I had a job at united technologies one time running monel for a oxygen line in an explosive environment. We tested 5 welders before we found one that could make the welds. Very high nickle content makes welding this alloy difficult. You are very good and would have been a great asset in our local.
This is the toughest thing I've ever welded, its one of the only metals that Ive seen survive in saltwater. Super expensive though, 20 foot length of 80 Sch 6 inch ran my job 20K...Weld on brother
i have welded monel and have passed quals. Big thing is the toes of the welds and the stops get the copper silicates. Files them or lightly grind them.
I’m 19 and taking welding courses. I’m taking SMAW MIG TIG FLUX and pipe welding. I’m getting my AA degree then ima apply somewhere to get real life experience. I just don’t know where to start. I could join a local union and get good money, but I could also get trained to tig weld in a shop. Eventually if want my own rig truck and shop. I don’t want to be the average welder 💰 , advice?
Do not snip off your filler metal number. That is your traceability when the inspector shows up. All in all awesome video my only critique. Messing round in the shop one thing but maintain traceability.
Great Video...and informative.... When it comes to welding rod, I like to leave the stamped alloy name on and just bend the rod to 90 degrees at the name, that way I know what alloy the rod is and it gives me a way of picking the rod off a flat surface while wearing gloves by rolling the rod until the little tail is upright and grabable. It also lets me know what end of the rod is hot if I lay it down..... It looks like you do not need a post flow on the bead , unlike Stainless, is that correct? Thanks .Cheers form Florida, Paul
I usually use full length rod (not cut in half) that’s why I clip one stamp off and it’s not as sensitive to oxidize like stainless but if it’s super hot it will
Lol super dangerous to weld as far as carcinogens go , read the packet for the welding rods ! Wow . We were making chemical screens with it in 3-6mm sheet with a heap of tube penetration through it . Felt quite dirty to weld with a dusty skin forming on the surface on the pool. Interesting stuff 👍
@@panzerfaust7672 EU countries are all pssy. That's why they scream and cry like little girls for America to come to the rescue whenever there is a crisis like right now in Ukraine.
I noticed he wasn't wearing a respirator either! Not a good idea. If it was carbon, sure, whatever, but not a chance I weld stainless/inco/monel without at least a respirator.
@@S0lidStewie Both filler rods can be used on most nickle based materials.mostly i think around 20% nickle with a low iron content. Hastolloy has less iron and is more chemical resistant, Inconel takes more heat.
For such a tricky alloy that doesn't like contamination painters tape is a no no. If a contractor pays for such an expensive alloy surely they will shell out the dough for true purge products.
You can, but if you have a good vent hole for it to outlet to then no. It’s just got to have a secondary exit other then the root opening at the last tie in
Drip 3/32 on one side and drag over. Lay wire on monel and other nickel alloys is not the best way to root. Monel also holds a lot of heat. Around the same size pipe I was hot passing on 220 and filling at 280. Nickel alloys heat is generally your friend. This rooting method works great from duplex to inco to even pure nickel.
Starting the purge before taping up - I didn't think argon was that cheap. It's obvious this changes is now geared towards the pros and nothing more than eye candy for the hobbyists.
i know its only a rotater but i spent 20 minutes looking at a chuck with the key in it and all i could think about was a chuck sitting there with a key in it...
En este caso que sucede con la protección interna, ya que la retirastes para la terminación ooh presentación,.¿esta contemplado en el WPS de el monel 400?
It would be nice to have a table clamp that swiveled so that you could stand upright and not have to crouch and bend in all those uncomfortable positions. And gravity would always be on your side.
I know it's a test coupon, but should you not be using proper metal purge tape and Argon + 2.5% or even 5.0% Hydrogen shield gas to really clean up the weld.pool
If this gentleman would have chosen SMAW it would require a fresh air respirator.Simply because the process WPS ,requires a type of Inconel filler metal. The Flux on the SMAW Electrode , would produce Hexavalient Chromiium Gases . Lots of Red Tape and Costs . FYI 35+ yrs of Code Welding Good Job ! 👍 Tip: Flush more ,Cary less metal on Reinforcement Beads , =SLICK WELD WITH CONFIDEBCE !
To even weld alloys at a big job.. you must know people inside.. if you going to school learning to weld alloys and don’t have contacts it’s a waste of money truthfully
Welded a lot of this. Are you using Argon with 5% Hydrogen. Have always welded,Monel and Monel 400 with this. And Cunifer. They are all poiseness fumes guys!! Wear an air fed.!!!
This comment is the truth, in the EU you will almost see air feds in every shop not like the states welding alloys with just a flip up hood lol, a lot of the safety rules were made up by American companies but they are still working like the 50's... No air feds, no dungarees/coveralls provided by the employer, just some wranglers and a button up in chemical plants!
