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"Three thousand three hundred thirty three thirsty thrill-seekers threw themselves a party ." worked for my three year old granddaughter...every time she said "fr" instead of "th".
Not a submarine, but as a former Royal Marine who was in the specialist dive and insertion Troop, we are trained that after applying mines we have to make sure we are at least 800 metres away from the device upon activation. The pressure from an explosion is such that it can blow your eardrums out and cause air to be evacuated from ones lungs. The first item can knock you out, and the second air-filled pockets of your body instantly compress the gases there. This can then result in blood vessels becoming blocked, lungs can rupture, torn internal tissues and even a brain haemorrhage.
Fully agree, but I don't think the concussion theory can be counted out completely. I was thinking concussion before he started on theories, but hear me out. The simulation ran on concussion suggested an 84% casualty rate, but while this suggested 100% fatalities, that doesn't mean 100% instakill, which got me thinking. A dangerous pastime, after all. Let's start with the evidence we have and we don't have. The HLH was seen as it approached, presumably fairly well after it was possible to see it, but from which direction? What if the torpedo operation functioned as designed, but the delay fuse burned too quickly? How long was the delay supposed to be? That copper plate wouldn't even have had to be close as the HLH was in full straight reverse. Everyone would have know the importance of that and given max effort to crank as hard and fast as they could, right? But if they came in from the side in line with the wreck site, then they'd be going directly backward in that direction, and with momentum. Additionally, it can be expected that the HLH came in with hatches above the surface, since it was sighted at night, so deliberately submerging her fully at any point is unlikely, save by any swamping effects. But now, let's think about some physics. Think about the shape of her hull, and then consider this, that water is dense and can carry tremendous energy and air can carry far less. So it follows that when the wave hit, there was far less air coming at the captain, but here's the catch, I think. Since the air lost so much energy, the hull keeps it inside, where it bounces back through the gravely injured men in the other direction, but again the captain getting the least effect, and so still able to function, though mortally wounded. Yeah, now we're in the black magic zone. But you're a fellow service member, though I'm a Yank, so you know better than I do the mission-first mindset and what it can drive people to do. The mission here had two phases. Attack successfully was carried out, but from there it's retreat and signal success, which they seemingly did. Now think about the captain, because the crew would be focused on turning that crank, so everything else was on him. Under stress he could get pretty locked in on his objectives, so it's possible that the badly-injured captain, knowing he was dying focused on one thing only, firing that flare, per plan. Then he died, however long after. At any rate, that's what this USAF and science geek guy thinks. I kinda apologize for the length, but it's rare to come across someone who can clearly follow science and its implications, so I thank you in advance.
I just want to say thankyou from a long time fan in Canada. I know you're probably too big of a channel to read all these comments and you'll probably never see this, but your videos are so great. Whenever I am feeling overwhelmed, I find myself coming back to your channel to relax with your soothing voice and interesting stories. It calms me when I need it most. It's so wonderful to take a break from all the chaos of the world and just unplug for a while with an intriguing tale. Thank you for all you do.
I have followed the Hunley story for years. This was by far the most detailed and interesting tale of the mystery I have seen. An excellent film, The Hunley, was made for televison in 1999 which starred Armand Assante, Donald Sutherland, and Alex Jennings.
Well, that begs the question: who decided to change the trigger mechanism? I assume the successful test run was done with the rope mechanism, who decided that turning the Hunley into a sub-aqueous petard was the right move?
The South was known for their determination but not so much for thinking things all the way through. We also can't discount that it could have been a calculated decision to accept the sacrifice in order to remove some human error from the equation. Old men talk and young men die as they say.
Agreed! I've sailed on a lot of different types of watercraft, in some pretty serious weather at times, but nothing could ever persuade me to go down in a sub.
Yeah, I've always thought the same. I know that no combat is a cakewalk but I think after training and experience, I could probably learn to handle combat on land - or even in the air, even though I'm totally, obscenely terrified of heights. But submarine combat? I think I'd probably handle it okay for a day or two but the claustrophobia would get to me, then the idea of being completely encapsulated by water and high pressure. I think my nerves would ramp up to 100 and stay there until I was back on the surface.. I know everyone has strengths and weaknesses but it seems to me like long stays underwater in a submarine would eventually get to anyone - yet they manage to keep it together.
Caitlyn Doughty has a vid on the Hunley, except it also included the first two times it was used and everyone died. They cleaned it out and used it again each time. This was also a good episode. Thanks T2!
Thinking maybe the blast itself was mistaken for the light seen by witnesses, "i saw something" "Was it a blue light?" "I think so, we did it!!!" We all know at this point how accurate human eye witness testimony is.
@@typo1345 To be fair, the Titanic disaster (just like the sinking of the Housatonic) occurred at night, when visibility is extremely limited. Thanks to films, recreations, and documentaries, we often think that the ships were just as visible as in those recreations, but in reality there was very little light for the eyewitnesses to see by. It's perfectly understandable why many thought the Titanic didn't break apart as it sank. And as for the sinking of the Housatonic, I believe there was a waxing gibbous moon out that night, so visibility may have been much better, but I don't know how much of a difference it actually made. A blue light would probably stand out quite well and be very memorable in such an event.
I was wondering about the blue light! SInce you'd mentioned it, I was waiting for the "mystery explained...or was it?" moment, and you didn't disappoint.
My theory is one person, barely alive, desperately tried to message "mission accomplished" before succumbing to their injuries and dying. It's not like things like that haven't happened before in wars. That is the only thing I can think of that would explain the sighting of the blue flares. It would likely have been the captain, just before he died. Loyal soldier. Got to let my side know we completed our mission!
The "saved from bullet by small object" trope is true because of survivorship bias. Those who weren't that lucky simply couln't write a book or tell a story about if afterwards. I also have a great grandpa surviving WW1 because the bullet got stuck in his ammo pouch and didn't hit him.
A soldier in WWII was saved when a pocket Bible in his shirt pocket stopped a bullet. I can't verify this but it's a great story. Thanks for sharing yours.
I saw the Zippo lighter that had saved the life of a Vietnam vet. He had it in a display case in his living room. The lid had been ripped off when the bullet hit it, and you could see the bullet inside the body of the lighter.
This is a story that has always fascinated me. I cannot imagine how claustrophobic and uncomfortable it would have been inside the Hunley. The tallest crew members was 6’1”.
Caitlin Doughty did a video on it she toured a replica of the hunley and showed just how small it was inside and then she showed where they were doing the salvage work it was incredible.
@Jaggededge112 there is a replica (their best estimation of it before the real Hunley was raised) built in and displayed in Mobile, Alabama. It currently is on display at the Battleship Alabama park. Great park too, besides the Iowa class battleship there is the USS Drum ww2 submarine, a SR-71 Blackbird, a B-52, and much much more.
The fact that men could be found to volunteer again, and again, after the sinking and the death of all crew on the CSS Hunley demonstrates the absolute bravery of those poor souls and the desperation of their cause. I am just in awe of their whole story. There is a replica of the CSS Hunley in Mobile, Alabama at the Battleship Alabama park.
