Best part is what Avon says " How you gonna ask a soldier like Mouzon a question like that? Either he gonna say or he gonna figure it out for himself". Stringer doesn't realise that conversation foreshadows his fate.
It's interesting, because he's sharp (with the street stuff), but he mistakenly thinks he's smarter than everybody else. He tries to see if Mouzone is onto him, or close to figuring it out by asking if he knows who shot him. In season 1, he thinks Omar is an idiot when he tries to convince Omar to make arrangements for Stringer to pay him money as part of a truce. But he misses that Omar was actually testing him by asking for money. If he were genuine in making the truce, he would've felt that should be good enough. Just "forgiving" Omar should take a lot (Omar started that whole thing), and a request for money should've pissed Stringer off. He completely missed it.
DISCO-INFERNO-70 when you war with wolves, you have to be a wolf. Stringer was trying to finesse the situation, cause he didn’t really want the street shyt.
@@johnniejames9799 Yeah but Avon was always trying to stay at that low level. Wasn't looking past that. That's not smart as that won't last forever. Wholesaling and investing into legit businesses was a viable long term plan that Avon didnt consider.
TREACHERY09 in the middle of the show Avon was shakey about String before he found out String was all about his pockets, Avon knew String was just about making money but he didn't think he was so selfish to fuck over Avon after he went to jail
I'm not so sure. I think that Stringer understands the game just as well as Avon. The key difference between them is boundaries. Avon knows his limits -- he knows what he can do with his knowledge of the game, and what he can't do. He knows that he can't juggle the street game and the legit business game at the same time. Stringer, on the other hand, over-values his own knowledge. He thinks that he's smart enough to do both, which just means he's not doing either as well as he could be. If Stringer didn't understand the game, he would have been dead a long time ago. The issue is, he thinks he became smarter than everyone else playing the game. Like he's the only one smart enough to run it both ways.
@@tempestSH but who shot you was just an innocent question to him. You in the business of killing you let a man come to you with that information if he need you to know
It don't mean Stringer don't understand "The Game."But in life there are levels to "The Game."Avon was a tenured professor in "The Game" but Stringer was a master student.If Stringer wasn't distracted by his own ambitions,he would have learned the nuances of "The Game." Stringer gleamed so much off of Avon that he looked down on Avon.Stringer knew how to play Spades as long as he had all the Spades.Stringer didn't understand how "set"his enemies when didn't have a strong hand.Stringer dont understand why Real recognize Real.Avon fucked with Stringer because they grew up together but Avon in this scene realized Stringer ain't 💯.He recognized Stringer was not on the same page with him.Avon saw the cracks in Stringer's fundelmental understanding of "The Game."If common sense shit gets by you,then it's only a matter of time before all is lost.Thats what Avon was thinking but he had to keep Stringer confidence up to keep running the empire.He knew Stringer was not gonna last on his own.Stringer was too careless. For instance,when he tried to set up Brother Mozon.He was smooth but not meticulous.He left too much to chance without anyway of know the outcome leaving himself open.Stringer tried to have a Senator killed.He should already know why that can never happen.Avon knew Stringer ambition was ahead of his street knowledge but Stringer didn't have the intelligence to self examine him self and make correct moves.Avon saw Stringer didn't have a agile street mind for "The Game."He was limited only to critically thinking about business.Avon knew Marlo would beat Stringer because he had one foot in and one foot out.Avon needed Stringer full commitment to spoon feed him his learning curb.Avon saw Stringer was not going to be able to maintain until he got out.
Mouzone was an employee whose job was to protect territories. But he got gut shot at his own home! From POV of Avon Brother fvcked up big time (considering he didn't know it was an inside job from Stringer)
@@atlantis5001 But that's exactly what got Stringer killed. The minute Omar didn't finish off Brother, he get time to think. He was being paid to guard the towers. Brother finds out that someone lied to Omar about his involvement with Brandon's torture (zero involvement). At this point Stringer should have been afraid if Brother knew anything because he is still alive. So Brother is going to suspect inside job. Who knew he was staying at that hotel room to give up his location? Then basically find out he was being set up... all the signs pointed to a inside job. But he couldn't be sure without finding and asking Omar BUT a pivotal scene was when he shot Cheese defending the Towers from the East Side when Stringer behind Avon's back gave them permission. Cheese said "we got permission to grind in these towers". When you put all of these together, it shows something is off
For those saying that Avon didn't want Stringer to ask who shot Mouzone because it made him look guilty, that's not it. Avon didn't want Stringer to ask because it made the organization who hired him look incompetent, especially when they were one of the main players of the drug trade in Baltimore. You're supposed to know what's going on in your own city, not playing 21 Questions.
These guys don't operate at anything but surface emotional level.. their reaction is only on a purely street level..a code.. criminals are criminals for a reason, and that's because they aren't very intelligent..the only criticism I have of the show is it isn't honest enough about how stupid these thugs actually are
@@mitchelll3879 You don't go from barely surviving in the streets to clearing $1 million a month by being stupid. Soldiers and lower level dealers? That's another story. Many of them are dumb as dirt.
This is one of the key scenes in the wire showing the difference in character between Avon and Stringer. Avon always played the game he signed up to play in and that was the streets. He understood the rules very well, understood the consequences, understood how to maneuver and deal with thugs. He never attempted to change the rules nor pretend he was someone other than who he really was and that was a street guy. Stringer was very intelligent, educated and clever. He knew the game he was playing but pretended to be someone he wasn’t. He tried to change the rules in his favor and manipulate real killers to take each other out like businessmen do when attempting to eliminate competition. He didn’t understand the street like Avon did. That’s why Stringer got himself killed.
This is parallel to Bunny Colvin’s attempt to bend the rules with Hamsterdam. This is why Stringer said he specifically chose Colvin to meet with when he gave up Avon. Both were trying to bend the rules for a greater good but didn’t understand one thing... the game stay the game. Both had the right idea, don’t tell me Stringer’s plan to buy assets and step away from the streets was a bad idea. Stay hidden and take off the top, he and Avon would have been richer. Avon wasn’t convinced and he was right. Stringer was naive in the business game whereas Avon was smart enough to know who he was and what he was good at, just being a gangster I suppose.
It's hard to see Avon as an evil bad guy because of his integrity, his charisma, and his loyalty to the game. He's one of those lesser evils that resonate with people.
Marlo on the other was just pure evil....just don't give a shit about a soul walking and that killer instinct look he gives you, a true sociopath but got love for his birds 💀💀💀💀 he was entertaining but I hated him.
Avon's character killed people in the game and innocent bystanders. Perhaps I can sell you a car without an engine but looks good on the outside.... Stop being so naive before the real Avon's out there sell you something you can't refuse young lady.
