So...I am a Musicology Professor and I teach a class called Black Divas. I'll just say, it isn't just being a famous woman who sings that makes a person a Diva. You can have a big cultural impact and not be a Diva. What makes a Diva is tricky. Some of it has to do with genre, some of it has to do with narrative, and quite a lot of it has to do with the relationship between the singer and the performer. Diva comes from opera...and not all big opera singers were divas...you have to be Divine to be a Diva. Anyhow, this is a huge conversation that I can't get into with all the nuance it needs in the comments section. But it is an exciting and rich topic!
I asked CHATGPT (AI) to generate a criteria based on Mariah Carey as the gold class standard and I'm wondering how much of it you agree with, as you are a Professor teaching Divas... Here's the criteria: Exceptional vocal range and control: Divas are known for their ability to hit high notes effortlessly and maintain an impressive range throughout their performances. Strong stage presence: Divas are often larger-than-life figures on stage, with a commanding presence and an ability to captivate audiences with their charisma and energy. Iconic fashion sense: Divas often have a distinctive sense of style and are known for their glamorous and eye-catching wardrobe choices. Emotional expressiveness: Divas are often able to convey deep emotions through their performances, whether through their lyrics or their vocal delivery. Consistent success: Divas are typically celebrated for their longevity and ability to maintain relevance and success over many years, with a loyal fan base that supports them through their ups and downs. Thanks in advance... Your class sounds so fun.
I wish I went to your school. Wya...yall got a grad program. I took a hip hop culture class n it was one of the hardest classes of my semester..I passed I got either a/b. But we was getting into it!!
I feel like growing up, my family played a lot of Aretha and Tina Turner, so i do have a soft spot for their music. However, when i was coming up, Madonna really had a big impact on me during the late 80s/90s because she made LGBT people feel seen, accepted and empowered. I loved Whitney though too during that period, because that voice is just unmatched, in my opinion.
I need a documentary on what happened to Normani. She was set up to be on the same level as these other stars but she really fizzled out. Are we ever getting the album????
The reason the Kpop artists aren't as popular on Spotify or Apple Music is because they have their own Korean streaming platforms which are the only streams that count to the points systems in their weekly shows and things like that. All the Kpop fans know to stream on those platforms to boost their numbers for those shows and awards and other things.
Love the podcast. Love Bob, but unfortunately he is slightly wrong about the Chattahoochee River. It is absolutely an Atlanta thing. It cuts through the northwestern side of Atlanta.
I would definitely say Michael Jackson, Prince, David Bowie, Freddie Mercury, Elton John and Luther Vandross are male divas. They have a feminine bad bitch persona.
I would like to add some opinion on the diva stuff. Here in Brazil, Megan and SZA are known in different and specific groups of people and they're not that impactful actually. We're very hyped about Anitta, one of the first brazilian singers to ever accomplish some great stuff like the grammys and international performances, and Pabllo Vittar, our greatest talented drag singer and performer. I do think that the metrics for a diva may be their power to break barriers such as languages, ages and genders like Bob said. And also, switching in between TV, music, cinema and other show business areas with such greatness is what makes a diva. Love you both xoxo
Absolutely! But if I may point out, I’ve seen him live a few times, and he plays for 3 hours straight every time- no intermission. He’s a diva but gives his all to his fans! As opposed to the kinds of divas who play for 40 min
Prince was a true diva. He knew how to get attention, how to throw shade, was smart, talented, beautifully handsome, and truly a multi generational star. Prince performing the Super Bowl halftime show has his Diva status on full display.
Question (as a broke Indigenous black Canadian on welfare) do we get the full videos as a stranger patron?? Bob and Monet truly get me through the week with their content. They genuinely make my depression go away for an hour or so a week and i have so many advicery questions. Can you guys explain the stranger tier in detail in the next video plz love u sm from Indian Brook, NS
I looked it up and the stranger tier doesn’t give you access to videos. It’s basically just a tier to show support/love to bob and monet. Here’s the description: Stranger $1 per month By joining this tier you: Are saying "I support this thing you are doing" Earn our genuine thanks for helping to fund the podcast Are basically any stranger on the street and we are not related in any way.
