The Roland FP 10 has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45 and then a P 145. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The Yamaha P 145 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 145 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 145, because the latter's action is lighter and no where near as good.
Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.
Yapp! So happy that I wasn't the only one who noticed! I was lucky that I got to play a grand piano recently at my distant cousin. I was recommended a P45 or P145 to practice. I ordered the P45, was about to pick it up at the store, and while they were faffing around the storage I played around with the show pieces. Obviously I was floored by the 3k $ Clavinova, and then I started to try out the cheaper ones. I tried the P45, and it instantly hit me: wait ... These just have weights, like harder to push. They said hammer action. And then I pressed down one key on the Roland FP-10 and it was ... 🤤 I would say like 80% real, if the Clavinova is 95%. So yea. They found the P45, and I sheepishly asked, can't I have the Roland FP-10 please? 🥹
The cheaper Rolands always have this typical piano sound that doesn't sound realistic to me. P145 CFIIIS sound should be a more warm than it is .. but at the same time it does sound like a CFIIIS.
@@jortepap Neither of these are supposed to give you super realistic piano tones at this price. But if you can’t hear that the Roland sounds more natural and less synthetic you might need some better headphones. The Yamaha hurts my ears.
I’ve had both piano at home for a few months. I also have a Nord Electro, and a quality German upright (Schimmel) I think the “natural” quality is quite subjective. And also it depends if you use the internal speakers or a PA system (we own a little venue, the keyboards are often played through the PA here) I think the Yamaha sounds more like a real piano 🎹 n frame my of you and the Roland has its own sound more spacious audience oriented. The Yam sounds very good if you EQ out slightly the top. The Rolland sounds very good solo but the yam fits/cuts better in a band mix I think. The action is better on the Roland. For the price they’re both really good. I don’t really like the Rhode sounds on the Roland (not really important) Both are great entry level pianos
New Frontier by Donald Fagen at 6:40! I knew it was from The Nightfly, but couldn't place the song exactly til I looked it up on Qobuz. Great job on the video man, just checking out since I just got a Yamaha P145 for my girlfriend for this christmas, along with a seat, support and headphones for just 415€. She's gonna love it.
She has an incredible Clavinova at her parents' home but she wanted something cost-effective that would do her good in our new place. We wanted to stretch to the P225 but it costs almost double with accessories. This 145 will serve just fine.
I immediately had a sense that the sound was Steely Dan, but I couldn't recognize the song. If it is, indeed, Donald Fagen, I guess I was on to something 🤙
I looked for an instrument to replace my old and cheap Russian piano after moving abroad. Imo the Yamaha sounds and feels far more like a piano than the Roland.
You should have bought a Roland FP 10. It has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45 and then a P 145. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The Yamaha P 145 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 145 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 145, because the latter's action is lighter and no where near as good.
Unreal. Having played piano for 20+ years on expensive digital workstations and acoustic grand pianos, the accuracy of the FP-10 piano sound at this price point has consistently made my jaw drop. I feel like artificial sounding mid-tones are generally a dead-giveaway when you're dealing with lower cost instruments, but the FP-10 just sings in the middle register. Add in the nice touches like the escapement and the textured keys, and I think you really can't ask for a better stand-in for a real piano. For what it's worth, I love Yamaha, and the P-145 sounds great, here, too. Better than probably 80% of keyboards I've heard. It's just unfortunately matched up against a real freak of nature.
@@Untilitpases Which clicking noise are you talking about? I'm looking at these models, along SP280 from Korg and some other. Difficult deciding without getting to try them in person.
@@JamieRIt's a noise that all digital pianos in this price range make, it's not a big deal unless you're someone full of anxiety. If you have doubts, I recommend that you find a place to try
@jaywalker That's curious because Yamaha piano sounds are typically more popular, though of course these things being very subjective anyway. Myself, I disliked the FP range, precisely because of what I and many others labelled as weak mids and booming bass, this until the X versions came out. I even returned my FP-50 in disgust. I guess there are different ways of analysing mids, but at this pricepoint (FP-10) users are very lucky to get the PHA-4 action, and fine subjective issues of sound become a bit silly anyway. I'm sure it's a good buy. Glad you enjoy it.
IMO while the Roland has a slightly heavier more realistic key action, it has a more 'tinny' sound. These Rolands use the 'SuperNATURAL' sound engine, which is just a computer modeling technology that tries to recreate a piano sound, there are no real piano samples; unlike the Yamaha which uses sampling from a real CFX grand piano.
It sound like "Im not in love" (10 cc). I´m thinking about buying on of those, since I own a Yamaha Electone Stagea ELB01 organ, but want to take piano lessons and need weighted keys. I´m a Yamaha Fan, but in Amazon Mexico the Roland is 300 dlls cheaper (600dlls vs 900dlls). Thank´s for the review.
0:15 vs 0:28 I feel that the Yamaha sounds a bit better or more full but the Roland is smoother to play. At least he immediately plays better on the Roland than on the Yamaha...
Seems to me like the best option is an FP 10 (for what seems to be the best action for any keyboard at that price point), coupled with an external speaker and a VST. All for about $600-800 - assuming you have a computer to plug into.
Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.
