Nintendo PlayStation Prototype: Finally Working!
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2017
- It’s been almost a year since the Team met Terry Diebold and his Nintendo-Playstation prototype at the 2016 MGC (Midwest Gaming Classic). They have a month to give it back to him at the next Midwest Gaming Classic and their goal is to have it back to him in working condition. Visit the Ben Heck page: bit.ly/2pdwrM4
Live Stream of Nintendo-Playstation Protoype Part 1: bit.ly/2qLMeD5
Live Stream of Nintendo-Playstation Prototype Part 2:
bit.ly/2paRELC
Enter to Win on the Techno Toys Competition: bit.ly/2pdrPFu
There are two digital-to-analog converters (DACs) on the prototype. One of them is for the Super Nintendo side and one of them is for the CD ROM side. They are muxed together after that. DACs take digital streams and turn them into analog signals - audio in this case. Ben has the prototype hooked up to an Oscilloscope so he can take a closer look at it. He checks the signal for the music from Super Mario Kart and is able to determine that the Super Nintendo DAC is working. The CD rom DAC, which is side by side with the SNES DAC, is not working however.
Ben’s been doing some mapping of the schematic and thinks he knows what a mystery chip does. Its probably some sort of BUS location decoder chip. Someone has mapped out what data you send out from the expansion port. The chip let’s you talk to other chips on the board based on what type of register is sent out. Ben continues mapping out the chip in order to give him more points from which to test things.
After replacing several questionable capacitors off-camera and jiggling some things around, Ben returns to the shop to find that CD ROM on the Nintendo-Playstation prototype is suddenly working. On the board there is a CD ROM controller chip, a digital signal processor, and there’s also a microprocessor on a connected board. When the system is not in game mode, the microcontroller on the connected board tells the CD ROM controller on the motherboard what to do (such as play music). Ben checks the ribbon cables and takes measurements from the three potentiometers on the driver board for the disc.
Ben attempts to get a disc to boot up a game disc. A SNES program is sending commands to the NEC microcontroller, telling it to do disc functions. These commands (and data) would have gone over the expansion bus if this had been a SNES add-on. Super Boss Gaiden loads to black screen so progress has been made. No one has actually made games for the Nintendo-Playstation prototype, the Super Boss Gaiden game was programmed for an emulator. After making adjustments to the burn disc, Ben is able to successfully get a game to run!
Disclaimer: bit.ly/2qLz4Ge - Наука та технологія
Nintendo Playstation sounds like something my mum would call the wii
alex Bathe underrated comment lol
The exact same comment from the last episode.
My mom viewed no consoles as any different. So she always called the Playstation a Nintendo. XD
V Guyver There was an offer up listing for a PS1 titled as old Nintendo game console. I'm guessing by an older lady (judging from username & other )
Lol!
Only took 25 years, but Nintendo fans finally have a functioning CD player for their Super Nintendo.
in japan there was a Gamecube with a dvd player, and its nore very rare and very pricey to get one
@Ethan Stam Your right!
It must play Dookie or I'll be depressed.
@@lajeandom Panasonic Q?
All of a sudden started working. "What changed!?" Story of troubleshooting electronics and computers
So what did happen? Was it the cables? Or still a mystery? I'd hardly call it done and ready for the programmers if they still don't know why the CD was not working.
An annotation said something about IRQ
*when I fix anything
The power of George Micheal!
Pull the cable out, put the cable back in again, it works!
Well...There goes the warranty....
what warranty?
they never made one for this machine
It's a joke fool
I know but who cares about the warranty
it would've expired a decade ago
comicbookjerk IRONY:
verb that depicts the phrase when you get stomped by godzilla while you are in a lizard hunt.
@ TheKHfan358over3d
Its a prototype, meaning there never was a warranty as it was never sold to customers to take advantage of one...
this channel is pure genius. you basically turned a prototype into a working game console.
You are now officialy part of the video game history. Congratulations !
1UP🍄
The winner is you!
All your win are belong to Ben
Ben Heck already was
actually the crowbar snaps in two
A few people are asking about when/where this fits in with the live streams and/or if there's more diagnosis/info about the work done on it. You should watch the two livestreams on the element14 Community, this episode lies just before the second livestream, livestream one: bit.ly/2qLMeD5, livestream two: bit.ly/2paRELC - also immense thanks go out to Terry and Dan Diebold for giving the opportunity to work with it! Thanks for watching!