The men would not have necessarily heard news of the prior failures, and the labor task of cranking the submarine propeller mechanism was not a highly technical action so probably not hard to find a large candidate pool to sign up. Cash would have talked, too.
Was living in the Charleston at the time they raised it. Used to drink with some of the Honorary Civil War Guards at the Blind Tiger. Best moonshine I've ever had. R.I.P. Steve
As a military diver, physician, and amateur engineer, I have a theory; if the report of the success flare is accurate and we consider the vessel was discovered a good distance from the blast/wreckage of their target, it's fair to assume they survived the initial blast and maneuvered away. However, knowing the metallurgy of the day and that it had been sunken on previous test runs, it is likely that rust was developing in sealed areas of the vessel. These areas could have been breached due to the blast. These areas were likely filled with H2s (hydrogen sulfide), which a breath of would kill you instantly. So my guess is pockets of H2s were released from the rusting hull areas after the blast cracked them open. But, I'm only speculating, wasn't there any can't be sure.
As a Charlestonian, I absolutely loved this video and it showed me information even I wasn’t aware of. I’m already sharing it with some others interested in this.
Dude, I'm deeply impressed that you got the correct bullet! Half the time in these animations the entire casing comes out WITH the bullet for some reason.
You should have mentioned that it was the Author and Director of NUMA Clive Cussler and his NUMA Team that found the Hunley, raised it and helped to get it set up in the museum for restoration. He authored the Dirk Pitt, Numa Files, Oregon Files, and a couple of other adventure novel series, very entertaining author RIP, lots of his books to read though.
Well damn… this is how I found out he’d passed! I had no clue… loved reading Dirk Pitt and the Oregon Files. Dirk Pitt is actually how I found my dream car lol sad to hear that he passed
This! Clive Cussler gave me the first information ever, about this submarine and the sinking of Housatonic. It was incredible that he had actually made NUMA into reality. May he rest in peace, also.
Ooh! Hey! This one is a local story for me, I actually got to see the Hunley in its preservation tank when they first pulled it up before going on display because my uncle was part of it; being a captain in the Army Corps of Engineers, it was awesome to see the original in crystal clear water after seeing and being in replicas in museums.
The only thing not mention here is their light source, oil lamps. Those could have easily added CO¹ to their air supply, masking the early symptoms of hypercapnia. Its also possible that they did receive blast injuries that weren't severe enough to instantly incapacitate them or the effects were delayed
And since the captain was the one that triggered the flare, he could have been the only survivor for as long as it took him to open the hatch, signal and close the hatch.
@@randalldunning5738 a candle cwould still put off Carbon-monoxide, just less volumetrically. If the oxygen in the vessel was replaced CO and CO2, the crew (who would have been gassed from the work they had been doing) might not have noticed before it was too late and they couldn't recover. combining that with them probably suffering from the effects of the blast, they certainly would have died in their seats.
I am so grateful for a new video to watch. I've been rewatching the others.....happily. These are always so informative. I watched this one 5 times already!
I may be wrong, but at the 11:12 point of the video, my guess is they were all disoriented due to the concussion blast of the ‘torpedo’ they were aphasic and made mistakes. They passed out and died in place as the sub sank.
Co2 poisoning was writen off way to easely and is still my best guess You dont realize it untill it is too late and with a manpowered vessel you are even more likely to write those symtoms off or again realize it too late Also completing this somewhat important Mission might push ppl to and over thier limit The pressurewave of the Explosion could also have caused problems in Form of injuries and Lack of rational thinking Not killing them directly but making the Operation of the craft even harder
Agree and perhaps also add into the mix a captain that, given the lucky coin, perhaps thought himself somewhat invincible, may have ordered the crew to quickly return to port ignoring his own feelings of hypercapnia. His crew likely would not have complained since it's not in the nature of military men to disobey orders. A rapid return would also have hastened the increase in CO2 and thus the time to respond.
I was always under the impression that the first submarine attack was during or close to the first World War. I never would have imagined that the first submarine attack would have been all the way back in the American Civil War. That's one of the reasons why I love this channel so much. I always end up learning something new when I watch Thoughty2's videos.
The US Civil War had a lot of technology including: the ironclads Monitor and Merrimack, the Gatling gun, telegraph, railroad, reliable hot air balloons for aerial reconnaissance, rifled gun barrels and photography.
@@Svensk7119 Yup. The Turtle. It was supposed to drill into the bottom of a boat and plant an explosive charge. And the only reason it was thwarted was because the Brits used copper paneling on the bottom of their ships to help cut down on barnacles. Also, the operator of The Turtle was very much starting to suffer from high levels of CO2 by the time he got back to shore.
@@brokenwolves2142 It increases the total number of views: different audiences and searches respond to different thumbnails. I remember a UA-camr explaining it but I'm damned if I can remember who.
You're videos are awesome. I love how you do your research into everything. Thank you for your wisdom, knowledge, and love of the questions of life, history, and everything else.
Thank you Arran and the team Thoughy2. Whom told you those were useless facts btw? I find really entertaining, learning and thoughtful experiences all the subjects you bring here. I know that they may seem nerdy but you bring them in an interesting way. Thank you once more.
Great job recounting the war-time history of the Hunley. I'm not sure if there is enough details for you to do a full video, but you might want to look into the first unsuccessful submarine from the US revolutionary war, the Turtle.
I was living in Charleston SC when the CSS Hunley was located. There is now a museum there for the submarine and it's ongoing conservation and archaeology.
Dang man, I thought that immediately! Concussive trauma from detonating the torpedo too close! If the crew were knocked unconscious from the concussive force of the blast, that explains everything. The only bug in that ointment is whether or not the Hunley surfaced and signaled the blue light for "mission accomplished" or if that was just a false report. OR--- Hybrid blast theory #5 - the resulting blast caused concussion, subdural hematoma and pulmonary damage / pneumothorax / pleural effusions in the crew who rapidly surfaced, signaled, and then succumbed to their injuries. They signal, the captain shouts, "Ok men, let's make for the shore!" and they begin to row... but the men are in horrible shape, they struggle against pounding headaches and lungs filling with blood and bodily fluids, slowly becomming weaker and weaker as one by one, they lose consciousness. The last few men look around, but are incapacitated in their injuries, and simply let out terrified groans as their bodies fail them, and they too lose consciousness where they sit... A truly horrific fate.
#5 makes perfect sense, these were truly very brave and dedicated men, even if they realised they were doomed they would probably have wanted to complete their mission by at least firing the signal flare.
Hearing all of the possible theories led to a question. By what mechanism was the flare gun fired? The video shows a traditional hand fired flare gun. Is that what was actually used or was it some other mechanism?
I'd wager it was a combination of the blast wave hypothesis and the hypoxia hypothesis. The bent back casing on the stick, does indicate a close blast. But what if it only hurt and confused them. They would have surfaced and shot the flare with headaches and a ringing in their ears for sure. Which would have masked the effects of co2 poisoning. They went the wrong way, away from shore, which could indicate confusion. A symptom of co2 poisoning. I think it's a combo.
