely riveting!
Thank you so much for saying so!
Your vids are excellent
Drugs and drinking leads to nowhere but problems and early death
I've thoroughly enjoyed the series and can't wait for the next episode.Cheers Billy from a very wet and cold Manchester UK.
Thanks Paul. I still want to get over to Manchester and I want to do a series on The Smiths, Joy Division and New Order. Then up to Loch Ness and the burnt remains of the Boleskine House that belonged to Alistair Crowley. I would totally fly my drone over that house, lol.
Steve Parent is a prime example of "being in the wrong place at the wrong time." R.I.P. to all the victims of the Manson Family.
No doubt about that. Poor kid. All of them, really. Such a senseless act of violence.
There's a lot more to Steven parent that was never publicly revealed
@@sitluxetluxfuit4481 Do tell! My curiosity is piqued now.
@@sitluxetluxfuit4481 Why do you say that?
This is the best and most thorough information on Laurel Canyon I’ve ever seen. Thank you for all you’ve done to make these videos!
Our pleasure! Thank you so much for watching and for your comments. Please come back again!
Check out the Paulcast and Manson NOW. I agree Tom's book is great. So is Manson Files
Excellent work
Great job on Manson's March trip to Cielo and dispelling some of the crazy theories. I have always felt that Manson's trip was recon for what was to come. Who lived there at that point, did not matter. It was not a drug burn, or robbery gone wrong. Pure rage. Props on including Steve Parent in the discussion.
Yes, and it could have been a combination of several other things all wrapped up into one very awful decision that he decided to act on. Drugs or not, it seems like there are very few people on this earth that would deserve to go out that way and in the barbaric way that it happened. And Steven Parent did absolutely nothing at all, other than just be in the wrong place at the worst possible time.
Thanks for the latest Episode Billy! My wife and I have really enjoyed the entire series.....we are obsessed with Laurel Canyon...would love to visit someday....you and I share much of the same musical influences....thanks again!
Glad you're enjoying all of it! The music is the best part of it but unfortunately the whole Manson thing is hard to ignore. It's just so unfortunate that it more or less ruined such an awesome time period of creativity. I just hope the music of that time period lasts much longer in history than the awful things that they Manson Family did out there in the area.
@@memoryfield thanks for your response...it is very sad but interesting and all interwoven....you're very correct ....Manson put an end to the beauty of the 60s....looking forward to more installments......you seem to have found your groove....
@@gibby6904 And Altamont was the final straw...
What a rabbit hole this Laurel Canyon series took!! In 1977, I was 16 years old, in high school in Northern California. I had just finished reading "Helter Skelter" by L. A. DA Vincent Bugliosi. Around the same time, at school, for an assignment in history class, we had to write a essay on what it takes to be a leader, good or bad for society. I wrote about Manson. I was also just beginning to get into the Beach Boys and the Beatles and just bought the White Album so, yeah I was into it deep. For someone to make people kill is one horrible thing. But to slaughter them just because.... well, yes drugs were big part of it and run away teenagers will make poor decisions. In no way, of course, did I make it sound like a puff piece for Charlie. Just a little perspective on the human psyche and how dark some can go. Other classmates wrote about Hitler, so there was that too. I think I got a solid B+.. .Great series Billy! Dig your studio too!
Wow, thanks for sharing all of that. What a time to be alive AND living in California. Crazy times, they were. We appreciate your comments!
Love your home
Posters !!!
Finally the whole story behind Manson....THANKS !!!
Thanks, but unfortunately the WHOLE story of the Manson saga is a long and grueling journey into the dark abyss and I wasn't willing to go any further into it. I had to stop it at some point as it was making me a bit depressed the more I read about it.
All of these episodes are excellent! I’ve watched so many rockumentaries of my favorite 60s and 70s bands, and of the Manson family(I live close to where the Spahn ranch existed & was here when The murders happened), and these are just awesome! So in depth. Thank you!
Thanks for saying so, Patti. We appreciate that. Sounds like you must live in that Chatsworth area way up at the top of the San Fernando Valley. Must have been a crazy time back then to know all of that was going on so close to home. Scary! Thanks for watching.
Discovered your series yesterday. I can't stop watching. Fascinating videos 👍
Awesome, thank you!
What a great series
Thank you for saying so!
Side note: how fortunate for those who have a nice safe place to go to get away from creeps. Imagine being poor and being stuck in that situation.
Very well done, you are well spoken and easy to follow. You defiantly have a knack for it. I've learned so much from your series. Please keep them coming.
Thank you very much!