My son has an old keyboard that's gradually breaking down, but without any formal classes and just by practicing with small tutorials on UA-cam, I've realized he has a special talent and interest in playing melodies on the keyboard. Now, I’ve decided to buy a new keyboard for my 10-year-old son. Which one would you recommend?
PHA-4 has a completely different feel from GHC. I had both. GHC is very “springy” and does not resemble acoustic piano action at all (I play on Yamaha C7)
@capri2673 An interesting aspect of PHA-4 is that it seems to have changed recently. The feel and lubrication must have changed. To answer your question - I like PHA-4 in my recently bought RD-08.
I have an fp10 and i love it but it has its limitaions. I love it with good headphones on. The underpowered speakers and the clicking sound of the keys makes it a bad experience.
fp10 for me the sound , sound like a real piano. the yamaha seems like the change of pressure doesnt matter . yahama -> output sounds fp10 -> output emotions.
I hope your choice was a Roland FP 10. It has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45 and then a P 145. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The Yamaha P 145 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 145 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 145, because the latter's action is lighter and no where near as good.
@@P4P1KplWhich piano? I play Yamaha C7 - its action is light (47g to move C4). PHA-4 action needs 64g to move C4. PHA-4 develops clicking noise after 3-4 month of use (I had three digital pianos with PHA-4)
@@mfurman They are pretty heavy, the closest one i have tried to feeling like a real piano which i feel is lighter than the yamaha by a large amount was the korg b2. And even that one has a version with even lighter action.
@@majortom4543 The problem with PHA-4 is that it not only develops clicking noise after a few months of intensive use but (as it happened with my most recent Roland digital piano) has a tendency to increase the required downweight. I returned (after three months of use) this piano after I discovered that C4 needs 72g to move. Thank you for the advice about Korg. I will check it out (I am currently renting P-225).
Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.
There is no comparison between the onboard speakers, and that is a shame. The FP-10 is let down a bit by these according to many viewers on other channels. And, there is no indication in the user manual that extra speakers can be attached without cancelling these speakers altogether. The PHA-4 action on the FP-10 does seem to be an advantage, particularly with classical music, though absolute beginners won't benefit at all IMO. The samples on both pianos are pretty good for the price, so any pros and cons regarding them are purely subjective. It's easy to pick holes in entry level pianos. For those who are disappointed by these two models, remember that you aren't forced to buy main brand at entry level. You get more features on, for example, an Alesis Prestige/Prestige Artist.
Anything plugged in the FP-10's output jack shuts off the onboard speakers. This behavior can be overridden using the function key and volume keys as indicated on page 8 of the manual. The sound is so much better through good headphones or speakers it's amazing.
@@bettermusicI dare to say this is very personal. I would try both. I did. Between the FP-10 and Casio CDP-S100 I chose the second one because the action was much better for me, my hand feel etc... Again, this was me! It is obviously different for you but could be the same for other people. Try it for yourself! :)
I bought the Casio a couple years ago when Rolands were out of stock. I did not like the Casio sound, it's like they overdid the hammer sound or something, some notes had what sounded like the banging of a construction nailer outside. I sold it and now have an FP10, absolutely the better option.
@@McEPiano Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.
I don't know but for me,I really love the sounds of both models.Roland has that bright and warm sound while Yamaha has that deep and seemingly an opposite vibes on the sound compared to Roland.I think the choice is kind of depends (for me)on what music you will play.If you like to play classical music that mostly insist of that joyous vibes Roland is I think a good choice adds up for the jazz as well.Yamaha mean while I think suits better on Classical music that consists of that negative or sad vibes.I guess it would be good to play Chopin there😂
Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.
I just bought the fp10 but i am a little afraid since people complain about click sounds on the black keys. My main use will be to use it with cubase and vst instruments and it was quite cheap (373 euro) . Did i do a good buy or would you suggest looking at the casio s110 as well? Reason i bought it is to have a real piano feel when playing and recording
Yesterday I was at music shop. I wanted Roland FP10 but seller told me that Casio CDP-S110 is better. He lied me. I check specifications of them and there is a difference in polyphony. Roland = 96 voices and Casio = 64. There is a few things more. Overall I would take Roland in this comparison. Now I'm focus on Yamaha vs Roland and soon I would start my piano journey.
@@P4P1Kpl i went to the music shop last saturday and tested the Roland fp30x, the Kawai es210 and Yamaha 128p. It was clear that the Roland had the best piano feeling of them all. The Yamaha was the worst and felt plastic and the feeling just wasn’t there. The Kawai sounded amazing but the keyboard action was too light. I could not play soft, everything sounded equally loud. The Roland though had the feeling i know from a real piano, just like the piano at my parents. Also tried the pf10 but i heard the keys while playing. Conclusion is that the pf30x is the best choice.
@@WVMUSIC_NL thank you. I watched many reviews and all are saying what you told. Roland = real piano feeling. That is what I'm looking for. I would start my lessons soon (youtube and by my self) I don't want to waste my time to play on plastic toy. I want to teach my fingers properly. 30X is awesome but a bit expensive. I mean I could buy it but my wife would definitely kill me for that. 😂
what's the key action cut off point on both the pianos like? Are they similar to an acoustic piano or does it get to a point where you just cant play a note/ it wont register. I've got an upright piano in my living room, however, I've been thinking of getting the Roland FP-10 as I get home from work quite late which means I can only really practice on my days off haha.
Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.
Hey thank you for your beautiful reviews😍❗🙋🏽♀️ my 8 yrs old son is starting to learn piano. Yes I have read a loooooot of positive comments regarding with Roland's E-piano Keys. I will definitely buy the Roland FP10 with headset❗ 😍🥳 God bless you more 🎉
I'm a 48 year old guy interested in learning to play the piano/keyboard and therefore buying my first piano/keyboard. Is something like one of these two a better option when compared to something like a Yamaha PSRE-473 Digital Piano Keyboard for example?
What about the quality and the MIDI feeling, I will buy a P-145, I would have preferred the Roland for the sound but I have a voucher to spend in a store that has only the Yamaha. I would like to plug a Keyscape into my DAW. I heard that the MIDI was good on the Roland and not on the P-45.
I am a beginner and didn't understand the bit about the sustain pedal. Is the FP10 not compatible with 3 pedals or is it just shipped with 1 and we'll have to buy the 3 pedal unit separately?
The roland fp 10 is not compatible with the 3 pedal unit. Meaning, you cannot use a 3 pedal unit on this piano. if you're a beginner, you most likely would not need it and would just need a sustain pedal :D You will be shipped with just a single sustain pedal with the piano afaik and i would recommend to get a proper pedal type to recreate the feel of playing on the real piano.
whats the difference between a "entry level piano" and a professional or intermediate piano i see "entry level" used in many pianos and have no idea what it means does this mean the piano is meant to be upgraded from us the piano lacking alot of what it should be having for a real piano player????
Roland absolutely blows the Yamaha out of the water here in terms of sound. You can really tell with the example around 6:50... the Yamaha just sounds so digital while the Roland is much more authentic.
Por lo que tengo entendido esa melodía pertenece a la agrupación británica 10cc de los años 70, la canción es " I' not in love". Saludos cordiales desde La Rioja, Argentina
For me Yamaha has the more realistic sound. I don't know why by comparing pianio or keybord from Yamaha with Korg or Roland Yamaha sound's best for me ...
@@filipelopes2450Entre distintas marcas es un poco complicado, ya que depende de gustos, sin embargo el P125 anteriormente competía con el Roland FP30X así que puede decirse que es "mejor", pero la verdad es que depende de gustos. Yo probé ambos y en cuestión de teclas el roland tiene tacto marfil sintetico mientras Yamaha incluso el P225 tiene teclas lisas. Ambos son buenos pianos pero sugiero probarlos o escucharlos
agree. Roland sounds warmer/more round .. but also a bit fake. Yamaha sounds much more like a real piano. P145 also has a warmer sound as option which sounds great.
@@jortepap you might need some headphones my friend... the Yamaha had a very distinct digital sound to it in this demo. The Roland was almost indistinguishable from the natural sound of a piano. You have a Yamaha so obviously you would think it sound better to justify your purchase. Besides, it's not that important anyway. You can get some incredible piano VSTs and just use a computer. PS, I have a Yamaha Red Label Acoustic guitar. It's the best guitar purchase I've ever made. But even I can tell the difference in sound here.
@@evirs For me its really the other way around. Also.. the Yamaha samples real piano's. Roland has computer made piano sounds. I can hear this difference for sure.
I guess if you have the volume at a lower setting (1-2 dots out of the 6) you might hear some clicks, especially on recordings while the phone is close to the piano, but at full volume it performs amazingly and you can't hear any clicks.
The Roland sounded far more like a real acoustic piano to me. The yammy sounded digital. To bright and sharp. But, I'm very put off by all the comments about the Roland and clicky keys. That would drive me mad.
Depends. Real pianos DO have clicky keys - you normally can't hear them above the strings but go to a live classical concert and listen in the pianissimo passages and you'll hear them.
@@kenoliver8913 Sorry, I didn't think I would need to explain the difference between the natural soft click of an actual acoustic piano, and the factory sticking click of a defective digital piano. This is a known fault of the Roland due to incorrect storage of the keyboards in the warehouse - it is a bug, not a design feature meant to replicate a real piano.
@@jortepap Strange how we all perceive things differently. The Yamaha sounds obviously digital to me. The Roland sounds almost identical to an acoustic piano to my ears. It's a wonderfully convincing sound.
You honestly get use to it and don't even notice it anymore. I was very picky at first, but you have tje option to grease them again if you want, but I honestly dont even notice anymore. Roland action is also much more advanced so alot of moving parts. I honestly get swooped away by how good the sounds is and feels.
@@ralr1411 @ralr1411 Boton GRAND PIANO FUNCTION + la quinta tecla La (A), quinta tecla SI bemol (Ab) y quinta tecla Si (B), quinta tecla desde la mas grave a la mas aguda. de izquierda a derecha. Te recomiendo ir a la pagina de Yamaha y en la seccion descargar buscas para el P145 y buscas el documento "Quick Operation Guide" ya que UA-cam no me deja colocar el link directo aqui, me lo borra
Para que sea nivel de entrada o en mi opinión gama baja es que tiene lo básico necesario. Ya que hay otros modelos como por ejemplo el Yamaha P525 al cual se le han añadido más funciones y características para que se parezca más a un piano acústico
I agree. When my FP-10 wears out, I’d like to upgrade but don’t see any options given my constraints. I’m not interested in just upgrading the look. Another huge hole in the market is with folding electronic pianos. I own a Carry-O😮n. It has a full size 88 key keyboard. Awful feel and sound yet the best I’ve found. Good for perfecting my fingerings. I use it when traveling and it is infinitely better than doing without. A distant second is to learn to play the MIDI EWI. It is very small, can drive headphones, and costs less than $100. It can help me with note recognition on the treble clef staff. I’ve played it in doctor’s waiting rooms and airplanes.