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Livestream 2 has been blocked with this error "This video contains content from WMG, who has blocked it on copyright grounds."
Next step? Mass production… maybe. Did anyone 3D scanned its shell for prosperity?
Avouez vous voulez une copie de la console pour votre collection ;)
ET COMMENT!
Is this an oscilloscope reading the signal?
prosperity or posterity bro?
it's an important distinction
Wow. Amazing! You've basically turned the prototype into an actual working system! Considering this stuff was relatively unknown and intact from the 90s and your being able to do this really shows how anything is possible. This was a huge challenge, good job! I guess the next big one is that N64 portable LOL... seems like it's been at least as tough.
n64 portable has been done over a million times. We don't need another n64 to be hacked to pieces.
I was referring to the fact he actually took on the project. I just believe in Ben, but of course if there's something he doesn't want to do, no one is forcing him LOL, he's a grown man. :D
The prototype WAS already working, but broke over time.
Sharif Sourour Or the American N64 Disk drive
Define working? Just because you turn something on and a light glows red doesn't mean it is fully functional. Getting software to actually play nice with the hardware is a significant achievement.
When you have no idea what's going on throughout the video, but you still are fascinated
Super cool, I'm glad you guys were able to help preserve this bit of history.
This is truly an astonishing achievement for the history of gaming, and electronics in general! This is was clearly no small feat! I hope you receive the reverence you guys deserve.
Amazing job, Ben! I thought we would never see this thing outside of old magazines and such, let alone a full teardown video. Keep up the awesome work!
Clearing stuff up. Sony did NOT want nintendos ip's. The deal fell through because sony wanted 100% of the CD profits. Leaving nintendo only with hardware sales.
Sony and Nintendo were both in the wrong. Sony was wrong for being greedy little shits, and Nintendo was wrong for thinking that partnering with Phillips behind Sony's back was a better idea than just renegotiating the contracts for the PS1. Really, if the two companies met eye-to-eye and actually communicated back in the day, Nintendo and Sony's stories as console makers would've been much better, especially when you consider the implication that by the time the PS1 was abandoned by Nintendo, it would've been a full-fledged console rather than an add-on.
Dude nintendo has way more money than sony bro. look it up.
check your facts bro
ayyy check you:
Sony: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony
Nintendo: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo
There you go, "Check your facts bro" blown to pieces.
To be fair Nintendo still had cartridges sales as well as hardware. Both were arrogant but Nintendo should of taken Sony more seriously
Honestly, this is awesome!! I'm so happy it is working now!
You really did it, Ben Heck!
yay! so thrilled to see the prototype up and working 100%! what I'd love to see is CD versions of the MSU-1 modded games, or something similar where they replaced the audio with higher-quality stuff... that'd be awesome!
I wonder if this would have been a successful system if it would have hit the shelves, or would it have been loaded with FMVs like the Sega CD?
that would have been nice.
That is true, but we could only guess what could have been and what the developers could have done.
From what Ben Heck has analysed of this, it doesn't look like it would have even be capable of FMVs (The Sega CD was a faster console, even then the FMVs were in a tiny box on the screen).
There's certainly no video streaming hardware, unlike on the original PlayStation.
I expect the hardware wouldn't have been very compelling at all, the appeal would have been the SNES software library - which Sony demanded 100% of the publishing rights and profits to - so no benefit for Nintendo on this one.
We probably would have seen a lot more large-scale JRPG games with expansive stories and many more sprite variations and some very high-quality music - which sounds really good to me. CD games would have been cheaper too. The JRPG scene moved over to PlayStation for the CD capacity.
do you have a link?
do you have a link to that soundtrack?
Man you've got some real skills there. A real joy to watch!
It is neat that you got to get it working. I was lucky to be allowed to take a picture holding it at this year's MAGFest.
This is awesome. I would love to see some prototype games or tech demos. Edit: was that the Battletoads pause music!? I love this man haha.
When you pause the game, you get this catchy beat. lol
I knew that beat was familiar, but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Great job!