Manson violated his parole many times over between 1967 to 1969. His parole officer(s) knew it, but Manson never had his parole revoked. Several of the Manson girls were arrested under weird circumstances at one point. While this drew attention of law enforcement, nothing came of it. Author and investigator Tom O'Neill spoke with those in law enforcement who knew Manson, or handled his case. None could explain how/why Manson remained free after numerous parole violations. Once person who had been in law enforcement during those years, and knew of Manson at the time said it was very strange that Manson seemed to skate every time he violated parole. Another person in law enforcement felt that Manson was allowed to remain free for a reason that they couldn't explain.
For those interested, I can't recommend enough Tom O'Neills' book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties
Sheer incompetence from the parole department nothing more.
There have been rumors that Manson was an FBI informant for drug investigations. Manson was involved, had contacts, and his years being inside would have made him an ideal snitch. If this is the case, it could explain why his parole officer didn't take steps to revoke Manson's parole. As it is, Manson leaving SF for LA without permission was a violation that could have gotten his parole revoked. It isn't unheard of for the FBI to shield its sources and step in to prevent local law enforcement from taking actions against them with respect to things like parole violations. There are other rumors that Manson was involved in the CIA's MK Ultra LSD scandal, but that seems like an unsupported conspiracy theory.
@@fredaaron762 Just wondering why then they would have just left him to spend the rest of his days in a prison cell, after being convicted, and he never once protested against what happened to him. Why would he have just allowed himself to languish the rest of his day in a prison cell? If he had been a bonafide FBI informant and a collaborator, how impossible would it have been for him to have been "killed" in prison and/or then just basically disappeared from his cell forever?
@@memoryfield all good questions. The FBI can shield informants up to a point (ie, Sammy the Bull continued to deal drugs in witness protection & the FBI made sure he never went to jail). But a multiple homicide, especially one as notorious as this, is beyond their ability.
Charlie don't surf but he sure the skates.
This was fabulous!!!!
Well done Sir 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you so much for saying so and also for watching!
Loved your whole series,very well done.
Thanks, Billy Ray. From Billy Ray. LOL!
I just watched several off your videos. Great job! Very interesting and informative. I learned a lot, especially being a guy from New York. Nice work.
Well, being a guy from Texas (living in Utah at the moment) I always wanted to get out to the west coast and more specifically to LA and Laurel Canyon and really do a deep-dive into the history of the area. I had the opportunity to actually work a temporary job in southern California for four months and that my finally my opportunity to spend the time that was needed to gather up all this footage and information. We had a lot of fun with it. Thanks for watching!
watched each video put me on to your channel thanks for excellent series!
Awesome, thank you! Glad to hear from you. :)
Fascinating series - thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks so much for watching!
I did the exact same thing as dennis wilson. I started letting drug dealers stay at my apartment for kick downs of drugs, then couldn't get rid of them. When I heard that the police were watching the place I just got up and left one night after the dope fiends refused to listen to my warnings about the cops. I never went back because I didn't have anything of value there.
I've heard two versions of how Wilson left them at his place. One was him being the typical star and just letting his management handle removing them. The second was listening to an interview with Gregg Jacobson saying the lease was up, so Dennis left, and the landlord had the sheriff's department evict the squatters.
I have heard through numerous sources that between Wilson's place, CIelo Dr, and visiting Spahn and Barker Ranches, Melcher had a lot more contact with Manson than he ever admitted to.
@@ms8596 from what I have been able to glean, I think it was that the lease was over. Yeah it wasn't just melcher who tried to cover up his association with manson. There were a lot of celebrities who hob nobbed with manson. I will give you an example. There was a recent interview of Mark lyndsey of paul revere and the raiders on coast to coast radio show. He lived with Melcher at ciello for sometime. He came home one time and melcher was meeting with some record executives in the living room. Mark went to get a drink from the refrigerator in the kitched and he found Manson crouched down in front of the refer. He said excuse me but manson didn't move. A little while later he told Melcher about it and he said oh thats just charlie. He's alright. Then mark said on the interview that obviously he wasn't alright. This shows that manson was closer to him than he ever admitted. I personally believe that Melcher got mansons hopes up that he would get a record deal and that is what set him off. Makes perfect sense.
@@ms8596 Melcher was afraid of Manson
This is very interesting content! There are obviously many, many unanswered questions that we will never know the anwer to. Thank you for posting this video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
i was there....made my Journey from Toronto CANADA....WHJAT a TRIP
Great job! I never knew some of these stories!
Amazing. Thank you.
Thank you too!