I thought too that maybe they were confused and went the wrong way by accident. Whether it be from lack of oxygen, or internal damage from the explosion.
I lived in Charleston when they brought her in. It was awesome! Everyone was on the bridges surrounding the city to see her. They had fireworks and 21 gun salutes fired from fort Sumter and mass celebrations for those lost heros who finally made it home. It was really something!
I really enjoyed Living in Charleston for 3 years in the Navy. Got married on Sullivan's Island, lived in James Island. Used to go to the point on James Island, which was one of the batteries that fired in Fort Sumter during the War of Northern Aggression. Quite a sight!
There is also the possibility that the crew realised they were asphyxiating yet chose not to surface. They may have decided they'd rather die than allow the enemy to get their hands on the new secret weapon, or maybe only the captain decided this and the crew simply obeyed.
I agree! It'd be easy to imagine that as a result of the urgency of leaving the attack area, the captain and crew decided to stay submerged, "just a little longer".
Imagine how brave those guys were, to not only get into a submarine back in the 1860s, but potentially also being brave enough to get so close to the target with an explosive. Truly these men were fighting for their lives.
This would make a great movie. The whole development process, the accidents, the attack, the final fate of the men. There’s enough to make a really good adaptation with a little artistic license about the unknown elements.
@Livefast Have you seen the movie Das Boot about the WWII German submarine? I'd recommend it for it being another take on submarines. I had the great honor of watching the German language subtitled version with my late father (USA WWII vet). We both speak German and both became claustrophobic just watching this movie.
The “hard object stopping a bullet” trope is so common because it was surprisingly common with earlier guns. People would carry knives with metal sheathes, coins, etc. these items could stop bullets because the bullets had a very weak/low penetration ability. There are countless stories of this happening in the past, thus it’s become a “trope” in the present.
In response to your debunking the asphyxiation theory: They might have had to sit at the bottom to wait for the other ship to leave the area, and by the time it did, hypoxia had already set in. If they got to the surface, fired off the "flare", or whatever the signal was, but then ended up on the bottom bc the crew was too far gone to recover from the very brief time on the surface, all the pieces would fit. I'm not saying asphyxiation is a good theory. I'm just saying that it could be a reason, just as much as the pressure-trigger of the "torpedo".
Love that you covered this story!! I’m from South Carolina and I don’t think the story of the Hunley is that widely remembered outside of the southern states here. It’s an amazing story though, so thank you for telling it!!!
Well, I'm an old white woman, but interested in all kinds of things. I'm from near the Mason-Dixon line and we have history, so maybe why. I was surprised with the info in this video, though. I don't think the main news has covered this story half as well as it is here.
This was so fascinating! It was already a shock that this happened during the Civil War but to think we may never know what happened to those men all these years later is insane to imagine.
Its asphyxiation, these men had trained on the sub many many times over, to submerge and to move around, very often they would feel the effect of hypocapnia and resurface. They were also told there were still a lot of air to breathe so they shouldnt worry about hypocapnia, after sinking the ship they shot the flare. Now they have to get back to shore, but after sinking the ship you would think there are ships moving to your location to find you and sink the sub. So you try to get away without being seen, that mean you were submerged, the first effects of hypocapnia were experienced but they still pushed on,there were still a lot of air to breathel, it was just discomfort after all, better to remain unseen and push on to safe waters, and they ran out of oxygen.
That slow they wouldn't have remained at their posts, they would have panicked and headed for exits. More likely fast carbon monoxide poisoning, or unsmellable toxic fumes from whatever powered it, you don't really notice it's effects until just before you lose consciousness, that's why it kills so many.
@@jdrmanmusiqking it makes sense if they kept postponing their rise despite the hypocapnia, and then suddenly the hypoxia starts and they start to get confused and think they are alright... its a plausible theory: human nature delaying for as long as they can....
AS some one who lives in Upstate New York I feel it is my duty to inform you that you are mispronouncing Canandaigua. It's pronounced Can An Day Gua and the ship was named after a town about a half hours drive south of Rochester and about a 75 minute drive WEST of Syracuse. The town is named after a settlement in the area by the Seneca Nation. One of the Six Tribes of the Iroquois Confederacy.
@@shanerand1672I don't think you know what upstate NY is. NYC is south of the rest of the state, generally, the rest of the state is considered upstate. It doesn't matter if you are further north than places like Albany or Syracuse or Rochester, it's still upstate, it's still north of NYC
I do enjoy your channel. I recently saw another Tube Story about submarines and they pointed out that you can not generate O2 through electrolasis using sea water because of the sodium. You get a gas that contains sodium or chloride which you don't want to breath. You need to use distilled water.
It could be a combination of the 3 and 4 theory, that they survived the blast but afterward they might not have been in the best of shape, They would probably have a hella headache and fellt disse and weak after the head trauma and would have a hard time to bread because the damage to the lung thaht the explosive created. So they might not have notice the sign of hypercania because they were already feeling alot of the signe after the blast and just went on until it was to late
This makes the most sense. After the blast maybe some, the Captain being the most possible since he was nearest to the blast, died or became incapacitated but enough that they thought they could make it back. Anyone not incapacitated or dead most likely had a bad headache with pain everywhere else masking any warning sign of Hypercapnia. Especially if the Captain had died, with any of the crew being able to send out the blue signal if he was dead at that point, since he would have been the most diligent person there looking for those signs. Also, them heading in the wrong direction would have also made since even if they were clear of the blast completely. It was 1864 at night and underwater. There was no google maps or even an understanding of what to do to reorient yourself underwater in a submarine.
@@brianc8916I agree with this, this fits into place with a majority of the evidence presented. And the flare seen on both sides could've been the blast itself, mistaken for the flare. The human eye is rather garbage at seeing in the dark
@@linda10989 could just be my interpretation of the video but it doesn't seem like it was all that far off land. Seems like someone could've found it just swimming our in the shallow water from the beach
The first time a submarine was used in battle was "The Turtle", used in battle against "The Eagle", a British Flagship, in the REVOLUTIONARY war!! But never attached the bomb, so while the "submarine" was successful, the attack was not.
Exactly, could be fluent in 100 languages but you still need to get it right. Standards aren't gonna slip just because you have more money than us bud🤣
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I watched the beginning, went to work all day, then finished up when I got back and was still like "wait, what about the signal they fired?". Super interesting video and very well-presented, as usual.
Hero is a subjective term that only goes to the victor(s). To them they were preserving their way of life and a common practice that was owning slaves. I’m sure you know many presidents had slaves does that make them less notable, no. It was a different era most civilizations were built on slavery. The Roman’s,Greeks,Egyptians all had massive slave workforces. Not all slave owners were evil most people that owned slaves weren’t large scale plantations but merely house servants to the land owner. They were/are hero’s to the southern union however things changed for the better and we get to say they were in the wrong however if the civil war turned out differently we’d say the same about the opposition. History isn’t as cut and dry as people think it is better inform yourself or you are doomed to repeat it
They fought for their beliefs and way of life, Like every group in every other part of the world at that time. And even today. I hope you are fighting the Asian and African and Middle Eastern slave trade STILL GOING ON TODAY. No you are just another dumb American virtue signaling
@@mRsprinkl1when I was a kid, it was common practice to ostracize gay people. Encouraged even. People treated them like they were less than human. I knew it was wrong and did the opposite. If I, as a child, and a straight BOY knew something as stupid and trivial as that was wrong? Southerners (and everyone else) knew something as objectively wrong as owning another human being and treating them like cattle was not right. The more I learn about that time the more I realize that the morality of slavery was never really in question. Everyone knew it was wrong. People justified it in plenty of ways but they knew it was wrong. They fought for it. They don’t deserve to be remembered in a favorable light. Sorry.
