Warframe is getting weird
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2024
- Episode 1: • Warframe isn't what I ...
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great video dude really looking forward to the next one on this journey
I highly suggest getting a nine tailed fox that is also an undying xenomorph for a pet. (Panzer pulpaphyla)
Holding onto opinions works, right? Especially with this game. Among the pile of modern live-service junk, it's the only game worth playing.
cant wait for you to finish the tutorial thats were the path as hard as steel starts
You are in for one more whole new system and Cetus is about to get a QUITE a bit bigger
Wake up Tenno.
The first 70 hours are only a lucid, second dream.
Ooh... I see what you did there
tone it down a bit ok?
😅😊
heh, that was nice.
This says a lot without saying anything. I love it.
70 hours can turn to 700 hours in Warframe reaaaaally quick especially when you start theory-crafting builds of frames and weapons and get addicted to red crits. Red number pop up unga bunga
Duuude Dagath and Kullervo are insanely broken.
Hi my name is Harrow, but everyone just calls me "The red crit guy" **queue Giorno's theme**
As a person who just started warframe
Idk how 10 hours turned to 70...
I started a week ago😭
Yoooo wen I finally started seeing red crits and number s going into the millions that happy chemicals in my brain started dancing n I kept playing well into the next day😂😂 I'm like wat does this Doo now 😭 and yet still wasn't tired
According to ps4 my online hours are 9200+. I have no idea how I put that many in. 😂😂😂
"the Void is Staring Back"
Oh you have no idea...
Rap Tap Tap...
@@defrostedtoast960 I still dont undestand why its a SIDE quest its a main quest at this point with how the story is unravelling
@@judson5203 It is on the "critical path" now, as a pre-req for Apostasy Prologue. Not sure if it was like that on AP's release or if that was a change after the fact.
@@judson5203when Chains was released, it was a side quest, but it’s been changed to a main quest. I know that bc ive helped 3 friends get back into warframe after YEARS off the game, and ive had to constantly check the main quest line for them 😂
Hello kiddo
"I'm staring into the void, and it's staring back at me."
Premonitions of the things to come.
the second dream isn't a mission, it's an experience.
I almost cried
Easily one of the coolest plot twists in the history of gaming. I love watching new players react to that one moment.
The feeling that after 50 hours you sit before character creation
I wish I can play through that and the New War for the first time again
@@shamiekgivens375 I did on like three different accounts over the years and I’m gonna do it again on iOS !!!!!
What was said: "I'm staring into the Void, and it's staring back at me."
What I heard: *What I can only describe as eldritch Mongolian throat singing.*
Hamburger, Cheeseburger, Big Mac, Whopper
Hamburger, Cheeseburger, Big Mac, Whopper
Hamburger, Cheeseburger, Big Mac, Whopper
😆
6:39 THIS. If you did the deadlock protocol quest and acquired the XORIS, pls DO NOT SELL IT. It happen to me before when I played warframe as a noob (MR8 at that time) and regretted selling it since its actually one of the better weapons you can use from early game till end game since its heavy attack explosions deal nice damage. (You can get the bp and build it again, it just cost 100k standing at simaris at a relay.) Its best to either save your building of weapons or frames to manage inventory slots until you can comfortably buy those warframe/weapon slots because you are gonna horde a lot of stuff and save a ton of work in the long run, plus earning/trading items for platinum is easy and can build up over time.
Mr23 and I still use this god tier weapon. People just need to invest into it
It’s one of the best melees in the game and it doesn’t require much to get going.
In case you don't know, you can buy back story weapons from Ceohelon Simaris
@@MonkeyCurler It's true, but it has to be said that grinding Simaris rep is pretty bad, especially since you need so much of it in the first place to get a confortable (and not too expensive) scanning experience
NEVER SELL QUEST ITEMS
watching a new player discover the joy of playing warframe is infectious as hell and almost feels like im reliving those same moments of discovery.
Looking forward to your next vid describing in great detail how your journey advanced.
*IMPORTANT EDIT:* Turn Twitch chat to Emote-only while you play the quest, and type /dnd (do not disturb) in the in-game chat. The backseating will be HELL otherwise. Us tenno love this game, and we love watching people play this quest, but we're too eager for our own good. We'll spoil things accidentally, or on purpose. Save yourself from the mob.
Edit: Wow, yall really like to argue, huh? Just chill and not complain to each other, alright? We're here to have fun, after all.
I think it's extremely important HOW you've criticized warframe. Everyone who plays sorta knows that there's a major problem with the new player experience. But no one can really point to what's actually wrong, and I think that's because we've lost that new-player mindset. Criticisms like yours really shine a light on WHAT is wrong rather than just crying wolf. A fun fact: a few years ago (2-3 years from memory), the new player experience was DRASTICALLY worse.
That said, I am extremely excited for your next video. Remember, when all is said and done, even after all this time... you've still only scratched the surface.
This is important 😂
A lot of players get locked into the mindset of how things were when they started. Deimos didn't exist, Duviri didn't exist, Railjack didn't exist, and a lot of these old school players will bend over backwards to scare new players away from these things because of their own personal biases, which I think is harmful to the experience.
I've seen people say "Duviri is too complex for new players" and it frustrates me, as it's set up as a really cool tutorial area that lets you farm up some genuinely useful stuff. Sure, it's not furthering you towards the end of the star chart, but pushing to do that ASAP isn't fun or necessary.
@@Joe90h The thing with Duviri though is that like every other bit of content in this god damned sacred game is an isle of content; nothing that comes out of it can be useful for newbies except for maybe practice and some of the melee that you will need to grind for mastery anyways later on!