The definitive book on the subject: Chaos by Tom O'neill
This series is epic!! Thank you for this!
So glad you enjoyed all of it and hopefully you found the playlist and were able to watch it all in order. Thank you for all of your very nice comments on the channel!
You should do a full on documentary about this. You’re really thorough on your research. I loved that you talked about Abigail Folger and all the things that she did in her life. I want to know more about the other people in this story. I watched a documentary about Dennis Wilson and his relationship to Manson. That was really interesting. I would love to see more documentaries like that.
We would if we had the adequate funding! But right now we don't. Thanks for all the great comments. We read everything!
@@memoryfield I hope you do one day because you would do a great job!
Another great video! Thank you, keep em coming!!!💖☮️
You got it!
I really love how your posts have a lot of info that most people have not heard before, and how you tie it to the area.
Billy, I stumbled upon your youtube channel and was engulfed by the Laurel Canyon videos. They were fantastic, extremely informative and entertaining. thank you,
Awesome, thank you!
I think that if Manson was there at the house and saw, even a glance, that other people were there. Since he was being run off by the owner then, he may have felt anyone else there was in line with the owner. So, Manson may have been humiliated in front of everyone there. So, I think that was his motive for ordering everyone in the house to be destroyed.
Manson wanted to be famous. He got his wish.
Thank you.
You're welcome! Thanks for watching. :)
I sincerely hope you go on to make more documentaries on this genre. It has been one of the best presented ever. Thatnk you Bro. 🙏
That's the plan! Just have to find the time to keep it up. Thanks for watching! :)
Poor Cass! Felt sad her life was so broken. You did a great job on this un. Hated to realize the drug dealers were hailing from Canada! My country ,but I’m 1/2 British too,,,,,😊
knew them Dealers I'm From TORONTO....knew them WELL blessing OR a CURSE
Now I feel like I need to listen to "Helter Skelter"!
Do you know it’s true UK meaning? No.not about Manson.
The swings @ the slides in the UK was my explanation of it.
Paul McCartney interview ….. computer outta power . Google the meaning if u disbelief me.
Yet another GREAT video! You bet I will be back Billy!
Thank you so much again!
wow! so interesting! never knew all that previous back history! well researched..
Glad you enjoyed!
Hello Billy, thank you so much for a wonderful video series on Laurel Canyon. I watched all episodes and thoroughly enjoyed every single one. Please allow me to add, you missed off one important resident - John Mayall the big daddy of the 60's British blues boom. He lived in Laurel Canyon from 1969-1979. Without his influence and inspiration a lot of the 60's West Coast rock bands would never have seen the light of day. He lived at 8353 Grand View Drive and the house was destroyed in a fire Sept 1979. Take much care. Regards
Actually, we didn't forget him. I was aware of where he had once lived but we just didn't have a house to stand in front of anymore! Apparently, that fire was just devastating and ended up taking out about half of that entire street and about 20 houses in all. With the way those homes had been jammed together in that area, and the difficulty the fire trucks have of getting up there in time it's a wonder it didn't take out half of Laurel Canyon. And yeah, he was an important figure of that time period and very influential to many musicians of his day. Thanks for watching!
Motives: I never heard the T Melcher, C Bergen specific prior crime scene creepy crawling story, although, I have not read the court testimonies of that story. I was born in Hollywood and frequented the parallel boulevard Topanga Canyon, as it is the shortcut when Laurel Canyon is gridlocked, and a more pilgrim-friendly 'hood. There always was a hostile to outsiders vibe in Laurel Canyon. and Benedict Canyon is still, “some say” infamous for 8/9/’69 day the music died. Great Job ! The artwork on the walls: Rock History at its best. Thank You
I believe that Melcher's telescope was not stolen from the Cielo house but the house he moved to after he had left Cielo Drive.
Why? I suspect you may be right but I have no reaal reason to support it. If the Hatami stuff in Chaos is right that he was forced to lie or be deported , Charlie would npt know Melcher moved. He did split all of a sudden and Polanski sublet the place from him through Rudi. Theres a rumour it was reakky can dyke parks looking for Melcher that day, However, Charlie was out there giving folks vullets and making crazy threats. Why didnt anyone mention this after the murders? Dennis, Greg, Melcher, etc? Melcher was a drunk by the time Tom O talks to him and he slips up and says he shouldve warned Polanski about Charlie. YA THINK?
Why?
@@scott33761 Manson asked Gregg Jacobson if Melcher had a green telescope on his deck in Malibu, and when Jacobson said he did, Manson told him "Not any more." He wanted Melcher to know he knew where he was living after he split from Cielo Dr.