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@@ninesixteengenetix monel is an alloy that contains copper and nickel, yes, along with other alloying elements in small percentages. Main part of the alloy though is Nickel, making up 60% plus. By Copper Nickel, im guessing he means CuNi 90/10 (90% copper, 10% nickel) or 70/30 (70% copper 30% nickel)
Monel is a nickel copper (more nickel then copper) and copper-nickel or the other cool trade names is more copper then nickel. Rod rn67 welds pretty good but smwelding that shit to mild steel with whatever that other filler is… sucks.
@@kylejames255 When one knows welding and has experience for to many years one can becomes dated by stating the years welding, it is hard to feel really challenged with any of the welding method types. I must be guilty of saying something IGNORANT. No ignorant rudeness intended Kyle. Just someone who mastered the art form of welding. Peace fella too.
Why do these welding videos assume we all know what Monel 400 alloy is? If you assume we all know it all, then why make an instructional video? And what is the CFH of the torch? Sounds like the flow is strong enough to arc gouge with, if it was air instead of argon.
What makes you think this is an instructional video? He's just demonstrating how he welds this thing, not trying to teach anybody watching this how to weld it. No way you're going to learn how to weld monel from a video.
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I had a job at united technologies one time running monel for a oxygen line in an explosive environment. We tested 5 welders before we found one that could make the welds. Very high nickle content makes welding this alloy difficult. You are very good and would have been a great asset in our local.
What local?
Very skilled welder, he definitely made this look far easier than it really is. Great work!
Why did the camera cut away from the initial tack weld? Then cuts past the initiation of the second tack?
This is the toughest thing I've ever welded, its one of the only metals that Ive seen survive in saltwater. Super expensive though, 20 foot length of 80 Sch 6 inch ran my job 20K...Weld on brother
Super Duplex will do too
Try HASTERALLOY
@@dominickgulizo8473 try hastaloy lol
@@chrislindsey3523 try hastelloy 🤣
@@rich3633 you ever seen alloy spelled with an e 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i have welded monel and have passed quals. Big thing is the toes of the welds and the stops get the copper silicates. Files them or lightly grind them.
I was a welder for 50 years, no problem just weld it. Git er done. Remember it isn’t a horse race.
Exactly
Yeh mate it's not a pissing contest lol 😆
I’m 19 and taking welding courses. I’m taking SMAW MIG TIG FLUX and pipe welding. I’m getting my AA degree then ima apply somewhere to get real life experience. I just don’t know where to start. I could join a local union and get good money, but I could also get trained to tig weld in a shop. Eventually if want my own rig truck and shop. I don’t want to be the average welder 💰 , advice?
How is that with the elektrode from skratch start and xray pipe???
@@gasclutch6280 dont pidgeon hole yourself in a shop doing the same thing day in and day out.
Sheeeesh!!! Nice work David! I’m going to have to throw down on that monel 400, looks like a good time! 🔥
Thanks man we still have some around left over
If you think it's a good time try Monel to steel and let me know how much fun you have!
@@youmustbekidding7341 challenge excepted lol 😆
Im just here only for David!! Hurry UP dude!!! U great!!!
Do not snip off your filler metal number. That is your traceability when the inspector shows up. All in all awesome video my only critique. Messing round in the shop one thing but maintain traceability.
Nice job! I'm tired just by watching so many passes being laid down. That's a lot of work.
Appreciate that filler rod is $40+a pound for Monel 400
Nice video. I bet you know But you should be using Respirator mask when working on those metals.
Such an insightful video. Thanks to entire team
On the last fill pass he went down to 55 amps???? That must be an error 55 seems to low
Good old blue tape. Good tips too.
gracias por compartir y enseñarnos buen trabajo ...que otra aplicacion se le puede dar a este aporte ?Monel 60 ERNiCu-7
I see what you mean about the droppy look and the green hue that would suck but weld looks good 💯💪🙏
Awesome video, I’m going to have to do a weld on Alloy 20 for my work. Very informative.
@@jacen2001 that’s exactly what the application is for, dichloroacetic acid which is nasty stuff.
The way his welding it it’s pretty easy, when your in the plant with all kinds of pipes around you that’s where it’s a little difficult.
Great video, very informative on some hard tricky metal!
Great Video...and informative....
When it comes to welding rod, I like to leave the stamped alloy name on and just bend the rod to 90 degrees at the name,
that way I know what alloy the rod is and it gives me a way of picking the rod off a flat surface while wearing gloves
by rolling the rod until the little tail is upright and grabable.
It also lets me know what end of the rod is hot if I lay it down.....