The Roland FP 10 has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45 and then a P 145. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price.
The Yamaha P 145 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 145 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 145, because the latter's action is lighter and no where near as good.
Good evening.
Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy.
Thank you.
The p145 sounded way better to me in store when I compared it to the fp10 in store. And the fp10 felt TOO heavy I didn't like it
Yapp! So happy that I wasn't the only one who noticed! I was lucky that I got to play a grand piano recently at my distant cousin. I was recommended a P45 or P145 to practice. I ordered the P45, was about to pick it up at the store, and while they were faffing around the storage I played around with the show pieces. Obviously I was floored by the 3k $ Clavinova, and then I started to try out the cheaper ones. I tried the P45, and it instantly hit me: wait ... These just have weights, like harder to push. They said hammer action. And then I pressed down one key on the Roland FP-10 and it was ... 🤤
I would say like 80% real, if the Clavinova is 95%. So yea. They found the P45, and I sheepishly asked, can't I have the Roland FP-10 please? 🥹
7:50 - 10cc - I am not in love
Thank you :)
The Roland sounds more natural. The Yamaha sounds sort of "enhanced" but still very nice. Tough call.
The cheaper Rolands always have this typical piano sound that doesn't sound realistic to me. P145 CFIIIS sound should be a more warm than it is .. but at the same time it does sound like a CFIIIS.
@@jortepap Neither of these are supposed to give you super realistic piano tones at this price. But if you can’t hear that the Roland sounds more natural and less synthetic you might need some better headphones. The Yamaha hurts my ears.
I’ve had both piano at home for a few months. I also have a Nord Electro, and a quality German upright (Schimmel)
I think the “natural” quality is quite subjective.
And also it depends if you use the internal speakers or a PA system (we own a little venue, the keyboards are often played through the PA here)
I think the Yamaha sounds more like a real piano 🎹 n frame my of you and the Roland has its own sound more spacious audience oriented.
The Yam sounds very good if you EQ out slightly the top.
The Rolland sounds very good solo but the yam fits/cuts better in a band mix I think.
The action is better on the Roland.
For the price they’re both really good.
I don’t really like the Rhode sounds on the Roland (not really important)
Both are great entry level pianos
"New Frontier" by Donald Fagen. Bonus points please
Think that's followed by 10cc's song 'I'm not in Love'
Your review is just too good! Very polite and straightforward. Cheers 🫡
New Frontier by Donald Fagen at 6:40! I knew it was from The Nightfly, but couldn't place the song exactly til I looked it up on Qobuz. Great job on the video man, just checking out since I just got a Yamaha P145 for my girlfriend for this christmas, along with a seat, support and headphones for just 415€. She's gonna love it.
She has an incredible Clavinova at her parents' home but she wanted something cost-effective that would do her good in our new place. We wanted to stretch to the P225 but it costs almost double with accessories. This 145 will serve just fine.
Oh damn good catch I knew that I knew it but damn I could not place it! I thought it was something Billy Joel at first haha
I immediately had a sense that the sound was Steely Dan, but I couldn't recognize the song. If it is, indeed, Donald Fagen, I guess I was on to something 🤙
I looked for an instrument to replace my old and cheap Russian piano after moving abroad. Imo the Yamaha sounds and feels far more like a piano than the Roland.
You should have bought a Roland FP 10. It has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45 and then a P 145. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price.
The Yamaha P 145 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 145 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 145, because the latter's action is lighter and no where near as good.
Unreal. Having played piano for 20+ years on expensive digital workstations and acoustic grand pianos, the accuracy of the FP-10 piano sound at this price point has consistently made my jaw drop. I feel like artificial sounding mid-tones are generally a dead-giveaway when you're dealing with lower cost instruments, but the FP-10 just sings in the middle register. Add in the nice touches like the escapement and the textured keys, and I think you really can't ask for a better stand-in for a real piano.
For what it's worth, I love Yamaha, and the P-145 sounds great, here, too. Better than probably 80% of keyboards I've heard. It's just unfortunately matched up against a real freak of nature.
Too bad Roland's develop that clicking noise
@@Untilitpases Which clicking noise are you talking about? I'm looking at these models, along SP280 from Korg and some other. Difficult deciding without getting to try them in person.
@@JamieRIt's a noise that all digital pianos in this price range make, it's not a big deal unless you're someone full of anxiety. If you have doubts, I recommend that you find a place to try
@jaywalker That's curious because Yamaha piano sounds are typically more popular, though of course these things being very subjective anyway.
Myself, I disliked the FP range, precisely because of what I and many others labelled as weak mids and booming bass, this until the X versions came out. I even returned my FP-50 in disgust. I guess there are different ways of analysing mids, but at this pricepoint (FP-10) users are very lucky to get the PHA-4 action, and fine subjective issues of sound become a bit silly anyway. I'm sure it's a good buy. Glad you enjoy it.