They were not “traitors”. No confederate soldier was executed for treason. They were no more traitors than the Founding Fathers even if their cause was defective compared to that of the founders. If those who blabber on endlessly really cared about slavery, they wouldn’t be flying Palestinian flags and supporting Islam, the greatest practitioners of slavery back in 1864 and now in 2024.
I was born in Charleston and this has always been a subject of great interest to me. What was even better was when they were digging up the Citadel's football stadium and accidentally found one of the crews buried beneath.
@akyhne There were 3 crews. The sub was brought up twice before and the crews buried in a hurry to prevent the enemy from finding out about the sub. Hunley died in the second crew. The first one was buried secretly, and the Citadel stadium was later built on top of them.
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it was overpressure from the torpedo exploding. it's not hard.
The second I saw the sailing ship I knew it was the Hunley
The first documented submarine used in combat was called the Turtle. Year 1776, against HMS Eagle.
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"Three thousand three hundred thirty three thirsty thrill-seekers threw themselves a party ." worked for my three year old granddaughter...every time she said "fr" instead of "th".
I watched him for a few months before I realized it wasn’t 42. Haha
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Glad I'm not alone on this.
Not a submarine, but as a former Royal Marine who was in the specialist dive and insertion Troop, we are trained that after applying mines we have to make sure we are at least 800 metres away from the device upon activation. The pressure from an explosion is such that it can blow your eardrums out and cause air to be evacuated from ones lungs. The first item can knock you out, and the second air-filled pockets of your body instantly compress the gases there. This can then result in blood vessels becoming blocked, lungs can rupture, torn internal tissues and even a brain haemorrhage.
So the bomb they used killed them. Possibly
Fully agree, but I don't think the concussion theory can be counted out completely. I was thinking concussion before he started on theories, but hear me out. The simulation ran on concussion suggested an 84% casualty rate, but while this suggested 100% fatalities, that doesn't mean 100% instakill, which got me thinking. A dangerous pastime, after all. Let's start with the evidence we have and we don't have.
The HLH was seen as it approached, presumably fairly well after it was possible to see it, but from which direction? What if the torpedo operation functioned as designed, but the delay fuse burned too quickly? How long was the delay supposed to be? That copper plate wouldn't even have had to be close as the HLH was in full straight reverse. Everyone would have know the importance of that and given max effort to crank as hard and fast as they could, right?
But if they came in from the side in line with the wreck site, then they'd be going directly backward in that direction, and with momentum. Additionally, it can be expected that the HLH came in with hatches above the surface, since it was sighted at night, so deliberately submerging her fully at any point is unlikely, save by any swamping effects. But now, let's think about some physics.
Think about the shape of her hull, and then consider this, that water is dense and can carry tremendous energy and air can carry far less. So it follows that when the wave hit, there was far less air coming at the captain, but here's the catch, I think. Since the air lost so much energy, the hull keeps it inside, where it bounces back through the gravely injured men in the other direction, but again the captain getting the least effect, and so still able to function, though mortally wounded. Yeah, now we're in the black magic zone.
But you're a fellow service member, though I'm a Yank, so you know better than I do the mission-first mindset and what it can drive people to do. The mission here had two phases. Attack successfully was carried out, but from there it's retreat and signal success, which they seemingly did. Now think about the captain, because the crew would be focused on turning that crank, so everything else was on him. Under stress he could get pretty locked in on his objectives, so it's possible that the badly-injured captain, knowing he was dying focused on one thing only, firing that flare, per plan. Then he died, however long after.
At any rate, that's what this USAF and science geek guy thinks. I kinda apologize for the length, but it's rare to come across someone who can clearly follow science and its implications, so I thank you in advance.
Can't similar stuff happen from sonar pings as well?
Sounds like exciting stuff.
From an American disabled Army vet thank you for your service to your country.
I just want to say thankyou from a long time fan in Canada. I know you're probably too big of a channel to read all these comments and you'll probably never see this, but your videos are so great. Whenever I am feeling overwhelmed, I find myself coming back to your channel to relax with your soothing voice and interesting stories. It calms me when I need it most. It's so wonderful to take a break from all the chaos of the world and just unplug for a while with an intriguing tale. Thank you for all you do.
I have followed the Hunley story for years. This was by far the most detailed and interesting tale of the mystery I have seen.
An excellent film, The Hunley, was made for televison in 1999 which starred Armand Assante, Donald Sutherland, and Alex Jennings.
Ask a Mortician also has a great video on the Hunley if you haven’t seen it!
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@@yabaodorigo2337 He turned 43 so had to be retired
You think this channel is called Thoughty2? It is actually called 42 with forty pronounced the Mike Tyson way
Sticky bomb
7:09 seven men simultaneously cranking one out 😂
The sub was full of seamen when it sank
@@homebrewznz3482 XD
I literally just came here to note the same thing 😂😂😂😂. Pervs unite! ❤
@@homebrewznz3482Brilliant
The cranking one out part caught me off guard
I was expecting it.
Yeah, I was picturing something totally different when he said that😂
@@myscreen2urs gd lol
I am so pleased someone called attention to that 😂
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Well, that begs the question: who decided to change the trigger mechanism? I assume the successful test run was done with the rope mechanism, who decided that turning the Hunley into a sub-aqueous petard was the right move?
Thaaaank you! ... I thought the same thing. XD
@@alexanderdaus3125 well... to give an answer... one could find jokes about which one of the two factions thought of the idea!
(this is a bad joke)
Most probably some brass without technical knowledge.
Probably the same person that put on an exterior flare gun so they wouldn't have to surface.
The South was known for their determination but not so much for thinking things all the way through. We also can't discount that it could have been a calculated decision to accept the sacrifice in order to remove some human error from the equation. Old men talk and young men die as they say.
Submariners have a special kind of bravery.
These were confederates…nothing but brainwashed morons
Just like maga
Agreed! I've sailed on a lot of different types of watercraft, in some pretty serious weather at times, but nothing could ever persuade me to go down in a sub.
Yeah, I've always thought the same. I know that no combat is a cakewalk but I think after training and experience, I could probably learn to handle combat on land - or even in the air, even though I'm totally, obscenely terrified of heights. But submarine combat? I think I'd probably handle it okay for a day or two but the claustrophobia would get to me, then the idea of being completely encapsulated by water and high pressure. I think my nerves would ramp up to 100 and stay there until I was back on the surface.. I know everyone has strengths and weaknesses but it seems to me like long stays underwater in a submarine would eventually get to anyone - yet they manage to keep it together.