Im so stoked to see the unit working Ben! Your a legend!!!
Keep up the good work!
Amazing! I'm so glad this piece of gaming history finally works!
so do you think you could make an expansion pack for the NES or SNES that read the discs?
treypop there actually was an unreleased expansion pack for the snes. but its just as rare as the nintendo playstation and its still haven't been found.
I know but, all the parts in the Nintendo PlayStation Prototype are off the shelf parts so you technically could recreate it as an expansion pack.
Well the Question is would it be possible to creat a Hardware clone of it ? Or even a Ben Heck Hardware clone of this console ?
Just get a beefy microcontroller, make it accept the same commands and control a CD-ROM drive and bob's your uncle.
Amazing but Id like to have a Hardware clone of the Playstation and not Bob as my Uncle :P ( Thank you for the tip :3 )
Well, if you're talking a 1:1 clone, it's probably not possible as there is quite a lot of custom chips there.
Of course, you could reverse engineer chip by chip and use one (or more if you want the layout too) fpga/CPLD chips to reproduce the functionality, but it would still be your own design.
Well you have a point there
As I understand it, you sort of could, but it would be easier/cheaper to do a hybrid hardware/emulation clone where you recreate the common/mechanical parts and emulate the functions of the custom chips.
So great that you guys got it working!
Aww, thet is so cool, you guys! So awesome you got it working! Now we know what could have been without having to find a way into an alternate reality! Lovin' it!
I'm confused, so what was really wrong with it? Bad ribbon cables, a cold solder joint? It appears as it magically started working on its own...
..or the last ninja bad cap was ruining everything?
I wonder this too. Did he replace the cable after all?
t0nito The only things he replaced were a bunch of leaking caps, everything else is completely original.
It make have taken some time for the caps to charge.
Imagine if eventually we get to the point where the Nintendo PlayStation could be made into a hardware clone and homebrew devs could create 700 MB SNES games...
If you mean a 700MB game that loads in parts at a time, you can probably do that already with an Everdrive. Stick a 64GB SD card in there, and you could have a 64GB game.
It depends on how much control the SNES has over the Everdrive, but I'm pretty sure it has enough control to do that.
There was probably a smaller limit than that, as you can only fit so many unique memory addresses into 16-bits.
The SNES actually uses 24-bit addressing (2^24 = 16MB addressable space), but in any case, there's no reason it couldn't have a bank-switching-like scheme on top of its normal memory mapping scheme in order to access all parts of the CD.
I haven't read the tech docs so I'm not clear on how it actually interacts with the main console, but I do know that you have to load programs from the CD into RAM, so I would imagine that commands involved in initiating a read into RAM (typically, a series of writes to special addresses, since this kind of processor has "memory-mapped IO") allow you to address more than 16MB.
Or just buy a raspberry Pi and make and emulator, indie games, home-brew machine.
There aren't any snes emulators to run a game that large.
Nice work! I can't wait to see it play some other games!
Fascinating stuff. It's so cool to see this thing working!
when SONY was dating NINTENDO
RPGMaster nintendo ditched sony for phillips
Gamer X Nintendo broke up with Sony for sega
Evil Delsin Rowe and everyone fell in love with the CDI games.
Sony was dating with Nintendo since the SNES
they created the SPC700 which it was the soundchip for the SNES
The Nintendo-Phillips relationship was even worse!
Nintendo is my Mom and Playstation is my angry Uncle Phill.
Minty Shoedabaker ummm. OK
Minty Shoedabaker tell me who tf is uncle phil
+spicy Phil spencer
DSP.
@@aimanhq2587 you obviously are some kind of foreign if you haven't seen the fresh price of belair
Amazing...congratulations, Mr. Heck!
I've never been so hype to watch a video
this is cool as. shame it never made the shelves. BTW Ben you are ridiculously smart.
Ben Heck is a genius.
TheOP Gamerz HECC
Congratulations Ben, great job. There was nothing to say the system was even complete so it's great that you didn't give up
That's pretty amazing you got the thing fully working.
You look like the tech doctor with his tech stethoscope, holding the earphones to your ear while touching the board...
Nice MST3K hoodie! I WISH I had one!