It doesn't follow the rest of the game in progression, its different from anything you'll see on the starchart (which as a newbie is pretty much what you will be doing at least your first week), and the resource drops from it are not enough to make it a better experience over anything else that isn't the Starchart!
@@holomatic1549 Mastery rank, endgame melees with no mastery prerequisite, permanent buffs to an ability usable in all modes later in an account, Kullervo, basically everything from Acrithis's shop including catalysts and reactors, the ability to farm more awkward to get hold of frames like Ash, Oberon, Harrow, Nidus, Khora and Ivara, augments for said frames, early access to top tier arcanes, a surprisingly large amount of Endo...
Duviri is extremely new player friendly.
@@holomatic1549 Think my comment got shadow banned so I'll try again.
Mastery rank. Endgame melees with no mastery requirement. Kullervo. Acrithis's store which includes stuff like catalysts, reactors, and exilus adaptors. Circuit which allows easy access to some of the really awkward to farm frames. Arcanes, mods and Endo...
All from Duviri.
"I'm staring into the void, and it's staring back at me!"
Aha... hahaha.... HAHAHAHAHA.
(Spoiler)
THE MAN IN DAAA WAAAALLS
HES IN DAAA WALLLLLS
VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?
@@godzelda123 .
Hey kiddo hey kiddo hey kiddo hey kidd....
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Hey kiddo
Have you seen a yt animatic called '100 days of warframe' by MASHED?
Also you mentioned how you didn't know much about the stalker, he'll be getting his own whole story quest soon! So glad you're enjoying warframe
:) Thanks for this.
I'm glad to hear you're still having fun and yes, the next quest is a big one.
The second Dream was originally teased by a rare occurrence in the loading screen, with translatable text.
As for STALKER, you may want to check his codex entry ... .
The lore gets a bit confusing but if you dig deep enough and pay attention it's one hell of a story to discover.
And thats because they keep kicking out and hiring new intern to write it every 6months.
@@Mabswer It's jungian and completely consistent
@@SideQuestStories It is not completely consistent, there is a bunch of retcon, older things that doesnt make sense in the new lore.
@@SideQuestStories The Lotus was originally an organisation.
11 year vet since the founder days and I still don’t care about the lore
One thing I feel like I need to say is DO NOT SELL THE XORIS
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO another victim spotted
I sold it and I only regretted it when I had to make another thrown melee weapon to cheese the mr9 advancement test
The Xoris is my bread and butter... fuckin beast
(edited)
I *ALMOST* sold mine, luckily I didn’t…(yet). The mission you get it for absolutely sucks, it’s horrendous! Especially when you’re playing on mobile, like myself. The Xoris is a major pain to use while using mobile controls “touch screen”. It’s beyond unbearable to use. 😅 I haven’t even leveled it up much, I think it’s at level 10 or less.
UPVOTE THIS!!!
It's been fascinating watching a new player journey as a, just very recently established, MR30 vet. You haven't missed yet with your analysis of the state of the game and seeing your enjoyment and encouragement to get others to play just makes me feel like my own journey to mastery 30 was well worth every second. I really wish I could start the whole trip again with no memory. It's THAT DAMN GOOD.
I started Warframe with a friend that streams and the community loved seeing two baby tennos exploring and looking around, once we got done with the second dream we were told we are no longer baby tennos we are now teenage tennos welcome to the game
Not only to everything you said, but the community is truly unreal. There was One time I was coming out of a mission and I mentioned I needed a part. Some guy I was in the missionwith, that we never spoke once in the mission came out and said I’ll give it to you for free. That one part turned into five frames given for free. At the time I was just getting back into the game honestly, if the guy never did that I don’t know if I would’ve kept playing. He got my Foundry engine going.
I did that several times! This community is great! :D
The Warframe community is a whole thing.
It is literally the friendliest gaming space i have ever seen.
It´s been years since i last played.
Soma Prime still a thing?
Oh my.... He's so close.... I can't wait to see his next video 😊
the anticipation uhh i always learn so much from a live dissection
@@Rhuanprof97 I'm very excited tenno
My exact thoughts 💜, when it all comes together at end beginning of endgame💜
There is a satisfaction watching somebody that talks about games, getting to experience this for the first time.
2:20 "staring into the void and its staring back at me"
RAP TAP TAP
For someone that started playing warframe since it launch (proud excalibur prime owner) i saw how the game developed overtime, and for me (and many old tenno) the second dream was the moment i realize this was not only a good an fun game, but something more, something special, is just so fun to see it all again from a fresh eyes view.
A little anecdote from the Warframe past.
When they added kubrow to the game.
These dogs have different fur pattern. Some rarer than others.
Fur was decided upon hatching the dog. Not lucky? Try new dog.
Obviously, in a free2play game - there was a button to reroll fur, for platinum.
You know what Devs did, when they saw how much players were rerolling fur?
You guessed it... THEY REMOVED THAT BUTTON.
You probably can find a clip of Sheldon from some DevStream, where he said - "Omg, we made a casino! We have to remove that!"
They still have gambling mechanics in the game for the whales. They only removed the very obvious ones
@@EsperSpiritAnd what those mechanics would be? Rivens? They are not the same.
I think they're was like one random off bundle hidden in the market that gives you random mods. I don't even think DE knows it still exist still since it has been there since back when Warframe beta (back when it was leaning close to p2w)
@@drewrobinson5562In the closed beta and very early in open beta - half of warframe "skill tree" and half of weapons mod slots were locked behind reactor/catalist, which you could only buy for real money. That was the REAL pay2win. They changed that, as far as I can remember, half a year into open beta.
Mod packs you are talking about were also changed around 3 years ago (I do not remember when, but fairly long time ago). Now you can buy a mod pack, which contain specified, good for beginners, "essential" themed mods. There is a "mod pack", with transmute cores that are random, and are used in transmutation in 4-to-1 process with random result. But it's more akin to resource, than actual mods for warframe or weapons. You can not name that "gambling". Especially for whales, who can buy really powerful stuff from other players and skip time in market purchases.