Back then, they certainly did. The technology was in its infancy, and they must've known the risks of an underwater explosion.
A last minute change, perhaps initiated by a spy.
Caitlyn Doughty has a vid on the Hunley, except it also included the first two times it was used and everyone died. They cleaned it out and used it again each time.
This was also a good episode. Thanks T2!
For those interested, her channel is called Ask a Mortician.
@@melsterifficmama1808 Looks like her channel is using her name now but either search should work
@@melsterifficmama1808not anymore, it’s named Caitlyn Doughty now!
Uhm, this is also also mentioned and explained in this episode? The second time Huntley himself is onboard, or am I missing something?
Uh did you watch the episode? Lol
Thinking maybe the blast itself was mistaken for the light seen by witnesses, "i saw something"
"Was it a blue light?"
"I think so, we did it!!!"
We all know at this point how accurate human eye witness testimony is.
I mean just look how many Titanic survivors swore it didn't break in half when it (now obviously) did. The human eye can always be wrong
It would have been nice if he went over that exact scenario right near the end of the video.
Well, the two (or more) eyewitnesses to the blue flash reported it to be in a different location than the Housatonic, including the Housatonic.
@@typo1345 To be fair, the Titanic disaster (just like the sinking of the Housatonic) occurred at night, when visibility is extremely limited. Thanks to films, recreations, and documentaries, we often think that the ships were just as visible as in those recreations, but in reality there was very little light for the eyewitnesses to see by. It's perfectly understandable why many thought the Titanic didn't break apart as it sank.
And as for the sinking of the Housatonic, I believe there was a waxing gibbous moon out that night, so visibility may have been much better, but I don't know how much of a difference it actually made. A blue light would probably stand out quite well and be very memorable in such an event.
Terrific vid, thnx man
I was wondering about the blue light! SInce you'd mentioned it, I was waiting for the "mystery explained...or was it?" moment, and you didn't disappoint.
My theory is one person, barely alive, desperately tried to message "mission accomplished" before succumbing to their injuries and dying. It's not like things like that haven't happened before in wars. That is the only thing I can think of that would explain the sighting of the blue flares. It would likely have been the captain, just before he died. Loyal soldier. Got to let my side know we completed our mission!
The "saved from bullet by small object" trope is true because of survivorship bias. Those who weren't that lucky simply couln't write a book or tell a story about if afterwards. I also have a great grandpa surviving WW1 because the bullet got stuck in his ammo pouch and didn't hit him.
A soldier in WWII was saved when a pocket
Bible in his shirt pocket stopped a bullet.
I can't verify this but it's a great story.
Thanks for sharing yours.
I saw the Zippo lighter that had saved the life of a Vietnam vet. He had it in a display case in his living room. The lid had been ripped off when the bullet hit it, and you could see the bullet inside the body of the lighter.
A guy in Alabama told me that exact thing happened to him in WW2 .
Survivorship bias? Did that make sense in your mind?
Does it not make sense in yours? I guess you can't expect to reason with people who don't follow reason or logic to begin with.
Thanks!
This is a story that has always fascinated me. I cannot imagine how claustrophobic and uncomfortable it would have been inside the Hunley. The tallest crew members was 6’1”.
Needed a shoehorn to get 'em in....but what the heck....anoxia? Carbon monoxide from somewhere?
The first electric boat submarines always sound almost as bad to me.
Caitlin Doughty did a video on it she toured a replica of the hunley and showed just how small it was inside and then she showed where they were doing the salvage work it was incredible.
@Jaggededge112 there is a replica (their best estimation of it before the real Hunley was raised) built in and displayed in Mobile, Alabama. It currently is on display at the Battleship Alabama park. Great park too, besides the Iowa class battleship there is the USS Drum ww2 submarine, a SR-71 Blackbird, a B-52, and much much more.
@@Jaggededge112 I need to watch that. Thank you.
The fact that men could be found to volunteer again, and again, after the sinking and the death of all crew on the CSS Hunley demonstrates the absolute bravery of those poor souls and the desperation of their cause. I am just in awe of their whole story.
There is a replica of the CSS Hunley in Mobile, Alabama at the Battleship Alabama park.
If I recall they were paid a lot so permission.
Extra wild to consider they probably weren’t even property owners and have no real gain from the war or their torture chamber service
Kind of like the space program in the 60s. There were deaths involved with quite a few volunteers right afterward.
One of them was a Danish pirate. Before this event, he was paid by the south states, to rob merchant ships, sailing with goods to the north states.
The men would not have necessarily heard news of the prior failures, and the labor task of cranking the submarine propeller mechanism was not a highly technical action so probably not hard to find a large candidate pool to sign up. Cash would have talked, too.
Was living in the Charleston at the time they raised it. Used to drink with some of the Honorary Civil War Guards at the Blind Tiger. Best moonshine I've ever had.
R.I.P. Steve
As a military diver, physician, and amateur engineer, I have a theory; if the report of the success flare is accurate and we consider the vessel was discovered a good distance from the blast/wreckage of their target, it's fair to assume they survived the initial blast and maneuvered away. However, knowing the metallurgy of the day and that it had been sunken on previous test runs, it is likely that rust was developing in sealed areas of the vessel. These areas could have been breached due to the blast. These areas were likely filled with H2s (hydrogen sulfide), which a breath of would kill you instantly. So my guess is pockets of H2s were released from the rusting hull areas after the blast cracked them open. But, I'm only speculating, wasn't there any can't be sure.
I tell ya... We get the notification, we watch.....thanks T2. Another learning experience.
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As a Charlestonian, I absolutely loved this video and it showed me information even I wasn’t aware of. I’m already sharing it with some others interested in this.
Dude, I'm deeply impressed that you got the correct bullet! Half the time in these animations the entire casing comes out WITH the bullet for some reason.
You should have mentioned that it was the Author and Director of NUMA Clive Cussler and his NUMA Team that found the Hunley, raised it and helped to get it set up in the museum for restoration. He authored the Dirk Pitt, Numa Files, Oregon Files, and a couple of other adventure novel series, very entertaining author RIP, lots of his books to read though.
Well damn… this is how I found out he’d passed! I had no clue… loved reading Dirk Pitt and the Oregon Files. Dirk Pitt is actually how I found my dream car lol sad to hear that he passed
This! Clive Cussler gave me the first information ever, about this submarine and the sinking of Housatonic. It was incredible that he had actually made NUMA into reality. May he rest in peace, also.
Well I have 2 of his books on book shelf should read them sometimes I think I only buy second hand books just look more intelligent
The Oregon is the model for what I’m going to do when I someday become wildly rich
Clive Cussler wrote a book many years ago called "Raise the Titanic" - long before the wreck was ever found - that was a pretty good spy novel.
Petition to bring back the mustache.
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The mustache was amazing wish it didn't go away
Mustache ride?