That is amazing, truly one of the best stories out there. To bad there's no official software for the CD ROM. Great job Ben you've got yourself a fan!
Congrats Ben, also about time! ;)
Now that it works, time to de-yellow it
Superdimensional
Yep, I hear bleach & peroxide works pretty well, so now it works time to fill the sink and fully submerged the unit overnight. Lol, could you imagine!?
10:38 Battle Toad Pause Music?
yes
Congrats guys!
Good job Ben, this is one for the history books. Getting it up and running in 2017! Good job. I think few people could've pulled it off.
I'd really like to produce a new line of CRT monitors designed with retro gaming in mind! Knowing that TVs don't last forever and CRT is the best type of screen for retro gaming, not to mention a requirement for light guns, I think new CRT monitors should be made. I'd love to take this to Kickstarter! These monitors would support PAL and NTSC to make import gaming a snap and have many different inputs: RF, fork connector, A/V and Scart! My name for this product? RetroScreen!
You need to demonstrate feasibility first, i.e. where are you going to procure CRT screens? Last factory capable of producing them in Europe closed in 2012, last in US long before that. I'm not even sure whether there are any left in China, or whether everything floating out of there is just new old stock.
Another thing is to please not limit the inputs to video, but also support CGA, EGA and VGA, old computer collectors will appreciate. High resolution support isn't necessary. Support for CGA NTSC filter path would be a nice touch, see 8-bit-guy's video on CGA.
Yet another thing to keep in mind that even back in the day, nobody particularly liked aperture mask CRTs, everyone wanted a Diamondtron (with its superior tracking and sharpness) or a Trinitron (very high contrast) aperture grill CRTs. But those two tube brands have been discontinued about a decade back.
Plasma has also been discontinued. I wonder though, it seems like with good conversion circuitry, HDR OLED screens should be able to take place of CRTs. And they will just keep getting better.
I'm sure if I get the word out far enough, people who do happen to have the required materials could come forward. Not everything can be done on your own, sometimes things have to be done as a team!
You know what, there's a huge English-speaking maker community in Shenzhen city, Western expatriates, people who are attracted by just how fast and easy it is to engineer things over there, the Huaqiangbei markets, and they're gonna be much better at navigating local markets and untangling manufacturer relationships than we are from here! There's nobody i could point you in particular towards, because i don't have any friends there yet, but if you can find somebody there to help you find a potential supplier, that would be one huge step forward. Maybe reach out to makerspaces such as Litchee Lab, these people seem to hover around those places.
CRT is a quite advanced technology that is now dead. You can’t resurrect it. Too expensive.
I was just thinking about why there are basically no CRTs made now
Does someone at least plan on on fixing the horrible yellowing of the shell?
Joshua Edinger a nice matte color would be sick
Get the 8 bit guy to fix that, like seriously
@@robert_0505 Great channel!
You've done heroic work Ben. What a champ!
Would it be possible to take the audio data from that left right alternating channel stream seen on the scope and turn it onto a .wav file you can listen to?
Man, knowing what you know, I know you had to of 3D printed a copy of the shell and made schematics to make the boards to build a clone of the Nintendo PlayStation. Something's got to be made or done with this find...
Having more hardware would be awesome for programmers.
B Simpson Personally, I would go with figuring out how to create the snes addon equivalent of this thing. Then you don't have to replicate the snes portion.
Shouldn't be THAT difficult, since I assume how this was made was by creating a single PCB with the snes system and CD drive system on the same board, and the expansion bus running internally between the two halves.
Split off the CD portion, and recreate that as it's own circuit board, and you should be 95% of the way there.
(plus replicating the control cart of course.)
Thats not a crazy idea given the CD drive is a standard Sony tray loader as previously mentioned, it's not insane to think that but then technically would you be able to link it up to the EXP port and have the BIOS cart see it (on the same address lines etc). Replicating the custom ASICs isn't hard with mordern chips
I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't seized this yet. It would go with their track record
They cant because it would be owned by sony too, it was actually sony that developed the prototype so it would be long to them.
Well i guess they could.. but seizing it for themselves would surely trigger Sonys Wrath and they would fight over this one Prototype..
they can ask for it or even court order it to be handed over, that doesn't mean they will physically give it to them, i wold tell Nintendo you have 72 hrs to change your mind or i make a video where this thing goes against a 1000 degree knife.