String learning from Avon here. String always thought he was smarter than Avon. String Really believed he would be around in the end and Avon wouldn't. Either by prison or death. He underestimated Avon. String could never carry himself like Avon carried himself. Avon is real king. Yeah, cuz round this bitch im what you might consider.... An authority figure... Avon Barksdale
I wouldn't say that... i mean, he loved Avon. Stringer was actually really competent as Avon's right-hand man in the first season but after that he was really out of his depth and he simply wasn't cut out to lead, or colead, a criminal organization like Avon did in the first season, he was too arrogant and got too emotional about 'the game', like when he got played by Clay Davis and then tried to put a hit on him... i think that what made him good in the role that he had in the first season kinda made him bad in the role he had in the second and third season.
Which is which? They're both smart, but Avon is more street smart while stringer is book smart. Avon is the one with the wisdom? But I'd say he is intelligent (in his game)
1:04 - Difference between Avon and String. Avon understood 'the game' so much better and was more street smart and intuitive. He knew String opened up a can of worms by violating the protocol of the street and you had to honor the code when dealing with a dangerous soldier like Mouzone. It is it's own world, that Avon was one of the 'kings' of. That's why he had an intense visceral reaction to. Regardless of what 'game' you are in, at some level you got to respect it. That was the misssing link with String. He stop respecting the 'game' he was in, while Avon was locked up. He really needed a guy like Avon as a partner to be successful long-term in the game. He was great as a 'COO', but lacked the intangibles that Avon had in abundance.
mikem987 String tried to treat the streets like a economics class. When Avon got out and wanted to war with Marlo, (which he would have won if stringer didn't snitch). The first thing Bell told him was forget the war, as long as we get paid and let the dealers find and worry about real estate. Avon knew the street is the street. And to abandon your crews while you live fat is a fast way to end up both dead and broke. Respect for the barksdale name was everything.
This scene is one of the reasons Avon was my fav character. Him and Stringer have been in the drug game for the exact same amount of time. But as smart as Stringer is look how much more knowledgeable Avon is about the drug game and when he has something to say Stringer gives him his complete attention because he knows why Avon is the leader and why he is second to him.
man believe me Sopranos used to be like that. very thorough discussion and explanation. hell i might believe its the Sopranos who started those type of comment section on a TV show. then starting from 2011 all the assholes from the Goodfellas fanbase start their invasion and there goes your Shinebox / Spider meme and whatnot lol
@Apollo Spade I understood how Stringer fucked up with the Orlando hit. But I didn't understand Avon's reaction when he meets Stringer. He is angry because a police was shot, and even sees the money that String has laid out on the table. So he knows that Orlando reached out to them to buy CDS with money he shouldn't have had, and that there was a botched hit on Orlando where a police was shot. But he only chews out Stringer after he admits to setting up the hit despite the red flags. So what? Did Avon initially think that Wee-Bey, Savino and Little man set up the hit themselves without the go ahead from Stringer? That makes no sense. Avon should have already known Stringer set it up without the latter having to admit his mistake
Honestly Avon should have had Slim take out String after he told Avon about Dee. The cops never would have found Avon's hideout but they damn sure would have found Chris, Snoop and Marlo at the rim shop with 100 bullets each.
obiwon76 It shows how weak Stringer was on the business side of taking care of his employees when they’re running up against real obstacles in the workplace.
My first time around watching the wire I found myself rooting for stringer over Avon with their power struggle, it wasn’t until multiple viewings of the show that I realized that Avon was always the one that needed to be in charge for them to survive
Stringer disrespected Avon since season 1, and dishonored the organization and the streets with that business mentality. This scene showed how little he understood about the game, Clay Davis stealing his money shows how little he truly understands business. If he played his role and stayed loyal to Avon, they would've crushed Marlo easily.
I think a lot of us let the fact that we agree with Stringer's idealistic views is what mislead us. We all think the game would benefit from being more civilized. But when you grow from that and look at it realistically, even Poot's question begins to make sense. A business has to stand on it's reputation. And if your business is street business, looking like some punk ass bitches will cause you to lose business. One way or another.
what stringer Bell didn't understand that Avon did was that dope wasn't a market-based business it was a market PROOF business. Dope is like toilet paper, somebody's always gonna need it no matter where the market is closing. Avon knew this. That's why he said what he said. A true businessman.
Damn, this was a powerful scene. I've never seen it before. I need to re-watch season 2. It says so much about the relationship they had and where it was headed. Deep stuff.
Love how Stringer used an Economics analogy to explain some street shit to Avon. I hate it took Avon going to jail to find out that Stringer Bell had no street savvy whatsoever. Looking back and listening to him in this scene is damn nare laughable.
Y’all are missing the mark. Stringer was street smart. His focus was just somewhere else. He was trying to look at things different. Transcend the streets if you will. Avon wanted to stay in the streets. That’s where the conflict was. Stringer could have just said fuck it I’m out. But he wanted to bring his best friend with him. Avon the same. They loved each other. They just had conflicting views.
@@truegrit9202 It would have been better for both Avon and Stringer if Stringer just said "fuck it, I'm out." Well, at least it would have been if there was anyone else competent to put in charge while Avon was locked up.
"It's that other thing...". That was were they started parting ways. Avon was right though. You couldn't ignore the actual business they were in and it's relationship to the street.
When Stringer said "They?" to Mouzone, the look Mouzone gave String told it all right there. He wouldn't be questioning how many people went after Mouzone if he didn't set up the hit himself.
@@knowledgebornsmith9719 Brother was a known hitter. Someone so lethal his services were available on retainer. Not even Prop Joe wanted to go at him head on & he had the connect. It's an insult to ask someone like him that. Also, as Avon said, he will either brief you or get it handled. Telling him you gonna give him muscle after he was brought in outta town to protect YOU is disrespectful at best & suspicious at worst.
“It ain’t that part of it, it’s that other thing…” 😮💨favorite quote of the show. Loved how they referenced back to this scene when Marlo met with Avon to get the connect “the street is the street ,always”
nah the beginning of the end was when he sent omar on mouzone. or maybe you can say making the deal with prop joe behind avon's back was the beginning of the end. because when avon heard of prop joe's men in the towers, he had no idea that stringer made a deal with joe for that which is why he sent mouzone to the towers to take out prop joe's guys, and then stringer sent omar to take out prop joe.
Had Stringer known his place and the cops hadn't got him Avon would've wiped the streets with marlo I reiterate Marlo really got insanely lucky with Avon getting arrested
Moments like this are when you realize that, in spite of all his ambition and business classes, Stringer just isn't as intelligent as Avon. At least as it pertains to the game, anyway.
Stringer went against avon code avon always opposed against prop joe when it comes to territory not only that he sincerely hates the east side only love for the westside
This an another example of how smart Avon was. Stringer gets credit for being the intellectual one. Yes he sees the big picture but he is was not smart enough for the streets or the downtown business men. Stringer was manipulating but not really street smart or business savy.