It looks like you do not need a post flow on the bead , unlike Stainless, is that correct? Thanks
.Cheers form Florida, Paul
I usually use full length rod (not cut in half) that’s why I clip one stamp off and it’s not as sensitive to oxidize like stainless but if it’s super hot it will
Inspectors and QA staff where i work, do their crust if stub ends of rods dont have the stamped part in lol
Lol super dangerous to weld as far as carcinogens go , read the packet for the welding rods ! Wow . We were making chemical screens with it in 3-6mm sheet with a heap of tube penetration through it . Felt quite dirty to weld with a dusty skin forming on the surface on the pool. Interesting stuff 👍
Every welding rod ever made has the same carcinogen labels. Welding in general is badly carcinogenic. Really no getting away from it.
Try a mix of argon 2.5 or 5.0% hydrogen that will clean your weld pool and produce a smoother weld
Yes that's why it's mandatory in a lot of EU countries for the employer to provide you a speedglass PAPR unit
@@panzerfaust7672 EU countries are all pssy. That's why they scream and cry like little girls for America to come to the rescue whenever there is a crisis like right now in Ukraine.
I noticed he wasn't wearing a respirator either! Not a good idea. If it was carbon, sure, whatever, but not a chance I weld stainless/inco/monel without at least a respirator.
What a coincidence I ve been welding Monel all month, can you guys do Inconel as well?
I love welding inconel and hastelloy.
They've got a good inconel video, it was one of the first few videos they made
So ErNiCrMo-3 and ErNiCrMo-4 not inconel??? Or are they both hastolloy
@@S0lidStewie Both filler rods can be used on most nickle based materials.mostly i think around 20% nickle with a low iron content. Hastolloy has less iron and is more chemical resistant, Inconel takes more heat.
@@S0lidStewie We use NiCrMo-3 for Inconel 625 only.
Hell yea David that’s awesome
Thanks Klay
What is the brandname of this blue purge tape? thx for an answer👍
Its just regular masking tape. I like 3m brand blue tape
@@ktmturbo5836 thx mate✌🏼
For such a tricky alloy that doesn't like contamination painters tape is a no no. If a contractor pays for such an expensive alloy surely they will shell out the dough for true purge products.
Why you went down to 55 amps?
I’m having a lot of problems trying to weld 2 different materials using TIG, alloy 20 vs SS 316 😢 any ideas ?
So you don't have to turn the purge down for the final tie in on alloy?
You can, but if you have a good vent hole for it to outlet to then no. It’s just got to have a secondary exit other then the root opening at the last tie in
Drip 3/32 on one side and drag over. Lay wire on monel and other nickel alloys is not the best way to root. Monel also holds a lot of heat. Around the same size pipe I was hot passing on 220 and filling at 280. Nickel alloys heat is generally your friend. This rooting method works great from duplex to inco to even pure nickel.
I always was told to weld quarter at a time. Stagger the quarters. So your gap wouldn't close on you.
You are right, keep doing that please lol some welders watch this and fuck my fits right up ahahah
With good penetrated tacks and putting your root in quickly it will stay pretty straight
What brand is that tig rig
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Hi brother me monal alloy 2"pipe welding but root pass time crack coming.pl explain
Always found monel welds better with a mix of argon with either 2.5 or 5.0% hydrogen
You could just snip your rod in half and chuck the flat ends when you get them down to a stub
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Starting the purge before taping up - I didn't think argon was that cheap. It's obvious this changes is now geared towards the pros and nothing more than eye candy for the hobbyists.
Most hobbyist don't weld this kind of metal or even know what it is
Very Nice welding
Can anyone tell me why he turned the amps back down to 55 for the last couple beads of the fill pass?
Typo it was 155 if I remember right
i know its only a rotater but i spent 20 minutes looking at a chuck with the key in it and all i could think about was a chuck sitting there with a key in it...
Most people get impatient and don't watch their interpass temp and weld to much at once. They often weld to much and push the root pass into pipe
Yep, and this really should be kept below 300 interpass temp
What was the amps on the root
Excelente trabalho, aprendi muito.
En este caso que sucede con la protección interna, ya que la retirastes para la terminación ooh presentación,.¿esta contemplado en el WPS de el monel 400?
say what we are in America speak English
It would be nice to have a table clamp that swiveled so that you could stand upright and not have to crouch and bend in all those uncomfortable positions. And gravity would always be on your side.
You mean to spin the coupon? That's the point of the test. It certifies you for all positions
Never heard the word "here" so much in my life.
Great job
Witch caind this metal?
if you can weld stainless you can weld monel. it aint that deep or intimidating. just read the puddle and weld
Why i learded to weld left and right handed ti welding pipe.
I know it's a test coupon, but should you not be using proper metal purge tape and Argon + 2.5% or even 5.0% Hydrogen shield gas to really clean up the weld.pool
How much money was spent on the filler?