Nintendo has no business interest in it. They didn't go ahead with the idea, plus whats a more than 20 year old prototype of a console going to do that could interfere with their business? Nintendo pursues intellectual property cases that directly affect their business interests (such as HD remakes of Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda). Pursuing the case of a prototype for a console that never got released and is jointly owned by a competing company would be more trouble than its worth.
Amazing. I look forward to a video of the Gaiden game actually running in hopefully the near future.
I just came across your videos. Thanks for your enlightening videos!
how is there an emulator for an unreleased console?
They expanded a SNES emulator based on whatever info they could find. As you can see, it is not perfect to say the least, but it's a miracle that it works similarly enough to the real thing.
Something wonderful is happening inside my pants.
Awesome job, Ben!!! Congratulations!!!
Whenever my Ps4 UA-cam tries to search of play a Ben Heck video, it crashes.
Where'd you get that sweet MST3K jacket, Ben?
He backed the Kickstarter.
theHeckwithKaren Ah. Ok
I got that same hoodie. It was actually an add on item separate from the backer rewards.
I've waited for this video for so long and it's only 14 mins long :-( I was hoping for an hour of regrettable acting and useless knowledge, but oh well. Good job!
Agreed! I at least wanted to see the console reassembled and then working.
Is it just me? I'm certain that on the stream they got Super Boss Gaiden to load and played it after making the prototype work.
So why aren't they showing that here?
James K 14 minutes isn't bad!
They played "Super Boss Gaiden" from the cartridge, not from the CD.
Thanks Max, I must have misunderstood, hard to pay attention over several hours :)
But kool I hope we see games loading from the CD as well soon!
Good job ben! Nice of the guy to let you fix it
Great episode and fantastic project Ben!
Once this unit has been around the shows, and been fully reverse-engineered, I really hope that this gets donated to a museum. Honestly, this is something so rare and special it might belong in the Smithsonian.
But will it run half life 3
jayce odell Valve games even run on potato's
@@ivarscholten2652 Portal 2 runs on a potato, wether you like it or not
Great job guys! It looks like it was lots of work to get there...
This victory has been a long time coming!
I want to live in a world where we batten down the hatches!
I don't believe for one second that those are Mumford's sons. I'm pretty sure they're about the same age that he is...
Well, you see, they're saving up all their touring receipts and royalty money to build the time machine.
I wonder if there's a chance the ribbon cables were growing tin whiskers after so long and jiggling them knocked them loose, getting rid of the short circuits?
Congratulations!
Who's here to see what $300,000 gets you?
If the buyer decided to make clones of the console he could make way more than his 300k back.
Will my Limp Bizkit CD play on it??
Is there some way to reduce to yellowing and restoring it to the original colour without damaging the plastic?
Does the cartridge slot have the correct pins for games with enhancement chips like the Super FX? I think this thing predates them all but I'd imagine they were still planning for them
what the hell are with these "Sony is the devil!" comments? They never demanded Nintendo's IPs. That has nothing to do with what actually happened...
Pop Car I tried to find their source I cant fid it anywhere.
Nintendo fanboys tryin' to make Sony devil,just causal stuffs you can find on the web everyday.
Pop Car I can't find the source, bit i can't find any source that proves otherwise
Odds are it was something with IP since Nintendo is super protective of it (see their attack on UA-camrs). They must have thought it was a pretty serious demand by Sony to scrap a project this far in development... Of course we see that Sony ended up getting the last laugh with the PS1.
Sony wanted the royalties on all Super CD games, arguing that the CD attachment would drive more console sales which would in turn drive more cartridge sales that would go exclusively to Nintendo. After inking the deal, Nintendo backed out and made their ill-fated deal with Philips before breaking the partnership with Sony. Sony learned about Nintendo's new deal at the press conference just like everyone else.
Actually i'm pretty sure the games where supposed to be loaded bit by bit as you played.
And on the IP comment, it is bullshit. Sony wanted a major share of the profits from the sales of the CD-based software. Nintendo just said no and waddled away. Like the duck in the duck song.
that's because Sony developed the CD technology and wanted rights to the cd based sales.