Exactly. Another flaw in String's personality was that he mistakenly thought himself smarter than everyone else. His penchant for underestimating those around him eventually came back on him and led to his death.
I wouldn't say he thought he was smarter than everyone else. I think Avon was the exception to that. When Avon had something to say Stringer was all eyes and ears because he knew why Avon was the leader there are many times in the show where Avon schools Stringer like the Orlando situation and this scene here.
Not true. Stringer was definitely smart enough for the business world. Just because he got played by Davis doesn't mean he's not business savvy, lol. He was almost COMPLETELY clean by the time they finally got him to slip up on the wire. That's why McNulty was so adamant about catching him, because he knew this...
I see some similarities String has with Walter White in some aspects. Particularly the flaws both had in thinking that a rational (business) decision can ALWAYS correct a criminal (hell, even a human) problem. Neither put enough stock in the importance of maintaining your organization's rep, or the necessity of violence to enforce said rep.
Gosh, the tone-deafness of Stringer in this scene..."every market based business moves in cycles"...goes to show you that his self-proclaimed "business mind" was anything but. That wasn't an insightful remark by him. It was a regurgitation of the notes he took in his Econ lecture. As much as one can make the polar opposite critique of Avon (the anti-intellectual tendencies, the warped ethics and so on), he very clearly comes out of this scene looking like the smartest guy in the room more so than String.
Because Avon was the smartest, in the room. At least, as far as street smarts went. Stringer though he could control Marlo with money and territory, yet from the very beginning, Avon told Stringer what Marlo was all about, which was his name and the power, money and territory wasn’t going to satisfy Marlo and he needed to be clipped, early, and that there will always be other guys just like Marlo, in the game. Stringer didn’t get it. In another instance, Avon told Stringer straight up what was going to happen with Clay Davis and them, downtown, and it happened. Stringer got played. But it’s not like Stringer WASN’T right about things like investing in real estate and less about territory and dropping bodies to soften the attention on them. It’s just that Stringer wanted it both ways and rode the fence and tried to apply everything he learned in class in to street game but that’s not how it works. Not everything you learn in one game is going to work in another and Vice Versa. Difference being that Avon wasn’t all about the money, like Stringer. He was more about his respect and his face card and on top of that, he knew his role and what he did best at. Stringer didn’t know what his role was at all. He was all over the place and wanted one foot in the street game and one foot in business and you absolutely can’t do both. You’re either all in or all out. Stringer tried to bribe his way in the business game and then later was about to get guys killed, after he got played. Well...unless you’re one of the elites that run the entire world, then you can do whatever you want lol but Stringer was nowhere near that type of level and never was going to be.
Avon was trying to let him know that the drug game will always come with violence in some shape or form. Stringer thought he could just act like they were board members for a major company. Applying basic economic principles to selling heroin is laughable.
When Stringer asked Mouzone about who did it ,he made himself look guilty, and from there Avon knew that Mouzone would kill Stringer. That's why Avon was mad because he knew he couldn't clean it up, or it would be hard to do so.
godz2010 Funny thing Stringer already knew that Omar shot brother mouzone since it was stringer who lied on brother mouzone to omar and told Omar to go after mouzone in retaliation for Brandon.
Watching this show for the first time I remember thinking this the moment where Stringer decided he was definitely going to have Avon assassinated in jail and take over the entire business for himself.
Brett Bewley Stringer wouldn’t have killed Avon, although I thought the same thing the first time I watched it. But after a rewatch, I don’t think Stringer would’ve tried to kill his great friend. I don’t think anyone would’ve tried to kill Avon in prison. At least nobody Stringer knew. Avon was very protected in there.
There is a reason why Kevin Gates says in his song Great Man "Runnin the raw like a Barksdale" and not a Stringer Bell lol. Avon was always the smarter and most loyal of the two
I think Avon was more disappointed in String for not holding shit down the way he wanted it. Avon didn’t care about the money as much as the respect String did. Marlo saw his opportunity during that time because Avon crew were looking weak like he knew would happen.
Avon was stupid to care more about having the respect of gangbanger nobodies on the street than he did about money. Stringer had the right idea for him and Avon to take the heat off themselves and put their money into more legitimate fronts. let the lower level guys in your organization take all the risk. the core idea behind Stringer's mindset was smart, but the way he tried to put that plan into action was botched by his own arrogance and sloppiness at almost every turn
@@chrislove5651 they both didn’t stand together like they should’ve. String was playing away games and got bombed. Avon was running shit hot caused by respect. It was just a shit storm that was bound to happen
Stringer really tried to talk about business cycles 🤣🤣🤣. Don't get me wrong, his little community college education definitely helped with the business structure of the game, but when it comes down to it, the streets really are the streets. You can't apply legal rules to an illegal business.
Studying Economics, or if you preferred it, Political Economics, is not just about business. Stringer was even reading Adam Smith, a classic in Economics. The reason why Stringer failed was because he was a wannabe. At the end of the day, The Game doesn't escape to the logic of capitalism, is just another form of it.
@bboynava1812 yeah, he knew a little of both, but couldn't master, nor was willing to stick to one. It was shown that he was willing to go full legit, but his card was pulled when Clay got over on him. He then wanted to use his connects to the streets to settle Wall Street conflicts. That gave him a reality check, because if he was all business from the sandbox, he would've never gone to the streets for solutions and vice versa. Even Avon told him he should handle Clay business-like (mockingly🥴)
I always wonder how this could have turned out so differently if Stringer had stood up to Avon from the start instead of getting fancy about this. He should have just said right away "it doesn't matter how much muscle we have, out product is shit, everybody knows it's shit, and no amount of muscle can fix that. Unless we fix our product, and soon, we could lose everything by the time you get home." But String didn't play it that way, and after successfully scheming to get rid of D'Angelo, he overconfidently thought he could pull this off too. Plus, he was always a vice president, even with Avon in prison. It's Avon's organization, and String wasn't willing to directly challenge that balance of power.
The problem is that Avon was born in the game. His family was known and had connections. Stringer was just his childhood friend but Avon father was an OG. So Avon was always going to be the head of the family.
Sentinel HDD Avon understood the streets much better than stringer though.Avon saw that Marlo could be a problem the first time he heard about him and he was right.Stringer wanted to give up the corners since the Barksdales still had the projects and the best heroin but Avon knew that his organization couldn't just give up prime real estate and let their soldiers get harassed by an upstart.Also Avon would've won that war if stringer hadn't snitched.
silverwheel Agreed.Still stringer was wrong.I feel like if Avon had won the war with Marlo and kept his corners he could've convinced the co-op to supply him with drugs again.Getting drugs is SO much easier than getting corners which is why Avon was right in going after Marlo.