I agree with you on that point.
@@j.b.delaney3444 Manson really wanted to be a rock star
Hi Billy love the series on Laurel Canyon A+++ you don’t know how much for someone who loves this timeline (Born March 3rd 1969) And lives in Australia & will probably never get a chance to see LA just how wonderful it is to take a ride with you THANKS!!!!
Very cool! So glad you were able to find us here. What part of Australia are you from? I lived in the Brisbane area for a couple of years way back in 1989-1991. Ipswich, Gold Coast.
@@memoryfield From Adelaide South Australia a big Doors fan as you can see from my name
Absolutely!
Tom Oneils book Chaos; briliantly pieces most of this together. Manson was a possible plant with weird connections and was allowed to operate. He had many permissions apparently. His parole officer knew what he was doing and kept pardoning him. He was allowed to travel anywhere anytime.
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You must be from South Africa (?) Kiff... LOL.
I was a teenager when this happened
Shocked the world
Yes, Tom O'Reilly book is a MUST read for anyone interested in this famous case, which proves that Terry Melcher lied in his court testimony and even visited both Spahn Ranch and Barker Ranch AFTER the murders...fascinating stuff he uncovers in this book, but great series here Billy, and the Cass Elliot element to this story is all new to me and I've also got to say we share an almost identical taste in music...which is to say, great!
I've often wondered about Melcher's testimony and its complete integrity. I think he was in total fear for his life and for others (like his mother) and that must have had a profound effect on the information he provided. Thanks for your comments!
Are you referring to Tom O'Neill's book, Chaos?
@@stk6mkt Yes, excellent book...check out his summary of it on Joe Rogan 's podcast too
@@ericleiter6179 The problem with O'Neil's book is that after he had brought up all sorts of information regarding the murders then at the very end of the book, he admits that he still had no clue how the murders happened and what the motive was. To me that was a letdown. He brings up some interesting facts and suppositions but never ties it all together. For me then I am left to go back to the whole Helter Skelter motive as well as a possible copycat motive to try and get Bobby Beausoleil off from his murder indictment.
Tom was honest. But he has lots of leads now and may have the answer
Enjoy your vids, I have always wondered how Steven Parent got in thru the gate,was he buzzed in by someone in the main or guest houses ,was there a bell on the outside of the gate in addition to a key switch ? Regards
That is a good question. I have read in the court testimony that the housekeeper who discovered the bodies in the morning stated that the gate buzzer was not functioning properly at the time. Parent may have even been told by William Garretson (in the guest house) that the gate buzzer wasn't working and how to get in. Either that or Garretson somehow let him in. But he was definitely not let into the property by anyone who was in the main house at the time. On the way out was another story. The gate was closed as Parent was trying to exit and he was going to have to hit that exit button to get the gate to open. Unfortunately, he was stopped by Tex Watson just before he was able to pass thru and drive away.
The worst source of information on this subject is Bugliosi's famous book, Helter Skelter. Anyone reading that one, should read about what sort of person Bugliosi was. Pretty reprehensible. The two best of the more accessible is the Family by Ed Sanders, and the Shadow Over Santa Susana by Adam Gorightly. The Granddaddy of the all, the masterwork and the *only* one you should read, if you're only going to read one - Chaos by Tom O'Neill.
I used to see the Manson girls sitting outside the L.A. Hall of Justice building during the Manson trial, on my way to junior college. They were some freaky people, with their crosses carved into their shaved heads and urging everyone to "drop out". The whole vibe of the city changed and you could tell society was about to change. Thanks for your series, I've got to go and visit the Canyon, it's very close to where I live.
Wow, that's a crazy story. Sounds like you were there living it in real time as it was all happening! Thanks for sharing.
Hello there, the incident about the cow, in Dennis Wilson mansion, i learned was brought there in order to make up for the amount of milk the Manson familiy swallowed , what is stupid, because they surely caused much more spending on other items like teeth fixing, using cars and gas or else, what a weird crow!!! Another detaill is that when Melcher split to Mailibu house, he left behind a lot of cats that Sharon took care of. Thank you for these interesting videos, I love the musical ambient on Laurel Canyon these days!!
Just discovered your channel. Very well done documentaries on these subjects. And I dig that killer 12 string acoustic you have hanging on your wall in episode 8! You’re so fortunate living in Cali in close proximity to all this history. Well done bro.
Such a tragic event.
So many disturbed people in the world.
Pure evil!!
Yup
Excellent
Thanks again!