There's a lot of noob traps in the shop, don't get me wrong, I know that. But in general it's a fair game.
edit:styling
@@EsperSpirit any for money directly? I might have missed something but the closest I can think of are riven mods, and rivens are for kuva, which can't be bought (or if it can and I missed it, is bought at such a poor rate that farming is the only way to get it at any sort of scale).
As a long time warframe player, subverting expectations is the real name of the game, every time i think i know where they're going, i end up being entirely wrong.
This is the first time i have seen a content creator posted an update after Natah, and hadn't started Second Dream.
The next 3 major story quests are quite the ride, very much looking forward to the reaction of each.
as a vet who has brogght in multiple newplayers i agree whole heartedly with how little the game xplains early on it just throwss you out to level without context on alot of important mechanicss ilovee that this fell into my feed dbecausse your persspective is so real and refreshing to see again and dyou helped dme figure out better wayss to eexplain things to new players going forward too :DD
20 hours in tutorial? Heh. People could play Warframe for a year and still discover something new =)
Even after 4 years that still happens to me sometimes
I've been playing almost a decade and I'm still finding out new things
Almost 3k hours on steam and still learning stuff. Or re-learning at this point.
3.5 years and I just got into Arcanes
for years? last week i saw some beta players getting surprised with mechanics someone shown in a reddit post
Dude, Warframe got weird something like 8 years ago.
To be fair he just started it last week
Dude.. he just started. 😂
Let the man play and give us his genuine take.
I've 3k+ hours in WF, probably said "what is this! how?" More times than I can count.
I thought it was always pretty weird. One look at all the frames with no facial features, was my first indication that ... something isn't quite "right" - fortunately, they offset most of that weirdness by making a freakin' great game.
He’s just catching up
I landed on this channel because of Helldivers, watched you casually for some news on it, but is the first time im eager to see your next video on Warframe, your appreciation of this game (and the good aspects of Helldivers) speaks volumes on how good your judgement is on what is a well designed game. Enjoy the glaze fellow Tenno.
I always love hearing a new players perspective and in your last video you definitely articulated some very interesting points. All valid, as far as I'm concerned. Your experience right now reminds me when I first started the game and you are in this wonderful phase of discovery. Obviously it tapers off the longer you play the game, that's to be expected, but you might be surprised how much discovery this game really can deliver. IMO, it's quite a bit. Glad to see you're enjoying the game and hope you continue to stick with it. Just be sure to enjoy it at YOUR own pace and play the game the way YOU have fun.
WF has a weird but awesome story or lore. It's a bit of bumpy ride, bits and pieces sort of scattered all over the place, but once it starts to come together for you, it's definitely very intriguing. For me, it's certainly one of the contributing reasons why I have over 4000 hrs in the game.
Good luck, have fun and fight on!
Yea. Warframes major flaw other than the general new player experience, is the sheer freedom and power they give you. The problem with it being you have the freedom and ability to optimize all fun out of the game entirely. So absolutely play at your own pace and pursue the parts that you enjoy most.
I just reached 275 hours yesterday. Only now do I have my first Prime warframe, Prime weapons, AND I created my first Kuva Lich. The game is *still* giving me new tutorials. I am STILL in the tutorial.
I love it. The game is so great.
How is that possible
@@alexbrestowski4131 Easy, by playing +800 hours of Destiny 2 after the first 200 hours of Warframe and then getting burned by D2', getting back to Warframe, and picking off where I left.
@@alexbrestowski4131 easy
Surprising how many people hit MR30 without finding out you can stop grenades from exploding on the defense objective by either shooting or ground slamming them.
@@NereidAlbelthank you
My bf is an old returning player. A "there was no story when I was playing" old return.
After a few days (and a few hundred platinum spent on a fun new frame) grinding, farming, and unlocking, I got him through Second Dream.
I'm only *starting* New War, so I'm not even super far in but I'm also a returning old-er (but not old) player and witnessing Second Dream again was beautiful. Especially now, knowing what I know.
The story is, for me, what makes the grind worth it. And the grind is lowkey fun as a Khora with Pilfering Strangledome 😅
This 1000%. I've been playing Warframe, hmm, around 7 or so years (give or take), I've played so many other live services and looter games and, quite frankly...not enough of them, if any really, focus enough on rewarding powerful storytelling and revealing mystery as the main lure of the game. Loot is obviously fun, of course, but working hard to upgrade gear to reach an important story climax SHOULD be the motivation. Instead, most of them just throw more loot at people and expect that to be a lasting high.
It's absolutely not. It's incredibly fleeting and temporary. The places Warframe's story and gameplay are heading are far more compelling than just "ooh shiny weapon" to me. And every time I see people gush over their favorite looter doing gear tweaks or showing screenshots of new loot, I just think...
Yeah, the industry is still missing the point, aren't they?
I love your videos about warframe. Out of all the "trying warframe for the first time" videos, you have the most in depth. Valid and reasonable criticisms and concerns. As a 10 year wf vet, It feels nice to hear you talk about how good and cool the game is but even more so about what the game could do better. Because its validating so many of the veteran playerbases concerns. More than anything, im very excited to see your excitement and reactions to warframes story going forward. Out of all the good things about warframe, the story and lore is the best. Hands down, by far. Full stop, and i cant wait to experience it again through you. I mean theres a 9 hour warframe lore video for a reason...
Just came across this vid today I love following the journey of new players in games I love! and as soon as I heard you were doing the second dream quest on stream I had to go back and watch the vod! Truly one of the greatest jaw dropping moments in warframe. All the feels. I had a blast watching you experience it for the first time! Can’t wait until you continue to the war within it keeps getting better!