IMO while the Roland has a slightly heavier more realistic key action, it has a more 'tinny' sound. These Rolands use the 'SuperNATURAL' sound engine, which is just a computer modeling technology that tries to recreate a piano sound, there are no real piano samples; unlike the Yamaha which uses sampling from a real CFX grand piano.
It sound like "Im not in love" (10 cc). I´m thinking about buying on of those, since I own a Yamaha Electone Stagea ELB01 organ, but want to take piano lessons and need weighted keys. I´m a Yamaha Fan, but in Amazon Mexico the Roland is 300 dlls cheaper (600dlls vs 900dlls). Thank´s for the review.
Love this song! I was humming the melody but couldn't figure out what it was
The clarity of your voice is just awesome
New Frontier by Donald Fagan from his 1981 album The Nightfly.
I think the yamaha sounds a bit brighter than the roland and really like the sound of it?
0:15 vs 0:28 I feel that the Yamaha sounds a bit better or more full but the Roland is smoother to play. At least he immediately plays better on the Roland than on the Yamaha...
Seems to me like the best option is an FP 10 (for what seems to be the best action for any keyboard at that price point), coupled with an external speaker and a VST. All for about $600-800 - assuming you have a computer to plug into.
Good evening.
Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy.
Thank you.
I love how easy your explanation is, Thank you. Now I know what to buy.
Yamaha p145?
Nice little rendition of New Frontier...love that whole album,.. best of the four for sure
Excellent review :)
5:23 Beastly :)
My son has an old keyboard that's gradually breaking down, but without any formal classes and just by practicing with small tutorials on UA-cam, I've realized he has a special talent and interest in playing melodies on the keyboard. Now, I’ve decided to buy a new keyboard for my 10-year-old son. Which one would you recommend?
PHA-4 has a completely different feel from GHC. I had both. GHC is very “springy” and does not resemble acoustic piano action at all (I play on Yamaha C7)
@capri2673 An interesting aspect of PHA-4 is that it seems to have changed recently. The feel and lubrication must have changed. To answer your question - I like PHA-4 in my recently bought RD-08.
Hi,
How about Yamaha p225 in comparison to both these two?
It is superior to the Yamaha P-145
I have an fp10 and i love it but it has its limitaions. I love it with good headphones on. The underpowered speakers and the clicking sound of the keys makes it a bad experience.
Is thist rueof the FP30?
IM off yamha bc of shorter keys.
what headphones do you recommend? are the ones that come with the bundle sufficient?
fp10 for me the sound , sound like a real piano. the yamaha seems like the change of pressure doesnt matter .
yahama -> output sounds
fp10 -> output emotions.
Thanks a lot! You helped me to make my choice.
What was it
@@paabloo90210 the Roland :-)
What is your choise?
@@dragans6792 I bought the Roland. I'm a happy beginner 🙂
I hope your choice was a Roland FP 10. It has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45 and then a P 145. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price.
The Yamaha P 145 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 145 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 145, because the latter's action is lighter and no where near as good.
I’m deciding between the Roland FP-10 or Yamaha P-45 which one is better?
Roland has better keys. It is the best imitation of the real grand piano.
@@P4P1KplWhich piano? I play Yamaha C7 - its action is light (47g to move C4). PHA-4 action needs 64g to move C4. PHA-4 develops clicking noise after 3-4 month of use (I had three digital pianos with PHA-4)
@@mfurman They are pretty heavy, the closest one i have tried to feeling like a real piano which i feel is lighter than the yamaha by a large amount was the korg b2. And even that one has a version with even lighter action.
@@majortom4543 The problem with PHA-4 is that it not only develops clicking noise after a few months of intensive use but (as it happened with my most recent Roland digital piano) has a tendency to increase the required downweight. I returned (after three months of use) this piano after I discovered that C4 needs 72g to move. Thank you for the advice about Korg. I will check it out (I am currently renting P-225).
Good evening.
Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy.
Thank you.
There is no comparison between the onboard speakers, and that is a shame. The FP-10 is let down a bit by these according to many viewers on other channels. And, there is no indication in the user manual that extra speakers can be attached without cancelling these speakers altogether.
The PHA-4 action on the FP-10 does seem to be an advantage, particularly with classical music, though absolute beginners won't benefit at all IMO.
The samples on both pianos are pretty good for the price, so any pros and cons regarding them are purely subjective.
It's easy to pick holes in entry level pianos. For those who are disappointed by these two models, remember that you aren't forced to buy main brand at entry level. You get more features on, for example, an Alesis Prestige/Prestige Artist.
Anything plugged in the FP-10's output jack shuts off the onboard speakers. This behavior can be overridden using the function key and volume keys as indicated on page 8 of the manual. The sound is so much better through good headphones or speakers it's amazing.
Hey, I'm about to buy a digital piano and i don't know wich one is better, the Roland FP-10 or Casio CDP-S110
If we had to pick between those options we'd go with the FP-10 as it has a better action
@@bettermusic thank you
@@bettermusicI dare to say this is very personal. I would try both. I did. Between the FP-10 and Casio CDP-S100 I chose the second one because the action was much better for me, my hand feel etc... Again, this was me! It is obviously different for you but could be the same for other people. Try it for yourself! :)
I bought the Casio a couple years ago when Rolands were out of stock. I did not like the Casio sound, it's like they overdid the hammer sound or something, some notes had what sounded like the banging of a construction nailer outside. I sold it and now have an FP10, absolutely the better option.