Prop Joe was the ultimate undoing of the Barksdales. He manipulated Stringer into that mindset to give up corners for the good dope. But think? Why did Prop Joe need their towers if it’s all about having the products?? Prop Joe contradicted himself to Stringer Bell and he was too naive to see it. Yes you need good dope to sell or you will have no customers. You also need real estate. Having good dope means shit if you nowhere to sell it. That’s what Avon and Slim Charles tried to tell Stringer. When Slim said it, his response was “I will worry about that when it happens” meaning he would be fucked. You gave up all your territory… what if Prop Joe says, I don’t want to sell to you no more? What if nobody wants to buy from them? What if Joe undercuts them and sell to their customers for cheaper? Or better yet what Marlo did. He came and took all their prime territory & refused to buy their package. Prop Joe was trying to weaken their organization and it worked. Avon knew having no territory is just as bad as having no product
lol you are an idiot, stringer not cut out for that street sh!T? stringer is a stone cold killer, you dont get to his position without putting in work, think before you speak.
Mature Gaming Channel you basically are the idiot watch the show avon mocked string for never killing anyone only person who he ever got killed was D string was Never cut out he even shared the towers with prop joe and cheese after avon told him to go to war with them
Yes he was. He came from the streets. His problem that he thought of himself as a legitimate businessman and that thinking ruled his entire thought process.
Avon new stringer did it, dats y he was so pissed, cuz he knew it was over for string, wen he askd who did it, new he couldn't get stringer out of it after dat.
1:34"String!' 'This ain't about your motherf***ing business class either.' 'Its ain't that part of it.' 'Its that other thing.' 'THE STREET IS THE STREET!' ALWAYS." _ Avon RIP Nipsey Hussle.🙏
Wood Harris, one of the more underrated actors.
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Best part is what Avon says " How you gonna ask a soldier like Mouzon a question like that? Either he gonna say or he gonna figure it out for himself".
Stringer doesn't realise that conversation foreshadows his fate.
I think he does. I feel like stringer knew at that moment he exposed his self to mozoune with his question.
It's interesting, because he's sharp (with the street stuff), but he mistakenly thinks he's smarter than everybody else. He tries to see if Mouzone is onto him, or close to figuring it out by asking if he knows who shot him. In season 1, he thinks Omar is an idiot when he tries to convince Omar to make arrangements for Stringer to pay him money as part of a truce. But he misses that Omar was actually testing him by asking for money. If he were genuine in making the truce, he would've felt that should be good enough. Just "forgiving" Omar should take a lot (Omar started that whole thing), and a request for money should've pissed Stringer off. He completely missed it.
@@number3stunner118 "it aint about your money bruh...."
Kellen east you all in the comments make me want to watch the entire season a third time. There are still, to many details that I missed.
@@wjopw4889 Yeah he is- and always saying the same shit too
Even with all of Stringer's education, Avon's street instincts proved to be the superior way of handling business.
lol, no. You have no idea what you're talking about.
If he was smart he’d listen too stringer a lil more
DISCO-INFERNO-70 when you war with wolves, you have to be a wolf. Stringer was trying to finesse the situation, cause he didn’t really want the street shyt.
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Yeah but Avon was always trying to stay at that low level. Wasn't looking past that. That's not smart as that won't last forever.
Wholesaling and investing into legit businesses was a viable long term plan that Avon didnt consider.
Say what? Avon's warring is what fucked them.
Avon's "Why" was priceless
The guard wanted to say oh you know why lol
Whyyyy you say that?
@Sendawula Kajubi Well because he's guilty and it'll catch up to him. Stringer not Avon I mean.
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It goes much deeper than that.
"Absolved? What the f*uk does that mean". This is the most realistic conversation between homies ever acted out on television.
Not really but ok
Maybe if your homies are dumb as fck
Avon was hesitant to put his fist up when Stringer did. U can see how disappointed Avon was with Stringer. It put a dent in their relationship. Yup.
he knew stringer had something do with it, to push prop joe package
TREACHERY09 in the middle of the show Avon was shakey about String before he found out String was all about his pockets, Avon knew String was just about making money but he didn't think he was so selfish to fuck over Avon after he went to jail
Avon was String Brother but he was very pissed off....he told him in the end to run it as he see fit but his hesitation showed he wasnt happy
To paraphrase Slim Charles, "Stringer was fuckin' with Barksdale reputation here."
And he did it in a way where he put his fist up only because he was hanging up the phone. MAJOR message communicated there...
The moment Avon realized Stringer doesn’t understand the game.
I'm not so sure. I think that Stringer understands the game just as well as Avon. The key difference between them is boundaries. Avon knows his limits -- he knows what he can do with his knowledge of the game, and what he can't do. He knows that he can't juggle the street game and the legit business game at the same time. Stringer, on the other hand, over-values his own knowledge. He thinks that he's smart enough to do both, which just means he's not doing either as well as he could be. If Stringer didn't understand the game, he would have been dead a long time ago. The issue is, he thinks he became smarter than everyone else playing the game. Like he's the only one smart enough to run it both ways.
@@tempestSH what you just said is him not understanding the game. He broke code asking mouzone that question, bro just looked at him
@@tempestSH but who shot you was just an innocent question to him. You in the business of killing you let a man come to you with that information if he need you to know
It don't mean Stringer don't understand "The Game."But in life there are levels to "The Game."Avon was a tenured professor in "The Game" but Stringer was a master student.If Stringer wasn't distracted by his own ambitions,he would have learned the nuances of "The Game."
Stringer gleamed so much off of Avon that he looked down on Avon.Stringer knew how to play Spades as long as he had all the Spades.Stringer didn't understand how "set"his enemies when didn't have a strong hand.Stringer dont understand why Real recognize Real.Avon fucked with Stringer because they grew up together but Avon in this scene realized Stringer ain't 💯.He recognized Stringer was not on the same page with him.Avon saw the cracks in Stringer's fundelmental understanding of "The Game."If common sense shit gets by you,then it's only a matter of time before all is lost.Thats what Avon was thinking but he had to keep Stringer confidence up to keep running the empire.He knew Stringer was not gonna last on his own.Stringer was too careless.
For instance,when he tried to set up Brother Mozon.He was smooth but not meticulous.He left too much to chance without anyway of know the outcome leaving himself open.Stringer tried to have a Senator killed.He should already know why that can never happen.Avon knew Stringer ambition was ahead of his street knowledge but Stringer didn't have the intelligence to self examine him self and make correct moves.Avon saw Stringer didn't have a agile street mind for "The Game."He was limited only to critically thinking about business.Avon knew Marlo would beat Stringer because he had one foot in and one foot out.Avon needed Stringer full commitment to spoon feed him his learning curb.Avon saw Stringer was not going to be able to maintain until he got out.
@@tempestSH ok
"I don't give a fuck about how he gonna be, man..." Damn Avon didn't care too much for Brother Mouzone 😆😂
“its that OTHER thing....”
Lmao
Mouzone was an employee whose job was to protect territories. But he got gut shot at his own home!