Attention people that are going to buy/gift him anything...
Send him->
1.Formas
2.Weapon/Warframe/Companion Slots
3.Boosters
Getting Warframes/Weapons from completing tasks is a rewarding feeling! Let him grow!
And... colors palettes for the end-game xD
Ngl. I hate people doing this. Let the man experience the game unbiased from the monetization.
@@vanher282 YES! You cannot have too many colour palettes! Fashionframe is the real end-game! 😁
Yes I get really annoyed when streamers just get gifted certain gear. Especially if the game mode where you earn those gear is actually really fun or provide some interesting story context. Them I'm like: "Well great now they're probably never going to experience that..."
I respect UA-camrs and streamers that just tell players to not gift them weapons or frames for this reason.
Also some streamers are just so popular and get so much stuff gifted that they have no reason to keep playing after they completed the story.
I completely agree on the new player crafting experience stuff.
I VERY clearly remember how I struggled with gulping down the fact that i needed to wait almost 4 whole DAYS to even get my frame that i worked so hard for.
No one told me that i can craft these and have them on a conveyor belt being procured and steadily reaching my needy new player hands. Now, having a grasp on how it works, i always look for new things to craft, and always make sure there is something cooking in the foundry.
I firmly believe that teaching how the foundry works and how you have no limit on the things you can craft, plus how many things you can easily get the parts for and outright buy- would go a LONG way with helping raise the hopes of new players and even preventing so many quitting so early.
I was forewarned, because I discovered Warframe through a Lets player. The wait adds a little bit of excitement and satisfaction through anticipation.
And you need that patience once you inevitably hit the ceiling of the content. DE does not do fast updates. They tried, but it came out rushed and unpolished.
Also: Warframe can be addicting. Forcing people to take breaks is simply good.
Tbh I wonder where he gets the impression that this is what makes people quit. My impression is that people find out about how much can be grinded and how often you need to repeatedly play the same mission, get bored and quit.
I agree 100%. Warframe isn't like clash of clans 😭
@@SimonLauschI don't get it either. Came back to WF after over 3 years of a break few months ago. Never had to wait for something to build, quite opposite, lots of stuff had to wait for me in foundry bc i was busy doing other things.
@@JanKowalski-fy1xn the real problem is slot (weapons/warframes) for me..., got like 200 items cooked in foundry but got no slot to claim.
sure I can just sold things I dont like that I already mastered but deep archimedea will bite me in the but if I do that
I started the game before the market pages got redesigned, so the blueprint option and prices were pushed to the bottom of a box you often had to scroll through. I played for a couple of weeks then quit for maybe a year, only reinstalling because I felt like I'd missed something (Also I was dirt poor and Warframe was free so why not?)
Then I asked the in game chat how players were expected to get new weapons without paying platinum, and quickly learned about blueprints. And since then. DE have redesigned the market pages to 'mostly' circumvent that issue.
The problem with early game quests, they are very old, and mostly just missions with characters sometimes talking over them, way less cinematic setpieces like the newer quests (deadlock protocol, vox solaris, heart of deimos), also, theres a big chunk of the story missing at the beginning since it was played through limited time events way back in the day, for example Alad V appears in the story out of nowhere, you don't know who that guy is and the first and last time interacting with him before the quests he's featured in is on jupiter.
Hope is at some point DE might go back and add more quests towards the beginning of the game, but right now they are focused on pushing the story forward.
Also i quite like the fact that the tutorial quests don't really tell you much in the way of lore, so you're only hit with the realization of what's actually going on in the natah quest, and the story actually picks up from there with a much stronger sense of direction. From that point each quest basically flows into the next, so the later part of the game is much more well-paced than the beginning.
I love how you fully went in the journey, following your footsteps, came back to the game and its so gooood
One thing I think you should look into, is how and why DE have made the changes they have. In the early days, there was an exploit with a weapon people used to get around the map more. DE OVERHAULED the movement so that getting around the way we did was just now the normal movement system.
ahh, the old zoran coptering :D
They've really done a good job of embracing "it's not a bug it's a feature, but let's make it look less goofy"
well specifically it was how attack speed affected your momentum, just happened that dual zoren was the most accessible weapon with the highest attack speed
Coptering and wall "running" was way better movement system if you learned it. I would trade bullet jump and aim glide In a heartbeat to have the old system back
@@chadkelley4267 🤓
When I saw that you are about to start "The Second Dream" I had literal chills down my spine. That quest changes everything.
I am so onboard to watch you continue on this journey
i will always remember the magic feeling of playing warframe for the first time; reaching important main story quests for the first time and all my reactions too those moments.
now that I am 1400hrs in myself I can say that youre out of the "early game" only AFTER the Natah quest IMO. The best is only yet to come. I wish you lots of fun, enjoyable moments, moments of awe and "wtf just happened" situations. Trust me when I say that, starting with the second dream, you are in for one hell of a ride.
Buy a Clem eat fish, he day, teach fish Clem, to a lifetime.
grakata!
Clem!
Whhhhhhaaaaattttt?
This is the best comment
So true
As a longtime player, this series of videos is so much fun
Oh snap, The Second Dream quest!
The ride is starting! Everything ramps up from there.
Love the shift that you did in between the first video and this one. Welcome Operator
Bud, here on out from the second dream. You will be entering the deep end, the cold below the surface, the unfathomable deep, indifferent.
But we will all be there to meet you at the bottom, as one of us.
See you soon Tenno.
We'll all be sleeping in the cold below
the changes will be that of a millennia one might say
Yeah...u will learn to hate that one character😂😂😂
I'm really envious of anyone starting Warframe for the first time. Thank you for sharing your journey.