@@McEPiano
Good evening.
Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy.
Thank you.
When I played the FP10, I was awe by the sound & the feel. Does the FP30X is the same sound & feel?
The song was "May I Sit on a Carrot" by Dirty Dan and the Melbourne Trams
Wtf Fr?
my roland fp10 doesn't switch on anymore after almost 2 years and I barely used it.. nice!
There is a 2 or 3 year warranty if you are located and registers in the U.K.
I don't know but for me,I really love the sounds of both models.Roland has that bright and warm sound while Yamaha has that deep and seemingly an opposite vibes on the sound compared to Roland.I think the choice is kind of depends (for me)on what music you will play.If you like to play classical music that mostly insist of that joyous vibes Roland is I think a good choice adds up for the jazz as well.Yamaha mean while I think suits better on Classical music that consists of that negative or sad vibes.I guess it would be good to play Chopin there😂
I recognize Steely Dan but I can't place what song it is. Man, I'd love to learn to play that.
Close. It's one of Steely Dan's Donald Fagen solo works. The song is called 'New Frontier'. ua-cam.com/video/FtovFI8etOg/v-deo.html
@@DeLoRRe1965 I did not know the song but i did recognize Steeli dan style. The other one 10 cc i knew imedatleley
What is the song he plays at the begging ? Please someone tell me 🙏🏼
Debussy - Clair de Lune. An extremely well known classical piece.
The grand piano sound in the yamaha is superior. It's more heavy and compact, more clear and it feels you're playing on a real acoustic piano
Good evening.
Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy.
Thank you.
Great review ! Good demonstrations of both sounds types. Personnally, from your demonstration, I prefer the piano sounds of the Yamaha.
I just bought the fp10 but i am a little afraid since people complain about click sounds on the black keys. My main use will be to use it with cubase and vst instruments and it was quite cheap (373 euro) . Did i do a good buy or would you suggest looking at the casio s110 as well? Reason i bought it is to have a real piano feel when playing and recording
Yesterday I was at music shop. I wanted Roland FP10 but seller told me that Casio CDP-S110 is better. He lied me. I check specifications of them and there is a difference in polyphony. Roland = 96 voices and Casio = 64. There is a few things more. Overall I would take Roland in this comparison. Now I'm focus on Yamaha vs Roland and soon I would start my piano journey.
@@P4P1Kpl i went to the music shop last saturday and tested the Roland fp30x, the Kawai es210 and Yamaha 128p. It was clear that the Roland had the best piano feeling of them all. The Yamaha was the worst and felt plastic and the feeling just wasn’t there. The Kawai sounded amazing but the keyboard action was too light. I could not play soft, everything sounded equally loud. The Roland though had the feeling i know from a real piano, just like the piano at my parents. Also tried the pf10 but i heard the keys while playing. Conclusion is that the pf30x is the best choice.
@@WVMUSIC_NL thank you. I watched many reviews and all are saying what you told. Roland = real piano feeling. That is what I'm looking for. I would start my lessons soon (youtube and by my self) I don't want to waste my time to play on plastic toy. I want to teach my fingers properly. 30X is awesome but a bit expensive. I mean I could buy it but my wife would definitely kill me for that. 😂
@@P4P1Kpl well the fp10 does have the same piano feeling , the sustain is a bit different from what i read and i prefer a bit better pianosound
I have been use FP10 for two years, with Cubase in PC and Cubasis in Ipad. Great product IMHO.
what's the key action cut off point on both the pianos like? Are they similar to an acoustic piano or does it get to a point where you just cant play a note/ it wont register.
I've got an upright piano in my living room, however, I've been thinking of getting the Roland FP-10 as I get home from work quite late which means I can only really practice on my days off haha.
Good evening.
Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy.
Thank you.
How do you record the raw sound of the FP10 from the 3.5mm jack?
You can connect an iPad I think, and then replay on the keyboard, but if you plugin to a headphone jack feel free to record onto whatever you want.
I'd like to get the Yamaha simply for the branding but would pick the Roland simply for the quality.
Thanks for that’s vídeo, i have FP10.. but i love Yamaha p515 sound, my desire 🎹🎶 Good life for all! sorry my english 🇧🇷
can we use yamaha as a midi controller with any DAW?
My P115 can, so I assume yes.
Hey thank you for your beautiful reviews😍❗🙋🏽♀️ my 8 yrs old son is starting to learn piano. Yes I have read a loooooot of positive comments regarding with Roland's E-piano Keys. I will definitely buy the Roland FP10 with headset❗ 😍🥳 God bless you more 🎉
which app is better? yamaha or roland? Or do both apps work with both pianos? thank you
roland app is not good
Es una diferencia súper mínima en las 5tas justas … solo el oído de un músico las identificaría para usuarios que no lo sean vaya !!
I'm a 48 year old guy interested in learning to play the piano/keyboard and therefore buying my first piano/keyboard. Is something like one of these two a better option when compared to something like a Yamaha PSRE-473 Digital Piano Keyboard for example?
that one has 61 unweighted keys, these have 88 weighted keys so these will feel more like a real piano
@@corycap Ok thanks. I think I've settled on the Roland FP10. Not as good as the FP30X but about $140 cheaper... or should I get the FP30X?