From POV of Avon Brother fvcked up big time (considering he didn't know it was an inside job from Stringer)
@@atlantis5001 But that's exactly what got Stringer killed. The minute Omar didn't finish off Brother, he get time to think. He was being paid to guard the towers. Brother finds out that someone lied to Omar about his involvement with Brandon's torture (zero involvement). At this point Stringer should have been afraid if Brother knew anything because he is still alive. So Brother is going to suspect inside job. Who knew he was staying at that hotel room to give up his location? Then basically find out he was being set up... all the signs pointed to a inside job. But he couldn't be sure without finding and asking Omar BUT a pivotal scene was when he shot Cheese defending the Towers from the East Side when Stringer behind Avon's back gave them permission. Cheese said "we got permission to grind in these towers". When you put all of these together, it shows something is off
My favorite line 😂
“ I don’t give a fuck about how he gone be, man” 😂😂😂
Lmao
I be repeating that shit to myself 😅😂
For those saying that Avon didn't want Stringer to ask who shot Mouzone because it made him look guilty, that's not it. Avon didn't want Stringer to ask because it made the organization who hired him look incompetent, especially when they were one of the main players of the drug trade in Baltimore. You're supposed to know what's going on in your own city, not playing 21 Questions.
Also it's a sign of disrespect toward Brother Mouzone,who is more than capable of handling himself
I think he was angry more as per the comment above because it undermined Mouzone and in a way Avon's own organisation
These guys don't operate at anything but surface emotional level.. their reaction is only on a purely street level..a code.. criminals are criminals for a reason, and that's because they aren't very intelligent..the only criticism I have of the show is it isn't honest enough about how stupid these thugs actually are
The show is written and produced by actual experienced people. You know more than tey do? @mitchell
@@mitchelll3879 You don't go from barely surviving in the streets to clearing $1 million a month by being stupid. Soldiers and lower level dealers? That's another story. Many of them are dumb as dirt.
The Greatest "WHY!" in the history of television.
This is one of the key scenes in the wire showing the difference in character between Avon and Stringer. Avon always played the game he signed up to play in and that was the streets. He understood the rules very well, understood the consequences, understood how to maneuver and deal with thugs. He never attempted to change the rules nor pretend he was someone other than who he really was and that was a street guy. Stringer was very intelligent, educated and clever. He knew the game he was playing but pretended to be someone he wasn’t. He tried to change the rules in his favor and manipulate real killers to take each other out like businessmen do when attempting to eliminate competition. He didn’t understand the street like Avon did. That’s why Stringer got himself killed.
Even the Clay Davis thing, Avon knew the consequences about going after a politician.
@@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO. Facts that Politician life is more corrupted than the street life.
This is parallel to Bunny Colvin’s attempt to bend the rules with Hamsterdam. This is why Stringer said he specifically chose Colvin to meet with when he gave up Avon. Both were trying to bend the rules for a greater good but didn’t understand one thing... the game stay the game. Both had the right idea, don’t tell me Stringer’s plan to buy assets and step away from the streets was a bad idea. Stay hidden and take off the top, he and Avon would have been richer. Avon wasn’t convinced and he was right. Stringer was naive in the business game whereas Avon was smart enough to know who he was and what he was good at, just being a gangster I suppose.
@@GoGetYourShinebox Love this comment, particularly the way you interweave lines from the series within what you're saying. :)
Stringer was heading to the right direction, Avon was the stupid one. Avon got lucky when Chris didn’t kill him
It's hard to see Avon as an evil bad guy because of his integrity, his charisma, and his loyalty to the game. He's one of those lesser evils that resonate with people.
Taylor Giavasis 💯💥
Marlo on the other was just pure evil....just don't give a shit about a soul walking and that killer instinct look he gives you, a true sociopath but got love for his birds 💀💀💀💀 he was entertaining but I hated him.
Avon's character killed people in the game and innocent bystanders. Perhaps I can sell you a car without an engine but looks good on the outside.... Stop being so naive before the real Avon's out there sell you something you can't refuse young lady.
Taylor Giavasis
It’s hard to see a murderer and a criminal and a drug dealer as a bad guy?
Stringer, integrity?? Yeah, that's a hard no, dog.
String learning from Avon here. String always thought he was smarter than Avon. String Really believed he would be around in the end and Avon wouldn't. Either by prison or death. He underestimated Avon. String could never carry himself like Avon carried himself. Avon is real king.
Yeah, cuz round this bitch im what you might consider.... An authority figure... Avon Barksdale
I wouldn't say that... i mean, he loved Avon. Stringer was actually really competent as Avon's right-hand man in the first season but after that he was really out of his depth and he simply wasn't cut out to lead, or colead, a criminal organization like Avon did in the first season, he was too arrogant and got too emotional about 'the game', like when he got played by Clay Davis and then tried to put a hit on him... i think that what made him good in the role that he had in the first season kinda made him bad in the role he had in the second and third season.
Well said
And thats saying something
Next day air!
I love authority figure line
The look away window love Avon gave string at 2:28-2:31 you could feel the disappointment. Wood is an highly underrated actor!
"It ain't that part of it. It's that other thing"
Sick quote from Avon🎯 💯
Alwaysh
Wisdom vs Intellect
me jr
Experience vs Life.
Streee wisdom vs community college business class
@@eliwol3789 😂
Which is which? They're both smart, but Avon is more street smart while stringer is book smart. Avon is the one with the wisdom? But I'd say he is intelligent (in his game)
Yeah stringer is more book smart college orientated Avon is street dude through in through gangster
"The street is the street.... always." Such a fitting line for the whole series
"Either way you ain't got to be asking him shiit!!"
Lol the way he said that line
You left out the WHY!!...LOL
Yeah snitched On themselves lol
Wood Harris is a great actor he looks like he is ready to kill stringer
1:04 - Difference between Avon and String. Avon understood 'the game' so much better and was more street smart and intuitive. He knew String opened up a can of worms by violating the protocol of the street and you had to honor the code when dealing with a dangerous soldier like Mouzone. It is it's own world, that Avon was one of the 'kings' of. That's why he had an intense visceral reaction to. Regardless of what 'game' you are in, at some level you got to respect it. That was the misssing link with String. He stop respecting the 'game' he was in, while Avon was locked up. He really needed a guy like Avon as a partner to be successful long-term in the game. He was great as a 'COO', but lacked the intangibles that Avon had in abundance.
mikem987 Good insight!
mikem987 String tried to treat the streets like a economics class. When Avon got out and wanted to war with Marlo, (which he would have won if stringer didn't snitch). The first thing Bell told him was forget the war, as long as we get paid and let the dealers find and worry about real estate. Avon knew the street is the street. And to abandon your crews while you live fat is a fast way to end up both dead and broke. Respect for the barksdale name was everything.
This scene is one of the reasons Avon was my fav character. Him and Stringer have been in the drug game for the exact same amount of time. But as smart as Stringer is look how much more knowledgeable Avon is about the drug game and when he has something to say Stringer gives him his complete attention because he knows why Avon is the leader and why he is second to him.