Yeah, i recently got back in. I'm not entirely new but I might aswell have been, and even after 2 years a ton was changed and added and I thought it was crazy, as I last played on ps4 back in 2021 or so. It's been awesome.
Once your mods and other things open too warframes themselves offer huge differences between themselves. rhino is a good example, one of my fave frames still cause of how some of the builds for it are crazy (started farming any primes yet?). my personal rhino prime plays drastically different from what i always see other play it as. sadly takes a long time or active seeking out for class mods for you to be able to "spec" warframes like this (and other things I wont mention) lol still cant wait to you to do second dream and basically finish the tutorial :)
i play this game nearly 9 years now. and i never stop learning in all these years... i finish all i want in all these years. but i still found new stuff i can do or level / build old weapons new. with a much more stronger build. the story is amazing... and in some moments in this years while i do quests sometimes i get tears in my eyes cause it was so fucking emotional...
i have hundreds of hours. and i only can say... it was one of the best online games i`ve ever played.
Really glad you decided to give Warframe a chance!
As a bandaid approach to the early game time gating, it would be nice if the game insta completed the first frame, weapon, etc that you build, while informing you that the next few will take an increasing amount of time.
Plenty of games introduce crafting in this way, the first is free, and it gives a pause to explain the meta crafting systems to the user.
The problem I see with this is that they would have to extend the tutorial and have it end after you get a new warframe. There's no simple way to implement this.
Lol, Quality of life improvements.. in Warframe.. hahahahahaha. Buy more plat you leech -DESteve 2014 onwards.
@@MabswerI lol'd and vomited at the same time.
Well this is how actually Limbo quest works, but either it should be available a lot sooner, or devs need to add similar quest but with regular frame (most likely Rhino as closest to unlock the needed node)
Technically that is an option w the little bit of free platinum you are given. Js
The Second Dream really is something else. I look forward to your video debrief!
On Warframes monetization, one of the stories that made me love DE is that when they first introduced the pets they had a random system for their skins. You could put platinum into it to re-roll as much as you want. It wasn't a lot, like
After completing the tutorial or so I thought like 2-3 years ago, I hit a dead end on what to actually do at first and call it quits to play other game, but when I was missing something last year in december about the game and saw warframe again I try to play it again and I now know how to progress into the game more and still some infomation about the game I still can learn from a vet warframe player that is playing the game for the longest time and there so much to learn I don't stop playing the game afterwards and try to progress more and leveling up my MR in the process but still it really does fill like you are still in the tutorial even though you have finish it and the foundary really need to cook like quite a lot in order to grind MR
Love your videos and please keep going about the game cuz I am really curious about the story actually.
Bro, people need to stop giving away Dante to new player streamers. Hes a late game frame and his playstyle is not indicitave of a new player experiance. New players that arent just given all kinds of things wont experiance the game this way.
eh he still well need a second one anyway
Warframes don't determine the experience. Yes they help with how you may feel but the experience is everything that happens or works, not just the warframe
You can get the vast majority of frames as a new player. Especially considering things like the circuit. There are plenty of active and synergistic frames like Dante that you can use early on and have a similar experience. I don't see how having Dante is so gamechanging that it changes the entire game
Yeah, it's like dropping RoB and 99x Lord Runes for a lvl 1 Wretch in Eldem Ring. It basically buries the difficulty curve.
@@malaki7335 Dante's base OG ignores enemies up to level 80.
As an older player that has guided several players through starting the game, and is still trying to pay forward the help that I got when I started playing 10 years ago It's really good to see the honest and clear critique that you have been giving at different stages of the game. There are somethings that older players can't get a clear idea about the feel for, like pacing, and where those problems specifically are, even if we know they exist.
On a separate but related note, it is really interesting seeing your reactions to playing the quests in the order that you have been playing them, since they aren't the order that they were released in. It gives me a different perspective as an older player as to how the world is unveiled. For perspective, when I started playing there weren't any of the quests you've played through, in fact the one that you are about to do was the first one to be added into the game, before even the new player quest, but even back then we had things that pointed to the fact that there was more lurking around the corner for us to discover.
Here is a fun piece of information: every piece of alien text and script in the game is readable, and somethings that you might have thought were art, especially in the void, are actually writing.
Saw this vid in recommended I thought it was going to be about the latest questline (Whispers in the Walls), which is very VERY weird - and I love it. Natah and Second Dream is where the story really kicks up, and it does not disappoint.
Knowing what's coming up, I can't wait for your next Warframe video.
It is amazing how Warframe progressed throughout the years, mostly for the better...
I still remember when we had a stamina system and when the Gorgon was the best weapon in the game, those were more simple times...
FUUUUCK I forgot stamina used to be a thing. So glad they removed it!
@@ShadowofManda Yep... I still remember that people never 'sprinted' and used the slide melee attack as a way of moving around because our space ninjas would get TIRED way too quickly...🤣
Even though we all love to make fun of DE from time to time, overall they did a great job of making the game better.
@@LazarusOfLight I can't remember if I learned of the copter meta before the parkour update, but Movement 2.0 is so much more fluid IMO. I still remember going through the 2.0 tutorial and thinking how great it was.
Dude. Tower keys.
@@hundredhanded1205 FOR REAL...
I even remember during that period there were no trade systems at all and we had to farm prime items from scratch! 😭
What also helps Duviri and Deimos stand out... is the fact that they're relatively new compared to most of the star chart.
I cant tell you how much im enjoying this series from you
I love this. Just listening to you reminds me of all the joys I had when playing the game. Warframe always felt like my secret joy. I could never explain it to people, but now I can send your videos to explain how I also feel about the game.