Peach soda inspired thought: I wanna know what vending machines these two had in their high schools. In my day, we had no sodas but there were Snapple and Vitamin Waters. Ughh the peach and raspberry Snapples were by far the most popular/hardest to come by, but we had apple+ fruit punch Snapple for dayyys 🤮
Love when y'all do a part 2!! And Elton John is totally a diva! I agree with Bob in that a "diva" transcends gender and is about how an artist presents themselves and their cultural impact. I think some modern divas are Nicki Minaj, Lizzo, Shakira, Taylor Swift...maybe Harry Styles?
Omg I feel seen when they started talking about camping. I have had pretty much the same conversation with my friends but I took it a step further. I told them I would go glamping instead while they camp and my friends had the absolute nerve to be offended. When I'm like, isn't it offensive to ask me to leave my whole bed just to go and sleep in the wild?
i think for somebody to be a diva, they have to exude that shady powerful diva energy. mariah carey has a diva aura, ke$ha does not. being a diva isn't just about being a female artist that bob is a fan of
idk i think that Prince could be a diva but he's not gay either. I think its just a certain je nais se quoi that makes you a diva, something undefinable
Yes I agree with the AirPods Max they are so uncomfortable to wear on the neck but the are so nicely made and excellent sound but yes very uncomfortable 😂
Bryan Adams was number 1 in the UK for 16 weeks, and Wet Wet Wet had one at 14 weeks... if 40 days seemed like 14 weeks just imagine how we felt 😂 I could have sworn it was a full year I was hearing Everything I Do. It's scarred into my fucking eardrums 😂😂
Lmao 😂 I live u guys I don’t mind the woods literally all that surrounds me . wasn’t allowed to play in the woods but I still did just like I still went ice-Bergen
It goes Baby boomers, Gen X, Gen Y (Millennial), Gen Z, Gen “Homeland” people are saying bc they were born in a more militarized society fighting “terror”
I often use music from The Weeknd for background during sex, and some of the people i've hooked up with have too. I don't know if this contributes at all to him being no 1.
Did yall see that man mad st the baby in the plane😂😂😂THE BABY YELLN😂😂😂DID THAT MAFFAA PAY EXTRA TO BE ON YALL SHOW OR SOMETHING😂😂😂I would of beat him up n real life because they had to de plane him but that video funny af
Bob: Is Stevie Nicks a diva?
Monet: No
Thorgy: *feels vindicated*
16:46 Colleen’s face when she got caught was priceless 😂
When Monet said 40 days are 3 and a half weeks. The math ain’t math-ing!😂
So...I am a Musicology Professor and I teach a class called Black Divas. I'll just say, it isn't just being a famous woman who sings that makes a person a Diva. You can have a big cultural impact and not be a Diva. What makes a Diva is tricky. Some of it has to do with genre, some of it has to do with narrative, and quite a lot of it has to do with the relationship between the singer and the performer. Diva comes from opera...and not all big opera singers were divas...you have to be Divine to be a Diva. Anyhow, this is a huge conversation that I can't get into with all the nuance it needs in the comments section. But it is an exciting and rich topic!
I asked CHATGPT (AI) to generate a criteria based on Mariah Carey as the gold class standard and I'm wondering how much of it you agree with, as you are a Professor teaching Divas... Here's the criteria:
Exceptional vocal range and control: Divas are known for their ability to hit high notes effortlessly and maintain an impressive range throughout their performances.
Strong stage presence: Divas are often larger-than-life figures on stage, with a commanding presence and an ability to captivate audiences with their charisma and energy.
Iconic fashion sense: Divas often have a distinctive sense of style and are known for their glamorous and eye-catching wardrobe choices.
Emotional expressiveness: Divas are often able to convey deep emotions through their performances, whether through their lyrics or their vocal delivery.