In the end, though, didn't Avon wind up admitting that Stringer was right about the business?
Kolby K I kinda. After Stringer died Avon said "String was right, fuck this war". But I think he was just grieving over his friend
Avon: Whyyyy!
Stringer: Wha-what?
They acted like kids 🤣
"Either way, you ain't gotta be asking him shit.." Takes me back to when Avon told D "He ain't gotta apologize for shit"
Sopranos comment section: Varsity athlete/Shinebox jokes
Wire comment section: Well though out thesis papers in MLA format.
MLA never had the makings of a varsity format.
Facts
Lmaoo facts bruh
man believe me Sopranos used to be like that. very thorough discussion and explanation. hell i might believe its the Sopranos who started those type of comment section on a TV show. then starting from 2011 all the assholes from the Goodfellas fanbase start their invasion and there goes your Shinebox / Spider meme and whatnot lol
Stringer had violated Avon too many times. With the brother miyzone question, the Sunday morning truce, and trying to end the war. It all added up.
@Apollo Spade I understood how Stringer fucked up with the Orlando hit. But I didn't understand Avon's reaction when he meets Stringer.
He is angry because a police was shot, and even sees the money that String has laid out on the table. So he knows that Orlando reached out to them to buy CDS with money he shouldn't have had, and that there was a botched hit on Orlando where a police was shot. But he only chews out Stringer after he admits to setting up the hit despite the red flags.
So what? Did Avon initially think that Wee-Bey, Savino and Little man set up the hit themselves without the go ahead from Stringer? That makes no sense. Avon should have already known Stringer set it up without the latter having to admit his mistake
Honestly Avon should have had Slim take out String after he told Avon about Dee. The cops never would have found Avon's hideout but they damn sure would have found Chris, Snoop and Marlo at the rim shop with 100 bullets each.
@@geordiejones5618 Would've been the smart choice but Avon was loyal, Stringer was his bro
The biggest one D'Angelo murder
You missed killing D’Angelo
This is the best example of how String was weak on the street knowledge.
obiwon76 It shows how weak Stringer was on the business side of taking care of his employees when they’re running up against real obstacles in the workplace.
2:24 The beginning of the end for Avon and Stringer as the fracturing between them starts.
When String said every market based business runs in cycles I fucking lost it cause why he bringing that community college shit into the game 😂
My first time around watching the wire I found myself rooting for stringer over Avon with their power struggle, it wasn’t until multiple viewings of the show that I realized that Avon was always the one that needed to be in charge for them to survive
Stringer disrespected Avon since season 1, and dishonored the organization and the streets with that business mentality. This scene showed how little he understood about the game, Clay Davis stealing his money shows how little he truly understands business. If he played his role and stayed loyal to Avon, they would've crushed Marlo easily.
Same. On the surface stringer is “smarter” but he really was the weak link
Yea the more you rewatch you realize stringer made horrible decisions from the first season
I think a lot of us let the fact that we agree with Stringer's idealistic views is what mislead us. We all think the game would benefit from being more civilized. But when you grow from that and look at it realistically, even Poot's question begins to make sense. A business has to stand on it's reputation. And if your business is street business, looking like some punk ass bitches will cause you to lose business. One way or another.
Avon always knew the streets better than stringer
what stringer Bell didn't understand that Avon did was that dope wasn't a market-based business it was a market PROOF business. Dope is like toilet paper, somebody's always gonna need it no matter where the market is closing. Avon knew this. That's why he said what he said. A true businessman.
"it's that other THING"....damn that is the most perfect pronunciation of the word "thing" that I've ever heard lol
I love 1:30. You see Stringer feeling weak after Avon tears into him, and he immediately goes back into his community college business class spiel.
this scene was the beginning of the end for them, it basically foreshadows the entire season 3.
Well it was on the season 2 finale so I suppose it would
Stringer Vs Avon
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Intelligence Vs Street Smarts
Damn, this was a powerful scene. I've never seen it before. I need to re-watch season 2. It says so much about the relationship they had and where it was headed. Deep stuff.
"Business is where you are now, but what got you here is your word and your reputation...."
Love how Stringer used an Economics analogy to explain some street shit to Avon. I hate it took Avon going to jail to find out that Stringer Bell had no street savvy whatsoever. Looking back and listening to him in this scene is damn nare laughable.
Y’all are missing the mark. Stringer was street smart. His focus was just somewhere else. He was trying to look at things different. Transcend the streets if you will. Avon wanted to stay in the streets. That’s where the conflict was. Stringer could have just said fuck it I’m out. But he wanted to bring his best friend with him. Avon the same. They loved each other. They just had conflicting views.
Playing those away games
@@truegrit9202 Aka not street smart
@@truegrit9202 nah he couldn't stayed focused on the street part - which ruled no matter what econ class he took.
@@truegrit9202 It would have been better for both Avon and Stringer if Stringer just said "fuck it, I'm out." Well, at least it would have been if there was anyone else competent to put in charge while Avon was locked up.
Stringer had no clue why u don’t ask a soldier who shot u or who did u shoot. WoW this niqqa ain’t ready
"I don't give a fuck about how he gonna be man" lol Avon savage af
Avon Barksdale shows right here why he the man at the top
This was the beginning of the end for Avon and Stringer
Whyyy?!?! Why what?!? 😂😂 that small exchange was so real
The sshtreet is the sshtreet....alwaysshshs
hahaha
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lmao
Avon was right though. He was usually right.
I think Stringer tried to reform the drug game, he found out the drug game will not tolerate reform. Avon: "The Game is The Game!"
That little zoom on string after "us"...I love the camera work on this show
Teacher is teaching
"I don't give a fuck how he gon be man!" Avon channeling his inner Marlo
"It's that other thing...". That was were they started parting ways. Avon was right though. You couldn't ignore the actual business they were in and it's relationship to the street.
When stringer asked brother that question he signed his death warrant.
I never got that part what was wrong with him asking why
@@knowledgebornsmith9719 self pride can't be telling a soldier who hurt him. That's his business to take care of it.
Nah trying to turn Omar and Mouzone against one another got him killed
When Stringer said "They?" to Mouzone, the look Mouzone gave String told it all right there.
He wouldn't be questioning how many people went after Mouzone if he didn't set up the hit himself.
@@knowledgebornsmith9719 Brother was a known hitter. Someone so lethal his services were available on retainer. Not even Prop Joe wanted to go at him head on & he had the connect. It's an insult to ask someone like him that. Also, as Avon said, he will either brief you or get it handled. Telling him you gonna give him muscle after he was brought in outta town to protect YOU is disrespectful at best & suspicious at worst.