First 20hrs?... Bruh I'm into 400+ hrs and still learning new things... The game is still in tutorial
900+ hours here, still learning stuff myself. I returned after a 4 year absence.
@@tr4l1975 3000 hours, and still not entirely competant at the high end build stuff...
It's funy how this series of videos shows how Warframe need to explains things better as well as streamline/condensing the game.
Having a popup tab in the market with MK1 weapons so you KNOW those don't need materials to be crafted and you can try them instantly (as soon as you have the credits ofc).
Having videos to show how some systems work. Like having a video showing how to mod, upgrade those mods etc....
just finished watching this, oh boy will i be watching that stream if i can, thats going to be a fun ride
The order that you're running into things seems so wild to me, and while mostly I'm happy that you're not stuck going through things in release order (this quest that you're coming up to predates all of the open worlds, not to mention other quests that you've praised), it does seem like DE might have dropped the ball a bit on the side quests. I found Warframe back in 2017 (just before Chains of Harrow released), and The Limbo Theorem and The New Strange were both quests that I ran into pretty quickly. The star chart was the only progression at the time, and there were no open worlds to serve as a distraction, so I was guaranteed to run into them early-ish, which was probably a good thing.
If anyone has ever stayed on the login screen, they will know how hard the music is
Bro, you HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO play the second dream. Don't spoil anything for yourself, just play it.
Also, look into tennogen.
Minor correction, you can buy primes through prime access
This, 10000000000000000000000 percent
he outright said that his next video was gonna be second dream bro. I know we're all excited, but we have to hold our tongue. It makes it better that way.
I think he has, last I checked you cant pilot a necramech unless you get second dream done.
@@ironwolfsaber2739 nah, it works for just the deimos quest, even if you don't have second dream done. He said at the end of the video that he's gonna play it on wednesday this week
@@salthinnew players have to beat heart of deimos to progress to Ceres. Its the junction requirement.
Just found you and watched both your Warframe videos! I don’t want to be a broken record but I share the opinion of many who have commented, it’s a treat to hear your thoughts and experiences in a game that I enjoy so much. I don’t normally comment but I’m excited to watch your video on the second dream! Cheers!
I’ve always said to this day if the made a small mini story for each planet leading up the boss of that planet and along the way giving tips on core systems how weapons work and more importantly direction would really help guide new players along. The story doesn’t even need to be complicated, I personally just want to have a reason to hate the boss by the time I reach them instead of finding out why they are a threat then and there.
Welcome to our personal purgatory btw enjoy your stay. And don’t force yourself to play the game if you don’t want to, the game wants you to keep playing but it doesn’t want you to get burnt out which to me are why things like the time on crafting so we can chill even though we don’t realize we need to chill.
"Duviri Complex" is a funny slip of the tongue but when you onow the lore it's also... Not wrong. What a .... Paradox.
I feel like your portrayal of your experience exemplifies mine perfectly. I feel like I’m almost reliving experiencing this game for the first time through this format, it’s great to see and fun to watch. I’ll see if I can catch the livestream.
Super hyped to hear your thoughts on the second dream, you built the ship. It’s ready to take off.
Finally, a balanced review of Warframe, the good and the bad in a fair perspective. Oh yeah, that slow burn, prepare for it to become an inferno soon.
I think the tonal change here is probably directly attributable to how much the new player experience still needs polish. They've done a lot of passes on it over the years, some of them were HUGE milestones, but 11 years of layered systems that have been explained on devstreams to the hardcore fanbase and then never really explained ingame leaves a LOT of technical debt to catch up on. They should probably have someone just working on it full time at this point.
I was so excited to see your reaction to archwing. The aforementioned hardcore fanbase is off archwings and off railjack, and they are two of my favorite game modes I would LOVE to see get more investment, but the community is so against them or ignoring them that it would be hard to justify DE dumping more resources into them. Hopefully this wave of influencers onboarding with fresh eyes will be enough to creep the community opinion back from full-on hate for them.
Looking forward to the second dream video. There's more huge cinematic quests after it, but it's where the story really picks up on cashing in on those breadcrumbs (~100 hours in).
I would love to be encouraged to use Railjack more often, I was enamored with the idea of driving over to an objective myself, seeing the place from the outside before getting in and wrecking house. Sadly, the game modes are limited and the reward isn't worth the time when basically I already got everything I could out of the Railjack portion
Railjack is so… complicated for me. I love the IDEA of it. It’s so cool to be flying around in this big-ass warship. Having a crew. Taking out other huge ships. Etc
It’s just disappointing that it never got much further than “kill some space ships, then go in to a regular mission.”
There’s a lot of systems in this game that never got finished because they just didn’t bring in enough traffic and/or money. But the potential is insane. I hope, someday, they can give some of these alternate systems the love they need to shine
I really enjoyed hearing your experience. I feel like you have the same feelings about video games as I do so it's really cool to see you get into Warframe for all the same reasons I also fell in love with it. I'm excited to see how you feel about the upcoming story content. Enjoy the ride!
I don't comment often on vids but to help the anxiety of the time gapping is usually a Warframe vet convinces their friends to pick it up and are teaching them everything like a mentorship. it helps that time gapping by teaching the new player everything you're talking about. not attacking just informing. I'm glad you gave it the time to cook since it sounds like you had to learn almost everything yourself, but most others are pulled into the game and makes it a lot better. also check out revenant he is op as with a select handful are.
I am SO HYPED to see the next one covering The Second Dream and the story further after that
I have a tiny advice for you from the footage you've shown:
Increase the FOV, decrease the screen shake and turn off HUD motion. (The Options Menu has a search function.)
The game gets wild sometimes, the higher distance to the action and the reduction in motion will drastically reduce fatigue in long sessions.