Excellent time table and series of very strange and tragic events. I so wish Roman and Sharon had never moved into that house. 😪
Yes, as fate would have it that move turned out to be very tragic for them and for others.
Love your studio man
Thanks. Now if I could just get more clients in here to justify the $100,000 worth of recording gear... LOL.
@@memoryfield Wish I could help you out, Im a songwriter but cannot afford studio time these days
Nice drum kit 👌.
Thanks 🔥
I commend you for documenting all this. I knew some of it through the book Helter Skelter but of course, it doesn't tell you everything. I've learned a lot from these videos I didn't know. The connections (of people) throughout each video was surprising to me. Love these videos. Great job.
There was even more. But I decided to move away from the topic and go on to something new and much less depressing. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comments. Much Appreciated.
It is obvious that Manson was looking to create an event, not specifically revenge. Here are some little tricks to penetrate his way of doing things and not lose influence over his group: he asked whoever had to carry out a massacre to leave cabalistic signs with blood in order to create psychological conditions in the person to feel as invested as possible in what she does. It's like that in all areas, people always respect what is beyond them. One of Manson's tricks was to make his band believe that what he was doing had deep meaning. it helped him not to feel guilty and even to go as far as possible. Even scum simply don't want to realize who they really are. Very good episode. Thank you.
Excellent observations on the matter! Yes, Manson seemed to possess some kind of supernatural ability to control the minds of others. Each and every one of those people who went to prison after the murders, and the brainwashing began to wear off, expressed the feeling that they had absolutely no cares at all about what they did at the time and that they were devoid of any feelings or compassion for the people they had killed so cruelly. It was as if they had been completely stripped of all of their humanism by someone else and they were convinced that what they were doing was justified and correct, part of a higher cause. The whole story is just incredibly bizarre and hard to deal with, quite honestly.
@@memoryfield Excellent observation from you too Memoryfields. I'll tell you something else: Manson organized group sex acts on the farm where he was the dominant. He humiliated and sexually degraded in front of everyone. Why not do it in private? To have even more control over his guys who know when he knows what they are capable of inflicting on themselves, where they are. Group orgies weren't just kinky entertainment, it was more than that. They had a permanent psychological submissive function and... not just in Manson's gang. Additionally, scum who began to think for themselves were beaten or murdered in front of others to establish fear of Manson.
Obviously, in court, the scum were weakened, Manson was always at the hearing and with good lawyers under his control. None of the scum had one, for lack of money. None of them wanted their privacy exposed so they didn't confess to the crimes and followed whatever defense Manson's lawyer advised them for everyone's sake. Manson continued to pressure with his insistent stares around the court. The scum were denouncing each other to Manson during the trial. Manson kept the ranks. In this sense, there were reprisals carried out by people from the gang who were at liberty. It seems to me that there have been deaths and disappearances. The authorities of the order took this case too lightly. There was no confession. We are in the case of an era where, when religion or transcendence is a social rejection, the enlightened make theirs. the 1970s are more traditional for that. You will say more with the case of the white album of the Beatles on which Manson made a fixation. Laurel canyon is your legacy. Expand it!
Where did he learn such sophisticated tactics? He could not read well because he had dyslexia. Think pimps are that hip? Maybe CIA agents who had been experimenting on inmates in federal prisons using LSD and electric shock therapy taught him
@@arielbonzai462 Ariel, I feel like we're not talking about the same man. millions of French people have witnessed an interview he gave to a French journalist who came to see him. There is Eric Yung's book, which is very well documented and demonstrates his ability to lead certain people. Prior to the 1960s, he had decades of extensive experience with US jurisdiction and law. Believe me, he was more than terribly twisted, even a Satanist, because he understood that the system is a big liar. the people who followed him had problems with their conception of their place in society. When it comes to dyslexia, there are people who know how to camouflage themselves and even scientists don't recognize them. It doesn't fit badly. It is always in the system that we must seek the coherence of Manson.
@@arielbonzai462 Of course, he ended up in prisons where some prisoners were more dangerous than him, more cash, but does that make them more interesting? This is where you have to look for Manson's interest.
Sharon and Gibbie on bikes photo. Looking at it, they don’t appear to be throwing shadows, so it could be at noon time..? Does it matter?
You would make a great private detective Billy 🕵️♂️ 😉 Learnt new information on the Manson Murders. Many thanks 😊 from a big Beach ⛱ Boys 👦 😎 fan
Thanks. I think I'll just settle on being a musician who has never figured out how to make any money doing it. LOL.