Consistent success: Divas are typically celebrated for their longevity and ability to maintain relevance and success over many years, with a loyal fan base that supports them through their ups and downs.
Thanks in advance... Your class sounds so fun.
I wish I went to your school. Wya...yall got a grad program. I took a hip hop culture class n it was one of the hardest classes of my semester..I passed I got either a/b. But we was getting into it!!
Bob cheesing talking with his niece is so damn cute
@@volie4949 bob is cute, but why is it a hill that you need to die on lmao
prince was a diva, little richard, and ngl liberace was one as well
Jacob is the diva
Bob performing in Salinas glove outfit in front of her was SO funny lmao
Bob will make the most random ERRONEOUS statement and spit it like it was straight gospel. We stan the real gaslighting sibling. #monétion 🍏🍏🍏
12:37 Monet wanting to smile yet turning her nose up at the idea of warm soda 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bob throwing out with bone deep conviction that every song you know by Taylor swift is from reputation… I was screaming till Jacob saved us
Same! That was so painful to watch as a Swiftie 😂
no i am freaking out about this right now
Not bone deep conviction 😭😭😭
😂😅 these two are hilarious. Seeing Bob make Monét laugh makes me so happy. I see the joy in Bob's face and it's contagious.
I love Jacob's energy today
I'm living for the unintended shade, which in my opinion, is the most fierce shade! Thanks Jacob!
Monet be talking like his birth mom “June” was excommunicated from his family lol 😂😂 How he tells stories is WILD! 😂😂😅
I feel like growing up, my family played a lot of Aretha and Tina Turner, so i do have a soft spot for their music. However, when i was coming up, Madonna really had a big impact on me during the late 80s/90s because she made LGBT people feel seen, accepted and empowered. I loved Whitney though too during that period, because that voice is just unmatched, in my opinion.
I loved this episode! Esp the swifty part!!! I am LIVING!!
I need a documentary on what happened to Normani. She was set up to be on the same level as these other stars but she really fizzled out. Are we ever getting the album????
IM GAGGED. Monet called Bob OUTTTTTTTT
Oh shit that comment about Mr. Birton in his Kinko’s uniform, teaching the children on the lower east side
The reason the Kpop artists aren't as popular on Spotify or Apple Music is because they have their own Korean streaming platforms which are the only streams that count to the points systems in their weekly shows and things like that. All the Kpop fans know to stream on those platforms to boost their numbers for those shows and awards and other things.
For the singing girls the new Divas of today are Adele, Beyonce, Ariana Grande, Lady Gaga, Sza, Rihanna, P!nk and Kelly Clarkson come to mind.
I would not add pink or Kelly. But Taylor swift n drake
Literally only Rihanna, Gaga and Bey are divas adele is on her way but not yet there, sza and are ariana a whole reach pink maybe kelly heh
Love the podcast. Love Bob, but unfortunately he is slightly wrong about the Chattahoochee River. It is absolutely an Atlanta thing. It cuts through the northwestern side of Atlanta.
Gather him again for me
Yes and the river starts in NE GA, goes into Atlanta (ITP), and runs SW towards Columbus.
Lol straight off the bat...🤣👏 love y'all ahhaha
I have been waiting for you guys to talk about that performance!!! I was there and it was absolutely ICONIC!
I would definitely say Michael Jackson, Prince, David Bowie, Freddie Mercury, Elton John and Luther Vandross are male divas. They have a feminine bad bitch persona.
I would like to add some opinion on the diva stuff. Here in Brazil, Megan and SZA are known in different and specific groups of people and they're not that impactful actually. We're very hyped about Anitta, one of the first brazilian singers to ever accomplish some great stuff like the grammys and international performances, and Pabllo Vittar, our greatest talented drag singer and performer. I do think that the metrics for a diva may be their power to break barriers such as languages, ages and genders like Bob said. And also, switching in between TV, music, cinema and other show business areas with such greatness is what makes a diva. Love you both xoxo
I love Bob’s closeness with the family! Such a beautiful thing!