And have fun with the next story missions! Nice to have you with us Tenno!
Great experience analysis! waiting for the next video!
Bro cant wait for the next vid, the main quest is going to ramp up big time now :D get the sponge ready cuz ur going to need to soak up a lot of information lore wise. For context, these quests and updates took 10year, so each induvidual quest had its time to marinade, doing them in succession now might feel like a lot and it is, but its so dam worth it to play through it all and then watch a lore video or something, putting it all into perspective. I recommend Pen of evil and TheDsIEGE, they do a good job at explaining and adding speculation+digging into the deeper thinking of the game.
I'm definitely psyched to see how your journey continues, these videos are great to see as a veteran. Warframe is such an experience and its always wonderful to have more people join in on it and see what it really has to offer, past that rocky start.
It's so nice to see someone so enthusiastic about something you love. Your work as a youtuber is algo great. Script, camera, ambience and video editing. You really are up to some high quality content here
Cant freaking wait for your next video tenno
I am loving watching a new players experience and how you start to understand. SOOOO excited to see your reaction to second dream, hope to see more warframe content tenno
I just wanna say you did an increadible summary on the Natah quest, most people have no idea about anything till they crash into the Second dream, because they JUST DO NOT listen to anything or read anything that is said in the game.
I think that is a huge miss on any new player, playing any game. Seeing youtubers talk over and ignoring mission directives on what to do, and then they go "the fck i´m supposed to do?"
Increadibly triggering for the vet´s knowing, the Writers who wrote it, and the Actors.
I think there is a definite Players fault when designing a game.
Anyways, Great video with solid criticism!
Been playing warframe for the past 3 years and I struggled hard in the beginning, had to rely on the wiki and UA-cam to help me understand the game.
You're 100% correct, I definitely remember my new player experience, while platinum didn't seem as pay to win for me, as I was happy to wait in between school days (I started many years ago), I had my brother to guide me through the game, and if I didn't have him to really sell me on the many aspects of the game that you only come to understand later on, I probably would've played it off and on for a good while until I came to that realisation myself. Modding, to this day I think is the really big thing that needs to be worked on. A new player sees literally hundreds, maybe even low thousands of mods, and it's hard to piece together how they work together at all or which ones are useful and which ones are not, and a better explanation that didn't have me go to external sources would've been greatly appreciated.
Now I say this in anticipation, you have come upon the quest that hooked me to Warframe for years, that's what Warframe does, it subverts expectations, and you're in for one hell of a ride. I hope you continue to have fun, and I think your commentary and approach on the new player experience is a discussion that is important for the Warframe community to have.
This video definitely earned a subscribe, Tenno. Thanks for sharing and making these videos, hope to see more!
cant wait for that video. might want to throw second dream and the old war together. the second dream is good but it was DEs first go at a real quest and the old war expands very heavy on it and goes much deeper into the second dreams events.
Wait until my guy get to the new war, let hin cook
Its like reliving my discovery of this game. Im glad youre enjoying the tutorial.
Love this! Thank you. I am also new to Warframe(?) downloaded on Xbox One on 10/2014 but never got into it. I was mostly a Destiny player and continued until recently when my clan decided to get weird, and it was best that I left. My son asked me to play Warframe, and I began fresh 03/2024 on PC. I am now MR 10 [still a young Teno] with 11 frames and having the time of my life. Can't wait for your play through of Second Dream.
problem for me is still the very real lack of a clearly defined progressive direction - other than finish all the story content, which is often easier said than done. here's the thing, between pc and ps5 I have over 1k hours into the game and still haven't taken on the new war yet... I have this becasue it's fun to play and I just like building new frames. the game easily accodates players like me who take their time with the story, but it's also super easy to get lost in your own progression along the way. I'll spend several play sessions just trying to track down rare mods or opening relics, doing quick sortie runs, etc... None of that progresses my story or gets me any closer to steel path which is where the really good stuff is - effectively the start of the game with a much more challenging difficulty. But if you want challenge in the early game it's also easy to find. try to optomize your build while actually in high level content, the only barrier to entry being that you either have to have bring a lv 30 frame with you, which is super easy to get just by running a few rounds of onslaught, or you're willing to stick around a level longer then 15-20 minutes. Getting a frame to 30 doesn't mean you're actually ready for high end play, and the game will properly smack you down, even if you're a good mechanical player but are not properly built for the content.
I think the game hides this difficulty curve very well and can be quite deceptive with newer players. But when you're chasing a build and the part you need only has the potential to drop on round c or after a certain higher time limit is reached... you'll start to understand how crazy this game gets, and thats honestly where the game really starts to separate itself out from the competition. Because, and this is key, the power creep is real and DE basically let's us evolve and break the game to keep things going. and that thrill of leveling rooms of enemies but only being two hits from constant death is a hard high to beat :)
i really liked your comment but how you didnt do the new war yet? there was people with less than 1000 hours that did the second dream right after it released lol😆
The relic runs can actually help you get closer to steel path. No idea how many times I've cheated out some nodes by doing the void fissure instead of the normal version just to guarantee that I have teammates
@@Rhuanprof97 I was focused on other aspects of the game and didn't have the required railjack for a long time... I've basically been doing extended endurance runs and simple daily quests before finally turning back to the story - and to clairify, I have over 1k hours combined between two different systems, not the same as having a 1k hours. The account merge was awesome though, and I finally got to combine all my resources into one account. started playing in 2016 too, so I've been in and out of the game for a while, but it's one I'll always come back to.
@@Grimm196 I never thought of that... That's awesome though! I left a good chunk of the star chart alone for a while cause I had nodes no one played and I only recently finished out the basic chart sans new war ad ons, just decided to go for it solo.