Building towards their eventual breaking
“ I don’t give ah fuck about how he gon be man” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“It ain’t that part of it, it’s that other thing…” 😮💨favorite quote of the show. Loved how they referenced back to this scene when Marlo met with Avon to get the connect “the street is the street ,always”
Avon New something was up when he said brother Mouzon got shot up in his own apartment
I wonder if Beadie ever recognized Stringer at her next job at the office.
I don't know. Interesting question though.
How did they have this possible interaction? been a while since I last watched it
Thanks, pretty much this.
oh yeah i completely forgot they were both in the office haha its been a while since I watched either I guess
Good one😂😂😂👏🏾
Its that other thing String
Brian McNeil You want it to be one way.
Michael Jordan
I'm not stepping to you Son,...I'm right here lol
Michael Jordan But it's the other way
I ain't stepping tewwwww. But I am a man.
@@thatpart *AM HERE!*
And then later winds up in an abandoned lot
The beginning of the end for mr. Bell
nah the beginning of the end was when he sent omar on mouzone. or maybe you can say making the deal with prop joe behind avon's back was the beginning of the end. because when avon heard of prop joe's men in the towers, he had no idea that stringer made a deal with joe for that which is why he sent mouzone to the towers to take out prop joe's guys, and then stringer sent omar to take out prop joe.
This when stringer knew he was a dead man. SMH way over his head
1:09 That's the look your mom gives you when you ask her why you can't eat ice cream for breakfast.
Avon knew Mouzone was going to kill stringer. He was upset about him asking why.
Stringer was so much better as a 2nd in command than an acting boss, when he became acting boss avon literally came home to a shit storm lmfao
"I don't give a fuck how he gon be man" Avon was like why would we care anyway he just hired assassin.
Either way you aint got to be asking him shit!
String always playing them away games
Avon "it ain't that part of it, its that other thing"
Marlo "You want it to be one way.......but its the other way"
Avon was not happy
biut time this was posted... string getting told, fuck your buisness classes lol "its that other thing"... yeh remeber dude we drug dealers
Had Stringer known his place and the cops hadn't got him Avon would've wiped the streets with marlo
I reiterate Marlo really got insanely lucky with Avon getting arrested
Moments like this are when you realize that, in spite of all his ambition and business classes, Stringer just isn't as intelligent as Avon. At least as it pertains to the game, anyway.
If Alonzo Harris was briefing his squad on these 2 he would say String is intelligent but Avon "upped his street IQ and did the real damage out here"
"I dont give a fuck about how he gone be man" 😂
Avon and Rawl's... surrounded by incompetence.🤣🤣🤣
1:07 "Why?!" Avon was heated..
Stringer went against avon code avon always opposed against prop joe when it comes to territory not only that he sincerely hates the east side only love for the westside
That was the greatest “why” I've heard in telivision.
This an another example of how smart Avon was. Stringer gets credit for being the intellectual one. Yes he sees the big picture but he is was not smart enough for the streets or the downtown business men. Stringer was manipulating but not really street smart or business savy.
thad g If you watch through the series Avon was always schooling String mainly reminding him the game is NOT a game
Exactly. Another flaw in String's personality was that he mistakenly thought himself smarter than everyone else. His penchant for underestimating those around him eventually came back on him and led to his death.
I wouldn't say he thought he was smarter than everyone else. I think Avon was the exception to that. When Avon had something to say Stringer was all eyes and ears because he knew why Avon was the leader there are many times in the show where Avon schools Stringer like the Orlando situation and this scene here.
Not true. Stringer was definitely smart enough for the business world. Just because he got played by Davis doesn't mean he's not business savvy, lol. He was almost COMPLETELY clean by the time they finally got him to slip up on the wire. That's why McNulty was so adamant about catching him, because he knew this...
I see some similarities String has with Walter White in some aspects. Particularly the flaws both had in thinking that a rational (business) decision can ALWAYS correct a criminal (hell, even a human) problem.
Neither put enough stock in the importance of maintaining your organization's rep, or the necessity of violence to enforce said rep.
Gosh, the tone-deafness of Stringer in this scene..."every market based business moves in cycles"...goes to show you that his self-proclaimed "business mind" was anything but. That wasn't an insightful remark by him. It was a regurgitation of the notes he took in his Econ lecture.
As much as one can make the polar opposite critique of Avon (the anti-intellectual tendencies, the warped ethics and so on), he very clearly comes out of this scene looking like the smartest guy in the room more so than String.
Because Avon was the smartest, in the room. At least, as far as street smarts went. Stringer though he could control Marlo with money and territory, yet from the very beginning, Avon told Stringer what Marlo was all about, which was his name and the power, money and territory wasn’t going to satisfy Marlo and he needed to be clipped, early, and that there will always be other guys just like Marlo, in the game. Stringer didn’t get it. In another instance, Avon told Stringer straight up what was going to happen with Clay Davis and them, downtown, and it happened. Stringer got played. But it’s not like Stringer WASN’T right about things like investing in real estate and less about territory and dropping bodies to soften the attention on them. It’s just that Stringer wanted it both ways and rode the fence and tried to apply everything he learned in class in to street game but that’s not how it works. Not everything you learn in one game is going to work in another and Vice Versa. Difference being that Avon wasn’t all about the money, like Stringer. He was more about his respect and his face card and on top of that, he knew his role and what he did best at. Stringer didn’t know what his role was at all. He was all over the place and wanted one foot in the street game and one foot in business and you absolutely can’t do both. You’re either all in or all out. Stringer tried to bribe his way in the business game and then later was about to get guys killed, after he got played. Well...unless you’re one of the elites that run the entire world, then you can do whatever you want lol but Stringer was nowhere near that type of level and never was going to be.
How many times did you watch the wire while you did 20 fucking years in the can?
@@davidjamessheets i compromised.
No scraps in my scrapbook
Avon was trying to let him know that the drug game will always come with violence in some shape or form. Stringer thought he could just act like they were board members for a major company. Applying basic economic principles to selling heroin is laughable.
Calm down Phil. You know the wine makes you emotional
When Stringer asked Mouzone about who did it ,he made himself look guilty, and from there Avon knew that Mouzone would kill Stringer. That's why Avon was mad because he knew he couldn't clean it up, or it would be hard to do so.
Stringer did good hiding til Avon got out
U right it was just the fact he ask Brother who did it which still made it look bad on them
it's kinda like if Mayweather lose a fight u walk up to him n be like why u ain't knock that dude out like he did you
+Lavon Rawls 👍👍👍
godz2010 Funny thing Stringer already knew that Omar shot brother mouzone since it was stringer who lied on brother mouzone to omar and told Omar to go after mouzone in retaliation for Brandon.
Brilliant acting.
Watching this show for the first time I remember thinking this the moment where Stringer decided he was definitely going to have Avon assassinated in jail and take over the entire business for himself.