Tom O'Neill wrote a good book called Chaos about Manson and the murders. It has lots of details too that you might find interesting that would clarify some of your points. He was able to interview many people like Terry Melcher. Some would not talk and had lots to hide but some did talk and he was able to get police files. So much to this story and the biggest part is that Bugliosi lied in his court case and prosecution. I think Roman Polanski knows a lot and you touched on a number of things that are far more significant if you look at them from a viewpoint of why Manson had so many young girls around him and what they were doing. Think Epstein. Blackmail ..corruption...who knows. I think Manson was a tool for far more sinister purposes and far greater powers. Knowingly or unknowingly. Look into the secret U.S. Military base called Lookout Mountain and the origins of the hippie movement that actually started in Laurel Canyon and Los Angeles not San Francisco like most people think. LSD and mind control experiments were going on at the same time. What was Manson accused of and where did he learn to do those things? All very interesting and Tom O'Neill's book brings up some interesting viewpoints. Thanks for the video ....very interesting. I am a drummer too from Canada!!!
Thanks James. So many great books to read... so little time. LOL. I definitely used chapters and excepts from that book and his theories but I didn't read it cover to cover. And to be honest, I had a gutful of this whole Manson story to the point of where it was actually making me a bit depressed. That's also why I never really finished that episode the way I said I was going to. I just moved on to another series. It was really starting to get to me. The photos, the descriptions of the crime scene, the cruelty, etc. etc. It's not my favorite topic, for sure.
@@memoryfield Hey thanks for responding. I can understand your viewpoint. It can be a very dark and depressing subject to investigate. I study the JFK assassination as well and have been to a few conferences on it. The thing I learned early on is not to focus on the actual event or events of a case and the horror of it but to put that aside and look at the information of what we are officially being told and then go to witnesses, testimony , files etc. that contradict or put things in a different perspective. It gives you a little emotional distance and allows you to think rationally and approach it in an investigative manner. Probably what detectives and seasoned researchers do. I think you did a great job ...on who people knew ..who they hung around with etc. The fact that Manson went to Terry Melcher's place after he moved out of Cielo drive shows that Bugliosi's prosecution was deeply flawed with information and facts. That gives credence to Tom O'Neill's book and investigation in my opinion and to some other researchers who have brought forth disregarded information. I think your series did a real service to shine a light on some of these lesser known facts of the case and I think is a noble thing to do for the memory of the victims and their families. You did it in a very respectful and matter of fact way that made us think. As Matt Damon said in one of the Jason Bourne movies to the daughter of the parents he assassinated who was always told it was a murder suicide, " I would want to know". I think there are many of us out here who would want to know the truth. I hope you continue even having Tom O'Neill as a guest!!!! Thanks from Canada.
Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon by McGowan brings up some interesting aspects of Laurel Canyon residents. Many of these "rich hippies" came from families involved in military intelligence.
@@WattisWatts Yes...I have seen some interviews with McGowan and it is a very interesting perspective. That is where I got my information from about the hippie movement starting in Los Angeles. Too many coincidences. As Robert DiNiro's character said in Ronin ...Rule #1 If there is any doubt ...there is no doubt. I think McGowan passed away not long ago. Combining his research with Tom O'Neill's might have proved very fruitful.
I also can only take so much of the gruesome stuff before starting to get nauseous & depressed. But, still come back for more later.
Hey you are a drummer. Cool. I was close to Jim Gordon Hal Blaine and EarlPalmer. Joe Osborn bass player.
It was about music. All of it. Labianca was too. They were in labianca n’hood looking for kaufman to get him, wasnt home, so went to the very next door to labianca. Its the music rejection - melcher GUARANTEED 2 albums and a documentary but went back on his word when he saw some things that went down at the ranch. Right or wrong; the rest is history.
Near Laurel Canyon is Wonderland Drive, which back in 1981 had a home invasion/mass murder which was reminiscent of the Benedict Canyon, Cielo Drive murders in 1969 in nearby Bel Air/Beverly Hills.
Ur videos r super interesting and filled with information that isn't known by many... Great job, man.
I appreciate that!
I lived in Seattle for a long time . Before that I lived in the desert in between Barstow and Death Valley as a kid when the murders happened. I was fascinated by them. In my twenties in early 1980’s I drove from Seattle to LA. I had the helter skelter book and found the house on cielo drive using the maps in the book. The first thing I noticed sitting in front of that gate even after all the years had gone by. The fence to the right up the rise in the terrain and the fence did stop and there was just a couple of strands of barbed wire. You could walk up that hill and step over that barbed wire. Infact when I was there there was a trail worn into the soil leading right up the hill to the place you could step over the wire. It seemed a no brainer to me that it was the perfect easy way to gain access to the property.