Except they didn't come back the very next day like the duck in the Duck Song.
No, the contract said SONY would get disc based sales revenue, and Nintendo would get Cart based sales revenue. Nintendo realized that the Discs would clearly out perform the cartridges, and have a higher margin, and flew away like the duck in Duck Hunt.
This is truly amazing......it was a long trek to get done but thankfully it's finally working! Hopefully Super Boss Gaiden will get a release that will run on actual hardware! THAT would be awesome at gaming expos!
Is it possible to exchange the RAM chip for a bigger one on the cartridge? Or is it just all out custom made?
You should add to the subtitle in English because there are hearing impaired or deaf people who wants to understand what you are talking about. Please ?
In the nicest way possible, please let that hair go
Sealthard 😂😂😂😂
Sealthard 😂😂😂
Sealthard 😂
Seriously lol
Sealthard ha
So, can this prototype be duplicated with the aid of a 3D printer and some chip assembly?
They brought it to my town for an Anime expo and I got to hold it then try out the Super Nintendo aspect of it. It was awesome and I'm glad to see it is getting life breathed into it
Skip to 6:52
Thank me later.
i bet it can run Mass Effect Andromeda on 4K 60FPS
:-D
Floppy Bird hehe the real ps4 pro cannot even do that lol
Even Scorpio won't do that. Scorpio will run the game at native 4K 30fps with no upscaling and no checkerboard rendering.
Mike M but at least Microsoft is not fooling people in lying they can run 4k games. Sony can't do 4k yet
Ryan Hinchey no, it cannot run 4k. The ps4 pro is only upscaling and playing the same game but enlarched. The games are not designed for a 4k reduction. Sony just wants to sell you a 4k tv. I have the regular Ps4 and that's enough
+Jordge Palomares sure MS isn't but Xbots everywhere are shouting from the hilltops that Scorpio will do 4K 60fps in most games, regardless of the fact it won't and MS isn't stating that.
Really really really nice work!
The sound of the word "DISCS" always made me laugh.
that style... like a cross between wolverine and my grandfather.
dude, seriously, shave your head... youll look way cooler
Bill Hetherington H E I S E N B E R G
let him do with it what he wants
Sony DEMANDED that Nintendo hand over all their iconic characters, like Mario, Link, Donkey kong, Kirby, Starfox etc...
that's why this never happened. Sony is pure evil. Still are.
Ben G THEY KILLED OUR BELOVED SEGA TOO! no punishment is too harsh for them.
When did this information come to fruition? Can I have a source?
Ben G gfy Xbox ain't any better if that is what ur thinking
But that's Microsoft. Shitty products are kinda their thing. But Sony? The fact they've killed Psygnosis is enough reason to hate them for me.
Golden Grenadier I had way more respect for Sega than Sony or Microsoft. They were at least a real videogame company.
Always start with the basics!!! Surely cables are the first thing to test rather than a scope!
I do hope to see this thing get put to proper use, and the owners allow for a complete dump of the hardware and such. Good work!
Reminder: Nintendo said no to SONY after sony wanted all of Nintendo's IPs.
BS, sony never asked for the IPs, they just wanted all CD based profits (wich would probably be more than half, so thats why it never happened)
Nintendo and Sony were both jerks in this deal.
And that somehow makes Sony innocent in the grand scheme of things?
And yet people are still blaming Nintendo for calling off the deal. It wouldn't have been any more powerful than the Sega CD. Now we have MSU-1 ROM hacks that do the same thing.
SEGA also said no to Sony's idea of a joint Sony/SEGA console. There must have been something bad about Sony's offering if both turned them down.
this seemed like a big waste of time
RyogaHibikiPigDance How? this console changed gaming forever?????
Truly amazing work!
Just curious as to why you didn't change the ribbon first. It's a simple swap. Instead of chasing signals? Flip phones had the same issue ribbon fatigue.
Just curious if pcbway can print one of these boards for the community to build their own replicas?
Ben, would it be easier to make a new boot cartridge where it contains the proper sony bios chips to run PS one games on it or to create a emulation boot disk/or PS One disk compatible to the Super Disc Boot Cartridge?
Is this a boosted version of the snes or the cd rom just add storage capacity?
Love the new project format!