One of the saddest aspects of the new player experience is that, from my perspective, they DID fix it... and then the community cried so hard they reverted it.
When the Duviri Paradox first released, DE reworked the first login of the game to play a special cinematic with the Lotus talking to you, explaining that you can either start the game in a Warframe (and play the Vor's Prize quest) or start the game as the Drifter (and begin the game with the Duviri Paradox). This was a FANTASTIC decision by the developers, because not only does it front-load some of Warframe's best content with Duviri Paradox, it also establishes some important narrative aspects right from the get-go and offers a far superior tutorial for the games movement and shooting mechanics.
Unfortunately, the playerbase revolted. The players all cried about how Duviri is not representative of Warframe as a whole, and that it ruined new player's view of the story. I fully believe those voices in the community were wrong, but DE caved. They removed that new intro cinematic, and put the Duviri Paradox unceremoniously hidden inside the codex, available upon completion of Vor's Prize. And it HURTS.
Duviri Paradox is such an incredible tool for new players to have access to *every* item in the game outside of its regular reward structure. You can get warframes and weapons immediately that you'd need to wait over a hundred hours to be able to acquire. And the story is not spoiled in the slightest - your very questions in this video prove that, as did many other content creators at the time.
I will never not be salty that the community whined their way out of Warframe having a legitimately better new player experience. It genuinely breaks my heart to this day that that new intro cinematic was just thrown away, never to be used again. At least you can still find it on youtube...
So, a couple things that need to be corrected, with the caveat that, ultimately, I agree with you...
I replayed a fresh new account to see how this worked, and there wasn't a "cinematic" for this change specifically. The intro cinematic that came with, I believe, the Heart of Deimos update (which brought the new Awakening Warframe intro mission) was still there when Duviri launched. But there wasn't a formal cinematic for Duviri, just Lotus giving a vague choice of which direction to choose. Also, while Duviri does unlock after Vor's Prize, it's not just buried in the codex, you can access it directly from Navigation as the Duviri mask appears under the activity bar, and can be switched to any time a player wants. I'm watching several new players on their journeys on UA-cam, and some of them don't want to do Duviri yet, not because they're not interested, just that they're more invested in upgrading Warframes and weapons at the moment and they want to wait until later on when they're ready.
I deeply love Duviri and what it adds to Warframe, not just in reward structures but in imagination...and again, I agree with you that it was a great thing to add to the beginning, as a kind of mysterious extended prologue that most other games wouldn't want to risk. But I also don't blame DE for removing that, and players for not wanting to dip into it if they're not ready. They spent time reworking much of the early game to streamline their trip around the star chart and to Second Dream, likely because that's a bigger hook than Duviri is. Duviri is awesome, without a doubt, but it does hit harder when you have more context. If a person has the bandwidth to experiment, or they happen to finish Duviri early, then they have a great diversion if they like...but its definitely not required and I would advise players who want to focus on the basics first to avoid it.
@iimFibs It actually was, people are still having their minds blown by it 8.5 years after its release...
Gotta love the "I wasn't impressed by something and therefore it must not be impressive" folks. Don'tcha just hate them? 😉
@iimFibs You...were literally just person. 🤣 Glad you didn't care about it. Lotta other people did. Glad you didn't think it was good. I've played plenty of games people loved and didn't find them the best thing ever. Doesn't make me not respect those games for how good they are.
Happy for you that you didn't like this ONE mission. It's one milestone in a game full of mind blowing milestones.
But hey...you didn't like it and wanted to call people a cult. Dime a dozen opinion on the internet.
Good work. 🫡
i think the issue with Duviri being a new starting place is the fact that, it's Duviri. if they tear off the circuit away from it and have that new player experience be something more mysterious. People wouldn't get an issue.
I've seen what new players thoughts are when leaving duviri, hell one of them is my best friend. The total shift in gameplay and how the normal mission operates would turn people off. The realization what they were playing was not advancing anything, and was so far away from the star chart where everything is actually gotten. It messes with them, since they would be so used to Duviri. My Friends list is a graveyard of new players, and i regret not telling them to focus more on the solar system than duviri.
The only one that stayed is my best friend that i had to force him back into it. I believe what the community said was true because ive seen it happen first hand.
It's a good alternate source of stuff but only after you have gotten a grasp like Legendary drops has, and it honestly makes a lot of what happen in new war less impactful once you know what happened to characters.
@steveverera9999 Kinda why I agree that it was better as an option. I liked the idea of it being the new prologue, but if it's turning people off too soon, making it optional was the way to. They were smart to do it that way.
it's amazing to me that years have gone by and people are still blown away by that mic drop moment that hits when warframe gets serious in it's story
I dont remember the order quests are supposed to be done in since i did them as they released, so for some reason i feel like some quests/lore got skipped.
That might just be because hes mentioning not knowing The Lotus/ Teshin etc.
When that wuest came out there had been plenty of quests, events, lore and people had plenty of time to dig into all of it.
One of my issues is that events have lore and if you miss the event you miss the event.
You're absolutely right on monetization and i still don't understand why DE keeps the in-game market this way.
The most generous game developers seemingly hellbent on making themselves appear the greediest. The in game-market is a relic of a bygone era that needs to change.
9:12 That's why the main progression in the game for the new players are doing the mission nodes on the planets and progress within it. The junction quest tu unlock a new planet serve as a tutorial and to tell the player what he hass to do and what functions the game has. Those junction quests tell you what to do, the junctions unlock new quests, the junctions tell you to do certain quest to unlock more places and things to do, etc
I'm subing, partly because i find myself liking your style, and partly because i LOVE seeing people on they journeys in the second dream :D
I've recently gotten back into warframe and I'm back in deep and watching someone else start fresh is so much fun you have no idea xD look forward to more videos like this