@@_n_d_ im getting my first piano and decided on the fp10 too! I dont think i need anything more for now, maybe in the future
What about the quality and the MIDI feeling, I will buy a P-145, I would have preferred the Roland for the sound but I have a voucher to spend in a store that has only the Yamaha. I would like to plug a Keyscape into my DAW.
I heard that the MIDI was good on the Roland and not on the P-45.
I am a beginner and didn't understand the bit about the sustain pedal. Is the FP10 not compatible with 3 pedals or is it just shipped with 1 and we'll have to buy the 3 pedal unit separately?
The roland fp 10 is not compatible with the 3 pedal unit. Meaning, you cannot use a 3 pedal unit on this piano. if you're a beginner, you most likely would not need it and would just need a sustain pedal :D You will be shipped with just a single sustain pedal with the piano afaik and i would recommend to get a proper pedal type to recreate the feel of playing on the real piano.
both sounds great
Just wondering what song played at the beginning (00:15)?
Clair de Lune - Debussy
Its Clair de Lune by Debussy
thank you for this vid. was the audio recorded from room mics or did you go line out from the headphone jacks?
Very good question as the Yam has slightly better speakers.
The Roland sounds really great through a quality PA system, especially for the price.
whats the difference between a "entry level piano" and a professional or intermediate piano i see "entry level" used in many pianos and have no idea what it means does this mean the piano is meant to be upgraded from us the piano lacking alot of what it should be having for a real piano player????
Significa que tiene lo básico, no sacrifica calidad, pero si funciones. Además el precio es bajo con relación a gamas más altas
Does the Roland FP-10 have an onboard song-record function?
Hi
Is there a transpose button please?
Yamsha has no OUT mono cable conndction! Does the Roland ????
Are Casio electric pianos with midi function worth looking at?
I wonder. Casio is cheap and every time I try one out it sounds awful - like a notch up from a digital watch.
Roland absolutely blows the Yamaha out of the water here in terms of sound. You can really tell with the example around 6:50... the Yamaha just sounds so digital while the Roland is much more authentic.
i like Yamaha pianos but for this affordable range, i think the roland fp10 has more quality and durability in my opinion, with humility..
Hi do you use an amplifier? I have the FP10 but it doesn’t sound as good as when I use my headphones.
yeah need headphone amp when using headphone.
@@janblade4747what do you mean??
The onboard speakers are the only place you can see how they got the price down, using a piano specific amp will certainly give you better audio
What was the last tune you played called ?
Por lo que tengo entendido esa melodía pertenece a la agrupación británica 10cc de los años 70, la canción es " I' not in love". Saludos cordiales desde La Rioja, Argentina
Beastly! At 5:40
5:26!
10cc at 7:34. Nice one.
For me Yamaha has the more realistic sound. I don't know why by comparing pianio or keybord from Yamaha with Korg or Roland Yamaha sound's best for me ...
Sound evaluations are mainly subjective, but I understand you. I like Yamaha too.
Roland is better for popular music but Yamaha for more classic or every genre I think
Here in my country roland is 35% more expensive than yamaha, I think I will go with yamaha
Roland's are 10x more expensive here💀
here Yamaha is 20% is more expensive than Roland
A lot more expensive for the Roland here (South America) too and more difficult to find.
same here in brazil..i am going to buuy p145 probably
was the Audio recorded thru a computer or recorded on a microphone?
microphone its on his shirt
how to do touch settings on p 145
Between the Roland FP 10 and the p-125, what would you prefer?
El P125 sigue siendo mejor en cuanto a características sin embargo ya no se vende
@@ayrtoninchejanampa6874 I'm sorry, I wrote it wrong. The questions was between the P-125 and the roland FP 10.
@@filipelopes2450Entre distintas marcas es un poco complicado, ya que depende de gustos, sin embargo el P125 anteriormente competía con el Roland FP30X así que puede decirse que es "mejor", pero la verdad es que depende de gustos. Yo probé ambos y en cuestión de teclas el roland tiene tacto marfil sintetico mientras Yamaha incluso el P225 tiene teclas lisas. Ambos son buenos pianos pero sugiero probarlos o escucharlos
@@ayrtoninchejanampa6874 ok, muchas gracias amigo!
Like the more really piano sound of the yamaha.
agree.
Roland sounds warmer/more round .. but also a bit fake. Yamaha sounds much more like a real piano. P145 also has a warmer sound as option which sounds great.
@@jortepap you might need some headphones my friend... the Yamaha had a very distinct digital sound to it in this demo. The Roland was almost indistinguishable from the natural sound of a piano. You have a Yamaha so obviously you would think it sound better to justify your purchase. Besides, it's not that important anyway. You can get some incredible piano VSTs and just use a computer.
PS, I have a Yamaha Red Label Acoustic guitar. It's the best guitar purchase I've ever made. But even I can tell the difference in sound here.
@@evirs For me its really the other way around. Also.. the Yamaha samples real piano's. Roland has computer made piano sounds. I can hear this difference for sure.
I tried them both in Oostendorp piano store here in The Netherlands.