I lived in ridgcrest California. My mother told me years later that some girls who worked in the bookstore in town had shaved their heads at the same time the Manson girls did during the trial, also ridgcrest is on hiway 395 east of LA. On the way to lone pine big pine and bishop,. Lone pine is where Manson ended up when he was arrested at barker ranch. So he may very well had passed through Ridgcrest on his way to barker ranch. The same area as Ballarat and Trona California. Trona I found out was where Manson follower T.J. walleman lived .
I know barker ranch is in bad shape these days but I hope to go up there someday.
I’m watching your vids now. I live near Memphis Tn. Now and was wondering about the name “ wolf river music” . There is a wolf river near Memphis, any connection? Since living here I have learned about the vast music history here. I never knew about the band called Big Star ⭐️ here. The box tops and their singer from Memphis , Alex Chilton
The Wolf River is where our favorite musician of all time, Jeff Buckley, tragically drowned on May 29, 1997. We named our studio and our music and video production company Wolf River Music in honor of his memory.
Bishop, CA is where about 80% of all the edits to these videos were made.
@@memoryfield yes I know about that and I read about it when I moved to this area. Very interesting
Very interesting. I read a small pocketbk. written by a security person who checked on Death Valley and dis covered a burned up earth mover, worth a consider amt. of money. He supposedly put a lot of interesting facts re. the family who were living in an unincorporated southern area of Death Valley. He is supposed to be the one who broke the case. I had been to the hot springs in the unincorporated area of Saline Valley. The Manson family supposedly stayed there. I worked at Northern Nevada Correctional Center as a Athletic Dir. A older inmate who took care of ath. equipment told me the family lived a short distance from him in Death Valley, and came over to use some of his water. He remembered when the police came and found Manson under a sink on their property. Have enjoyed your other videos re the canyon
Yes, you are referring to Barker Ranch out in Death Valley. I thought about going out there once but someone warned me that it's very difficult to get to and that it can reach 115 degrees in the heat of the summer. So I chickened out on trying it, lol.
What was the name of that older inmate who was neighbors with Manson in Death Valley?
@@memoryfield There is a You Tube video of some people going out there, but I'm too tired to try to find the link, but its there if you want to research it. I found it after going out to Death Valley to do some photography and was prowling around the Internet to get more info on what I had just photographed. Pretty creepy place.
Back in those days to climb a telephone pole was easier. The reason is because the poles back then had climb handles on them.
Never heard the cow story. LOL!!!
Neither have I
Vmsmith,Jay did train with Bruce Lee. When he attempted to use it on Tex,he was shot by Tex. Things went sideways after that.
I was under the impression that Sebring was actually tied up at the time he was shot by Watson. Apparently, the victims all thought at first they were just being robbed and Sebring was vocally protesting the treatment that Sharon Tate was receiving in her stage of pregnancy. Watson became agitated and then just shot Sebring in a rage of anger.
And all of that info, of course, comes not from any of the victims but from the only ones who were there who DIDN'T get murdered. So it will always be hard to know what really transpired because we're only hearing it from the perpetrators' perspectives.
This is a GREAT series. Your research is second to none. You're obviously into music from the various things you have around your house but maybe you should consider yourself as a researcher too; you do it so well.
I first heard about the Manson family murders while up in Toronto and I read the Bukowski book while I was in High School and it was the first Teacher strike I went through. I read his book (I have a brain injury and can't remember anything from five minutes ago but I can remember the name of Charles Bukowski from 1970:). The book scared the crap out of this 13 year old. But what was going on in California also had an impact on us Canuckleheads. The Manson murders signaled the end of the period of innocence (see the reference to Don Henley there??:).
I was way too young to have known about any of the Manson Family thing while it was happening, but I certainly learned about it later. I didn't ever really even plan on including any of it in this series, but it was always just looming in the background and in reality, it really was kind of the thing that put a big halt to most of the good vibes in that area. People moved on and more music was made, but the whole cast of characters seem like they moved out (or died) and then the new generation kind of moved in and picked up the pieces.
@@memoryfield I think that you hit the nail on the head by looking at this and your thesis is that it was the end of the innocence. 'Prior to Manson' Laurel Canyon; as well as the rest of both yours and my country; were basically not living in fear. Our doors were unlocked and we basically had no trepidations. After Manson was different. We all locked our doors and bought bigger guns and started to rely on them. To the point where we are today; reeling from yet another senseless shooting in Texas.