Ooh! Hey! This one is a local story for me, I actually got to see the Hunley in its preservation tank when they first pulled it up before going on display because my uncle was part of it; being a captain in the Army Corps of Engineers, it was awesome to see the original in crystal clear water after seeing and being in replicas in museums.
Question: What do you call a dog in a submarine?
Answer: a subwoofer
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gdi I laughed at a dog dad joke
☝️I know, I know. A Labramarine! Hahahahahahaha!
@@Compliment_Thief Lol 🤣
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@@Onora619we call them dag jokes🙃
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The only thing not mention here is their light source, oil lamps. Those could have easily added CO¹ to their air supply, masking the early symptoms of hypercapnia.
Its also possible that they did receive blast injuries that weren't severe enough to instantly incapacitate them or the effects were delayed
And since the captain was the one that triggered the flare, he could have been the only survivor for as long as it took him to open the hatch, signal and close the hatch.
I do not recall an oil lamp being found in the excavation of the silt in the Huntley. They did find a candle near the captain’s station.
@@randalldunning5738 a candle cwould still put off Carbon-monoxide, just less volumetrically. If the oxygen in the vessel was replaced CO and CO2, the crew (who would have been gassed from the work they had been doing) might not have noticed before it was too late and they couldn't recover. combining that with them probably suffering from the effects of the blast, they certainly would have died in their seats.
I am so grateful for a new video to watch. I've been rewatching the others.....happily. These are always so informative. I watched this one 5 times already!
I may be wrong, but at the 11:12 point of the video, my guess is they were all disoriented due to the concussion blast of the ‘torpedo’ they were aphasic and made mistakes. They passed out and died in place as the sub sank.
And maybe they didn’t realize the co2 symptoms because they were already confused from the blast?
Confusion and disorientation as well as unconsciousness is common to explosion induced concusdions.
Your flushing out makes sense enough to me, I'll take it :D
Co2 poisoning was writen off way to easely and is still my best guess
You dont realize it untill it is too late and with a manpowered vessel you are even more likely to write those symtoms off or again realize it too late
Also completing this somewhat important Mission might push ppl to and over thier limit
The pressurewave of the Explosion could also have caused problems in Form of injuries and Lack of rational thinking
Not killing them directly but making the Operation of the craft even harder
agreed 100%
Also that blast could have damaged/ jammed the dive planes and rudder.
Agree and perhaps also add into the mix a captain that, given the lucky coin, perhaps thought himself somewhat invincible, may have ordered the crew to quickly return to port ignoring his own feelings of hypercapnia. His crew likely would not have complained since it's not in the nature of military men to disobey orders. A rapid return would also have hastened the increase in CO2 and thus the time to respond.
@@KarlEdmond Exactly, and final possibility : someone saying "it's a good place to die, no?" and everyone agreed...
When I watch clips of those mysteries, I often find some theories aren't contradicting each others. So, without further evidence, you could be right.
7:15 4 knots is also the top speed allowed on canals in the UK, my boat will do a super whopping 9 knots but I like the slow pace of life at 4
I was always under the impression that the first submarine attack was during or close to the first World War. I never would have imagined that the first submarine attack would have been all the way back in the American Civil War.
That's one of the reasons why I love this channel so much. I always end up learning something new when I watch Thoughty2's videos.
The US Civil War had a lot of technology including: the ironclads Monitor and Merrimack, the Gatling gun, telegraph, railroad, reliable hot air balloons for aerial reconnaissance, rifled gun barrels and photography.
There was an unsuccessful submarine attack on a British man'o'war in the American Revolution.
The crew (one man) survived.
@@kitefan1I think the Gatling gun was a few years too late for the Civil War.
@@Svensk7119 Yup. The Turtle. It was supposed to drill into the bottom of a boat and plant an explosive charge. And the only reason it was thwarted was because the Brits used copper paneling on the bottom of their ships to help cut down on barnacles.
Also, the operator of The Turtle was very much starting to suffer from high levels of CO2 by the time he got back to shore.
@@Svensk7119 No, it was used on very rare occasions late in the ACW, having been patented in late 1862.
Here before the title and thumbnail changes
Since he's gone the AI route he should use a better program for the thumbnails, they're usually cheesy as hell
I still don't get why he does that. To get his followers to click on it again?
@@brokenwolves2142 UA-camrs can pick 3 thumbnails and then see which performed better
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@@brokenwolves2142 It increases the total number of views: different audiences and searches respond to different thumbnails. I remember a UA-camr explaining it but I'm damned if I can remember who.
You're videos are awesome. I love how you do your research into everything.
Thank you for your wisdom, knowledge, and love of the questions of life, history, and everything else.
I live near Charleston, SC and the museum/sub exhibit is awesome!
Thank you Arran and the team Thoughy2.
Whom told you those were useless facts btw?
I find really entertaining, learning and thoughtful experiences all the subjects you bring here. I know that they may seem nerdy but you bring them in an interesting way.
Thank you once more.
It's obvious that they died due to dying.
A shortage of life?
Yup, they had just simply reached the end of their lives.
That is the cause of most deaths. Dying.
And the only question you or anyone can’t answer is.
“Hey! Are you alive?”
Acquired the abnormal status effect: Death.
😂😂😂😂😂
Great job recounting the war-time history of the Hunley. I'm not sure if there is enough details for you to do a full video, but you might want to look into the first unsuccessful submarine from the US revolutionary war, the Turtle.
7:05 insane wording 😂😂
I was living in Charleston SC when the CSS Hunley was located. There is now a museum there for the submarine and it's ongoing conservation and archaeology.
The dangers of under sea water is unimaginable 😮
I hate the ocean.
Dang man, I thought that immediately! Concussive trauma from detonating the torpedo too close! If the crew were knocked unconscious from the concussive force of the blast, that explains everything. The only bug in that ointment is whether or not the Hunley surfaced and signaled the blue light for "mission accomplished" or if that was just a false report.
OR--- Hybrid blast theory #5 - the resulting blast caused concussion, subdural hematoma and pulmonary damage / pneumothorax / pleural effusions in the crew who rapidly surfaced, signaled, and then succumbed to their injuries. They signal, the captain shouts, "Ok men, let's make for the shore!" and they begin to row... but the men are in horrible shape, they struggle against pounding headaches and lungs filling with blood and bodily fluids, slowly becomming weaker and weaker as one by one, they lose consciousness. The last few men look around, but are incapacitated in their injuries, and simply let out terrified groans as their bodies fail them, and they too lose consciousness where they sit... A truly horrific fate.
#5 makes perfect sense, these were truly very brave and dedicated men, even if they realised they were doomed they would probably have wanted to complete their mission by at least firing the signal flare.
Or some Housatonic crew member fired a blue flare as a SOS signal?
Hearing all of the possible theories led to a question. By what mechanism was the flare gun fired? The video shows a traditional hand fired flare gun. Is that what was actually used or was it some other mechanism?
@@jdougn2255 I was wondering that too. I wonder if they found a flare gun in the sub.
Looking into it some more, there are a lot of things they found, but I see no mention of a flare gun. It is possible that it was a handheld flare.