Elton John is 100% a diva
Absolutely! But if I may point out, I’ve seen him live a few times, and he plays for 3 hours straight every time- no intermission. He’s a diva but gives his all to his fans! As opposed to the kinds of divas who play for 40 min
Elton is that gworl😍💖
I agree. His vocal range, demeanor and even the shades he threw off stage... a diva through and through!
@@Reylandson and the entire blue sequin suit
Lil Nas X also has the highest & longest diamond selling single in history a huge feat on how young he is.
It was bought
The whole episode I kept singing “nah nah nah Diva is a female version of a huuuussslaaaa”
Only Bob can make "I go - You go" a read
Also I would give the diva status to Billy Porter as well.
Prince was a diva, and david bowie, billy porter, Boy George, Liberace
Prince was a true diva. He knew how to get attention, how to throw shade, was smart, talented, beautifully handsome, and truly a multi generational star.
Prince performing the Super Bowl halftime show has his Diva status on full display.
Usually I'll hear Monet out but Elton IS a Diva omg
Question (as a broke Indigenous black Canadian on welfare) do we get the full videos as a stranger patron?? Bob and Monet truly get me through the week with their content. They genuinely make my depression go away for an hour or so a week and i have so many advicery questions. Can you guys explain the stranger tier in detail in the next video plz love u sm from Indian Brook, NS
I looked it up and the stranger tier doesn’t give you access to videos. It’s basically just a tier to show support/love to bob and monet.
Here’s the description:
Stranger
$1 per month
By joining this tier you:
Are saying "I support this thing you are doing"
Earn our genuine thanks for helping to fund the podcast
Are basically any stranger on the street and we are not related in any way.
Does anyone else envision Jacob just vibing while the girls are fighting - just the eye of the storm
Peach soda inspired thought: I wanna know what vending machines these two had in their high schools. In my day, we had no sodas but there were Snapple and Vitamin Waters.
Ughh the peach and raspberry Snapples were by far the most popular/hardest to come by, but we had apple+ fruit punch Snapple for dayyys 🤮
Hearing Jacob's tastes in music made me want a fellow theater kid bf
Monet coming to drag Bob for not calling anymore and acting brand new is too real😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wasn’t Elton John on that VH1 special Divas and he was like feuding with Cher or some shit like that? Any other millennials remember that?
I got sibling issues too. It's crazy because monet is one of my sister names. we were separated by dad for decades
It’s 11pm here … y’all hate me being healthy and well rested 🙄
BABBYYY Jacob you betta gatha Monet hahaha " I'm from Brooklyn, FK the Bronx" I'm dead I love yall so much, I'm tuned in every second
You missed the biggest DIVA of them all… Bob Thee Drag Queen during season 8 filming! 😂 at least the energy 😬💁🏻♀️
Jacob cutting up Michelle in the background 🤣🤣🤣
Let the gaslighting begin 🙏
Love when y'all do a part 2!! And Elton John is totally a diva! I agree with Bob in that a "diva" transcends gender and is about how an artist presents themselves and their cultural impact. I think some modern divas are Nicki Minaj, Lizzo, Shakira, Taylor Swift...maybe Harry Styles?
This was a wonderful ride as usual ❤️😂 have a safe flight ✈️
Ty non and monet! Love u and all that you do! ❤❤❤❤
The way I cackled during the bride roast story.
We literally have almost anything peach flavored in Florida. I hate anything peach flavored 😩😭
THE FLETCHER SHOUT OUT FROM BOB???????? WE LOVE TO SEEEE IT
I’m a warm soda girlie tooooo Bob ✨ feeling seen.