Brett Bewley Stringer wouldn’t have killed Avon, although I thought the same thing the first time I watched it. But after a rewatch, I don’t think Stringer would’ve tried to kill his great friend. I don’t think anyone would’ve tried to kill Avon in prison. At least nobody Stringer knew. Avon was very protected in there.
There is a reason why Kevin Gates says in his song Great Man "Runnin the raw like a Barksdale" and not a Stringer Bell lol. Avon was always the smarter and most loyal of the two
If they hadn't grown together he would have had stringer marked sooner.
2:22 Avon really did not want to give him daps..
Damn why tf was this show sooo goood!!
Best show of all time
Almost. Mad Men is number one.
@steveetienne very funny. Mad Men is awesome but it's not close. Mad Men is like 6 or 7 on the all time list though
you asked who did it? WHYYYY!
you asked him who it was? why!!?? lol
HAHAHA I kept rewinding that part
Ive always done the same. So incredulous ...its perfect.
*axed
@40 Phil P no Emmys the black to white ratio. It's always Sunny in Philadelphia explains why
String Why what
" in his own goddamned room?" Avon ? str8t ganksta.
2:27 your cat asking for a treat
2:31 your cat when you pretend to give them a treat and walk off
I think Avon was more disappointed in String for not holding shit down the way he wanted it. Avon didn’t care about the money as much as the respect String did. Marlo saw his opportunity during that time because Avon crew were looking weak like he knew would happen.
Avon was stupid to care more about having the respect of gangbanger nobodies on the street than he did about money. Stringer had the right idea for him and Avon to take the heat off themselves and put their money into more legitimate fronts. let the lower level guys in your organization take all the risk. the core idea behind Stringer's mindset was smart, but the way he tried to put that plan into action was botched by his own arrogance and sloppiness at almost every turn
@@chrislove5651 they both didn’t stand together like they should’ve. String was playing away games and got bombed. Avon was running shit hot caused by respect. It was just a shit storm that was bound to happen
Ayo this reminds me of State Property 2 when D-Nice went to see Beans 😂😂😂
Ro Kaine We had a PARTY!
Cuz i hate to say it. But.. Im proud of yall...STOP FUCKIN PARTYIN
My absolute favorite scene of the entire series... Avon The 👑
Stringer really tried to talk about business cycles 🤣🤣🤣. Don't get me wrong, his little community college education definitely helped with the business structure of the game, but when it comes down to it, the streets really are the streets. You can't apply legal rules to an illegal business.
I swear 🤣🤣🤣 String just didn’t get the game side of things till it was clearly too late
Studying Economics, or if you preferred it, Political Economics, is not just about business. Stringer was even reading Adam Smith, a classic in Economics. The reason why Stringer failed was because he was a wannabe. At the end of the day, The Game doesn't escape to the logic of capitalism, is just another form of it.
@bboynava1812 yeah, he knew a little of both, but couldn't master, nor was willing to stick to one. It was shown that he was willing to go full legit, but his card was pulled when Clay got over on him. He then wanted to use his connects to the streets to settle Wall Street conflicts. That gave him a reality check, because if he was all business from the sandbox, he would've never gone to the streets for solutions and vice versa. Even Avon told him he should handle Clay business-like (mockingly🥴)
Stringer says "Why what??" like a lady friend that's about to get loud.
Stringer: "Us"
Avon: 😐......"Us"
Stringer: 🙄
LOL The "WHY??" at 1:07
I always wonder how this could have turned out so differently if Stringer had stood up to Avon from the start instead of getting fancy about this. He should have just said right away "it doesn't matter how much muscle we have, out product is shit, everybody knows it's shit, and no amount of muscle can fix that. Unless we fix our product, and soon, we could lose everything by the time you get home." But String didn't play it that way, and after successfully scheming to get rid of D'Angelo, he overconfidently thought he could pull this off too. Plus, he was always a vice president, even with Avon in prison. It's Avon's organization, and String wasn't willing to directly challenge that balance of power.
silverwheel that was Stringer's problem. He was NEVER direct with his shit. He had too many snake-like tendencies.
The problem is that Avon was born in the game. His family was known and had connections. Stringer was just his childhood friend but Avon father was an OG. So Avon was always going to be the head of the family.
Sentinel HDD Avon understood the streets much better than stringer though.Avon saw that Marlo could be a problem the first time he heard about him and he was right.Stringer wanted to give up the corners since the Barksdales still had the projects and the best heroin but Avon knew that his organization couldn't just give up prime real estate and let their soldiers get harassed by an upstart.Also Avon would've won that war if stringer hadn't snitched.
silverwheel Agreed.Still stringer was wrong.I feel like if Avon had won the war with Marlo and kept his corners he could've convinced the co-op to supply him with drugs again.Getting drugs is SO much easier than getting corners which is why Avon was right in going after Marlo.
Prop Joe was the ultimate undoing of the Barksdales. He manipulated Stringer into that mindset to give up corners for the good dope. But think? Why did Prop Joe need their towers if it’s all about having the products?? Prop Joe contradicted himself to Stringer Bell and he was too naive to see it.
Yes you need good dope to sell or you will have no customers. You also need real estate. Having good dope means shit if you nowhere to sell it. That’s what Avon and Slim Charles tried to tell Stringer. When Slim said it, his response was “I will worry about that when it happens” meaning he would be fucked. You gave up all your territory… what if Prop Joe says, I don’t want to sell to you no more? What if nobody wants to buy from them? What if Joe undercuts them and sell to their customers for cheaper? Or better yet what Marlo did. He came and took all their prime territory & refused to buy their package.
Prop Joe was trying to weaken their organization and it worked. Avon knew having no territory is just as bad as having no product
Noticed the delay in the fist bump, Avon was pi**ed
Stringer just was never cut out for that street shit.
zlistcelebrity yes he was he just had delusions about escaping and that was the end of him.
lol you are an idiot, stringer not cut out for that street sh!T? stringer is a stone cold killer, you dont get to his position without putting in work, think before you speak.
Mature Gaming Channel you basically are the idiot watch the show avon mocked string for never killing anyone only person who he ever got killed was D string was Never cut out he even shared the towers with prop joe and cheese after avon told him to go to war with them
fail, you lose try again you herb LOL HAHAHAH
Yes he was. He came from the streets.
His problem that he thought of himself as a legitimate businessman and that thinking ruled his entire thought process.
Wood Harris is so underrated, great actor
Avon new stringer did it, dats y he was so pissed, cuz he knew it was over for string, wen he askd who did it, new he couldn't get stringer out of it after dat.
No he didn't know bell did it
that convo wouldve went a little different
1:46 - "Alwayzsh."
1:34"String!' 'This ain't about your motherf***ing business class either.' 'Its ain't that part of it.' 'Its that other thing.' 'THE STREET IS THE STREET!'
ALWAYS." _ Avon
RIP Nipsey Hussle.🙏
Why you bring Nipsey to this ??? If you missed him go and joint him up there.
the streets is the streets ..ALWAYZ