I believe you have confused Charles Bukowski with Vincent Bugliosi.
How were there so many pictures of the Manson family cult, prior to the crimes?
Steven Parent’s father said in an interview, that law enforcement was SO cold blooded. He said they called their house to inform the parents that their son was dead. They spent less than a few moments telling them callously, then hung up.
So ugly
I saw 'Day of the Dolphin' at the cinema when I was about six. I think it was before 'Herbie.' (Marion Cinema). ??
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I really like this series…However wasn’t there more on the Manson story…and also John Phillips involvement…am I missing something??? Your research and knowledge on this subject, going deeper into the lives of these people is fantastic!😃
Yes, you are correct. There was a lot more and I finally had to just call it quits. I might pick it up again in the near future but right now I've been sidetracked with recording and producing another album of music and I just couldn't handle multiple projects at the same time. I still have a regular day job and I was starting to sleep in and miss my alarm in the morning, getting myself into a bit of trouble in that area, lol.
I don't think Linda Kasabian would have been to the Cielo house prior to August 9th since she didn't join the Manson family until July of 1969, just one month prior to the murders. Unless she had been there before she joined the family but what would the link have been between her and Cielo Drive at that point. The others I can see visiting certainly Charlie and Tex and perhaps Krenwinkel.
Yep. My bad on Kasabian. I agree with you on that and the telescope. I plan a good re edit on this one! 😁
Rumor about Frytowski raping Kadabian, She was a party girl and a drug dealer before she got to Manson A major bust in Boston and paeries at house next to LaBiancas with Harold True as host. A lot of these peple hung out together, Cass and Sadie. Tex and Melcher. Moorehouse and Wilson Wilson definitelly got Charlie into the fold, Melcher was more aloof His mother taught him to be wary of hnger on etc, He was an elitist as was Candy Bergan as children of stars they felt superior and cautious.
Nice cymbals…
Thanks!
It's easy to find Manson's music; just find the YT videos called "L.A. in the time of Charles Manson," "Helter Skelter: An American Myth," and "Cease to Exist."
Billy,you're right. Also,the killers were buzzed up on amphetamines and LSD. How much they remembered accurately is anyone's guess.
From whatever I've read Katy was coming diwb from acid. Sadie,Linda and Tex were always very friend. Linda is a tweaker to this day. She didn't say anything about it but the other two. Tex and Sadie snorted speed hidden in a baby food jar on the ranch. The stabbing so much and so forcefully is connected to amphetamine abuse. It seems like Katy probably got some too. Remember MKULTRA used acid then speed in rodent experiments that caused violence among them in dense populations. This is how Jolly West and Roger +David Smith set up summer of love kids who came to free clinic. The purpose was to create violent killers for war or assassinations. Maybe shits and grins
i saw gedy jazz bass, and signature sans amp pre amp
Yes, indeed you did. They both get used quite regularly around here.
Nice video. Of course the great movie by Tarantino covered some of this and fictionalized many parts, but it was still a great fantasy movie.
Cool, thanks! Yes, that was a great and entertaining movie. Too bad it didn't really all turn out that way in real life.
Charlie knew Terry didn't live there anymore. Just a message. Jmo
So the killings were a message to Terry Melcher?
I never heard the cow story before calling more details
I don't believe Manson knew that Melcher moved, it makes no sense. He would have attacked his new address. I also don't believe Melcher moved because he was terrified of Manson. No way would he have gone out to the ranch if that were the case. There is no doubt Manson's motive was revenge for being rejected by the music producer, though, aided by Dennis Wilson bastardizing one of his songs.
Helter Skelter By Sir Paul Mccartney From The Beatles
I read somewhere (either in "Chaos" or "Member of the Family") that when Terry described meeting Manson at his home to his mother...Doris told him to get out of there quickly and (temporarily) move in with her. That may help explain why he abruptly moved out when he did. She (Doris) was never called to testify at the Manson trial though. Don't know how true that story is..but Melcher got out of Cielo drive fast shortly after Manson showed up there.
Melcher must have really been intimidated by Manson and it was actually him that was allowing/inviting Manson to come to the house on Cielo starting in late summer of 1968 and up until about the end of that year. He was over there at the house on Cielo no less than about 5-6 times that year and he knew the layout of the house and the grounds. Seemed like Melcher just couldn't figure out how to keep Manson away and how to get him out of his life without angering him.
Manson and D Day knew one another from Universal Studios , but that She wanted to kept hidden . Manson worked at Universal Studios