A nice room temp cherry Coke Zero 🤤
Ok im up!!!
the diva metric is just by vibes
“He wears shirts and I’m in the bleachers” 😩😩😂😂😂
EPIC xoxoxo thank you so much
I LOVE SHAKIRA!!!!! She is also very popular in the states by the Spanish speaking community.
that segway was top notch 😂
Bobs unamused facial expressions always kill me 😂
I had a peach soda in Houston and I was living again (from virginia staying in NY)
Jacob was wild!! And I love it!! 😂 😂
Omg I feel seen when they started talking about camping. I have had pretty much the same conversation with my friends but I took it a step further. I told them I would go glamping instead while they camp and my friends had the absolute nerve to be offended. When I'm like, isn't it offensive to ask me to leave my whole bed just to go and sleep in the wild?
Watching in Perth Australia ❤
i think for somebody to be a diva, they have to exude that shady powerful diva energy. mariah carey has a diva aura, ke$ha does not. being a diva isn't just about being a female artist that bob is a fan of
I like my soda room temp most of the time when I'm at home. but it depends on my mood.
Not the baby crying making me scared someone was in my store while we were closed and panicked for a second! 🤣
Kill bill has NOT hit number one on billboard yet… it’s peaked at 2 that’s why she did the remix with Doja
idk i think that Prince could be a diva but he's not gay either. I think its just a certain je nais se quoi that makes you a diva, something undefinable
the Bunny reference at 43:50 is so camp
Millennials are Gen Y and Gen Alpha is the next generation after Gen Z so Monét was actually right about that lol
Yes I agree with the AirPods Max they are so uncomfortable to wear on the neck but the are so nicely made and excellent sound but yes very uncomfortable 😂
8:45 omg the can opening is so on brand with Bob. And yesss peach soda hits. And I'm from texas. Grape and orange soda is disgusting
Havasupai falls is like a 9 mile hike...
@43:35 Jacob really said “Michelle ViWHO??” 😳😂
Money does not want to go camping or sleep outside but she wants to do survivor lol
Bryan Adams was number 1 in the UK for 16 weeks, and Wet Wet Wet had one at 14 weeks... if 40 days seemed like 14 weeks just imagine how we felt 😂 I could have sworn it was a full year I was hearing Everything I Do. It's scarred into my fucking eardrums 😂😂
Bob being a Zelda fan makes me so happy. :') Plz stream playing the new Zelda game when it comes out next month!!!
Shakira has broken many of the records mentioned, since her BZRP single came out.
Not a musician but Andre Leon Talley was definitely a diva but idk if that counts here 🤷🏾♀️
That’s what happens when you dont invite your best friend to the function and they always find out you didnt lol
lol I learned about longitude and latitude in school I am from NJ we did learn about geography and maps
I had a lucid dream once and I was in a car with bob and monet in the dream 😂
Undrunk by FLETCHER was played way too much by me a few years ago
Lmao 😂 I live u guys I don’t mind the woods literally all that surrounds me . wasn’t allowed to play in the woods but I still did just like I still went ice-Bergen
It goes Baby boomers, Gen X, Gen Y (Millennial), Gen Z, Gen “Homeland” people are saying bc they were born in a more militarized society fighting “terror”
If it's debatable then they're not a diva....a diva is accepted by everyone
Why does Monet not mention that male opera singers are called Divo’s
I often use music from The Weeknd for background during sex, and some of the people i've hooked up with have too. I don't know if this contributes at all to him being no 1.
my queens my queens my queensssss ❤
Ain't nothing like fresh catfish sandwich 🐟 🥪 on white bread
Y’all are hilarious
Did yall see that man mad st the baby in the plane😂😂😂THE BABY YELLN😂😂😂DID THAT MAFFAA PAY EXTRA TO BE ON YALL SHOW OR SOMETHING😂😂😂I would of beat him up n real life because they had to de plane him but that video funny af
happy friday😛😛
omg bob wearing the same whitney t-shirt that also happens to be my favorite shirt
Luther Vandross! How can you be Black and gay and miss that.
Damn, what did Seduction do to Jacob? LMAO
Spotify isn't used very much in Korea, so kpop artist's "listens" are lower