So what is better?
Yamaha better sound
Fp 10 better action
@@runder2022Eso depende de gustos, sobretodo el sonido
Is there still a problem with loud clicky keys on F10?
I guess if you have the volume at a lower setting (1-2 dots out of the 6) you might hear some clicks, especially on recordings while the phone is close to the piano, but at full volume it performs amazingly and you can't hear any clicks.
Yes but varies from one to the other Roland piano with PHA-4. Check the video Roland FP-10 (PHA-4) action noise test
I solve it by putting silicone-based heat dissipating grease.
The Roland sounded far more like a real acoustic piano to me. The yammy sounded digital. To bright and sharp. But, I'm very put off by all the comments about the Roland and clicky keys. That would drive me mad.
Depends. Real pianos DO have clicky keys - you normally can't hear them above the strings but go to a live classical concert and listen in the pianissimo passages and you'll hear them.
@@kenoliver8913 Sorry, I didn't think I would need to explain the difference between the natural soft click of an actual acoustic piano, and the factory sticking click of a defective digital piano. This is a known fault of the Roland due to incorrect storage of the keyboards in the warehouse - it is a bug, not a design feature meant to replicate a real piano.
imo Roland is the more digital sounding of the two.
@@jortepap Strange how we all perceive things differently. The Yamaha sounds obviously digital to me. The Roland sounds almost identical to an acoustic piano to my ears. It's a wonderfully convincing sound.
You honestly get use to it and don't even notice it anymore. I was very picky at first, but you have tje option to grease them again if you want, but I honestly dont even notice anymore. Roland action is also much more advanced so alot of moving parts. I honestly get swooped away by how good the sounds is and feels.
I like playing the piano ☺️
Do they both transpose?
Hello,
Which one should i buy for a beginner ?
I can’t choose 😂
Thank you.
In my opinion Roland. If you start - better for you will be playing something almost like grand piano.
@@P4P1Kpl thank you
@@myriam3545 No problem. I would also start learning soon when my own Roland FP10 will be delivered to me
@@P4P1Kpl i can’t look forward
@@myriam3545have you bought it already? I'm thinking about buying it for Christmass and starting learning😅
New frontier. I’ll collect my bonus points now.
Dear Sir, very wise, if compare NUX-20 and Yamaha P145 which will you buy? Thank you
Can we transpose in yamaha p145??
If anyone knows please reply❤😂 thnx😊
Yes, I recomend you download the manual to read all features
Si se puede, es una combinación de botón y teclas
@@ayrtoninchejanampa6874
Which are the keys that I need to hold down together?
@@ralr1411 @ralr1411 Boton GRAND PIANO FUNCTION + la quinta tecla La (A), quinta tecla SI bemol (Ab) y quinta tecla Si (B), quinta tecla desde la mas grave a la mas aguda. de izquierda a derecha. Te recomiendo ir a la pagina de Yamaha y en la seccion descargar buscas para el P145 y buscas el documento "Quick Operation Guide" ya que UA-cam no me deja colocar el link directo aqui, me lo borra
What makes these "entry level"? What is considered more pro level?
Para que sea nivel de entrada o en mi opinión gama baja es que tiene lo básico necesario. Ya que hay otros modelos como por ejemplo el Yamaha P525 al cual se le han añadido más funciones y características para que se parezca más a un piano acústico
yes compare it even though i dont have one of these
Roland Wins
Roland.. thanks for the video.. ❤
In my country the Roland fp 10 cost 120$ more than p-145 so is it worth it to buy Roland?
Great review! Are they 3.5 mm headphone jacks?
P-145 has a 6.35mm (¼”) jack, not a 3.5mm. So you’ll need an adaptor to get down to the 3.5mm size.
FP-10 has the 3.5mm however.
@@bettermusic ...up to similar price range (in my country) what is better: Korg b2, Roland fp10 or Casio pxs1100...?
Reminder No.3 - Manuel Schrenk
Are these keybed felt heavier on lower octave and feel lighter on higher octave?
Yamaha sin duda
I agree. When my FP-10 wears out, I’d like to upgrade but don’t see any options given my constraints. I’m not interested in just upgrading the look.
Another huge hole in the market is with folding electronic pianos. I own a Carry-O😮n. It has a full size 88 key keyboard. Awful feel and sound yet the best I’ve found. Good for perfecting my fingerings. I use it when traveling and it is infinitely better than doing without.
A distant second is to learn to play the MIDI EWI. It is very small, can drive headphones, and costs less than $100. It can help me with note recognition on the treble clef staff. I’ve played it in doctor’s waiting rooms and airplanes.
Please somebody answer me; why this is not good for professionals ?
I'm Not in Love by 10cc ! 😊
There are no muscles in fingers. Check the anatomy books!
Yoiu are quibbling. He should have said "tendons" instead of "muscles".
That melody is from the movie of the legend of 1900
why are all piano demo,just the top octavesc,just saying
0:15
0:28
Roland keybed better.Yamaha sound better.👍👍
FP-10 better
Good Video
Yamaha grand paino is more muffled. Roland grand piano is brighter.
"New Frontier" Donald Fagen
The fp 10 is indredible
Do yourself a huge favor and save your money for another month or two and buy the Roland RD-08 or FP30x, and then thank me later :)
which one is better