4:25 to get past the ad
You mean to get past the ad pushing selling rubbish
I'd wager it was a combination of the blast wave hypothesis and the hypoxia hypothesis. The bent back casing on the stick, does indicate a close blast. But what if it only hurt and confused them. They would have surfaced and shot the flare with headaches and a ringing in their ears for sure. Which would have masked the effects of co2 poisoning. They went the wrong way, away from shore, which could indicate confusion. A symptom of co2 poisoning. I think it's a combo.
I thought too that maybe they were confused and went the wrong way by accident. Whether it be from lack of oxygen, or internal damage from the explosion.
Thank you for yet another excellent installment! Bravo!
Always a good day when a new vid drops
I lived in Charleston when they brought her in. It was awesome! Everyone was on the bridges surrounding the city to see her. They had fireworks and 21 gun salutes fired from fort Sumter and mass celebrations for those lost heros who finally made it home. It was really something!
You do realize that they were traders no different than Benedict Arnold
I really enjoyed Living in Charleston for 3 years in the Navy. Got married on Sullivan's Island, lived in James Island. Used to go to the point on James Island, which was one of the batteries that fired in Fort Sumter during the War of Northern Aggression. Quite a sight!
Why are you and other people celebrating traitors who were Nazi equivalents that wanted to keep slaves around for their profit?
There is also the possibility that the crew realised they were asphyxiating yet chose not to surface.
They may have decided they'd rather die than allow the enemy to get their hands on the new secret weapon, or maybe only the captain decided this and the crew simply obeyed.
I agree! It'd be easy to imagine that as a result of the urgency of leaving the attack area, the captain and crew decided to stay submerged, "just a little longer".
Imagine how brave those guys were, to not only get into a submarine back in the 1860s, but potentially also being brave enough to get so close to the target with an explosive. Truly these men were fighting for their lives.
That blue flashing light was killing me till he said it 23:31
He has no idea 😂
Same
Great job!
This was an excellent recap.
This would make a great movie. The whole development process, the accidents, the attack, the final fate of the men. There’s enough to make a really good adaptation with a little artistic license about the unknown elements.
Lol - I just looked - they already made one! Best go see if it’s any good!
@Livefast Have you seen the movie Das Boot about the WWII German submarine? I'd recommend it for it being another take on submarines. I had the great honor of watching the German language subtitled version with my late father (USA WWII vet). We both speak German and both became claustrophobic just watching this movie.
Yeah, they made a movie some 20 years ago. But I don't know how accurate it is, concidering they might not have had all the facts at the time.
The “hard object stopping a bullet” trope is so common because it was surprisingly common with earlier guns.
People would carry knives with metal sheathes, coins, etc. these items could stop bullets because the bullets had a very weak/low penetration ability. There are countless stories of this happening in the past, thus it’s become a “trope” in the present.
In response to your debunking the asphyxiation theory: They might have had to sit at the bottom to wait for the other ship to leave the area, and by the time it did, hypoxia had already set in. If they got to the surface, fired off the "flare", or whatever the signal was, but then ended up on the bottom bc the crew was too far gone to recover from the very brief time on the surface, all the pieces would fit.
I'm not saying asphyxiation is a good theory. I'm just saying that it could be a reason, just as much as the pressure-trigger of the "torpedo".
Love that you covered this story!! I’m from South Carolina and I don’t think the story of the Hunley is that widely remembered outside of the southern states here. It’s an amazing story though, so thank you for telling it!!!
Well, I'm an old white woman, but interested in all kinds of things. I'm from near the Mason-Dixon line and we have history, so maybe why. I was surprised with the info in this video, though. I don't think the main news has covered this story half as well as it is here.
Heyyy Thoughty2 here 😄
Incredible story ... Thank you for this one!
Crazy that the last funeral from the Civil War happened in 2003
And the dead were buried under both flags, Confederate and Union, IIRC
I was there .we gave a cannon salute with an actual civil war cannon. It was an honor.
@@stevegoff4209 Honest question from a country that's never had one: what's honourable about a civil war?
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As Axl Rose once said... "What's so civil about war anyway?"
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@@nickthelick Gotta admit, that line was going through my head... What a great song.
This was so fascinating! It was already a shock that this happened during the Civil War but to think we may never know what happened to those men all these years later is insane to imagine.
Its asphyxiation, these men had trained on the sub many many times over, to submerge and to move around, very often they would feel the effect of hypocapnia and resurface. They were also told there were still a lot of air to breathe so they shouldnt worry about hypocapnia, after sinking the ship they shot the flare.
Now they have to get back to shore, but after sinking the ship you would think there are ships moving to your location to find you and sink the sub. So you try to get away without being seen, that mean you were submerged, the first effects of hypocapnia were experienced but they still pushed on,there were still a lot of air to breathel, it was just discomfort after all, better to remain unseen and push on to safe waters, and they ran out of oxygen.
Nah that doesnt make sense. No way they all wouldve just say still and waited for death
That slow they wouldn't have remained at their posts, they would have panicked and headed for exits. More likely fast carbon monoxide poisoning, or unsmellable toxic fumes from whatever powered it, you don't really notice it's effects until just before you lose consciousness, that's why it kills so many.
@@alisonjmiller5339 The power was human: literally 7 of the 8 men turned a hand-crank to turn the prop. There was no power source to make any fumes.
@@jdrmanmusiqking it makes sense if they kept postponing their rise despite the hypocapnia, and then suddenly the hypoxia starts and they start to get confused and think they are alright... its a plausible theory: human nature delaying for as long as they can....
@MrHws5mp well what launched the fast moving torpedo?? Who hand cranked that, Superman??
That makes the most sense of any theory I'd heard previously. Thanks.
AS some one who lives in Upstate New York I feel it is my duty to inform you that you are mispronouncing Canandaigua. It's pronounced Can An Day Gua and the ship was named after a town about a half hours drive south of Rochester and about a 75 minute drive WEST of Syracuse. The town is named after a settlement in the area by the Seneca Nation. One of the Six Tribes of the Iroquois Confederacy.
🫡 thank you
Upstaters unite !!! 🙌
Yall really live upstate or you one of those syracuse south lads that thinks anything north of there is upstate ?watertown north is upstate 😅
@shanerand1672 I don’t consider myself as living in upstate. The people in NYC think this is upstate. But live In CNY
@@shanerand1672I don't think you know what upstate NY is. NYC is south of the rest of the state, generally, the rest of the state is considered upstate. It doesn't matter if you are further north than places like Albany or Syracuse or Rochester, it's still upstate, it's still north of NYC
I do enjoy your channel. I recently saw another Tube Story about submarines and they pointed out that you can not generate O2 through electrolasis using sea water because of the sodium. You get a gas that contains sodium or chloride which you don't want to breath. You need to use distilled water.
Making Thanksgiving dinner while listening to Thoughty Two! Heck yeah!
what u cooking
@genetics6238 Turkey, ham, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, stuffing, corn, green bean casserole, pumpkin pie, pineapple upside down cake, deviled eggs, rolls... Wanna come over? 😉
@@elizabethebbighausen9341 what the hell!!! yes please 😩
Well done, I enjoyed your presentation quite a lot.