Nice job 😃😃😃 Thanks
Good job
“ I would have stick welded it “
Usually said by someone at the shop whenever I’m tiggin something...
"I'd do it myself, but there's not a mig machine around here" it's what I used to heard from alot of squirt gun welders
If this gentleman would have chosen SMAW it would require a fresh air respirator.Simply because the process WPS ,requires a type of Inconel filler metal. The Flux on the SMAW Electrode , would produce Hexavalient Chromiium Gases . Lots of Red Tape and Costs . FYI
35+ yrs of Code Welding Good Job ! 👍
Tip: Flush more ,Cary less metal on Reinforcement Beads , =SLICK
WELD WITH CONFIDEBCE !
1 year experience need more please teach me
Thanks
excellent
To even weld alloys at a big job.. you must know people inside.. if you going to school learning to weld alloys and don’t have contacts it’s a waste of money truthfully
Nice 👍
Welded a lot of this.
Are you using Argon with 5% Hydrogen.
Have always welded,Monel and Monel 400 with this.
And Cunifer. They are all poiseness fumes guys!!
Wear an air fed.!!!
This comment is the truth, in the EU you will almost see air feds in every shop not like the states welding alloys with just a flip up hood lol, a lot of the safety rules were made up by American companies but they are still working like the 50's... No air feds, no dungarees/coveralls provided by the employer, just some wranglers and a button up in chemical plants!
good
Why do walking cup must better..
Nicee!!
i understand u are showing Tig welding Monel, but its alot easier to mig weld
Normalement un bord à bord avec cheinfrein pas besoin de laisser autant de jeu
god damn if that isn't quality welding I don't know what is
Dear sir i mean no disrespect you should not use LORDS NAME IN VAIN
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It's not all that hard, just have to feed the wire a little faster.
Y’all think you can shoot a how to on copper nickel ??
I think there’s one video out there on how to do it and it’s not to informational lol
I'm pretty sure MONEL is copper nickel bro
@@ninesixteengenetix monel is an alloy that contains copper and nickel, yes, along with other alloying elements in small percentages. Main part of the alloy though is Nickel, making up 60% plus.
By Copper Nickel, im guessing he means CuNi 90/10 (90% copper, 10% nickel) or 70/30 (70% copper 30% nickel)
@@kf8575 what did you copy and paste that from Google lol
Monel is a nickel copper (more nickel then copper) and copper-nickel or the other cool trade names is more copper then nickel. Rod rn67 welds pretty good but smwelding that shit to mild steel with whatever that other filler is… sucks.
Money money monel!
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This channel should b called cold tube dude will get smoked in the field welding cold asf
No dont cut the stamped side of the filler wire! Hold it from that end lol.
Yeah the right QC would pull your stencil for that
I like to use the full length rod(not cut in half ) so I usually clip one end of the stamping
@@cirizawelding5076 you must not wed in the field? No way your fitting a full size wire in a pipe rack haha
👍 thank you for pointing that out
@@jeepwk6.5L The QueerC isn't going to do a damn thing.
I'm big welder
Teach me how to weld 😂😂😂
I welded monel using the SMAW method for years. Not really hard that hard to weld.
You do realize how much more difficult tig welding is than stick welding ESPECIALLY nickel alloy pipe lol. Such an ignorant thing to say
@@kylejames255 When one knows welding and has experience for to many years one can becomes dated by stating the years welding, it is hard to feel really challenged with any of the welding method types. I must be guilty of saying something IGNORANT. No ignorant rudeness intended Kyle. Just someone who mastered the art form of welding. Peace fella too.
You had a good video till you told them cut the stamp off the rod lol..
Why do these welding videos assume we all know what Monel 400 alloy is? If you assume we all know it all, then why make an instructional video? And what is the CFH of the torch? Sounds like the flow is strong enough to arc gouge with, if it was air instead of argon.
What makes you think this is an instructional video? He's just demonstrating how he welds this thing, not trying to teach anybody watching this how to weld it. No way you're going to learn how to weld monel from a video.
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i dont get why you guys use scratch start even on stuff like this. join the modern times and get a button on there.
1:17 se te salió lo hispano,,,lol
PARA ( 3/16 gap )
Les français sont beaucoup plus forts et les soudure sont plus propres que les américains...les postes de soudure ont pas de h.f aux États-Unis. Je dis ça car je suis soudeur aussi
dude is good at welding but damn he's awkward on camera lmao
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Purge it because its food grade stainless....and a consumable ring.....6g......been welding since 88....some of these vids make me sleepy
You should learne to weld with both hands..
Dude u failed.....no grinder
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Union boilermaker....687
Not good
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Food grade
"The material "likes" to close up quickly. No material "likes" anything. It is not sentient. This material has a tendency to close up quickly though.
Go back to the rez