I caught it this early? What a lovely day!
Fantastic video! Very informative and entertaining! Many thanks!
I love your videos so much I've been watching for years. My only issue with you channel is that you don't post more often 😂
I adore your videos and watch most of them. You make history sound a bit more exciting than what I learned in school lol. Great job!
The aliens weren't ready for us to have submarines. It was definitely a UFO!
I was waiting for him to put aliens as a theory here.
The answer is always aliens.
Thank you! This is the most detailed investigation of the Hunley's crew's fate I have ever seen. Kudos!
1:34 I knew that and I am dutch.
When Americans fought Americans.
It was brutal.😰
Thanks 42 for all the great content you put out I have enjoyed it now for a few years.
It could be a combination of the 3 and 4 theory, that they survived the blast but afterward they might not have been in the best of shape, They would probably have a hella headache and fellt disse and weak after the head trauma and would have a hard time to bread because the damage to the lung thaht the explosive created. So they might not have notice the sign of hypercania because they were already feeling alot of the signe after the blast and just went on until it was to late
This makes the most sense. After the blast maybe some, the Captain being the most possible since he was nearest to the blast, died or became incapacitated but enough that they thought they could make it back. Anyone not incapacitated or dead most likely had a bad headache with pain everywhere else masking any warning sign of Hypercapnia. Especially if the Captain had died, with any of the crew being able to send out the blue signal if he was dead at that point, since he would have been the most diligent person there looking for those signs.
Also, them heading in the wrong direction would have also made since even if they were clear of the blast completely. It was 1864 at night and underwater. There was no google maps or even an understanding of what to do to reorient yourself underwater in a submarine.
That makes a lot of sense! I was also wondering about carbon monoxide from light sources and/or from lighting the flare.
@@brianc8916I agree with this, this fits into place with a majority of the evidence presented. And the flare seen on both sides could've been the blast itself, mistaken for the flare. The human eye is rather garbage at seeing in the dark
the gold coin in the end gave me goosebumps
The goat storyteller thoughty2, no one comes close.
Thank you for making these incredibly good videos on all these fascinating topics, completely free for us to enjoy! you sir, are a legend❤
If it was only 30 feet deep why did it take them 130+ years to raise the sub?
It took a lot of searching as no one knew exactly where it was. It was finally discovered in 1995 and raised in 2000.
Rising sea levels🙃
@@linda10989 could just be my interpretation of the video but it doesn't seem like it was all that far off land. Seems like someone could've found it just swimming our in the shallow water from the beach
I love your way of telling stories Thoughty2!!! Hyper interesting Video, well crafted. Thank you!
I’m at 11:05, but I believe it was carbon monoxide poisoning
More like salts from seawater made sulfuric acid in electrolysis or smth
That was my guess
Wonderful find. Well done, Arran
Aliens got them 🤘☠️
The first time a submarine was used in battle was "The Turtle", used in battle against "The Eagle", a British Flagship, in the REVOLUTIONARY war!! But never attached the bomb, so while the "submarine" was successful, the attack was not.
That's because the British warship had a copper plating on the hull so he couldn't use the wood screw to attach the mine...
True, but to be fair he is talking about the first time a ship was sunk by a torpedo. NOT the first time a submarine was used in battle.
@@VladDracul-c6o It was essentially the same "torpedo", a bomb on a stick. One worked, one didn't.
The attack was successful. The RN retreated from the Hudson River to New York harbor, giving the USA control of the waterway.
Thanks for the great storytelling
The first people who went to war in a submarine must of had a death wish.
It is 'have had'. No need to thank me.
@stoobydootoo4098 I speak 4 languages fluently and have a masters degree in corporate social responsibility... How many languages are you fluent in?
@@LonDonTaylor. Well, it is still "have had" no matter how many languages you are fluent in.
Exactly, could be fluent in 100 languages but you still need to get it right. Standards aren't gonna slip just because you have more money than us bud🤣
Well, I really do appreciate your time and great effort in each educational story. I always hit the Like Button! Thank you my friend 👍❤
What the real mystery is, is what happened to having no advertising after paying for premium. This is the problem with paying for premium subscriptions. They always find ways to sneak in advertising. I think I will drop my premium account.
What an amazing video! Very happy to have randomly found this channel! ❤🎉 incredible quality! 😲 insanely well done!
sorry, i farted in the sub and sank it
You're good buddy I love the smell 😮😊
I watched the beginning, went to work all day, then finished up when I got back and was still like "wait, what about the signal they fired?". Super interesting video and very well-presented, as usual.
I love your channel but the ai thumbnails aren't it, maybe try paying an artist
Let's not forget they were traitors who fought to preserve slavery. Not heroes.
Hero is a subjective term that only goes to the victor(s). To them they were preserving their way of life and a common practice that was owning slaves. I’m sure you know many presidents had slaves does that make them less notable, no. It was a different era most civilizations were built on slavery. The Roman’s,Greeks,Egyptians all had massive slave workforces. Not all slave owners were evil most people that owned slaves weren’t large scale plantations but merely house servants to the land owner. They were/are hero’s to the southern union however things changed for the better and we get to say they were in the wrong however if the civil war turned out differently we’d say the same about the opposition. History isn’t as cut and dry as people think it is better inform yourself or you are doomed to repeat it
They fought for their beliefs and way of life, Like every group in every other part of the world at that time. And even today. I hope you are fighting the Asian and African and Middle Eastern slave trade STILL GOING ON TODAY. No you are just another dumb American virtue signaling
@@mRsprinkl1immigrants are the new age slaves
@@mRsprinkl1when I was a kid, it was common practice to ostracize gay people. Encouraged even. People treated them like they were less than human. I knew it was wrong and did the opposite. If I, as a child, and a straight BOY knew something as stupid and trivial as that was wrong? Southerners (and everyone else) knew something as objectively wrong as owning another human being and treating them like cattle was not right. The more I learn about that time the more I realize that the morality of slavery was never really in question. Everyone knew it was wrong. People justified it in plenty of ways but they knew it was wrong. They fought for it. They don’t deserve to be remembered in a favorable light. Sorry.
They were not “traitors”. No confederate soldier was executed for treason. They were no more traitors than the Founding Fathers even if their cause was defective compared to that of the founders. If those who blabber on endlessly really cared about slavery, they wouldn’t be flying Palestinian flags and supporting Islam, the greatest practitioners of slavery back in 1864 and now in 2024.
Thank you for this very interesting video of Hunley.
Top notch mate. Another great story, very well told. Love it. Keep ‘em coming. 👍🏻
This is definitely one of the best videos you have made.
Love this Chanel. So much knowledge.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
I was born in Charleston and this has always been a subject of great interest to me. What was even better was when they were digging up the Citadel's football stadium and accidentally found one of the crews buried beneath.
Huh? The crew perished at sea.
@akyhne There were 3 crews. The sub was brought up twice before and the crews buried in a hurry to prevent the enemy from finding out about the sub. Hunley died in the second crew. The first one was buried secretly, and the Citadel stadium was later built on top of them.
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